1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 1: Previously on Happy Face. 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 2: Meeting Melissa's mom in person, I was really taken aback 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 2: by the fact that they don't look alike. She absolutely 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 2: looks like her. 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,159 Speaker 3: Father, Keith Fell in high school. I believe it was 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:19,959 Speaker 3: twenty five feet when they interview killers. They have found 7 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 3: that a large percentage of them damaged their frontal lobe 8 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,959 Speaker 3: before they were twenty two, changes their whole personality. 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: I went back to my truck and rehearsed the lies 10 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,480 Speaker 1: I planned to tell when I was arrested. What made 11 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: me cross the line into murder? Maybe it was my nature. 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:40,760 Speaker 4: There was just this thing that people said in the family. 13 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 4: They would say, Oh, that's just Keith, That's just how 14 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 4: Keith is, and it seemed to be acceptable. 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 5: Did you feel you're in control? 16 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 6: Did you just. 17 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 7: Lose it with his soliders lost? 18 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 6: I didn't. 19 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 8: I don't think they had anything to do with control 20 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:57,680 Speaker 8: and just had paybacks a bitch, you know. 21 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 7: And I just grabbed him start wailing. Of course, I 22 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 7: didn't know him to stop. 23 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 9: Now. 24 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 7: I was going to beat him to death. 25 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 4: I'm scared I look like him. 26 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 7: I came from here, That's okay. 27 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 2: My heart is so turned off. 28 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 4: I'm afraid I've built like him. 29 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 9: In the vies with the sun. I don't know, shine oh. 30 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 4: Oh, I threw. The worst case scenario about tomorrow when 31 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 4: I meet with doctor Fallon is that I'm going to 32 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 4: find out that biologically my brain is wired exactly the 33 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 4: same as my dad. 34 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: Melissa's deepest fear is that somewhere in the threads of 35 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 2: her DNA are the same miswired strands that eventually led 36 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 2: her father to kill I'm Lauren brag Pacheco, and this 37 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 2: is happy face. 38 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 4: I'm prepared for both ways that it will like. I 39 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 4: know I'm a flawed human being. I know that I 40 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 4: sometimes can get narcissistic like everybody else. I know sometimes 41 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 4: I can be selfish like everybody else. I know that 42 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 4: sometimes I forget to say the right thing to someone, 43 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,839 Speaker 4: or to offer the hug when they needed it. I 44 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 4: know that sometimes I laugh at inappropriate things at the 45 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 4: inappropriate time. I know sometimes I can be insensitive. I 46 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 4: know that, but that's not all the time. And I 47 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 4: know I'm not a bad person. And I can see 48 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 4: that other people are flawed too and make mistakes to 49 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 4: and that's what makes me give some comfort. Then maybe 50 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 4: I'm not a psychopath. Is that all of these things 51 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 4: that I've been looking for are just common traits amongst 52 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 4: us all. Maybe I'm just as flawed as everybody. 53 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 2: Even if you are, you're going to realize that it 54 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 2: doesn't change any of those things. You're a good person. 55 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 2: You would never do what your father's done, and you 56 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: could never be what he is. Last week, Melissa had 57 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 2: a pet scan to determine if her brain had the 58 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: neurological markers associated with psychopathy. 59 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 4: Today is a really big day for me. It's a 60 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 4: moment that. 61 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 10: I am coming face to face with something I've been 62 00:03:58,520 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 10: running away from. 63 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 2: Learning about. 64 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 10: A hard time sleeping last night, because today I find 65 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 10: out if my worst fears and insecurities are true. My 66 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 10: dad and I had a very close relationship, almost a 67 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 10: psychic connection, and it makes me wonder if my connection 68 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 10: with my dad was because our brains are similar, or 69 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 10: our makeup is similar, if I'm capable of being like 70 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 10: my dad, But I don't know. Maybe doctor Felon can 71 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 10: explain to me the difference between the brain of a 72 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 10: serial killer and the brain of a psychopath. Maybe they're different, 73 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 10: but in my mind right now, they're one and the same, 74 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 10: and I'm nervous about that. 75 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 8: Are you ready to face it today? 76 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 10: I think that in the past I wasn't in a 77 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 10: space where I could accept the results. I feel so 78 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 10: much more secure with who I am. I feel like 79 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:57,720 Speaker 10: with Don's acceptance of who I am and knowing that 80 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 10: my heart is different than if my brain does prove 81 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 10: to be similar to my father, that at least my 82 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 10: heart is different. I'm actually you know, when I think 83 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 10: of the word psychopath, I think of someone who is 84 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 10: a killer, someone who's cold hearted, someone who is evil, 85 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 10: And maybe that term is the problem. 86 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: Melissa's definition of a psychopath is a description of her father. 87 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 2: Keith's definition, however, differs. 88 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 5: I want to know what happens in prison's mind from 89 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 5: point to point in their life. 90 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 6: I don't think person who's psychopath all their life? Yeah, no, No, 91 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 6: I think it's it's something they grow into. Yeah, And 92 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 6: it's a behavior pattern they grow into, and it's not 93 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 6: a It's like we live normal lives up to a 94 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 6: point and we make that conscious decision to go a 95 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 6: certain way, and then it's like watching Planet of the Age, 96 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 6: everything goes different directions. You don't turn right or turn 97 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 6: possibilities around it. 98 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 4: What's going through your head right now? Do you know 99 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:11,039 Speaker 4: what to expect. 100 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 10: The doctor has my brain scans, and maybe I find 101 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 10: out that I am a psychopath, or maybe I find 102 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 10: out I have a brain tumor, or maybe I might 103 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 10: have a perfectly healthy brain. 104 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:21,720 Speaker 7: I don't know. 105 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 10: I could be walking into anything actually today, but. 106 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 4: I think knowing is better than not knowing. 107 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 7: Why does it matter? 108 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: What do you hope you're going to gain from today? 109 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 4: For me, why it matters is for a lot of people, 110 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 4: I feel like I've been under a microscope and I 111 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 4: really haven't had any tools to combat what they say. 112 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 4: But at this point, I'm almost I really don't even 113 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 4: care what other people think. 114 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 10: This is for my self awareness. This is for me 115 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 10: to be able to know how I relate to the world. 116 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 2: Doctor James Fallen is a neuroscientist and professor of psychiatry 117 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: and human behavior at the University of California Irvine School 118 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 2: of Medicine. I had first read about him years ago 119 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: in a fascinating article in The Atlantic titled Life as 120 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 2: a Non Violent Psychopath. In it, he shares his own 121 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: incredible experience of accidentally discovering he possessed the brain imaging 122 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 2: pattern and genetic makeup of a full blown psychopath while 123 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: conducting unrelated research, and how that knowledge impacted his life 124 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: and relationships. When Melissa shared her fears with me about 125 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 2: her own potential psychopathy, I immediately reached out to Fallin. 126 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 2: I felt if anyone could walk Melissa through her pet 127 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: scan and her results, doctor Fallen would be the perfect 128 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: person for the job. 129 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 9: Allen, Hi, how you go? 130 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 7: Cat you out? 131 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 4: Nice to meet you, Marrick, Kay, great, thank you. 132 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 7: So this is our house. 133 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: Doctor Fallon's house was bright and cheerful. The exterior was 134 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 2: surrounded by colorful, well tended plants and flowers, and the 135 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: inside was filled with family photos and art, he explained 136 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 2: was mostly created by various family members. It felt like 137 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 2: a welcoming, creative place. 138 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 5: This is my lab, yeah, because I do analysis. We 139 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 5: play experiments here. So anyway, there's where we live. And 140 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 5: I was just looking at some of the slides. Just 141 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 5: got your slides, you know, your pet scan? 142 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 4: Did you imagine that I'm nervous? Well, I don't know 143 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 4: what you know about my background. 144 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 7: I know who your dad is, certainly, but I don't 145 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 7: know much about you. 146 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 5: And I didn't want to know too much about you, 147 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 5: you know, I just because I didn't want to. 148 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 7: I didn't want to look at the scan with some 149 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 7: idea of who you were. Okay, that's the idea. The 150 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 7: less I know going in the better. Okay. 151 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 2: Okay again, because doctor Fallon's own brain exhibits indicators of psychopathy, 152 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: we felt he had the ideal insight and expertise to 153 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 2: help Melissa navigate and process her PET scan results. Regardless 154 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 2: of what they revealed. 155 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 5: The behaviors are not in themselves evil. It's the context 156 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 5: that we consider making him evil, and that context is 157 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 5: defined differently in different societies. All societies are not the same, 158 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 5: So no absolute behaviors are good and bad for these things. 159 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 5: So it's not just the genes you have, because I 160 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 5: mean I inherited all these psychopath related genes. 161 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 7: I don't have much anxiety. 162 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 5: If I'm caught by somebody doing something, I can look 163 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 5: them in the face and they go, he's completely innocent. 164 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 7: So you can inherit them. 165 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 5: But if you've been treated okay, and especially with love, 166 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 5: it kind of negates that effect. All you do is 167 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 5: become assertive. Low anxiety kind of up all the time. 168 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 5: You could be glib and all this stuff like that 169 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 5: you can sell like a salesman, but it comes across 170 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 5: as an earnest in an earnest way. 171 00:09:58,760 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 4: So are you a psychopath? 172 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 5: I'm not a categorical psychopath. I mean I've been analyzed. 173 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 5: I've been psychiatrically analyzed. And one of the interesting reads 174 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 5: I was looking at, you know, one of the diagnoses, 175 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 5: and it was basically the summary is that here's someone 176 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 5: who has all the thoughts and urges and dreams and 177 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 5: everything that a full blown psychopath has, but he never 178 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 5: acts them out. 179 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:23,600 Speaker 7: Now, I wouldn't have known that. 180 00:10:23,720 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 5: I thought everybody was having these thoughts and really crazy 181 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 5: intense scared the hell out of people with them. I 182 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 5: always assumed because it was in my head everybody was 183 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 5: thinking this way, and they're not. The difference is that 184 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 5: I never act him out. I mean, I got absolutely 185 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 5: clean record, and I got a family. I'm still dating 186 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 5: the girl I dated at twelve years old. We were 187 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 5: both twelve, and we've been married forever, and I've had 188 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 5: a really great job forever, and I have kids and 189 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 5: grandkids and I've a normal family life. But somehow, and 190 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 5: two of the psychiatrists couldn't figure out why I was 191 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 5: not like a really bad guy because I have all 192 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 5: these other the genetics, the brain pattern and some of 193 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,199 Speaker 5: the traits by and I just don't act the bad 194 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 5: stuff out. I'm a wonderful guy. 195 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 4: I feel like I'm. 196 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 10: Relating to you right now because I feel like I'm 197 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 10: a great girl. 198 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 4: I feel like I'm a great person. 199 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, I think I'm terrific. 200 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 5: And it's not that I don't have faults, but overall, 201 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 5: I said, who wouldn't like to be around me? 202 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 7: You know? It's like I was up grade. 203 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 5: I was like, and so I asked started with my 204 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 5: wife and I asked her, I said, you got to 205 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,080 Speaker 5: tell me, now, really, what do you think of me? 206 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 5: I mean, tell me I'm not going to get mad 207 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 5: or anything. And I did that with my mother, my brothers, 208 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 5: my sister, my kids. 209 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 10: A bravery to hear what people really because I didn't 210 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 10: really care. 211 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, for me, it was part of 212 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 5: the way it is. I just was interested. I being 213 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 5: a scientist, you're able to say, I'm just scientists. Yeah, 214 00:11:43,080 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 5: And they all told me the same thing. They said, 215 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 5: you do really psychopathic things and you don't even realize it. 216 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 4: Did they give you examples? 217 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, in great detail. I put people at 218 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 5: risk for the fun of it. And it's not like 219 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 5: strangers need to worry about me, But if you become 220 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 5: close to me, you gotta worry because I'll get you 221 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 5: to do something. I'm the person that runs with the 222 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 5: bulls and tries to get you to run with me. 223 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 5: That's not psychopathic, but I do it all the time, 224 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 5: and I put my people close to me and friends 225 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 5: at risk. I lived in East Africa and I went 226 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 5: trout fishing, brought my son, and I brought them into 227 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 5: a place I knew the werelions, and I said, there's 228 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 5: only a five percent chance we're going to get attacked, 229 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 5: But isn't it going to be fun? So I was, 230 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 5: I'm trying to kill them, but it was for the thrill. 231 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 5: So having the genes per se is not the death sentence. 232 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 5: What happens early to regulate those genes, which is fixed. 233 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 5: Is the problem is people always want to know what 234 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 5: percent of our behavior is determined by genes nature and 235 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 5: how much is by environment nurture. And it's almost the 236 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 5: wrong way to ask the question, as it turns out. 237 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 5: And so the idea is, if you have the genes, 238 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 5: if the gun is loaded with those alleles that tend 239 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 5: to give you those traits, and your abuse that fixes 240 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,960 Speaker 5: those and in that case, the environment means everything. 241 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 4: So in my dad's case, he had the genes and 242 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 4: had the environment. 243 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 7: Yeah. 244 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 5: I mean this is almost every dictator, you know, really 245 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 5: aggressive dictator, and every serial killer I looked that I 246 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 5: you know, could find as much information were abused early 247 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 5: and they had in their family these traits. The only 248 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 5: one who claims he was never abused was Polpot. He 249 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 5: was the only one. I don't believe him. I think 250 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:26,960 Speaker 5: you know a lot of sometimes they lie. 251 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 4: I'm learning about that with my dad. That through this journey. 252 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 4: What has been unique about my dad is that he 253 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 4: says one thing and what he does is another thing. 254 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 4: But he's so believable and what he says that people 255 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 4: don't look at what he does. 256 00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 7: That's it. 257 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,320 Speaker 4: That's and being raised with that, like I only saw 258 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 4: what he did and believed him too. And so as 259 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 4: I've been going on this journey, I've been figuring out 260 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 4: that it's not what he says that is what he does, 261 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 4: but it's exactly what you just said is how he said. 262 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 4: It was just so matter of fact and straight face 263 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 4: that you just don't even I guess, well. 264 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 7: This is the charm of it. This is real. 265 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 5: A psychopaths or people, well even narcissistic personality disorder can 266 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:06,239 Speaker 5: do it with such earnestness and glibness and no anxiety. 267 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 5: You absolutely believe them. You believe them before you believe anybody. 268 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 5: And that's what makes it so pernicious and insidious. You know, 269 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 5: in fact, they you know, a real psychopath doesn't really 270 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:18,320 Speaker 5: believe what they're doing is bad. 271 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 7: It's kind of just whereas a sociopath knows what they're 272 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 7: doing is wrong. 273 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 4: Oh there's a difference. 274 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well everybody's got a different definition. But then 275 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 5: usually people and going they're kind of the same. They're not, 276 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 5: you know, a real psychopath, we call a primary psychopath. 277 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 5: And these are the ones that are clinically psychopaths that 278 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 5: have no moral reasoning, have no guilt, they have no remorse. 279 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 5: So what makes the personality disorders so different than other 280 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 5: psychiatric disorders is that people don't know what they're doing 281 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 5: is wrong or different. And I'll give you an example. 282 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 5: We all know somebody who is obsessive and compulsive. In fact, 283 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 5: a bunch of people have OCD obsessive compulsive disorder. But 284 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 5: there are people with OCDPD, the personality disorder variant of this, 285 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 5: so they have obsessive compulsive personality disorder. The people with 286 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 5: OCD doing the crazy things every time they walk by 287 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 5: the three times and they skip over. 288 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 7: They know what they're doing is crazy, but they can't 289 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 7: stop it. 290 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 5: Okay, The people with OCDPD the percentage disorder, thinks what 291 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 5: they're doing is perfectly okay and good and works. Big difference, right, So, 292 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,800 Speaker 5: superficially the behaviors are the same, but what happens inside 293 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 5: and how they're generating what they mean are completely different. Now, 294 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 5: somebody with sociopathy like we're talking about, which it's called 295 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 5: the secondary psychopath, they know what they're doing is wrong. 296 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 5: They do have remorse, they do have guilt, they do 297 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 5: have anxiety, but they're still driven to do those behaviors. 298 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 5: So both the psychopath and a sociopath can do the 299 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 5: exact same thing, murder, rape, and everything, different reasons, and 300 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 5: a lot of times the psychopath does it for fun. 301 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 5: It's game. It's just manipulation. They're playing a game with things, 302 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 5: whereas a sociopath a lot of time could be the loser, 303 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 5: who's getting even with all the women of the world 304 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 5: or all the athletes of the world, were all you know, 305 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 5: all the blondes in the world, and it. 306 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 7: Goes on and on and on. 307 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 5: There's always but those people can be maybe not wired 308 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 5: genetically for psychopathy, but they were like bullied when they're eight, nine, 309 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 5: ten years old. 310 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,440 Speaker 7: A lot of times these are bullied people. 311 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 5: But if you are wired for it and you're bullied, 312 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 5: I mean, it's just terrible. 313 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 8: See will my father beat me? I wondered what he 314 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 8: was feeling when he beat me? Like what was there 315 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 8: so gratifying to him to beat the shit out of 316 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 8: me and then send me to bed like nothing happened, 317 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 8: and then go back in and do what he wanted 318 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 8: to do with mom or whatever, or just go on 319 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 8: with life, and then the next day like nothing happens. 320 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 6: He's okay. 321 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 8: Now when I'm killing my victim, I'm sitting there going like, now, 322 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 8: is this what my father felt when he beat the 323 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 8: shit out of me? Is this the feeling he got? 324 00:16:59,000 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 9: You? 325 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 8: Getting answered to that I already didn't. 326 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 2: The question remains, does trauma trigger violent psychopathy or is 327 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:20,640 Speaker 2: it a domino effect? 328 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 5: The thing is there's so many of these what are 329 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 5: called cluster B personality disorders. These are the ones that 330 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 5: are dangerous to other people, like histrionic, these are people 331 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 5: that are always using sex to manipulate people and they're 332 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 5: really nasty be around. And also narcissistic personality disorder and psychopathy, 333 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 5: and so for those, what you're doing is basically looking 334 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 5: at all these traits, ten fifteen to twenty traits, and 335 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 5: the standard thing is you take them. You score each 336 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 5: one of those traits from zero to two. Zero, let's 337 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 5: say zero narcissism one is kind of pretty narcissistic. Two 338 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 5: always narcissistic, like really bad. And you take all these 339 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:04,919 Speaker 5: numbers and add them up, and if it's above a threshold, 340 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 5: like for psychopathy, it's above twenty eight or thirty, anything 341 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 5: from twenty eight thirty to forty, it's a full blown psychopath. 342 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 5: If you have a psychopath that's forty, you're talking about 343 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 5: such a dangerous person. I've been tested and I'm not 344 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:20,960 Speaker 5: really a psychopath because I'm not a full blown psychopath, 345 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,199 Speaker 5: but I'm like right on the edge, you know, I 346 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 5: score in the twenties every time. What I lack is 347 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 5: the criminality and the really anti social stuff. 348 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 7: I really have no interest in hurting people. 349 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 4: When I think of psychopath it seems to have a 350 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 4: negative label. Sure, but is it actually a good thing 351 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,919 Speaker 4: to have for is it possible it could be good? 352 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 5: Well, you know full blown psychopaths, you know the thirty 353 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 5: and above and a hair scale or on a number 354 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 5: of scales. It's kind of never a good thing because 355 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 5: a lot of times they never make. 356 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 7: It past their teens or twenties. 357 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 5: They're in prison, and they can have a lot of 358 00:18:56,280 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 5: disorganized behavior. But people who are borderline or pro socials 359 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 5: that are not quite clinically there a lot of those 360 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 5: traits are very very useful for navigating and becoming successful. 361 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 5: But there are the traits. One of the two main 362 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 5: groups of traits factors is called fearless dominance, and fearless 363 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 5: dominance is a bunch of traits, but it's basically the 364 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 5: person walks into the room and they got that light 365 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 5: around him. People interpreted his charisma. They walk fearlessly. They'll 366 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 5: take chances, but they win. They know how to take 367 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 5: statistical scientific chances and win. But they'll take risks and 368 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 5: they do quite well, and people sense it. People sense 369 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 5: it immediately, So they're very attracted to it. And so 370 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:43,040 Speaker 5: that's a major psychopathic trait. And if you look at 371 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 5: the study of done of US presidents from George Washington 372 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 5: on those that scored the highest from their biographers and 373 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,399 Speaker 5: knew all about them, the ones that scored highest and 374 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 5: fearless dominance. The top ones are like Teddy Roosevelt, JFK. 375 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 5: Bill Clinton. They're thought to have charisma and great abilities 376 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 5: as leaders, but they have the highest psychopathy ratings. So 377 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 5: people are attracted to it. I mean, this is one 378 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 5: of the reasons why psychopathy is always with us, because 379 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 5: people are attracted to it. 380 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 7: These are people who will take chances. 381 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 5: You want that person on your side, so I don't 382 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 5: care if he's a bad ass. I want him to 383 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 5: be my badass. I want them to be my crook, 384 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 5: my thief, you know. And so the successive psychopaths, especially 385 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 5: the pro social or borderline pro social psychopaths, is a 386 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 5: reflection of people's own lack of morals, I think, because 387 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 5: to win, they want them on their side, even though 388 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 5: they know that they're probably going to do. It's like, 389 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,360 Speaker 5: don't tell me what you did, just win, you know. 390 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:46,600 Speaker 5: Those traits are very much enjoyed and beloved by people. 391 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 5: So you said, what are you complaining about? But you know, 392 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,200 Speaker 5: if you want to find out if you're a psychopath, 393 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 5: you got to go talk to a psychologists psychiatrist who's 394 00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:55,800 Speaker 5: an expert in personality disorders. 395 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 7: There's no other way. 396 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 5: But once you are found out to have something, then 397 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 5: we can use the brain scans and the genetics to 398 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:03,640 Speaker 5: note why you're that way. 399 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,439 Speaker 8: This puts you in another world because you see, people 400 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 8: aren't expected to murder people. 401 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:18,119 Speaker 6: And when you murder. 402 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 8: Someone and you're you're you have their life in your hand, 403 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 8: you just think of no one else has been there 404 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 8: about you, and and think of all the all your feelings, 405 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 8: all your emotions put all on the one that the 406 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 8: hurt that you have, and the love that you have, 407 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 8: and joy and hate and just everything all your emotions 408 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 8: you could ever put together. 409 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 7: And that's what murder's like. 410 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 2: After Fallen was able to give an evolutionary and historical 411 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 2: ex explanation of psychopathy, Melissa was finally ready to face 412 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: and accept her results. 413 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 5: So I gave you this kind of a general like 414 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 5: how we do stuff, you know, look on the science 415 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 5: and the biological psychiatry of it. And so would you 416 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 5: like to know what I saw by looking at your scans? 417 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 10: I would love to I'm ready you sure, Yeah, I'm 418 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:21,879 Speaker 10: absolutely ready. 419 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. I think after talking with you, I now see 420 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 4: that it might not necessarily be a bad thing. 421 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 5: But I'm just curious now, I'm just I want to 422 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 5: know such a psychopathy can be a very useful thing, 423 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 5: and it does make it criminal or bad, but you 424 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 5: can still be a pain. 425 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 7: And he has to be around. 426 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 5: With some of these, right, I mean really can, So 427 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 5: you got to be then You've got to expect that 428 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 5: from people. 429 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 4: Okay, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'll follow you. 430 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: Doctor Fallon's office was filled with eclectic art he'd gathered 431 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 2: during his trap or was given over the years. It 432 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 2: also showcased some of his own signature paintings, which tended 433 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 2: to involve some very interesting and more than slightly disturbing 434 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: depictions of clowns, demented looking clowns. 435 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,640 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, So there's many ways to get a pet 436 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 5: scan or a functional MRI. You can get a cat 437 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 5: scan or a regular MRI that just looks at the anatomy. 438 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 5: But this is then looking at the function. That's the 439 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 5: main thing. The task that you did. We could have 440 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 5: you do other tasks that test your empathy before you 441 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 5: go in there for a PET scan or while you're 442 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 5: doing it for fMRI. You can be looking at a 443 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,600 Speaker 5: mix of images of things that in normal people provoke 444 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 5: emotional empathy versus cognitive empathy. You could go through different 445 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 5: kinds of scans that probe different circuits in your brain. 446 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,800 Speaker 5: Then we can compare it to normal people and full 447 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 5: blown psychopaths. And really to fully do it, you have 448 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 5: to do all these different scans. That's why it's hard 449 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 5: for people, the average person to do it because it 450 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 5: becomes expensive and you got to get into a pipeline 451 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,880 Speaker 5: and research hospital pipeline. 452 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 7: But at any rate, you had it done. 453 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 5: And so you had the basic PET scan and you 454 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 5: didn't have a task, that is, you didn't have to 455 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 5: look at scary pictures and discussing things. 456 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 7: You were just told to. 457 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 4: What close my eyes And for about twenty minutes, I 458 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 4: just kept my eyes closed and I was relaxed. I 459 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:38,240 Speaker 4: didn't see anything, and I try to keep my mind 460 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 4: centered and not distracted. 461 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 5: Okay, so this is kind of the non task task, 462 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 5: and now it's called the default mode network. We're looking 463 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,440 Speaker 5: for and it's a circuitry that we should see these 464 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 5: areas of the brain and a normal person light up, 465 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 5: and these are connected areas that most people's lives are 466 00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 5: in this mode because you're kind of daydreaming or you relax. 467 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 7: You know there's no task there, and so a lot 468 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 7: of your life is in this mode. 469 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 5: And if you look at the connectivity of this circuit 470 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,639 Speaker 5: of this plus with your limbics system, your emotional parts 471 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,159 Speaker 5: of your brain, you can really get an idea on 472 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 5: why somebody is a certain way. You're simply given this 473 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 5: task and it sounds like the way you've described it 474 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 5: is exactly correct. And here's the raw scans. Part of 475 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 5: the raw scans are up here without any processing. So 476 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 5: this is ground truth, okay. And here is your pet scan. Again, 477 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 5: it's not doctored with colors or anything, okay, because usually 478 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 5: you see a pet scan, it's like there's blues and 479 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 5: red scale and that's made in software and it's kind 480 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 5: of fudged a bit. It doesn't mean it's wrong, but 481 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 5: it's fudged. This is like ground pure truth, okay. And 482 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 5: so wherever we see the dark areas you see right here, 483 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 5: they're dark. That's what has really turned on in that 484 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,199 Speaker 5: half hour before you've got the pet scan. And so 485 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 5: here you are and here's the normal okay, And I 486 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 5: tried to this morning try to match them up if 487 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 5: I could, and it. 488 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 7: Turns out yours is completely normal. 489 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 5: So this first test that this is like your your 490 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 5: clinical scan is completely normal. So you don't have any 491 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 5: problem in your brain that anybody can see. And anatomically 492 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 5: it's not like tumors or anything like that, and there's 493 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 5: no no weirdness at all. It's completely normal. And now 494 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 5: when we looked at this, they really match up. 495 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 7: You look like a completely normal for this test. So 496 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 7: that's amazing, it's amazing normal. 497 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, it could be disappointed too, So I mean, again, 498 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 5: this is not diagnostic, but you have quite a normal reaction. 499 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 5: And you see how sort of hot you are down here. 500 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,000 Speaker 5: I cannot turn this part of my brain on at all. 501 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:49,880 Speaker 2: Wow. 502 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 5: So when I do default mode, I can't turn that on. 503 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 5: And so that's a psychopathic pattern. 504 00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 7: It's normal. 505 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 2: And so after years of wondering if her father's genes 506 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: had somehow infected her with the same traits, the same 507 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 2: buried evil tendencies, Melissa could finally breathe a sigh of relief, 508 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,120 Speaker 2: knowing that she was another step in the opposite direction 509 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 2: of Keith. 510 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 4: The power that he had over me. Now I feel 511 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 4: like he doesn't have any power over me anymore. I 512 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,080 Speaker 4: feel like I'm my own person. I feel liberated. I 513 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 4: almost feel like I got out of jail. I feel 514 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 4: so much better. I almost wish I would have. 515 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 10: Done this a long time ago, that I would not 516 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 10: have been running away, but I would have never been 517 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 10: ready for it. I don't think like I am now. 518 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 4: But I feel amazing. I feel like I'm my own 519 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:54,359 Speaker 4: person and free now. I'm excited about moving forward in 520 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 4: the future. Like this is less energy devoted to worry. 521 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 4: The energy that I've been using scared of my connection 522 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 4: with my dad can now be used for something useful 523 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 4: and purposeful. And it gives me everything that I need 524 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 4: to just look to the future and stead of to 525 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 4: the past. 526 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 9: If you lost me or not, do you know what 527 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:28,200 Speaker 9: I an a bag? 528 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 8: What? 529 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,920 Speaker 9: Do you know what I see? 530 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:36,359 Speaker 5: You? 531 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 9: And I know what I do that you don't know me? 532 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 9: You could have that too, but you would rather be free, 533 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 9: big free. 534 00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 2: In the final Happy Face, Melissa comes to a reckoning 535 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 2: with her past, her present, and her future. 536 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: Happy Face is a production of How Stuff Works. Executive 537 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: producers are Melissa Moore, Lauren Bright, Pacheco, mangesh Ha Tikedur 538 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: and Will Pearson. Supervising producer is Noel Brown. Music by 539 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: Claire Campbell, Paige Campbell and Hope for a Golden Summer. 540 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 1: Story editor is Matt Riddle. Audio editing by Chandler Mays 541 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: and Noel Brown. Assistant editor is Taylor Chicoigne. Special thanks 542 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: to Phil Stanford, the publishers of the Oregonian Newspaper, and 543 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: the Carlisle family.