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Speaker 1: that we sincerely hope none of you are listening to

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Speaker 1: Genuine question, how does your family fixed egg like? What

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Speaker 1: Oh now, I'm totally gonna win this one. I should

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Speaker 1: have come up with better stories. Okay, Who's I can't remember?

424
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 1: Are you leading him? Who's who's got Who's up first?

425
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,439
Speaker 1: I'm leading this week? And listen, no matter what, you

426
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: can never have enough new socks. I can't. So I mean,

427
00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: it's not a total loss, you know what I'm saying.

428
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 1: If you don't get the NERF bow and arrow. Yeah,

429
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 1: those were always just like the I have a bad

430
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: association with socks for Christmas. Those are always the gift.

431
00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:39,760
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, but I was hoping for a well

432
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: I I had. It was actually the boyfriend, longtime boyfriend

433
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 1: of my great aunt would be like the creeper that

434
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: would give you like packs of underwear, like Spiderman underwear.

435
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: But when you're a little kid, you know, you open

436
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: things in front of the whole family and it's like,

437
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 1: what did you get? And you're like, you creepy asshole.

438
00:24:57,560 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 1: He was kind of creepy and it always pissed me

439
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: off off anyway, Okay, so enough about that. Okay, so

440
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: I do get to lead off, um, and here we

441
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Speaker 1: go Christmas news starting now from Fox news dot com,

442
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:14,760
Speaker 1: headline three hundred Santa's go fishing on North Carolina Lake

443
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: benefiting toys for tots and setting a world record. Isn't

444
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: that jolly? And this was a one day event sponsored

445
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: by Ugly Stick and held on Lake Norman. And there

446
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: were nearly fifteen thousand dollars worth of new toys donated

447
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,919
Speaker 1: during the tournament. So good on you, ugly Stick. That

448
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: is that is super sweet. So now so this this story,

449
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: uh it says that a record has now been set

450
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Speaker 1: for the largest fishing tournament contested by anglers dressed as

451
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Speaker 1: Santa Claus. But it does not say if we're talking

452
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: like Guinness book, or whether this is confirmed or it's

453
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: just based on an assumption that three d Santas have

454
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Speaker 1: never fished in one place before. You know, Um, I'm

455
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: not entirely sure, though I believe that it is a record,

456
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: and I find three is more cheerful than the standing

457
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Speaker 1: record of three hundred Satan's jet ski fishing on lake

458
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Speaker 1: meat in Las Vegas. So did you actually find that? Now? Sorry,

459
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: I was so excited because I was gonna go find

460
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: that way moving on, Satan Santa, change you letters on.

461
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: That's what I did there. Anyway, despite all those santa

462
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: Is conjuring up smiles and glee, a good portion of

463
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 1: them could not use their Santa magic to conjure up

464
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Speaker 1: a pattern. Apparently, um anglers Scott Hamrick and Roger Hoover

465
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Speaker 1: took home the title of top Santa and five thousand

466
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Speaker 1: dollars with a fifteen point seven pound bag. Now, I

467
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: checked with a source friend of ours, Clinton Bartlett Turney

468
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: guy friend of yours, you know, Clinton, He's a friend

469
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 1: of the show, and um, he lives down around that way,

470
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Speaker 1: and he says, that's a good bag, not a great bag.

471
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Speaker 1: In fact, Clint says, and I quote, seven bags over

472
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: twelve pounds is not good even for the winter time.

473
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Speaker 1: So despite all this, Santa's cranking and warming boats and

474
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Speaker 1: the attorney wade in zero bass. But hey, you know what,

475
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: this one wasn't about winning everybody the big money. Yeah,

476
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: everybody wins. It was for an amazing cause. Okay, it

477
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: looked like a ton of fun. Um and if there

478
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Speaker 1: was a Santa tournament here I might enter. It looks

479
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: like a good time. So yeah, big win for toys

480
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 1: for tots. I like this story. I love that story.

481
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: I'm curious, Joe, have you ever had any jobs that

482
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Speaker 1: required you to dress up like Santa Claus. No, I've

483
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: never had a job that required me to dress up

484
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: as anything, in particular, because I have I actually have Santa. Oh.

485
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I wasn't like the mall Santa would come on, kids,

486
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: let's sit on my lap. But uh, I used to

487
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: work at Big Sky Resort here in Montana as a

488
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: snowboard and I've stayed I've stayed in a Penthouse there,

489
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 1: believe it or not much nicer than anywhere I got

490
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: to stay. I can tell you as as a lowly

491
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: employee there. But yeah, for Christmas, I had to dress

492
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: up in a Santa suit and take pictures with kids

493
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: on the slopes. It's true story. And dude, you're so

494
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: tall and lanky. I had a fake gut that I

495
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: put in, and the whole I mean, it was the

496
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: whole deal. But my favorite part about that whole thing

497
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: is like after I got off of that shift, you know,

498
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 1: I had to be on like the green magic carpet

499
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: run for the kids to take pictures where all the

500
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: kids were. But then when I got released from my shift,

501
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: I got to ride all the way back down and

502
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: of course i'd like dropped off the side of the

503
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: mountain into the trees. And as I was going over

504
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: the top, I could hear this kid yelling at his

505
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: dad from up on the chair. Lived like Daddy, Daddy,

506
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: look at Santa, He's gonna die. It was my favorite

507
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: part about that, all right, shattering the dreams of the youngest. Uh,

508
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: my first story has nothing at all to do with Christmas,

509
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: but I don't really care. I like it. It's light

510
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: and fun. It's a light and fun story for me

511
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: any way. Uh okay, this this one is such a

512
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: good example of how journalists spin scientific papers to get

513
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 1: like clicky headlines that people just consume. Right, so so

514
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: check it out. A few weeks ago, the journal Nature

515
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: Communications published this paper titled Domestication via the commensal pathway

516
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: in a fish invertebrate mutualism. Alright, so that paper, no

517
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: idea what that means. That paper got spun into the

518
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: following news headlines Farmer fish becomes first animal found domesticating

519
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: another species and algae farming fish domesticate shrimp to improve

520
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: their farms, and this fish is the first of its

521
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 1: kind domesticate other animals. The last one is the only

522
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 1: one I understood. I didn't even under I didn't even

523
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: really fully grasped this spun fake headlines, but you might

524
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: have clicked on alright, So here's what's going on. Damsel fish,

525
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: which are a type of reef fish, have long been

526
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: known to tend their own little algae farms on the

527
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: reefs where they live. They basically just cultivate and defend

528
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 1: a little patch of algae, and that's what makes up

529
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: a big part of their diet, so not really farming,

530
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: but they call them farms, right. So these researchers from Australia,

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Speaker 1: they recently discovered that long fin damselfish take the whole

532
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Speaker 1: thing a step further. The researchers noticed that long fin

533
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 1: damselfish farms have lots of these, uh, these really specific

534
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: tiny shrimp called micid hanging around, and they observed that

535
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: the mice had shrimp didn't seem to mind being close

536
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: to the damselfish, even though they avoided all other kinds

537
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: of fishes, and that the damselfish that had a lot

538
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: of shrimp chilling out on their algae plots tended to

539
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: get better crops, so to speak. And it turns out

540
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: that micid shrimp feces makes dynamite algae fertilizer. After extensive observation,

541
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Speaker 1: the researchers concluded the damselfish and miceid shrimp have evolved

542
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: into a relationship that seems a lot like domestication. Mice

543
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: and shrimp are actually attracted to the smell of long

544
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: fin damselfish and we'll seek them out. Damselfish are highly

545
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: protective of their farms and they chase away any critters

546
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: that come near except mice and shrimp. So the shrimp

547
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: get protection from other predators by the damselfish, and the

548
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: damselfish get fertilizer from the crops from the shrimp pooping.

549
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: It's one of those like cool science stories that mainstream

550
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: media just loves to grab because it makes animals seem

551
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: more human. But I am personally just wary of anthropomorphism

552
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: in general. This seems to be an example of people

553
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: wanting to ascribe human traits to fish. So I don't

554
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,920
Speaker 1: believe that the fish are intentionally cultivating and domesticating these shrimp.

555
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: I don't buy it. I think now, I think the

556
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: shrimp are getting protection, the fish are getting more food,

557
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: and they've both just learned to tolerate in each other

558
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: and be like cool, you can hang out. But here's

559
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: my question. I'm run this out to all the real

560
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: biologists out there because I know we have something that Listen,

561
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: how is this different from all the symbiotic relationships that

562
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: we already know exist between aquatic species, Like, how is

563
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: this such a big deal? We know clown fish hang

564
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: out with C. N M and E s because they

565
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 1: both get mutual protection from predators. We know that certain

566
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: type of rass operate what we call cleaning stations in

567
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 1: the reef, where larger reef fish will show up and

568
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,239
Speaker 1: let the rest eat all the parasites and dead tissue off.

569
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: How is this different? I don't get it. Like I

570
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: read the paper, and the paper seems to be claiming

571
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: that this is a totally different system, But I don't

572
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: get how it's different. So I'm actually asking, please, someone

573
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: who gets this better than I do, send an email

574
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: and explain this. If I get a solid answer, I

575
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: will do a follow up and and and admit that

576
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. But I don't personally see how this is

577
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: any different. It's a cool headline, though, it's a fine headline,

578
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: But I look at something like this and it's like, man,

579
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,479
Speaker 1: somebody you know observed this and put put some effort

580
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: into documenting it and writing a paper and all this

581
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,160
Speaker 1: stuff for a piece of information that that at the

582
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: end of the day, I'm just like neat, that's neat,

583
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: Like you know what I mean, Like this doesn't forward

584
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: progress or like it's just like figure that out. So

585
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe maybe maybe this will somehow lead to

586
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: more respect for damselfish, because if there's one thing I

587
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: know about damselfish having grown up with saltwater aquariums in

588
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: the house. Okay, you know how like you can't do

589
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,280
Speaker 1: saltwater and just throw ship in there. You gotta wait

590
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: for the bacteria to set up and salted it right.

591
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: And the sacrificial lambs are the damselfish. The damselfish are

592
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: the cheapest saltwater fish in the aquarium store that you

593
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: throw in to make sure your ship's right before you

594
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: throw that fifty bucks away on the blue tang. That's

595
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: what I know of damsel fish. So maybe they're Maybe

596
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: somebody be like, wow, they are way too smart to

597
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: be the toilet flushers for saltwater aquariums worldwide. If this

598
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: really is an example of like domestication in in in

599
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: another in a fish species, I get why it's a

600
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: big deal. I just again, I just don't understand how

601
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: it fits, how it's different than just basic symbiosis. I'm

602
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 1: missing something here. I don't really see it in either.

603
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,279
Speaker 1: And frankly, like, um, comparing this to you're talking about

604
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: the cleaner rass is, I think that's a much more

605
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: interesting symbiotic relationship. Frankly, you know, like what they do

606
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: for for fish than than this. But you know who

607
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 1: am I? This one has an extra step right, because

608
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: they're not it's not directly the shrimp and the fish.

609
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 1: There's the alergae involved, so there's a third party. I

610
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 1: get it. It's a little more complicated, but still I'm

611
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 1: not sold. We'll take it here from throwaway damsel fish

612
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: in your tank to to fish that everybody wants uh

613
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 1: for for the long haul, maybe even for the wall ah.

614
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: And this one comes from for the wind dot com

615
00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: headline in rare feet angler land two near record muskies

616
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,560
Speaker 1: on the same day. And this is a pretty short story.

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00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna I'm just gonna run through it here

618
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: real quick. When Benjamin Knutson's fishing rod bent double recently

619
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Speaker 1: on Minnesota's Malacs Lake, I knew right away. He said

620
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 1: this was the one I was hunting for. It was her,

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Speaker 1: and that muskie measured fifty six point five inches and

622
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 1: weighed an estimated fifty one pounds, which is an exceptional catch,

623
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Speaker 1: as the story points out, for this large but shallow lake.

624
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Speaker 1: But while that could have justified calling it today, Knutson

625
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: two hours later landed another muskie that measured fifty three

626
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 1: point to five inches and weighed an estimated fifty four

627
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 1: pounds based on the length girth measurement formula, and both

628
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: muskies were released and fell just short of the record

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Speaker 1: in the state's catch and release land category, which is

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Speaker 1: fifty seven point four inches. Also, the second muskie, if

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00:35:55,880 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: Knutson's weight estimate was accurate, would have tied a Minnesota

632
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: weight record that has stood since nineteen fifty seven. That

633
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,760
Speaker 1: fish has actually come up on this show several times before,

634
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: and that fish measured fifty six. So for all the

635
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: musky fans out there wondering what the skinny is, both

636
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 1: of those fish fell to the famed Bulldog, And if

637
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: you're familiar with that soft plastic it weighs a ton

638
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 1: and I find them utterly painful to throw. But they

639
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: catch biggins. Man, it is a legendary Lord. It's basically

640
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: nothing but a gigantic mr Twister, and they catch some

641
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: some big muskies. And you know, all I can think

642
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 1: of here is how this makes other musky anglers feel

643
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 1: like to tie it to the season. It's like when

644
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,479
Speaker 1: all you want your yeah, yeah, it's like, well, well yeah,

645
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: it's the holidays, man, You piste off about something. But

646
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: It's like when all you want in your life is

647
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: the micro Machines aircraft carrier, and every chance you get

648
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 1: for months you drop hints about wanting the micro Machines

649
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: aircraft carrier. Then on Christmas more and you get no

650
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,720
Speaker 1: aircraft carrier, but the next door gets the aircraft carrier

651
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: and the micro Machine see seven air Cargo play set,

652
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: and you just have to settle for the dollar store

653
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,960
Speaker 1: army trucks, which is my analogy for Northern Pike. So anyway,

654
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: but I can't. I cannot even imagine Ben, what Santa

655
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: can bring you that will be better than that. So

656
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 1: huge congrats on that set. You're you're you were taking

657
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: such a high road on this, SURMELI like, yes, you

658
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: as the guy who just has such a chip on

659
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: the shoulder up musky Like I'm slightly boiling in jealousy

660
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: over this, and you're like, oh no, I'm real, real

661
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: happy for him. No I am, because because I've let

662
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: it go miles like I don't expect in my life

663
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: to ever catch a fifty pound musky. Like I'm okay

664
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: with that. I don't expect to catch that fish. I

665
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: don't deserve it. I've said this about myself. I don't.

666
00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: I don't deserve it. I'm not devoted enough to the

667
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: to the musky pursuit to deserve that fish. It feels

668
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: like a justification for failure. But I'll that you have it.

669
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,360
Speaker 1: I'll let you have that and and feel better about yourself.

670
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,800
Speaker 1: And I think that that sets me up nicely, because

671
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: a lot of us seem to have been justifying a

672
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 1: particular act that we've done for much of our lives.

673
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna talk about that one. This is this

674
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: is my Christmas news story. All right. I did find

675
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 1: all right, all right? For much of my life. And

676
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but for much of my life,

677
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: I've been told that Christmas trees made great fish habitat right. Ah, Yeah, man,

678
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: I love it. I love where we're going. Yeah, you

679
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,359
Speaker 1: just you just love it. You just sink your old

680
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,720
Speaker 1: unwanted Christmas trees, the bottle of lake and the croppy,

681
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: the blue gill, the bass, everything you want. She's gonna

682
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: flock there. You'll have your own. I mean, it's gonna

683
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: be like your personal secret hotspot. It's gonna be stacked

684
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 1: with fish. Right. This is sometimes framed as almost like

685
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: a civic duty for fishermen, like, you're a bad angler

686
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: if you molch that tree, or God forbid you burn it.

687
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna im gonna throw a side note here.

688
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,800
Speaker 1: Old Christmas trees make the best bonfires. Forget about palettes.

689
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: Try a giant pile of dried out pine trees, complete

690
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 1: with needles. I promise you will never see another bonfire

691
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: like it. Again, It's amazing. It's illegal to burn anything

692
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: here like leaves and stuff, so we like we just

693
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 1: drag ours to the curb and they pick them up

694
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: like the track. Yep. But I'm telling you right now,

695
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 1: check out that that pine tree fire fire. But I'm

696
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: not supposed to say that. I'm not supposed to talk

697
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: about what a great bonfire you can make with your

698
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: old trees because according to conventional wisdom and the Internet,

699
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: you have to drop your trees in a local lake.

700
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: This is like lake fishing gospel, and and for much

701
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: of my life I just accepted it. Even if I

702
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,760
Speaker 1: didn't do it personally, I believed like I carried guilt

703
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: because I wasn't as good of an angler. So my

704
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: goal for this Christmas news story is to figure out

705
00:39:56,200 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: exactly how beneficial Christmas trees actually are when comes to

706
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: lake habitat, I'm biting my tongue. I want to jump in,

707
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: but I'm biting my tongue. Let me get through it here,

708
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: this is your day. A few years ago, a friend

709
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: of mine was telling me how they don't allow people

710
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: to sing Christmas trees into their neighborhood lake anymore because

711
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: he claimed the acidity from all the pine trees was

712
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: throwing off the pH balance. And I didn't question him

713
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: at the time because we were just shooting ship. But

714
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: then I was researching this story and I figured, well,

715
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: I should check that avenue out. I dug around online

716
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: and I couldn't find anything about pine trees affecting the

717
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: pH of lake water. So I then called a few

718
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: people who know way more about this stuff than I do,

719
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: and they hadn't heard about this issue either. So it

720
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: seems like it would take what I from what I

721
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: can gather from other people's more expert assessments than mine.

722
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: Seems like it would take an unreasonable amount of trees

723
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: to throw off the pH balance of a lake, like

724
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: as long as you're not filling the lake with trees,

725
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,800
Speaker 1: which would pose so many other problems. On the acidity.

726
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 1: I think this is a non issue. In fact, dozens

727
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: of states collect old Christmas trees and turn them into

728
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 1: massive underwater reefs. In certain cases, we're talking about tens

729
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: of thousands of trees, all tied together and sunk to

730
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: the bottom. The trees create structure for aquatic organisms and fish,

731
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: and then they break down in further feed the system.

732
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: My home state, from what I can tell, doesn't do this,

733
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: but I found many of that do. So if you're

734
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: looking for something to do with your old tree and

735
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: you don't feel like burning it, check with your local

736
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 1: fisheries management agency to see if they accept tree donations.

737
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: But then this led me to yet another question. Do

738
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: Christmas trees actually make quality fish habitat? Like? Are they good?

739
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: And the answer, from what I can tell is yes

740
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: and no. The reason that so many people in states

741
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: drop Christmas trees the bottom of lakes has a lot

742
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:53,720
Speaker 1: more to do with their availability than their quality. Pine

743
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: trees have a couple of things working against them as

744
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 1: fish holding structure. First, they deteriorate really pretty fast and

745
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: will only provide good cover for a couple of years

746
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: at best before they disintegrate. Second, their branches are too

747
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 1: close together for big fish to want to use them

748
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: as ambush cover. I found one study from the Berkeley

749
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: Research Center in Nebraska referenced numerous times that claimed fish

750
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 1: gravitate two limb gaps just big enough for them to

751
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: fit in between. And Christmas trees have super tight limbs,

752
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: so they work well as a place for bait fish

753
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: to hide from larger predators, but not so well as

754
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: a place for you know, big fish to hang out. Hardwood,

755
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: with their more widely spaced branches, make far superior cover

756
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 1: for most of the fish species that we target, and

757
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 1: they last a lot longer. So bottom line, I only

758
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with tossing your old Christmas tree in

759
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: a lake, but don't expect like you're creating some kind

760
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: of a magical big fish paradise, right. That's not gonna happen.

761
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: More likely, your holiday cast off will just become rearing

762
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: habitat for baby fish, which is valuable but not quite

763
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: what we've been told. And finally, my last point, please

764
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: remember trees float, so you can't just go chucking your

765
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 1: tree into the water and like walk away and think

766
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: you've done well. If you want this to work, you

767
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: actually need to weigh it down pretty significantly and preferably

768
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 1: do so with biodegradable sandbags. So it's gonna say we

769
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: recommend a car battery just lead, pure lead. Ah man, No,

770
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: this is I'm glad you brought this one up, and

771
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 1: I've learned a little bit here. But I will tell

772
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: you see, i've heard the same thing about the acidity.

773
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: Now maybe you've maybe you've debunked that. Frankly, they used

774
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: to do this all the time growing up where I

775
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 1: lived right Mercer County Lake Rose Daylight. They'd be signs

776
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: bring your Christmas trees on this date. But as far

777
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 1: as I know, they shut that down years ago. They

778
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: don't dump any trees in any lakes around here anymore.

779
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 1: Now I can't tell you why that is. I don't

780
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: know if there was a specific study, but this has

781
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: come up in circles, you know, shooting the breeze with

782
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: with guys over the years. I have never heard anybody

783
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: say that they've had good fishing on dump Christmas trees.

784
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 1: And i've heard the I've heard the acid thing a

785
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: bunch of times, that they're they're too acidic, um that

786
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: they disintegrate to the point they disintegrate so fast it's

787
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: it's it's almost not even worth it. So I don't

788
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: know that we've come up with a definitive answer here.

789
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: I'm just sort of rehashing the things that I've heard

790
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:32,319
Speaker 1: sort of you know, speculated. But I feel like that

791
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: was a big thing when I was a kid and

792
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: a teenager, and it's it's gone away, and sort of

793
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 1: the consensus is now like just not not worth the effort,

794
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't really do enough. I think that's true. And

795
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: the pH thing was one I was really thinking I

796
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: was going to get a bunch of new information on

797
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: and debunk this whole thing, and I couldn't find anything

798
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: that And that's what's most fascinating about this one to

799
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: me is because I've heard that so much people. People

800
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: say it like it's law, like oh, there have been

801
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: studies at the university. But then you looked and well, okay, now,

802
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: now I don't know is that is that a myth?

803
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: But I have heard that before, so I have too.

804
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 1: But I haven't seen a sign or a call online

805
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: to bring your trees in a very long time. It's

806
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: still happening that I can say. It may not be

807
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: happy now by you, it's not happening out by me.

808
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 1: But there are a lot of places that are still

809
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,720
Speaker 1: doing that and collecting them for these really big, large

810
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: scale reef projects that that and Christmas trees are just

811
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 1: what's available. So I think that's why they use them,

812
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 1: because they can get them for free and they're there. Um,

813
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 1: So some places are definitely still doing it. But the

814
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: takeaway really is it's not a great panacea for fish.

815
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 1: But I also don't think it's like I think it's

816
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: a problem necessarily, but now I don't think you're doing

817
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 1: a great thing by dropping your your Christmas tree down there. Wow.

818
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: I know Phil is going to have a problem deciding

819
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: who who the Christmas Victor is because I feel like

820
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: we both did a good job keeping it lighthearted. Um, Phil,

821
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: you know who's been naughty who's been nice? And as

822
00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: soon as we're done hearing from Phil, uh, we're gonna

823
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 1: kick it over to the sale bin to talk about

824
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: another material that hypothetically could make some some pretty good

825
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: bottom structure if you had enough of it, which you

826
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: might if you purchased this item. Wow, it's the end

827
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 1: of the year already, man. I think after a year,

828
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: the last thing we need is something else to argue about,

829
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: and we already have so much of that around the holidays?

830
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,479
Speaker 1: Is Die Hard a Christmas movie? I don't know what's

831
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: the deal with parents in these Christmas movies where Santa

832
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: obviously exists in this universe? Did they not have Santa

833
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 1: visiting their house every year? If Santa was visiting their

834
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 1: house every year, where did they think all these presents

835
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:46,719
Speaker 1: came from? Who the cares? It's the holiday season and

836
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: I am crowning both of you winners of the episode.

837
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: Thanks for a great year, guys, see you next year.

838
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 1: But if you really need a winner, it's Miles. Why

839
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: did you put the head to pay? You don't know

840
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: what I'm getting back? What you didn't have to be

841
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 1: so hurtful with me so angry. This week's sale bin

842
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: item comes to us from the Craigslist page of Satellite Beach, Florida,

843
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: and it's not what you think. There's actually got tipped

844
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 1: off by my buddy Dave Graham. Shout out to him

845
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: for us sending this along. And look, I know we

846
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 1: digg on Florida from time to time on this show.

847
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: This is not going to be one of those legitimately,

848
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: So this is not going to be one of those

849
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: Florida Man type cheap shot setups where we, you know,

850
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: we find a guys selling a wheelbarrow with an outboard

851
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,759
Speaker 1: attached as a boat and we make fun of it. Uh,

852
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: this one is definitely unique, Okay, probably the most unique one,

853
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: I think that that we've seen yet so far. The

854
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: title of the listing reads wanting to trade exclamation point

855
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: twenty one hundred pounds of Lego pieces for a decent

856
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,960
Speaker 1: fishing boat and then lists of dollar figure and apparently

857
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 1: this this is all about, like all worth about twelve

858
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: thousand bucks. Yeah, Like, there's really not much room here

859
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: for description because the post is it's exactly what it

860
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: sounds like. That's what it is. And and I don't

861
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: know about for you, Joe, but for me, the photos

862
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: are not making this seem like an attractive opportunity. Just

863
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 1: piles and piles of tight shots of Lego. Yeah, it's

864
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: just Lego piles. And if you're even even just a

865
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: hint o c D, this is your nightmare, just straight

866
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: up Nightmaresh. I liked Legos as a kid. I was,

867
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: I was definitely into them, but I really hated when

868
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: the sets got mixed up, and because it would always

869
00:48:40,760 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 1: just turn into these these cauldrons of chaos. You know,

870
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: you were that kid g I Joe guns had to

871
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: go with the correct g I Joes. I liked it.

872
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: I liked having my sets as sets separately. I got

873
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: really anxious when they all just get mixed together, because like,

874
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: there you are, you're trying to build your car or whatever,

875
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: right and and you know you need that one set

876
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: of wheels, and they're in there somewhere, but you can't

877
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: find them in this kaleidoscopic massive like angle pieces and

878
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: braces and medieval turrets. And then there's always the random,

879
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: like yellow, weird disembodied heads floating around of the Lego guys. Well,

880
00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: the photos that we're looking at here are like that,

881
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 1: but just times a thousand. It's it's just like on steroids.

882
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 1: I don't think I got his nuts about it as you,

883
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: but I was a huge Lego kid. I love the

884
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: Lego boats that floated, remember the holes that were solid.

885
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 1: But I liked a set like I wanted to build

886
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: that set and then keep it made. I didn't take

887
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: them apart and make them ago. So I'm I'm the same. Yeah,

888
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: kind of on the same page there, so I'm with that. Uh.

889
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: Now the post does go on it says, we have

890
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 1: twenty one pounds of clean mixed Lego pieces of all

891
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: types that are surplus two our needs, which and this

892
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: just begs the question, how many Legos do you have?

893
00:49:56,239 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: If these twenty one hundred pounds are surplus to your needs,

894
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: what exactly are your Lego needs? And the only thing

895
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: I can think is that, like, are you uh an

896
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:09,959
Speaker 1: owner of one of the the Lego Land establishments which

897
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: I have been to with my children, And dude, if

898
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: you hate mixed legos, don't ever go there, like that

899
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: will be your personal hell side note uh, for that

900
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: very reason, Lego Land was kind of a bad idea

901
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: before COVID. Now they might be done, Like there's just

902
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: not enough hand sanitizing spray sanitizer on the planet. Anyway,

903
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 1: they just dip the whole thing and bleach at the end, exactly,

904
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: just burn it, burn the whole Lego Land down. Well. Anyway,

905
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: The post goes on to say, this type of product

906
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 1: sells every day on eBay. What type of product? Pounds

907
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: of legos on eBay for anywhere from eight to fifteen

908
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: dollars a pound, Like, I did not know legos were

909
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:53,160
Speaker 1: dealt with like beef, you know what I mean? Like, so, uh,

910
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: it says if you sell them at an average of

911
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: ten dollars a pound, there you go, it's worth of legos.

912
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:08,240
Speaker 1: Excuse me, I can't do so clearly? Right? Have you researched?

913
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: I did not? Really? Is that accurate? Did you research this?

914
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: I was not familiar with like contraband black market lego

915
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 1: prices before this, So I did have to do something.

916
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: That's why we love you? What do we? When I

917
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: got I cross reference, I checked Amazon and checked eBay,

918
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 1: I checked Etsy, and actually, from what I could tell,

919
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: this is legitimate information, like legos are comparable in price

920
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,760
Speaker 1: to what you would pay for like wholesale salmon filet's.

921
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: They're right in that eight fift a pound. Yes, really,

922
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: so if you just take a pound of mixed up Legos,

923
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: that's worth eight to fifteen bucks, just grando mixed legos,

924
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: not a set anything, just mixed. Yeah. And so like

925
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out the backstore on this, because

926
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: we do write it seems like this person at some

927
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 1: point realized that extreme legoing is not the optimal hobby.

928
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: If you live in coastal Florida, so you know in

929
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: the sun Ghion State's perennial recreation cage match. I'm gonna

930
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: say this, this person shows wisely because they picked fishing

931
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: over golf, correct, But they don't want to take the

932
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 1: time or effort to separate package and sell their literal

933
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 1: metric ton of assorted legos, which are potentially worth over

934
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: twenty grand, so they're just offer it up a straight

935
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: boat trade. Like I gotta say, man, look creative as

936
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 1: this is. I don't think this person, though, is going

937
00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 1: to make a successful angler. Anyone who keeps tossing legos

938
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 1: in a box with no rhyme, reason or organization until

939
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 1: they cross the two thousand pound threshold, he's gonna struggle

940
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:40,240
Speaker 1: with tackle storage, with tackle boxes and and and every

941
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: boat owner knows you gotta be a little O. C

942
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: D too captain and maintain a vessel um. You know,

943
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: when when this person does get a boat, if this

944
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: works out, I'm picturing a very seized up engine in

945
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,439
Speaker 1: the near future. But this one was a lot of fun.

946
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: We we we love getting links from you guys for

947
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: the sale being Keep those coming to bent at the

948
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 1: Meat Eater Dot com and if one of you out

949
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: there is like send me that like dred pounds of legos,

950
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm in hit us up. We'll get it squared away.

951
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: All you gotta do is take us fishing before we

952
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: move along. Miles mentioning of black market contraband in that

953
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 1: sale bean segment reminded me that we've got a message

954
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 1: of good holiday cheer from our favorite under the table,

955
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:24,000
Speaker 1: South Louisiana captain down the road, Darren, whose last name

956
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: we bleeped again. We have to beleeve it all time

957
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,240
Speaker 1: because he's still done warrants out in St. Bernard Parish.

958
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: Here's our buddy downing. What up, y'all? It's down road

959
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: Darren in South Louisiana. Me and my partner Joey Campo

960
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: want to wish y'all a merry Christmas. We're in the

961
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: duck line right now and we're freezing our cohone. He's off.

962
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,759
Speaker 1: Hopefully Santa Claus brings some warm weather when he gets

963
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,720
Speaker 1: his ass down here this year. And Santa, if you listen,

964
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: if you can do anything to get the Saints back

965
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: to the Super Bowl this year, I promise I'll stop

966
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: doing my side hustle selling boot leg Coast to sunglasses

967
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: to the drunk frat boys on Bourbon Street. All right

968
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: later there might want to be careful there. Those saints

969
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 1: are those saints are looking pretty good and uh and

970
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: from what I hear from you, anyway, that side hustle

971
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: he's got is pretty lucrative. Oh, I wouldn't worry about that.

972
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: I give that promise is zero percent chance of lasting

973
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 1: beyond the season. It's not like he swore to God

974
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 1: on his excel Lady Shantell. That would be an actual

975
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: blood oath. Dude, I have so much to learn about

976
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 1: South Louisiana culture. And since since we are on the

977
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: subject of people that I just don't understand, I think

978
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: it's about time to grinch up this episode. Yeah, it is,

979
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 1: because you guys didn't think we were gonna get through

980
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 1: this show without hearing from our very own internet fishing

981
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: expert Lance V. Did you? Of course you didn't. So

982
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: without further Ado, let's throw some some audio coal in

983
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: Miles ear Stockings with his least favorite bit, trolling with

984
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,480
Speaker 1: Lance the segment all you boys and girls love to

985
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 1: hate and hate to love the land, to the boats,

986
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: to the like, to the sea, getting up the n

987
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: on Net, but John Boyd, Lad Police, Nabby Dot stocking stuffers.

988
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: It's me, jolly old Lance Fee here to slather you

989
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 1: with Christmas cheer and internet fishing awesome sauce. I know

990
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: you're busy googling instructions to that go pro max Santa

991
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 1: brought you. But just so you know, YouTube can't teach

992
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: you how to make a viral TikTok fishing dance. Only

993
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 1: I can do that hashtag messaia. Remember, Christmas isn't about

994
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: family or goofy socks or fat guys stuck a Chimneys.

995
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: Christmas like life is a competition, So listen up because

996
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 1: this question from listener Kyles really captures the spear of

997
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 1: the season. Kyle writes, Dear Lance, if you were on

998
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:53,400
Speaker 1: fire in front of me and I had to piste

999
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,560
Speaker 1: up bad that my bladder might bus I don't think

1000
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 1: I would pistol on you to put you out, but

1001
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: I could use some of your advice. I need to

1002
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: viable lady Christmas present for my little nephew Crispin. His

1003
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 1: parents collect toe bags and celebrate me this Monday's so

1004
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: I know they only bought him lame educational stuff. You know,

1005
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 1: like books and toys made of wood. What can I

1006
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 1: buy him that will make him love me more than

1007
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: his real parents? Great question, Kyle, This one really touches me.

1008
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:23,080
Speaker 1: Hashtag children are a future hashtag little Angels, Kyle, If

1009
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 1: you truly want to be the cool uncle, you'll buy

1010
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 1: a little Crispin, a PS five, and a copy of

1011
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: Ultimate Fishing Simulator to then you'll download the secret patch

1012
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 1: that lets him play has his favorite fishing superstar. Me

1013
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 1: problem is, unless you're showering and doubling to Cheddar or

1014
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: have deep connections to the Russian Dark Web like I do,

1015
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 1: no way you're getting those. My guess is you're lucky

1016
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: to scrape up enough Elveta for a bowler, mac and cheese.

1017
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,400
Speaker 1: So here's the list of ball of gift ideas for

1018
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: all the broadcast uncles and aunts out there who didn't

1019
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 1: quite manage to get that box in the mail before

1020
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: Christmas but still want to be cooler than your siblings

1021
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: in the eyes of their spawn. None Bert, you know,

1022
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: a subscription to YouTube Premium. PLoP those kids in front

1023
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 1: of the screens and let the little tykes binge all

1024
00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: their Internet fishing heroes without having to sit through annoying ads.

1025
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: I mean, bro, did you watch the fur head Eyes

1026
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: tore It was like six infomercials for manly boutique soap,

1027
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: which is an oxy moron. And yes, I did have

1028
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: to look that word up to use it in a sentence.

1029
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 1: Hashtag vocabalarian, hashtag educator, new merrow two, potty fisher, toilet

1030
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: fishing game, Google it and thank me later. I guarantee

1031
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: you'll pick one up for yourself as well. Number three

1032
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: areno a Monster Energy Monthly Sampler subscription. Does this mean

1033
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: that little Crispin will stop asking his parents to pick

1034
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 1: up a case of Monster Energy Assault every time they

1035
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 1: go to the store. Of course not. He'll still need

1036
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 1: his daily sweet and salty power boost, but the monthly

1037
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: Sampler allows him to try out all of Monster energies

1038
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:59,840
Speaker 1: new lab tested formulas without sacrificing his routine. Hashtag discipline,

1039
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: and last, but certainly best, a fishing vest. Now. I

1040
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: know you're waiting for a sarcastic comment something like if

1041
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: you wear a fishing vest you probably still have an

1042
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: active Facebook account. But I'm dead serious. If Little Christmas

1043
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: parents are as lame and bait as you say, he

1044
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: probably needs itself and up. But I'm a fishing vest

1045
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,280
Speaker 1: so that every time he hits the water, the cool

1046
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 1: kids beat the piss out of him. It's basically like

1047
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: getting him a fight club membership hashtag first rule of Fishing.

1048
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: So there you go, Kyle. I hope you hit my

1049
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,320
Speaker 1: advice and savage Little Crispins new Year, since this Christmas

1050
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: has probably already been ruined by artisanal coloring books and

1051
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 1: patagony sweaters. That was exactly what I expected. But I

1052
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: do hope. I do hope that Little Crispin gets that

1053
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:51,439
Speaker 1: toilet fishing set. I'm gonna be honest. I actually bought

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00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,840
Speaker 1: one from my kid under the guys that like, oh

1055
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 1: it's a potty training tool and then and not a

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00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 1: present to myself. I hope both of you enjoy that,

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00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,520
Speaker 1: and I do not want to know how it all

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00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:03,840
Speaker 1: comes out. I'd buy one for my kids, but I

1059
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: gotta tell you, they have so many cheap play fishing sets,

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00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: which I'm very proud of, but none of them could

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00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: be pieced back together in their original form if your

1062
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: life depended on it. Like they're all just are they

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00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: all intermingled there in all different time zones, like there's

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00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: some outside there's some in this bathroom. You know, they're

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00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: just everywhere, so I don't I'm gonna skip that. I

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00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: don't really need one of those. But anyway, speaking of

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00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: piecing things back together, we're still thinking about our friend

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00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:33,439
Speaker 1: in Ladge owner Mitch McFly up in Canada, hoping things

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00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 1: come around so he can kind of piece his business

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00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: back together, you know, once these pesky COVID travel bands

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00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: are lifted. Um. But you know, despite that hardship, the

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00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: guy's just got such a positive attitude, you know what

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00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 1: I mean, considering what he's facing, and uh, he was

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00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 1: kind enough to send along this warm holiday message for

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00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 1: all of you there, folks. Mitch McFly up here at

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00:59:56,040 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: beautiful Pickerel Point Lawe on Alberta's Pristine Spooner's Lake, wishing

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Speaker 1: all our valued guests from the States as safe and

1078
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 1: a happy holiday. I'm sure many of you have got

1079
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 1: new ice augers and four thousand horsepower snow machines and

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01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: stainless Deel beer cozys from Santa Claus. Too bad you

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01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: still can bring them up here. Real shame at eight

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01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: to ruin your holiday by telling you about a hold

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01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,080
Speaker 1: of monster Walleyes that we've been schooling right off the

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01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 1: point or the forty seven inch pike that's been following

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01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: them around. So instead I'll just say take care and

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01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 1: God bless thanks Mitch. While I'm waiting to get back

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01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: up there, I'll just be, you know, doing donuts with

1088
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: my new four thousand horsepower snow machine in front of

1089
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 1: the retirement home that's right across the creek from my house.

1090
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 1: They're gonna love me anyway. Uh, we're just about out

1091
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,600
Speaker 1: a time in this way too long Christmas extravaganza. Yes,

1092
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: but before we go, Joe's got a holiday yarn that

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01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: he's going to spin for all of you. So grab

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01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,960
Speaker 1: a blanket the settle in while Uncle Joe does his

1095
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: version of Twas the Night before Christmas only with trouble hooks,

1096
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: stock trout, and family fishing lore. It's time for end

1097
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 1: of the line. Well that's not loud enough, Burt scooch

1098
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: on up to the fire boys and girls. Pour yourself

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01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: a fresh egg. Not because today your old pal Joe

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01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: has a Christmas tail that will take us over the

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01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: truck trout stock rivers of New Jersey through the mostly

1102
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,480
Speaker 1: clear cut woods where shopping centers now exist, and to

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01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: grandmother's bait and tackle shop will go to discuss what

1104
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 1: I believe is the greatest in line spinner of all time.

1105
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm basing that somewhat on fact, but more so on

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01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: a deep rooted family loyalty and a heaping helping of

1107
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: because I said so. It all started in France in

1108
01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: the nineteen fifties, where savvy businessman Cecil ho Sr. And

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01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: his wife Fritzie discovered the lore that would become the

1110
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: Panther Martin Spinner. To be honest, details of the exact

1111
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 1: order of events are conflicting and a bit cloudy, like

1112
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: that eggnog we're sipping. But to the best of my research, HOJJ,

1113
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,520
Speaker 1: who was a mastermind at mail orders Sales, struck a

1114
01:02:12,560 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: deal to get these lures imported to his facility on

1115
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:17,800
Speaker 1: Long Island in New York. It was there that they

1116
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 1: were packaged and sold as Panther Martin's, originally as a

1117
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: mail order catalog item, which as we all know, eventually

1118
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:29,600
Speaker 1: blossomed into wholesale with every major retailer from Kmart to

1119
01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 1: Walmart and beyond. J eventually moved manufacturing to Italy, and

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01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: as I understand it, that's where Panther Martin's are still

1121
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 1: made today and for most of my life, perhaps like

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01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:43,080
Speaker 1: for much of yours. You know, they said made in

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01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: Italy right on the package, so I just assumed it

1124
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: was the Italian stallions that invented the panther, But nay,

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01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: they come from France, just like the maps. So yeah,

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01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: the French really no cheese baggat's funny hats and inline

1127
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: trout spinners. These days, the Hog family still owns and

1128
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: operates Panther Martin and it's still import Jefferson New York,

1129
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:05,919
Speaker 1: and their catalog features a wide variety of offerings. Side note,

1130
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: many of you boys and girls may be unaware that

1131
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 1: Panther Martin actually introduced the first soft plastic swim bait

1132
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: to the market in the form of their VV floor,

1133
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: which featured a modern style boottail, decades before that was

1134
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: the thing, but we'll save that for another fireside chat.

1135
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: Today we're just focusing on their classic tear drop body

1136
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 1: trout spinners and their classic brass body Spinners Deluxe Fly

1137
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: Edition with the rad or yellow feathers lashed to that

1138
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: treble hook. What makes a panther a panther, regardless of

1139
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 1: specific model, is that it's blade rotates freely around the

1140
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 1: post without needing a clasp to spin it. The result

1141
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: is a tighter spin, which many, myself included, believes creates

1142
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: a sharper vibration under water. One could also argue that

1143
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: since the blade isn't swinging around all lucy goosey on

1144
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: a clasp, panthers foul less often and start spinning instantly

1145
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: after they touched down. Both the tear drop and brass

1146
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: body bottles are heavier than others in the category, even

1147
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: though they remained small and compact, and in my opinion,

1148
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:09,560
Speaker 1: they cast further and more accurately because of this. Never

1149
01:04:09,880 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 1: am I without tear drop Panthers with a silver blade

1150
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: and the yellow body with the red polka dots, the

1151
01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 1: gold blade with the black body and the yellow polka dots,

1152
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,320
Speaker 1: and some of those deluxe fly brass body models with

1153
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: those nice feather hotspots on the tail there for stained water.

1154
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: But here's really why these are my ringers on the

1155
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,640
Speaker 1: trout stream. Every year since I was probably seven or eight,

1156
01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:32,440
Speaker 1: I got a few Panther Martins from my uncle for Christmas,

1157
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:36,480
Speaker 1: only Panthers, never maps, never rooster tail, because he was

1158
01:04:36,560 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: a panther Martin guy. Though my grandmother sold the store

1159
01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: when I was only three, there legitimately was a bait

1160
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 1: and tackle shop in the family for a very long time,

1161
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: and my uncle worked there, so did my mom, and

1162
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: my uncle earned somewhat of a reputation as a man

1163
01:04:49,840 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 1: to emulate on the area stocker streams. He was sort

1164
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,080
Speaker 1: of a sharpie that all the locals knew, and according

1165
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: to my grandmother, people frequently came in the store and said,

1166
01:04:57,920 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: give me whatever. They all your son's catching all those

1167
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 1: trout on out there, And it was always a panther

1168
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 1: Martin that was slid across that glass countertop. To tell

1169
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: you the truth, those panthers just kind of accumulated for

1170
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: years because little kids don't always trust lures, right, Worms

1171
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: and power bait make more sense to a seven and

1172
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: eight year old. So I was probably twelve or so

1173
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: when I finally tied one of those panthers on, believe

1174
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: it or not, and I got whacked within minutes. And

1175
01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 1: that was that. And now I had a healthy stash

1176
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: of panthers from all those past Christmas is and I

1177
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,959
Speaker 1: was now a panther Martin man too, And I could

1178
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: argue that panthers catch more fish, but I know that's

1179
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: not entirely true. Rooster tails, maps and CP swings mess

1180
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:42,479
Speaker 1: them up equally. Still. When the last mom and pop

1181
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: tackle shop in my area, which was very similar to

1182
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,560
Speaker 1: my grandparents old store, sadly shut its doors for good

1183
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 1: last year, I bought all the remaining panthers off the pegboard,

1184
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 1: just about two hundred of them. They were equally as

1185
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,439
Speaker 1: many rooster tails and maps hanging there, but I left

1186
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: them for the dude that can probably tell a similar

1187
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: story to this one about those lures. Straight up, that

1188
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: was the best closer this show has ever had. Dude,

1189
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: you appreciate that Buddy crushed it on that one. That

1190
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 1: was really really well done. I like that one so much.

1191
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna mess it up with a stupid

1192
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: joke recapping all the stuff that everyone just heard. I

1193
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 1: do hope that that you all had a safe and

1194
01:06:25,080 --> 01:06:28,080
Speaker 1: happy holiday, however you chose to spend it, and I

1195
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: just want to say thanks, thanks for spending some of

1196
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: your time with us. We really appreciate all of you

1197
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:34,680
Speaker 1: that we do very much, and as always, drop us

1198
01:06:34,720 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 1: a line, send your awkward photos, bar nominations, sale ban items,

1199
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,720
Speaker 1: and how about we'll throw in worse Christmas gifts to

1200
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: bent at the meat Eator dot com. And if you

1201
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:45,960
Speaker 1: want to get the one and only Raliota on your podcast,

1202
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:49,919
Speaker 1: go ahead and scope Paradinoia on Instagram. Also, remember we've

1203
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: got some cool Degenerate Angler stickers and meat Eator fishing

1204
01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 1: stickers now okay, with your name on them. If we

1205
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: incorporate anything you send us into the show, you'll get some.

1206
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,720
Speaker 1: We're all so following that Degenerate Angler hashtag on the

1207
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: Graham and if we like what we see, you might

1208
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 1: get a little sticker treat from us. Yeah, for sure,

1209
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 1: I want to see. I want to see what comes

1210
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 1: up there. Let us know how you spent the holidays,

1211
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: and if you manage to get out on the water,

1212
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: tell us how you did. Merry Christmas. Everyone will see

1213
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: you next year on New Year's Day to be exact,

1214
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,880
Speaker 1: and you probably won't be listening then either,