Speaker 1: Do gingers have souls at this one. I'm a fishing
Speaker 1: vesta that every time he hits the water, the cool
Speaker 1: kids beat the piss out of him. If you hate
Speaker 1: and fixed legos, don't ever go there like that will
Speaker 1: be your personal health. Can find my scissors anywhere, man
Speaker 1: will Merry Christmas, degenerate anglers from me Joe Surmelie and
Speaker 1: me Miles Nulty, and welcome to the bent Christmas Spectacular
Speaker 1: that we sincerely hope none of you are listening to
Speaker 1: today on actual Christmas, we truly hope you are spending
Speaker 1: actual Christmas Day with family and friends, pounding egg nog
Speaker 1: and stacking up those Amazon gift for seats you can
Speaker 1: buy the new rod that you really wanted for Christmas.
Speaker 1: Genuine question, how does your family fixed egg like? What
Speaker 1: go to tradition? This is important, It's plain, Jane, But
Speaker 1: you asked, so now I have to give a shout
Speaker 1: out to Halo Farms at Trenton, New Jersey staple because
Speaker 1: there's no better pre made eggnog on the planet than
Speaker 1: Halo Farms. If I could ship you some without its spoiling,
Speaker 1: I would, But that said, not like chilled chilled Halo
Speaker 1: knog springs the nutmeg, and I traditionally go Maker's mark.
Speaker 1: I like bourbon over rum. However, if you want to
Speaker 1: make an extra sweet and GIRLI go a little crown
Speaker 1: Robe vanilla. You don't. You don't do the you don't
Speaker 1: do the warm meg nug thing. I thought that was
Speaker 1: like what what people did out east. That's not that's
Speaker 1: not what you do. No, I don't. My family never has,
Speaker 1: and I know that's the thing. We just never did that.
Speaker 1: I personally like it chilled, and I'd be afraid I'd
Speaker 1: overwarm it and just end up with pancakes, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. So since you brought it up, I'm
Speaker 1: really not a fan of any hot or warm alcoholic
Speaker 1: beverages like hot Toddies. And you don't do the hotti No,
Speaker 1: it's I've had them. I don't know. Like alcohol is not.
Speaker 1: It's not supposed to be hot to me. I don't
Speaker 1: like it. See I I can't go with you on
Speaker 1: the hot Toddy, but I'm with you on the eggnog. Eggnog.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm totally with you on And I think
Speaker 1: I always thought it was because I grew up in
Speaker 1: a warm climate, right like one of those places that
Speaker 1: you dog on because it doesn't have seasonally appropriate weather
Speaker 1: for Christmas, therefore it really doesn't have Christmas. But that's
Speaker 1: the whole other thing. I'm not I'm not touching that,
Speaker 1: but dude, when it's eighty degrees outside, warm eggnog is gross. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would imagine it is. You already think it's not
Speaker 1: something you want to consume, but imagine when it's like
Speaker 1: when you're sweaty and someone's like, here, I have a
Speaker 1: hot cup eggnogg. But my family had this super special
Speaker 1: eggnog drink that they always used to make and and
Speaker 1: so I don't know where it came from, but it
Speaker 1: was very very specific. You would in a blender, you
Speaker 1: would combine eggnog, eggnog, ice cream, crushed ice, spiced rum,
Speaker 1: and brandy and you blend it all up into like
Speaker 1: this North Pole Carnival cruise boat drink and then and
Speaker 1: then a little little little bit of nut make for garnish,
Speaker 1: and uh, dude, it's so good. And that for all
Speaker 1: of you out there who live in in hot climates
Speaker 1: and still do have real Christmas like and you want
Speaker 1: to feel jolly, highly recommend doing that. If you can
Speaker 1: find the eggnog ice cream because that's that's key and
Speaker 1: it's kind of hard to find. So there's my holiday tip.
Speaker 1: Damn dude. You know, I got a lot of places
Speaker 1: around here, including Halo Farms and Trent Trent, New Jersey
Speaker 1: staple and make a delicious eggnog ice cream as well.
Speaker 1: If we could be sponsored by them, I'd be okay
Speaker 1: with it. I would drink the ship out of what
Speaker 1: you just described and so good, not kidding, I already
Speaker 1: know at some point my wife's gonna listen to this
Speaker 1: and go, Oh, that drink Myles was talking about sounds delicious. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we should make those. And we're big, we're big Peny
Speaker 1: Colota fans here, so I can get down on this.
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, do that seriously, like honestly, do that,
Speaker 1: And I want to hear how it comes out. And
Speaker 1: if you guys try it, which I hope you do,
Speaker 1: let me know how it goes for you. Anyway, we
Speaker 1: hope that all of you out there are off doing
Speaker 1: whatever Christmas e things bring you joy, unless you know
Speaker 1: you don't celebrate Christmas for religious or other reasons, in
Speaker 1: which case we hope you're out taking advantage of the
Speaker 1: fact that all the fishing spots are virtually empty either way, though,
Speaker 1: good chance that by the time you listen to this show,
Speaker 1: Christmas will be over and this will just be an
Speaker 1: annoying out of season episode that you have to sit through.
Speaker 1: And you're welcome for all that, oh man, but we
Speaker 1: have to press on because it's Friday, and doesn't that
Speaker 1: it's Friday, man, that's the show. And before we get
Speaker 1: to all the auditory gifts that we've wrapped for you,
Speaker 1: quick reminder that this podcast is fueled by Black Rifle
Speaker 1: Coffee and thank God for that because when my children
Speaker 1: come tearing into my room at five am Christmas morning,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need that before I can even look at them. Basically,
Speaker 1: so go to Black Rifle Coffee dot com backslash meetator
Speaker 1: to get your hands on some and use the promo
Speaker 1: code meat Eater at checkout to take off your order
Speaker 1: in there, whether you meant to or not. Joe, you
Speaker 1: brought up this interesting point right, So we're in the
Speaker 1: strange like pre post Christmas time warp because we're recording
Speaker 1: this right now before Christmas. Yes, and and this episode
Speaker 1: will release on Christmas Day, yes it will. But we
Speaker 1: don't expect anyone to actually listen to it until after Christmas.
Speaker 1: We do not, yes, so, so what everyone's hearing are
Speaker 1: the voices of past Miles and Joe talking about events
Speaker 1: that future Miles and Joe are going to experience, intended
Speaker 1: for an audience where that future has already passed. The
Speaker 1: only true wisdom consists in knowing that you know nothing.
Speaker 1: That's us dude. Oh yeah, yeah, and that's all right.
Speaker 1: Just don't overthink it. I mean, it's it's a fishing podcast.
Speaker 1: Christmas ship god say, but if you want to go
Speaker 1: that heavy root. Right now, Present Joe is probably losing
Speaker 1: a ship because his kid has decided to put the
Speaker 1: stickers on her Barbie Camper van herself instead of waiting
Speaker 1: for President Joe to do that for her. There are tears.
Speaker 1: President Joe is yelling, what's present Miles likely up to?
Speaker 1: At this point, Present Miles is probably wishing he could
Speaker 1: irish up his coffee because his son has gone into
Speaker 1: full on Toddler dictator mode, demanding presence and refusing breakfast
Speaker 1: is what I'm guessing. And and then I'm getting annoyed
Speaker 1: and starting to lose it. And then my brilliant wife
Speaker 1: steps in and says, why don't we all just go
Speaker 1: take a walk, and we get outside, and she's much
Speaker 1: smarter than me, and everything works out fine. That's my guess.
Speaker 1: Ah see, now that's that's pretty close, except that we
Speaker 1: won't take a walk. Everybody will just go to their
Speaker 1: separate rooms and be like, you go take your ship
Speaker 1: and go to your room. Daddy's going in the garage
Speaker 1: for a little while. Anyway, in the spirit of the
Speaker 1: season and this show, um, we have pulled together a
Speaker 1: whole series of holiday greetings from some of our favorite
Speaker 1: regular contributors here on Ben and we'll be sprinkling those throughout,
Speaker 1: just like shitty candied fruit nuggets an ant Linda's concrete fruitcake.
Speaker 1: After all, I mean, we want to be surrounded by
Speaker 1: our friends for Christmas in this digital world where created too,
Speaker 1: So yeah we do. And kicking it off for us
Speaker 1: one of our more i might even say, our most
Speaker 1: esteemed guests, Yeah totally. You probably know him as a
Speaker 1: famous actor, but we just know him as the proprietor
Speaker 1: of the finest bait shopping Upstate New York. Here's ray
Speaker 1: leo to himself. Hey, how you doing this? Is ray
Speaker 1: at Rayliota's Bait and Tackle and Pulaska New York Wish
Speaker 1: and Use Merry Christmas shops open today from ten to
Speaker 1: seven and today only, everything in stock is half price.
Speaker 1: We've also got free canalis made by Karen and a
Speaker 1: big pot of pasta lajol made by my mother in law.
Speaker 1: So come on by. I'm just with you today. It's
Speaker 1: Christmas putty stupid. First, I just want to thank Ray
Speaker 1: because he actually called us. He called us asking if
Speaker 1: he could give a holiday greeting on our show exclusively,
Speaker 1: which is huge for us, you know. And I also
Speaker 1: got to say, um, you can just feel the compassion
Speaker 1: oozing from from every word that man speaks. And you know,
Speaker 1: I'm realizing that they were going to keep that streak
Speaker 1: going because in our next segment, we're interviewing Captain and
Speaker 1: Lake Erie fishing wizard Ross Robertson, a guy who's about
Speaker 1: as empathetic as a gator snatching puppies from the retirement community.
Speaker 1: Oh it was a reference. Didn't you see the viral
Speaker 1: video the dude pulling his puppy out of that gator's jaws.
Speaker 1: It's it's current events. I thought it was. It was
Speaker 1: very heartwarming. Yeah, And besides, you know Ross knows that
Speaker 1: I'll only bust his balls out of love. He and
Speaker 1: I have a long history and a fish together many times.
Speaker 1: But there is still much I don't know about Ross.
Speaker 1: All those questions and more we answered in a Rapid
Speaker 1: Fire interview segment Covering Water. I'm going in. I can
Speaker 1: hold it all right today in front of the firing
Speaker 1: squad on covering Water, our news segment, Please welcome my
Speaker 1: dear old friend, Captain Ross Robertson. What's going on, buddy,
Speaker 1: I've already jumped ship here and I'm not I'm friend,
Speaker 1: not acquaintance, moving up the world. I normally I'm just
Speaker 1: guess guest guests. Guy. We picked up in the parking
Speaker 1: lot at the ramp, Ross Robertson. I gotta say, nobody
Speaker 1: can see you, but I love it. You have the
Speaker 1: full orange beard going right now. That's very festive for
Speaker 1: this time of year. It looks warm, your face looks warm.
Speaker 1: Ginger close. That's that's the whole game anyway. Anyway, So
Speaker 1: to reiterate how covering water works, this is where we
Speaker 1: um rapid Fire a bunch of of essentially useless information
Speaker 1: about a notable fishing personality at you, guys, And and
Speaker 1: the way the game is played here is, um, we're
Speaker 1: gonna put two minutes on the clock and Miles and
Speaker 1: I are gonna go back and forth and rapid fire
Speaker 1: questions at you, and we want to answer as many
Speaker 1: of them as we can within that two minutes. So
Speaker 1: you can't think too long about them, and you can't
Speaker 1: pontificate on them. You just gotta kind of just go.
Speaker 1: You just got whatever pops into your head as the
Speaker 1: answer for association, free association, Yes, a poodle, a noodle,
Speaker 1: a doodle, whatever, from as as as basically two minutes
Speaker 1: and ALUs your career correct, let's go correct. And but
Speaker 1: then what we'll do is is you take the biggest
Speaker 1: career ending answer and we'll give you one minute on
Speaker 1: the clock at the end to expand and elaborate on
Speaker 1: that answer. To beg for forgiveness, I got and beg
Speaker 1: for forgiveness exactly. So, uh, if you're clear on the rules,
Speaker 1: we can we can get going here. Miles, I'll hit
Speaker 1: the first question and we'll roll from there. Ross Are
Speaker 1: you ready to play? No, but let's go any home, Okay.
Speaker 1: Two minutes starts now, four loco or vodka Red Bull
Speaker 1: Vodka Red Bull for sure? Crawler hard? Is fishing brilliant
Speaker 1: or boring? To? Did you about to get whooped? Right now?
Speaker 1: It's brilliant? You moving on? Where's Christmas gift you ever got?
Speaker 1: Probably something a big ball? Nothing from Joe Strommelly okay?
Speaker 1: Which is more delicious? Walleye or perch? Perch? Actually okay?
Speaker 1: Best walleye fishery in the country outside the Great Lakes
Speaker 1: some Canadian lake that I can't even think of because
Speaker 1: we're on time. Of that name. One thing most ice
Speaker 1: anglers do wrong don't move enough. Most critical electronic on
Speaker 1: your boat. Um my son, our GPS, my homing bird
Speaker 1: for sure? Greatest angler of all time? Huh probably Alander.
Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna go Ross Robertson. Species you've
Speaker 1: never caught but hope to someday. Uh, God you that
Speaker 1: should be the simplest one. Taking too long? Billfish? Yeah,
Speaker 1: guy go Miles. Gobi's invasive problem species are great bait fish,
Speaker 1: great bait fish, yummy, m Okay. You can spend eight
Speaker 1: hours in a pop up with any celebrity. Who is it?
Speaker 1: Anybody but josephm Elly, um or it's gotta be some
Speaker 1: hot chick. I mean, like paym Anderson in the nineties.
Speaker 1: Let's go I love that you got the time that
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it later. Good good on you for
Speaker 1: the nineties. They'll go ahead. Do gingers have souls? Not
Speaker 1: this one spring or fall wall eyes? If you could
Speaker 1: only pick one spring. What's the most annoying thing that
Speaker 1: clients do? Breathe? Man? And you know, like the time
Speaker 1: were actually stopped on the last question there, and like
Speaker 1: if there was a career end or you got it
Speaker 1: in just at the buzzer, dude, like right just right there.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna put a minute, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put a minute back. I'm gonna put a minute back
Speaker 1: on the clock here that starts now. And you can
Speaker 1: expand or elaborate on any one of your answers. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously the client breathing thing, because I'm good venturing to
Speaker 1: take somewhere of those you know, no, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: guiding is probably uh and I know Miles knows this.
Speaker 1: It's a very rewarding but very challenging thing. And a
Speaker 1: lot of times people won't allow you to help them,
Speaker 1: and a lot of people don't they know, you know,
Speaker 1: what needs to happen because you're playing chess and they're
Speaker 1: playing checkers. And sometimes people just being there like I mean,
Speaker 1: they just they don't listen to anything you're saying from
Speaker 1: from from step one, and it puts you behind. By
Speaker 1: the time they realize that, you know, the day is
Speaker 1: over or the opportunity has been missed. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: it's that you've spoken to fish, or you haven't switched,
Speaker 1: or or the bite has changed, the bite is over
Speaker 1: with and the good guide clients are the ones that
Speaker 1: have open minds and will actually listen to what you're saying.
Speaker 1: And most people are not that way. They try to think.
Speaker 1: And you know, a lot of the guys that I
Speaker 1: have are successful people. They own their own business and
Speaker 1: they're trying to outthink me when they just should just
Speaker 1: be paying attention to what's going on and helping allowing
Speaker 1: me to help them, because that's ultimately what makes a
Speaker 1: successful day. I've been there, done that. I'm doing it
Speaker 1: for them, not for me. That was like a minute
Speaker 1: ten and I'll give it to you. That was pretty
Speaker 1: That was pretty tight on the mat. I let you
Speaker 1: go a couple of extra seconds but that was fun,
Speaker 1: and we we have confirmed that you do not have
Speaker 1: a soul, which I've I've known for almost over a
Speaker 1: decade at this point. Anyway, thank you for taking part
Speaker 1: in covering What are my friends have? But I don't
Speaker 1: talk to you before then? Haven't married Christmas? Happy New Year?
Speaker 1: Thank you. I feel like I've only lost ten percent
Speaker 1: of my fan base. Wow, Al Lindner, you are batting
Speaker 1: a thousand in this segment so far as reduced angler
Speaker 1: of all time. That's uh, that's that's high praise right there.
Speaker 1: Kudos do you, sir? Now number you wrote in after
Speaker 1: the first Covering Water we did to tell us that
Speaker 1: you dug the segment, so we're gonna keep it going.
Speaker 1: If you have someone in mind you'd like to hear
Speaker 1: peppered with questions both inane and illuminating, tell us if
Speaker 1: we think it's a good idea, we'll try to get
Speaker 1: on the show, and we'll also give you credit for
Speaker 1: sending us the idea. I do know one person who
Speaker 1: will not be on Covering Water, and that's our resident
Speaker 1: West Coast steel head expert, Skatchet Johnson. It's not that
Speaker 1: we don't think Skatchet would make for a good interview.
Speaker 1: It's it's more a format problem, Like he's not really
Speaker 1: like a quick on his feet kind of thinker, works
Speaker 1: his way through deep questions the same way he swings
Speaker 1: runs slowly and methodically. We also, I feel I couldn't
Speaker 1: really grill him on on West Coast Steelhead right now
Speaker 1: because I get the impression he hasn't caught one in
Speaker 1: a while. You never know he has, It's been kind
Speaker 1: of slow. He did, however, manage to record a Christmas
Speaker 1: greeting for all of you. This is your old steel
Speaker 1: hidden buddy Scatchet Johnson out of here in Oregon, wishing
Speaker 1: you a green Christmas, Happy holidays. I was gonna tie
Speaker 1: up a dozen winners, hope to swing on the lower
Speaker 1: clack and see if the fish you're feeling festive, But
Speaker 1: I can't find my scissors anywhere. Man, Oh, well, what's
Speaker 1: hope the fish are an old dead next year. I
Speaker 1: can almost taste the piney tang and wood smoke of
Speaker 1: a Pacific Northwest steelhead camp when I hear Scatchet's voice. Man,
Speaker 1: it's evocative. So there's a lot going on there, but
Speaker 1: it's not as evocative as the book that I'm going
Speaker 1: to cover in this week's Freaking Philistines, which also just
Speaker 1: happens to be set on a Pacific Northwest Steelhead River. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is one of those books that I know I
Speaker 1: should read. In fact, I've been meaning to read it
Speaker 1: for over a decade now, but I think the guilt
Speaker 1: over not having read it already just makes it harder
Speaker 1: for me to make myself pick up a copy. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean, I do. I totally get that
Speaker 1: that that guilt just kind of creates a block. But
Speaker 1: I'm not judging. I'm just saying, you really should read
Speaker 1: the book, like I think you will appreciate it when
Speaker 1: you do, and it's that good. I love that book.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know. Maybe I'll make it
Speaker 1: a new Year's resolution anyway. This week on Freak and Philistines,
Speaker 1: the segment where we tell all of you ingrads to
Speaker 1: put down your screens and read a goddamn book once
Speaker 1: in a while, Miles is going to tell you about
Speaker 1: the classic David James Duncan novel The river Y. What's
Speaker 1: a fasting? It's a guy who doesn't care about books.
Speaker 1: Are interesting films and things, but I'm fasting movie adaptations
Speaker 1: of books are almost always inferior, with certain exceptions. The Godfather,
Speaker 1: Fight Club, High Fidelity, and The Princess Bride come to mind,
Speaker 1: but by and large we all know Hollywood screws up
Speaker 1: our favorite author's visions. As far as fishing books go,
Speaker 1: The River Wy might offer the most egregious offense. I
Speaker 1: say might because I've never actually seen the movie. I
Speaker 1: haven't seen it because I refused to watch a complex, thoughtful,
Speaker 1: and hilarious book turned into a cheesy rom com starting
Speaker 1: the backup quarterback from Friday Night Lights. Sitting aside my
Speaker 1: casting skepticism, The original author, David James Duncan, disavowed said
Speaker 1: movie and tried to get his name removed from the
Speaker 1: project after seeing it. That's never a good sign, and
Speaker 1: in this case, it's a genuine tragedy, because The River
Speaker 1: Wy is probably my favorite fishing book ever. We meet
Speaker 1: the protagonist, Gus Orviston, just after he's barely managed to
Speaker 1: graduate from high school, squeaking by with a two point
Speaker 1: three g p A and taking an extra year to
Speaker 1: get there. Gus may not be a traditional scholar, but
Speaker 1: he is a fishing prodigy, and he's about to finally
Speaker 1: achieve his dream. He's moving out of his parents house
Speaker 1: to a cabin next to a river, where he will
Speaker 1: live out his ideal schedule, which, once adjusted for thorny
Speaker 1: necessities like sleep, food, and minimal work, allows him to
Speaker 1: fish fourteen and a half hours a day, seven days
Speaker 1: a week, and that works out to about four thousand
Speaker 1: angling hours per year. Gus quickly learns a somewhat familiar
Speaker 1: lesson in this genre of fiction, getting exactly what you
Speaker 1: want can lead to disappointment. From there, Gus embarks on
Speaker 1: a pretty standard coming of age novel journey. Since fishing
Speaker 1: all the time doesn't actually make him happy, he has
Speaker 1: to figure out what will, and we watch young Gusts
Speaker 1: stumble his way into wisdom, friendships, and of course, romance.
Speaker 1: I can see why Hollywood would want to turn this
Speaker 1: book into Sleep List in Seattle With Fishing, the basic plot,
Speaker 1: when stripped of Duncan's wit, insight, and brilliantly strange characters,
Speaker 1: isn't all that compelling, But the book itself is rich, thoughtful, funny,
Speaker 1: and and unexpected. On every page, it captures the experience
Speaker 1: of an awkward and overly analytical teenager with a phishing obsession.
Speaker 1: It's layered with Duncan's deep knowledge of religious and philosophical
Speaker 1: traditions from around the world, but he employs that knowledge
Speaker 1: to progress the story, so it never feels like he's
Speaker 1: just showing off. Finally, the book and its characters capture
Speaker 1: all the many ways that fishing is a great metaphor
Speaker 1: for the diversity of the American experience, from high minded
Speaker 1: fly fishing literary snobs like Gus's father, who he calls
Speaker 1: h twoo, to down home as salt of the earth,
Speaker 1: baits soaking rednecks like Gus's mother, who he calls Ma.
Speaker 1: For example, here are a few passages from a chapter
Speaker 1: called Being Educated and Getting brung Up. When people are kids,
Speaker 1: their parents teach them all sorts of stuff, some of
Speaker 1: it true and useful, some of it absurd hogwash example
Speaker 1: of the former, don't crap your pants example of the latter,
Speaker 1: Columbus discovered America. This is why puberty happens. The purpose
Speaker 1: of puberty is to shoot an innocent and gullible child
Speaker 1: full of nasty glandular secretions that manifest in the mind.
Speaker 1: Is confusion in the innards, as horny nous upon the skin,
Speaker 1: as pimples and on the tongue is a cock sure
Speaker 1: venomous disbelief in every piece of information, true or false,
Speaker 1: gleaned from one's parents since infancy. H two O was
Speaker 1: of the opinion that a parent's most sacred duty was
Speaker 1: the education of his children. MA adhered to a more
Speaker 1: primitive philosophy, holding the child will educate himself and that
Speaker 1: a parent's job is to simply get him brung up.
Speaker 1: But education as provided by H two proved to consist
Speaker 1: of no end of fine words and no beginning of
Speaker 1: practical instruction except in fly fishing, while getting brung up,
Speaker 1: as overseen by MA, proved to consist of no fine
Speaker 1: words at all, yet nearly everything my brother and I
Speaker 1: can do with our bodies and hands as a result
Speaker 1: of something Ma taught us when it came to getting
Speaker 1: us brung up full of know how, good food, spunken savvy.
Speaker 1: There was never a better than Mam as for matters
Speaker 1: such as what is the meaning of life? For how
Speaker 1: to seek it? Or where or why? She farted out
Speaker 1: such cornpone cantankerous opinions that we were forced to plug
Speaker 1: our noses, bail out of the nest, and start looking
Speaker 1: for answers ourselves. If you haven't already, go read The
Speaker 1: River Why, And even if you have, it's probably time
Speaker 1: to read it again. I personally give copies of this
Speaker 1: book to every teenager I know who's even a little
Speaker 1: bit interested in fishing. I just don't tell them. There's
Speaker 1: also a movie version. And hey, if that felt just
Speaker 1: a little too elevated and culture, don't worry. Here's Atlantic
Speaker 1: City z own striper surf legend, Bob the Garbage Man
Speaker 1: wishing all of you's a merry Christmas. Let's destroyed for
Speaker 1: chunking expert Bob the Garbage Man Briton and a new
Speaker 1: wish you use a merry Christmas and a happy Chaanica
Speaker 1: or whatever. I hope you all get golf clubs or
Speaker 1: roller skates or new mobile homes in Ohio, anything to
Speaker 1: keep us. God bless you and your family and your
Speaker 1: other family from your first marriage. Ah. Yes, balance has
Speaker 1: been restored to the show. We went from a book
Speaker 1: that covers much of the world's religious and philosophical traditions
Speaker 1: and explores the meaning of life through the actor fishing,
Speaker 1: to Bob g imploring all of you to buy golf clubs.
Speaker 1: We truly do contain multitudes, and in that vein, it
Speaker 1: is an outtime for us to cover the multitudes of
Speaker 1: fishing stories that broke around the globe this week. Let's
Speaker 1: jingle our way over to fish news. Fish news that
Speaker 1: escalated quickly. Okay, So since it's Christmas, we're gonna keep
Speaker 1: news light, cheery, festive, and at least accurate this week. Okay, however,
Speaker 1: this is still a competition despite the holidays. Miles and
Speaker 1: I do not know which stories the other guy is
Speaker 1: wrapping up and putting under the tree. And at the
Speaker 1: end of it, our merry audio engineer Phil will be
Speaker 1: rewarding one of us with a victory Nerf bow and arrow,
Speaker 1: and the loser will get a value pack of tube socks.
Speaker 1: Oh now, I'm totally gonna win this one. I should
Speaker 1: have come up with better stories. Okay, Who's I can't remember?
Speaker 1: Are you leading him? Who's who's got Who's up first?
Speaker 1: I'm leading this week? And listen, no matter what, you
Speaker 1: can never have enough new socks. I can't. So I mean,
Speaker 1: it's not a total loss, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: If you don't get the NERF bow and arrow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: those were always just like the I have a bad
Speaker 1: association with socks for Christmas. Those are always the gift.
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, but I was hoping for a well
Speaker 1: I I had. It was actually the boyfriend, longtime boyfriend
Speaker 1: of my great aunt would be like the creeper that
Speaker 1: would give you like packs of underwear, like Spiderman underwear.
Speaker 1: But when you're a little kid, you know, you open
Speaker 1: things in front of the whole family and it's like,
Speaker 1: what did you get? And you're like, you creepy asshole.
Speaker 1: He was kind of creepy and it always pissed me
Speaker 1: off off anyway, Okay, so enough about that. Okay, so
Speaker 1: I do get to lead off, um, and here we
Speaker 1: go Christmas news starting now from Fox news dot com,
Speaker 1: headline three hundred Santa's go fishing on North Carolina Lake
Speaker 1: benefiting toys for tots and setting a world record. Isn't
Speaker 1: that jolly? And this was a one day event sponsored
Speaker 1: by Ugly Stick and held on Lake Norman. And there
Speaker 1: were nearly fifteen thousand dollars worth of new toys donated
Speaker 1: during the tournament. So good on you, ugly Stick. That
Speaker 1: is that is super sweet. So now so this this story,
Speaker 1: uh it says that a record has now been set
Speaker 1: for the largest fishing tournament contested by anglers dressed as
Speaker 1: Santa Claus. But it does not say if we're talking
Speaker 1: like Guinness book, or whether this is confirmed or it's
Speaker 1: just based on an assumption that three d Santas have
Speaker 1: never fished in one place before. You know, Um, I'm
Speaker 1: not entirely sure, though I believe that it is a record,
Speaker 1: and I find three is more cheerful than the standing
Speaker 1: record of three hundred Satan's jet ski fishing on lake
Speaker 1: meat in Las Vegas. So did you actually find that? Now? Sorry,
Speaker 1: I was so excited because I was gonna go find
Speaker 1: that way moving on, Satan Santa, change you letters on.
Speaker 1: That's what I did there. Anyway, despite all those santa
Speaker 1: Is conjuring up smiles and glee, a good portion of
Speaker 1: them could not use their Santa magic to conjure up
Speaker 1: a pattern. Apparently, um anglers Scott Hamrick and Roger Hoover
Speaker 1: took home the title of top Santa and five thousand
Speaker 1: dollars with a fifteen point seven pound bag. Now, I
Speaker 1: checked with a source friend of ours, Clinton Bartlett Turney
Speaker 1: guy friend of yours, you know, Clinton, He's a friend
Speaker 1: of the show, and um, he lives down around that way,
Speaker 1: and he says, that's a good bag, not a great bag.
Speaker 1: In fact, Clint says, and I quote, seven bags over
Speaker 1: twelve pounds is not good even for the winter time.
Speaker 1: So despite all this, Santa's cranking and warming boats and
Speaker 1: the attorney wade in zero bass. But hey, you know what,
Speaker 1: this one wasn't about winning everybody the big money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody wins. It was for an amazing cause. Okay, it
Speaker 1: looked like a ton of fun. Um and if there
Speaker 1: was a Santa tournament here I might enter. It looks
Speaker 1: like a good time. So yeah, big win for toys
Speaker 1: for tots. I like this story. I love that story.
Speaker 1: I'm curious, Joe, have you ever had any jobs that
Speaker 1: required you to dress up like Santa Claus. No, I've
Speaker 1: never had a job that required me to dress up
Speaker 1: as anything, in particular, because I have I actually have Santa. Oh.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't like the mall Santa would come on, kids,
Speaker 1: let's sit on my lap. But uh, I used to
Speaker 1: work at Big Sky Resort here in Montana as a
Speaker 1: snowboard and I've stayed I've stayed in a Penthouse there,
Speaker 1: believe it or not much nicer than anywhere I got
Speaker 1: to stay. I can tell you as as a lowly
Speaker 1: employee there. But yeah, for Christmas, I had to dress
Speaker 1: up in a Santa suit and take pictures with kids
Speaker 1: on the slopes. It's true story. And dude, you're so
Speaker 1: tall and lanky. I had a fake gut that I
Speaker 1: put in, and the whole I mean, it was the
Speaker 1: whole deal. But my favorite part about that whole thing
Speaker 1: is like after I got off of that shift, you know,
Speaker 1: I had to be on like the green magic carpet
Speaker 1: run for the kids to take pictures where all the
Speaker 1: kids were. But then when I got released from my shift,
Speaker 1: I got to ride all the way back down and
Speaker 1: of course i'd like dropped off the side of the
Speaker 1: mountain into the trees. And as I was going over
Speaker 1: the top, I could hear this kid yelling at his
Speaker 1: dad from up on the chair. Lived like Daddy, Daddy,
Speaker 1: look at Santa, He's gonna die. It was my favorite
Speaker 1: part about that, all right, shattering the dreams of the youngest. Uh,
Speaker 1: my first story has nothing at all to do with Christmas,
Speaker 1: but I don't really care. I like it. It's light
Speaker 1: and fun. It's a light and fun story for me
Speaker 1: any way. Uh okay, this this one is such a
Speaker 1: good example of how journalists spin scientific papers to get
Speaker 1: like clicky headlines that people just consume. Right, so so
Speaker 1: check it out. A few weeks ago, the journal Nature
Speaker 1: Communications published this paper titled Domestication via the commensal pathway
Speaker 1: in a fish invertebrate mutualism. Alright, so that paper, no
Speaker 1: idea what that means. That paper got spun into the
Speaker 1: following news headlines Farmer fish becomes first animal found domesticating
Speaker 1: another species and algae farming fish domesticate shrimp to improve
Speaker 1: their farms, and this fish is the first of its
Speaker 1: kind domesticate other animals. The last one is the only
Speaker 1: one I understood. I didn't even under I didn't even
Speaker 1: really fully grasped this spun fake headlines, but you might
Speaker 1: have clicked on alright, So here's what's going on. Damsel fish,
Speaker 1: which are a type of reef fish, have long been
Speaker 1: known to tend their own little algae farms on the
Speaker 1: reefs where they live. They basically just cultivate and defend
Speaker 1: a little patch of algae, and that's what makes up
Speaker 1: a big part of their diet, so not really farming,
Speaker 1: but they call them farms, right. So these researchers from Australia,
Speaker 1: they recently discovered that long fin damselfish take the whole
Speaker 1: thing a step further. The researchers noticed that long fin
Speaker 1: damselfish farms have lots of these, uh, these really specific
Speaker 1: tiny shrimp called micid hanging around, and they observed that
Speaker 1: the mice had shrimp didn't seem to mind being close
Speaker 1: to the damselfish, even though they avoided all other kinds
Speaker 1: of fishes, and that the damselfish that had a lot
Speaker 1: of shrimp chilling out on their algae plots tended to
Speaker 1: get better crops, so to speak. And it turns out
Speaker 1: that micid shrimp feces makes dynamite algae fertilizer. After extensive observation,
Speaker 1: the researchers concluded the damselfish and miceid shrimp have evolved
Speaker 1: into a relationship that seems a lot like domestication. Mice
Speaker 1: and shrimp are actually attracted to the smell of long
Speaker 1: fin damselfish and we'll seek them out. Damselfish are highly
Speaker 1: protective of their farms and they chase away any critters
Speaker 1: that come near except mice and shrimp. So the shrimp
Speaker 1: get protection from other predators by the damselfish, and the
Speaker 1: damselfish get fertilizer from the crops from the shrimp pooping.
Speaker 1: It's one of those like cool science stories that mainstream
Speaker 1: media just loves to grab because it makes animals seem
Speaker 1: more human. But I am personally just wary of anthropomorphism
Speaker 1: in general. This seems to be an example of people
Speaker 1: wanting to ascribe human traits to fish. So I don't
Speaker 1: believe that the fish are intentionally cultivating and domesticating these shrimp.
Speaker 1: I don't buy it. I think now, I think the
Speaker 1: shrimp are getting protection, the fish are getting more food,
Speaker 1: and they've both just learned to tolerate in each other
Speaker 1: and be like cool, you can hang out. But here's
Speaker 1: my question. I'm run this out to all the real
Speaker 1: biologists out there because I know we have something that Listen,
Speaker 1: how is this different from all the symbiotic relationships that
Speaker 1: we already know exist between aquatic species, Like, how is
Speaker 1: this such a big deal? We know clown fish hang
Speaker 1: out with C. N M and E s because they
Speaker 1: both get mutual protection from predators. We know that certain
Speaker 1: type of rass operate what we call cleaning stations in
Speaker 1: the reef, where larger reef fish will show up and
Speaker 1: let the rest eat all the parasites and dead tissue off.
Speaker 1: How is this different? I don't get it. Like I
Speaker 1: read the paper, and the paper seems to be claiming
Speaker 1: that this is a totally different system, But I don't
Speaker 1: get how it's different. So I'm actually asking, please, someone
Speaker 1: who gets this better than I do, send an email
Speaker 1: and explain this. If I get a solid answer, I
Speaker 1: will do a follow up and and and admit that
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. But I don't personally see how this is
Speaker 1: any different. It's a cool headline, though, it's a fine headline,
Speaker 1: But I look at something like this and it's like, man,
Speaker 1: somebody you know observed this and put put some effort
Speaker 1: into documenting it and writing a paper and all this
Speaker 1: stuff for a piece of information that that at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I'm just like neat, that's neat,
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean, Like this doesn't forward
Speaker 1: progress or like it's just like figure that out. So
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe maybe maybe this will somehow lead to
Speaker 1: more respect for damselfish, because if there's one thing I
Speaker 1: know about damselfish having grown up with saltwater aquariums in
Speaker 1: the house. Okay, you know how like you can't do
Speaker 1: saltwater and just throw ship in there. You gotta wait
Speaker 1: for the bacteria to set up and salted it right.
Speaker 1: And the sacrificial lambs are the damselfish. The damselfish are
Speaker 1: the cheapest saltwater fish in the aquarium store that you
Speaker 1: throw in to make sure your ship's right before you
Speaker 1: throw that fifty bucks away on the blue tang. That's
Speaker 1: what I know of damsel fish. So maybe they're Maybe
Speaker 1: somebody be like, wow, they are way too smart to
Speaker 1: be the toilet flushers for saltwater aquariums worldwide. If this
Speaker 1: really is an example of like domestication in in in
Speaker 1: another in a fish species, I get why it's a
Speaker 1: big deal. I just again, I just don't understand how
Speaker 1: it fits, how it's different than just basic symbiosis. I'm
Speaker 1: missing something here. I don't really see it in either.
Speaker 1: And frankly, like, um, comparing this to you're talking about
Speaker 1: the cleaner rass is, I think that's a much more
Speaker 1: interesting symbiotic relationship. Frankly, you know, like what they do
Speaker 1: for for fish than than this. But you know who
Speaker 1: am I? This one has an extra step right, because
Speaker 1: they're not it's not directly the shrimp and the fish.
Speaker 1: There's the alergae involved, so there's a third party. I
Speaker 1: get it. It's a little more complicated, but still I'm
Speaker 1: not sold. We'll take it here from throwaway damsel fish
Speaker 1: in your tank to to fish that everybody wants uh
Speaker 1: for for the long haul, maybe even for the wall ah.
Speaker 1: And this one comes from for the wind dot com
Speaker 1: headline in rare feet angler land two near record muskies
Speaker 1: on the same day. And this is a pretty short story.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm just gonna run through it here
Speaker 1: real quick. When Benjamin Knutson's fishing rod bent double recently
Speaker 1: on Minnesota's Malacs Lake, I knew right away. He said
Speaker 1: this was the one I was hunting for. It was her,
Speaker 1: and that muskie measured fifty six point five inches and
Speaker 1: weighed an estimated fifty one pounds, which is an exceptional catch,
Speaker 1: as the story points out, for this large but shallow lake.
Speaker 1: But while that could have justified calling it today, Knutson
Speaker 1: two hours later landed another muskie that measured fifty three
Speaker 1: point to five inches and weighed an estimated fifty four
Speaker 1: pounds based on the length girth measurement formula, and both
Speaker 1: muskies were released and fell just short of the record
Speaker 1: in the state's catch and release land category, which is
Speaker 1: fifty seven point four inches. Also, the second muskie, if
Speaker 1: Knutson's weight estimate was accurate, would have tied a Minnesota
Speaker 1: weight record that has stood since nineteen fifty seven. That
Speaker 1: fish has actually come up on this show several times before,
Speaker 1: and that fish measured fifty six. So for all the
Speaker 1: musky fans out there wondering what the skinny is, both
Speaker 1: of those fish fell to the famed Bulldog, And if
Speaker 1: you're familiar with that soft plastic it weighs a ton
Speaker 1: and I find them utterly painful to throw. But they
Speaker 1: catch biggins. Man, it is a legendary Lord. It's basically
Speaker 1: nothing but a gigantic mr Twister, and they catch some
Speaker 1: some big muskies. And you know, all I can think
Speaker 1: of here is how this makes other musky anglers feel
Speaker 1: like to tie it to the season. It's like when
Speaker 1: all you want your yeah, yeah, it's like, well, well yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the holidays, man, You piste off about something. But
Speaker 1: It's like when all you want in your life is
Speaker 1: the micro Machines aircraft carrier, and every chance you get
Speaker 1: for months you drop hints about wanting the micro Machines
Speaker 1: aircraft carrier. Then on Christmas more and you get no
Speaker 1: aircraft carrier, but the next door gets the aircraft carrier
Speaker 1: and the micro Machine see seven air Cargo play set,
Speaker 1: and you just have to settle for the dollar store
Speaker 1: army trucks, which is my analogy for Northern Pike. So anyway,
Speaker 1: but I can't. I cannot even imagine Ben, what Santa
Speaker 1: can bring you that will be better than that. So
Speaker 1: huge congrats on that set. You're you're you were taking
Speaker 1: such a high road on this, SURMELI like, yes, you
Speaker 1: as the guy who just has such a chip on
Speaker 1: the shoulder up musky Like I'm slightly boiling in jealousy
Speaker 1: over this, and you're like, oh no, I'm real, real
Speaker 1: happy for him. No I am, because because I've let
Speaker 1: it go miles like I don't expect in my life
Speaker 1: to ever catch a fifty pound musky. Like I'm okay
Speaker 1: with that. I don't expect to catch that fish. I
Speaker 1: don't deserve it. I've said this about myself. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't deserve it. I'm not devoted enough to the
Speaker 1: to the musky pursuit to deserve that fish. It feels
Speaker 1: like a justification for failure. But I'll that you have it.
Speaker 1: I'll let you have that and and feel better about yourself.
Speaker 1: And I think that that sets me up nicely, because
Speaker 1: a lot of us seem to have been justifying a
Speaker 1: particular act that we've done for much of our lives.
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna talk about that one. This is this
Speaker 1: is my Christmas news story. All right. I did find
Speaker 1: all right, all right? For much of my life. And
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but for much of my life,
Speaker 1: I've been told that Christmas trees made great fish habitat right. Ah, Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I love it. I love where we're going. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: just you just love it. You just sink your old
Speaker 1: unwanted Christmas trees, the bottle of lake and the croppy,
Speaker 1: the blue gill, the bass, everything you want. She's gonna
Speaker 1: flock there. You'll have your own. I mean, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be like your personal secret hotspot. It's gonna be stacked
Speaker 1: with fish. Right. This is sometimes framed as almost like
Speaker 1: a civic duty for fishermen, like, you're a bad angler
Speaker 1: if you molch that tree, or God forbid you burn it.
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna im gonna throw a side note here.
Speaker 1: Old Christmas trees make the best bonfires. Forget about palettes.
Speaker 1: Try a giant pile of dried out pine trees, complete
Speaker 1: with needles. I promise you will never see another bonfire
Speaker 1: like it. Again, It's amazing. It's illegal to burn anything
Speaker 1: here like leaves and stuff, so we like we just
Speaker 1: drag ours to the curb and they pick them up
Speaker 1: like the track. Yep. But I'm telling you right now,
Speaker 1: check out that that pine tree fire fire. But I'm
Speaker 1: not supposed to say that. I'm not supposed to talk
Speaker 1: about what a great bonfire you can make with your
Speaker 1: old trees because according to conventional wisdom and the Internet,
Speaker 1: you have to drop your trees in a local lake.
Speaker 1: This is like lake fishing gospel, and and for much
Speaker 1: of my life I just accepted it. Even if I
Speaker 1: didn't do it personally, I believed like I carried guilt
Speaker 1: because I wasn't as good of an angler. So my
Speaker 1: goal for this Christmas news story is to figure out
Speaker 1: exactly how beneficial Christmas trees actually are when comes to
Speaker 1: lake habitat, I'm biting my tongue. I want to jump in,
Speaker 1: but I'm biting my tongue. Let me get through it here,
Speaker 1: this is your day. A few years ago, a friend
Speaker 1: of mine was telling me how they don't allow people
Speaker 1: to sing Christmas trees into their neighborhood lake anymore because
Speaker 1: he claimed the acidity from all the pine trees was
Speaker 1: throwing off the pH balance. And I didn't question him
Speaker 1: at the time because we were just shooting ship. But
Speaker 1: then I was researching this story and I figured, well,
Speaker 1: I should check that avenue out. I dug around online
Speaker 1: and I couldn't find anything about pine trees affecting the
Speaker 1: pH of lake water. So I then called a few
Speaker 1: people who know way more about this stuff than I do,
Speaker 1: and they hadn't heard about this issue either. So it
Speaker 1: seems like it would take what I from what I
Speaker 1: can gather from other people's more expert assessments than mine.
Speaker 1: Seems like it would take an unreasonable amount of trees
Speaker 1: to throw off the pH balance of a lake, like
Speaker 1: as long as you're not filling the lake with trees,
Speaker 1: which would pose so many other problems. On the acidity.
Speaker 1: I think this is a non issue. In fact, dozens
Speaker 1: of states collect old Christmas trees and turn them into
Speaker 1: massive underwater reefs. In certain cases, we're talking about tens
Speaker 1: of thousands of trees, all tied together and sunk to
Speaker 1: the bottom. The trees create structure for aquatic organisms and fish,
Speaker 1: and then they break down in further feed the system.
Speaker 1: My home state, from what I can tell, doesn't do this,
Speaker 1: but I found many of that do. So if you're
Speaker 1: looking for something to do with your old tree and
Speaker 1: you don't feel like burning it, check with your local
Speaker 1: fisheries management agency to see if they accept tree donations.
Speaker 1: But then this led me to yet another question. Do
Speaker 1: Christmas trees actually make quality fish habitat? Like? Are they good?
Speaker 1: And the answer, from what I can tell is yes
Speaker 1: and no. The reason that so many people in states
Speaker 1: drop Christmas trees the bottom of lakes has a lot
Speaker 1: more to do with their availability than their quality. Pine
Speaker 1: trees have a couple of things working against them as
Speaker 1: fish holding structure. First, they deteriorate really pretty fast and
Speaker 1: will only provide good cover for a couple of years
Speaker 1: at best before they disintegrate. Second, their branches are too
Speaker 1: close together for big fish to want to use them
Speaker 1: as ambush cover. I found one study from the Berkeley
Speaker 1: Research Center in Nebraska referenced numerous times that claimed fish
Speaker 1: gravitate two limb gaps just big enough for them to
Speaker 1: fit in between. And Christmas trees have super tight limbs,
Speaker 1: so they work well as a place for bait fish
Speaker 1: to hide from larger predators, but not so well as
Speaker 1: a place for you know, big fish to hang out. Hardwood,
Speaker 1: with their more widely spaced branches, make far superior cover
Speaker 1: for most of the fish species that we target, and
Speaker 1: they last a lot longer. So bottom line, I only
Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with tossing your old Christmas tree in
Speaker 1: a lake, but don't expect like you're creating some kind
Speaker 1: of a magical big fish paradise, right. That's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: More likely, your holiday cast off will just become rearing
Speaker 1: habitat for baby fish, which is valuable but not quite
Speaker 1: what we've been told. And finally, my last point, please
Speaker 1: remember trees float, so you can't just go chucking your
Speaker 1: tree into the water and like walk away and think
Speaker 1: you've done well. If you want this to work, you
Speaker 1: actually need to weigh it down pretty significantly and preferably
Speaker 1: do so with biodegradable sandbags. So it's gonna say we
Speaker 1: recommend a car battery just lead, pure lead. Ah man, No,
Speaker 1: this is I'm glad you brought this one up, and
Speaker 1: I've learned a little bit here. But I will tell
Speaker 1: you see, i've heard the same thing about the acidity.
Speaker 1: Now maybe you've maybe you've debunked that. Frankly, they used
Speaker 1: to do this all the time growing up where I
Speaker 1: lived right Mercer County Lake Rose Daylight. They'd be signs
Speaker 1: bring your Christmas trees on this date. But as far
Speaker 1: as I know, they shut that down years ago. They
Speaker 1: don't dump any trees in any lakes around here anymore.
Speaker 1: Now I can't tell you why that is. I don't
Speaker 1: know if there was a specific study, but this has
Speaker 1: come up in circles, you know, shooting the breeze with
Speaker 1: with guys over the years. I have never heard anybody
Speaker 1: say that they've had good fishing on dump Christmas trees.
Speaker 1: And i've heard the I've heard the acid thing a
Speaker 1: bunch of times, that they're they're too acidic, um that
Speaker 1: they disintegrate to the point they disintegrate so fast it's
Speaker 1: it's it's almost not even worth it. So I don't
Speaker 1: know that we've come up with a definitive answer here.
Speaker 1: I'm just sort of rehashing the things that I've heard
Speaker 1: sort of you know, speculated. But I feel like that
Speaker 1: was a big thing when I was a kid and
Speaker 1: a teenager, and it's it's gone away, and sort of
Speaker 1: the consensus is now like just not not worth the effort,
Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't really do enough. I think that's true. And
Speaker 1: the pH thing was one I was really thinking I
Speaker 1: was going to get a bunch of new information on
Speaker 1: and debunk this whole thing, and I couldn't find anything
Speaker 1: that And that's what's most fascinating about this one to
Speaker 1: me is because I've heard that so much people. People
Speaker 1: say it like it's law, like oh, there have been
Speaker 1: studies at the university. But then you looked and well, okay, now,
Speaker 1: now I don't know is that is that a myth?
Speaker 1: But I have heard that before, so I have too.
Speaker 1: But I haven't seen a sign or a call online
Speaker 1: to bring your trees in a very long time. It's
Speaker 1: still happening that I can say. It may not be
Speaker 1: happy now by you, it's not happening out by me.
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of places that are still
Speaker 1: doing that and collecting them for these really big, large
Speaker 1: scale reef projects that that and Christmas trees are just
Speaker 1: what's available. So I think that's why they use them,
Speaker 1: because they can get them for free and they're there. Um,
Speaker 1: So some places are definitely still doing it. But the
Speaker 1: takeaway really is it's not a great panacea for fish.
Speaker 1: But I also don't think it's like I think it's
Speaker 1: a problem necessarily, but now I don't think you're doing
Speaker 1: a great thing by dropping your your Christmas tree down there. Wow.
Speaker 1: I know Phil is going to have a problem deciding
Speaker 1: who who the Christmas Victor is because I feel like
Speaker 1: we both did a good job keeping it lighthearted. Um, Phil,
Speaker 1: you know who's been naughty who's been nice? And as
Speaker 1: soon as we're done hearing from Phil, uh, we're gonna
Speaker 1: kick it over to the sale bin to talk about
Speaker 1: another material that hypothetically could make some some pretty good
Speaker 1: bottom structure if you had enough of it, which you
Speaker 1: might if you purchased this item. Wow, it's the end
Speaker 1: of the year already, man. I think after a year,
Speaker 1: the last thing we need is something else to argue about,
Speaker 1: and we already have so much of that around the holidays?
Speaker 1: Is Die Hard a Christmas movie? I don't know what's
Speaker 1: the deal with parents in these Christmas movies where Santa
Speaker 1: obviously exists in this universe? Did they not have Santa
Speaker 1: visiting their house every year? If Santa was visiting their
Speaker 1: house every year, where did they think all these presents
Speaker 1: came from? Who the cares? It's the holiday season and
Speaker 1: I am crowning both of you winners of the episode.
Speaker 1: Thanks for a great year, guys, see you next year.
Speaker 1: But if you really need a winner, it's Miles. Why
Speaker 1: did you put the head to pay? You don't know
Speaker 1: what I'm getting back? What you didn't have to be
Speaker 1: so hurtful with me so angry. This week's sale bin
Speaker 1: item comes to us from the Craigslist page of Satellite Beach, Florida,
Speaker 1: and it's not what you think. There's actually got tipped
Speaker 1: off by my buddy Dave Graham. Shout out to him
Speaker 1: for us sending this along. And look, I know we
Speaker 1: digg on Florida from time to time on this show.
Speaker 1: This is not going to be one of those legitimately,
Speaker 1: So this is not going to be one of those
Speaker 1: Florida Man type cheap shot setups where we, you know,
Speaker 1: we find a guys selling a wheelbarrow with an outboard
Speaker 1: attached as a boat and we make fun of it. Uh,
Speaker 1: this one is definitely unique, Okay, probably the most unique one,
Speaker 1: I think that that we've seen yet so far. The
Speaker 1: title of the listing reads wanting to trade exclamation point
Speaker 1: twenty one hundred pounds of Lego pieces for a decent
Speaker 1: fishing boat and then lists of dollar figure and apparently
Speaker 1: this this is all about, like all worth about twelve
Speaker 1: thousand bucks. Yeah, Like, there's really not much room here
Speaker 1: for description because the post is it's exactly what it
Speaker 1: sounds like. That's what it is. And and I don't
Speaker 1: know about for you, Joe, but for me, the photos
Speaker 1: are not making this seem like an attractive opportunity. Just
Speaker 1: piles and piles of tight shots of Lego. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just Lego piles. And if you're even even just a
Speaker 1: hint o c D, this is your nightmare, just straight
Speaker 1: up Nightmaresh. I liked Legos as a kid. I was,
Speaker 1: I was definitely into them, but I really hated when
Speaker 1: the sets got mixed up, and because it would always
Speaker 1: just turn into these these cauldrons of chaos. You know,
Speaker 1: you were that kid g I Joe guns had to
Speaker 1: go with the correct g I Joes. I liked it.
Speaker 1: I liked having my sets as sets separately. I got
Speaker 1: really anxious when they all just get mixed together, because like,
Speaker 1: there you are, you're trying to build your car or whatever,
Speaker 1: right and and you know you need that one set
Speaker 1: of wheels, and they're in there somewhere, but you can't
Speaker 1: find them in this kaleidoscopic massive like angle pieces and
Speaker 1: braces and medieval turrets. And then there's always the random,
Speaker 1: like yellow, weird disembodied heads floating around of the Lego guys. Well,
Speaker 1: the photos that we're looking at here are like that,
Speaker 1: but just times a thousand. It's it's just like on steroids.
Speaker 1: I don't think I got his nuts about it as you,
Speaker 1: but I was a huge Lego kid. I love the
Speaker 1: Lego boats that floated, remember the holes that were solid.
Speaker 1: But I liked a set like I wanted to build
Speaker 1: that set and then keep it made. I didn't take
Speaker 1: them apart and make them ago. So I'm I'm the same. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of on the same page there, so I'm with that. Uh.
Speaker 1: Now the post does go on it says, we have
Speaker 1: twenty one pounds of clean mixed Lego pieces of all
Speaker 1: types that are surplus two our needs, which and this
Speaker 1: just begs the question, how many Legos do you have?
Speaker 1: If these twenty one hundred pounds are surplus to your needs,
Speaker 1: what exactly are your Lego needs? And the only thing
Speaker 1: I can think is that, like, are you uh an
Speaker 1: owner of one of the the Lego Land establishments which
Speaker 1: I have been to with my children, And dude, if
Speaker 1: you hate mixed legos, don't ever go there, like that
Speaker 1: will be your personal hell side note uh, for that
Speaker 1: very reason, Lego Land was kind of a bad idea
Speaker 1: before COVID. Now they might be done, Like there's just
Speaker 1: not enough hand sanitizing spray sanitizer on the planet. Anyway,
Speaker 1: they just dip the whole thing and bleach at the end, exactly,
Speaker 1: just burn it, burn the whole Lego Land down. Well. Anyway,
Speaker 1: The post goes on to say, this type of product
Speaker 1: sells every day on eBay. What type of product? Pounds
Speaker 1: of legos on eBay for anywhere from eight to fifteen
Speaker 1: dollars a pound, Like, I did not know legos were
Speaker 1: dealt with like beef, you know what I mean? Like, so, uh,
Speaker 1: it says if you sell them at an average of
Speaker 1: ten dollars a pound, there you go, it's worth of legos.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, I can't do so clearly? Right? Have you researched?
Speaker 1: I did not? Really? Is that accurate? Did you research this?
Speaker 1: I was not familiar with like contraband black market lego
Speaker 1: prices before this, So I did have to do something.
Speaker 1: That's why we love you? What do we? When I
Speaker 1: got I cross reference, I checked Amazon and checked eBay,
Speaker 1: I checked Etsy, and actually, from what I could tell,
Speaker 1: this is legitimate information, like legos are comparable in price
Speaker 1: to what you would pay for like wholesale salmon filet's.
Speaker 1: They're right in that eight fift a pound. Yes, really,
Speaker 1: so if you just take a pound of mixed up Legos,
Speaker 1: that's worth eight to fifteen bucks, just grando mixed legos,
Speaker 1: not a set anything, just mixed. Yeah. And so like
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out the backstore on this, because
Speaker 1: we do write it seems like this person at some
Speaker 1: point realized that extreme legoing is not the optimal hobby.
Speaker 1: If you live in coastal Florida, so you know in
Speaker 1: the sun Ghion State's perennial recreation cage match. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say this, this person shows wisely because they picked fishing
Speaker 1: over golf, correct, But they don't want to take the
Speaker 1: time or effort to separate package and sell their literal
Speaker 1: metric ton of assorted legos, which are potentially worth over
Speaker 1: twenty grand, so they're just offer it up a straight
Speaker 1: boat trade. Like I gotta say, man, look creative as
Speaker 1: this is. I don't think this person, though, is going
Speaker 1: to make a successful angler. Anyone who keeps tossing legos
Speaker 1: in a box with no rhyme, reason or organization until
Speaker 1: they cross the two thousand pound threshold, he's gonna struggle
Speaker 1: with tackle storage, with tackle boxes and and and every
Speaker 1: boat owner knows you gotta be a little O. C
Speaker 1: D too captain and maintain a vessel um. You know,
Speaker 1: when when this person does get a boat, if this
Speaker 1: works out, I'm picturing a very seized up engine in
Speaker 1: the near future. But this one was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: We we we love getting links from you guys for
Speaker 1: the sale being Keep those coming to bent at the
Speaker 1: Meat Eater Dot com and if one of you out
Speaker 1: there is like send me that like dred pounds of legos,
Speaker 1: I'm in hit us up. We'll get it squared away.
Speaker 1: All you gotta do is take us fishing before we
Speaker 1: move along. Miles mentioning of black market contraband in that
Speaker 1: sale bean segment reminded me that we've got a message
Speaker 1: of good holiday cheer from our favorite under the table,
Speaker 1: South Louisiana captain down the road, Darren, whose last name
Speaker 1: we bleeped again. We have to beleeve it all time
Speaker 1: because he's still done warrants out in St. Bernard Parish.
Speaker 1: Here's our buddy downing. What up, y'all? It's down road
Speaker 1: Darren in South Louisiana. Me and my partner Joey Campo
Speaker 1: want to wish y'all a merry Christmas. We're in the
Speaker 1: duck line right now and we're freezing our cohone. He's off.
Speaker 1: Hopefully Santa Claus brings some warm weather when he gets
Speaker 1: his ass down here this year. And Santa, if you listen,
Speaker 1: if you can do anything to get the Saints back
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl this year, I promise I'll stop
Speaker 1: doing my side hustle selling boot leg Coast to sunglasses
Speaker 1: to the drunk frat boys on Bourbon Street. All right
Speaker 1: later there might want to be careful there. Those saints
Speaker 1: are those saints are looking pretty good and uh and
Speaker 1: from what I hear from you, anyway, that side hustle
Speaker 1: he's got is pretty lucrative. Oh, I wouldn't worry about that.
Speaker 1: I give that promise is zero percent chance of lasting
Speaker 1: beyond the season. It's not like he swore to God
Speaker 1: on his excel Lady Shantell. That would be an actual
Speaker 1: blood oath. Dude, I have so much to learn about
Speaker 1: South Louisiana culture. And since since we are on the
Speaker 1: subject of people that I just don't understand, I think
Speaker 1: it's about time to grinch up this episode. Yeah, it is,
Speaker 1: because you guys didn't think we were gonna get through
Speaker 1: this show without hearing from our very own internet fishing
Speaker 1: expert Lance V. Did you? Of course you didn't. So
Speaker 1: without further Ado, let's throw some some audio coal in
Speaker 1: Miles ear Stockings with his least favorite bit, trolling with
Speaker 1: Lance the segment all you boys and girls love to
Speaker 1: hate and hate to love the land, to the boats,
Speaker 1: to the like, to the sea, getting up the n
Speaker 1: on Net, but John Boyd, Lad Police, Nabby Dot stocking stuffers.
Speaker 1: It's me, jolly old Lance Fee here to slather you
Speaker 1: with Christmas cheer and internet fishing awesome sauce. I know
Speaker 1: you're busy googling instructions to that go pro max Santa
Speaker 1: brought you. But just so you know, YouTube can't teach
Speaker 1: you how to make a viral TikTok fishing dance. Only
Speaker 1: I can do that hashtag messaia. Remember, Christmas isn't about
Speaker 1: family or goofy socks or fat guys stuck a Chimneys.
Speaker 1: Christmas like life is a competition, So listen up because
Speaker 1: this question from listener Kyles really captures the spear of
Speaker 1: the season. Kyle writes, Dear Lance, if you were on
Speaker 1: fire in front of me and I had to piste
Speaker 1: up bad that my bladder might bus I don't think
Speaker 1: I would pistol on you to put you out, but
Speaker 1: I could use some of your advice. I need to
Speaker 1: viable lady Christmas present for my little nephew Crispin. His
Speaker 1: parents collect toe bags and celebrate me this Monday's so
Speaker 1: I know they only bought him lame educational stuff. You know,
Speaker 1: like books and toys made of wood. What can I
Speaker 1: buy him that will make him love me more than
Speaker 1: his real parents? Great question, Kyle, This one really touches me.
Speaker 1: Hashtag children are a future hashtag little Angels, Kyle, If
Speaker 1: you truly want to be the cool uncle, you'll buy
Speaker 1: a little Crispin, a PS five, and a copy of
Speaker 1: Ultimate Fishing Simulator to then you'll download the secret patch
Speaker 1: that lets him play has his favorite fishing superstar. Me
Speaker 1: problem is, unless you're showering and doubling to Cheddar or
Speaker 1: have deep connections to the Russian Dark Web like I do,
Speaker 1: no way you're getting those. My guess is you're lucky
Speaker 1: to scrape up enough Elveta for a bowler, mac and cheese.
Speaker 1: So here's the list of ball of gift ideas for
Speaker 1: all the broadcast uncles and aunts out there who didn't
Speaker 1: quite manage to get that box in the mail before
Speaker 1: Christmas but still want to be cooler than your siblings
Speaker 1: in the eyes of their spawn. None Bert, you know,
Speaker 1: a subscription to YouTube Premium. PLoP those kids in front
Speaker 1: of the screens and let the little tykes binge all
Speaker 1: their Internet fishing heroes without having to sit through annoying ads.
Speaker 1: I mean, bro, did you watch the fur head Eyes
Speaker 1: tore It was like six infomercials for manly boutique soap,
Speaker 1: which is an oxy moron. And yes, I did have
Speaker 1: to look that word up to use it in a sentence.
Speaker 1: Hashtag vocabalarian, hashtag educator, new merrow two, potty fisher, toilet
Speaker 1: fishing game, Google it and thank me later. I guarantee
Speaker 1: you'll pick one up for yourself as well. Number three
Speaker 1: areno a Monster Energy Monthly Sampler subscription. Does this mean
Speaker 1: that little Crispin will stop asking his parents to pick
Speaker 1: up a case of Monster Energy Assault every time they
Speaker 1: go to the store. Of course not. He'll still need
Speaker 1: his daily sweet and salty power boost, but the monthly
Speaker 1: Sampler allows him to try out all of Monster energies
Speaker 1: new lab tested formulas without sacrificing his routine. Hashtag discipline,
Speaker 1: and last, but certainly best, a fishing vest. Now. I
Speaker 1: know you're waiting for a sarcastic comment something like if
Speaker 1: you wear a fishing vest you probably still have an
Speaker 1: active Facebook account. But I'm dead serious. If Little Christmas
Speaker 1: parents are as lame and bait as you say, he
Speaker 1: probably needs itself and up. But I'm a fishing vest
Speaker 1: so that every time he hits the water, the cool
Speaker 1: kids beat the piss out of him. It's basically like
Speaker 1: getting him a fight club membership hashtag first rule of Fishing.
Speaker 1: So there you go, Kyle. I hope you hit my
Speaker 1: advice and savage Little Crispins new Year, since this Christmas
Speaker 1: has probably already been ruined by artisanal coloring books and
Speaker 1: patagony sweaters. That was exactly what I expected. But I
Speaker 1: do hope. I do hope that Little Crispin gets that
Speaker 1: toilet fishing set. I'm gonna be honest. I actually bought
Speaker 1: one from my kid under the guys that like, oh
Speaker 1: it's a potty training tool and then and not a
Speaker 1: present to myself. I hope both of you enjoy that,
Speaker 1: and I do not want to know how it all
Speaker 1: comes out. I'd buy one for my kids, but I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, they have so many cheap play fishing sets,
Speaker 1: which I'm very proud of, but none of them could
Speaker 1: be pieced back together in their original form if your
Speaker 1: life depended on it. Like they're all just are they
Speaker 1: all intermingled there in all different time zones, like there's
Speaker 1: some outside there's some in this bathroom. You know, they're
Speaker 1: just everywhere, so I don't I'm gonna skip that. I
Speaker 1: don't really need one of those. But anyway, speaking of
Speaker 1: piecing things back together, we're still thinking about our friend
Speaker 1: in Ladge owner Mitch McFly up in Canada, hoping things
Speaker 1: come around so he can kind of piece his business
Speaker 1: back together, you know, once these pesky COVID travel bands
Speaker 1: are lifted. Um. But you know, despite that hardship, the
Speaker 1: guy's just got such a positive attitude, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, considering what he's facing, and uh, he was
Speaker 1: kind enough to send along this warm holiday message for
Speaker 1: all of you there, folks. Mitch McFly up here at
Speaker 1: beautiful Pickerel Point Lawe on Alberta's Pristine Spooner's Lake, wishing
Speaker 1: all our valued guests from the States as safe and
Speaker 1: a happy holiday. I'm sure many of you have got
Speaker 1: new ice augers and four thousand horsepower snow machines and
Speaker 1: stainless Deel beer cozys from Santa Claus. Too bad you
Speaker 1: still can bring them up here. Real shame at eight
Speaker 1: to ruin your holiday by telling you about a hold
Speaker 1: of monster Walleyes that we've been schooling right off the
Speaker 1: point or the forty seven inch pike that's been following
Speaker 1: them around. So instead I'll just say take care and
Speaker 1: God bless thanks Mitch. While I'm waiting to get back
Speaker 1: up there, I'll just be, you know, doing donuts with
Speaker 1: my new four thousand horsepower snow machine in front of
Speaker 1: the retirement home that's right across the creek from my house.
Speaker 1: They're gonna love me anyway. Uh, we're just about out
Speaker 1: a time in this way too long Christmas extravaganza. Yes,
Speaker 1: but before we go, Joe's got a holiday yarn that
Speaker 1: he's going to spin for all of you. So grab
Speaker 1: a blanket the settle in while Uncle Joe does his
Speaker 1: version of Twas the Night before Christmas only with trouble hooks,
Speaker 1: stock trout, and family fishing lore. It's time for end
Speaker 1: of the line. Well that's not loud enough, Burt scooch
Speaker 1: on up to the fire boys and girls. Pour yourself
Speaker 1: a fresh egg. Not because today your old pal Joe
Speaker 1: has a Christmas tail that will take us over the
Speaker 1: truck trout stock rivers of New Jersey through the mostly
Speaker 1: clear cut woods where shopping centers now exist, and to
Speaker 1: grandmother's bait and tackle shop will go to discuss what
Speaker 1: I believe is the greatest in line spinner of all time.
Speaker 1: I'm basing that somewhat on fact, but more so on
Speaker 1: a deep rooted family loyalty and a heaping helping of
Speaker 1: because I said so. It all started in France in
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties, where savvy businessman Cecil ho Sr. And
Speaker 1: his wife Fritzie discovered the lore that would become the
Speaker 1: Panther Martin Spinner. To be honest, details of the exact
Speaker 1: order of events are conflicting and a bit cloudy, like
Speaker 1: that eggnog we're sipping. But to the best of my research, HOJJ,
Speaker 1: who was a mastermind at mail orders Sales, struck a
Speaker 1: deal to get these lures imported to his facility on
Speaker 1: Long Island in New York. It was there that they
Speaker 1: were packaged and sold as Panther Martin's, originally as a
Speaker 1: mail order catalog item, which as we all know, eventually
Speaker 1: blossomed into wholesale with every major retailer from Kmart to
Speaker 1: Walmart and beyond. J eventually moved manufacturing to Italy, and
Speaker 1: as I understand it, that's where Panther Martin's are still
Speaker 1: made today and for most of my life, perhaps like
Speaker 1: for much of yours. You know, they said made in
Speaker 1: Italy right on the package, so I just assumed it
Speaker 1: was the Italian stallions that invented the panther, But nay,
Speaker 1: they come from France, just like the maps. So yeah,
Speaker 1: the French really no cheese baggat's funny hats and inline
Speaker 1: trout spinners. These days, the Hog family still owns and
Speaker 1: operates Panther Martin and it's still import Jefferson New York,
Speaker 1: and their catalog features a wide variety of offerings. Side note,
Speaker 1: many of you boys and girls may be unaware that
Speaker 1: Panther Martin actually introduced the first soft plastic swim bait
Speaker 1: to the market in the form of their VV floor,
Speaker 1: which featured a modern style boottail, decades before that was
Speaker 1: the thing, but we'll save that for another fireside chat.
Speaker 1: Today we're just focusing on their classic tear drop body
Speaker 1: trout spinners and their classic brass body Spinners Deluxe Fly
Speaker 1: Edition with the rad or yellow feathers lashed to that
Speaker 1: treble hook. What makes a panther a panther, regardless of
Speaker 1: specific model, is that it's blade rotates freely around the
Speaker 1: post without needing a clasp to spin it. The result
Speaker 1: is a tighter spin, which many, myself included, believes creates
Speaker 1: a sharper vibration under water. One could also argue that
Speaker 1: since the blade isn't swinging around all lucy goosey on
Speaker 1: a clasp, panthers foul less often and start spinning instantly
Speaker 1: after they touched down. Both the tear drop and brass
Speaker 1: body bottles are heavier than others in the category, even
Speaker 1: though they remained small and compact, and in my opinion,
Speaker 1: they cast further and more accurately because of this. Never
Speaker 1: am I without tear drop Panthers with a silver blade
Speaker 1: and the yellow body with the red polka dots, the
Speaker 1: gold blade with the black body and the yellow polka dots,
Speaker 1: and some of those deluxe fly brass body models with
Speaker 1: those nice feather hotspots on the tail there for stained water.
Speaker 1: But here's really why these are my ringers on the
Speaker 1: trout stream. Every year since I was probably seven or eight,
Speaker 1: I got a few Panther Martins from my uncle for Christmas,
Speaker 1: only Panthers, never maps, never rooster tail, because he was
Speaker 1: a panther Martin guy. Though my grandmother sold the store
Speaker 1: when I was only three, there legitimately was a bait
Speaker 1: and tackle shop in the family for a very long time,
Speaker 1: and my uncle worked there, so did my mom, and
Speaker 1: my uncle earned somewhat of a reputation as a man
Speaker 1: to emulate on the area stocker streams. He was sort
Speaker 1: of a sharpie that all the locals knew, and according
Speaker 1: to my grandmother, people frequently came in the store and said,
Speaker 1: give me whatever. They all your son's catching all those
Speaker 1: trout on out there, And it was always a panther
Speaker 1: Martin that was slid across that glass countertop. To tell
Speaker 1: you the truth, those panthers just kind of accumulated for
Speaker 1: years because little kids don't always trust lures, right, Worms
Speaker 1: and power bait make more sense to a seven and
Speaker 1: eight year old. So I was probably twelve or so
Speaker 1: when I finally tied one of those panthers on, believe
Speaker 1: it or not, and I got whacked within minutes. And
Speaker 1: that was that. And now I had a healthy stash
Speaker 1: of panthers from all those past Christmas is and I
Speaker 1: was now a panther Martin man too, And I could
Speaker 1: argue that panthers catch more fish, but I know that's
Speaker 1: not entirely true. Rooster tails, maps and CP swings mess
Speaker 1: them up equally. Still. When the last mom and pop
Speaker 1: tackle shop in my area, which was very similar to
Speaker 1: my grandparents old store, sadly shut its doors for good
Speaker 1: last year, I bought all the remaining panthers off the pegboard,
Speaker 1: just about two hundred of them. They were equally as
Speaker 1: many rooster tails and maps hanging there, but I left
Speaker 1: them for the dude that can probably tell a similar
Speaker 1: story to this one about those lures. Straight up, that
Speaker 1: was the best closer this show has ever had. Dude,
Speaker 1: you appreciate that Buddy crushed it on that one. That
Speaker 1: was really really well done. I like that one so much.
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna mess it up with a stupid
Speaker 1: joke recapping all the stuff that everyone just heard. I
Speaker 1: do hope that that you all had a safe and
Speaker 1: happy holiday, however you chose to spend it, and I
Speaker 1: just want to say thanks, thanks for spending some of
Speaker 1: your time with us. We really appreciate all of you
Speaker 1: that we do very much, and as always, drop us
Speaker 1: a line, send your awkward photos, bar nominations, sale ban items,
Speaker 1: and how about we'll throw in worse Christmas gifts to
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Speaker 1: We're all so following that Degenerate Angler hashtag on the
Speaker 1: Graham and if we like what we see, you might
Speaker 1: get a little sticker treat from us. Yeah, for sure,
Speaker 1: I want to see. I want to see what comes
Speaker 1: up there. Let us know how you spent the holidays,
Speaker 1: and if you manage to get out on the water,
Speaker 1: tell us how you did. Merry Christmas. Everyone will see
Speaker 1: you next year on New Year's Day to be exact,
Speaker 1: and you probably won't be listening then either,