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Speaker 1: Hi everyone, I'm Rachel Zoe and you're listening to Climbing

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Speaker 1: in Heels for your weekly dose of glamour inspiration and

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Speaker 1: of course it's fun. Well, the time has finally come.

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Speaker 1: So many of you have been commenting on my Instagram

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Speaker 1: or sending dms that you're rewatching the Rachel Zoe Project. Sue,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was finally a time to rewatch season

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Speaker 1: one myself and give you a little behind the scenes

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Speaker 1: insights on what was really going down. A few guests

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Speaker 1: and visitors will be popping in to help me break

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Speaker 1: it all down, and I'm joined by my producer Mary

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth to keep me on track. So here goes nothing.

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Speaker 1: Because I am asked probably every other day about my

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Speaker 1: former assistance on the show being Brad and Taylor. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I'm not doing this series to talk about

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Speaker 1: Brad and Taylor. I'm going to make it real easy.

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Speaker 1: I don't talk to either of them.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: I am not friends with either of them. I don't

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Speaker 1: know what they're doing and I wish them well, and

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Speaker 1: so I'm not here to answer a million questions about

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Speaker 1: my relationship with them. So I just want to lay

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Speaker 1: that out there on the table. This is not a

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Speaker 1: you know, you wish them well.

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Speaker 2: I wish them well, and we're going to rewatch through

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Speaker 2: your eyes exactly amazing, which is, by the way, I'd

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Speaker 2: like to also throw it out there, really hard.

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Speaker 1: For me, really hard for me. It's a little bit

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Speaker 1: of like, this is your life.

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Speaker 2: So Rachel literally just watched episode one with me and

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Speaker 2: another colleague of ours, and how are you feeling.

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Speaker 1: How do you feel overall? I feel completely weird. You

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Speaker 1: feel weird. I feel weird. I feel like I kind

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Speaker 1: of know why everyone makes fun of my voice. I

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Speaker 1: don't know why I talk like this. I guess it

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Speaker 1: was my birth given voice. Yep, but it really sounds

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Speaker 1: crazy to me. I cannot believe how much hair and makeup,

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Speaker 1: how much hair and makeup I actually had on. And

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Speaker 1: it was funny because Joey Malouf, who you know, I

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Speaker 1: still speak to now and then, and he'll just be like,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe you didn't fire me after the first

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Speaker 1: season from making you look that crazy. I agree.

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Speaker 2: I'm in the court of opinion that you looked like yourself.

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Speaker 2: You just had darker eye makeup on.

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Speaker 1: I think we just didn't know, like what the camera

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Speaker 1: Joey's defense, I think you just piled it on, thinking

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Speaker 1: like terally if you're in like TV lighting, which we

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Speaker 1: were not, you're in reality show.

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Speaker 2: So you're going in and out of like actual setup

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Speaker 2: lights to natural light to a little bit of light too.

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Speaker 1: You could see the really intense bags under my eyes light, yes, yes, yes.

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Speaker 2: How do you feel when you hear the theme music?

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Speaker 2: I haven't it in so long that it just made

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Speaker 2: me like smile. I was just like, oh my god,

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Speaker 2: we're going back finally.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm really like sort of reliving a again,

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Speaker 1: like this is your life. Like I have all these

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Speaker 1: girlfriends now that are like, oh my god, I'm binging

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Speaker 1: it again. Oh my god, let's do a viewing party,

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Speaker 1: let's whatever. And when you did this, it's what And

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Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, it's a blur. And I think for me,

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Speaker 1: it's completely wild to watch and I I feel myself

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Speaker 1: inside my head when I watch it. If that makes sense, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: how I was feeling. That's a good thing. I will say.

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Speaker 1: I do seem completely unaware that there was a camera

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Speaker 1: on me, which I can't figure out was a good

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Speaker 2: Well, look, we're season one, episode one, you're you're a newbie.

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Speaker 2: You're a newbie, and my one of my favorite things

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Speaker 2: was that you're intro your intro video package. Is you

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Speaker 2: shopping for vintage yea, which I'm sad to say doesn't

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Speaker 1: Well, I think if you watch the show, which happened

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Speaker 1: I have a major event, what vintage could toure count?

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Speaker 2: So you were really, I mean you you really were

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Speaker 1: Well, I also was truthfully making so much money and

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Speaker 2: Like we were a successful heart of Dink, Yes exactly,

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Speaker 1: Yes we were dual income, no kids, and Roger and

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Speaker 2: So the episode kicks right in with a fitting. You're

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Speaker 2: fitting for Joy Bryant, who was a client of yours

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Speaker 2: for a while, right a couple of years, and she's

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Speaker 2: going to the Art of Elysium gala, which is a

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Speaker 2: Vogue event in Los Angeles, and we as an audience

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Speaker 2: get to see your studio for the first time, which

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Speaker 2: was also your home.

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Speaker 1: So you've been doing work from home before, long before

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Speaker 2: Long before there was a pandemic. What was it like

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Speaker 1: right because the clients I was working with, a lot

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Speaker 1: like throughout my entire career, my social life and my

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Speaker 1: So I would always give them the options. Some of

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Speaker 2: And everything you need as a stylust is there, or

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Speaker 2: Okay, So there's a scene where Joy Bryant puts on

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Speaker 2: But question Joy is going. So in your studio the

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Speaker 1: was alway a close friend, right yeah. So, and don't

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Speaker 1: forget like Brad was new, so these girls were not

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Speaker 1: for me ever. Ever, so you got this question a lot.

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Speaker 2: Was Brad hired before the show or was the show.

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Speaker 2: The more you know, there you go, the more you know.

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Speaker 2: So it doesn't work out for Joy with the dresses

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Speaker 1: So then Joy, for those of you that don't know,

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Speaker 2: Venture to a place to seemingly pull more looks for Joy,

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Speaker 2: aka you shop yourself at decades. So tell everybody about

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Speaker 2: Decades what it is, what.

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Speaker 1: It was, Well, Decades Bill is here and it was

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Speaker 1: at the time one of the number one and also

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Speaker 1: one of the very first like luxury vintage shops in

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Speaker 1: well of designer clothes. But I know Cameron as sort

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Speaker 1: Iconic Decades, is a longtime friend of mine and wanted

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Speaker 1: to share his thoughts on the show.

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Speaker 3: I remember shooting the Scissor reel for the Rachel Zoe Project,

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Speaker 3: and this was really before Nonscripted and fashion television had

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Speaker 3: merged together. So Rachel was really the first to create

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Speaker 3: a reality television show about fashion and styling and Hollywood dressing.

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Speaker 3: So there was a lot of interest when the show

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Speaker 3: you know, all of these years later, people will say, oh,

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Speaker 3: I first knew about Decades because of the Rachel Zoe project,

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Speaker 3: And I remember Rachel coming into Decades and wanting a

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Speaker 3: burke in or an evening gown. So it's really nice

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Speaker 3: to have those memories and realize how the show was

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Speaker 3: an incredible part of demystifying Hollywood and red carpet dressing

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Speaker 3: and vintage and it really all started with Rachel.

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Speaker 1: I love you so much, Cameron, and thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 1: thank you. Right, you know, get something. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: never left their empty handed out he's your really won't

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Speaker 2: So then you head into this branding meeting, you call Roger.

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Speaker 1: to me, oh, Rachel, we need this from you, and

438
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: I just kind of like ignored them and just like

439
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 1: I did me because I just felt like I wasn't

440
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,679
Speaker 1: going to lie to people, and like just being my

441
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,919
Speaker 1: authentic self was very important to me in the show

442
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 1: and being unscripted. And you know, of course there's like

443
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: those interview things, you know, in between where they try

444
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,600
Speaker 1: and get information about the scenes and stuff. Then that's fine,

445
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,639
Speaker 1: But I think in terms of us shooting, especially in

446
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 1: something like that, I remember feeling very torn and in

447
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:33,159
Speaker 1: a tug of war within myself because I loved styling

448
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,920
Speaker 1: so much, and I loved what I was doing so much,

449
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,439
Speaker 1: and I loved my clients so much. Yeah, but I

450
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 1: was working twenty four seven, and I was also trying

451
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 1: to figure out it was very obvious to me, or

452
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: starting to be very obvious to me, that my clients

453
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,719
Speaker 1: wanted me there, and if I couldn't be there, they

454
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,840
Speaker 1: didn't really want my assistance there. Sure, And I you know,

455
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: I understand it, because you know, when I think about it,

456
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: it's sort of like if I'm hiring a lawyer and

457
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 1: I'm paying that lawyer. Yep, I don't want their associate.

458
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 1: I want them, right of course, So I get that

459
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 1: the problem is being a stylist is very hard to

460
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:19,639
Speaker 1: scale because it's based on you. You don't have anything tangible,

461
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,680
Speaker 1: you don't own anything, so it's a service business. And

462
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: so I was sort of trying to figure out where

463
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: I land in the future because I don't think it's

464
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,119
Speaker 1: sustainable to do this forever. And so how do all

465
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: these opportunities coming at me? Like, you know, we want

466
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,640
Speaker 1: to take the Rachel's O brand, it's a household name.

467
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: We want to do bedding, and we want to do kids,

468
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 1: and we want to do champagne glasses, and we want

469
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 1: to do you know, housewares and all these figrants and

470
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 1: sunglasses and all these things that are signature to you.

471
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:57,120
Speaker 1: And that really excited me a lot. And then I thought, Okay,

472
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: I barely have time to take a shower, So how

473
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: am I doing that without letting down my clients? Right?

474
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: And so I think for me that was a daily struggle,

475
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 1: you know that I was dealing with every day, right,

476
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: I was really thinking about it, and you know me, like,

477
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 1: I don't stop thinking opportunities are coming in.

478
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 2: You want to be able to like jump on it,

479
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 2: ride the lightning, but it's going to be at a

480
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 2: cost of the relationship. You have with your clients, or

481
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 2: hinder the work you're able the amount of work you're

482
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 2: able to do for each client, which totally I could

483
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: definitely see that. But isn't it crazy for you to

484
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:45,160
Speaker 2: watch that branding meeting now when you've had so many

485
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: opportunities now that like the Rachel Zoe name label brand

486
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: is absolutely out there in the world and successful and

487
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 2: people talk to you about it all the time and

488
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 2: they're interested in your products, and like, isn't that like.

489
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 1: Pinch me, like a dream come true? Like you made

490
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 1: it happen. Well, it's weird because I have not watched

491
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: my show until just now. I have not watched my

492
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 1: show since two thousand and eight fifteen fourteen whenever I

493
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: finished it, I mean fourteen. Oh okay, okay, I thought

494
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: you were going to be No. No, I just mean

495
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,639
Speaker 1: like I haven't. I really haven't watched it. No, I know,

496
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: and I think so it's hard for me to sort

497
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 1: of be like, Wow, I dreamed all these things and

498
00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: look they happened until like as we're sitting here talking,

499
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: because I don't know that I remembered dreaming them because

500
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: they've happened in real time. So it's sort of like,

501
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: I think, like life happens so fast, right, And I

502
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: think the most polarizing part of my life has been

503
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: becoming a mother, and so for the last thirteen years

504
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,479
Speaker 1: it's almost like being a mom is up here, and

505
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: then all of these businesses and opportunities are like right

506
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: under that. So I think there's like this like mask

507
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: over it a little bit where you're like, be the

508
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: best mom, be the best at work.

509
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: The woman who was sitting in that chair, who was

510
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,679
Speaker 2: so scared to have that meaning a because you were

511
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 2: scared about what they were going to present to you,

512
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: would be you didn't have Roger. You're a safe person there.

513
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 2: You did it yourself. And now you can look back

514
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 2: and say, you've that girl sitting in that chair definitely

515
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 2: did what.

516
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: She set out to do. Yeah, and it's also weird

517
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 1: and then some And by the way, I'd like to

518
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: also know none of it was with those people that

519
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: I had.

520
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 2: True true, But and it happens a little bit later, Yes,

521
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:38,640
Speaker 2: in a big way. It happened a little bit later.

522
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,160
Speaker 2: But you should be proud of yourself.

523
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:45,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess I am. I mean I like it. Yes,

524
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's really amazing to see and I think,

525
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 1: you know, I always kind of joke that my life

526
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: has been a blur, and I think when I do

527
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: interviews or we talk like this, and I'm like, yes,

528
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: all of that did happen. It happened, And you know,

529
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: I think I think any I think busy woman would

530
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: probably say there aren't really so many moments where you

531
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 1: stop and pat yourself, right sure, And then I think,

532
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 1: I think now I would say, you know, I still

533
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: have a lot left to do. I still love what

534
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: I do. I have the greatest team in the world.

535
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 1: I don't have people that make me uncomfortable, and I think,

536
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: you know, I think that comes with experience. Yeah, I'm age,

537
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: you know.

538
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely, I think definitely you've seen a lot, a

539
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: lot more than that girl that said at the end

540
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: of that conference table.

541
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the naive part of me has gone

542
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: out the window, right right.

543
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: So you do say one of your quotes in episode one,

544
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: fashion puts me to sleep at night and wakes.

545
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 1: Me up in the morning.

546
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: Do you think that's still true, I mean, other than

547
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: physically your kids.

548
00:28:56,920 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, yeah, yeah, I would say in the literal,

549
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: since my kids put me to sleep and they literally

550
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: wake me up. I set my alarm in thirteen years.

551
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: But I would.

552
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: Say, in some respect, yes, you still feel that passionate

553
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:14,480
Speaker 2: about I.

554
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 1: Do, but different I do, but different because fashion is

555
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: you know, I will say this. When I walk into

556
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: my archive, I still light up. I light up. I

557
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: light up, and I look at the things in my

558
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: archive as if every single piece in there is a

559
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: piece of my life, like I really genuinely do. And

560
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: I have no regrets about spending the most ridiculously insane

561
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: amounts of money on my collection because I look at

562
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: every single thing as a story. Yes, And I would

563
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: say that fashion when I it is still a huge

564
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: part of me and a part of my soul for sure. Yeah.

565
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 1: And I think I always look through a lens of

566
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: fashion in everything I do because I'm constantly changing things

567
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: and wanting things to look pretty. And my sister was

568
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 1: just here and she just laughs at me because she's like,

569
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 1: go to sleep, and I'm like rearranging things in the

570
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: kitchen and the way the candle is and the book

571
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 1: is sitting or whatever. She's like, what is wrong with you?

572
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is wrong with you that this doesn't

573
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: bother you? Right? What's wrong with me? What's wrong with you?

574
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: So the answer is yes, just different. It's okay, okay, yes,

575
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: but different you different worries. I'm not worrying about Cameron

576
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 1: Diaz's shoe that may not work with her doorca tore

577
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: gown she's wearing for the oscars, right, So I don't

578
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: think about that anymore, gotcha? Which is comforting. Yeah, because

579
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: that was a really noisy place to be in my head.

580
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: Oh god, I'm sure. I'm sure. And by the way,

581
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: at no fault of Cameron's no, not at all. It's

582
00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: my own psychotic self that would just lie away staring

583
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: at the ceiling, or like worrying that brad Pits jeans

584
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: weren't going to fit right, or they weren't going to

585
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: be worn worn in properly to his liking.

586
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: You've given yourself a title of psychostylist disease, and it's true.

587
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: I'm plagued with it for life and you still have it.

588
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: It just came out las weekend with sky.

589
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: Oh I know, it's never it's it's it's in your DNA.

590
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 2: It's never going away, never going away. Another standout about

591
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 2: episode one for me was that you have a scene

592
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 2: in a sushi restaurant, and I literally laughed out loud

593
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 2: because if anybody knows anything about Rachel, like I don't

594
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: think I've ever.

595
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: I don't need sushi. I've never and you've.

596
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 2: Lived in La for a long time now and she

597
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: has never ever ventured into the sushi.

598
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: Realm or an Asian restaurant. I can't eat it right,

599
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 1: I'm literally allergic to it. There's something in it that

600
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: I'm highly allergic to that I developed later in life,

601
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 1: like in my early twenties, I all of a sudden

602
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 1: just would like fall on the floor in pain from

603
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: eating any Oh. And by the way, like that said

604
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: like tyv and these food is my favorite, like we're

605
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: French Vietnamese food at like indoshine and stuff, or was

606
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 1: the best food in the world, my favorite And I

607
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: just but sushi's in no fly zone for me. Any

608
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: raw fish's gross.

609
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 2: So when I saw the placement for this scene, I

610
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: was literally like one thousand percent this has nothing.

611
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: To do with you.

612
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 2: This was a production production was like, let's go to

613
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: this sushi spot. We're gonna film a scene about yes,

614
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: X Y and Z you guys, sort of reprimanding Taylor

615
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 2: about being too hot on Brad.

616
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: Essentially a lot of and a lot of locations that

617
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: you see are typically because they allowed us to shoot, right,

618
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: they were a hundred permitted to shoot. Yeah.

619
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: Anyways, I thought that was so funny. I was like,

620
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: oh my god, Rachel was at a sushi restaurant.

621
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 1: No, never, I've changed a lot, said no, one, you've

622
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: changed a lot. Okay.

623
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: So the episode, towards the end, you guys finally find

624
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 2: the right dress.

625
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: For Joy for Art of a. It's the red sack, right.

626
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a gorgeous Zach Posen red gown. She looks

627
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 2: so beautiful, so stunning, And the best part that's still

628
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:17,719
Speaker 2: so fucking true is you get Joy ready. She's literally

629
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: coming over or this could be real life or production.

630
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 2: I don't know how this panned out timeline wise, but

631
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: she's supposed to be going like to the event from

632
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,680
Speaker 2: your studio, like right, and it's last minute, right, and

633
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: you're like fumbling around, and of course Rachel has no

634
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 2: idea what she's gonna wear because you were also.

635
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 1: Attending the Art of Elysium.

636
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: And I'm like, wow, that that shit is still true.

637
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 1: Ye yep.

638
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: You don't often know what you're gonna wear until you're

639
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 2: flying out the door, Like.

640
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 1: Actually, I really don't. I can't commit to it, I

641
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: can't think about it. I was so much more obsessed

642
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: with what my clients were wearing than what I was wearing. Yeah,

643
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: like a thousand percent.

644
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: You even talk about that, You're like, yeah, the joy

645
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 2: for me is seeing them light up and them feel beautiful,

646
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 2: and you just like, but what did you end up

647
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: throwing on?

648
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: It was like a vintage not Ossie Clark. It was

649
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: a vintage like not Sondra Roads. It's on my head.

650
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 1: It was this black strapless from my archive. It's setting

651
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: this gorgeous like black strapless with like white tears with

652
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: black trim. Is it like tissue chiffon or something. I

653
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: think it was so skazie. I think it was a

654
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: vintage skazy gown and it was, Yes, it was chiffon.

655
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: It looked so like delicate and beautiful. It was. It was.

656
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: It was super comfortable, And I'm just laughing because I

657
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: think about it, and I'm like, you know, it's funny

658
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 1: because you know it's such a girl thing, like a

659
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 1: jealous girl thing when they go what are you wearing?

660
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: And sometimes girls are like I don't know when they

661
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: fully know, but the gatekeeping, the gatekeeping, and my friends

662
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 1: know me so well that they actually know. I don't know,

663
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: right right, I'm not keeping it from you. I actually

664
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: don't know.

665
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: You actually have thirty five thousand brand names going through

666
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: your head in a given second. Yes, So another takeaway,

667
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: you have your hair half up and half down I know,

668
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: which I.

669
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: Hate so much. And I looked at that and I

670
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: hated it so much? What is your beef with that?

671
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 1: I hate it? Why I hate it? I think because like,

672
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: what is the trauma? I'll tell you half up hair

673
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: the trauma is. I think it reads Homecoming Queen a

674
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 1: little to me, and it reads when I was little,

675
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: my mom did that with breats a lot, And when

676
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 1: I look back, it really made my earstick out, and

677
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. And I don't even have big ears.

678
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: I actually weirdly have small ears, but you don't. You've

679
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 1: never had big ears. I just it seems very bridesmaid,

680
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:52,720
Speaker 1: not in that good way, because didn't you still argue

681
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: or bicker with Jennifer Garner about that, Like she wanted

682
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 1: to wear half up, half down hair, and you'd be like,

683
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: over my dead body. Pretty sure. I got in a

684
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: few fights with a deer about half up, half down

685
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: because he liked it or he was on your camp. Okay,

686
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: he liked it, and I did it, and I was like,

687
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: do anything you want, just don't do half up, half dout.

688
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,240
Speaker 1: And one time he did it and he called me goes, whoops.

689
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: I just it just really was the best thing for

690
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: the dress. And I'm like, no, was it but one

691
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 1: of maybe one of two disagreements I ever got in

692
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: with the deer.

693
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: Really, I couldn't imagine you fighting with him in a

694
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 2: real fight, right, It was just like a yeah.

695
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: But I was deeply disheartened. That's really said about it.

696
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 1: But that's my point. Yeah, those things don't put me

697
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: to sleep anymore. The anxiety, and when I tell you

698
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: it was a polarizing panic, yeah, that I would have

699
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: about these things. And I very clearly remember like middle

700
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 1: of the night panics, like sweats, like cold sweats, about

701
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: gowns not showing up for a huge event, shoes not

702
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: being dyed the right color, like the client not being

703
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: happy the jewelry was taken by an evil stylist that

704
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: hated me, or like you know, my first choice Valentino

705
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 1: went to another stylist like those were the things that

706
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: were really polarizing at that time. And I don't know

707
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: that those kinds of things happen as much now because

708
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: I really didn't hear that a lot from stylists that

709
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: I'm friends with.

710
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 2: I feel like the industry is very different than when you.

711
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 1: I think the evil pettiness doesn't exist the way it did,

712
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: and I think the you know, we used to have

713
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 1: to fight for the dress off the runway, like I

714
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: would almost like tackle the model, like I would just

715
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: be like, give this to me, and I'd like literally

716
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: go backstage after the show and literally say to Oscar

717
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: like I want look one twelve, you know whatever, and

718
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: then they'd have to go to sales, and then Bergdorf

719
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: needed to see it, you know, and then we would

720
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: wait and we would get it literally literally like the

721
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: morning of the event, right, you know, it was terrifying.

722
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: That is reflected in the show. I mean, yeah, oh yeah,

723
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: as we keep putting that that is real, That is

724
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 1: so real. I cannot explain to you and God and

725
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: so and in kindsight, like it's weird because I knew

726
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:26,480
Speaker 1: very clearly that we weren't saving lives. I knew very

727
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: clearly this was not brain surgery, This was not saving

728
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 1: lives in any way, and these were not real life problems.

729
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: But in the moment, with the amount of pressure from

730
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: the actor or the musician or whoever I was working,

731
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: with the amount of pressure from the studio, the publicists,

732
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: the hair and makeup people, that the teams right that

733
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: were hiring you, that we're paying you for me, the

734
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: panic was generated. And you know me well enough now

735
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: after years, I cannot let a client down. And that

736
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 1: for me was a polarizing feeling that pretty much governed

737
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: my existence as a stylist. I cannot. I want my

738
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 1: client to be the happiest, most confident that they can

739
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: ever be, and if they don't feel fucking amazing when

740
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: they go out there, I suck, right, And that was

741
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 1: that a lot of pressure. That was my thing, and

742
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: I just and then you have all those people looking

743
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,879
Speaker 1: at you, and you know, and also it's that thing

744
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: where like because I was considered to be the best,

745
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,320
Speaker 1: you know, it's sort of like you got to stay

746
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: there right right. You can't fuck up?

747
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I mean, nor do you want to,

748
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: like you're such a person.

749
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: No, But That's what I'm saying. I was driven by

750
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: the the way that like Cameron would look at me,

751
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: or the way that Ava or Selma or Kira or

752
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,479
Speaker 1: Kate or any of these people, the way that they

753
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 1: relied on me to deliver. It's sort of like, no

754
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: matter how nice they were, you still had that you

755
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: carried that responsibility. And I think it's important to understand,

756
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 1: not to get too deep, but like you know, coming

757
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: off the Daily Front Row Awards recently, where you know

758
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: stylists spoke about what it means. Hairstylist A Deer talked

759
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: about the power of hair, and I think as a stylist,

760
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 1: for me, it was never about the dress, sure, it

761
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: was about what they were going through in that moment

762
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: and how terrifying it is to put yourself out there

763
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 1: in front of the world and if you don't feel

764
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: your best, your shit, you feel like shit. Yeah, And listen,

765
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: you've been with me enough where when i'm you know,

766
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: and I am no one compared to any of these people.

767
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: But on the smaller scale, when I feel like, oh

768
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 1: my hair is shit, my face shit, my skin, I'm tired,

769
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,959
Speaker 1: I look like there's like tears that out because there's

770
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,439
Speaker 1: this like anxiety and nerves that overcome you. And there

771
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: are a few clients that I was lucky enough to

772
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: work with that had that innate confidence where they didn't

773
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: have that insecurity that could be polarizing, like Kate Hudson, right,

774
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: like throw on the dress and be like, babe, let's

775
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: do it. You know, stunning Still, I mean it's still

776
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I mean I get that you definitely.

777
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 1: I think, to your credit, have made all of your.

778
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: Clients feel like their most beautiful, best sexiest, most confidence self.

779
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: Well, listen, I would say that right before I retired

780
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: from styling, I should say took a long pause. Sure

781
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: was one of my greatest styling moments with Jennifer Lawrence

782
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: and she I'll never forget it because she looked at

783
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: herself in the mirror And it was right after Ive

784
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: Caius and she looked at herself in the mirror right

785
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: as she walked out the door, and I was holding

786
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: her big train to make her lay down the card. Yeah,

787
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: and she said it's fine if I don't win, because

788
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: I look the best, you know, and that and she

789
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,359
Speaker 1: said it in her typical like Jen Lawrence funny yes,

790
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 1: like of course, I fucking look good, you know. And

791
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,239
Speaker 1: then I at that point I just was like, I'm

792
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: done right like that, I'm good now. That is the job.

793
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: That was the job, right, and I just said, like,

794
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: I can be done now right. So much of it

795
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: is out of your control, So much.

796
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: Of it relies on other elements coming together for the

797
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: perfect thing. But at the end of the day, it's

798
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 2: a service industry. If your client looks at you and says,

799
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: I feel amazing, it's.

800
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: Like you check, that's it? Did it? Yep? It can

801
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: be that simple, it's not.

802
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: It takes a lot, yes, but ultimately the payoff sign

803
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 2: off is when your client goes, I feel so beautiful.

804
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: Yes, and that's all you need. It's amazing, It's amazing. Okay.

805
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 2: We did have a lot of questions come in that

806
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 2: we didn't talk about that. I do want to hit

807
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 2: on okay before we wrap.

808
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: Up about episode one. Okay, can you.

809
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,959
Speaker 2: Bring back the layering of the long tank top over

810
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: a cropped jacket.

811
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: It looks so comfortable. I think we need it back,

812
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: so meaning longer layer under short jacket exactly. Yes, you

813
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: yourself were wearing a lot of I still wear it, right,

814
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 1: I still wear it well, because most of my jackets

815
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 1: are shorter and I like to wear tunics under that.

816
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: I just I'm more comfortable with that. Though I'm someone

817
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: who yes, the answer is yes, I will bring it back.

818
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: I will start wearing it again and put it up

819
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: on my story. Gotcha a client?

820
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 2: A client question we did get that I thought was

821
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 2: interesting was did you ever have a conversation with a

822
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 2: client of yours that was coming on to the Rachel

823
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 2: Zoo project that said to you, I'm nervous about doing this,

824
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,720
Speaker 2: or I'm anxious, or I I you know, I'm nervous

825
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: to do like a reality doc you TV thing, or

826
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: was everybody like I'm an actor and it's cool, or yeah,

827
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 2: this is fun.

828
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: Not many. It was mostly let me think about this. No,

829
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:22,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It was more like, no, I'm trying to think.

830
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember. I think Anne Hathaway, if I

831
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: remember correctly, was like a little she was a little confused,

832
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: like how to be right, like because they have to

833
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: be themselves right right, And I was like, just do

834
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: you it's not a character right? Yes? Is you? Do

835
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: you? You know? Yeah, I'm trying to think. I think it

836
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: was more like a little tongue in cheek. It was

837
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: more funny, like they were sort of like what do

838
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: I do? And I just remember being like, just do you? Like,

839
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: don't pretend nothing's happening. We're just doing us.

840
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 2: Another question you got a couple of times, was have

841
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: you ever been on other reality TV shows?

842
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: Other reality TV shows? I was on The Simple Life,

843
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:08,320
Speaker 1: You were on The Simple Life.

844
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: I was on which is also coming back, Like what's

845
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: going on with that?

846
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: And a teasing it. No, I don't think it's a joke.

847
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 2: I think they're going to do some sort of rebirth

848
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: of the Simple Life, and I'm here for it.

849
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: I thought it was a joke, but I maybe it's not.

850
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: I don't think it's a joke. I'm dying. Okay, Well

851
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: stay tuned for that. It's old is new. There we are.

852
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 1: What else was I on? I was on Project Runway.

853
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 1: I was on Project Runway a bunch Like I think

854
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 1: I did Project Runway like five times.

855
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: You were on I mean it's not stop Model. You

856
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: were on an America's ACCEP Model and you were as

857
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 2: you did gossip Girl, which wasn't.

858
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: Reality TV, right, And I did Entourage and you did Entourage. Yeah,

859
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: those were your like, major, Well, what's so amazing is

860
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: now I'm rewatching Gossip Girl with my kids because their

861
00:45:56,239 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: friends are watching it. Skyler's girlfriends are like rich original

862
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: tional one. Oh yeah, okay, there's only one. There is

863
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: only one, and every guy wants to be Chuck Bass

864
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, sky nice, try, you are innate. Archibald,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you are innate. You are not a check.

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Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I'm here for that though.

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Speaker 2: I think he should be the check. I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I don't Chuck. Yeah, he likes Blair, Blair over.

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Speaker 1: Over Serena Okayan Blair, Well, he likes Brunette's. It's just

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Speaker 1: like not his mother. Yeah, I mean I get that too.

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Speaker 1: I totally get that.

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