WEBVTT - Hold The Line w/ Buck Sexton - 07-05-22 0:00:11.657 --> 0:00:14.937 You're listening to the Buck Sexton Joe podcast, make sure 0:00:14.937 --> 0:00:17.977 you subscribe to the podcast on the iHeartRadio app or 0:00:17.977 --> 0:00:23.377 wherever you get your podcasts. A mass shooting in a 0:00:23.417 --> 0:00:26.537 wealthy suburb of Chicago left seven n and at least 0:00:26.577 --> 0:00:29.697 thirty injured on Monday. According to police, twenty one year 0:00:29.777 --> 0:00:33.857 old suspect Robert Cremo allegedly opened fire on the Highland 0:00:33.857 --> 0:00:36.937 Park Fourth of July parade, airing off seventy rounds from 0:00:36.937 --> 0:00:39.577 an a R fifteen rifle while disguised as a woman. 0:00:39.897 --> 0:00:42.177 Will have the latest on the shooting and the reaction 0:00:42.377 --> 0:00:50.897 on Tonight's All the Line Welcome Hold the one. I'm 0:00:50.937 --> 0:00:58.297 Buck Sexton. Another weekend of horrific violence across the country, 0:00:59.097 --> 0:01:04.857 many shooting incidents in major cities, but notably this mass 0:01:04.937 --> 0:01:09.137 shooting event that occurred just about twenty miles north of 0:01:09.137 --> 0:01:13.777 the city of Chicago. It was targeting. An individual targeted 0:01:13.897 --> 0:01:18.657 a Fourth of July parade, shooting everybody in sight, the 0:01:18.697 --> 0:01:23.937 elderly children. An act of horrific mass murder that just 0:01:23.977 --> 0:01:30.097 seems incomprehensible to anyone who is not a completed utter psychopath, 0:01:30.137 --> 0:01:35.097 as this individual clearly is and now we know more 0:01:35.137 --> 0:01:40.377 details about this. Lake County Police spokesman Chris Pavelli today 0:01:40.417 --> 0:01:44.977 address this and said that the shooter, Robert Crimo, planned 0:01:44.977 --> 0:01:49.897 the shooting in advance. We do believe Cremo pre planned 0:01:49.897 --> 0:01:53.777 this attack for several weeks. He brought a high powered 0:01:53.897 --> 0:01:57.017 rifle to this parade. He accessed the roof of a 0:01:57.097 --> 0:02:02.297 business via a fire escape ladder and began opening fire 0:02:02.497 --> 0:02:08.737 on the innocent Independence Day celebration goers. It's a horrific event. 0:02:08.977 --> 0:02:13.617 There is the shoot who everyone who sees his photos, 0:02:13.617 --> 0:02:15.657 which are now all over the internet along with his videos. 0:02:15.657 --> 0:02:19.377 He had some kind of a rap channel that he 0:02:19.457 --> 0:02:21.497 set up on YouTube that was taken down. There's a 0:02:21.497 --> 0:02:25.337 lot of this guy's content online. I mean he looks 0:02:25.377 --> 0:02:27.537 crazy too most both. I mean, he looks like somebody 0:02:27.537 --> 0:02:29.777 who is deranged, exceeding in his eyes, the face and 0:02:29.857 --> 0:02:33.537 neck tattoos. It looks like somebody who if a red 0:02:33.577 --> 0:02:38.097 flag law won't stop him, who will? Which Illinois has 0:02:38.137 --> 0:02:41.297 red flag law in place? By the way, who does 0:02:41.337 --> 0:02:43.697 a red flag law stop? You start to wonder about this, 0:02:43.737 --> 0:02:45.417 If it won't stop an individual like this, and so 0:02:45.457 --> 0:02:48.817 then is it the takeaway that a red flag law 0:02:48.857 --> 0:02:51.937 wouldn't even be or isn't even effective, despite all the 0:02:51.977 --> 0:02:57.257 conversation recently about them. This is an instance of mental 0:02:57.297 --> 0:03:01.817 health breakdown for this individual. Obviously he's crazy, and it's 0:03:01.897 --> 0:03:06.777 also a case where someone is evil. But immediately anytime 0:03:06.817 --> 0:03:09.257 there's a shooting like this, there is an effort to 0:03:09.337 --> 0:03:13.217 politicize it and make it all about gun control. Here 0:03:13.297 --> 0:03:16.017 is the mayor of Highland Park, Illinois doing just that. 0:03:17.497 --> 0:03:19.617 My recollection of him was as a sweet little boy. 0:03:21.177 --> 0:03:25.497 You know, I'm sorry that we're glorifying what he put 0:03:25.537 --> 0:03:27.977 on social media. I don't want to encourage other people 0:03:27.977 --> 0:03:32.017 to think that this is a way to lead into 0:03:32.057 --> 0:03:34.777 this kind of violence. We need to have a very 0:03:34.777 --> 0:03:38.937 real national conversation about why we're okay with allowing weapons 0:03:38.937 --> 0:03:41.777 of war on our streets and why we're okay with 0:03:42.017 --> 0:03:47.097 weekly having mass shootings. Okay, what is that conversation supposed 0:03:47.137 --> 0:03:48.777 to be? We hear about this all the time. What 0:03:48.897 --> 0:03:53.297 is the conversation? There are tens of millions of a 0:03:53.457 --> 0:03:57.097 R fifteen style rifles already in circulations, tens of millions 0:03:57.097 --> 0:03:59.657 in this country right now. There are literally millions of 0:03:59.657 --> 0:04:02.977 people who own them and who never break anymore, and 0:04:03.097 --> 0:04:06.457 pose no threat to anyone except perhaps a tyrannical government 0:04:06.537 --> 0:04:10.737 or a home invasion criminal. So what is the national 0:04:10.737 --> 0:04:14.297 conversation supposed to be exactly? They never say, this is 0:04:14.337 --> 0:04:19.937 just about poking and prodding their political opponents and using 0:04:19.937 --> 0:04:23.977 this moment of tragedy and emotional upheaval to achieve that. 0:04:24.697 --> 0:04:28.657 And then that brings me to the Governor of Illinois, JB. Pritzker, 0:04:28.777 --> 0:04:33.697 who honestly strikes me as a total imbecile on the 0:04:33.737 --> 0:04:36.337 issue of guns, and perhaps far more than just that. 0:04:36.817 --> 0:04:38.657 I don't care that he's very wealthy. I don't care 0:04:38.657 --> 0:04:41.817 that he's the governor of Illinois. He's a jackass. And 0:04:41.897 --> 0:04:45.017 here he is saying that. I mean, this is of 0:04:45.057 --> 0:04:47.177 all the arguments you hear around the Second Amendment and 0:04:47.217 --> 0:04:51.577 guns and gun violence, the it only protects muskets is 0:04:51.657 --> 0:04:54.017 probably for the dumbest people. I mean, that's the one, 0:04:54.457 --> 0:04:56.697 you know, that's the one where you say, this argument 0:04:56.777 --> 0:05:03.097 is so obviously absurd and stupid, so intellectually subpar. How 0:05:03.137 --> 0:05:05.417 could anyone make it with a straight face. Well, here's 0:05:05.417 --> 0:05:07.817 the governor of Illinois saying, the founders thought, you know, 0:05:07.857 --> 0:05:10.697 you wouldn't have had an assault weapon. Maybe it. Watch, 0:05:11.577 --> 0:05:16.857 our founders carried muskets, not assault weapons, and I don't 0:05:16.857 --> 0:05:18.937 think a single one of them would have said that 0:05:19.057 --> 0:05:21.817 you have a constitutional right to an assault weapon with 0:05:21.937 --> 0:05:26.737 a high capacity magazine. Supreme Court's already dealt with this. 0:05:27.017 --> 0:05:28.937 I mean, this has already been addressed by the highest 0:05:28.977 --> 0:05:30.577 court in the land. And it does make you sit 0:05:30.617 --> 0:05:34.217 here and say to yourself, what are the British Red coats? 0:05:34.217 --> 0:05:36.217 We just had Independence Day weekend. What are the British 0:05:36.257 --> 0:05:40.737 Red Coats carry? Oh? Yeah, muskets. So they were carrying 0:05:40.737 --> 0:05:45.217 the same thing that the colonists were able to carry, 0:05:45.617 --> 0:05:47.377 so that they can actually meet them on a battlefield 0:05:47.417 --> 0:05:50.737 and be a weapon against tyranny. Oh right, so weapons 0:05:50.737 --> 0:05:53.697 in common usage. Supreme courts already looked at this. If 0:05:53.737 --> 0:05:55.897 anyone who needs a little more assistance on the constitutional 0:05:55.937 --> 0:05:59.297 interpretation side of it. Yeah, they didn't know that assault 0:05:59.377 --> 0:06:01.657 rifles would exist in seventeen seventy six. They also didn't 0:06:01.657 --> 0:06:04.017 know the Internet would exist. So does free speech not 0:06:04.057 --> 0:06:08.377 include the internet? You utter moron, Governor Pritzker. But it Yeah, 0:06:08.417 --> 0:06:10.497 it's hard to believe he's actually that dumb. It feels 0:06:10.537 --> 0:06:13.417 like maybe he's just playing some kind of a political 0:06:13.497 --> 0:06:16.097 game here and playing to his bass because when he 0:06:16.137 --> 0:06:17.737 definitely doesn't want is for people to look at the 0:06:17.857 --> 0:06:21.857 primary the largest city in his state, Chicago, while there 0:06:21.937 --> 0:06:25.977 was this horrific seven fatality mass murder of the weekend 0:06:26.777 --> 0:06:30.577 from this clearly deranged little psychopath who's now in custody 0:06:30.617 --> 0:06:32.417 and facing charges. Put him in prison the rest of 0:06:32.417 --> 0:06:34.337 his life. I mean, if you believe in the death penalty, 0:06:34.377 --> 0:06:37.897 he should definitely get the death penalty. And yet in 0:06:37.977 --> 0:06:41.057 Chicago there were seventy one other shootings over the weekend. 0:06:41.097 --> 0:06:45.257 Seventy one people's shot, eight were killed. Now this is 0:06:46.097 --> 0:06:48.697 almost all handgun violence, by the way, this is all 0:06:48.697 --> 0:06:50.737 with handguns. So all the talk about asault rifles would 0:06:50.777 --> 0:06:53.657 do nothing to stop this. And this is just what 0:06:53.817 --> 0:07:01.057 is now considered somehow the new horrific normal in a 0:07:01.097 --> 0:07:03.937 city like Chicago, that over a holiday weekend in the summer, 0:07:04.297 --> 0:07:07.857 you're going to have not even just a few dozen, 0:07:08.177 --> 0:07:11.097 seventy one people shot, eight people killed in one weekend 0:07:11.097 --> 0:07:13.817 in one city. It's a lot of shootings, it's a 0:07:13.817 --> 0:07:17.137 lot of people getting bullets put in them by criminals, 0:07:18.177 --> 0:07:20.857 a lot of murderers running around in the city of Chicago, 0:07:21.737 --> 0:07:24.097 what is the governor doing, what's the mayor Laurie Liffeld doing? 0:07:24.137 --> 0:07:29.177 Obviously nothing, complaining about white supremacy, talking about the insurrection 0:07:29.417 --> 0:07:35.057 something like that, you know, not actually handling the outrageous 0:07:35.057 --> 0:07:40.057 surge of criminality that continues to rip through Chicago in 0:07:40.097 --> 0:07:41.937 a number of other cities. But Chicago is really in 0:07:42.257 --> 0:07:45.457 for a large city, in a class by itself, and 0:07:45.617 --> 0:07:47.817 the violence that occurs there is occurring in what is 0:07:47.817 --> 0:07:52.017 effectively the most restrictive gun law city in the country, 0:07:52.737 --> 0:07:58.377 in Chicago, DC, maybe New York. 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Police alleged that his nephew, Robert Kremo, 0:09:50.377 --> 0:09:53.257 as we said, had been planning the shooting for weeks 0:09:53.297 --> 0:09:56.137 in advance that left seven dead. They have yet to 0:09:56.217 --> 0:09:59.137 uncover or discuss a motive. Publicly joining me now to 0:09:59.137 --> 0:10:03.257 give his insights into yesterday shooting, retired FBI Supervisory Special 0:10:03.297 --> 0:10:06.457 Agent James Deagliano. James, thanks for being one of us. 0:10:07.577 --> 0:10:12.497 It would it be with you, bub So that's tough. Right, 0:10:12.537 --> 0:10:18.857 We sit here again another discussion about a vicious mass murder, 0:10:18.937 --> 0:10:21.937 shooting of innocent people, and there's a lot of we'll 0:10:21.977 --> 0:10:24.817 take a step away from the part is in finger pointing, 0:10:24.857 --> 0:10:27.257 it happens right away. The mental health side of this, 0:10:27.497 --> 0:10:31.257 I think that's one place where both sides can agree. 0:10:31.657 --> 0:10:34.737 There's clearly a problem right that these individuals. I mean, 0:10:34.737 --> 0:10:36.977 this guy's a psychopath. You don't have to have a 0:10:37.537 --> 0:10:41.217 degree in psychiatry to know that. How do you catch 0:10:41.257 --> 0:10:43.017 this stuff? James? I mean, I'm seeing some of your 0:10:43.017 --> 0:10:47.097 former colleagues and the FBI who are profilers going on 0:10:47.137 --> 0:10:50.897 TV to talk about it. Is that something that might 0:10:50.977 --> 0:10:54.417 be applicable, useful in advance of these incidents? How does 0:10:54.457 --> 0:10:58.737 that all work? I mean, buckets we talked in in 0:10:58.777 --> 0:11:01.057 the wake of a number of mass shootings like this, 0:11:01.137 --> 0:11:05.217 and it's a complex issue. As you know, there exists 0:11:05.257 --> 0:11:08.617 no panacea. I mean, there's no profiler in the world 0:11:08.617 --> 0:11:10.977 that's going to get these things right every time. And 0:11:11.017 --> 0:11:15.177 I think you alluded to it at the top. Evil exists. 0:11:15.697 --> 0:11:18.377 You want to tie it into mental health, of course, 0:11:18.417 --> 0:11:22.257 you want to tie it into a proliferation of weapons, okay, 0:11:22.417 --> 0:11:25.337 but there's not one set thing that we could do 0:11:25.457 --> 0:11:28.137 to stop this. Now. This guy fit the profile right 0:11:28.777 --> 0:11:32.777 disaffected or disenfranchised. And I'm not a psychologist or a 0:11:32.857 --> 0:11:35.937 sociologist either, but I think we can make that leap 0:11:36.017 --> 0:11:39.617 to say that this was a disenfranchised young man between 0:11:39.617 --> 0:11:42.897 the ages of eighteen and twenty five. And to your point, 0:11:43.257 --> 0:11:46.577 they come in all shapes and sizes and colors, and 0:11:46.617 --> 0:11:51.457 they hewed to different ideological ends of the spectrum. So 0:11:51.497 --> 0:11:54.497 there's not a one size fits all here. But it 0:11:54.537 --> 0:11:57.617 was a legally obtained weapon, and you had somebody that 0:11:57.777 --> 0:12:00.577 did clearly have and again I'm not trying to diagnose 0:12:00.617 --> 0:12:02.937 it on your show, but clearly had some type of 0:12:03.777 --> 0:12:08.457 mental issues. And I've been describing this all day as 0:12:09.017 --> 0:12:15.337 these people are grievance collectors. Something happened, something triggered it, 0:12:15.457 --> 0:12:18.417 whether they were an in cell, or whether they felt 0:12:18.417 --> 0:12:21.137 like they were marginalized, or whether or not they got 0:12:21.177 --> 0:12:24.897 online in their parents' basement and were radicalized, or heard 0:12:24.977 --> 0:12:29.617 some sirens call, some clarion call to go do something. 0:12:29.697 --> 0:12:32.137 Now we know of none of those things right now 0:12:32.177 --> 0:12:34.537 that exist because police have not released any of it. 0:12:34.857 --> 0:12:38.097 But if this goes to form, that's what we're gonna find. 0:12:38.217 --> 0:12:42.297 Somebody on the periphery, somebody marginalized, somebody that had been 0:12:42.337 --> 0:12:46.937 collecting grievances and decided to take it out yesterday in 0:12:47.097 --> 0:12:50.857 Highland Park, Illinois and kill. We just now know that 0:12:50.897 --> 0:12:54.217 there are now seven people dead and buck over two 0:12:54.257 --> 0:12:59.137 dozen wounded. James the state of Illinois, I understand it 0:12:59.217 --> 0:13:03.337 does have red flag laws, right, so this falls under 0:13:03.377 --> 0:13:07.377 the okay we keep hearing, if only we had the following. 0:13:07.417 --> 0:13:12.577 The state of Illinois has red flag laws. Illinois has 0:13:12.617 --> 0:13:16.617 a number of measures in place to prevent people from 0:13:16.657 --> 0:13:22.417 getting firearms, certainly illegally. I believe they have an assault 0:13:22.537 --> 0:13:24.457 rifle band, but I might need to check on that 0:13:24.497 --> 0:13:27.497 one in the state. I think it's it's difficult generally. 0:13:27.817 --> 0:13:30.417 I'm sorry they don't have a sault rifle band. But 0:13:30.537 --> 0:13:33.657 this would have fallen. This would fall under a case 0:13:33.697 --> 0:13:36.977 where the individual was even with the elevated age that 0:13:37.017 --> 0:13:39.737 people have talked about recently and the most recent legislation, 0:13:40.057 --> 0:13:42.137 he was twenty two, so he wouldn't have been covered 0:13:42.457 --> 0:13:47.137 in that restriction. So what are we supposed to think 0:13:47.537 --> 0:13:49.977 would have been What is the measure other than this 0:13:50.057 --> 0:13:54.977 guy's crazy lock him up indefinitely that law enforcement could 0:13:55.057 --> 0:14:01.737 take in advance of him actually engaging in this heinous plot. Sure, 0:14:01.897 --> 0:14:04.697 and we live in a free and open society and 0:14:04.737 --> 0:14:07.977 we don't want to live under martial law. And in 0:14:08.097 --> 0:14:09.737 order for us to live in a free and open 0:14:09.817 --> 0:14:14.457 society and cherish our civil liberties, these things are going 0:14:14.537 --> 0:14:16.977 to happen, and people are gonna push back and say, well, 0:14:16.977 --> 0:14:19.977 you've got to stop it. Well, every time somebody says 0:14:19.977 --> 0:14:23.777 something hateful and bigoted, you can't lock them up for it. Yes, 0:14:23.817 --> 0:14:28.457 we know the difference between fomenting and inciting riots or 0:14:28.697 --> 0:14:32.857 hate speech designed to get people hurt. We understand those differences. 0:14:33.137 --> 0:14:35.777 But the bottom line is the First Amendment doesn't protect 0:14:35.817 --> 0:14:39.057 the right to free speech that you and I like, Buck, 0:14:39.337 --> 0:14:44.217 It protects free speech that we abhore. Now you mentioned Chicago. 0:14:44.697 --> 0:14:46.977 This is a city much like the city of New York, 0:14:47.017 --> 0:14:49.617 which is sixty miles south from where I live, and 0:14:50.377 --> 0:14:52.897 I spent twenty five years there as an FBI agent, 0:14:53.257 --> 0:14:58.297 some of the most draconian laws related to weapons. Right now, 0:14:58.657 --> 0:15:02.257 this past fourth or July weekend that just concluded, I 0:15:02.297 --> 0:15:05.137 want to give you some staggering statistics about the city 0:15:05.137 --> 0:15:08.137 of Chicago, which is only twenty miles away from Highland Park, 0:15:08.897 --> 0:15:12.417 seventy one people shot this weekend Buck. Eight were killed. 0:15:13.017 --> 0:15:15.737 Last year over the Fourth of July weekend in Chicago 0:15:16.177 --> 0:15:21.057 one hundred plus shot, nineteen killed twenty twenty, the height 0:15:21.137 --> 0:15:25.497 of the pandemic. Buck in Chicago over Fourth of July weekend, 0:15:25.937 --> 0:15:30.337 seventy nine shot and fifteen killed. So look, that's not 0:15:30.377 --> 0:15:34.177 a red herring. I'm not trying to you know, point 0:15:34.177 --> 0:15:37.257 people in another direction. But it's important we understand when 0:15:37.257 --> 0:15:40.177 we talk about mass shootings, which are generally described as 0:15:40.617 --> 0:15:45.017 three or more people wounded or killed. These go on 0:15:45.257 --> 0:15:49.457 in perpetuity and in big cities, in large cities, they 0:15:49.497 --> 0:15:53.137 happen multiple times every weekend. That's where we have a 0:15:53.217 --> 0:15:57.017 proliferation of illegal weapons. Now, I wish I could have 0:15:57.057 --> 0:15:58.617 and I know you would have done the same thing, 0:15:59.137 --> 0:16:05.897 stopped this depraved miscreant, this Cretan who perpetrated this awful, awful, 0:16:06.137 --> 0:16:09.097 heinous crime. But if you're gonna live in a city 0:16:09.417 --> 0:16:12.457 or in a date, we're in a country that doesn't 0:16:12.537 --> 0:16:16.177 hue to martial law. Buck evil exists. We do the 0:16:16.217 --> 0:16:17.857 best we can to get out in front of it 0:16:17.897 --> 0:16:21.377 and prevent it. But it's not a perfect, full safe system. 0:16:21.417 --> 0:16:24.657 Anything that you see here, James, that you think so far, 0:16:24.737 --> 0:16:26.537 I know, we're still getting a lot of details. But 0:16:27.177 --> 0:16:31.417 law enforcements miss the red miss the red flag, miss 0:16:31.497 --> 0:16:35.017 the indicators here, or is this just too hard to 0:16:35.057 --> 0:16:39.057 catch in advance based on the info we have so far. Yeah, 0:16:39.537 --> 0:16:41.537 we're always going to get that where people are gonna 0:16:41.737 --> 0:16:45.297 are understandably gonna push back and go how come you 0:16:45.337 --> 0:16:47.617 didn't know this, or how come you didn't stop this? 0:16:47.937 --> 0:16:51.497 Or if this person was quote unquote on your radar, 0:16:51.937 --> 0:16:54.177 how come you didn't take them off the street. Well, 0:16:54.217 --> 0:16:57.697 we can't arrest people just because we think they might 0:16:57.777 --> 0:17:01.297 do something. There has to be two parts of a crime, right. 0:17:01.337 --> 0:17:03.897 It has to be the actual act the actors rays, 0:17:04.217 --> 0:17:05.737 and then it has to be the men's ray the 0:17:05.857 --> 0:17:08.497 thought process to do it. A lot of times you 0:17:08.577 --> 0:17:11.057 can't hit these things off in a buck. I think 0:17:11.177 --> 0:17:14.137 one thing that strikes me is police are still referring 0:17:14.137 --> 0:17:17.537 to this person as a person of interest. Now, person 0:17:17.617 --> 0:17:21.777 of interest is not somebody charged with a crime. This individual, 0:17:21.857 --> 0:17:24.177 to my knowledge now it could have happened and they 0:17:24.257 --> 0:17:27.177 just haven't announced it yet, has not been charged with 0:17:27.417 --> 0:17:30.017 a crime. So he's considered to be a person of 0:17:30.217 --> 0:17:33.657 interest who was possibly involved in a crime. So it's 0:17:33.657 --> 0:17:35.697 going to be interesting to see as the police are 0:17:35.777 --> 0:17:40.257 gathering information. They're certainly scrubbing the internet where where this 0:17:40.417 --> 0:17:45.977 individual was involved in tons of disturbing imagery and postings, 0:17:46.177 --> 0:17:48.297 and they're obviously going to be doing good old fashioned 0:17:48.337 --> 0:17:51.577 detective work talking to people and finding out who this 0:17:51.737 --> 0:17:55.137 person came in contact with, did anyone inspire him or 0:17:55.217 --> 0:17:57.577 direct him to do this hateful act, and if so, 0:17:57.977 --> 0:18:00.977 was there some type of conspiracy and roll those people 0:18:01.097 --> 0:18:03.017 up as well. We'll know more than the next few days. 0:18:03.177 --> 0:18:06.697 Buck James. Always appreciate the expertise in the perspective. Thanks 0:18:06.737 --> 0:18:11.297 for joining us, Thanks for having me. With calls for 0:18:11.337 --> 0:18:13.897 a stricter gun control likely to increase in the coming weeks. 0:18:13.977 --> 0:18:16.577 The state of New York has passed a new measure 0:18:16.657 --> 0:18:19.697 that essentially nullifies the Supreme Court's recent ruling on concealed 0:18:19.777 --> 0:18:22.097 Harry permit. We'll have more on that with senior legal 0:18:22.137 --> 0:18:25.297 correspondent at the Federalist Margot Cleveland. Coming up first, let's 0:18:25.337 --> 0:18:27.337 talk about pro checking your most viable asset, your home. 0:18:27.377 --> 0:18:28.697 I don't know if you saw this, but there was 0:18:28.737 --> 0:18:31.457 a recent story about an Arizona real estate agent that 0:18:31.497 --> 0:18:33.217 found the home she lived and was listed for sale. 0:18:33.257 --> 0:18:35.617 The problem was he wasn't selling her home. 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Go to home title loock 0:19:08.257 --> 0:19:11.137 dot com and read the testimony from FBI agents and 0:19:11.257 --> 0:19:14.577 government officials. Then register address to see if you're already 0:19:14.577 --> 0:19:16.297 a victim and don't even know it. And when you 0:19:16.377 --> 0:19:18.257 protect your home, tell them Buck sent you to get 0:19:18.337 --> 0:19:21.937 thirty free days of protection. Home titlelock dot com. That's 0:19:22.017 --> 0:19:24.657 home titlelock dot com will be right back with more. 0:19:25.057 --> 0:19:34.337 Hold the line. Two weeks ago, the Supreme Court made 0:19:34.337 --> 0:19:37.777 it clear that the Constitution guarantees law abiding citizens the 0:19:37.937 --> 0:19:40.897 right to keep and bear arms for self defense, both 0:19:40.937 --> 0:19:43.417 in their homes and in public. But on Friday, New 0:19:43.497 --> 0:19:45.737 York Governor Kathy Hukill signed into law a new gun 0:19:45.817 --> 0:19:49.417 control legislation that effectively nullifies the High courts pro Second 0:19:49.457 --> 0:19:54.537 Amendment decision the Supreme Court's decisions were certainly setbacks, but 0:19:54.657 --> 0:19:57.777 we view them as only temporary setbacks because I refuse, 0:19:57.937 --> 0:20:00.137 as I've said from day one, I refuse to surrender 0:20:00.257 --> 0:20:03.017 my right as governor to protect New Yorkers from gun 0:20:03.097 --> 0:20:06.497 violence or any other form of harm. We're not going backwards. 0:20:06.937 --> 0:20:09.137 They may think they can change our lives with the 0:20:09.177 --> 0:20:12.697 stroke of a pen, but we have pens too. I 0:20:12.777 --> 0:20:16.297 would say that Governor Hokel is rejecting federalism, but she's 0:20:16.417 --> 0:20:18.817 a moron and doesn't know what federalism is. So there's that. 0:20:19.297 --> 0:20:23.897 Jolie Outh reaction. Senior legal correspondent at The Federalist, Margot Cleveland. Margot, 0:20:23.937 --> 0:20:27.297 thanks for being with us, Thanks for having me. Okay, 0:20:27.337 --> 0:20:29.537 so first just tell us. I mean, you wrote an 0:20:29.577 --> 0:20:33.177 in depth piece about New York's decision to tighten already 0:20:33.297 --> 0:20:37.737 very strict and unconstitutional in fact gun laws. So what 0:20:37.977 --> 0:20:40.857 have they done? This hasn't gotten a lot of media play, 0:20:41.017 --> 0:20:44.777 yet what have they done in response? So, Buck, they 0:20:44.897 --> 0:20:49.297 passed a law that actually did two very problematic things. First, 0:20:49.537 --> 0:20:53.897 they put in very specific provisions for someone to apply 0:20:54.297 --> 0:20:58.617 and obtain a concealed carey permit, and among other things, 0:20:58.697 --> 0:21:03.337 that required very extensive training as well as background checks 0:21:03.537 --> 0:21:06.857 and things along those lines, which is not the problem. 0:21:07.097 --> 0:21:10.697 The problem is that it also requires the individuals to 0:21:10.857 --> 0:21:14.297 turn over the names of any social media accounts they've 0:21:14.377 --> 0:21:17.657 used in the last three years. And the problem there 0:21:17.937 --> 0:21:20.977 is are they going to be looking at what an 0:21:21.017 --> 0:21:25.257 individual's speech is to deny them the permit. Now, obviously, 0:21:25.537 --> 0:21:28.697 when you have people on social media saying I'm going 0:21:28.777 --> 0:21:33.457 to kill someone, things along those lines, completely legitimate issues. 0:21:34.017 --> 0:21:36.297 But not if they're all of a sudden looking at 0:21:36.497 --> 0:21:38.617 things such as we're going to fight back, we're not 0:21:38.737 --> 0:21:42.177 going to election fraud happen, is that going to be 0:21:42.297 --> 0:21:45.697 a basis to exclude it. So that's one part of 0:21:45.737 --> 0:21:49.297 the opinion that's problematic. It sounds like they are going 0:21:49.337 --> 0:21:52.377 to be looking at an individual's speech, and we're not 0:21:52.537 --> 0:21:57.177 talking about violent speech threats, but just speech in general. 0:21:57.697 --> 0:22:01.697 But the bigger problem is what the statute did. It 0:22:01.897 --> 0:22:07.217 went through a through sub I think t sort of 0:22:07.497 --> 0:22:11.457 places that it defined as sensitive places. I can I 0:22:11.497 --> 0:22:14.657 Actually we have the Governor of Margo saying those sensitive 0:22:14.657 --> 0:22:16.297 places I want to have your react to it. Go ahead, 0:22:17.457 --> 0:22:24.217 shots ring out, flags come down, and nothing ever changes 0:22:25.937 --> 0:22:28.897 except here in New York. In New York, we are 0:22:29.017 --> 0:22:33.057 taking bold, strong action. We're tightening the red flag laws 0:22:33.297 --> 0:22:37.057 to keep guns away from dangerous people, and we're raising 0:22:37.177 --> 0:22:40.977 the age of semi automatic weapons so no eighteen year 0:22:41.017 --> 0:22:43.937 old can walk in on their birthday and walk out 0:22:43.977 --> 0:22:48.457 with an AAR fifteenth. Those days are over. Sorry, she 0:22:48.657 --> 0:22:50.577 actually was going to list the places. That was a 0:22:50.617 --> 0:22:54.137 different clip. So tell us about the places. Sure, So 0:22:54.417 --> 0:22:57.497 the places are so broad it would have been easier 0:22:57.537 --> 0:23:00.457 to say where you could carry a weapon, which it 0:23:00.657 --> 0:23:04.177 sounds like is from your house walking down the street 0:23:04.377 --> 0:23:08.057 to your car, because it excludes any places where the 0:23:08.137 --> 0:23:13.297 public well come together. Could be in a protest, it 0:23:13.337 --> 0:23:16.497 could be at Times Square, it could be at a 0:23:18.337 --> 0:23:22.297 gathering to listen to, a music festival, a museum. It 0:23:22.497 --> 0:23:27.457 goes through and details all of these places as sensitive places. 0:23:28.017 --> 0:23:31.017 And the reason this is key is the Supreme Court 0:23:31.337 --> 0:23:34.737 made clear the right to keep in bear arms is 0:23:35.297 --> 0:23:39.537 bearing arms outside the home for self defense. And the 0:23:39.737 --> 0:23:45.537 exception in the opinion spoke of sensitive places such as 0:23:46.017 --> 0:23:52.617 polling places, the legislature, and schools. It didn't expand it 0:23:53.017 --> 0:23:56.137 beyond that. And in fact, the Court said you can't 0:23:56.177 --> 0:23:59.257 just say, someplace being populous is enough to make it 0:23:59.297 --> 0:24:03.137 a sensitive place. So what New York did, and they 0:24:03.217 --> 0:24:06.897 don't look like they're embarrassed by, they're actually proud, is 0:24:07.097 --> 0:24:09.497