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Speaker 1: with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton.
Speaker 1: It is Monday, October twelfth, twenty twenty, Season sixteen, episode
Speaker 1: number forty two. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: I'm Derek Eagleton, Life and s WBC Mortgage Studios at
Speaker 1: the Star. Guy Nick Amber and Dave with me, and
Speaker 1: it's time for us to talk about this game yesterday,
Speaker 1: Cowboys get the win thirty seven to thirty four. Typically
Speaker 1: on a Monday, when we come in from a game,
Speaker 1: I usually start the show having you guys go around
Speaker 1: and talk about what for you was the story of
Speaker 1: the game. But I don't think we need to do
Speaker 1: that today. I think we're very clear on what the
Speaker 1: story of the game was yesterday. Aside from the Cowboys
Speaker 1: getting a win, a much needed win, the story really
Speaker 1: is Dak Prescott and he gets injured during the game.
Speaker 1: A compound fracture and dislocation of his ankle. Nick qun'try
Speaker 1: first give us an update on kind of what we
Speaker 1: know as far as what happened post him actually being
Speaker 1: injured and then having to go to the hospital. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, well you said right there he had to
Speaker 1: go to the hospital. That's you know, right off. The
Speaker 1: bat had the surgery last night, and you know, cowboys
Speaker 1: have announced that the surgery went well, which you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's important, you know, and you could say, well,
Speaker 1: don't they all go well? And then no, they don't.
Speaker 1: And it was ironic that Alex Smith played yesterday for Washington.
Speaker 1: That's a good example that sometimes they don't always go
Speaker 1: like you want. And but I just thing, you know,
Speaker 1: it sounds like from what I've heard, is it's it
Speaker 1: was a terrible situation and what it looked like. But
Speaker 1: the broken ankle and a fracture, you know, the bones
Speaker 1: can heal along with the surgery. It's done well, and
Speaker 1: so it sounds like he you know, will be able
Speaker 1: to come back next year and should should be fine
Speaker 1: with this. You know, you knock on wood and hold
Speaker 1: your breath and all that kind of stuff. But I
Speaker 1: think that you know, he can he can come, you know,
Speaker 1: come back from this and he would be fine, but
Speaker 1: you know, you left the stadium. We left the stadium
Speaker 1: last night, and it's like, did they win? You know?
Speaker 1: I mean because it the loss was bigger than the win. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I let them kind of go. Amber. Tell me what
Speaker 1: was your mood when this this all happened? Could take
Speaker 1: me back to that moment and what you're thinking as
Speaker 1: as Dad goes down. Well, I think we all shared
Speaker 1: the same feeling. Watching that horrible injury was terrible, especially
Speaker 1: seeing his reaction. Just when you see a guy so
Speaker 1: tough like him just have tears in his eyes and
Speaker 1: I can't even begin to imagine all the thoughts that
Speaker 1: went through his head at that specific moment. It was
Speaker 1: just very touching to see the support from everyone, the
Speaker 1: whole team, his players, even Jason Garrett coming up to him.
Speaker 1: It's it's just awful. But based on everything that Nick
Speaker 1: said and the reports that we keep hearing, at least
Speaker 1: it's something that that's not gonna be like career ending.
Speaker 1: And the hope is that this is something that he
Speaker 1: can come back from, and we know how strong he
Speaker 1: is and he's gonna bounce back come back stronger. It's
Speaker 1: just very, very disappointing to see a guy like him,
Speaker 1: and also during a season that he was just doing
Speaker 1: absolutely great. Yes, they weren't getting the wins that you
Speaker 1: wanted them to, but statistically speaking, Dad had amazing numbers
Speaker 1: and his path was just going upwards. So it's just
Speaker 1: disappointing to see not the whole theme play out during
Speaker 1: the season. Dave, what were your thoughts? Man, At the
Speaker 1: risk of sounding dramatic, I just this is tough, and
Speaker 1: I'm the guy that always says, you know, I don't
Speaker 1: let I don't let what happens on the field get
Speaker 1: to me too much. There's too many ups and downs
Speaker 1: in this job to let that happen. But like, I didn't,
Speaker 1: I didn't sleep well last night. Like it, I mean,
Speaker 1: it was just a devastating thing to see, and especially
Speaker 1: from like from where it happened. You know, Dak already
Speaker 1: has this amazing receiving touchdown on a trick play, and
Speaker 1: this happens on a quarterback draw where he shakes off
Speaker 1: a tackler, just showing how ridiculously versatile and talented he is.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you probably take his durability for granted at
Speaker 1: this point, he's never missed time due to injury in
Speaker 1: his career, and the swiftness which went with it went
Speaker 1: from like, oh, my god, Dak made this great play
Speaker 1: to oh, like he's already gesturing at the sideline, like
Speaker 1: he knew immediately that something was terribly, terribly wrong. And
Speaker 1: I just I don't know if I've ever I don't
Speaker 1: know if I've ever been a part of a moment
Speaker 1: that was that surreal. I don't know if you remember,
Speaker 1: but the Giants kicked a fuel goal like a half
Speaker 1: hour after it happened, and you were like, Dave, how
Speaker 1: long is that fuel goal? I was like, Man, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not I'm not here. I'm not mentally
Speaker 1: here which line I mean, I know that's my job,
Speaker 1: but it was just hard to focus on anything else.
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm still there. I'm still just trying to
Speaker 1: process it. I just it sucks so much for him,
Speaker 1: and obviously it's also a devastating glow for the team too,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's and that you know how important
Speaker 1: he is, You know that he's the heart and soul
Speaker 1: of it, But not until a moment like this happens
Speaker 1: do you realize that just how big it really is,
Speaker 1: because you could make you wouldn't know, you never want
Speaker 1: to lose a game ever, but you can make that
Speaker 1: argument of would you rather lose that game and have
Speaker 1: him for the rest of the season or win that
Speaker 1: game and not happen easily because that I mean two
Speaker 1: and three, one and four. I mean you could still
Speaker 1: come back with that. But like, and I don't mean
Speaker 1: to sound that I'm too dramatic either, but they won
Speaker 1: the game. They might have lost the season though, we'll see,
Speaker 1: we'll see. But I mean, well, the Andy Dalton is here,
Speaker 1: so he can go and and and win games and
Speaker 1: all that. But like, it's just it's so crushing, and
Speaker 1: you woke up this morning and you're like, that didn't
Speaker 1: feel like a win because it wasn't. They lost something
Speaker 1: way bigger than a game. What was the mood of
Speaker 1: the team yesterday, Nick, did Dave were about to say something? No? No,
Speaker 1: well no, Nick, Nick got to talk to the guys.
Speaker 1: I think that's more important than what I was gonna say.
Speaker 1: We can do both. Dave made me feel bad too,
Speaker 1: because he said he goes in a situation like this,
Speaker 1: like there's no way you go up to Cedric Wilson
Speaker 1: and say, hey, how was that passed? And I was like, dang,
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly what I said. Yeah, right, I
Speaker 1: got I got eleven guys in about seven teen minutes. Seriously,
Speaker 1: it's like a whirlwind down there. And by the way,
Speaker 1: just for people that don't know, like right now, typically
Speaker 1: after a game, we would all be in the locks
Speaker 1: roroom and you would be talking to players. Everybody be
Speaker 1: talking to players right now, all the media. Nick is
Speaker 1: the only person that is literally face to face talking
Speaker 1: to players. Some of them have press conferences that they'll
Speaker 1: do by zoom, but basically Nick is the only one
Speaker 1: that's down there. And so you're running players through and
Speaker 1: just talking to every almost every player that had some
Speaker 1: kind of influence on the game. You have an opportunity
Speaker 1: talk to him after the game, right, So and IM
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to mix in you know obviously what
Speaker 1: they did of why I'm talking to them, plus the
Speaker 1: deck if it works, maybe Jason Garrett, if if you're
Speaker 1: you know. And the one person I did ask was
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown, which then I want he's answering, and I realized, oh,
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown was the one that called out the whole staff.
Speaker 1: But but they all were just I mean heartbroken, devastated, crushed.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's my guy, it's my dude. I mean
Speaker 1: all the everything that you can imagine. But you know,
Speaker 1: they also said that, you know, Dak wouldn't want us to,
Speaker 1: you know, to lay down. I mean, obviously he's still
Speaker 1: fighting for us, and he you know, we had to
Speaker 1: fight for him as well. So um, you know, they
Speaker 1: were it would have been a different feeling that they
Speaker 1: lost and that happened. I think they were the highs
Speaker 1: of kind of coming back in winning. But I bet
Speaker 1: you there was a point last night and everybody felt
Speaker 1: it where he just kind of sinks in or it's
Speaker 1: like dang, like that that that really happened. It's just
Speaker 1: it's crushing you feel, you feel for Dak, you know,
Speaker 1: and everyone's thinking financially, only a handful of individuals decide
Speaker 1: they want to tweet about it whatever, but but you
Speaker 1: know everyone's thinking it. I bet you. You You know Naber
Speaker 1: just said about what he's going through. He's probably thinking
Speaker 1: it too, you know, I mean just thinking like, oh man,
Speaker 1: I bet on myself and this happened. Yeah, well I
Speaker 1: did want to get to the next conversation, which I
Speaker 1: think you have to start looking forward because that's the
Speaker 1: nature of the NFL. By the way, this is not
Speaker 1: the first time a player has gone through something like this.
Speaker 1: And if there is any player that I've ever witnessed
Speaker 1: in the NFL that I feel like, hey, he can
Speaker 1: go through a devastating thing like that, and I feel confident,
Speaker 1: completely confident that if it is medically possible, he will
Speaker 1: be back and better than ever. Is Dak Prescott. This
Speaker 1: man has gone through more adversity than most people go
Speaker 1: through an entire lifetime. He's gone through in the last
Speaker 1: several years, and he keeps coming back, He keeps fighting.
Speaker 1: He doesn't allow it to get him down, and maybe
Speaker 1: it does get him down, he doesn't allow it to show,
Speaker 1: and he's still able to perform when he needs to perform.
Speaker 1: I have no doubt in my mind that if it's
Speaker 1: medically possible, which there's no reason to believe it's not sure,
Speaker 1: that he will be back and better than ever. The
Speaker 1: question becomes right now for this team in the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty season. You go out and this is the first
Speaker 1: time I can recall in a long time that Dallas
Speaker 1: has actually taken the route of getting a really legitimate
Speaker 1: backup quarterback, and it happens that they do it in
Speaker 1: year when they really really need it, and you get
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. He goes nine of eleven there down the stretch,
Speaker 1: one hundred and eleven yards, beautiful pass to Michael Gallop
Speaker 1: to put them in position for the game winning field goal.
Speaker 1: So what does Dallas lose at this point, not having
Speaker 1: Dak and having to replace him with Andy Dalton, Dave,
Speaker 1: That's actually that's what I was gonna say a few
Speaker 1: minutes ago. And I mean, we'll get into that, but
Speaker 1: it's something I've been thinking about a lot because a
Speaker 1: few fans have been like, really, Dave, is this really
Speaker 1: that unprecedented? This just happened to Tony Romo in twenty
Speaker 1: fifteen and twenty sixteen, And I don't think that's true
Speaker 1: because Tony, you know, Tony broke his collar bone in
Speaker 1: Philadelphia in Week two in twenty fifteen. He jogged off
Speaker 1: the field to the locker room to go get X rays,
Speaker 1: and if you remember, if you can go back that far,
Speaker 1: the conversation was can the Cowboys hold the rope for
Speaker 1: four to six weeks until Tony gets back? And that was. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it was the same conversation in sixteen with DAK. It
Speaker 1: was can this rookie pulled the rope for two months
Speaker 1: and keep them relevant? And obviously we know what happened.
Speaker 1: The rest is history. This is not the same. This
Speaker 1: is he's gone. He's not coming back until twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: hopefully if everything goes perfectly for him. And to that end,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys deserve a lot of credit. You know, we
Speaker 1: applauded the Dalton signing in whatever may when it happened,
Speaker 1: and it looks really smart right now because as devastating
Speaker 1: as this is, and if they played in another division,
Speaker 1: it would be even more devastating. But between having Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton and playing in this awful division, there's still plenty
Speaker 1: of reason for optimism that this team can reach the postseason.
Speaker 1: Amber what do you see as the differences here between
Speaker 1: going from Dak to now going to Andy Dalton. Well,
Speaker 1: let me go back to this being the first year
Speaker 1: that I'm actually confident in a quarterback since I've been here.
Speaker 1: The Dallas Catboys have gone through several backup guys. Back then,
Speaker 1: I know what I know now. Back then, I thought, oh,
Speaker 1: Brandon Whitten is a good guy. Yes, he's gonna be
Speaker 1: good on the field. Let go then Kellen Morrow, he's
Speaker 1: a good dude. Well, I quickly learned that being a
Speaker 1: good dude doesn't mean you're good at football on the field,
Speaker 1: so that didn't happen. But over those periods of years,
Speaker 1: I learned how how important the backup quarterback is and
Speaker 1: I started seeing a bigger value in there. So when
Speaker 1: this signing happened, I've been talking about it during training
Speaker 1: cap I talked about it. I kept my eyes on
Speaker 1: him and the way that he was practicing, and it
Speaker 1: made me feel comfortable to the point where, Okay, the
Speaker 1: offense is not gonna go completely down if something was
Speaker 1: to happen to that. Now, there are other factors that
Speaker 1: are going to play. We know the whole thing that
Speaker 1: the offensive line has been going through, and that's that's
Speaker 1: gonna be an issue there. But if they can hold
Speaker 1: up against better teams and better defenses, I have confidence
Speaker 1: in Andy Dowton just being able to at least carry
Speaker 1: the team this season. Nick, what do you see the differences? Um?
Speaker 1: I think you know third and two from the or
Speaker 1: a two point conversion where the quarterback can can definitely
Speaker 1: sneak it or you know, quarterback draw and run into
Speaker 1: the end zone and and that option. Uh you know
Speaker 1: that that's probably not the same. Uh, he can, he
Speaker 1: could move. I mean that one plays of the game
Speaker 1: was one of the one of the plays the game
Speaker 1: on that last drive, I mean he was rolling to
Speaker 1: his right man really nice throw. So he can. He's
Speaker 1: not like I wouldn't call him a mobile quarterback, but
Speaker 1: he's not just gonna be you know, sitting duck in
Speaker 1: the in the pocket either. So the weird thing for
Speaker 1: me is that, and I wrote this yesterday in my column,
Speaker 1: is that, you know, going into the game, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: easily at the best quarterback in the NFC East, do
Speaker 1: they Now, It's debatable, definitely debatable. I mean because time
Speaker 1: every time I look up at Philadelphia, I see them
Speaker 1: showing Jalen Hurts. I mean whether or not they just
Speaker 1: want to play him or they're thinking about playing him
Speaker 1: or whatever. But it's not like Carson Wentz is lightening
Speaker 1: it on fire over there. And he's definitely more decorated
Speaker 1: or more accomplished than Carson Wentz and the other two
Speaker 1: guys of course, or three or seven guys or whatever.
Speaker 1: Washington and the Giants are going to roll out there.
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying still right now, with the talent
Speaker 1: around it, I think Cowboys might have the better quarterback
Speaker 1: in the division. They also have the lead, so you
Speaker 1: can't just say, well, they can't do this they pointed
Speaker 1: out in this division when this year it still could
Speaker 1: be possible. Ye, And you're looking at a guy that
Speaker 1: he has been a I would say out above average
Speaker 1: quarterback during his time in Cincinnati, especially in the years
Speaker 1: when AJ Green was at his best. And he's got
Speaker 1: essentially and not undervalue AJ Green, but he's essentially got
Speaker 1: three AJ Green' tire like he's got three premier wide
Speaker 1: receivers here where there he had one, and he's he
Speaker 1: was able to do some really good things in that offense.
Speaker 1: I think in this offense he's got more talent than
Speaker 1: he had in that offense. So I would I expect
Speaker 1: that he is able to be able to do a
Speaker 1: lot of things. Maybe he doesn't do it in the
Speaker 1: same way that Dak did it. It's not going to
Speaker 1: be the guy that you're gonna necessarily line up to
Speaker 1: do a quarterback draw, but he does have the arm
Speaker 1: to be able to find some of these guys and
Speaker 1: as we saw yesterday, go down feel and he threw
Speaker 1: a pinpoint accurate ball yesterday to Michael Gallups to make
Speaker 1: that catch to put him in position. That's what I
Speaker 1: expect to see is that he's gonna be able to
Speaker 1: really drive this offense from the standpoint of the passing game. David,
Speaker 1: you have something you're about to say. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: there's another similarity there, which is that his offensive line
Speaker 1: looks fairly leaky, just like the one that he was
Speaker 1: working behind in Cincinnati last year. I think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: still have Zack Martin, but I mean that's it's I'm
Speaker 1: I'm interested obviously. You know, the Cowboys really got back
Speaker 1: to basics after the injury yesterday. You know, it felt.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was the Zeke Show right up until
Speaker 1: the final drive basically, and I don't think I don't
Speaker 1: think they can get away with doing that on a
Speaker 1: full time basis. I think a lot of that is,
Speaker 1: you know, people don't think about this, but you install
Speaker 1: a game plan for one quarterback and have to change
Speaker 1: on the fly. You know, I don't think Kevin Moore
Speaker 1: is going to call the game the same way on
Speaker 1: short notice with Andy Dalton as he would with Dak.
Speaker 1: So I think it'll look different when you have a
Speaker 1: chance to go through a whole week with Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: preparing to be the starter. You can have some different
Speaker 1: tendencies and try some different things. I do think, I mean,
Speaker 1: running the ball is going to have to be a
Speaker 1: bigger aspect of it of this offense than it has been.
Speaker 1: But that would have been the case with Dak because again,
Speaker 1: a big part of that's just because they can't stop
Speaker 1: turning the ball over. But I'm I'm worried about the
Speaker 1: offensive line with Andy more than I would be with Dak.
Speaker 1: That's that's something that we have to watch to see
Speaker 1: if they can give him enough time because I don't
Speaker 1: I don't know that he can create his own plays
Speaker 1: as well as Dack does. And we will dive into
Speaker 1: that topic big time tomorrow. I want to take a
Speaker 1: bigger picture look at this offensive line and really the
Speaker 1: offense and how much it has to adjust to the
Speaker 1: changes that you'll have to see here between those two quarterbacks.
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Speaker 1: welcome back to the second segment of the break life
Speaker 1: in the SWBC Mortgage studios. At the start, we're talking
Speaker 1: about the Cowboys big win thirty seven thirty four. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you can call it a big win.
Speaker 1: It was a win that they needed, but it still
Speaker 1: was a win against a team that you thought that
Speaker 1: maybe Dallas shouldn't have to work as hard against. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about some of the other secondary stories of this game.
Speaker 1: I think one of the things that stood out once
Speaker 1: again is the offense got out to a really slow start.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could say as a team
Speaker 1: they got off to a really slow start because they
Speaker 1: get they dig themselves a hole and they're down seventeen
Speaker 1: to three early in the second quarter. But once again,
Speaker 1: as we've seen them do so many times this year,
Speaker 1: they dig themselves out and by halftime they're up twenty
Speaker 1: four twenty. So why is this happening? Is there anything?
Speaker 1: And what we know right now is it's no longer
Speaker 1: just happenstance, this is a pattern. What do you think
Speaker 1: is happening and how do you think they managed to
Speaker 1: get out of this. Let's start first with you, Amber,
Speaker 1: I wish I had an answer for you, but I
Speaker 1: don't even know if the team themselves have an answer
Speaker 1: as to why this issue keeps happening. I mean, every
Speaker 1: time you ask certain players, including Dyke or Seager, even
Speaker 1: coach Mike McCarthy, they don't necessarily have a good answer
Speaker 1: for you. They just say they know they need to
Speaker 1: do better and start off better. And it's been an issue,
Speaker 1: but as nothing that I've seen, aside from the mistakes
Speaker 1: and little turnovers, which obviously has been a big problem
Speaker 1: this year so far. Other than that, I really don't
Speaker 1: know what it is at the beginning of the game
Speaker 1: that they're unable to do during the second half of
Speaker 1: the game. So hopefully Nick and Dave have a good
Speaker 1: answer here, because I really don't. Nick, I don't either,
Speaker 1: and then of course the coach will say, well, if
Speaker 1: I had that answer, it wouldn't happen. But I mean
Speaker 1: it's on the coaches too. I mean that they're not prepared.
Speaker 1: I mean they get the ball to start the game,
Speaker 1: the fur doesn't matter. I mean, this seems like the
Speaker 1: opposing team has a much better plan of going out
Speaker 1: and doing something then the Rams did it. The Falcons
Speaker 1: did it. The Seattle did it. Um actually Seattle's first drive,
Speaker 1: they didn't score, but they got on you know quickly there.
Speaker 1: The Giants, I mean, they just everyone seems to be
Speaker 1: more prepared than the Cowboys, or at least at least
Speaker 1: that they execute better. So I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: what the problem is. I wonder if when you keep
Speaker 1: coming back, do you just kind of feel like it's
Speaker 1: early we can come back, because they will and they have,
Speaker 1: but they can't always keep doing that, Dave. The only
Speaker 1: the only thing I can come up with is like
Speaker 1: an attitude problem. And I actually, um, there are a
Speaker 1: couple guys and I pick up I say that just
Speaker 1: picking up on context clues from earlier in the week. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Zeke Elliott and Antoine Woods both kind of
Speaker 1: said something to the effect of, uh, you know, we
Speaker 1: don't we don't worry about criticism because that's the nature
Speaker 1: of football. And you know, if if we come out
Speaker 1: and win against the Giants, everybody will be praising us again.
Speaker 1: And I was like, no, no, we won't, No, we won't.
Speaker 1: Like the Giants are bad, you don't deserve praise for that, like,
Speaker 1: and it just makes me wonder. I don't know, it
Speaker 1: makes me wonder how focused they are at the start
Speaker 1: of the games, because like, go go, look at go,
Speaker 1: look at the rundown. The only time the Giants drove
Speaker 1: the field for a touchdown was the first possession of
Speaker 1: the game. And then Dak responds to that by making
Speaker 1: a pretty terrible throw on the ball that got intercepted
Speaker 1: and returned. The Giants got seventeen points off of turnovers,
Speaker 1: and that dumb twelve minut on the field penalty seventeen
Speaker 1: of thirty four get literally gifted to them, you know,
Speaker 1: because because the Cowboys fumbled on their own twenty four
Speaker 1: as well the Andy Dalton fumbles, So seventeen points out
Speaker 1: of thirty four. You know, you're probably feeling a little
Speaker 1: bit better if the Giants scored twenty then if they
Speaker 1: scored thirty four. And I don't get it. It's just
Speaker 1: and going all the way back to last year, it
Speaker 1: seems like it takes them twenty minutes to kind of
Speaker 1: shake the cobwebs off and realize that they're playing in
Speaker 1: the NFL. And I remember last year it was all
Speaker 1: about the three and ode start where they were just
Speaker 1: kicking everybody's but that's ancient history at this point, so
Speaker 1: if that's still in your head, I don't get it
Speaker 1: at all, because the last year of results says that
Speaker 1: you're a pretty mediocre team. So God, it would be
Speaker 1: nice to see a better level of focus at the
Speaker 1: start of a game. And I don't understand why they
Speaker 1: can't do it. You know I will, And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say this at the risk of not knowing what the
Speaker 1: answer is, but I think I know the answer. I
Speaker 1: think the answer is turnovers. And I'm going to go
Speaker 1: back after this show. I don't know one of you
Speaker 1: guys might know this off the top of your head.
Speaker 1: It seems to me that most of the turnovers are
Speaker 1: happening in the first half when they're getting into these holes.
Speaker 1: Now that might be incorrect, but it just feels like that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back after the show and I'm going
Speaker 1: to count those up because I think that's actually if
Speaker 1: it's true, I think that's your simple answer is that
Speaker 1: if they stop turning the freaking ball over, then they
Speaker 1: won't get in this hole because you don't have the
Speaker 1: defense that can just recover. Or when you give the
Speaker 1: opposing team the ball at the fifty yard line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're gonna give up a touchdown. That's just how it's
Speaker 1: gonna go. Because this defense. We know, this defense is
Speaker 1: not very good, but look at the you know, and
Speaker 1: I'm laughing because when you're like, I don't know the answer,
Speaker 1: but I think I know, which is just that's you
Speaker 1: to a t. It's like, is there a reason why
Speaker 1: they're turning the ball over here? But yeah, there is,
Speaker 1: there is a reason why. I go back and look
Speaker 1: at it. Why did why did the Dak fumble gains
Speaker 1: Cleveland with Miles Garrett because offensive line came along? Why
Speaker 1: did he throw a past that to Zeke? You know
Speaker 1: that he that maybe Shack could have caught because the
Speaker 1: offensive line was I mean, the offensive line is, but
Speaker 1: you also have to count for Zeke putting the ball
Speaker 1: in the ground offensive line or yeah right. But I'm
Speaker 1: saying the turnover problem has been a problem that has
Speaker 1: been bigger than just the offensive line, and it's been
Speaker 1: a problem that that may go back to what Dave
Speaker 1: is talking about. I think when you're having a lot
Speaker 1: of turnovers, to me, that is a mental problem because
Speaker 1: you're not paying enough attention when you have the ball
Speaker 1: to take care of it and not do something careless
Speaker 1: where an offender can come and take it from you. Right,
Speaker 1: I think those are the things that right now I'm
Speaker 1: saying it to me, seems like that's if I had
Speaker 1: to pin all of these early holes that they get
Speaker 1: in on at least on one thing, I would say
Speaker 1: it has to be the turnovers. All right, let's move
Speaker 1: on to the next topic, secondary topic of the game.
Speaker 1: The defense once again struggles. But the one thing that
Speaker 1: you have to point to is that they're at the
Speaker 1: end of the game. It is the time of the
Speaker 1: game when you need the defense to make a stop.
Speaker 1: Giants get the ball with two minutes left, they have
Speaker 1: to drive the field in order to get a field
Speaker 1: goal and they can win, which, by the way, against
Speaker 1: this defense, I wasn't so sure that wasn't gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Not only do they stop them, they stop them in
Speaker 1: a minute and give their own offense to the ball
Speaker 1: back with a minute left to go, they go down,
Speaker 1: they score the game winning field goal. Talk about this defense,
Speaker 1: and here's my real question, is this kind of the
Speaker 1: ceiling of what we can expect from this defense. They're
Speaker 1: not gonna be a great defense, but if they can
Speaker 1: just make one two great stops in the game. That's
Speaker 1: the ceiling of what they can be. Well, Jason and
Speaker 1: Garrett I thought I had t shirts about four or
Speaker 1: five years ago that ga TA. That's what they did.
Speaker 1: I mean that that's what they did. They got after
Speaker 1: their ass, I mean, and they hadn't been doing it
Speaker 1: all game. But Tyron Crawford, Alden Smith, I know I'm
Speaker 1: missing some Jalen. They were running all over the place.
Speaker 1: And I asked the unlet after the game, did y'all
Speaker 1: do something different? And he was like, no, they just
Speaker 1: started to play. They just finally cranked up the intensity
Speaker 1: and played was kind of pissed off about it, and
Speaker 1: it was just like they just played, I know, I
Speaker 1: mean they did. I mean they were I mean, I
Speaker 1: thought Crawford, I don't know, he may not even have
Speaker 1: a stat He was fun Neville Gallimore was throwing, you know,
Speaker 1: and I almost got a penalty get the sideline, which
Speaker 1: would have been devastating. But they did a really nice
Speaker 1: job of just just kind of wearing down that offensive line,
Speaker 1: I think, and finally got to Daniel Jones. Ambers is
Speaker 1: the best that we can expect to see from this defense.
Speaker 1: Not I hope. I hope not. But watching the game,
Speaker 1: you know, when they made certain good plays, I would
Speaker 1: get really excited. I'm like, okay, yes, finally, and then
Speaker 1: I would have to stop myself and take it back.
Speaker 1: I'm okay. Remember they are playing the Giants. This is
Speaker 1: the Giants who they're playing again. So it's really it's
Speaker 1: really hard to fully evaluate what this means for the
Speaker 1: defense as far as those good moments that they did
Speaker 1: have in the game. But at the same time, I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm gonna take it. I'm gonna take it and
Speaker 1: be glad that at least we saw somewhat of an
Speaker 1: improvement in certain occasions. I guess having Mike Nolan on
Speaker 1: the field maybe had something to do with it and
Speaker 1: helped with the whole communication thing, because we did get
Speaker 1: to see, even though they allowed way too many points
Speaker 1: against the New York Giants, even then, we still got
Speaker 1: to see little moments of certain flashes of good things
Speaker 1: that the defense was finally able to show. Dave, Dave,
Speaker 1: you there, I think we lost him. This isn't good. Okay,
Speaker 1: tell you what, tell you what. I will say this though,
Speaker 1: and I think both of you, guys, Nick and Amber,
Speaker 1: I think both of you guys painted the picture of
Speaker 1: I hope not. I hope this isn't the best that
Speaker 1: we can see. But to be quite honest with you,
Speaker 1: I actually think if this is the best that we
Speaker 1: can get and they are going to be this consistently,
Speaker 1: I actually think this works with this team. I didn't
Speaker 1: come into this season season thinking this defense was a
Speaker 1: shutdown defense. What I came into this season thinking is
Speaker 1: you have a high powered offense, and if you can
Speaker 1: get a defense that can make critical stops, if you
Speaker 1: get a defense that in those kind of moments can
Speaker 1: get after the quarterback and actually make it rough on
Speaker 1: the quarterback in those one or two series in the
Speaker 1: game that make the difference, that's a winning formula for
Speaker 1: this football team. That's what I kind of expected. So
Speaker 1: if this is the best they could be and they
Speaker 1: can be this consistently, I think the Cowboys are gonna
Speaker 1: win far more games. And but the problem I was
Speaker 1: gonna say the problem is like now, I mean, we
Speaker 1: got to see a very small amount of Andy Dalton,
Speaker 1: and we all agreed that we believe he's gonna be
Speaker 1: a good quarterback and do everything that he can possibly
Speaker 1: do on the field. But we still don't know how
Speaker 1: that's gonna play out with the whole offense and if
Speaker 1: the offense is still gonna be as productive. If they're not,
Speaker 1: then what happens with the defense? Now it's a show
Speaker 1: I do not want to watch. No, it's a great point,
Speaker 1: and I do think that now now it all comes
Speaker 1: down to can that offensive line give Andy Dalton the
Speaker 1: time that he needs right because if they can do that,
Speaker 1: then you still can do what you need to do offensively.
Speaker 1: You didn't have to worry about that quite as much
Speaker 1: with Dak because defenses did have to respect the fact
Speaker 1: that he could break out a pocket. He could be gone, Dave.
Speaker 1: I'll go back to you. We got you back on
Speaker 1: the line. Now, is this the best that we can
Speaker 1: expect from this Cowboys defense? What we saw yesterday? I
Speaker 1: alluded to this a few minutes ago, and like, if
Speaker 1: you go look at the box score, you probably find
Speaker 1: yourself pretty surprised by what you see. The Giants have
Speaker 1: three hundred yards of offense. They averaged three point three
Speaker 1: yards to carry Daniel Jones. Daniel Jones averaged like six
Speaker 1: and a half Daniel Jones six and a half yards
Speaker 1: per attempt, and like I said, special teams gifts the
Speaker 1: Giants a field goal, Dak throws a pick six, and
Speaker 1: Dalton gives them a possession inside the red zone. So
Speaker 1: you look at the scoreboard and say, thirty four points
Speaker 1: is terrible, and then you look at what the defense
Speaker 1: actually did and it's kind of encouraging. Yeah. Having said that,
Speaker 1: having said that, it's the New York Giants. It is
Speaker 1: the New York Giants. I do not care. I don't
Speaker 1: care do it. And for that matter, there is one
Speaker 1: stat that really jumps off the page seven of thirteen
Speaker 1: on third down, like couldn't could not get off the
Speaker 1: field to save their lives on third down. Seemed like
Speaker 1: they were constantly either letting Jones extend plays to find
Speaker 1: guys or just losing guys or losing guys in coverage.
Speaker 1: And if the Giants can do that to you, other
Speaker 1: teams absolutely will so encouraging, sure, maybe, but but I
Speaker 1: don't take it to be this sign of great improvement
Speaker 1: or like a trend that makes me feel great. I
Speaker 1: need to see it against not the worst offense in
Speaker 1: the league before I get too excited about it. I'll
Speaker 1: say this, David, if you're getting another thing, Dave. If
Speaker 1: you're hold on, if you're gonna miss up that that
Speaker 1: guy's name, do it with Daniel Jones. Don't do it
Speaker 1: with any other Jones. Like mess up with the Giants quarterback.
Speaker 1: That's my fault. That's what I don't think. I don't
Speaker 1: getting it. I'm sorry. If you're gonna mess up with Jones,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna mess up the word Jones, do it
Speaker 1: when you're talking about the Giants quarterback and maybe not
Speaker 1: one year seven bosses. That's what I was. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure, Yeah yeah, yeah, go ahead, that failed go
Speaker 1: um I was. I was gonna add. Don't forget. Don't
Speaker 1: forget the fact that the Giants scored two touchdowns and
Speaker 1: they were taking back because their offense got a penalty,
Speaker 1: so he got taken away. But the defense, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: defense had allowed two more touchdowns from the Giants. They
Speaker 1: just ended up getting lucky. At the fact that the
Speaker 1: Giants themselves can get one of those clean plays, I
Speaker 1: will say, no, yeah, sorry, go ahead. Now, I'm just
Speaker 1: saying one of those special team well the special teams,
Speaker 1: maybe they get lucky, which we can talk about special teams.
Speaker 1: They were awful yesterday. They continue to be a problem.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear any more about how they're
Speaker 1: supposed to be so much better under John Fossil because
Speaker 1: they've been a liability like four of the five weeks um.
Speaker 1: But it's hard. I mean, I don't feel like the
Speaker 1: defense got lucky on that on that offensive pass interference
Speaker 1: that was an egregious pick like that that should have
Speaker 1: been flatting, but that the play doesn't happle them too
Speaker 1: bad for that? Yeah right, yeah, okay, So here's what's
Speaker 1: gonna do with which that was a play? What it
Speaker 1: were there was like the illegal shifting or yea, that
Speaker 1: was special special fake field goal touchdown? Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and we and I think we need that's That's another
Speaker 1: one of those topics that I'm gonna say for tomorrow
Speaker 1: because we need a little time to dig into this
Speaker 1: special teams because it's just not working for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: right now. All right, We're gonna take our final back
Speaker 1: when we come back. I do want to ask you
Speaker 1: guys the question you look at this Cowboys team. They've
Speaker 1: won two games this year. Both games have been against
Speaker 1: teams that has still not won a single game. One
Speaker 1: of them just fired their head coach and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: needed walk off field goals in order to get those
Speaker 1: two wins. What does that say about the Dallas Cowboys.
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Speaker 1: back to the final segment of the break Life and
Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage Studios. At the start, before I move forward,
Speaker 1: real Quickly, our trusty producer was able to give us
Speaker 1: some stats. In the break, I was talking about turnovers
Speaker 1: in the first half. Check this out. Eight of the
Speaker 1: eleven turnovers the Cowboys, if had this season, have happened
Speaker 1: in the first half. So that's where your problem is.
Speaker 1: Stop turning the ball over. Maybe you don't dig a hole,
Speaker 1: maybe you don't have to dig out of it, and
Speaker 1: maybe those become points at the end of the game
Speaker 1: that create a deficit where you actually can win a
Speaker 1: game by more than three points. All right, Nick, Yes,
Speaker 1: real quickly. You mentioned in the break to me that
Speaker 1: you saw something yesterday that was more personal to you
Speaker 1: that you just wanted to kind of out there. I
Speaker 1: know we're not gonna have time for moments that matter,
Speaker 1: and we usually when you do that you're talking about
Speaker 1: the game, but this moment mattered to me. It's it's
Speaker 1: not really about football. But you know, maybe it's ironic
Speaker 1: or not, but the only two coaches that Dak Prescott's
Speaker 1: ever had and in the pro level are standing over
Speaker 1: him as he's in the worst moment of his career.
Speaker 1: And Jason Garrett has always said he loves the book
Speaker 1: by Woody Hayes, former Ohio State coach, and there's a
Speaker 1: big sign up there and that say you win with people.
Speaker 1: You don't you know, you could excess and os all
Speaker 1: you want, but you win with people and how you
Speaker 1: treat people. And with Jason Garrett have gone across the
Speaker 1: field if it was on the other side of the field,
Speaker 1: and probably not, it happened right there, but for him
Speaker 1: to be out there and standing out there, you know
Speaker 1: right there that that's my quarterback. Yeah, I'm wearing the
Speaker 1: blue and all that. And I was a little mad
Speaker 1: at Jason Garrett for finally running a damn fleeflicker after
Speaker 1: ten years, but we but him standing on the field
Speaker 1: right there, even just a tap with Mike McCarthy that
Speaker 1: to me showed this guy he might not have what
Speaker 1: you want as the head coach and all that he's
Speaker 1: got class and you can win with people. And I
Speaker 1: just thought that was a great moment, and that was
Speaker 1: touching to me for Jason Garrett to kind of be
Speaker 1: right there and just he didn't even say a whole lot,
Speaker 1: but he was like he was there. That meant up
Speaker 1: to me. Maybe I'm overthinking it, but I don't know.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a good I mean, quite frankly,
Speaker 1: that whole sequence was just really touching. I mean, just
Speaker 1: the whole thing. I know, I talked to my wife
Speaker 1: and she was just bawling at the house, as I'm
Speaker 1: sure a lot of people were. She had a tear
Speaker 1: just watching that whole scene because it just it was sad.
Speaker 1: It was sad. You don't like to see that. And
Speaker 1: this game is a very very violent game. We know that,
Speaker 1: but it still doesn't make it any easier when you
Speaker 1: have to watch that, especially with a guy you really like.
Speaker 1: All Right, Um, the question going to go ahead, Dave.
Speaker 1: I just I'm gonna remember for a long time, it
Speaker 1: was almost like everybody's holding their breath trying to see
Speaker 1: what's happening. There were eighteen people surrounding Dak for for
Speaker 1: what felt like forever. And then when when everybody sort
Speaker 1: of realized that he was about to be carted off,
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the Cowboys sideline just started running
Speaker 1: over there, you know, the defensive guys who were doing
Speaker 1: their meetings and their adjustments and not worried about what's
Speaker 1: going on on the field, just sprinting across the field
Speaker 1: to get there, to be able to, you know, be
Speaker 1: in front of Dak before he went away. I just
Speaker 1: think it said a lot by what he means to
Speaker 1: that locker room that almost every single guy on the
Speaker 1: team wanted to be able to, you know, high five
Speaker 1: him or whatever before he was gone. It was it
Speaker 1: was really moving. And not only that, but Nick, you
Speaker 1: mentioned to me before we got on the show, there
Speaker 1: was an article we put up cow Buzz that we
Speaker 1: put up where it was it had all the different
Speaker 1: tweets that were happening out there from all kinds of
Speaker 1: people in sports, out of sports, in the NFL, out
Speaker 1: of the NFL. I think it just showed, quite frankly,
Speaker 1: the amount of respect that Dak Prescott has around this
Speaker 1: league and just around this country. There were a lot
Speaker 1: of people that were tweeting their support for him and
Speaker 1: how much they felt for him in that moment, Like
Speaker 1: that matters. I think there's no better one than the
Speaker 1: Eagles fan with the with the light lime green hair.
Speaker 1: Have you seen that? Yeah, that's that's he's about, I
Speaker 1: don't know, eight nine maybe, and he's got his Carson
Speaker 1: wins Jersey, I think, and he's talking about that, and
Speaker 1: it's it's it's that's that's like the best thing that
Speaker 1: I've seen today, I think is from that, because that's
Speaker 1: that's what sports is. Yep. And I think that you know,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of you know, you root for teams,
Speaker 1: you root against teams, but the fact matter is the
Speaker 1: good guys you have a certain amount of respect for them,
Speaker 1: whether they beat your team or you beat them or
Speaker 1: they're on your rival team, if you respect them, you
Speaker 1: respect them, and and that I think goes beyond sports. Right. Um,
Speaker 1: So here was the question I was posing you guys
Speaker 1: before we went to the break. Cowboys now have two
Speaker 1: wins on the season. Both of those wins that come
Speaker 1: against teams that still have not gotten to win through
Speaker 1: four games. Um, and they are reeling. They are gonna
Speaker 1: be among you. It looks as though they're gonna be
Speaker 1: among the very worst teams in the NFL. Not only
Speaker 1: did the Cowboys have to beat them, the cow beat
Speaker 1: both of them with walk off field goals in order
Speaker 1: to win, like literally at the buzzer, they have they
Speaker 1: win those two games. That being said, what if anything
Speaker 1: is that say about this Dallas Cowboys team. Let's start
Speaker 1: with you Amber. Why did he go with me? I
Speaker 1: mean everyone is just still trying to figure out what
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys can be. Every week, me personally, every
Speaker 1: week I go and watch the game, see certain things
Speaker 1: that I'm like, Okay, we can build off of this,
Speaker 1: this is good, we can take this on. Especially on
Speaker 1: the offense side of the vall. You see a lot
Speaker 1: of potential, a lot of great things, especially in that
Speaker 1: second half of the game. You're like, Okay, we just
Speaker 1: need to tweak little things here and there and then
Speaker 1: everything's gonna play out fine. At the same time, you
Speaker 1: see things that you're like, are you freaking kidding me?
Speaker 1: Why is this still happening in week four? Week five?
Speaker 1: You've got to be kidding me. So it's just a
Speaker 1: mixture of both emotions. My feelings constantly changed because, like
Speaker 1: I said, I see certain potential, but At the same time,
Speaker 1: I see a lot of things that that just need
Speaker 1: to be corrected, and I do think it can be corrected.
Speaker 1: But the problem is how long is it going to
Speaker 1: take for the Cowboys coaching staff to be able to
Speaker 1: correct those issues aside from the injuries obviously affecting the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and even the whole league as a whole. So
Speaker 1: to me, it's just a matter of timing and it's
Speaker 1: just difficult to do in the mid of the season. Dave,
Speaker 1: what do you think this says about this team? Let
Speaker 1: me be Let me be mister Sunshine for a sec
Speaker 1: because I never do that. Who have they lost to?
Speaker 1: Who are the teams that they've lost to? Yeah, they
Speaker 1: went down to the final drive against the final drive
Speaker 1: against the Forum one Rams, who are off to an
Speaker 1: amazing start, staged a furious comeback against Cleveland. Didn't deserve
Speaker 1: to win that game, but they managed to at least
Speaker 1: put some drama in the end. And then they go
Speaker 1: down to the wire against the only five and no
Speaker 1: team in the league. So I guess my answer is,
Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, your record is what it said.
Speaker 1: You know you are what your record says you are.
Speaker 1: And two, nobody should be impressed by either of these wins.
Speaker 1: But I also think that they're talented enough to hang
Speaker 1: in there against almost anybody, provided that they can stop
Speaker 1: doing stupid stuff. The big thing for me it just
Speaker 1: it changes so drastically without Dak in my opinion, And
Speaker 1: that's not a knock on Dalton, but I've got to
Speaker 1: see him go out there and play at a high level.
Speaker 1: So you know, this is a This is an average
Speaker 1: to above average team that plays uncharacteristically sloppy, stupid football.
Speaker 1: If they can stop doing that, I think they could win,
Speaker 1: you know, win the division, let's put it that way.
Speaker 1: But there's so much evidence that says that they can't
Speaker 1: stop doing that that maybe that we should temper our
Speaker 1: optimism a little bit. Nick, What's what's the actual question?
Speaker 1: What does the fact that they've only won two winless
Speaker 1: teams ye say about this team? If anything? I think
Speaker 1: Dave makes a great point there, just because it's like,
Speaker 1: if you could say, well, they barely beat these teams, well,
Speaker 1: nobody cares that they barely lost either to all four
Speaker 1: and one teams, right, everybody that they've lost to is
Speaker 1: four and one. I was telling you in the break
Speaker 1: that They've the two minute warning of every game this year.
Speaker 1: They've been down every single game, and I think I
Speaker 1: got to go back and look, I think it's at
Speaker 1: every two minute warning first half as well. They've they've
Speaker 1: been trailing, so at the end of the game, end
Speaker 1: of the half, you know they haven't had leads. Um,
Speaker 1: it doesn't it doesn't really matter. I mean, it's taken
Speaker 1: a miracle kick extra point, I mean on site kick
Speaker 1: to beat the Falcons. And you know, yesterday was kind
Speaker 1: of a weird game all from starting to finish. But
Speaker 1: you know, I think the better team won. But I
Speaker 1: don't think they were better than Seattle and I don't
Speaker 1: think they were better than the Rams. I said that
Speaker 1: at the time, and they weren't better than Cleveland. So Dave, yeah,
Speaker 1: you are what you are. I mean, they were close
Speaker 1: to those teams, not good enough to win and just
Speaker 1: good enough to win against those bad teams. All Right,
Speaker 1: we will tomorrow get more into this. We still do.
Speaker 1: We might go through some of those moments that mattered
Speaker 1: in this game. We definitely got some player performances we
Speaker 1: gotta go through because there were some players that I
Speaker 1: think had some really, really great efforts yesterday against the Giants.
Speaker 1: We'll do all that tomorrow. Join us till then for
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