1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg's sound On. 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 1: I will very, very very probably do it again. Okay. 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: The only crime victim you hear about from Democrats and 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: the media is Paul Pelosi. You know, settler differences in 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: America with a riot, mob or bullet or Hamloomberg sound 6 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: on politics, policy and perspective from DC's top names. They're ready, 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: They're ready to fire. Kathew Hope. You know why nothing 8 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: change in the state of New York because I'm the governor. 9 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Donald 10 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: Trump stokes the fires again, publicly flirting with a run 11 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: in even before the elections next week. Welcome to the 12 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: fastest hour in politics as we walk into the final 13 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: weekend of the cycle. Here we are crazy time, fully intact, 14 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: with almost three hundred so called election deniers on ballots 15 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,959 Speaker 1: across the country, and power on Capitol Hill in the balance. 16 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: Will bring you a special conversation for the moment. Major 17 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,119 Speaker 1: Garrett is here with us, long time Washington correspondent of course, 18 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,759 Speaker 1: now with CBS News and co author of the new 19 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: book The Big Truth. Later, Paul Pelosi out of the 20 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: hospital as we learned new details about his attack. While 21 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 1: Nancy Pelosi considers her political future, Bloomberg Government's Emily Wilkins 22 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 1: covers the leadership in the House and joins us tonight 23 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: along with our signature panel Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick Davis 24 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: and Genie Schanzano here for the hour and so here 25 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: we are the threshold of the last weekend of the 26 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: mid term campaign. It's Donald Trump's steering attention away from 27 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: the candidates he has endorsed and onto himself, leaking first 28 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: of all that he may announce a run for reelection 29 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: on or around November four. They actually got the date 30 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: out there, start building the risers, and then this little 31 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: tease last night at a rally in Iowa. Here he is, 32 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 1: I will very very very probably do it again. Okay, 33 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: very very very very very very very those T shirts 34 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:21,960 Speaker 1: are already out there, right. Yeah, it doesn't take a lot, boy, 35 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: not on this night in Iowa. Chuck Grassley in the house, 36 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: who was outdoors, Actually John Deer hats everywhere. Oh that's nice. Well, 37 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: get ready, that's all I'm telling Yeah, get ready, okay. 38 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 1: And then the reports are everywhere, no, which is all 39 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: you know, it's basically what he's already said, just two 40 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: more berries, so people like me will play it for you. Uh. 41 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: And of course Donald Trump is not on the ballot 42 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: next Tuesday, but a lot of his chosen candidates are, 43 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: and as we've discussed, many including those who continue to 44 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: question the outcome of the election and are poised to win. 45 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: President Biden spoke about that last night. To listen, it's 46 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 1: estimated after more than three election deniers on the ballot 47 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:16,359 Speaker 1: all across America this year, we can't ignore the impact 48 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: this is having on our country. Is damage, is corrosive, 49 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: and it's destructive with candidates for Secretary of State, attorney General, 50 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: of course governor, potentially stacking states like Arizona with yes, 51 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: the election deniers, and boy, I know that can be 52 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: qualified in a lot of different ways, and I'll have 53 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: to deal with that after. But that's why I wanted 54 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: to talk with Major Garrett tonight as everybody goes into 55 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: it hopefully a big thinking weekend. The CBS News correspondent, 56 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: Chief Washington correspondent is out with a new book, but 57 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: he co wrote with David Becker. It's called The Big Truth, 58 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: Upholding Democracy in the Age of the big lie. There 59 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: are a few working journalists in Washington who have his 60 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: sense of history, and I want to welcome you a 61 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: major to Bloomberg Sound On. Thank you for joining us. 62 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: I'm very very very very very very happy to be 63 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: with you. Very very well done. You not only work 64 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: the debunk conspiracies in this book surrounding the twenty election, 65 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: but you move the ball forward here to next week 66 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: and and beyond. Could you have imagined when you started 67 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: writing this that so many politicians to say Joe Biden 68 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: stole the election would be nominated and poised to win. 69 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: I feared it might be true. And one of the 70 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: reasons that David and I felt compelled to write the 71 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: book was to have something permanent, comprehensive, one place where 72 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: you can get all the answers you're looking for about 73 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: this fundamental question. And look, I don't consider it an 74 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:50,239 Speaker 1: unimportant question. Was the election stolen? That's a really important question. 75 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: It's an important question about any election, and it should 76 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: and deserves to be answered, and it has been I 77 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: like to sometimes talk about this in NFL term. There 78 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: have been more than one hundred video reviews of the 79 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: same play. They've all upheld the original call okay, and 80 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: it's not close. It's not as if there is one 81 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: part of the cleat hanging ever so slightly over the 82 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: sideline making the difference between a first down or fourth down, 83 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: or a touchdown or a non touchdown. It's not close. 84 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: All the video reviews, all of the courts, all of 85 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: the people who have been asked for the quote unquote 86 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: evidence have either provided evidence that doesn't exist, that doesn't 87 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: say what they say it does, or walked away. And 88 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,799 Speaker 1: let me give you a very specific, contemporary, very recent example. 89 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,559 Speaker 1: There is a documentary out there. It has the number 90 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: two thousand in it. I won't grace it with its 91 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,040 Speaker 1: full title, but it has the title two thousand is 92 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: a minute's say, thirty dollars to watch it, you have 93 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:09,359 Speaker 1: to be thirty dollars. Okay. This is one of the 94 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: parts of this and two jurisdictions in our country, Arizona 95 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: and Georgia. Yeah, said you know what, this looks interesting 96 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: to us, and went to the producers of this film 97 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: and said we would like to see your evidence. Nothing 98 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: was given to the law enforcement entities in Arizona and Georgia. Nothing, 99 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,839 Speaker 1: because it would have to withstand what scrutiny. It would 100 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: have to actually prove what is tantalizing Lee but deeply 101 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: deceptively suggested. And that's what's part of this whole carnival 102 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: allies around the election. And there's actually a very good 103 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 1: news story not only about the election, but about what's 104 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: going to happen on Tuesday, which is, our elections are local. 105 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: There is no federal Department of Elections. We do this locally. 106 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 1: We do this at the city, county, neighborhood, and precinct level, 107 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: ten thousand of them across our country. Americans do your 108 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: neighbors do this hard work. Many of them volunteers, many 109 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 1: of them professional election administrators, some Democrats, some Republicans, some Independents, 110 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: but all devoted to one thing, making sure people can 111 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: cast their ballots calmly, safely, assessibly, and that those ballots 112 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: are accurately counted. And we do that work in our 113 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: country now better than we've ever done it before even close. 114 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: Joe Biden or whoever is writing the speech last night, 115 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: crystallized your point pretty well last evening. Listen to how 116 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: he puts it. The great irony about the two twenty 117 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: elections is that it's the most attacked election in our history. 118 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: And yet and yet there's no election in our history 119 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: that we can be more certain and of its results. 120 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: How do we rationalize that? Uh, knowing the stark numbers 121 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: of people who still believe this, So I, as you 122 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: might imagine, I've given this a lot of thought. And 123 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 1: when you read the book, and I hope people who 124 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: have questions about election will take the time to read 125 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: the book or ask somebody who has because David and 126 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: I go out of our ways to say Trump supporters 127 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: who have doubts about this election are not all rioters. 128 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: They're not all insurrectionists. Their patriots who love this country. 129 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 1: We believe they love this country. We're not trying to 130 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: lecture them. I, of course, ever sound as if I'm 131 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: lecturing them. I just want to say, to use a 132 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: phrase that Abraham Lincoln used to use with some frequency, 133 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 1: I just asked them to disenthrall themselves from the idea 134 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: that something happened in the election to overturn a just 135 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,440 Speaker 1: result because somebody got into the system. It simply did 136 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: not happen. And the former president of the United States 137 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: lost that election baron Square. It wasn't as close to 138 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 1: the election, and down ballot, meaning in races where Donald 139 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: Trump was not on the ticket. As we all know, 140 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: Republicans prevailed very well, surprisingly well, and they were elected, 141 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: as you know. And I want to go onst to 142 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: bring into their soul on the same ballot, with the 143 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: same process. So if they have the conferred authority at 144 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: the state level or the federal level to say that 145 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: election was corrupt, they're saying their election was corrupt, and 146 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: they never ever say that. Look, that breaks apart right 147 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,079 Speaker 1: right at the right, at the edge. It just breaks 148 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: apart right there, which is why it's important to acknowledge. 149 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 1: You put that perfectly. It's important to acknowledge that it 150 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 1: took a lot of Republicans to elect Joe Biden. Is 151 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: also what you're saying, Yes, yes, And guess what they 152 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: did either, they didn't vote off of the presidency in Georgia. More, 153 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: the twenty tho people who cast ballots down ballot did 154 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: not cast a ballot either or Joe Biden or Donald Trump. 155 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: That almost never happens. Usually it's the other way around. 156 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 1: As you well know, people vote the big east and 157 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: leave the little ones. No, no, they've made a concert 158 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 1: At twenty Trump lost by about ten and a half 159 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 1: thousand in Georgia. If he'd only persuaded half of the 160 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:18,079 Speaker 1: people who couldn't stompa voting for either of them to 161 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: vote for him, he'd have won in Georgia. And so 162 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: here we find ourselves, Major Garrett, in a time of 163 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,480 Speaker 1: great stress and in a real conversation happening in this 164 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 1: country about whether political violence is appropriate, which is incredible 165 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: to witness. And as you write in your book, more 166 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: than a year after the attack on the capitol, the 167 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: public is still searching for accountability. The case cannot provide it. 168 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: So how do you get to the next step from here? 169 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 1: So there are mechanisms by which accountability and accountability sometimes 170 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: takes a long time. So there are defamations law lawsuits 171 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: against those who, in a quasi journalistic way pushed the 172 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: big lie. And those defamation suits, they've been asked over 173 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: and over to get rid of them. They're not foundational, 174 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: they have no basis, and courts have set over and 175 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: over again, Oh no, there's a basis, And you've got 176 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: to explain why you did what you did in public 177 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,839 Speaker 1: to harm the reputation of these companies. That's one level 178 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: of accountability clear to the prosecutions of those who attack 179 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: the capitol and committed acts of violence and destegration. That 180 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 1: accountability is coming, and for the attorneys involved, some of 181 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: them are losing their law licenses, some of them are 182 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 1: having other financial stresses placed upon them. Arizona's Attorney General, 183 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: Mark Bernovitch, who has said, and he said on sixty Minutes, 184 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: very recently, I looked everywhere I could to find evidence 185 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: of fraud. I couldn't find it. What has he done recently? 186 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: He has recommended that you dot Justice Department look into 187 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: possible RICO charges against people who perpetrate and profit from 188 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: the big law in an organized, systematic way, knowing it's wrong, 189 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: but defrauding people who send them money because they believe 190 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: they're being told the truth. These levels of accountability take 191 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: a very very long time, and sometimes the profiteers will 192 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: make lots more money and pay fines and the accountability 193 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: will not be proportional, but accountability will come. I do 194 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: believe in our system because the one thing I know 195 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: about this election in those facts will never move, they 196 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 1: will never change, and they will never yield because of 197 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: the reporting that you did. But of course, next Tuesday 198 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 1: there could be a new crop of politicians to your point, 199 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 1: as you right here, Let's be clear the fight is 200 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 1: occurring at the local and state level where election denialism 201 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: continues to fester. These are the people, of course, who 202 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: will have if they win, jurisdiction over counting these votes, 203 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: over certifying the votes in some cases depending on how 204 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: the state works. None. None, None more than Arizona here 205 00:12:47,080 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 1: where you have Carry Lake, who's running for governor, and 206 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 1: Mark Fincham. Uh both could really uh clean up next week. 207 00:12:54,360 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 1: Mark Fincham set for to be the next Secretary of 208 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: State of Arizona. Listen to Carry Lake two days ago 209 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: and it was just a remarkable moment that you probably 210 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: heard major talking about conspiracies or I'll just remove that 211 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: word the election. Here's Carry Lake. The truth is that 212 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: Joe Biden did not win with eighty one million votes 213 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: laugh another laugh track. And if you believe he did, 214 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:23,719 Speaker 1: then you are the conspiracy theorist. All right, yeah, right, 215 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:26,599 Speaker 1: if you're if you were with us in sound on, 216 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: you heard that last night or yesterday. Mark Finchham of 217 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: course again the candidate for Secretary of State of Arizona 218 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: talking about uh, Carry Lake's rival, who is who has 219 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 1: that job right now, Katie Hobbs, And how my goodness, 220 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 1: you know, just imagine what could happen with this person 221 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: who's not resigning. He thinks there should be a law 222 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: forcing one to resign before they run for higher office. 223 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: Here's Fincham, Well, it's not in law. So the current 224 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: Secretary of State ain't gonna do it, even though she 225 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:01,160 Speaker 1: is the senior elections director. Over all of that's kind 226 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: of like, to use a baseball analogy, the guy who's 227 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: up first to baton is also the umpire. What could 228 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: possibly go wrong? Major Garrett? What could possibly go wrong? 229 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 1: So that's completely wrong. Not surprisingly, yes, in a certain 230 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 1: constitutional way, Katie Hobbs is the highest election official in Arizona. 231 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: But as the experience, the grinding experience that's gone on 232 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: for the better part of two years in Maricopa County 233 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 1: illustrates elections are administered at the local level. And when 234 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: there were challenges before the Arizona State Legislature to what 235 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: happened in Maricopa County, and the state legislature empowered the 236 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: creation of a recount by a rogue outside agency or 237 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 1: entity called the cyber Ninjas that was to inspect a 238 00:14:57,760 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 1: local jurisdictions handling of ballots. The Secretary State had no 239 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: power over that whatsoever. Okay, the Secretary of State in 240 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: Arizona can't change election results. They are certified through a 241 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: process administered locally and then verify. And here's the thing 242 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 1: that's worth remembering about the election of our ballots were 243 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: cast on paper. The percentage in an election that Donald 244 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: Trump duly one and became the forty present nited states 245 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:32,119 Speaker 1: as a result of at about seventy three paper ballots. 246 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: Georgia didn't have paper ballots in Pennsylvania didn't Trump won 247 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: both of those states. Okay, why does a paper ballot matter? 248 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 1: Because it is a verifiable paper and permanent and non 249 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: hackable reflection of voter intent is exactly a chain of custody. 250 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: They use the terminology, but they use it in ways 251 00:15:56,480 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: that make it sound like they know when more than 252 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: they actually know. They don't know. What they know is 253 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: just enough to be deceptive and to continue this idea 254 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: that there was some big ghost in the machine, to 255 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: go back to my college days when I had that 256 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: album by the rock band Police. Okay, there isn't a 257 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: ghost in the machine. You can't hack paper. You can 258 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 1: never hack paper. That's what about the satellite? Don't answer that. 259 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: Which country it rotates? Wait a minute, No it's Norway, 260 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Venezuela. No, no it's Berundi. Wait a minute, 261 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: Brundi doesn't have satellite, or maybe it's someplace else. So 262 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: then let me ask you, lastly and more broadly, Uh, 263 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,800 Speaker 1: what happens? What could go wrong when you have a 264 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: state like Arizona, and and and we could find other 265 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: examples where you have a new governor in a secretary 266 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: of state who are in fact election deniers going into 267 00:16:53,800 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: So let's be clear, we don't know the results of 268 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: this midterm election. I was talking to a Republican and 269 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: Democratic strategy just about Arizona today and they're like that 270 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: racist tightening things are things are going on that that 271 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: whatever the pro polls were a couple of three days 272 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 1: ago showing carry Lake kind of rolling this thing up, 273 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: there's been that's receded a little bit. They're not sure 274 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: how that's going to come out, So it's very much 275 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 1: up for graphs. Um. What is important to remember about 276 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: whatever the outcome is in that Arizona election, the process 277 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: by which that certific certified election result will be determined 278 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: is precisely the same one as in so if carry 279 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: Lake wins, she will be endorsing the process that she's 280 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 1: been slandering for two years. And I do believe that 281 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: there is a disinfectant quality to that kind of rank 282 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: public hypocrisy. It's great to talk you's been a long time, 283 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: Major Garrett. Thank you for the the time here on Bloomberg. 284 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: It's fascinating and and a read that I would recommend 285 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: the Big Truth upholding the mock pricy in the Age 286 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: of the Big Lie, Chief Washington correspondent for CBS News, 287 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,959 Speaker 1: and he wrote it with David Becker, the election elections expert. 288 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 1: Let's assemble the panel because it's something that we've talked 289 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: about a lot around here with Rick and Genie, Bloomberg 290 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: Politics contributors and our signature panel. Uh Rick Davis, your 291 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: thoughts on this with only days to go, and as 292 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 1: Major pointed out, some of these races are tightening. Nothing 293 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: is set in stone here, but as the President said, 294 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 1: what is it? I think so called deniers, as identified 295 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: by the Washington Post, a lot of them are gonna 296 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: get elected next week. Yeah. First of all, kudos to 297 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: Major Garrett for writing a definitive tone on what the 298 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: facts were related to the election. That's really important to 299 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: have out. Their history is something we have to care 300 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 1: about a year from now or two years from our 301 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 1: ten years from now, I would say, Um, the only 302 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: thing I'm surprised is by his you know, outlook on 303 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: Arizona's competitiveness. If anything, that that I'm saying is the 304 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:04,239 Speaker 1: Republicans have come home to roost. Um. Democrats haven't been 305 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 1: able to sort of cut through the three biggest issues 306 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: in the state right now, which are you know, inflation, 307 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: crime and immigration and and you know, I think the 308 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: only lagger on this is the Secretary of State race, 309 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,159 Speaker 1: where you know, uh, Benjamin is behind by more than 310 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: the marginal error, and everybody else seems to be there 311 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:27,120 Speaker 1: up or dead even, and dead even is not good 312 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: for an incumbent Democrat. So um, you know, it'll be 313 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: interesting to see what comes out, but it is definitely 314 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: a state we'll be talking about all next year. New 315 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: numbers show Mark Kelly doing better than he was a 316 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: week ago. Rick, do you believe them? You know? Look, 317 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: I mean there's been this talk about a sort of 318 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: democratic bubble, uh, towards the end of October. Um. You know, 319 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: we saw a little of that in the in some 320 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 1: of the public polls and towards the end of October, 321 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 1: But in the last two weeks, everything I've seen is 322 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:01,040 Speaker 1: sort of a Republican base coming back and being recharged. 323 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: And uh, and I you know, I think I'd rather 324 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: have the momentum going to elections that pull from October. 325 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: Fair enough, Jenny, what's your thought on on this and 326 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: what it could mean for twenty four That's really what 327 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: we're talking about here, right If election deniers in fact, 328 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: you uh, find themselves in office and in control of 329 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: election apparatus, that's the next stop here. And it's looking 330 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: a lot like Donald Trump is going to be running 331 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: if we believe what he's leading onto here and saying 332 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: for Joe Biden, they both look like they're they're ready 333 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 1: for a rematch. How do you how do you prepare 334 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: to cover that? And how do you trust? How does 335 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: how does the public trust what they're hearing in terms 336 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: of numbers? I very very very believe that Donald Trump 337 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: will probably run. Joe Matthew, Um, I'm buying it too. Um. 338 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:54,479 Speaker 1: You know, I think there's two scary aspects And I 339 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 1: echo what Rick said about Major's book, it's in critically 340 00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: important and what does history tell us and what are 341 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: we hearing even just today and on the ground, we're 342 00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: hearing people like Ron Johnson, who are running today for 343 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: Senate in Wisconsin, saying he cannot commit to accepting the 344 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,479 Speaker 1: results of the election because quote unquote, he doesn't know 345 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 1: what the Democrats have planned. So we have what looks 346 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: like it will be a large number of contests from 347 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: people should they lose. That's gonna happen immediately as the 348 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 1: results start to come in and may carry on for days, 349 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: if not weeks or months. Then you go to the 350 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: historic aspect of this, which is what you were talking about. 351 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: You know, some people are saying three in our fifty 352 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: election deniers on the ballot, many of those people will win. 353 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: And what history tells us is that's how democratic backsliding occurs. 354 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: People are elected democratically and then they begin to dismantle 355 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 1: the system from the inside. And that is the really 356 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: scary part of this. As we move from two to Trump, 357 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: Biden's announcements in twenty four and other people, and we 358 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: move to a system in which it is election deniers 359 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: who are in control of these systems, and it's very 360 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: Orwellian and very very very scary. Joan, Well, sure, and 361 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: in some cases, Genie, it's because Democrats paid for their nominations. 362 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: I mean, some of these candidates were talking about we're 363 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: not the choice of the mainstream Republican party, and we 364 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: do have to remind ourselves of this, and that's going 365 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 1: to have to be a you know, a little bit 366 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: of reckoning for Democrats if they win. It is and 367 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: and in the case of Bulldock, which we talked about yesterday, 368 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,880 Speaker 1: it's a big reckoning. It was not the right move. 369 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:31,440 Speaker 1: And my friends on the Republican side tell me often 370 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,159 Speaker 1: not to forget, and I think it's critical, critically important 371 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 1: to be balanced. Democrats too have questions, have questioned the 372 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: outcome of elections sixteen in Georgia, the presidential election. Obviously, 373 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: we've heard that in the governor's race in Georgia. And 374 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 1: I'm not saying, you know, they're wrong to question the results, 375 00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: but it has been denial on both sides, and it 376 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: has now come through the system and it is going 377 00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: to be implanted in a very scary way. So Rick, 378 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: what do you believe or what's your thought on this story? 379 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: Here that Donald Trump's working up a an announcement November 380 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: on or around, uh, financially speaking, what it makes sense 381 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: for him to do that knowing that he doesn't want 382 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: to lose money or spend more than he needs to, 383 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 1: or is clearing the field more valuable right now? Well, 384 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: sometimes clearing the field means having a big pocketbook out there, 385 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: right and that you're prepared to use it. And I 386 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: think that's an important distinction with Trump. First of all, 387 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: this is exactly what Donald Trump said over the summertime 388 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: that he was going to announce very very very likely, um, 389 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: right before this election, and everybody was freaking out about it. 390 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,920 Speaker 1: Oh my god, what a crazy movement would be. Well 391 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: it turned out he even agreed with that, and so, um, yeah, 392 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: it's what he says, But you can't always trust what 393 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: he says. Um. John McCain used to say when he 394 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: was talking about Trump, listen to what he says, but 395 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: like you know, it's usually different than what he does. 396 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: And so see what he does. Um. The reality too 397 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: is he doesn't spend his own money. So this idea 398 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: of clearing the field, because you've got a hundreds of 399 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: millions of dollars in account um may not hold true 400 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: only because he doesn't spend Rick and Jeannie our signature panel. 401 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: We're bringing Emily Wilkins next. As Paul Pelosi gets out 402 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: of the hospital. This is Bloomberg. Thanks for joining us 403 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Sound On. As we have just finally heard 404 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: from speaker. Nancy Pelosi didn't hold a public event or 405 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: anything but a virtual call with supporters and spoke for 406 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: the first time here following the attack on her husband 407 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,959 Speaker 1: Paul Pelosi one week ago today. That's what we were 408 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: talking about last Friday at this time here she is. 409 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a long haul, but he will be well, 410 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: and it's just so tragic how happened, but nonetheless we 411 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,879 Speaker 1: have to be optimistic. He's surrounded by family, so that's 412 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:45,640 Speaker 1: a wonderful thing and doctors and back home as well. 413 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 1: As we've been telling you, Paul Pelosi has been released 414 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 1: from the hospital in San Francisco, and as the speaker 415 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,719 Speaker 1: just indicated, it's gonna take a long time to repair 416 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: a skull fracture that he had surgery on for that 417 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: to heal other injuries as well that were sustained during 418 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: the attack, and we've learned more about it. It's just 419 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: the horrifying stuff here. Uh And newly obtained court documents 420 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: prosecutors say this started just after two am. Uh, David 421 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: de pap is that what we're going with now? I 422 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: hear everything? My god is everyone that's de Peppie de 423 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,320 Speaker 1: pep I believe it's David de pep stood over Paul 424 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: Pelosi sleeping in bed. Okay, so he woke up to this. 425 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: Just put yourself in this, you know, because you're in 426 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: bed alone, spouse is gone, apparently no security, at least 427 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: physical security, and you wake up to somebody calling your 428 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,840 Speaker 1: name asking if you're Paul Pelosi. Guys holding a big 429 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: hammer in his right hand and zip ties in his 430 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: left hand. The PEPs says, where's Nancy. That's when this 431 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: all started. Where's Nancy? Paul Pelosi is waking up. She's 432 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: not here, and so he wanted to know, well, when's 433 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 1: she gonna be back. And when he said she's, well, 434 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: she's in Washington, he says, okay, well I'm gonna tie 435 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: you up. He told him this was the end of 436 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:09,439 Speaker 1: the road for him, pulled him out of bed, and 437 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: of course told the police he was on a suicide mission. 438 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,439 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of questions here about obviously motivation 439 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: and some pretty scary stuff as this becomes in some cases. 440 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what I mean in a moment, 441 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: a point of almost comedy for some of Nancy Pelosi's critics. 442 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: Emily Wilkins has been all over this. Of course, you 443 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: know where well from this broadcast because she covers the 444 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: leadership in the House. This is like Emily's crew here 445 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: reporting for Bloomberg Government and keeping us up to date 446 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: with everything that's going on. Emily, thanks for being here. 447 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: I know you're in the throes of mid term coverage 448 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 1: as well, but this is all connected here, and what 449 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: a massive distraction for the speaker here essentially on the 450 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: eve of mid term elections. What are you hearing about 451 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: her well being? It's been a week since she's been 452 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 1: out in public. Are we gonna be seeing her over 453 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: the weekend? And certainly there there are many concerns, um, 454 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 1: you know, for Pelosi, for her husband, Paul Pelosi. We've 455 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 1: heard that from from Democrats. We have heard that from 456 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: Republicans who have spoken up um. Certainly, we've heard other 457 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 1: Republicans who have tried to make light of the matter, 458 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: who have tried to, uh, sort of parlay it into politics. 459 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: You heard Glenn Young can be like, you know, we're 460 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: gonna send Pelosi home to California. I mean that you 461 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: know there. So it's been a bit of a mixed 462 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: response here. Really, I have to say though, at a 463 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 1: certain point. I mean, we're at this moment where a 464 00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,120 Speaker 1: lot of other folks within the Democratic Party are out 465 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: there on the campaign trail. I mean, you've got Biden 466 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: going places, You've got a Vice president Kamala Harris going places. 467 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: You had Hillary Clinton show up in New York, you 468 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 1: have a number of surrogates criss crossing the country. And yes, 469 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: Pelosi is a machine when it comes to fundraising. She 470 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: is one of the best fundraisers out there. But as 471 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: far as doing individual events, I mean, this is something 472 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 1: that that everyone's just having to work through at this point. 473 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: I think there are a lot of folks out on 474 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 1: the trail, although I would be I would imagine that 475 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: we are going to be in hearing from her next week, 476 00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: um as the elections get underway, as well as after 477 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: the elections, because the big question in d C post 478 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,239 Speaker 1: the elections is what her future is going to be 479 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: and That's what I want to ask you about here, 480 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: because something like this happens to you, Emily, it's either 481 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: gonna I mean, it's gonna impact your worldview. It's going 482 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: to impact the way you look at yourself and of 483 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: course the role that you play in your family and 484 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: all this other stuff. Um, does it make her want 485 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: to run more, which I could see by the way 486 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: in her the history of her personality, her character, or 487 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: just say, you know, what the hell with it. I'm 488 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: just I'm going to retire after this. I mean, that's 489 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: that's such a great question, Joe, And I think Pelosi 490 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: is always um sort of this this master strategist who's 491 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: always you know, she's she's playing that sort of three 492 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: dimensional chest. I mean, say what you want about Pelosi, 493 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 1: but she has someone who from a legislative perspect different 494 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: a policy from a politics perspective, certainly knows how to 495 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: play the game. Will what happened with her husband factor 496 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: and training decisions she makes it absolutely must, But certainly 497 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: she's been thinking about this moment for some time now. 498 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: I mean we saw her four years ago say I'll 499 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: only do two more terms as speaker and then give 500 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: the gabbl to someone else, especially if Republicans win on Tuesday, 501 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: win control of the houses, they're expected to do, so 502 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: it really seems like that kind of maybe opens up 503 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: a path for new Democratic leadership to come in. But 504 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: you know what, Joe, you talked to folks all throughout 505 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 1: this city, and you'll get a lot of speculation, you'll 506 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 1: get a lot of thoughts, but but really there's no 507 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: consensus here about what anthy Pelosi is going to be 508 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,200 Speaker 1: doing and keeps things nice and tight around there. Although 509 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: hackem Jeffries, I mean, he's going to be reelected, right, 510 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: and the and the talk really is that he's the 511 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: he's the speaker in waiting. The question is, I guess 512 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: what would she do potentially for the next two years 513 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: in the minority. That certainly is a austin and we're 514 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: certainly expecting Closi to continue to hold the gabble to 515 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: be speaker throughout the Lane duck session. There's more that 516 00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: Democrats want to do. There's things that they think that 517 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: they can do that they can't get over the finish 518 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: line in between November and January three next year, and 519 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: she'll be there to guide it. I mean, she's had 520 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: a very tough job these last two years working with you. 521 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: Know it's a it's a five vote margin, but sometimes 522 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: it's been as low as four or three. Keeping everyone 523 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 1: in her Lucus together has has been no small task. 524 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: How true? Well, I always love talking to Emily. Good 525 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: luck with your coverage this weekend. We'll be together on 526 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: election Night. Of course, Emily will be on Capitol Hill 527 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: as part of our special election coverage. Listen to Donald Trump. 528 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: Remember I told you was in Iowa last night, referring 529 00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 1: to the Speaker of the House. We're going to end 530 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 1: crazy Nancy Pelosi's political career once scar. Yeah, a lot 531 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,479 Speaker 1: of that going around. And when you hear what Marjorie 532 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: Taylor Green was saying even more the reaction at that 533 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: same rally, you'll know what I'm talking about. As we 534 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: reassemble the panel. Next, Rick and Jeannie in waving here 535 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: on the fastest hour in politics, Joe, Matthew and Washington 536 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: will check traffic and markets for you as you would expect, 537 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,760 Speaker 1: and get back to the conversation. This is Bloomberg. You're 538 00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: listening to Bloomberg. You sound on with Joe Matthew on 539 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. The listener tweets that I just said there's 540 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,960 Speaker 1: a conversation in this country about whether political violence is appropriate. 541 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 1: I may not have said it the right way, Miguel, 542 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: but it's not a lie. We've been talking about this 543 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: a lot here, and specifically that Paul. Remember this from 544 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:44,720 Speaker 1: the COVID States Project that family a quarter of Americans 545 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 1: say it's sometimes okay to use violence against the government. 546 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: One in ten Americans say violence is justified right now. 547 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I didn't take the poll, 548 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 1: but twenty three thousand people around the country. We're part 549 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: of this project, and when you hear the rhetoric out there, 550 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: I mean, my goodness, it seems like somebody's talking about it. 551 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: We reassembled the panel. Rick Davis and Jeannie Schanzana were here, 552 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: of course, as always on Bloomberg Sound On. Marjorie Taylor 553 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: Green was at the Trump rally in Iowa and mentioned 554 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: Paul Pelosi. By the way, it was less about what 555 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: she said, although that made headlines, and more about the 556 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: crowd reaction. Listen, Americans are robbed, stabbed, raped, kidnapped, carjacked, 557 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 1: and murdered, but only the only crime victim you hear 558 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:44,560 Speaker 1: about from Democrats and the media is Paul Pelosio. Paul 559 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: Pelosi was brutally attacked by a drugged out illegal alien 560 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: that should have been deported, and Paul Pelosi should have 561 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,920 Speaker 1: been a gun owner and shot his attacker. Right. Look, 562 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: I don't know that that part, but yes, he's an 563 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:04,840 Speaker 1: undocumented he's from he's Canadian. You've heard that, right, But yeah, 564 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: the Pelosi brand, I'll tell you what is about as 565 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: divisive as it gets in American politics, Genie, what does 566 00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: it tell you when you hear a crowd respond like that? 567 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: You know, it explains in part why she has raised 568 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,320 Speaker 1: millions of dollars, why Kevin McCarthy has her standing behind 569 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 1: him when he's making speeches, why she is saying that 570 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: if McCarthy doesn't listen to her, he's going to have 571 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: a very difficult time if he is elected speaker. Because 572 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,200 Speaker 1: this is what is selling to the base of the 573 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: Republican Party, and they are buying into it. And that's 574 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: where we have to say, shame on us. Um. She 575 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,280 Speaker 1: is doing this because it has been lucrative for her, 576 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: and there is no leadership and the Republican Party who 577 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: will stand up and say enough is enough. And that 578 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: is where leadership really does matter. She's not going to 579 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:56,479 Speaker 1: be shot down or you know, quelled at all by 580 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy or anybody else in the leadership. And so 581 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: she will continue to raise money and she will continue 582 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,920 Speaker 1: to be a powerful force in this party until somebody 583 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: comes in and you know, tamps down on this kind 584 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: of rhetoric that is so violent and so divisive. Rick, 585 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 1: this is this guy tweeting at our conversation right now 586 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: says that, uh, that the conversations about whether people like 587 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,880 Speaker 1: Joe will be permitted to blame Republicans when a Democrat 588 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: has attacked and then either ignore when Republicans are attacked 589 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 1: or just call it mental illness. Um I I really 590 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: we all, I think all three of us try to 591 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,879 Speaker 1: play this is down the middle as we can here 592 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: and look at and we have referenced cases on both 593 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: sides here of political violence going back years. But to 594 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: what extent of Democrats missed the mark on not addressing 595 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 1: the crime issue, because that, Rick, is where this has 596 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,359 Speaker 1: been going. When it comes to Republican critics, they say, Okay, 597 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: yes this happened to Paul Pelosi, but it's another instance 598 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: of crime in a city like San Francisco that Democrats 599 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: won't talk about. Yeah. I think this is really the 600 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: fundamental thing. I mean, I think Marjorie Taylor Green, you know, 601 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: she just uses all these kinds of divisive rhetoric to 602 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: you know, divide people and and create anger amongst the base, 603 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: which then I think she thinks will help turn them out. 604 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: We'll see. But um, yeah, this is a missed opportunity 605 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: by Democrats. They control virtually every major city, uh there 606 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,359 Speaker 1: make a mayoral leadership in the country, UM, where most 607 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,560 Speaker 1: of this record um crime wave is going on, and 608 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: yet they've really just sort of kicked it down the road. 609 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: I mean, you can see governor's races after government races, uh, 610 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: state wide, UM, constitutional offices, Senate where where Democrats are 611 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: in peril. And one of the reasons, it's not the 612 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,520 Speaker 1: only reason, but one of the reasons, is because voters 613 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: are telling us that they want something done on crime, 614 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: and and there doesn't seem to be an answer forget 615 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 1: a policy or program, but even an answer on the 616 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 1: part of the Democrats, it's too late to fix that. 617 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: If that's the case, Genie, with what are we four 618 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: days to go? But what do Democrats have a reckoning 619 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: ahead when it comes to that issue, they absolutely do. 620 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:03,280 Speaker 1: I live in New York and this is the number 621 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,640 Speaker 1: one issue according to most polls, on the minds of 622 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: New Yorkers as they head to the polls. And this 623 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,400 Speaker 1: is why our gubernatorial race is so close at this 624 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: point in a state that's overwhelmingly Democratic, and Democrats have 625 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: had signs of this that they have gone unnoticed and 626 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:23,640 Speaker 1: unheeded for a long time. Go back to Democrats were 627 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: getting hit in the suburbs on this very issue and 628 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: haven't addressed it. And so it is something that they 629 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 1: are going to have to reckon with. You're right, it's 630 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: far too late. I sent out to you and Brick 631 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: and and other people today a great piece that I 632 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: recommend to everybody by Stanley Greenberg talking about I think 633 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: it's titled how Democrats mishandled crime and um, you know 634 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 1: in my own state. I will just give an example 635 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 1: for your listener. Bail reform is something that has been 636 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: an issue for several years. Democrats miss made a huge 637 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,399 Speaker 1: misstep on that the governor may pay for it come 638 00:36:57,440 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: up in every debate and the head of the d C, 639 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: d apple See, may pay for that very mistake. So 640 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: it is something to be reckoned with. And the reality 641 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,879 Speaker 1: is people who Democrats claim are their base constituency are 642 00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: very concerned about crime and it hasn't been addressed by 643 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: their own party, so they start to look elsewhere. And 644 00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 1: that's why Republicans are making inroads and blue states. Before 645 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,359 Speaker 1: I changed the topic slightly here, Genie, does that mean 646 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: that Lee's Elden is going to be your next governor? 647 00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,560 Speaker 1: He could be. I still think Kathy Hook will likely 648 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: pull it out just numbers wise, but it's going to 649 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,279 Speaker 1: be far too close for comfort. But if it goes 650 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: zeld In early on Tuesday night, we know that we 651 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,240 Speaker 1: are in for a tsunami on the Republican side because 652 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: he should not be winning a state with these numbers. 653 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,359 Speaker 1: It's is an uphill battle. If he does it, it's 654 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: because Democrats really flubbed this well. He's really seized on 655 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: that issue in a successful way that that a lot 656 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: of other Republicans have as well. Uh, you know, speaking 657 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: of tweets, the tweeting and as while we're talking here, 658 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,240 Speaker 1: which I always love and invite people to do twitters 659 00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: in the news just all day every day. Now because 660 00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 1: of Elon who's he's man a week Elon Musk has 661 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: had uh he says, the advertisers are they're going away 662 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: here and a quote massive drop in revenue unquote, even 663 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: though no changes have been made this whole thing. I mean, 664 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: I'm assuming what do I know about how they cook 665 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: up the algorithms on these social media pages. But the 666 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: fact the matter is nothing has actually been announced. They 667 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,480 Speaker 1: have announced some layoffs apparently, but we've had audiego away, 668 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: Fiser pulled General Mills, all temporarily pausing spending on ads. Well, 669 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: they wait to see what happens under Elon Musk's leadership. Uh, 670 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:39,360 Speaker 1: he tweets extremely messed up exclamation point. They're trying to 671 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 1: destroy free speech in America, referring to uh activists who, 672 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 1: of course you know these Can you imagine these advertisers 673 00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: were hearing from them all day long. Enter Ao c 674 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:55,800 Speaker 1: Alexandria Costio Cortez always just highly capable in seizing the moment. 675 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,479 Speaker 1: Here for for some publicity, she was criticizing Elon Musk 676 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 1: about a blue check costing. You know they're going to 677 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,759 Speaker 1: charge you now for the notification, which is why a 678 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,960 Speaker 1: lot of us will see our blue checks go away 679 00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,960 Speaker 1: eight bucks a month. She thought that was ridiculous, and 680 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:14,040 Speaker 1: she says that Elon Musk in fact retaliated. Listen, so 681 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:18,560 Speaker 1: I pulled my Twitter app and it's like gone, like 682 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 1: when you pull up your mentions and stuff like that. 683 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:25,760 Speaker 1: It's just like literally like a blank screen, totally gone. 684 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 1: And I was like, hmm, that's weird. So it turns 685 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 1: out we got under a certain little billionaire skin. I 686 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,760 Speaker 1: made fun of a chilly little plan to charge people 687 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 1: for verification and priority placement. You play eight dollars to 688 00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: people see your tweets more. I'm just silly, silly, She says. 689 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: She's eating, eating the whole time she's at the camera talking, 690 00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,239 Speaker 1: and it was about bagel. What the heck was going 691 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 1: very hungry. I couldn't get the video done yet. Uh. 692 00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 1: And went on to talk about this because you know, 693 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,279 Speaker 1: then he were taliated with a tweet photographing something on 694 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,319 Speaker 1: her website, a sweatshirt that he thought was going for 695 00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,960 Speaker 1: too much money. Uh. And she comes back for Warriors AOC. 696 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: Whenever you have one person that has a massed that 697 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:19,520 Speaker 1: much socially influential wealth, usually off of the backs of 698 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:23,399 Speaker 1: skimming off of an underpaying working people or exploiting them 699 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,320 Speaker 1: or the planet in some way, like when they've amassed 700 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 1: that much, it does not help society. In fact, it 701 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,560 Speaker 1: hurts society. Okay, Rick Davis, that's the message though, really, 702 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,840 Speaker 1: But that that she's making here billionaires are bad? Is 703 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 1: that the message of the Democratic Party. That's certainly been 704 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,080 Speaker 1: her message. She wrote it to an election victory and 705 00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,399 Speaker 1: when she first got elected and subsequently and and and 706 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,879 Speaker 1: it's been her entire platform for financial policy. Right, let's 707 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: let's have billionaire tax tax charges and things like that. 708 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: So do you she's just being consistent, right, I mean, like, 709 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 1: and he just happens to be the largest target in 710 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: the world. He's the richest man, he's got Twitter, he's 711 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,040 Speaker 1: got all these other assets, and and I think that 712 00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: you're gonna see, especially the liberal progressive caucus in the 713 00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: Democratic House unleashed on people like him. Right, anybody with 714 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,840 Speaker 1: any well too upsets their cultural appetite is gonna get 715 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,920 Speaker 1: hammered the way this is happening now. At the same time, 716 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: you know, you can argue with how he's administering his 717 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,400 Speaker 1: leadership over Twitter, and you know, she might have some 718 00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 1: points on some of this stuff, but to do it 719 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,319 Speaker 1: with a McNugget in your mouth. I mean, come on, 720 00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 1: clean up your act. Your mother didn't teach you to 721 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,800 Speaker 1: go and do things on you know, Twitter, with food 722 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: in your mouth. I still believe the time and a 723 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 1: place for everything. The congresswoman does everything on purpose is 724 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: my my personal theory, Genie, Like, I mean, everything is 725 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: so carefully calculated. You wanted to do that almost as 726 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,919 Speaker 1: a way. I don't know, to show disrespect to Elon Musk. 727 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: What did you make of it? It made me hungry, 728 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,120 Speaker 1: I have to be honest, I was hungry listening and 729 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: I don't know, sweet and sour sauce for God, that's right, 730 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,360 Speaker 1: you know. So, yeah, she does things on purpose. She 731 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,880 Speaker 1: does them well. Um, I think you should get sound 732 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,480 Speaker 1: on sweatshirts and sell them for fifty bucks. Joe Matthew 733 00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 1: fastest our sweatshirts. Go ahead, Yeah, yeah, I think I 734 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:16,840 Speaker 1: think you'll make a killing there, Joe Matthew, you'll be 735 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 1: able to afford your verification check. Well, get ready to 736 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,320 Speaker 1: hear a lot more about billionaires in the next two years. Genie, 737 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,880 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, and Rick Davis our signature panel 738 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 1: thanks to Bearded Micguel on Twitter. You guys, have a 739 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 1: great weekend. I'll meet you back here Monday. I'm Joe Matthew. 740 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg