WEBVTT - Psychopathy 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:03.480 Previously on Happy Face. 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.360 Meeting Melissa's mom in person, I was really taken aback 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:11.320 by the fact that they don't look alike. She absolutely 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:12.040 looks like her. 0:00:11.960 --> 0:00:15.159 Father, Keith Fell in high school. I believe it was 0:00:15.200 --> 0:00:19.959 twenty five feet when they interview killers. They have found 0:00:19.960 --> 0:00:22.840 that a large percentage of them damaged their frontal lobe 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:25.959 before they were twenty two, changes their whole personality. 0:00:27.280 --> 0:00:29.600 I went back to my truck and rehearsed the lies 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:32.480 I planned to tell when I was arrested. What made 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:36.720 me cross the line into murder? Maybe it was my nature. 0:00:38.360 --> 0:00:40.760 There was just this thing that people said in the family. 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:43.680 They would say, Oh, that's just Keith, That's just how 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:46.839 Keith is, and it seemed to be acceptable. 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:49.360 Did you feel you're in control? 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:50.159 Did you just. 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:51.920 Lose it with his soliders lost? 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:53.600 I didn't. 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:55.440 I don't think they had anything to do with control 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:57.680 and just had paybacks a bitch, you know. 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.280 And I just grabbed him start wailing. Of course, I 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:02.160 didn't know him to stop. 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:02.560 Now. 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:03.680 I was going to beat him to death. 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:06.200 I'm scared I look like him. 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:08.679 I came from here, That's okay. 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:10.399 My heart is so turned off. 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:13.120 I'm afraid I've built like him. 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:23.600 In the vies with the sun. I don't know, shine oh. 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:38.600 Oh, I threw. The worst case scenario about tomorrow when 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:41.160 I meet with doctor Fallon is that I'm going to 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:48.080 find out that biologically my brain is wired exactly the 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:48.960 same as my dad. 0:01:55.720 --> 0:01:59.920 Melissa's deepest fear is that somewhere in the threads of 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:04.600 her DNA are the same miswired strands that eventually led 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:10.640 her father to kill I'm Lauren brag Pacheco, and this 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:11.960 is happy face. 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:25.160 I'm prepared for both ways that it will like. I 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:28.880 know I'm a flawed human being. I know that I 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:33.360 sometimes can get narcissistic like everybody else. I know sometimes 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:36.360 I can be selfish like everybody else. I know that 0:02:36.480 --> 0:02:40.160 sometimes I forget to say the right thing to someone, 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.839 or to offer the hug when they needed it. I 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.640 know that sometimes I laugh at inappropriate things at the 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:54.480 inappropriate time. I know sometimes I can be insensitive. I 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.680 know that, but that's not all the time. And I 0:02:57.720 --> 0:02:59.880 know I'm not a bad person. And I can see 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:03.360 that other people are flawed too and make mistakes to 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:07.880 and that's what makes me give some comfort. Then maybe 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:11.400 I'm not a psychopath. Is that all of these things 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:15.760 that I've been looking for are just common traits amongst 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:20.040 us all. Maybe I'm just as flawed as everybody. 0:03:20.080 --> 0:03:24.280 Even if you are, you're going to realize that it 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:27.880 doesn't change any of those things. You're a good person. 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:31.640 You would never do what your father's done, and you 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:40.880 could never be what he is. Last week, Melissa had 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:43.280 a pet scan to determine if her brain had the 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:49.080 neurological markers associated with psychopathy. 0:03:49.720 --> 0:03:52.880 Today is a really big day for me. It's a 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:53.760 moment that. 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.440 I am coming face to face with something I've been 0:03:58.520 --> 0:03:59.960 running away from. 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:00.800 Learning about. 0:04:01.440 --> 0:04:05.680 A hard time sleeping last night, because today I find 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:10.960 out if my worst fears and insecurities are true. My 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:14.200 dad and I had a very close relationship, almost a 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:19.880 psychic connection, and it makes me wonder if my connection 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.520 with my dad was because our brains are similar, or 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.719 our makeup is similar, if I'm capable of being like 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:30.200 my dad, But I don't know. Maybe doctor Felon can 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.760 explain to me the difference between the brain of a 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:36.000 serial killer and the brain of a psychopath. Maybe they're different, 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:38.320 but in my mind right now, they're one and the same, 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:39.560 and I'm nervous about that. 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:41.560 Are you ready to face it today? 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:48.000 I think that in the past I wasn't in a 0:04:48.040 --> 0:04:51.080 space where I could accept the results. I feel so 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.880 much more secure with who I am. I feel like 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:57.720 with Don's acceptance of who I am and knowing that 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.800 my heart is different than if my brain does prove 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.640 to be similar to my father, that at least my 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:08.560 heart is different. I'm actually you know, when I think 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.680 of the word psychopath, I think of someone who is 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:16.240 a killer, someone who's cold hearted, someone who is evil, 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:23.360 And maybe that term is the problem. 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:27.680 Melissa's definition of a psychopath is a description of her father. 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.360 Keith's definition, however, differs. 0:05:32.920 --> 0:05:36.840 I want to know what happens in prison's mind from 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:38.919 point to point in their life. 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:43.200 I don't think person who's psychopath all their life? Yeah, no, No, 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:46.279 I think it's it's something they grow into. Yeah, And 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.200 it's a behavior pattern they grow into, and it's not 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:52.640 a It's like we live normal lives up to a 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:54.599 point and we make that conscious decision to go a 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.800 certain way, and then it's like watching Planet of the Age, 0:05:57.839 --> 0:05:59.960 everything goes different directions. You don't turn right or turn 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:01.640 possibilities around it. 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:10.240 What's going through your head right now? Do you know 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:11.039 what to expect. 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:15.360 The doctor has my brain scans, and maybe I find 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:17.200 out that I am a psychopath, or maybe I find 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:19.200 out I have a brain tumor, or maybe I might 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:20.880 have a perfectly healthy brain. 0:06:21.240 --> 0:06:21.720 I don't know. 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:26.359 I could be walking into anything actually today, but. 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:28.880 I think knowing is better than not knowing. 0:06:29.360 --> 0:06:30.200 Why does it matter? 0:06:31.120 --> 0:06:33.080 What do you hope you're going to gain from today? 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.200 For me, why it matters is for a lot of people, 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:39.640 I feel like I've been under a microscope and I 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:43.760 really haven't had any tools to combat what they say. 0:06:44.640 --> 0:06:47.440 But at this point, I'm almost I really don't even 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:48.640 care what other people think. 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.359 This is for my self awareness. This is for me 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:56.760 to be able to know how I relate to the world. 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:05.200 Doctor James Fallen is a neuroscientist and professor of psychiatry 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:09.400 and human behavior at the University of California Irvine School 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:12.800 of Medicine. I had first read about him years ago 0:07:12.880 --> 0:07:16.920 in a fascinating article in The Atlantic titled Life as 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:20.560 a Non Violent Psychopath. In it, he shares his own 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:25.920 incredible experience of accidentally discovering he possessed the brain imaging 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:30.440 pattern and genetic makeup of a full blown psychopath while 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:35.840 conducting unrelated research, and how that knowledge impacted his life 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:40.280 and relationships. When Melissa shared her fears with me about 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:44.240 her own potential psychopathy, I immediately reached out to Fallin. 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:47.600 I felt if anyone could walk Melissa through her pet 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:51.520 scan and her results, doctor Fallen would be the perfect 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:52.680 person for the job. 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:55.760 Allen, Hi, how you go? 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:56.520 Cat you out? 0:07:56.880 --> 0:08:00.000 Nice to meet you, Marrick, Kay, great, thank you. 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:03.080 So this is our house. 0:08:04.040 --> 0:08:08.400 Doctor Fallon's house was bright and cheerful. The exterior was 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:12.840 surrounded by colorful, well tended plants and flowers, and the 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:17.120 inside was filled with family photos and art, he explained 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:21.600 was mostly created by various family members. It felt like 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:23.320 a welcoming, creative place. 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:26.640 This is my lab, yeah, because I do analysis. We 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:29.840 play experiments here. So anyway, there's where we live. And 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.000 I was just looking at some of the slides. Just 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.320 got your slides, you know, your pet scan? 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:38.760 Did you imagine that I'm nervous? Well, I don't know 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:40.480 what you know about my background. 0:08:40.679 --> 0:08:43.520 I know who your dad is, certainly, but I don't 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:44.559 know much about you. 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:46.960 And I didn't want to know too much about you, 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:48.720 you know, I just because I didn't want to. 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:51.080 I didn't want to look at the scan with some 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.839 idea of who you were. Okay, that's the idea. The 0:08:53.920 --> 0:08:55.679 less I know going in the better. Okay. 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:01.400 Okay again, because doctor Fallon's own brain exhibits indicators of psychopathy, 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:05.480 we felt he had the ideal insight and expertise to 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:10.360 help Melissa navigate and process her PET scan results. Regardless 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:11.440 of what they revealed. 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:16.040 The behaviors are not in themselves evil. It's the context 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.560 that we consider making him evil, and that context is 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.880 defined differently in different societies. All societies are not the same, 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:26.800 So no absolute behaviors are good and bad for these things. 0:09:27.559 --> 0:09:29.640 So it's not just the genes you have, because I 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:33.240 mean I inherited all these psychopath related genes. 0:09:33.320 --> 0:09:34.600 I don't have much anxiety. 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.160 If I'm caught by somebody doing something, I can look 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:39.480 them in the face and they go, he's completely innocent. 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:41.120 So you can inherit them. 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:44.480 But if you've been treated okay, and especially with love, 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.760 it kind of negates that effect. All you do is 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:52.960 become assertive. Low anxiety kind of up all the time. 0:09:53.120 --> 0:09:54.960 You could be glib and all this stuff like that 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.120 you can sell like a salesman, but it comes across 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:58.600 as an earnest in an earnest way. 0:09:58.760 --> 0:09:59.920 So are you a psychopath? 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:04.400 I'm not a categorical psychopath. I mean I've been analyzed. 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:08.839 I've been psychiatrically analyzed. And one of the interesting reads 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.240 I was looking at, you know, one of the diagnoses, 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.480 and it was basically the summary is that here's someone 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.760 who has all the thoughts and urges and dreams and 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:20.680 everything that a full blown psychopath has, but he never 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:21.839 acts them out. 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:23.600 Now, I wouldn't have known that. 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.920 I thought everybody was having these thoughts and really crazy 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.520 intense scared the hell out of people with them. I 0:10:29.559 --> 0:10:31.560 always assumed because it was in my head everybody was 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:34.199 thinking this way, and they're not. The difference is that 0:10:34.240 --> 0:10:36.200 I never act him out. I mean, I got absolutely 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:39.240 clean record, and I got a family. I'm still dating 0:10:39.280 --> 0:10:41.280 the girl I dated at twelve years old. We were 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.640 both twelve, and we've been married forever, and I've had 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.120 a really great job forever, and I have kids and 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.360 grandkids and I've a normal family life. But somehow, and 0:10:50.760 --> 0:10:54.000 two of the psychiatrists couldn't figure out why I was 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.320 not like a really bad guy because I have all 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:59.439 these other the genetics, the brain pattern and some of 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.199 the traits by and I just don't act the bad 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:04.240 stuff out. I'm a wonderful guy. 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:04.960 I feel like I'm. 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:07.120 Relating to you right now because I feel like I'm 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:07.760 a great girl. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:09.240 I feel like I'm a great person. 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:11.319 Oh yeah, I think I'm terrific. 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.679 And it's not that I don't have faults, but overall, 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:15.880 I said, who wouldn't like to be around me? 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:17.520 You know? It's like I was up grade. 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:21.400 I was like, and so I asked started with my 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:23.240 wife and I asked her, I said, you got to 0:11:23.280 --> 0:11:25.080 tell me, now, really, what do you think of me? 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:26.880 I mean, tell me I'm not going to get mad 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:30.120 or anything. And I did that with my mother, my brothers, 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:31.800 my sister, my kids. 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:34.960 A bravery to hear what people really because I didn't 0:11:34.960 --> 0:11:35.400 really care. 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:37.120 I mean, you know, for me, it was part of 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:40.200 the way it is. I just was interested. I being 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:43.040 a scientist, you're able to say, I'm just scientists. Yeah, 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:44.880 And they all told me the same thing. They said, 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:47.880 you do really psychopathic things and you don't even realize it. 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:49.400 Did they give you examples? 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:52.840 Oh yeah, yeah, in great detail. I put people at 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:56.000 risk for the fun of it. And it's not like 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.360 strangers need to worry about me, But if you become 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.680 close to me, you gotta worry because I'll get you 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.200 to do something. I'm the person that runs with the 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:04.840 bulls and tries to get you to run with me. 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:08.480 That's not psychopathic, but I do it all the time, 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:11.440 and I put my people close to me and friends 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.440 at risk. I lived in East Africa and I went 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:16.520 trout fishing, brought my son, and I brought them into 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.000 a place I knew the werelions, and I said, there's 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:20.840 only a five percent chance we're going to get attacked, 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:22.559 But isn't it going to be fun? So I was, 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:25.319 I'm trying to kill them, but it was for the thrill. 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.960 So having the genes per se is not the death sentence. 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:32.920 What happens early to regulate those genes, which is fixed. 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:35.080 Is the problem is people always want to know what 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:39.680 percent of our behavior is determined by genes nature and 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:43.080 how much is by environment nurture. And it's almost the 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.439 wrong way to ask the question, as it turns out. 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:49.440 And so the idea is, if you have the genes, 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.400 if the gun is loaded with those alleles that tend 0:12:53.559 --> 0:12:57.200 to give you those traits, and your abuse that fixes 0:12:57.240 --> 0:12:59.960 those and in that case, the environment means everything. 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.680 So in my dad's case, he had the genes and 0:13:03.800 --> 0:13:04.720 had the environment. 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:05.000 Yeah. 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:08.680 I mean this is almost every dictator, you know, really 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.440 aggressive dictator, and every serial killer I looked that I 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:16.679 you know, could find as much information were abused early 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.680 and they had in their family these traits. The only 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:23.640 one who claims he was never abused was Polpot. He 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:25.280 was the only one. I don't believe him. I think 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:26.960 you know a lot of sometimes they lie. 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:30.439 I'm learning about that with my dad. That through this journey. 0:13:31.120 --> 0:13:34.400 What has been unique about my dad is that he 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.280 says one thing and what he does is another thing. 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:38.320 But he's so believable and what he says that people 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:39.280 don't look at what he does. 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:39.679 That's it. 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.320 That's and being raised with that, like I only saw 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.400 what he did and believed him too. And so as 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:47.280 I've been going on this journey, I've been figuring out 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:49.720 that it's not what he says that is what he does, 0:13:50.160 --> 0:13:52.560 but it's exactly what you just said is how he said. 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:54.960 It was just so matter of fact and straight face 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:56.640 that you just don't even I guess, well. 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:58.640 This is the charm of it. This is real. 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:02.480 A psychopaths or people, well even narcissistic personality disorder can 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:06.239 do it with such earnestness and glibness and no anxiety. 0:14:06.480 --> 0:14:10.080 You absolutely believe them. You believe them before you believe anybody. 0:14:10.120 --> 0:14:13.240 And that's what makes it so pernicious and insidious. You know, 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:17.160 in fact, they you know, a real psychopath doesn't really 0:14:17.200 --> 0:14:18.320 believe what they're doing is bad. 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:22.160 It's kind of just whereas a sociopath knows what they're 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:22.920 doing is wrong. 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:24.120 Oh there's a difference. 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.320 Yeah, yeah, well everybody's got a different definition. But then 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:29.360 usually people and going they're kind of the same. They're not, 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:33.440 you know, a real psychopath, we call a primary psychopath. 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.200 And these are the ones that are clinically psychopaths that 0:14:36.520 --> 0:14:41.920 have no moral reasoning, have no guilt, they have no remorse. 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:46.080 So what makes the personality disorders so different than other 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:50.160 psychiatric disorders is that people don't know what they're doing 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.440 is wrong or different. And I'll give you an example. 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:56.800 We all know somebody who is obsessive and compulsive. In fact, 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:00.600 a bunch of people have OCD obsessive compulsive disorder. But 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:04.880 there are people with OCDPD, the personality disorder variant of this, 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:09.480 so they have obsessive compulsive personality disorder. The people with 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.160 OCD doing the crazy things every time they walk by 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:13.640 the three times and they skip over. 0:15:13.800 --> 0:15:15.720 They know what they're doing is crazy, but they can't 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:16.120 stop it. 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:20.120 Okay, The people with OCDPD the percentage disorder, thinks what 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:24.720 they're doing is perfectly okay and good and works. Big difference, right, So, 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:28.800 superficially the behaviors are the same, but what happens inside 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:31.680 and how they're generating what they mean are completely different. Now, 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:35.640 somebody with sociopathy like we're talking about, which it's called 0:15:35.640 --> 0:15:39.280 the secondary psychopath, they know what they're doing is wrong. 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:41.440 They do have remorse, they do have guilt, they do 0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:44.800 have anxiety, but they're still driven to do those behaviors. 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:47.920 So both the psychopath and a sociopath can do the 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:51.160 exact same thing, murder, rape, and everything, different reasons, and 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:53.800 a lot of times the psychopath does it for fun. 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:57.440 It's game. It's just manipulation. They're playing a game with things, 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:00.760 whereas a sociopath a lot of time could be the loser, 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.600 who's getting even with all the women of the world 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.040 or all the athletes of the world, were all you know, 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:07.560 all the blondes in the world, and it. 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:08.320 Goes on and on and on. 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:11.760 There's always but those people can be maybe not wired 0:16:11.920 --> 0:16:16.320 genetically for psychopathy, but they were like bullied when they're eight, nine, 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:16.960 ten years old. 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:18.440 A lot of times these are bullied people. 0:16:19.120 --> 0:16:21.680 But if you are wired for it and you're bullied, 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:23.000 I mean, it's just terrible. 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.440 See will my father beat me? I wondered what he 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:32.480 was feeling when he beat me? Like what was there 0:16:32.840 --> 0:16:37.040 so gratifying to him to beat the shit out of 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.720 me and then send me to bed like nothing happened, 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:43.960 and then go back in and do what he wanted 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.160 to do with mom or whatever, or just go on 0:16:46.240 --> 0:16:49.080 with life, and then the next day like nothing happens. 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:50.160 He's okay. 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:54.000 Now when I'm killing my victim, I'm sitting there going like, now, 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.280 is this what my father felt when he beat the 0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.680 shit out of me? Is this the feeling he got? 0:16:59.000 --> 0:16:59.080 You? 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:00.920 Getting answered to that I already didn't. 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:19.399 The question remains, does trauma trigger violent psychopathy or is 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:20.640 it a domino effect? 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.679 The thing is there's so many of these what are 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:29.639 called cluster B personality disorders. These are the ones that 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:33.760 are dangerous to other people, like histrionic, these are people 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:37.200 that are always using sex to manipulate people and they're 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:43.720 really nasty be around. And also narcissistic personality disorder and psychopathy, 0:17:43.960 --> 0:17:47.120 and so for those, what you're doing is basically looking 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:49.960 at all these traits, ten fifteen to twenty traits, and 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.240 the standard thing is you take them. You score each 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:55.040 one of those traits from zero to two. Zero, let's 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:59.680 say zero narcissism one is kind of pretty narcissistic. Two 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.560 always narcissistic, like really bad. And you take all these 0:18:02.640 --> 0:18:04.919 numbers and add them up, and if it's above a threshold, 0:18:05.200 --> 0:18:08.879 like for psychopathy, it's above twenty eight or thirty, anything 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.240 from twenty eight thirty to forty, it's a full blown psychopath. 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:14.800 If you have a psychopath that's forty, you're talking about 0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:18.200 such a dangerous person. I've been tested and I'm not 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.960 really a psychopath because I'm not a full blown psychopath, 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.199 but I'm like right on the edge, you know, I 0:18:23.240 --> 0:18:26.359 score in the twenties every time. What I lack is 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:29.080 the criminality and the really anti social stuff. 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:30.879 I really have no interest in hurting people. 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:34.399 When I think of psychopath it seems to have a 0:18:34.480 --> 0:18:38.320 negative label. Sure, but is it actually a good thing 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.919 to have for is it possible it could be good? 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:44.879 Well, you know full blown psychopaths, you know the thirty 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:47.040 and above and a hair scale or on a number 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:50.160 of scales. It's kind of never a good thing because 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:51.960 a lot of times they never make. 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:53.640 It past their teens or twenties. 0:18:53.640 --> 0:18:56.280 They're in prison, and they can have a lot of 0:18:56.280 --> 0:19:00.840 disorganized behavior. But people who are borderline or pro socials 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:03.680 that are not quite clinically there a lot of those 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:08.360 traits are very very useful for navigating and becoming successful. 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:11.280 But there are the traits. One of the two main 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:16.600 groups of traits factors is called fearless dominance, and fearless 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.520 dominance is a bunch of traits, but it's basically the 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:21.680 person walks into the room and they got that light 0:19:21.680 --> 0:19:26.680 around him. People interpreted his charisma. They walk fearlessly. They'll 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:28.680 take chances, but they win. They know how to take 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:34.000 statistical scientific chances and win. But they'll take risks and 0:19:34.119 --> 0:19:37.320 they do quite well, and people sense it. People sense 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:40.080 it immediately, So they're very attracted to it. And so 0:19:40.119 --> 0:19:43.040 that's a major psychopathic trait. And if you look at 0:19:43.440 --> 0:19:46.840 the study of done of US presidents from George Washington 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.399 on those that scored the highest from their biographers and 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:53.399 knew all about them, the ones that scored highest and 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:59.280 fearless dominance. The top ones are like Teddy Roosevelt, JFK. 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:04.320 Bill Clinton. They're thought to have charisma and great abilities 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:08.199 as leaders, but they have the highest psychopathy ratings. So 0:20:08.480 --> 0:20:11.040 people are attracted to it. I mean, this is one 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:14.320 of the reasons why psychopathy is always with us, because 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:15.399 people are attracted to it. 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:16.960 These are people who will take chances. 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:19.560 You want that person on your side, so I don't 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:21.080 care if he's a bad ass. I want him to 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:23.680 be my badass. I want them to be my crook, 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:28.320 my thief, you know. And so the successive psychopaths, especially 0:20:28.359 --> 0:20:31.639 the pro social or borderline pro social psychopaths, is a 0:20:31.680 --> 0:20:35.080 reflection of people's own lack of morals, I think, because 0:20:35.119 --> 0:20:37.520 to win, they want them on their side, even though 0:20:37.520 --> 0:20:40.639 they know that they're probably going to do. It's like, 0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:42.360 don't tell me what you did, just win, you know. 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:46.600 Those traits are very much enjoyed and beloved by people. 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:49.600 So you said, what are you complaining about? But you know, 0:20:49.640 --> 0:20:51.200 if you want to find out if you're a psychopath, 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:53.840 you got to go talk to a psychologists psychiatrist who's 0:20:53.880 --> 0:20:55.800 an expert in personality disorders. 0:20:55.840 --> 0:20:56.520 There's no other way. 0:20:57.200 --> 0:21:00.280 But once you are found out to have something, then 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:02.320 we can use the brain scans and the genetics to 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:03.640 note why you're that way. 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:13.439 This puts you in another world because you see, people 0:21:14.520 --> 0:21:15.960 aren't expected to murder people. 0:21:17.040 --> 0:21:18.119