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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is an All. They

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Speaker 1: call me Ben. We are joined as always with our

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Speaker 1: super producer Paul Mission Control decads. Most importantly, you are you,

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Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't

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Speaker 1: want you to know. Today's episode starts off with something

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Speaker 1: that's understandably a problem for many people. Strange noises. But

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Speaker 1: we don't mean smacking, snoring, the squeak of styrofoam, or

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Speaker 1: all those other demons of miss aphonia. How about heavy breathing, Guys.

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Speaker 1: People accuse me online of heavy breathing a lot, and

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Speaker 1: it's really made me self conscious to the point where

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Speaker 1: I lean away from the microphone really hard. So thanks

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Speaker 1: a lot, Internet. So we're talking about something much less annoying,

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Speaker 1: and we're taking on something much more mysterious, or so

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Speaker 1: some would have us believe. Long time listeners, fellow conspiracy realist,

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Speaker 1: you've been with us as we explored the story of

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Speaker 1: the windsor hum which by the way, will be solved

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Speaker 1: in this episode as well as the story of the

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Speaker 1: infamous Bloop. But this mysterious noise occurs in the far North,

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Speaker 1: in an isolated part of the world home to more

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Speaker 1: animals than people. The local population is apparently being haunted

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Speaker 1: by a bizarre well. Some would describe it as a hum,

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Speaker 1: some would describe it as a beep. Today it's best

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Speaker 1: known as the Nunavut ping. Here are the facts. So

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Speaker 1: first off, let's do a little geography. Uh. Nunavut is

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Speaker 1: The area encompasses most of the Canadian Arctic Archipelago, and

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Speaker 1: this is Polar Bear Country. Nine of It is the

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Speaker 1: largest and northernmost territory of Canada and the fifth largest

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Speaker 1: of it alone represents about of the entire area of Canada,

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Speaker 1: which is interesting considering how few people actually live there.

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Speaker 1: It's really strange to look at on something like Google

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Speaker 1: essentially that ring, the Arctic ring around the North Pole. There,

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Speaker 1: it's you're right up at the top in this whole

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Speaker 1: area we're talking about here, nuonav it's a little over

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Speaker 1: two million kilometers in total area. That's around eight hundred

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Speaker 1: around thirty six thousand people. Yeah, this one, this one,

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Speaker 1: uh gave gave me a weird rabbit hole, Matt. The

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Speaker 1: looking for a an easy comparison. You know, what's maybe

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Speaker 1: with a population of thirty five thousand, nine hundred and

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Speaker 1: Creek just from here. You can, uh, you got to

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Speaker 1: Noll said, please tell us your Goose Creek Cities stories.

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Speaker 1: Unlike the residents of Goose Creek City, the residents of

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Speaker 1: Before that, it was part of the pre existing Northwest territories. Now,

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Speaker 1: This is not an especially welcoming environment. It's mostly composed

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Speaker 1: Changes there include higher temperatures which melts the perma frost,

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Speaker 1: one of which was ten reasons you should move to

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Speaker 1: and rich history of indigenous culture, tradition, and practices, right

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Speaker 1: This area is also home to a mystery. It's one

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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy, because you see, this area

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Speaker 1: you change the patterns of those animals, where they live,

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00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 1: where they hunt, where they feed, You're you're going to

430
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: cause some disastrous effects. Probably, Yeah. It First, to your point,

431
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:52,679
Speaker 1: it feels stupuitous. There is a Rube Goldberg guests. And secondly,

432
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: it seems like a textbook example of a situation where

433
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: someone is choosing the lesser evil. It feels like would

434
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: be an anomalous for green Peace to take that kind

435
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: of of course of action. That doesn't mean it's not true,

436
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:09,639
Speaker 1: It just it seems weird, uh, and it seems not

437
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: a character. Green Peace denies this accusation the same way

438
00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: that the mining corporation denied the accusation. In fact, spokesperson

439
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: for green Peace, one Farah Cohn, said quote, not only

440
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,879
Speaker 1: would we not do anything to harm marine life, but

441
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: we very much respect the right of Inuit to hunt

442
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: and would definitely not want to impack that in any way.

443
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: This is important because it means not only does green

444
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 1: Peace not want to mess with the animals, they're also

445
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: saying they don't want to mess with Inuit hunting traditions.

446
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: So their their argument render if if true, renders the

447
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: whole conspiratorial concept moot, because they're saying, first, we didn't

448
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: do that, and second, if there was something we could

449
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: do to disrupt this hunting season, we wouldn't do it anyway,

450
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 1: because we think it's an important cultural practice. So they're

451
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: basically saying, you know, it's it's not our battle, not

452
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: our hill to die on. Additionally, to your point, Matt,

453
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: if you if you don't believe green peace anymore than

454
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: you believe mining corporations, we can note that government officials

455
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: note no one has seen a craft of any sort

456
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: capable of like carrying and dropping son are going through

457
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: the area, or putting anything into the water that you

458
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: know would function as is so in our device capable

459
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 1: of creating this sound, etcetera. And that all means boom,

460
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: back to the conspiracy drawing board we go. And this

461
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: brings us to a third theory, which which I say

462
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: is I don't want to call it fun, but it's

463
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: it's it's fascinating, and I think we might differ on

464
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 1: our opinions of the plausibility here, Guys, because I I'm

465
00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:00,760
Speaker 1: a little more pro conspiracy on on this theory in particular. Wait, wait,

466
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: been are you talking about submarines not just the sandwich

467
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 1: is Matt. We did an episode not long ago on submarines,

468
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: older submarines, and the tech that was available, you know,

469
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: back during the Cold War days, was so advanced you

470
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: can only imagine that there might be something lurking out

471
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: there in the waters that nobody can detect. Yeah. In

472
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 1: the same episode, we talked about how there's no question

473
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: that sonar really jacks with marine animals, especially whales and dolphins.

474
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: I means, so many of them use their own form

475
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: of sonar to communicate, and this absolutely can throw a

476
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: real wrench in that in that system. And I mean,

477
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 1: the whole point of many of these submarines is to

478
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: swim under the radar. So if there were more advanced

479
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: versions of these things, we probably wouldn't know about it,

480
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 1: whether domestic or foreign. Um. So to your point, Matt,

481
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 1: who's to say that some newer version of this technology

482
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,479
Speaker 1: doesn't exist that either sounds different or acts a little different,

483
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: but still clearly you know, disrupts marine life. But the

484
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: Canadian military has ruled out the presence of both domestic

485
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: and foreign subs in the area. At least that's this

486
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: is what they're saying in their official statements of the public.

487
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: But who knows how accurate that might be. I would

488
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,040
Speaker 1: just say, remember where we are in the world, right,

489
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: We're at the northern top of Canada, and I would

490
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: say just across the Arctic Ocean. It is a pretty

491
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: vast distance from that area to Russia. But if you're

492
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 1: thinking about it with a Cold War mindset, which I'm

493
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: not going to say is gone from governments on either

494
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: side of that original conflict. Uh, It's evolves, certainly, But

495
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: if you're thinking about it in that way, then there

496
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: might be a strategic reason to be floating around in

497
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: the waters there. All right, I'm gonna save it. I'm

498
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 1: gonna save it. I'm gonna save it. Well, we'll get

499
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,719
Speaker 1: back to this, but I completely agree with you, Matt,

500
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: completely agree spoiler alert. But let's say, just for the

501
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: sake of maritime arguments, we say, okay, that's maybe that's

502
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: not a dent it. We'll head back halfheartedly with caveats

503
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: to the conspiracy drawing board. Is dj Khalin would say,

504
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 1: another one, you see there is a fourth theory, conspiracy realist.

505
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: It proposes that the sounds were being emitted by essentially

506
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:44,000
Speaker 1: a science project in the Arctic, funded not by Canada

507
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 1: but by the United States, specifically by the Office of

508
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: Naval Research in the US. This is called the Canada

509
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: Basin Acoustic Propagation Experiment or what would you Canna Pay?

510
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: Do you think DJ Khalid has anything to do with this?

511
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: Do you think this is why he hasn't released any

512
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: new material in so long, He's just been working on this.

513
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask if DJ Khalid has released his old material? Oh,

514
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: another one, another sick burn against He's He's been great

515
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: to us. He's a good friend of the show. Actually,

516
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: I love hearing to watch tracks. It's a guilty pleasure.

517
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: I wish you would always you always know, you always

518
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: know it's him. Yes, it reminds me of those like

519
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: those mix or those you know when you buy a

520
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: beat on the internet, um, and you don't pay the

521
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: full price, you just get the sample. Occasionally in the

522
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: background it will be like like six sounds and then

523
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: you know when you buy it that goes away. It's

524
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: like an audio water mark. That's what DJ kal it

525
00:32:54,520 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 1: does he's like a human audio water mark. Wo. Well, yeah,

526
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: and he certainly experiments with sounds. Right, Well, that's what

527
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: I was getting at. Maybe this is his this is

528
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: his new material, canopey, but it's also a delightful French

529
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: savory dish, A canapey. I think it's kind of like

530
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: a crape. I'm sure it is. I have no idea

531
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 1: I've heard I've heard the term though, But but this um,

532
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: this project called the Canada Base and Acoustic Propagation Experiment

533
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: or canopy, it's really interesting, uses low frequency sounds to

534
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: try and figure out the ongoing changes that are occurring

535
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: in that general area with regards to see ice and

536
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: how the how those changes. So if you're a you're

537
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: as you're having less or more ice in an area,

538
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: how does that affect acoustics? So that sounds really interesting,

539
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: and they're thinking that this project could produce some data

540
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: for use in track submarines way up there in the

541
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: Arctic or just far north in general, Like we're talking

542
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: about our submarines making a comeback already another one. Yeah,

543
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: that's the dust. But we have an expert, that's right.

544
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: We have an expert by the name of Peter either

545
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: Worcester or Wooster guess, depending on which part of the

546
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: country you come from or if you're English. But he

547
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: is a member of the Scripts Institution of Oceanography at

548
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: the University of California, and he said that the sound

549
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: being generated by CANape, which by the way, is a

550
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: small a moose bush that you might see on a

551
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: tray carried by a waiter at a party, with little

552
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: little things on it, like a little smoked salmon perhaps, um,

553
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,240
Speaker 1: but it's also this thing. But the sound emitted by canopy, um,

554
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: the sounds rather are very low and too far away

555
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: to be heard in the fury and heckless straight Okay,

556
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 1: So this he's ruling this out for for the uh,

557
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: for the ping. Know what does make sense? The project

558
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 1: is focused on low frequency sounds, right, and we're talking

559
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: about a very high pitched or high frequency sound. So yeah.

560
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: And one of the issues too, which Worcester brings up

561
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: is the problem of time, right, and and and distance.

562
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 1: So this experiment the sound to be responsible for the

563
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: Nunavut ping, these experiments would have to travel very well,

564
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: a pretty long way, and they would still have to

565
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: be distinct from the ambience background noise right, that that's

566
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 1: gonna occur. So Worster outlines, you know how quickly this

567
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 1: would dissipate in the background noise, and instead he proposes

568
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 1: another culprit, a returning culprit that some of us may

569
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: recognize from our earlier episode on the bloop and he

570
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: says it could be Arctic ice. That could be the kaiser,

571
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 1: so's a here uh. And he notes that much of

572
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,800
Speaker 1: the acoustic noise in the Arctic is caused by ice

573
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: rubbing together and cracking, sliding against itself and moving. And

574
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: favorite fact about today's episode is that this is a

575
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 1: known phantom sound uh, dating back to the days of

576
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,960
Speaker 1: early Arctic explorers. Well, let me coffee at that early

577
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 1: European Arctic explorers, they knew about these sounds. They were

578
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: so common that Arctic explorers in this in that age

579
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: called these noises the devil's symphony. How cool is that?

580
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: And the descriptions ranged kind of had the same some

581
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: of the same sounds we hear, the none of what

582
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 1: ping being described as they were. They would say there

583
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: was a buzz, maybe kind of a really low hum uh.

584
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: And then they also said wheezing and loud bangs there.

585
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a nun weeze yet, but that

586
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: would really creep me out. Can you imagine being being

587
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: out in the far North and then you just hear

588
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 1: the sort it sounds as pretty cool actually, like some

589
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 1: kind of experimental music. What if you were listening to

590
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: the Devil's Symphony while smoking the Devil's lettuce bad combination?

591
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: Probably so uh or maybe great? Who knows, but yeah,

592
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 1: that's been that right there is the best fact of

593
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: this whole thing. And you right now can go on

594
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: YouTube and other places and hear sounds of ice in

595
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,280
Speaker 1: both the Arctic and Antarctic, and just the incredible range

596
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 1: of tones and frequencies that you can get out of

597
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: ice interacting with itself and other chunks of ice you

598
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: can only imagine. I mean, you know, cracks. The ice

599
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: is like a man. I mean, think of like the

600
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: the ocean, how far it extends. I mean, so many

601
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: of these bodies of ice are just take up just

602
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,760
Speaker 1: as much, not just as much, but are very very

603
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: you know, wide ranging. And for cracks to be spreading,

604
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 1: you know, all same time slowly and kind of these

605
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: slow creaking crack sounds like that really does sound pretty haunting,

606
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 1: just to just to consider, especially if they were making

607
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: like sympathetic tones and causing these kind of weird vibration sounds.

608
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: And as reports of this ping grew or appeared to grow,

609
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: the Canadian government, including the members of the legislature that

610
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier, eventually decided to investigate and to escalate

611
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: this to get the military involved, which I think just

612
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 1: I think is another interesting argument for the sub theory.

613
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: But what are we talking about. We'll tell you after

614
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, and we're back and the

615
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:56,400
Speaker 1: government has become involved. Oh, Canadian government, what did you do? Well?

616
00:38:56,560 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: In November of they conduct had several searches of the

617
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:07,280
Speaker 1: area using uh sound equipment, Essentially the military went through

618
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: there and they were unable to determine what was causing

619
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: whatever these quote acoustic anomalies were. Yeah, I believe they

620
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 1: flew over the ocean with multi sensored you know, scans

621
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: essentially trying to find the origin um but they couldn't

622
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, they did, but it was a it

623
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,720
Speaker 1: was a large jet or a plane. Right, I'm confused

624
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: about that too, Matt, Like that makes so much noise

625
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: in and of itself, Like not now that we're acoustic

626
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: specialists or anything, but a little weird. You think they

627
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 1: do it with a boat with the motors turned off

628
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: or something, you know what I mean. Like, it does

629
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: seem as though if you are getting your initial reports

630
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: from you know, a boat or a ship traveling through

631
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: that straight he would also in kind send some kind

632
00:39:54,560 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: of vessel through there with equipment um sonar, accoust stick

633
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 1: or otherwise, just to test to see if you could

634
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 1: repeat it, rather than sending a plane over. But maybe

635
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: that's just to my ears r O vs. A magnetometer.

636
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: We do have to we do have to keep in mind, however,

637
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: that the relative inaccessibility of this area and the size

638
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: plays a role. Knowing something or thinking something originates from

639
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: the sea floor doesn't get you out of that needle

640
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: in a haystack situation. It just points you to like

641
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: a rough area of the hay you know what. It

642
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: just moves the haystack to the sea floor. That's all

643
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: it does. It's a great point, um And in seventeen

644
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: they decided to well, they did find something in their search,

645
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: which doesn't particularly surprising. They found two pods of whales

646
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: and six walruses, so they didn't come up completely in

647
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: the empty handed but in seen. Oh wait wait, one

648
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: point though about the walrus is what I love about

649
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: the way this is presented when you read about it

650
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: is that it's a total of six walrus. Is so

651
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: I love that there. It sounds like they're consistently discovering

652
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: a walrus and it keeps them going. So maybe my

653
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: crazy conspiracy about this is a seventh walrus. They just

654
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: turned around too soon. I couldn't agree with you or Ben,

655
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: but you know they didn't let this uh damp in

656
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: their spirits too much. In the Army had plans to

657
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 1: send two acoustic specialists to eggl Lick uh to learn

658
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 1: more about the ping and just kind of like pull

659
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: the locals ask around, like see who had heard it?

660
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: What they thought it sounded like seems like a smart move. Uh.

661
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: So they ended up sending just one instead of guy

662
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: named Doug Brown, um no relation. Brown was at EGLIC

663
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,879
Speaker 1: for a total of nine days in January of that year.

664
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 1: And here's some things that he he accomplished while he

665
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: was there. Well, the first thing that he didn't accomplish

666
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:01,760
Speaker 1: was recording anything as far as audio goes of the

667
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: straight or the water or any pings whatsoever. Um. Again,

668
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: the according to them, and according to the work that

669
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: Doug Brown was commissioned to do, the military had attempted

670
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,839
Speaker 1: to record those sounds and they were unable to do so,

671
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: so they sent him there with a very different mission.

672
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: He was instead interviewing residents and locals as well as

673
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: officials and attempting to just get as much information as

674
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: he could about what they had heard. You don't think

675
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: sending an acoustic specialist without like a field recorders sort

676
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: of like sending a photographer without a camera. That's a

677
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 1: little weird. That's precisely what it sounds like to me. Yeah,

678
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: and it's true. I mean, I don't know if he

679
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: brought that stuff or or what, or just decided to

680
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: leave it in his bag. But in that nine day

681
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,920
Speaker 1: span he was there, he didn't make a single recording. Instead,

682
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,080
Speaker 1: he just talked to folks to try to get their perspective.

683
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: Doesn't seem like it would necessarily take an acoustic specialist

684
00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: to do that. But who far be it for for

685
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: me to question the judgment of the Canadian government. Um,

686
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: he did play sound examples for the locals. It didn't

687
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: sound like this. Here's a soul sonar ping ping, you know,

688
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: and quite like that it was a little more of

689
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: a pew. You know, that's that's maybe the response. But

690
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: but who knows, um, because he did. I wonder if

691
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: he recorded the interviews. That's a good question, um. And

692
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 1: he asked if anybody knew who had heard the sound,

693
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: and they said no, that nobody in their community or

694
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: organization and heard any of the pinging sounds. He also

695
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 1: noted that the people he spoke within the community were

696
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: much less concerned about what the media called the mystery

697
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: of the ping Instead, they were intensely concerned about the

698
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,279
Speaker 1: lack of migration of the narwhal and the walrists and

699
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: other marine animals. Up to the Fury in Heckless Street,

700
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: he was, you know, he did his best to say,

701
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: here's maybe a reason why, uh, and you wanted to

702
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: answer their question and there, you know, address their concern.

703
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:10,320
Speaker 1: So he told them that the lack of animals maybe

704
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,799
Speaker 1: due to the environmental issues that have been occurring and

705
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: escalating in the North over the past few years. And

706
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: he said, you know, these issues may have led to

707
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:26,399
Speaker 1: the animals just not migrating as far as they once did.

708
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: So the animals are still around, right, They're just not

709
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: at the same historical range. And then in a he

710
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: got a lot of help from rangers who are based

711
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: in the town and speak the local dialect, because not

712
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: every especially older members of the community, uh, don't just

713
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: speak that dialect. And so he went to that local

714
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: radio station and he had one of the rangers put

715
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: out a message translated from from English to this language

716
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: and said, hey, you know, we want to hear from you.

717
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,880
Speaker 1: Have you heard this ping? Have you experienced it? Do

718
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: you have a recording? Let us know? And nobody answered.

719
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: For one reason or another. Nobody answered, but I want

720
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 1: to go back here. They're interesting things about Doug Brown's investigation.

721
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: He says there's no viable reason to put sonar in

722
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: the area. So he rejects the sonar claim. He says,

723
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: the current is too strong, there's too much ambient and

724
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: background noise. Even if you wanted to do it, you

725
00:45:34,239 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: wouldn't get workable results, you know what I mean. So,

726
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we we've seen plenty of examples

727
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 1: of the media maybe rolling with the story before confirming

728
00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 1: all the details because it sounded cool. Uh, there's you know,

729
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,280
Speaker 1: a way to kind of sex up something that maybe

730
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 1: there isn't confirmed evidence for not to say they're making

731
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: things up out a whole cloth, but we've definitely seen

732
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: this in our research time and time again. Um, So

733
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: could the pain possibly have just been a rumor that

734
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: got out of hand? I mean, it seems to me

735
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: that the biggest report that that we've heard of in

736
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: this case is those folks on the boat from the

737
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: top of the show that didn't record it on their

738
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: cell phone. I don't even think we had names. So

739
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: it certainly sounds like that's possible and that it could

740
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:25,760
Speaker 1: have potentially been kind of, um, let's say, escalated based

741
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: on something that we all know well, uh, the idea

742
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: of fear, the idea of being concerned about self preservation,

743
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,280
Speaker 1: and then something that's out of your control to maybe

744
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: explain it away or to at the very least, you know,

745
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: assign something to blame. And that would be the changes

746
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: in migratory routes. Um, this notion that these sea creatures

747
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 1: sea mammals that were so commonly seen in that in

748
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: that particular area we're gone this year. But we also

749
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 1: know that there's other things that can lead to changes

750
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,840
Speaker 1: in migratory routes. Right, Yeah, I want to go back

751
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: to uh. Second interesting point about Doug Brown's investigation that

752
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: I speak, I think speaks to what you're talking about. Uh.

753
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:11,480
Speaker 1: There's an interview you can read with Vice and they

754
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 1: do excellent work, especially through Motherboard, where in Brown says,

755
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:18,280
Speaker 1: you know, he doubles down. He says, I never spoke

756
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: to a single person who said that they had any

757
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 1: faith in the reality of this ping, much less said

758
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:29,000
Speaker 1: they had heard it themselves. And in fact, when he

759
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: spoke with members of the Legislative Assembly, he he asked them,

760
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 1: you know, the day one question you would ask in

761
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: this situation, He said, why does it seem like so

762
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: many papers initially reported hearing this noise? And the legislative

763
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: members said that was a quote misunderstanding of the media.

764
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: No one in the community, as far as this assembly

765
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: person knew, had actually heard the ping. And this is

766
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 1: odd because it wasn't just one paper reporting these eye

767
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 1: witnesses accounts. With this, the Army thus considered the case closed,

768
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: and now it leaves us with several possibilities. One is uh,

769
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: one is the idea that you brought up a second ago,

770
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,680
Speaker 1: NOL the change in migratory patterns that's something people can't

771
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: really fight immediately, right that that stuff has to change

772
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 1: over time. It's like a train. It takes a while

773
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: to get started and it takes a while to stop.

774
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: But as we were, as we were talking about earlier

775
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 1: before the break, Matt, let's go back to the possible

776
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 1: submarines cover up idea. So when Doug Brown, after he

777
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: was sent to the area, the government considered the case

778
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: closed and they pretty much shut down the story, any

779
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: further investigation, any official comments. They were basically saying they

780
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: want none of it. I don't know pause. I was,

781
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, fellow listeners, I was writing, I was writing

782
00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: to the gang off air, and I was like, I

783
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,520
Speaker 1: refused to apologize for this terrible pun. I'm sneaking in

784
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: and now I feel lighter. I feel physically like you're

785
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: certainly not alone. I mean, I'm looking at the YouTube

786
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: comments on the video that I was talking about about

787
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 1: reasons you should move to none of it, and the

788
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: first comment says, how much of that province is inhabitable? Answer?

789
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: None of it? Oh sick burns all day? And then

790
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: and then and then everyone and then everyone proceeded to

791
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: school this guy. It's not a province your moron. It's territory.

792
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,479
Speaker 1: So you're a big dumb dumbhead and your pun was bad.

793
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: And there's there's no solid proof of any cover up

794
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: at this point, like there's no declassified documentation, there's no

795
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:48,319
Speaker 1: deathbed confession, no former intelligence officer or anything. But there

796
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 1: is solid proof to your earlier point, Matt, that the

797
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 1: melting ice of the Arctic Circle has made the region

798
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:59,200
Speaker 1: a geopolitical hotspot. Think about it. There are billions of

799
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: dollars to be made in future Arctic shipping routes. They're

800
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: also potentially billions of dollars to be made in extracting

801
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 1: resources from this area. It is therefore, at least in

802
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: this kind of my opinion, it's not a fact, it's speculation,

803
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: but it is plausible that foreign powers, including the US, Russia, heck,

804
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:23,360
Speaker 1: throw China in the pile. As long as we're adding

805
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,040
Speaker 1: up scary superpowers, they could be snooping around. And to

806
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: your point about about hidden technology, all it's possible they

807
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,879
Speaker 1: could be doing it largely undetected. The motivations are there.

808
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:41,320
Speaker 1: If not the means, hey don't discount the Canadian Secret

809
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: Submarine Group whatever it's called. There's I don't even know

810
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 1: if it exists, but there's gotta be one, right, there's

811
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: gotta be some kind of secret Canadian super cold submarines.

812
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: They're so cool. But I just I couldn't. I couldn't

813
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: be in one for a long time. I don't know

814
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: about you, guys. I think I would. I don't think

815
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: I would deal with it. Well, yeah, I mean, do

816
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 1: you do you have any kind of uh claustrophobia? Ben? No, No,

817
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: I mean I I guess I've never really been in

818
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: a situation where where it would be that bad. But

819
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 1: I do have dreams sometimes where I'm like packed into

820
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: like a pipe or something, you know, and it's not pleasant. Uh.

821
00:51:21,680 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 1: The idea of being buried in a coffin really freaks

822
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: me out. So that's sort of how it seems like

823
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: it would be only for a very very long time.

824
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 1: It takes a spence. I mean, it's a rare set

825
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: of skills. You know, people who are submariners are dedicated

826
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 1: and focus. You'd have to be. And I didn't mean

827
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: to imply that be on a submarine for a longer

828
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: time than you'd be buried in a coffin. That's that's

829
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: a weird thing to say. I apologize. It's totally fine.

830
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you can imagine just the horrors of submarine

831
00:51:50,640 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: flatulence and just I think we talked about this, uh

832
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 1: this last time subs came up. Just the overall smelliness

833
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: of it all. It's definitely a thing. Yeah it is.

834
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: And everybody listening to this currently on a submarine. Give

835
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: us your favorite or your your weirdest sub smells stories. Uh.

836
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: You can contact us directly any time of day or night.

837
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: There's one last note for this. We've laid out the

838
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:26,879
Speaker 1: broad categories the possibilities here. But whatever the ping is,

839
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: whether or not it actually exists, there is one thing

840
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 1: for sure. We do not need some mysterious noise to

841
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: explain the increasing decline in animal populations we have. We

842
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: have the culprit for that. It's us, it's human civilization.

843
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: We will kill these animals out soon enough. And then

844
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: this is not to be preachy. These are these are

845
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:53,240
Speaker 1: just facts. This is the process. These animals are specially

846
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:58,959
Speaker 1: adapted for a specific environment, and that environment will will

847
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: likely cease to aist. So if you if you feel

848
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: bad about that, go check out polar bears. While you

849
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: can be careful, they will kill you. They are dangerous,

850
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: dangerous things. But but you know, I mean, we're it's

851
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous to ignore the fact, the objective truth of

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Speaker 1: the matter, and this is a show that deals in facts.

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Speaker 1: Is that this this, this question about the ping may

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Speaker 1: well be moot. The animals are disappearing, that's that's just true. Well,

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Speaker 1: and you know, not only are the animals disappearing, the

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Speaker 1: ice is disappearing, um. And that's the product of climate change.

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Speaker 1: And when the climate changes, the animals, they they find

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Speaker 1: other places that are more suitable to their to their

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Speaker 1: climate needs. So I do certainly think that that does

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Speaker 1: seem to be the most plausible explanation here, um, because

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Speaker 1: unlike the winds or hum uh, the none of it

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00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: ping has not been solved and and remain in something

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Speaker 1: of a mystery. You're right, at least a mystery for

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Speaker 1: now until we discover that sub terrestrial submarine base at

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Speaker 1: the bottom of that street, which we will find in

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Speaker 1: It'll take a while, but we'll get there. Um. I'm joking,

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Speaker 1: of course. But you know, there is one thing here

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Speaker 1: that we didn't really discuss. Yes, what if the sound

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Speaker 1: wasn't mechanical in nature or a vehicle or an experimental

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Speaker 1: piece of machinery. What if it was biological? What are

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Speaker 1: you saying, Matt, Are you saying some sort of unknown

872
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Speaker 1: organism could be responsible? Could be scaring off the other

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Speaker 1: known animals? Careful, my friends, we cheeter on the precipice

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Speaker 1: of cryptozoology. Oh you mean like a locknest monster kind

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Speaker 1: of situation, Like a giant Arctic sea monster maybe, but

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Speaker 1: you'll have to wait until next episode to hear about it. Now,

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Speaker 1: se wontster. Oh gosh, guys, the gates of possibility are

879
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Speaker 1: flung wide open. The horizon of creepy stuff rushes forward

880
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Speaker 1: from the future to meet us. You guys know, the

881
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Speaker 1: only thing I'm scared of more than like birds is

882
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Speaker 1: giant underwater monsters. Really, yeah, I think I talked about

883
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Speaker 1: it a while back on an episode, Like I always

884
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Speaker 1: have dreams that I'm like in this vast sea and

885
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Speaker 1: there's a giant presence beneath me and I sense it.

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Speaker 1: And that's not that I'm worried about getting eaten. It's

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Speaker 1: just the very existence and presence and being in the

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Speaker 1: proximity of such a thing is very Oh it makes

889
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Speaker 1: my blood run cold. So what do you think, folks?

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Speaker 1: You know, in the past episodes, we've seen mysterious noises

891
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 1: trace to industry like the winds or hum or, natural

892
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 1: causes like shifting earth or ice. That would be that's

893
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: the most widely accepted explanation for the bloop. But do

894
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Speaker 1: you think there's something else here? Do you think there's

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Speaker 1: Do you think there's a mundane explanation? Do you think

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Speaker 1: there's some kind of uh difference between what's actually happening

898
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Speaker 1: in the official narrative? Have you yourself heard this ping?

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