1 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: Everybody. 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 2: It's Thursday, January twenty third, twenty twenty five. Welcome to 3 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. 4 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: We're Haters with a heart to be your man named 5 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 1: g Marcus. 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 2: Grant, joined by Michael F. Florio and Lakwan Jones. And 7 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: I say that because so Floria, I gotta give credit 8 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 2: to the Bills Mafia, because y'all are weird. Y'all are 9 00:00:32,880 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 2: obnoxious and very much over the top. But the Bills 10 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 2: Mafia does have a reputation for helping out people that 11 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: help them. You know, I remember obviously the Andy Dalton 12 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 2: thing when the Bengals, you know, helped you guys get 13 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: into the playoffs and in the playoff drop and the 14 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 2: most recent one. Now I see that Bill's Mafia is 15 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:57,280 Speaker 2: donating to diabetes research in honor of Mark Andrews. So, 16 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,040 Speaker 2: you know, while on the one hand, Mark Andrews and 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: his drops sort of helped you guys along in the 18 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:03,840 Speaker 2: AFC Championship. 19 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: Game, it's nice to say Bills bar feels giving back. 20 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is They've done this a couple of times. 21 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 3: I know they did it. Uh, this is a second 22 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 3: time with the Ravens. They after beating them in the 23 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 3: playoffs a couple of years ago, they donated to Lamar's charity. 24 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: It is a very unique thing. I don't know of 25 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: any other. 26 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 3: Fan base that does this, but that's what makes it 27 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 3: so cool. And I did see, speaking of haters, I 28 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 3: saw someone on Twitter being like, did I ever donate 29 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: when the player beats them? And it's like, no, man, 30 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 3: that doesn't that's not in the nature of what this is. 31 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 3: Like this is like, all right, we beat you. 32 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 1: Guys, but at the end of the day, like it's 33 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: bigger than. 34 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 3: Football or whatever, you know, so like it's like losing 35 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 3: a fight after that, he just got completely whooped and 36 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 3: it's like, all right, here's twenty bucks. I know it 37 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: doesn't make things better for Mark Andrews, but I'm sure 38 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 3: it's got a just a little like even if it's 39 00:01:57,440 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: one percent, he's got to be like, all right, some good. 40 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: Came out of this, yeah, yeah, And why would you 41 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 2: even think that, Like no, of course you're not going 42 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 2: to donate after the team beats us, Like no, of course, 43 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 2: not like they gotta win, Like why do I need 44 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 2: to help them? 45 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: More? So small percentage it has to be tongue in 46 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: cheek though, like it's like, mm yeah, thanks, guys. Yeah, 47 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. It just feels like it's a thing 48 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 1: now and like people are noticing it even more now, 49 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: and like if they do this next year, and let's say, 50 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:27,080 Speaker 1: you guys go all the way to the Super Bowl, Like, 51 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: do they reward the Super Bowl losers? Like, maybe let's 52 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,839 Speaker 1: maybe two more weeks. Let's get ahead of ourselves here. 53 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: You're right, well, we will. 54 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 2: We will predict the championship games at the end of 55 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 2: the show today because obviously this is our last one 56 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: before Sunday hits, So I will. 57 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: Get to that a little bit later on. 58 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 2: We'll continue our exit interviews picks thirteen through sixteen in 59 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: the upcoming drafts. So we're hitting pretty much the halfway 60 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: spot of the first round, but starting with a couple 61 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 2: of news headlines, both involving teams in the AFC East. 62 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 2: So Floria will play close attention because this impacts you directly. 63 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: Starting in New England, where what is old. 64 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 2: Is new again, the Patriots are expected to hire former 65 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 2: offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels as their next offensive coordinator. This 66 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 2: is not a complete surprise, guys. We had heard this 67 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 2: rumor recently, like a week ago. I think I gave 68 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,320 Speaker 2: a deep sigh of disappointment on the pod when we 69 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: first talked about this a little while ago. But it 70 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 2: looks like it is going to happen. Mike Vrabel, we know, 71 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: was announced as the head coach. Now Josh McDaniels is 72 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 2: coming back. They're going to try to get the band 73 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 2: back together. I guess I don't know. I mean, look, Florio, 74 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 2: we've seen Josh McDaniels as an offensive coordinator. He's certainly 75 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: better as a coordinator than he has been as a 76 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: head coach. You are maybe the number one Drake May 77 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: stand on this show. Is this a good thing for 78 00:03:57,960 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: Drake May? 79 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 3: I want to say yes, and I agree he is 80 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 3: a much better coordinator than he is head coach. But 81 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 3: I'm also not positive of that because, like, look at 82 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: his years as an OC with and without Tom Brady, 83 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 3: Like it's night and day. And I understand, like when 84 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 3: the Patriots lose Tom Brady twenty twenty twenty twenty one, 85 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 3: it was Mac Jones' rookie year all of that, like, 86 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 3: but it's still like all of his success has come 87 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 3: under Bill Belichick and Tom Brady, and those. 88 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: Are outside of maybe my holmes and Reid, which. 89 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 3: Are trying to make a case for it. Though that's 90 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 3: the greatest head coach quarterback duo in NFL history. Tom 91 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 3: Brady's the goat. So I still have questions about this, 92 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 3: but I do ultimately think it is a good thing 93 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 3: because we have seen McDaniels get the most out of 94 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 3: his offenses in New England, and even more than that, 95 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 3: we've seen him be able to work when he has 96 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 3: quarterback talent, and that is what I belie Drake May is. 97 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 3: But man, I wish there was a like, don't you 98 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 3: guys wish you could just leave your job whenever you 99 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 3: wanted to go somewhere else and it was always just. 100 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:13,719 Speaker 1: Sitting there waiting for you to come back. Absolutely, that'd 101 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: be a great situation in any job situation. But I 102 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: feel like this is the third time, guys, we're in 103 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: the third time this guy's going to be in that 104 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: building calling plays. And you know, my expectations are for 105 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: Drake May to be like this quarterback that we know 106 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: he could be because the talent's there. I mean, Florio 107 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: talked about it all season long of like you just 108 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: see that wow in him every time you watch the game, 109 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: and like the upside is there. And the good thing 110 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 1: about this though, it's not like with adding McDaniel's it's 111 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: gonna like shoot up any of these Patriots players ADPs like, 112 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: I'll take the discount on Drake May, I'll take the upside. 113 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: I'll take a Demerio Douglas. And you know, who knows 114 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: what they do in free agency, who they bring in. 115 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:54,239 Speaker 1: There's some free agents available, some trades that could happen. 116 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think this seems like a 117 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 1: comfort move for the Patriots and a little familiarity, you know. Therefore, 118 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 1: that's one hundred percent with this. This is absolutely a 119 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: comfort move. It is it is getting the band back together. 120 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: It is trying to rekindle the glory years that they 121 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: had for literally two decades. And I say this as 122 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: a USC alum and Stan watching that program try for 123 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: years unsuccessfully to sort of rebuild the Pete Carroll era, 124 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,719 Speaker 1: like after he left and went to Seattle and the team, 125 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, they hit probation for a little bit, and 126 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: they struggled to try and rebuild things. They just kept 127 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:36,599 Speaker 1: bringing in former Pete Carroll assistants as coordinators and head 128 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: coaches and hoping that it would somehow respark the magic 129 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: and it never did. Now, Look, I think we all 130 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: agree like Mike Rabel is a good coach. He did 131 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: the most I think with very little, relatively speaking, in 132 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 1: Tennessee for a number of years. So maybe there's some 133 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:52,160 Speaker 1: optimism there. 134 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 2: And yeah, Josh McDaniels was the offensive coordinator for some 135 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 2: of their better years. But as you mentioned, they had 136 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 2: Bill Belichick running the show, they had Tom Brady at quarterback, 137 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: and they had a lot more talent across the board 138 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 2: than they do right now. I mean, yeah, their wide 139 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: receiver room was probably better this year than it had 140 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: been the last couple of years. 141 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:13,239 Speaker 1: It still wasn't good. 142 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we talked about the two rookies 143 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: that they drafted with Polk and Javon Baker, and those 144 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: guys combined for making make sure I get this right, 145 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: thirteen catches for ninety nine yards not good really, but 146 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: anywhere we're talking about like, yeah, I'll take a flyer 147 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 2: on the Mario Douglas sixty six catches six hundred and 148 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: twenty one yards. I'll take a late round dart throw 149 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 2: at kay Shawan Boody forty three for five eighty nine. 150 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, Drake May shows some flashes and ideally 151 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: he does improve and. 152 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: Progress this year. 153 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 2: This is a team that still doesn't have a lot 154 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 2: of talent, and so that's why there's not gonna be 155 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: a big bounce. I mean, all these guys come in 156 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 2: a big discount because it's all sort of hope and 157 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: good luck that that we're looking at when it comes 158 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 2: to fantasy. So I don't know. I mean, I said 159 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 2: Josh McDaniels. Obviously he's had some success there. I know 160 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: that's the reason they're bringing him back. He's familiar with 161 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 2: the whole Patriot Way thing and whatever. It just it 162 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 2: just feels lazy. 163 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: It's it's it's. 164 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: A it's another reboot, right, it's we we live in 165 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: a world with three Spider Man twos, that's what this is. 166 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: Man and how many Batman? Like how many times have 167 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: we got to watch Batman parents die? Like it's one 168 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: of those things too, Like come on, hey man, hey 169 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: Thomas and Martha, maybe don't go to the theater. 170 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: Or maybe just wait and leave till everybody else leaves 171 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 2: and don't walk down an alley like. 172 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: What are we doing here? Yeah? Zero wasn't that good 173 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: when it came out like you don't have to go 174 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 1: see that. 175 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:46,959 Speaker 3: I do love when a movie, like something like a 176 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 3: Batman will take it and put their own spin on it. 177 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 3: They're like, it's gonna be a similar story to what 178 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 3: you know and expect, but we're gonna like that's what 179 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 3: I wanted this Patriots regime to be. But like it's 180 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 3: the same, same old, and this is the most important 181 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 3: Hive was gonna make if he's overlooking the defense and stuff. 182 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: But I don't know. Yeah, I don't know. So we'll see. 183 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 2: We'll see if this is actually like a good rebooting 184 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,200 Speaker 2: sequel or I don't know, like if it's like the 185 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:15,319 Speaker 2: New Coming to America or something. Oh god, I actually 186 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 2: didn't see that. It just seemed like a bad idea, 187 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 2: that's all I saw it. 188 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: You're on par you're on track. 189 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 2: Okay, great, we will stay in the AMCs because the 190 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 2: Jets have made a higher. This sertment floating around for 191 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 2: a couple of days, but Aaron Glenn is the new 192 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 2: head coach of the New York Jetropolitans. He played there 193 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 2: at some point during his playing career as well. Lakwan, 194 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 2: you had a lot of hate in your heart and 195 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 2: you let it out about the Lions on Tuesday's show. 196 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,199 Speaker 2: Do you want to continue to pray and dance around 197 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 2: at their potential downfall? 198 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: You're gonna be the bigger person here. No, I'm sure, man, 199 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: I can't do in any situation if I wanted to, Like, no, 200 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: absolutely not, let's go the tray is down bad. But 201 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn, I mean, look, I'm happy for that Jets defense. 202 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: I mean, Sauce Gardner had a down year. I mean, honestly, 203 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: he wasn't hisself. So you look at Jets DST as 204 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 1: a fantasy option if you still have DST out there 205 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: in your leagues, Like I look at this as a 206 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: huge plus, you know, for the defense to get back 207 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: on par and then honestly, who knows what they're going 208 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: to do with that offense? Honestly, I mean Zaron Rodgers stain, 209 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 1: is Davante Adams staying Like these are questions that we 210 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: still have answered in January, and like as soon as 211 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 1: the season starts getting closer, that's when we could really 212 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 1: start a mold and see how this team's going to 213 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:31,479 Speaker 1: be as a culture. Is it going to be the circus? 214 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: Part two? Is it going to be Jersey Shore, like 215 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 1: we don't know man, Like we're all over the place 216 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: with this Jets team. Yeah, and I think I don't know, Floria. 217 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 2: I don't know that I can get high or low 218 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: on the Jets offense until we figure a lot of 219 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 2: things out right. I mean, we don't know who the 220 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: coordinator is going to be. We don't know who the 221 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: quarterback is going to be. There's just so many questions 222 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 2: marks that. 223 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: We don't know who works there. We really don't. 224 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 2: I mean, we don't know whose key card still gets 225 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: them in the door. 226 00:10:57,040 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 1: We have no idea. 227 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 2: So I guess until then, we can't really make any 228 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 2: actual evaluations on what to expect from this offense, can't we? 229 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 3: No, No, I because there's way, of all the thirty 230 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 3: two offenses in the league, this one might. 231 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: Have the most variables going into the offense. 232 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 3: Because there's so like they have talent in place with 233 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,400 Speaker 3: Brice Hall, with Aaron Wilson, with DeVante Adams, but DeVante 234 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 3: I believe is a free agent. 235 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: Wilson has already asked to leave Aaron Rodgers futures up 236 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: in the air. 237 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 3: But I do like this hiring because the Jets have 238 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 3: a lot of talent on defense and that is their 239 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: path to success in the immediate future. So I think 240 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 3: trying to go all in on what your strength is 241 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 3: is smart. But my first takeaway with this was like, 242 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 3: first time head coach, defensive minded head coach. Obviously the 243 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 3: OC who they hire matters, but like, if you're Aaron 244 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 3: Glenn right now, do you want to hit reset on 245 00:11:52,400 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 3: that offense or are you thinking, Hey, keep Aaron Rodgers 246 00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 3: in place, keep the talent that we have on offen. 247 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 3: I will get this defense to where it needs to 248 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 3: be and we could be contenders like. 249 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: We thought all along. 250 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 3: So look, I could easily be wrong, but I feel 251 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 3: like this hiring maybe pushes it to a sense where 252 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 3: they run it back with the offense. 253 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: But again, who knows. 254 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: Ah, Yeah, I don't know. The Other part of this 255 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 2: is the Jets are still looking, as of the hiring 256 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 2: of Glenn look for a general manager, which is sort 257 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 2: of weird that you're hiring the coach before the GM, 258 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 2: because now you know, ideally you find a general manager 259 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 2: and your head coach, your your visions are aligned, you 260 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 2: have an idea of how you want to move forward. 261 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:44,079 Speaker 2: Its just it seems like a backward process. But we're 262 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 2: also talking about the Jets, So. 263 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I do think we've seen a change in 264 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 3: the last like five or so years. 265 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:53,880 Speaker 1: Where it used to. 266 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 3: Be hire the GM, the GM hires the coach. Now 267 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 3: I feel like it's kind of the flip and the 268 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 3: head coach is the most important. Were in higher for 269 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,080 Speaker 3: these teams, and they're like letting the coaches help them 270 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 3: figure out who the GM is going to be. And 271 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 3: it's worked out in some places and it has not 272 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:09,559 Speaker 3: in others. 273 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the Jets. 274 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 2: Will We will wait further instructions before we can kind 275 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 2: of give you any further analysis we expect from the 276 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 2: Jets this year. But I'm turning our attention now to 277 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 2: the exit interviews as we continue a long picks thirteen 278 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: through sixteen in the draft. At number thirteen, it's Miami Dolphins, 279 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 2: who were eight and nine this past year. We went 280 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 2: right Von Hense the fantastic season, followed up a great 281 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 2: rookie year with an outstanding sophomore campaign nearly fifteen hundred 282 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 2: scrimmage yards, seventy eight catches, twelve touchdowns, just shy of 283 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 2: three hundred PPR points. There he was the RB five 284 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: and as you may or may not know from listening 285 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: to the show. John and Smith had a good year 286 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: this year. Eightyhch is eight hundred and eighty four yards, 287 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 2: eight touchdowns. He was the tight end four and for 288 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 2: that reason, Kwan got to cosplay as Evil Alman Ross 289 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 2: Saint Brown for a couple of days. 290 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 1: Blonde, the blonde bandit, The blonde bandit, That's what it was. Uh, 291 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: what went wrong? 292 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill an underwhelming season, less than one thousand yards, 293 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 2: eighty one catches, nine hundred and fifty nine yards, six touchdowns, 294 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 2: Wide receiver eighteen. For a lot of guys not named 295 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 2: Tyreek Hill. That's a pretty good year for him, a 296 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 2: guy that was being drafted in the top five in 297 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 2: some leagues. 298 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: Not so much. Jalen Wattle even more frustrating. 299 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 2: Fifty eight catches, seven hundred and forty four yards and 300 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 2: two touchdowns, Wide receiver forty six. 301 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: Florida. 302 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 2: You obviously are in the same division. You watch a 303 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 2: lot of these games. Have we soured on Mike McDaniel 304 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: is has the Mike McDaniel experience hit its ceiling now? 305 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: Not for me, I think, I mean. 306 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 2: Only for you as a fan. Obviously, you want the 307 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 2: Dolphins to keep being average. 308 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 3: So yes, I think for real, like he has done 309 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 3: a lot of beating up on bad teams, and his 310 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 3: offense to have struggled against good teams. 311 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 1: I think that's more. 312 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 3: On Tua than on him. I think Tua is a 313 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 3: very limited quarterback. I think when things are right, you 314 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 3: can win with Tua and and when things are on script, 315 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 3: he is amazing. But when his first read isn't there, 316 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 3: or when there's pressure or anything goes not according to plan, 317 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 3: and that is not on the coach after that point. 318 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 3: The coach can only coach up to a certain point. 319 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 3: After a certain point, it's on the player to improvise 320 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,080 Speaker 3: and make a play. And that's where Tua sense to 321 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 3: lack a bit. But I think he's a good like 322 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 3: I care about fantasy more than anything, and he is 323 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 3: a good coach for fantasy. 324 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: Like. 325 00:15:45,720 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 3: He had a top five tight end this year, a 326 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 3: top five wide receiver. I know the I'm sorry, top 327 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 3: five running back. I know the wide receivers disappointed, but 328 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 3: for years they were both awesome for fantasy purposes, Tua 329 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 3: was really good. So I think it's a situation where 330 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 3: maybe some retooling it got a little stale. This year, 331 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 3: you need to retool a little bit. But I still 332 00:16:08,200 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 3: think Mike McDaniels is one of the better offensive minded 333 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 3: coaches in the NFL, and if the Dolphins were to 334 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 3: let him go, I think another team picks him up 335 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 3: pretty quickly because of the success that he has had. 336 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 3: And this year, more than anything, was like Toua wasn't available, 337 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:27,520 Speaker 3: and that's not on him. 338 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 1: I get it. 339 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 3: They didn't play well with backup quarterbacks, but take the 340 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 3: starting quarterback away from most teams and their seasons over 341 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 3: right then and there. 342 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna I'm gonna ask you this one. Lakwan 343 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: tu a sung of Iiloa or Trevor Lawrence. 344 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: Funny, I'm taking two. I'll take two of it. When 345 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: he's hurt over Trevor Lawrence. Wow, do you have hating 346 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: your heart? Let it out like I just. 347 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: Because I mean, I asked you that because I know 348 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 2: I know how you feel about Trevor Lawrence, and I 349 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: guess I sort of wanted to get how you feel 350 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 2: about Tua and that tells me a lot. 351 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:07,159 Speaker 1: I mean, like Florio explained, like his lack of as 352 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: you know, his quarterback struggles when he doesn't have his 353 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: first raid and et cetera, et cetera. It's more so 354 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: of the health, Like it's more so is he going 355 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: to be available for this team? And that again does 356 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: not fall on Mike mcdaime. That doesn't even fall on 357 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill. And I understand Tyreek's frustration. I mean, look, 358 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: he had a down season. I mean it's his first 359 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,360 Speaker 1: season with less than seventeen hundred yards. That sounds insane, 360 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: like that's his first season with the Miami Dolphins, I 361 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: mean with less than seventeen hundred yards. But you get 362 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,479 Speaker 1: his frustration of just having a quarterback available for him 363 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: so this team can win, so this team can be 364 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: competitive within that division, because I would hate to be 365 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: to Miami Dolphins with all this talent, all these tools, 366 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: and you're on the kind of same part of the 367 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: circus with the Jets, and you're watching the Bills go 368 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,760 Speaker 1: out there and dominate, Like it's sad to see in 369 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: its frustrations, But like Mike Florio said, it, it's more 370 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: so of like you had a top five tight end, 371 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,240 Speaker 1: a top five running back, get your quarterback on the 372 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,520 Speaker 1: field healthy, and just execute the plan like doing these 373 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: last couple of seasons. 374 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:05,239 Speaker 2: Do we believe Floria that Tyreek really wants out of 375 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,159 Speaker 2: Miami because remember, like it was like a how is that? 376 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 2: You know, how it started? How it's going sort of thing. 377 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 2: I get started, He's just like, I love it here, 378 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:11,679 Speaker 2: My family loves it here. 379 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 1: I don't ever want to leave. 380 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 2: By the end of the year, He's like, I can't 381 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 2: be here no more. I gotta be out. Like do 382 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 2: we really think that's gonna happen? Or was this just 383 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 2: like a frustration heat of the moment sort of thing. 384 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 3: I think it's more that. I think it's more frustration 385 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 3: from and it was remember how this year started for 386 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 3: Tyreek and the Dolphins, and like he wasn't fully healthy 387 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 3: and stuff, and then like Tua gets hurt in week two, 388 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 3: like and misses six weeks at that point, so like 389 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 3: their season was pretty much over before it started. They 390 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 3: had to like scratch and claw their way out of it. 391 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,159 Speaker 3: And uh, I think because of where he is in 392 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 3: his career, Tyrek is going to push to want to 393 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 3: go somewhere else because he has what maybe another two 394 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 3: years at playing at an elite status. 395 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: One thing I haven't heard anyone. 396 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 3: Talk about is like, what this year the start of 397 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 3: a decline for Tyree Hill because speed players fall off 398 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,560 Speaker 3: a cliff in this league. So because of the money 399 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 3: he's owed and because of his skill set in his age, 400 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 3: I think most likely scenario is that he is back, 401 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 3: but I would not be surprised at all if he's pushing, like, 402 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 3: put me on a contender, Put me on a contender. 403 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 3: And I've already seen him photoshopped in like four different 404 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 3: teams jerseys in this offseason, So that's gonna happen either way. 405 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, to your point, he will be thirty one by 406 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 2: this time next season starts turns thirty one on March first, 407 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: So you are starting to get to the age cliff 408 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 2: for wide receivers. Maybe not as dramatic as it is 409 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,239 Speaker 2: for running backs, but it does exist. And as you're 410 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,239 Speaker 2: to your point, when speed is a big part of 411 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 2: your game, when that starts to go, it starts to 412 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 2: become a little more difficult to continue to perform at 413 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 2: the same level that you have been previously. 414 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 1: Where do you guys gauge drafting him though, Like I mean, 415 00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: is he still a first round. 416 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's still a first round pick to me. At 417 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:05,199 Speaker 2: the worst, he's early second round. Like, yeah, he's not 418 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: gonna last much into the second round. 419 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 1: Oh my mock. I got him at two oh six, 420 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,400 Speaker 1: so that's actually a little further down it. But let's 421 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: played a game real quick. Yeah, I know. 422 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 2: As soon as I said it, I started thinking, I'm like, well, yeah. 423 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 1: Because you got Luco, I got Nico in front of him, 424 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,959 Speaker 1: I got aj Brown in front of him, and then 425 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: I got a Monra and Brian Thomas Jr. Out of 426 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 1: those groups, are you gonna take Tyreek over those guys? 427 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 2: Nico is the one to me that I don't know, Like, 428 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 2: obviously he was fantastic this year, he just seems volatile, 429 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 2: Like I just don't know if if he continues to 430 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 2: perform at that level. Because we talked earlier, we talked 431 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 2: on Tuesday about how late in the season he sort 432 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 2: of fell off and how he's sort of tied to CJ. 433 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: Stroud for the near future. 434 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 2: I'm who knows what else happens when that wide receiver 435 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 2: room in Houston, Like, I see the ceiling for Nico Collins, 436 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,119 Speaker 2: but I also think the floor is maybe a little 437 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 2: more unstable than we wanted to be. 438 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 3: Brian Thomas was the name that I was like, I 439 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 3: can I could be convinced to go either way here. 440 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, he's another one. 441 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: I know I fired off the Brian Thomas is a 442 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 2: first round pick, like right after the season started. But 443 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 2: that's another one where you know, I sat down and 444 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 2: I had a good night's sleep and a cup of 445 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 2: coffee and I'm like, all right, lady, let's let's rethink 446 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 2: that idea. 447 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: No, but the fantasy stres are with you though, Like 448 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: I've seen this multiple times that people were like skyrocking 449 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: him to the first round. I can't pull the trigger personally, 450 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: but he's definitely in that early second round ballpark. 451 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, early second round feels a little more comfortable 452 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 2: to me now, Like. 453 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: Immediately I was like, yeah, first round. Then I'm like, uh. 454 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 2: Wait a minute, hold on, let's let's reevaluate things. And 455 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,400 Speaker 2: then yeah, so that's kind of where I am right now. 456 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 2: So all right, so Tyreek then maybe second round pick? 457 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 2: Well interesting, Yeah, well that's not to workshop that as 458 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: we as we keep going this offseason. For sure, it 459 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 2: was weird, like it feels nasty though it didn't feel right. 460 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 2: You guys were getting start and say questions in your 461 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: DMS about if you're going to start Tyreek Hill, Like, 462 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 2: I think once we hit that point with a player, 463 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: it's kind of like I can't take this first round investment, 464 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 2: Like he's off the border the first round. 465 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's true. All right, let's move on. 466 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 2: The number fourteen pick goes to the Indianapolis Colts. They 467 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 2: were also eight and nine this year. Jonathan Taylor was 468 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 2: fantastic as usual, fifteen hundred and sixty seven scrimmag yards, 469 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 2: twelve touchdowns. He was the RB twelve. Josh Downs had 470 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 2: something of a breakout season, maybe not a full breakout, 471 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 2: but the beginnings of one seventy two catches, eight hundred 472 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:38,479 Speaker 2: and three yards, five touchdowns, So where it went wrong. 473 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 2: We were very excited about Anthony Richardson. We had a 474 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,400 Speaker 2: small sample size his rookie year, but it was enough 475 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,399 Speaker 2: to wet the appetite and get us all fired up 476 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 2: about what could be this year. We were all like, yeah, 477 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 2: this guy has top five upside. There were even people 478 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,560 Speaker 2: who were going so far as to say he could 479 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 2: be the QB one overall. 480 00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: He was the QB twenty five. 481 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 2: Yes, that being said, Lakwan, how are you approaching Anthony 482 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:04,440 Speaker 2: Richardson in twenty twenty five? 483 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,680 Speaker 1: Very cautiously. And I say that because it's like, if 484 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: I'm in leagues where I have to draft two quarterbacks, 485 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 1: he will be my second quarterback. Because you do believe 486 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: that there was a night and day change once he 487 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: got bent and then he got back into the game. 488 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: They started playing into his strends and more design runs, 489 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: Like if he keeps on running, he gets more fantasy points. 490 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: Like I think it's that easy and simple to play 491 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: to his strengths and kind of keep the weapons around, 492 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 1: like hit this draft, get moral line, get another tight end, 493 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: Like there's some needs for this team, and like you 494 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 1: look at the wide receivers and you got to really 495 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 1: honestly look at like Anthony Richson, who is he going 496 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: to be his wide receiver one? And like that needs 497 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: to be, you know, in stone so he can hyper 498 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: focus on how to keep this offense moving, how to 499 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: keep the chains going, how to convert the third down, 500 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: be a red zone threat. That what he is because 501 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,719 Speaker 1: in that small sample size last season, we saw what 502 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: was it, like seven touchdowns in like two and a 503 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: half games that could be on par And that's why 504 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: we were so hyped for him to be a QB 505 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: one because it's in him. It's there. It's just more 506 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: so of like, is the coaching staff going to play 507 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: to his strems and not trying to make him fit 508 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,479 Speaker 1: into an offense that they envision and just play what 509 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: Anthony Richid can do. 510 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 2: So then if we if we go to that idea 511 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 2: and I know Florida, we were all excited about the 512 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 2: rushing ability to touchdown upside. Lakwan mentioned they need to 513 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 2: find a wide receiver. One we thought it was Michael 514 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 2: Pittman Junior. He finishes the wide receiver forty one. It was, 515 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 2: It wasn't great, And so I just I look at 516 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 2: it as if they decide to play to Richardson strengths, right, 517 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,600 Speaker 2: if they create more design runs, if they create more 518 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: easy throws, does this mean we're out on Colts wide 519 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 2: receivers then for me, yeah. 520 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 3: It's very weird because as excited as we all are 521 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 3: for Anthony Richardson for fantasy purposes, in the upside that 522 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 3: he brings, I would say, as of right now in 523 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 3: his career, he is a net negative to every other 524 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 3: Colts offensive player for fantasy purposes because Michael Pittman Junior, 525 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 3: like he was not a top forty wide receiver this year, 526 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 3: he was the wide receiver thirteen. Last year in the 527 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 3: wide receiver fourteen in points per game. Like, this is 528 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 3: a guy who prior to this year three years in 529 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 3: a row being a top twenty wide receiver. And look 530 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 3: at the quarterbacks, it was like Gardner, Minshew and other retreads. 531 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 3: He was productive with those guys. So I don't think 532 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 3: this is a wide receiver issue. I don't think Michael like, yes, 533 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 3: he was playing hurt through the back injury, all of that. 534 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 3: Josh Downs looks good at times, Alec Pierce looked good 535 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 3: at times, Like I don't think this wide receiver room 536 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 3: is one of the best in the leagues or anything 537 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 3: like that, but there's some talent there. 538 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 1: And Anthony Richardson. 539 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 3: You look at his game log, like pass numbers were 540 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 3: never really great. The completion percentage at times was below 541 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 3: forty percent. And I say this as someone who is 542 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,119 Speaker 3: very much so rooting for Anti Richardson and wants him 543 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 3: to be awesome. What also stood out to me was 544 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 3: Jonathan Taylor had less I believe it was less than 545 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 3: twenty catches last season. Like, it's just not it's a 546 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 3: style of play that is good for him for fantasy purposes, 547 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 3: and yeah, eighteen catches for Jonathan Taylor last year and 548 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,880 Speaker 3: like career low, So yeah, I think it's he could 549 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 3: be really good for fantasy. Everyone else, I'm I'm not 550 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 3: interested in drafting. And but to Laquan's point, like, if 551 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson gets drafted as a QB two, I'm going 552 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 3: to take him on so many of my teams because 553 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,239 Speaker 3: the upside is just as high as we thought it 554 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 3: was last year. You're just getting him at a much 555 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 3: bigger discount and we know the risk now even more 556 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 3: than we did last season. So if you got to 557 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 3: take him as your first QB, I'm out. If you 558 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 3: could get him as your QB two, Like, yeah, I'm 559 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 3: all on board with that. 560 00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 2: I'm I am going to be curious about what the 561 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 2: general can say is gonna be on Anthony Richardson this offseason. 562 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 2: Here's my other fear with him and Shane Steichen, as 563 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 2: far as we know, still gonna be the head coach 564 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 2: when they fired up in Week one next season. The 565 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 2: way he handled his quarterback situation was about as poorly 566 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 2: as you could have done it right. Yes, just randomly 567 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 2: benching Anthony Richardson bringing in Joe Flacco. Flacco stinks it 568 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 2: up for a couple of weeks, they go back to Richardson, 569 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 2: I mean, and just the way he sort of handled 570 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 2: it publicly, everything about it was bad. But it also 571 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 2: says to me that they don't have supreme confidence in Richardson. 572 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,360 Speaker 2: Whether that's a head coach thing, a general manager thing, 573 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 2: and ownership thing. You just wonder, is this guy gonna 574 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 2: be looking over his shoulder for the next time he 575 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:51,880 Speaker 2: makes a mistake or next time he has a bad game? 576 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 2: Are we going to lose Anthony Richardson as a starter again? 577 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 2: Some of that might have to do with whoever the 578 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,479 Speaker 2: backup's going to be in Indianapolis this year, but that 579 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 2: makes me heat to lean on this guy as a 580 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 2: QB one if he's always going to be on a 581 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 2: short leash. Like all the upside, all the talent in 582 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 2: the world can be there, but right now, the way 583 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 2: things are going, his ceiling is justin fields. I don't 584 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 2: even know if it's that at the moment, I guess 585 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 2: I guess what. Everything's going well, sure, but now we 586 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 2: are relying on him to be an above average runner 587 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 2: at quarterback and hoping he can be at least competent 588 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 2: as a passer, which so far he hasn't shown us 589 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 2: he can be. And that's a little bit too much 590 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 2: risk for me to make him a QB one. But 591 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 2: as we know, people get stars in their eyes when 592 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: they see talent and they see rushing ability and they 593 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 2: see that upside and and all it takes is one 594 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 2: or two people to start kind of a bidding war 595 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 2: for Anthony Richardson and start pulling that adp up and 596 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, the price is maybe not 597 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,840 Speaker 2: where we want it to be. So I am I'm curious, 598 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 2: Like right now, I'm very much out on him as 599 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: a QB one, and I'm willing to just eat it 600 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: if he somehow makes the leap that everybody hopes. But 601 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,600 Speaker 2: I can't, I can't. I can't buy in this year. 602 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 2: There's just there's there's too much development that still needs 603 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 2: to happen for me to buy in. And sadly, sadly, 604 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 2: it's gonna it's going to impact everybody. Like now I'm 605 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 2: staying away from Michael Pittman. I guess maybe I'm later 606 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 2: rounds on Josh Downs. I'm you know, even Jonathan Taylor 607 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 2: comes with some question marks, because if Richardson is running 608 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 2: and he's scoring those goal line touchdowns, that's taking food 609 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 2: off of Jonathan Taylor's play. Like the Colts right now 610 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 2: are very much a mystery box to me that I 611 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 2: don't really want to. 612 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: Touch boats a boat. 613 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,959 Speaker 3: To your point about them benching him, which again I 614 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,479 Speaker 3: agree was very dumb and was very vocal on it, 615 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 3: but they did it last year in year two, So 616 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 3: like that is even more like if he comes out 617 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 3: in year three and looks exactly how he did last year, 618 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 3: they might pull the plug even quicker, and then they 619 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 3: might not go back to him like a lot of 620 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 3: the times in this league, when you get benched, you 621 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 3: don't you don't get to come back and start again. 622 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 3: So it's it's even more risk adding on to him 623 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 3: than last season. 624 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, it just sucks for the wide receivers though, you know, 625 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: like you like Josh downs, you know, for PPR purposes. 626 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: I mean, look, what are you supposed to do with 627 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: this project in the quarterback position? And like Dynasty folks, 628 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 1: I know they're pulling their hair out trying to figure 629 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: out what to do with their past catchers. Like I'm 630 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 1: not interested in it because when you look at the 631 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: numbers last year with these wide receivers, Alex Pierce led 632 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: them in the yards, Josh Down led them in catches, 633 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: and Pittman led them in targets. They all three of 634 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 1: these guys had over eight hundred yards. What are you 635 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,800 Speaker 1: supposed to do with this when you try to figure 636 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,640 Speaker 1: out who let them in yards? Huh? Who let them 637 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 1: in the yards? Alec Pearce, I think I realize that 638 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: until right now. 639 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:47,640 Speaker 3: You guys, remember like week three, I was like, I 640 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 3: think Alec Pierce might lead this team in I should 641 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 3: have humble bragged that. 642 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: I thought, I'm sure. I pasked him. I mean that 643 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: minds you? 644 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 2: Mind you twenty one yards separated, all three of them. 645 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's real nasty, Like that's why I'm like, you 646 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: came and an attached Like if you do go Anthony 647 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: Richardson at QB two, you can't attach them to any 648 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: of the wide receivers either, because it's not going to 649 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: be consistent. You're constantly going to be thinking like do 650 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,280 Speaker 1: I start Pittman this week? Do I start Downs this week? 651 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 1: Do I start piercing this league? Like it's going to 652 00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 1: be real discussing nasty work. So it's a full fade. 653 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,479 Speaker 2: It's just it's they're all three in a situation where 654 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 2: they're too good to just completely ignore and leave alone. 655 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 2: But they're not good enough that you feel great about 656 00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 2: starting them every week Like that is the worst. 657 00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 1: They're most likely going to pop off on your bench. 658 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: Those are the worst type of players where you are 659 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:35,800 Speaker 1: sitting there contemplating can I start them this week? And 660 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: then you don't and they put up like twenty. Then 661 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: the next week you start them, they put up three, 662 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 1: and it's like, know what, I'm done? Like that's when 663 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 1: gets me all riled up and want to toss my 664 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: phone off the balcony. 665 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 2: Our pal hyphen Colion likes to talk about players as 666 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 2: being oatmeal, like they're just good enough, Like they're not great, 667 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:55,360 Speaker 2: Like the Colts wide receivers are oatmeal without like the 668 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,920 Speaker 2: cinnamon and sugar and like, oh god, the raisins and stuff. 669 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 2: It's just it's just we just we just pulled it 670 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 2: out of the pot, threw it in a bowl and 671 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 2: gave it to you like that's it prison food. That 672 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 2: really kind of Colts wide receivers are prison food. It 673 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,479 Speaker 2: feels that way, right, he got them so you can survive. 674 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 2: That's it, man, It's just survival, right. We're not We're 675 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 2: not enjoying our meal. We just need we just need 676 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 2: calories and nutrients. Wow, that's it, all right, We'll take 677 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 2: a break, come back. We got more exit interviews to 678 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 2: dive into. Plus we will take a look at the 679 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 2: championship games for this weekend. That's coming up next on 680 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 2: the NFL Fantasy Football Show, continuing along with the exit interviews. 681 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,280 Speaker 2: The fifteenth pick in the draft belongs to the Atlanta Falcons. 682 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,240 Speaker 2: They like the Dolphins and Colts were eight and nine. 683 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: What went right? 684 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: B Joan Robinson another great year for him, nearly nineteen 685 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 2: hundred strimming yards, sixty one catches, fifteen touchdowns. 686 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: He was the RB. Three. 687 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 2: Drake London had one hundred catch season over twelve hundred 688 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 2: yards and nine touchdowns. He was the wide receiver five. 689 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 2: Darnell Mooney, who I think shocked the world a little bit, 690 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 2: especially early in the season when he really was starting 691 00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 2: to break out. But sixty four catches, nine hundred and 692 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 2: ninety two yards, five touchdowns, Wide receiver thirty one. Yeah, 693 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 2: I know that doesn't necessarily blow you away, but it's 694 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 2: Darnell Mooney blows me away, who had no expectations of 695 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 2: that whatsoever? 696 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:20,400 Speaker 1: What went wrong? 697 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 2: Kirk Cousins did not look great in his return from 698 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,240 Speaker 2: the Achilles injury. Just looked like he was a statue, 699 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 2: even more of a statue into the pocket he was. 700 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,960 Speaker 2: The QB twenty three eventually gave way to Michael Pennox 701 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 2: Kyle Pitts tight end fifteen. Like I saw tiny fisty. 702 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm like he was that. 703 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 2: High, Like he had forty seven catches, six hundred and 704 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 2: two yards and four touchdowns a tight end fifteen. So 705 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,120 Speaker 2: I'm gonna ask you, Florio, because I know we have 706 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 2: all You and I have waived the flag. We have 707 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,959 Speaker 2: carried the banner for him for a long time, but 708 00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 2: really no one more than you, to the point that 709 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:57,640 Speaker 2: it's become a running bit on Fantasy Live. 710 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: Are you officially letting the rope on Kyle Pitts? Yeah, 711 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: I uh. 712 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 3: I did so in the middle of this season, after 713 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 3: I started including Kyle Pitts as a weekly sit just 714 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,359 Speaker 3: to be like, hey, justin reminder everyone, like where's there, 715 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 3: like this this is not happening, and you pull up 716 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,319 Speaker 3: his game logs like it happened in the most frustrating 717 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 3: way possible. Because even before I said all of that, 718 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 3: I went on Fantasy Live and I was like, the 719 00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 3: breakout has happened. Ninety one yards, four catches to touchdowns. 720 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:32,760 Speaker 3: He had twenty five points against the Bucks. 721 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: Uh. 722 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 3: This was in late October. I was like, look, he's 723 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 3: been on a hot streak as of late. He is, 724 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 3: this is who he is, this is who he wanted 725 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 3: him to be. 726 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: All of that. He topped fifty yards one time from 727 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: that point on. Uh. 728 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 3: He he had one, two, three, four, five, six games 729 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 3: with fewer than twenty yards in that stretch. So yeah, 730 00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,919 Speaker 3: like he fell behind Darnol Mooney in the pecking order. 731 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,800 Speaker 3: Cardeneral Hodge was ahead of him in certain games. You 732 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 3: got the running backs they're getting right Like it's and 733 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 3: I know it's gonna happen. The whole fantasy community is 734 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 3: gonna be out on Kyle Pitts and then people are 735 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 3: gonna start hyping him up as a late round sleeper. 736 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 3: And look if maybe I get sucked into that and 737 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 3: they thrown him in some best balls or whatever, but 738 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,399 Speaker 3: that's all he can be. Like if he gets pulled 739 00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 3: up any higher than that, I might surprise you guys. 740 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 3: As the Bills fan on this show, I think Dalton 741 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 3: Kinkaid also belongs in that similar group. Like all hype, 742 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 3: we have not seen it yet translate to production on 743 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 3: the field, So until we do. My biggest takeaway from 744 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,080 Speaker 3: the season, guys is I'm not going to start pushing 745 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 3: up tight ends like I did in the past few 746 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 3: years with those two tight ends, thinking they could be 747 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,200 Speaker 3: elite until we see them do it, because I've been 748 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,839 Speaker 3: burned far too many times thinking Okay, this player has 749 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 3: the talent, he's going to take that next step, and 750 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,400 Speaker 3: then it just has not happened. 751 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 2: I know we're still little way away from talking about 752 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 2: the Bills in their offseason, but like when you said 753 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 2: daltinkin Kaid, in my head, I was just like, but 754 00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 2: I could. And I was immediately like, Oh my goodness, 755 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:09,880 Speaker 2: I'm gonna Kyle pitts him. I'm going to come up 756 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 2: with excuses for why it hasn't happened and why it's 757 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 2: going to be better this year. Like literally you were 758 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 2: saying that, it's like, but Duncan kid, you can say 759 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 2: that he went through the and they had this gid 760 00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 2: and then I was just like, Oh my goodness, I'm 761 00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 2: really gonna do this again. 762 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:24,880 Speaker 1: With another player. 763 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 2: I reserve the right to still do it with Dalton Kinkaid, 764 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 2: but you know, maybe maybe it'll later time. 765 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,080 Speaker 3: For sure, Look if Egles as a late tight end 766 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 3: one sure, but like Titan five six, I can't. 767 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 2: I can't keep doing that. I don't think that's gonna happen. 768 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 2: I don't see that happening at all with him, for sure. 769 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 2: We're talking about Kirk Cousins and the fact that he 770 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 2: gave way to Michael Pinnox, which means it's time to 771 00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 2: see who will deliver. Presented by Uber eats Lakwan again. 772 00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,240 Speaker 2: Michael PINNOCKX finished as a top twelve quarterback next season. 773 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: That's juicy, man. I mean, very very small sample size, 774 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 1: top twelve, maybe at twelve. I'll give him that. Maybe 775 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: right outside that you're just hopeful and excited to draft 776 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,160 Speaker 1: these skilled players at the Falcons guy. I mean you 777 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: like the small samples that he saw he can move 778 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: around in the pocket. I mean Kirk Cousins, he was 779 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: looking like he had life alert, you know, ready on call. 780 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: He could not move around, So you're just hopeful for 781 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,200 Speaker 1: the upside that he can go out there and execute. 782 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,760 Speaker 1: The one thing you did like though, he was making 783 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: quicker decisions in the pocket than Kirk, Like Kurt was 784 00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,080 Speaker 1: just holding on to the ball too much and he 785 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,600 Speaker 1: can't move. So there's a couple of games that if 786 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 1: you watch, you know that Pennix was playing. It's the 787 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,600 Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers one that I watched back yesterday, and it's 788 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: like he's moving out of pocket so fluent, and he 789 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,400 Speaker 1: knows where his guys are. So you're just hopeful for 790 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: that upside that he could deliver, and you know he 791 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,200 Speaker 1: can air it out. I mean, that's all he was 792 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:49,120 Speaker 1: doing in college. He just wanted to go downfield. And 793 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,200 Speaker 1: you look for guys like Darnel Moody that are going 794 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: to be cheap this season. That's going to be everywhere 795 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: on my roster, by the way. So I think Pennix 796 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 1: has the ability to deliver to the players that we 797 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,120 Speaker 1: care about on off keep Jon in the red zone, 798 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: keep Darnol Mooney down threat, and keep Drake London just 799 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: as alpha wide receiver that he's shown that he could 800 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 1: be this season. So I'm all in for him delivering 801 00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:10,680 Speaker 1: this season. 802 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,680 Speaker 2: So top twelve right and in no particular order, Josh Allen, 803 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, Joe Burrow, Jaden Daniels. What is 804 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 2: that that's six right there? Let's put in the top twelve. 805 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 2: Let's put let's let's put both knicks in the top twelve. 806 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:36,440 Speaker 2: Right Holmes, I'm taking Moth Mahomes. I mean, we can 807 00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,760 Speaker 2: still put golf in there, like forget the postseason, regular 808 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:40,240 Speaker 2: regular season, Jared Goff. 809 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,799 Speaker 1: We can do that, I want. 810 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 2: I'm sure I need to make sure I got permission 811 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,240 Speaker 2: from from La Kwan before we did that, Jared Goof. 812 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 2: But I mean, so we're looking at three, four, five, six, seven, 813 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 2: eight nine with Mahomes. 814 00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: You know, I don't see him fitting because there's other guys. 815 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 2: Herbo justin Herbert he is in there, Kyler, Kyler's in there. 816 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 2: I mean, I think Caleb now with Ben Johnson there 817 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,879 Speaker 2: makes a strong push to Dak Dak. 818 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,760 Speaker 1: I don't think he's anywhere even close to top twelve. 819 00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,760 Speaker 1: He's outside of it. Like I would say, you right outside. 820 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:22,280 Speaker 1: I'll take Drake May over him. I'll take see that 821 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,800 Speaker 1: that I will probably push back on because we just 822 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 1: talked about how that offense isn't exciting. The pieces are 823 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,920 Speaker 1: better for Pennix. Yes, the pieces are better in Atlanta, 824 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 1: for sure. I think May is the better player, But 825 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 1: is he going to be in scoring opportunities? You can 826 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 1: run more, that's for sure too. 827 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, you get that rushing up sidea Yeah, yeah, that's 828 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,320 Speaker 2: gonna be an interesting argument. I think this offseason Pennicks 829 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 2: may Penundrum. We can we can definitely check back in. 830 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,479 Speaker 3: Oh, Brock Purdy, I'm taking over him, probably taking Jordan 831 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 3: Love over him. 832 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 2: All right, okay, okay, look on because you talked about 833 00:39:58,719 --> 00:39:59,800 Speaker 2: two or two or Pinnix. 834 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: Oh, they're both very similar. I'll take I'll take. Let's 835 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:10,320 Speaker 1: let's injury. 836 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:16,320 Speaker 3: What about your boy, Bryce Young, Joe, I'm saying. 837 00:40:17,480 --> 00:40:23,759 Speaker 1: O, Bryce Young, here's one for you guys. C J. Stroud, No, no, 838 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:24,239 Speaker 1: I'm good. 839 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 2: I think I may take Pinis because the weapons, the 840 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 2: weapons are similar. 841 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: And I don't know, healthier. Yeah, I don't know. I 842 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: just you said that. 843 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,200 Speaker 2: But Pinix had a couple of major injuries in college too, though, 844 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 2: so he just didn't get hurt in the NFL. 845 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: The more we talk about it, the more I'm like, 846 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: QB feels thinner than ever. Yeah, it's weird, Yeah, it's weird. 847 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,919 Speaker 3: Because like we're going to dive into this, you guys, 848 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:54,800 Speaker 3: like I know we're gonna do a whole episode on 849 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 3: it or something like that, but like as awesome as 850 00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 3: like Baker was, or like Jared Goff or Herbert what Purty, 851 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:05,799 Speaker 3: even like I don't feel one hundred confident like this 852 00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,520 Speaker 3: is my starter every single week. 853 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,919 Speaker 1: Why I think I'm taking a top five quarterback next year. 854 00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,719 Speaker 2: It's starting to be like a lot of other Like 855 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 2: you see it at running back, you definitely see it 856 00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 2: at tight end where the guys at the top are 857 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 2: so much better, where you have a clear group of 858 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,440 Speaker 2: elites at the top, and then you start getting in 859 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 2: that second or third tier and it becomes a little 860 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 2: more interchangeable. And I think that's where we are with quarterbacks, 861 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 2: where you've got your big four, big five, what or 862 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,480 Speaker 2: however you want to slice it up, and then after 863 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 2: that it's like right when I were playing Mix and 864 00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,440 Speaker 2: Match weekly, and that's sort of what it is. 865 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,759 Speaker 1: I think Jayden Daniels will be pulled up for sure 866 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 1: here in August, so it's like absolutely, I'll pay. I'll 867 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: pay for him in the first three rounds. I mean 868 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 1: I'll do that in the third round with the Josh 869 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 1: Allens and the Lamar Jackson's or whatever the case may be, 870 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: whichever one is cheapest for me, that's who I'll have 871 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 1: the most. Though here you go, I just realized that 872 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: that's the way we have to approach the season because. 873 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,320 Speaker 3: It might be Jalen Hurts that ends up being the 874 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,760 Speaker 3: cheapest of the top five, because I feel like everyone 875 00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,399 Speaker 3: hates Jalen Hurts and just like. 876 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:13,000 Speaker 2: I'm just so inconsistent, you know, like that's just what 877 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,839 Speaker 2: it is. And like if the tush push ever goes away. 878 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, which it's not, why would it, I mean, why. 879 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,840 Speaker 2: You're right, except they've got a monster behind him in 880 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,600 Speaker 2: the backfield that could take away that. I mean, we 881 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 2: keep saying that with Josh Allen too, like they're gonna 882 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 2: stop using him as their goal line back. And then 883 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,640 Speaker 2: Josh is like he's like the meme of Ralph William 884 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 2: crashing through the window, just. 885 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:37,839 Speaker 3: Like using Mark Andrews Man Like this toos push play 886 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,239 Speaker 3: is not going away. 887 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,240 Speaker 1: Like it's true, it's just the beginning. It's just the beginning. 888 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 3: But my fear is more teams doing that having a 889 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,799 Speaker 3: non quarterback running. 890 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 1: That's the worst. 891 00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 2: Actually, the tastes of no effect, you know, and then 892 00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,359 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, everybody's really mad about things for sure. Uh. 893 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 2: That was Who Delivered, presented by Uber Eats, where you 894 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,719 Speaker 2: can get the best deals on game day food all 895 00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 2: season long, the official on man Delivery partner of the 896 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:04,160 Speaker 2: NFL Order. Now, before we switch over to the Cardinals, 897 00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,160 Speaker 2: I do have one last thing on the Falcons because 898 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 2: you guys know, my thing this year is I don't 899 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,640 Speaker 2: want to draft Saquon Barkley in the first round. That's 900 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 2: my hottest hot take so far this offseason. Bejeon to 901 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 2: my RB one. That's my proclamation. 902 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:19,840 Speaker 1: Okay, let's stamp it in January. 903 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,560 Speaker 3: I think he's the RB one, and as well, Marcus. 904 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,319 Speaker 3: I think his only competition is Jamier Gibbs. 905 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:28,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I still think. 906 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,799 Speaker 2: I just think even as good as Jamior Gibbs is, 907 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,920 Speaker 2: I think the presidence of David Montgomery makes that a 908 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:33,520 Speaker 2: little hard. 909 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:34,359 Speaker 1: That's it. 910 00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, not that not that he's bad or anything like that. 911 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,640 Speaker 2: Just David Montgomery still draws breath on this planet and 912 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,759 Speaker 2: gets a paycheck from the Detroit Lions, and that's going 913 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 2: to make things difficult there. 914 00:43:45,480 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: It is pick number. 915 00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,239 Speaker 2: Sixteen, Beloves in the Arizona Cardinals. They were also eight 916 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 2: and nine. What went right train McBride one hundred and 917 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,080 Speaker 2: eleven catches over eleven hundred scrimmage ar or eleven hundred 918 00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 2: receiving yards I should say two whole touchdowns. We had 919 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 2: to wait pretty much all year for that to happen, 920 00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 2: but it happened. I got those two touchdowns. He was 921 00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 2: the tight end to James Connor. Continues to be underrated. 922 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,120 Speaker 2: He's one of those guys that I think we take 923 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:15,320 Speaker 2: for granted. Fifteen hundred scrimmage yards, nine touchdowns, forty seven catches. 924 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 2: He was the RB eleven. I think I said this before, 925 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,840 Speaker 2: I have Trey McBride as my tight end one. I 926 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,920 Speaker 2: think I think he finishes as the tight end one 927 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,880 Speaker 2: next year. There's a pretty compact race between Bowers and 928 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,440 Speaker 2: McBride and George Kittle. You know, I think Bowers continues 929 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,200 Speaker 2: to be okay. He doesn't have a Sam Laporter like 930 00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 2: fall off. I'm stamping Trey McBride is the guy who'd 931 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,600 Speaker 2: finish as the tight end one. I may not be 932 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,400 Speaker 2: able to draft him depending on where his ADP is, 933 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,560 Speaker 2: but I think he's the guy. I think he's the 934 00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:43,640 Speaker 2: guy who finishes as the top tight end. 935 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: It's him or Bowers. Yeah, I think so. Jonah Smith, 936 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,279 Speaker 1: Jonah Smith, No, I'm not going to do that here. 937 00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 3: No are dolphins Dolphin's green if. 938 00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, get no, get that seal going nah Man. Yeah, 939 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:02,759 Speaker 2: I don't think that's gonna be a good look for you. 940 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,160 Speaker 1: I don't think so what went wrong? 941 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,439 Speaker 2: Kyler Murray, who's a lot of people's picked to click 942 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,680 Speaker 2: this year. Thirty eight hundred passing yards, twenty one touchdowns, 943 00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,400 Speaker 2: eleven interceptions, five hundred and seventy two rushing yards, five tds. 944 00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:22,399 Speaker 2: He was a QB ten, which again that's another one 945 00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:24,319 Speaker 2: that I was like, really used QB ten Like it 946 00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 2: just didn't feel it didn't feel like that. 947 00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,879 Speaker 1: But it was back to our points, yeah, back right now. 948 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 1: Its just it didn't feel that way. 949 00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,800 Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison, who was in the running for maybe Bust 950 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,080 Speaker 2: of the Year candidates, sixty two catches, eight hundred and 951 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,239 Speaker 2: eighty five yards, eight touchdowns, wide receiver thirty and then 952 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,080 Speaker 2: one that is just personal to this show. Greg Dors 953 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,720 Speaker 2: didn't work guys, So like you were you were spot 954 00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:52,279 Speaker 2: on with John who you were way off like Greg Dorts. 955 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,719 Speaker 4: I hate the Cardinals for this, Like I really look 956 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 4: at the bad organization for this because you watch him 957 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 4: play and like I get so fussed watching him make 958 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 4: the plays that he makes and he's done it in 959 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,800 Speaker 4: the past, and it's like, why are you not putting 960 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:06,400 Speaker 4: him on the field. 961 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,480 Speaker 1: Like I understand you guys don't run wide receiver like 962 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:10,839 Speaker 1: three wide receiver sets all the time. But then you 963 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,440 Speaker 1: look at his production when he is given the opportunity, 964 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,640 Speaker 1: a higher target bur route rate than Michael Wilson, he 965 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,920 Speaker 1: has more touchdowns than Trey McBride, Yes, Trey McBride. That 966 00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,439 Speaker 1: sounds crazy, and it's like, how does this happen? Why 967 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,480 Speaker 1: is he not on the field. And it's like he 968 00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,399 Speaker 1: had a higher separation rate than Michael Wilson, So he's 969 00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,799 Speaker 1: obviously earning the targets getting open for Kyler Murray and 970 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,080 Speaker 1: they have the chemistry together. Why is he not on 971 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:34,680 Speaker 1: the field. 972 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,240 Speaker 2: So I'll ask you this, Then two two out well 973 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,640 Speaker 2: that hit free agency. Would you mind if the Rams 974 00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,000 Speaker 2: moved on from two two and maybe signed free agent 975 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:46,320 Speaker 2: Greg Dortch in the offseason. 976 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he's spent some time with us and passed 977 00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:52,120 Speaker 1: for a little whit don drafted freident Dry wouldn't mind that. 978 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,319 Speaker 1: Actually the quin is doing those supervillain hand rub right. 979 00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 3: Now, give him those ninety Wandell Robinson catches. I bet 980 00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,280 Speaker 3: you he turns into more than six hundred yards. 981 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 1: And he had the volume that ydo head, Oh my god, 982 00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:09,920 Speaker 1: he'll be a top ten wide receiver. I believe that 983 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,800 Speaker 1: one hundred percent if he had the volume. 984 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,920 Speaker 2: But if he has the volume that Wandale Robinson had, 985 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:17,720 Speaker 2: something's gone wrong in the Rams offense. 986 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, something has gone wrong in so Floria. 987 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:30,000 Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior was how do I put this? Was 988 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,080 Speaker 2: he a bust that he underperformed? Or was he a 989 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 2: victim of our lofty expectations? 990 00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:41,320 Speaker 1: Yes? I think it was. I think it's all three because. 991 00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,359 Speaker 3: It wasn't just us fantasy people hyping this guy up 992 00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,920 Speaker 3: as the best wide receiver of a generation and everything, 993 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:51,160 Speaker 3: and he wasn't even a top two wide receiver in 994 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 3: his class as a rookie. And it wasn't just stats wise, 995 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 3: Like go watch Marvin Harrison Junior's tape, Go watch the 996 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 3: league neighbors, Go watch Lad McConkie, Go watch Brian Thomas Junior. 997 00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:06,239 Speaker 3: You might rank Marvin Harrison, fourth of that bunch, just 998 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,919 Speaker 3: watching what they did this year. But I also don't 999 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:13,239 Speaker 3: think it's all on him. Kyler Murray, outside of that 1000 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,839 Speaker 3: one year with prime DeAndre Hopkins, has not really done 1001 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:19,520 Speaker 3: a great job in his career of elevating wide receivers. 1002 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,680 Speaker 3: And I was very bullish on Marvin Harrison Junior because 1003 00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,560 Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, Kyler has that de hop type again, 1004 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,719 Speaker 3: and at times you saw it. 1005 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,880 Speaker 1: But like, let's go back to his biggest game of 1006 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,960 Speaker 1: the year. I would think it was Week three against 1007 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,720 Speaker 1: the Rams. It was two broken. 1008 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,320 Speaker 3: Plays that he caught deep where he burned Trey White, 1009 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,360 Speaker 3: who got burned in the last week as well. But 1010 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,480 Speaker 3: like we hold that against Quinton Johnson, no one was 1011 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,000 Speaker 3: saying a peep against it when it was Marvin Harrison junior, 1012 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,840 Speaker 3: you know, so like I was, I think. But also 1013 00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,600 Speaker 3: it all always comes down to expectation. That's why Kyler 1014 00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:55,759 Speaker 3: Murray goes into What's Went Wrong two because he was 1015 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,160 Speaker 3: being drafted as like QUB five, QB six, but as 1016 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,560 Speaker 3: a whole, like this is a really solid rookie year 1017 00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,719 Speaker 3: for any wide receiver what Harrison did, But because of 1018 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:08,160 Speaker 3: the expectations that we had for him and the expectations 1019 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,080 Speaker 3: that the whole world had for him. 1020 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:11,480 Speaker 1: It was probably a letdown. 1021 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,719 Speaker 2: I mean, the thing that sticks with me is early 1022 00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:19,080 Speaker 2: in the season, Kyler Murray saying like it's not my 1023 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,640 Speaker 2: job to get Marvin Harrison targets, and universally everybody like, 1024 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,320 Speaker 2: that's exactly your job, Like that is that is number 1025 00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,480 Speaker 2: one in the job description to target the wide receivers, 1026 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:33,560 Speaker 2: especially the high draft pick guys. I think we just 1027 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:35,960 Speaker 2: have to understand at this point that that there's a 1028 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,840 Speaker 2: ceiling on Kyler. Like like, I think we have seen 1029 00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,560 Speaker 2: the best of Kyler Murray, right, I think what we saw. 1030 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:45,240 Speaker 1: Early in his career. 1031 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:49,719 Speaker 2: You know that that twenty nineteen twenty twenty season, that 1032 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,200 Speaker 2: twenty twenty season, right, he ran for over eight hundred yards. 1033 00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:55,000 Speaker 2: He hasn't come close to it since then. I think 1034 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 2: that was the year he also had a career high 1035 00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,760 Speaker 2: in passing yards, He had a career high and touchdown 1036 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,239 Speaker 2: pas is. He just hasn't really come close to that. 1037 00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:04,920 Speaker 2: Some of it has been injuries, some of it's just 1038 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,840 Speaker 2: that I just think we've seen the best of Kyler, 1039 00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,880 Speaker 2: and I think we just sort of have to adjust accordingly. 1040 00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,640 Speaker 2: When it comes to looking at the pass catchers, whether 1041 00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,239 Speaker 2: that's Harrison McBride, whoever else is going to be there, right. 1042 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,839 Speaker 2: I mean, I know Florida, you loved Michael Wilson as 1043 00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:20,960 Speaker 2: a sleeper this year. 1044 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:22,920 Speaker 1: You know, we talked about Greg Dortch. 1045 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,279 Speaker 2: I just think that all these guys now we have 1046 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:31,719 Speaker 2: to lower our expectations just because the quarterback is not 1047 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:33,920 Speaker 2: going to deliver the ball the way that we want 1048 00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:34,799 Speaker 2: him to. 1049 00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:37,319 Speaker 3: To your point, I think this year really drove that 1050 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,680 Speaker 3: point home because for years we were like, oh, it's 1051 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,480 Speaker 3: Cliff Kingsbury's fault. Then the last two years Kyler wasn't healthy, 1052 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,440 Speaker 3: didn't play a full year either year as he was 1053 00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,240 Speaker 3: rehabbing from the town acl and stuff. 1054 00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,200 Speaker 1: But this year he was fully healthy. 1055 00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:53,800 Speaker 3: Cliff Kingsbury got the most, the literally the greatest rookie 1056 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,160 Speaker 3: season ever out of his quarterback and then the whole narrative, 1057 00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:59,080 Speaker 3: and this was something that was being driven in the 1058 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:00,719 Speaker 3: middle of the year when the Anders had that two 1059 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:04,040 Speaker 3: game skid, was like the late season slip off from 1060 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,440 Speaker 3: click Cliff Cliff Cliff Kingsbury his offenses are out here 1061 00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,239 Speaker 3: doing their thing. Going to the NFC Championship Game, the 1062 00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:15,680 Speaker 3: Cardinals free falled and blew their division. Like at some point, 1063 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:17,759 Speaker 3: this free fall that they go on yearly is on 1064 00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:18,440 Speaker 3: the quarterback. 1065 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,799 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I mean it really truly is. 1066 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,520 Speaker 3: And I want Kyler so badly to be good. I 1067 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:26,759 Speaker 3: love short Kings, Yes, and. 1068 00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,480 Speaker 2: If we support them here, yeah no, I mean I 1069 00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,120 Speaker 2: just think Kyler is who he is now. I think 1070 00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:32,879 Speaker 2: I think after this past year because so many people 1071 00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,200 Speaker 2: were big on him and he was just mah like, don't. 1072 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,360 Speaker 2: I don't see that same ground swallow support coming for 1073 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,480 Speaker 2: Kyler this offseason at all. 1074 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:42,680 Speaker 1: So there you go. 1075 00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,719 Speaker 2: We have fixed thirteen through sixteen in the books. Next 1076 00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:50,319 Speaker 2: week we will proceed with seventeen through twenty. I'm trying 1077 00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,759 Speaker 2: to do math in my head. Seventeen through twenties we'll 1078 00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:55,799 Speaker 2: have coming up next Tuesday. In the meantime, take another break, 1079 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,680 Speaker 2: we'll come back and we will preview Championship Weekend. Should 1080 00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,200 Speaker 2: be a whole lot of fun. That's next on the 1081 00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:09,359 Speaker 2: NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. So there are four teams left, 1082 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:14,640 Speaker 2: three games remaining left in this NFL season. Championship Weekend 1083 00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:18,320 Speaker 2: kicks off on Sunday. It begins on the NFC side 1084 00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:23,200 Speaker 2: with Washington at Philadelphia. These two teams split the regular 1085 00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,359 Speaker 2: season meetings, so here it is the rubber match, the 1086 00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:30,840 Speaker 2: deciding game, with the winner moving on to the Super Bowl. 1087 00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:33,000 Speaker 2: Some of the side notes. I think I mentioned this 1088 00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,720 Speaker 2: on Tuesday Show. It's a matchup of former Cowboy coordinators, 1089 00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,719 Speaker 2: with Dan Quid as the head coach of the Commanders 1090 00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:44,200 Speaker 2: and Kellen Moore as the OC of the Eagles. Kwan 1091 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,560 Speaker 2: sae Quon obviously a huge difference in that game last 1092 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,920 Speaker 2: week against the Rams, A couple of long touchdown runs 1093 00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:55,160 Speaker 2: in that ballgame. He's been phenomenal all year long. Can 1094 00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,080 Speaker 2: the Commanders slow him down? And is that really the key? 1095 00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:00,000 Speaker 2: I mean, is stopping Barkley the key to winning that game? 1096 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,560 Speaker 1: No, really, I don't think they could slow him down. 1097 00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,600 Speaker 1: You kind of just have to let him do his thing, 1098 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,560 Speaker 1: but try to keep him out of the end zone. 1099 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,600 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously, you know, I feel as though my 1100 00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,480 Speaker 1: ways as a Rams frand that we could have won 1101 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:14,960 Speaker 1: that game without the weather. But it's like, I think 1102 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:16,760 Speaker 1: we still could have won that game even with Saquon 1103 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,799 Speaker 1: hitting two hundred. It's more so containing Jalen hurts, but 1104 00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,440 Speaker 1: we're worried about his health now. It's more so containing 1105 00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,680 Speaker 1: aj Brown. The Vonte Smith and Dallas godd are showing 1106 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,600 Speaker 1: up on the back end of the season since returning 1107 00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,880 Speaker 1: back from the injury, being a reliable target as well. 1108 00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:32,480 Speaker 1: So they got many headaches to worry about to not 1109 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:35,840 Speaker 1: just focus on Saquon Barklay. There's no stopping him. Like 1110 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,600 Speaker 1: it's clear that he is the best running back in 1111 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,239 Speaker 1: the world right now. So it's like, focus on the 1112 00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,360 Speaker 1: entire game plan, don't just hone in on Saquon Barklay. 1113 00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,400 Speaker 1: And I think that's what the Rams did because at 1114 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,440 Speaker 1: times they were like, if AJ Brown didn't drop those 1115 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:53,399 Speaker 1: two balls, I mean they're up two touchdowns. I'm selling out. 1116 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,840 Speaker 2: So the thing that that kind of pomps out at 1117 00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,160 Speaker 2: me is that, And like, I get your point, right, 1118 00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,440 Speaker 2: because they have so many weapons there in Philadelphia. Now, 1119 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:04,920 Speaker 2: minds you, Jalen Hurts a little bit banged up. He 1120 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:08,279 Speaker 2: is expected to do a walk through ahead of the 1121 00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,680 Speaker 2: championship games. He's dealing with a bit of a knee 1122 00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:13,160 Speaker 2: injury right now. But you talk about trying to slow 1123 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,759 Speaker 2: down everything, and I don't remember who it was that 1124 00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:17,320 Speaker 2: said this, but it's like, you know, when you prepare 1125 00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,080 Speaker 2: for everything, you really prepare for nothing, right, Like you 1126 00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:23,640 Speaker 2: are spread so thin, your resources are spread everywhere that 1127 00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,880 Speaker 2: you're trying to kind of guard everything that you end 1128 00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:26,400 Speaker 2: up sort. 1129 00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:29,920 Speaker 1: Of getting beat by everything. All at the same time. 1130 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,280 Speaker 3: I would attack with a similar approach that the Bills 1131 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,239 Speaker 3: attacked the Ravens with this past week. You sell out 1132 00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,840 Speaker 3: to stop the run. Saquon Barkley in two games this 1133 00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,000 Speaker 3: year against the Commanders had three hundred and fifty yards 1134 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,480 Speaker 3: and four touchdowns, Like, you're not winning if he has 1135 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,440 Speaker 3: another game like that this week. And then you add 1136 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,520 Speaker 3: on the fact that Hurts has struggled this year under pressure, 1137 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,120 Speaker 3: You add on the fact that their passing attack hasn't 1138 00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:54,520 Speaker 3: really been what it's been, and. 1139 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,600 Speaker 1: Now he's hurt so he can't scramble and extend those plays. 1140 00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,360 Speaker 3: So potentially I'm they can to see if that knee 1141 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,920 Speaker 3: is healthy, and I'm I'm stacking the box. I'm throwing 1142 00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,759 Speaker 3: everything i can upfront to try to put pressure on Hurts, 1143 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,600 Speaker 3: try to take slow Saquon down. You're not gonna stop him, 1144 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,080 Speaker 3: but you can't let him go for two hundred against you, 1145 00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:14,400 Speaker 3: where you got no chance in my opinion. 1146 00:55:14,840 --> 00:55:18,640 Speaker 2: All right, So on the one side, stopping se Kwon 1147 00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,800 Speaker 2: seems to be a key for the Commanders, Florio, Is 1148 00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,719 Speaker 2: it as simple for the Eagles as stop Jayden d 1149 00:55:23,960 --> 00:55:26,239 Speaker 2: Not that stopping Jayden Daniels has been simple, but is 1150 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,480 Speaker 2: it as simple as saying, stop Jayden Daniels and you 1151 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,960 Speaker 2: can beat the Commanders. Yes, because Jayden has already done. 1152 00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:37,000 Speaker 3: Like I tweeted it out today, our research packet is 1153 00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,480 Speaker 3: put in all the different ways that Jayden has already 1154 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,800 Speaker 3: set history, led their team right in passing yards and 1155 00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:45,040 Speaker 3: rushing yards in the regular season, has already done so 1156 00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:46,200 Speaker 3: in a playoff game. 1157 00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,360 Speaker 1: And the thing is, you watch. 1158 00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,840 Speaker 3: Him pick apart defenses each of these last two weeks 1159 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,680 Speaker 3: like he is going through his progressives perfectly and everything. 1160 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,120 Speaker 3: So yeah, you need to make him as uncomfortable as possible, 1161 00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,040 Speaker 3: get as much pressure on him as possible, and really, 1162 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:05,399 Speaker 3: dare anyone else to him? And Terry are the two 1163 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,279 Speaker 3: players that you're like, if we could contain these two 1164 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,560 Speaker 3: guys and they have just an average game by their standards, 1165 00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,920 Speaker 3: we should win this game and the Eagles. This surprised 1166 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,080 Speaker 3: me too yesterday while I was doing some prep on it. 1167 00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:23,040 Speaker 3: In the game that they won, they did not blitz 1168 00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,800 Speaker 3: him much at all. Thirteen percent blitz sacked him three times. 1169 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,960 Speaker 3: Daniels had one touchdown and one interception. But in week sixteen, 1170 00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,160 Speaker 3: they blitzed him thirty six percent of the time. He 1171 00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,560 Speaker 3: finished with five touchdowns and was only sacked one time. 1172 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,040 Speaker 3: Ran wild on them and all of that. So very 1173 00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,960 Speaker 3: curious because you can't blitz them. So what are you 1174 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,759 Speaker 3: gonna try to take running lanes away? I'm happy I 1175 00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,319 Speaker 3: am not the DC that he trying to figure this out. 1176 00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:50,440 Speaker 1: It's going to be very difficult. 1177 00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,280 Speaker 2: I mean, we saw that last week, right, Aaron Glenn 1178 00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,640 Speaker 2: tried the blitz and he got picked apart when they 1179 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,000 Speaker 2: sat back and played coverage and then Daniels just took 1180 00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:00,839 Speaker 2: off and ran through them. I'm you know, So I'm 1181 00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:03,360 Speaker 2: sure that you know they are studying. The Phillies obviously 1182 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,440 Speaker 2: got two games worth the tape already on him, you know. 1183 00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:08,839 Speaker 2: I'm sure they're watching what happened last week to see 1184 00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,239 Speaker 2: his improvement. So yeah, it's gonna be tough to kind 1185 00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,040 Speaker 2: of figure out how to approach this thing for sure 1186 00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:19,560 Speaker 2: with Jayden Daniels. Meanwhile, Buffalo in Kansas City, Floria, you 1187 00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,680 Speaker 2: are the expert on this. You have watched you guys 1188 00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:27,080 Speaker 2: to talk first, Hikwan, what does Buffalo? What does Buffalo 1189 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:29,200 Speaker 2: need to do to finally beat the Chiefs in the playoffs? 1190 00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,000 Speaker 1: Buffalo needs to play the same way that they played 1191 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,800 Speaker 1: against the Ravens. I mean, honestly, there is a way 1192 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,200 Speaker 1: that they could beat Patrick Mahomes. And I was speaking 1193 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:38,840 Speaker 1: on it with the Texans when they're going up, you 1194 00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,520 Speaker 1: got to get in his face, you got to keep 1195 00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:43,400 Speaker 1: the pressure on. So the Bills just need to find 1196 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,680 Speaker 1: a way to get Mahomes off his game. But there 1197 00:57:45,840 --> 00:57:48,680 Speaker 1: is some things that you just cannot stop Mahomes from doing, 1198 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,840 Speaker 1: and that's that Mahomes magic. I'm talking about the diving 1199 00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,720 Speaker 1: almost hitting the ground, throw the Travis Kelcey for the 1200 00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,280 Speaker 1: end up. There's nothing you could do. They were getting 1201 00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,560 Speaker 1: pressure to him, they were getting his face, making them uncomfortable. 1202 00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,280 Speaker 1: He's still going out there doing the magic things. So 1203 00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,600 Speaker 1: the Bills just need to stay consistent in their game. 1204 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,440 Speaker 1: Josh Allen needs to bring what is it the snowplow like, 1205 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,080 Speaker 1: he needs to keep going as the lead rusher, and 1206 00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,200 Speaker 1: then James Cook needs to continue on cooking. I mean, 1207 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,720 Speaker 1: the game plan is very simple. I honestly think you 1208 00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,960 Speaker 1: guys can pull it out, Florio, I. 1209 00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:21,720 Speaker 2: Honestly think it's as simple as sevens and not threes, right, 1210 00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:25,320 Speaker 2: just moving the football when you get in the red zone, 1211 00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,480 Speaker 2: sevens and not threes, because it's. 1212 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:29,920 Speaker 1: Inevitable even early. 1213 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,400 Speaker 2: Right, you drive down the field, you stall out at 1214 00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,880 Speaker 2: like the twelve, and you kick the field goal, and 1215 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:37,960 Speaker 2: you know that ends up being the difference at some 1216 00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:40,240 Speaker 2: point in the game, because even if the Chiefs don't 1217 00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:42,600 Speaker 2: score on every possession, they will score touchdowns on enough 1218 00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:45,080 Speaker 2: of them to put pressure on you. And I think, 1219 00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:47,520 Speaker 2: you know, everything the Bills have done, I think continues 1220 00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,560 Speaker 2: to work. It's just when you get close, you got 1221 00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,200 Speaker 2: to punch it in the end zone and force force 1222 00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:57,080 Speaker 2: Mahomes and the Chiefs offense to match you seven for 1223 00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,720 Speaker 2: seven the entire way. 1224 00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,560 Speaker 1: So, Floria, the floor is yours. 1225 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:04,480 Speaker 3: So my thoughts is this game comes down to the 1226 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:08,240 Speaker 3: Bills defense in Josh Allen. In the four games they've 1227 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,200 Speaker 3: beat them in the regular season, the Bills have averaged 1228 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,520 Speaker 3: twenty eight points per game. In the three games they 1229 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,320 Speaker 3: have lost in the playoffs to the Chiefs, the Bills 1230 00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:18,080 Speaker 3: have averaged twenty eight points per game. The difference is 1231 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,680 Speaker 3: Mahomes against the Bills in the regular season has averaged 1232 00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:22,760 Speaker 3: us than twenty one points per game. In the playoffs, 1233 00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:27,400 Speaker 3: it's thirty six. Like they're not gonna bring five every 1234 00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,440 Speaker 3: time like they were against Baltimore. I don't think you 1235 00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:31,240 Speaker 3: need to sell out to stuff the run because this 1236 00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:34,600 Speaker 3: Kansas City rushing attack is pretty brutal, and they don't 1237 00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,520 Speaker 3: have that breakaway runner anymore that could really gash you. 1238 00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:41,840 Speaker 3: I think you used the Milano and Bernard as spies 1239 00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,400 Speaker 3: against Mahomes, so he's not beating you with his legs. 1240 00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:47,240 Speaker 3: I think you put Toron Johnson on Travis Kelcey a lot. 1241 00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,600 Speaker 3: Hopefully Benford could play, he could be unworthy. I think 1242 00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,320 Speaker 3: this is the best the Bills defense has matched up 1243 00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:57,720 Speaker 3: with the Chiefs of any of these playoff matchups. It's 1244 00:59:57,800 --> 01:00:00,240 Speaker 3: just a matter of execution and turnovers are going to 1245 01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:03,440 Speaker 3: decide this game. I think I trust the offense so much. 1246 01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,240 Speaker 3: I think they'll be able to run. I know the 1247 01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:08,720 Speaker 3: Chiefs have been great against the run, so were the Ravens, 1248 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:09,880 Speaker 3: so were the Broncos. 1249 01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:11,800 Speaker 1: This Bill's O line is different. 1250 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,720 Speaker 3: Fewest Sackson turnovers ever, Like they're playing such clean football 1251 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,600 Speaker 3: right now. On offense, and the Chiefs when they don't blitz, 1252 01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,800 Speaker 3: they don't generate pressure. But Josh Allen has been elite 1253 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:24,800 Speaker 3: against the blitz this year, so you kind of need 1254 01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,160 Speaker 3: to pick your poison. Are we gonna try to blitz him? 1255 01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,560 Speaker 3: It did work for them in week eleven and let 1256 01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:31,840 Speaker 3: him be that, like that's the strength for him. Or 1257 01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:34,040 Speaker 3: do we not blitz and just give him all day 1258 01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,160 Speaker 3: to kind of try to pick us apart with his arm? 1259 01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:39,520 Speaker 3: But guys, this is where I'm at in this game. 1260 01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:42,880 Speaker 3: I want the Bills watching episodes three and four of 1261 01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,200 Speaker 3: the Last Dance all week long, because. 1262 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,560 Speaker 1: That is what this is to me. Like Jordan and 1263 01:00:48,600 --> 01:00:50,480 Speaker 1: the Bulls were getting bullied by the. 1264 01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:55,920 Speaker 3: Pistons years and then that fourth year it was like 1265 01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:56,760 Speaker 3: we are. 1266 01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:57,360 Speaker 1: Better than them. 1267 01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,720 Speaker 3: We are better on paper, and I think the Bills 1268 01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:03,560 Speaker 3: ross there's way better than the Chiefs roster, but like 1269 01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,720 Speaker 3: that mental thing, can they get over the home I 1270 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,920 Speaker 3: think I think the Bills win by two scores in 1271 01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:09,320 Speaker 3: this game. 1272 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,200 Speaker 1: Let's go Wow. 1273 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:16,960 Speaker 2: You know, I'm guessing if we search the the NFL directory, 1274 01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,200 Speaker 2: you could probably find an email address for Sean McDermott, 1275 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:22,440 Speaker 2: So maybe you should just save him out there, right, Like, 1276 01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,440 Speaker 2: just go through your email and just hit the directory 1277 01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:26,400 Speaker 2: look for McDermott. You can, I'm sure you can find 1278 01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:28,680 Speaker 2: it and send him your your suggestion on what they 1279 01:01:28,680 --> 01:01:30,840 Speaker 2: should watch heading into this game. 1280 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,280 Speaker 3: So I'll say this, if the game is close, the 1281 01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,480 Speaker 3: Chiefs are gonna win. I think like they just have 1282 01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,160 Speaker 3: that mindset. 1283 01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:38,440 Speaker 1: They pull it. 1284 01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:42,880 Speaker 3: They're so elite situationally, But have you guys looked at 1285 01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,640 Speaker 3: the Chiefs schedule this year outside of the Week one 1286 01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,320 Speaker 3: win against the Ravens, They're not that battle tested, Like 1287 01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,040 Speaker 3: they haven't played any other elite team. They've had a 1288 01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:55,920 Speaker 3: very easy skin. Look, I could eat Crow easily. But 1289 01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,480 Speaker 3: in the past I've been like, the chief should be favorites, 1290 01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,360 Speaker 3: this could be the year and stuff. But this is 1291 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:02,800 Speaker 3: the first time that I look at it and I'm like, 1292 01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:04,240 Speaker 3: the Bills are the. 1293 01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:07,000 Speaker 2: Better team here well, And I think I think when 1294 01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,520 Speaker 2: you look at their schedule, I was like this it's 1295 01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:11,240 Speaker 2: one that I think at the start of the season 1296 01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,000 Speaker 2: looked tougher that it turned out to be. But the 1297 01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,360 Speaker 2: teams they played were not playing well at the time. 1298 01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:16,560 Speaker 1: Right. 1299 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:19,800 Speaker 2: They got the Bengals early when they were struggling, you know, 1300 01:02:19,800 --> 01:02:21,800 Speaker 2: they got the Falcons, who are still figuring things out. 1301 01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,240 Speaker 2: The Chargers were met, the Saints ended up being a 1302 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,360 Speaker 2: dumpster fire, The Niners were beat up, the Raiders, the Bucks. 1303 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:28,680 Speaker 1: The Broncos are still five. 1304 01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:30,280 Speaker 2: I mean that was their first nine games, right, they 1305 01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:32,320 Speaker 2: were nine to zero before they ran up on the Bills. 1306 01:02:32,640 --> 01:02:36,320 Speaker 2: Even the back Panthers, Raiders, Chargers, Browns, text and so 1307 01:02:36,320 --> 01:02:38,480 Speaker 2: you're right, it's a schedule that at the start of 1308 01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:40,720 Speaker 2: the season, if you looked at it in August, you're like, this, 1309 01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:42,320 Speaker 2: this might be kind of interesting. And then as the 1310 01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,280 Speaker 2: season played out it ended up not being particularly great. 1311 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,080 Speaker 2: But you know, as they say, you can only play 1312 01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,120 Speaker 2: who's in front of you, so that that part is 1313 01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:50,600 Speaker 2: what it is. 1314 01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,880 Speaker 3: Who do you We haven't made our picks. I said, 1315 01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:53,920 Speaker 3: who I think is gonna win? 1316 01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,520 Speaker 1: No, that's what I was gonna both. Look here, you've 1317 01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,600 Speaker 1: already said who you think is gonna win the Bills game? 1318 01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,720 Speaker 2: So finish it out. Who in Super Bowl fifty nine? 1319 01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:04,480 Speaker 2: You should just start calling it the Florio Bowl. I 1320 01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,760 Speaker 2: think because it's my two favorite quarterbacks in the league. 1321 01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:07,840 Speaker 2: It's it's Josh h. 1322 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,680 Speaker 1: Shaden all right, all right? Who you got the La Quad? 1323 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:14,560 Speaker 1: I'm on that too, Man, I need a commander in there, man. Wow, 1324 01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:16,520 Speaker 1: make it unanimous. 1325 01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:20,040 Speaker 2: Then we're going to get the rematch, the rematch of 1326 01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:24,800 Speaker 2: Super Bowl twenty six when Washington beat Buffalo thirty seven 1327 01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:27,840 Speaker 2: twenty four behind Mark Rippins touchdown passes. 1328 01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,360 Speaker 1: Jim Kelly had a rough day that day. 1329 01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:35,280 Speaker 2: Two touchdowns, four picks in that one'll running back, running back. 1330 01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,160 Speaker 1: We go all the way back to nineteen January nineteen 1331 01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,600 Speaker 1: ninety two. Hey, I was there. 1332 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:44,760 Speaker 3: I was on Earth Fellas. I am Spencer Brown on Sunday. 1333 01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,080 Speaker 3: This is what he said. He said, if they beat 1334 01:03:47,120 --> 01:03:50,000 Speaker 3: the Chiefs, it's going to be a super celebration party, 1335 01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:52,160 Speaker 3: or it's going to be me in a twenty four 1336 01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:53,120 Speaker 3: pack by myself. 1337 01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:57,960 Speaker 1: There it is, there, it is. 1338 01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,960 Speaker 2: Side note Back in nineteen eighty the Super Bowl was 1339 01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,440 Speaker 2: played on January twenty sixth, which basically would have been 1340 01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,240 Speaker 2: just a few days from now. So wow, Yeah, that's 1341 01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:08,600 Speaker 2: how much things have changed. 1342 01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:12,880 Speaker 1: In thirty three years. For sure. There you go. 1343 01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,680 Speaker 2: We will be back next Tuesday to recap what happened 1344 01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:18,680 Speaker 2: in the championship games. Will bentind you more of our 1345 01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:22,960 Speaker 2: exit interviews as well. I should be a fun weekend, 1346 01:04:23,120 --> 01:04:25,200 Speaker 2: looking forward to checking out all the football there so 1347 01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,160 Speaker 2: anyway that will do it. For this edition of the 1348 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,800 Speaker 2: NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, the Happy, Safe and Healthy, do 1349 01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,400 Speaker 2: good and live well, enjoy the games this week and everybody, 1350 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:33,920 Speaker 2: and we will talk to you next week. 1351 01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:01,640 Speaker 1: All got wa