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Speaker 1: kill Alexander, it is Kelly Bidlin. This is what we
Speaker 1: do on Mondays, the interactive game that h well. I
Speaker 1: hope you participate in trying to extract some value from
Speaker 1: the upcoming week's NFL lines, and in the process we
Speaker 1: look back at the week gone by. We have to
Speaker 1: do that part yeah, we have to go.
Speaker 2: We have to You're pretty good at.
Speaker 1: So we have to. Well, we'll get to all the games.
Speaker 1: Is how we do this first the way Survivors of all. Hello, Kelly, Billy,
Speaker 1: how are you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm doing well. How are you? I'm great?
Speaker 1: Thank you know, not great, but you know getting through it.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing, uh, Survivor. We always start with Survivor.
Speaker 1: On a Monday, we are down. We are down to
Speaker 1: fifty four entries. Fifty four remaining entries, thirty three knocked out.
Speaker 1: We went. We came into this week with ninety nine
Speaker 1: three got knocked out by the Steelers on Thursday. That
Speaker 1: brought it down to ninety six. Then somebody, and I
Speaker 1: hope this person's okay, oh gosh y failed to submit
Speaker 1: what at the time what at the time was about
Speaker 1: a one hundred and fifty thousand dollars intrinsic value entry.
Speaker 1: Then yesterday, thirty three go down with the Commis eight
Speaker 1: the Texans. We are down to fifty four fifty four
Speaker 1: remain out of fourteen thousand, two hundred and sixty six.
Speaker 1: That's ninety nine points sixty two percent gone. Kelly, if
Speaker 1: you're scoring at home, intrinsic value of the remaining fifty
Speaker 1: four entries. Each of the remaining fifty four two hundred
Speaker 1: sixty four thousand, one hundred and eighty five dollars and
Speaker 1: nineteen cents over a quarter of a million dollars per
Speaker 1: entry of the remaining circus survivor entries the remaining fifty
Speaker 1: four and our buddy Jake from Profitex is one of them.
Speaker 1: He'll be on the show later this week. Nice, he
Speaker 1: texted me yesterday he goes in. Then there were fifty four.
Speaker 2: I was like, yes, there are I like because Jake
Speaker 2: was he was very, he was very he was confident,
Speaker 2: but not cocky. I thought he was a perfect perfect yes, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: And like you need a mix of that, You need
Speaker 2: a mix of humiliate humility, because we talk about it
Speaker 2: all the time where this is come on, it's you
Speaker 2: need a little bit of luck to get you know,
Speaker 2: to get through a.
Speaker 1: Sea like this.
Speaker 2: You do, but you need some skill to plan it
Speaker 2: out as well.
Speaker 1: The thing that I the think that I appreciate about
Speaker 1: his his pitch perfectness on this too is this was
Speaker 1: a weird year, obviously, because the carnage of the first
Speaker 1: five weeks is unprecedented. By the way, We've never gone
Speaker 1: into Thanksgiving where the value of each entry, if each
Speaker 1: entry is over a quarter of a million into Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: that's never happened before. But the thing that I appreciate
Speaker 1: about his entry the most is he started with one.
Speaker 1: It's the only one. By the way, only four people
Speaker 1: have two entries left. Nobody has more than two. So
Speaker 1: forty six of the remaining fifty four have one to
Speaker 1: four people have two left. That's how you get to
Speaker 1: fifty four. And this was a year that beyond the
Speaker 1: carnage of the first five weeks, people played it differently.
Speaker 1: It wasn't as fun in many cases because a lot
Speaker 1: of people from the beginning just did the monetization thing
Speaker 1: from like really early on. So they're buying percentages, they're
Speaker 1: selling percentages, so that the joy of this is that
Speaker 1: one person that goes coast to coast with one of
Speaker 1: those guys.
Speaker 2: So I love it too. Also, I think it takes
Speaker 2: away now that we're down to nobody has more than two,
Speaker 2: takes away some of the gamesmanship possibilities that guys can plays.
Speaker 2: Now it's kind of just go out there and win it, right,
Speaker 2: It's kind of more just basic like that. You're right,
Speaker 2: we get we get all these marketplaces now to buy
Speaker 2: and sell stuff. Like you keep reading the implied value
Speaker 2: every week and I'm like, I'd have half of that.
Speaker 2: I would have sold fifty four percent or whatever already.
Speaker 1: Well, we will have them on before Thanksgiving. Hopefully he
Speaker 1: gets through if he's our guy. But good luck to
Speaker 1: all who are still left of the fifty four. By
Speaker 1: the way, there was one person who had six entries
Speaker 1: heading into this past weekend, four of which were on
Speaker 1: the commis. Yeah, thanks to Tony Farmer courtesy of the
Speaker 1: Survivor outlets for giving us those debts. All right, it's
Speaker 1: time for guessing lines Week thirteen in the National Football League.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Now.
Speaker 1: That might be the first time in the history of
Speaker 1: Guessing lines where I've ever like remembered the intro when
Speaker 1: it hit perfectly.
Speaker 2: Dude, don't freaking up.
Speaker 1: You did a great job, man, Thank you very much.
Speaker 1: I just want to point out when I do things
Speaker 1: right on the show.
Speaker 2: After you've been there before. Manute, see what I just did.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that every time. See see what I
Speaker 1: just did.
Speaker 2: Now we'll see on Wednesday, we'll check with a big
Speaker 2: one on Wednesday. All right, Thursday morning, you wake up,
Speaker 2: you get some Numbers game going. Man, Then thirty minutes
Speaker 2: after we're done.
Speaker 1: We should we should point this out. Oh I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: forty Fisher sentence.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go to the game. You'll get Oh.
Speaker 1: No, I was gonna say, we will be here on.
Speaker 2: We will be here, We will be here Thursday, we
Speaker 2: will be here Friday. Thirty minutes after a Numbers game,
Speaker 2: you get Bears out Lions.
Speaker 1: You get three games, and you get a Friday game.
Speaker 1: Bears a Lions starts at the four and seven Bears
Speaker 1: the ten and one Lions. The Bears. What a game
Speaker 1: this was on a on a different weekend, this would
Speaker 1: have been the game of the week. The Bears starts
Speaker 1: out Minnesota first drive, second and goal with the one
Speaker 1: Aaron Jones stripped by Jonathan Owens, mister Simone Biles recovered
Speaker 1: by Owens, and you figure, okay, maybe this is the
Speaker 1: Bear's day. Nuts about Chicago. A couple of drives later,
Speaker 1: Caleb to Allen for forty to start the drive to
Speaker 1: swift for thirty two plays later, Shan John's a different one.
Speaker 1: It's seven to nothing. Bears late first quarter. Minnesota comes
Speaker 1: right back though Addison two yard touchdown catch after Donald
Speaker 1: hit Addison for forty five, seven to seven. First play
Speaker 1: of the second quarter. Then Santos remember he had that
Speaker 1: field goal blocked against the Green Bay Packers. Well, he
Speaker 1: tries a forty eight yard and this one is blocked
Speaker 1: after Allen appeared to have made a great catch of
Speaker 1: the six but was ruled out of bounds on review.
Speaker 1: So Cairo Sento's now with another field goal block took
Speaker 1: He took responsibility after the game. He says, I have
Speaker 1: low trajectory kicks. Low trajectory kicks main seven to seven.
Speaker 1: Also the line getting shoved. Minnesota comes back fifty three
Speaker 1: yard drive, Donald to Jalen Nayler from five out fourteen
Speaker 1: to seven. Minnesota be fourteen to ten at the half
Speaker 1: after Santo's kicking forty nine yard are Okay, we get
Speaker 1: to the first bit of shenanigans, or not only his shenanigans,
Speaker 1: but the first bits of eyebrow raise of the day.
Speaker 1: So it's fourteen ten Minnesota. The third quarter begins, Minnesota
Speaker 1: first play Darnold to Addison for sixty nine even though
Speaker 1: Kelly he had stepped out well before that, like thirty
Speaker 1: three yards earlier, and it was detected by a boundary camera.
Speaker 1: Boundary camera comes into our life as football vans. Now again,
Speaker 1: we've watched a bajillion you and me, you listening to
Speaker 1: me and me, We have watched a bajillion football games
Speaker 1: between us in our lives. You ever heard about this before?
Speaker 1: So Mike Perera breaks the story that, just in case
Speaker 1: you couldn't, you didn't think that the NFL couldn't be
Speaker 1: more byzantine as they say about their rules. He lets
Speaker 1: us know that apparently on and I'm gonna get this right,
Speaker 1: that you cannot over According to Perera, the NFL officiating
Speaker 1: crew working the game could not overturn the play on
Speaker 1: a coach's challenge, even with a boundary camera angle showing
Speaker 1: that Addison Addison clearly stepped out of bounds. Because get this, Kelly,
Speaker 1: not every stadium in the NFL has that camera angle,
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't be fair to others. It would have
Speaker 1: apparently only been valid on a scoring play, which goes
Speaker 1: to official review, but on a coaches challenge because there's
Speaker 1: not uniform boundary cameras across the league, a twenty billion
Speaker 1: dollar league. They weren't able to use that they were
Speaker 1: not permitted to because of equity, and so Addison gets
Speaker 1: his sixty nine yard cast. Also, is this the one where.
Speaker 2: He said, if it was a primetime game of any kind, right,
Speaker 2: it would have been called because of that same thing,
Speaker 2: because the cameras would have been in place.
Speaker 1: Correctly, I missed that part, but yeah, that makes sense,
Speaker 1: the whole sense, but it's unbelievable anyway. It leads to
Speaker 1: a Parker Robofield goal seventeen to ten at that point
Speaker 1: for the Vikings. A little later on, the Vikings were stopped.
Speaker 1: They had to punt, but it hits to Andre Carter
Speaker 1: of the Bears, recovered by Bo Richter sets up Minnesota
Speaker 1: at the Chicago fifteen. Five plays later, Jones in from two,
Speaker 1: twenty four to ten Minnesota. Late third quarter, you figure
Speaker 1: this one's over, but Chicago comes back sixty four yards,
Speaker 1: including four conversion at the Minnesota twenty. Caleb for seven.
Speaker 1: Two plays later, Caleb to DJ Moore from seven out
Speaker 1: two point try fails, twenty four to sixteen. Halfway through
Speaker 1: the through the fourth quarter, twenty seven to sixteen. Now
Speaker 1: Bears looking like they're done with one fifty six left
Speaker 1: in the game under the two minute warning, their down
Speaker 1: two scores after DeAndre Carter returns a kick off fifty
Speaker 1: five yards, though, sets up at the Minnesota forty fourth
Speaker 1: and three conversion. Caleb to a Dunze for fourteen four
Speaker 1: plays later, Caleb to Keenan from one out, two point
Speaker 1: try good. Caleb to DJ Moore twenty seven to twenty four,
Speaker 1: twenty two seconds left.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 1: You know how this goes. They had to declare. They
Speaker 1: had to declare an on side kick and it worked.
Speaker 1: Set up at their own forty three to DJ More
Speaker 1: for twenty seven, Spike Santos for forty eight. Good, we're
Speaker 1: going over time. Oh my god, what a game. Chicago
Speaker 1: three and out of Minnesota matriculates, that's all it was
Speaker 1: from their own nineteen. They actually were a second in
Speaker 1: seventeen hole. They got out of it to Addison for
Speaker 1: thirteen on third and nine. At their own twenty two,
Speaker 1: the matriculate Jefferson for twenty to Hockets for twenty nine,
Speaker 1: John Parker romo twenty nine yard field go good, thirty
Speaker 1: to twenty seven. Minnesota wins it. They take on Detroit
Speaker 1: in this, or I should say Chicago does in this
Speaker 1: division game Detroit. There's not much to say about this
Speaker 1: game other than after it was three to nothing Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: You know how these Detroit games go. Kelly sixty yard
Speaker 1: drive gibbson from one, seven to three, seven to six.
Speaker 1: Game nine plays seventy yards Montgomery in from six fourteen
Speaker 1: to six halftime, third quarter, fourth and one at the
Speaker 1: Indianapolis fourteen Montgomery two yard lost. Maybe Indiapolis can get
Speaker 1: back in this Nope. Next time Detroit gets the ball,
Speaker 1: ten plays, seventy nine yard touchdown drive gibbs in from five,
Speaker 1: twenty one to six. Indianapolis couldn't do anything offensively. It
Speaker 1: ends up being twenty four to six. Here's Indianapolis's second half.
Speaker 1: Second half possessions, three and out, turnover on They wanted
Speaker 1: to go for it on fourth, but they had a
Speaker 1: holding penalty, so they had to punt three and out,
Speaker 1: three and out turnover on downs. Ball game held to
Speaker 1: two hundred and sixty eight total yards were the cold
Speaker 1: only eleven first downs. Chicago at Detroit. Your Thanksgiving morning,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say Detroit by ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, there are about ten and a half
Speaker 2: right now. Got the hook too, huh Yeah, got the
Speaker 2: hook too.
Speaker 1: Are the Detroit Lions. The Detroit Lions feel like one
Speaker 1: of these eighties NFC juggernauts. Pick your year, whether it
Speaker 1: was the Bears in eighty five, or the Giants all
Speaker 1: those years, the Niners all those years, or the Skins
Speaker 1: all those years. They just take care of every opponent. However,
Speaker 1: after watching last night's game, which we'll get to, do,
Speaker 1: you believe the Eagles are on par with this team.
Speaker 1: In other words, the Eagles script, which we'll get to
Speaker 1: seems to be the same every whether it's against the Bengals,
Speaker 1: whether it's against Washington, whether it's against the Rams last night. Oh,
Speaker 1: you can play with them for a while, but then
Speaker 1: they will wear you out. Every one of these games,
Speaker 1: I up the final scoring is of being a blowout.
Speaker 2: I think the Lions are the best team right now
Speaker 2: in the NFL. I think they will be the best
Speaker 2: team in the regular season. Talk to me the playoff skill.
Speaker 2: I think I'd like the Eagles a little bit more.
Speaker 1: That's the proper waivers. What you just do. Wait to
Speaker 1: not step on step out of all on that one,
Speaker 1: I agree with it. Everything you're saying come down to
Speaker 1: sixty minutes in January and perhaps specifically the NFC Championship game.
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Speaker 1: that that Bears Vikings game on it on a different day?
Speaker 1: That that finishes unbelievable. You're down two scores with less
Speaker 1: than two minutes left. You get that great kickoff return,
Speaker 1: you matriculate it, you get the two point conversion, you
Speaker 1: recover it on side kick for God's sakes, which never happens.
Speaker 1: You get it in field goal rage, you sink that
Speaker 1: and you just three and out overtime. And that's that.
Speaker 2: That was the That was the first off. What are
Speaker 2: the on side kicks when you see it where I'm
Speaker 2: always like, why can't.
Speaker 1: You do that more often?
Speaker 2: You know, it's like they just skipping across the ground, right,
Speaker 2: it's off the leg man. That Witching Hour portion yesterday
Speaker 2: though it was it was something overall. Oh boy, not
Speaker 2: Hansoon loving it like you said on any other day.
Speaker 2: I'm just like sitting there, I'm like, what's going on
Speaker 2: with like three of these games. If we don't keep
Speaker 2: up with the tweets, we'll never get through them. So
Speaker 2: let's just let's do every segment here. We get tweets
Speaker 2: of beating the book.
Speaker 1: Chris Hauser to Kelly Bidlin, you hit a five, and
Speaker 1: oh when you try to go oh.
Speaker 2: To five, I try to go five. It was just
Speaker 2: what I text year this morning, five oh circum millions
Speaker 2: a week. I only bet one of the sides. Puer
Speaker 2: I had another one. I had the Lions and a teaser.
Speaker 2: Then wait out of the season running already, and out
Speaker 2: of the quarter running already. I went three and two
Speaker 2: and two and three the first two weeks.
Speaker 1: Ryan Hyatt, we need ang deep dive from Gilly Kelly
Speaker 1: regarding the Kingsbury effect. At this point, it's real. For
Speaker 1: whatever reason, the midseason swoons, we saw Texas Tech and
Speaker 1: Arizona continue. Now as offensive coordinator at Washington, the only
Speaker 1: common denominator is Kingsbury. Well, ryot asking, you shall receive.
Speaker 1: Do we have that? Guys? Do we have the Kingsbury
Speaker 1: update on the screen. This is an unbelievable thing. In
Speaker 1: the first seven games, all those Texas Tech and Cardinals years,
Speaker 1: was he as head coach, then USC's senior offensive asistant
Speaker 1: last year before becoming the Commodore's offensive coordinator this year.
Speaker 1: Look at those first seven games and then everything that
Speaker 1: has happened after those first seven games fifty six, twenty
Speaker 1: seven and one, first seven, twenty two and sixty after
Speaker 1: good God, just wild asking you shall receive Johnny Millionaire,
Speaker 1: listen to you on your show, Gil in the megapod,
Speaker 1: and I'm glad I didn't go with your guy that
Speaker 1: something was amiss with the Detroit The Lions keep rolling,
Speaker 1: while Commi's and Texans were the big favorites most likely
Speaker 1: to stumble. I think he's talking about Drew. I'm guessing
Speaker 1: who didn't. Who's not a big who's not as high
Speaker 1: on the Lions as others. But the Lions keep rolling,
Speaker 1: for sure they do. And Washington and Houston again the
Speaker 1: record better than the teams actually are these days. Jesse,
Speaker 1: welch no offense, Gilly, because I'm sure it was terrible
Speaker 1: for you as a fan. But I cannot wait to
Speaker 1: hear your breakdown of the Fish Taco Holders game. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's coming. Las Vegas five to one, four yo Specialties
Speaker 1: plays so important it reared its ugly had yesterday for
Speaker 1: our team. The playoffs are slipping away. Sheesh. By the way,
Speaker 1: looking forward to you and Young Kelly's Top Thanksgiving Sides
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four edition. No raisins in your potato salad,
Speaker 1: No raisins in the stuffing is what I'm really about.
Speaker 1: Stop polluting your stuffing with raisins. Just give me the
Speaker 1: stove top. There's my list, all right, you ready? What's that?
Speaker 2: I'm glad we got that tweet. I forgot. I forgot
Speaker 2: to write that one down for this week. That's right,
Speaker 2: Top Sides gonna do that one at some point Sunday. Sunday, No,
Speaker 2: we're still Thursday.
Speaker 1: Thursday. Forgot Thursday.
Speaker 2: In the middle of the afternoon, one thirty Pacific Giant said, Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Forgot us Thanksgiving for a second Thursday. Three games Friday one,
Speaker 1: I love it. Giants against Tampa yesterday. Not much to
Speaker 1: say about this game other than Tampa just rolled him.
Speaker 1: It is Tommy DeVito and the Giants. Tampa Bay first
Speaker 1: drive fourteen plays seventy yards. Sean Tucker in from one,
Speaker 1: seven to nothing. Giants punt, Giants three and out. Third time,
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay gets the ball field goal ten to nothing.
Speaker 1: Giants three and out. Tampa Bay seven plays eighty two yards.
Speaker 1: Bucky Irving in from six, seventeen to nothing a little
Speaker 1: more than halfway through the second quarter. At this point
Speaker 1: in the game, the total yards was two O nine
Speaker 1: to nineteen.
Speaker 2: Is that good?
Speaker 1: Giants punt Tampa Bay eighty six yards. Baker in from
Speaker 1: ten and then he does his celebration in the end zone.
Speaker 1: For all the Tommy de Vito lovers can you do
Speaker 1: it for us? Kelly, could you do I'll do it
Speaker 1: for you. This is what he was doing it, but
Speaker 1: he's doing it really fast like this the whole time.
Speaker 1: It was a great South standing the best part of
Speaker 1: the game. What's the score of that point? Twenty three
Speaker 1: to nothing? They missed the extra point. That's the halftime
Speaker 1: score anyway. Giants. Then they matriculate first and goal at
Speaker 1: the five tyrone Tracy hit by Levonte David fumbles, Elijah
Speaker 1: Cansi recovers Tampa Go's ninety five yards or shot I
Speaker 1: were shot white in from one. It was thirty to nothing,
Speaker 1: Katie bar the door. I did get to thirty to
Speaker 1: seven because the Giants did get one scoring drive to
Speaker 1: make it thirty to seven. And the only thing noteworthy
Speaker 1: after that was on a long irving fifty six yard
Speaker 1: game Baker's blocking down field as well, which was awesome
Speaker 1: to see. Final score thirty to seven. Tampa rolls the Giants.
Speaker 1: They out gained the Giants four fifty to two forty five.
Speaker 1: Who did you say they were playing the Giants?
Speaker 2: Giants said the Cowboys. I thought you said that, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: Let me just talk about the first half of a second,
Speaker 1: because really the game was lost in the first half.
Speaker 1: Aubrey thirty five yardfield goal blocked, what three to nothing
Speaker 1: Washington after a Cyber forty one yard Then Aubrey misses
Speaker 1: a forty two yardfield goal, misses it wide right, still
Speaker 1: three to nothing. Cybert misses a fifty one yarder, still
Speaker 1: three to nothing. Then dawdlls hit by Johnny Newton, stripped
Speaker 1: by Bobby Wagner. Washington set up in the Dallas forty seven,
Speaker 1: three and out. A couple times later, Dallas punt block
Speaker 1: by Mathis. Washington set up at Dallas forty third play
Speaker 1: first intend at the Dallas twenty eight Jayden really a
Speaker 1: bad decision picked by Chauncey Golston, who's basically in the
Speaker 1: intended receiver's you know, lap, Dallas set up at midfield.
Speaker 1: They get a three and out. Dallas ends up taking
Speaker 1: over the next time with forty five seconds left, but
Speaker 1: they own fourteen forty five seconds left. In the second quarter,
Speaker 1: Rush chucks it just he just chunks it up in
Speaker 1: the air and Jalen Rooks comes down with it. Forty
Speaker 1: one yards later. Aubrey forty six yard fields three to
Speaker 1: three at the halftime, three to three. Washington should have
Speaker 1: had a big lead. That's where they lost the game. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll get to the good part. Third quarter, Washington sixty
Speaker 1: yards Jayden in from seventeen and you're like, okay, I
Speaker 1: gonna roll him now. Cybern misses the extra point nine three.
Speaker 1: Wash Dallas comes right back eighty yards rush to Jalen
Speaker 1: Tolbert from six out, ten to nine. That would be
Speaker 1: the score. That would be the score at the end
Speaker 1: of the third quarter. Wash Dallas ten, Washington nine.
Speaker 2: What a snoozer.
Speaker 1: Dallas would take a thirteen to nine lead. Eight eleven
Speaker 1: left in the fourth quarter and Washington first play after
Speaker 1: that Jayden to John Bates from thirteen that he's hit
Speaker 1: by Donovan Wilson. Fumbles were covered by Eric Kendricks. Dallas
Speaker 1: set up the Washington thirty five rushed Scoonmaker from twenty
Speaker 1: two out twenty to nine Dallas with five sixteen left,
Speaker 1: the DC Skins are down two scores. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's happening again. Historical double digit favorite against Dallas. They've lost.
Speaker 1: You know, some big ones in the pethers. This is
Speaker 1: only the fifth that we could come up with via
Speaker 1: the database. One of them in nineteen eighty nine when
Speaker 1: Dallas went one. In fifteen you guessed it. That one
Speaker 1: was when they were a double digit underdog to Washington.
Speaker 1: And in nineteen ninety one the greatest team of all time,
Speaker 1: Washington was eleven and oh playing at home, double digit
Speaker 1: favorite against Dallas. Dallas went into RFK RFK and beat
Speaker 1: him that day.
Speaker 2: But don't worry. Girl's moved on.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then there was yesterday, and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's happening again. Twenty to nine Dallas Washington, though nine
Speaker 1: plays sixty nine yards jayden Ertz from four out, twenty
Speaker 1: to fifteen, Daniel's Moses in on the two point conversion,
Speaker 1: twenty to seventeen Dallas with three to zero two left.
Speaker 1: Then one of the if it wasn't so sad, it
Speaker 1: would be funny. Twenty to seventeen Washington. It's now just
Speaker 1: a field goal game. They kickoff Turpin Cavante. Turpin misplays
Speaker 1: the kickoff, then he picks it up and he does
Speaker 1: like you know the Madden thing you do where you
Speaker 1: just spin for no reason. That's what he did to
Speaker 1: the house. You're not catching Turpin. Oh my god, the god,
Speaker 1: I just couldn't believe.
Speaker 2: It till the most early early two thousands Madden thing
Speaker 2: I've ever seen, except for the dropped him muffing it,
Speaker 2: because you know, muffin it mad. But oh, I actually
Speaker 2: hit spin move. I didn't really need to do that.
Speaker 2: And then my guy, it's got ninety nine speed is
Speaker 2: somehow eight times faster than everybody else.
Speaker 1: On the twenty seven seventeen Dallas with two forty nine left,
Speaker 1: and surely it's over, except it's not. Washington does the
Speaker 1: right thing. Give dan Quinn credit. They're down two scores.
Speaker 1: They got the ball as soon as they get in
Speaker 1: field goal range, right, that's it. Let's kick the field goal,
Speaker 1: and they do, and Cybert nails it. From fifty one
Speaker 1: twenty seven to twenty Dallas with one forty left. Washington
Speaker 1: does have two timeouts. They do declare on their own
Speaker 1: side kick that one fails. Dallas takes over it the
Speaker 1: Washington forty nine. But remember again, two timeouts left three
Speaker 1: and out for Dallas. So Washington does get the ball
Speaker 1: back down seven, but they get it back at their
Speaker 1: own fourteen with thirty three seconds left. Kelly, So I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it's basically it's.
Speaker 5: Over, except for Jane Magill, Jaydean Daniels hit Terry McClure
Speaker 5: in the incomparable one swears.
Speaker 1: Through the defense touchdown. Oh my god, sorry, I apologize.
Speaker 1: It was just the most amazing thing you could possibly imagine,
Speaker 1: because Terry McLaurin is the most never st He's incredible,
Speaker 1: and it's twenty It's it's twenty seven, twenty six, Dallas pandemonium.
Speaker 1: Except there's a little voice in the back of your
Speaker 1: head that said, didn't Cybert miss an extra point earlier
Speaker 1: in this game? Isn't he back from injury? Eddie misses
Speaker 1: wide left? Did you see where he put his plant foot?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it had no chance of The broadcast brought it
Speaker 2: up too right. Then, right before they got to the
Speaker 2: extra point, they're like, yeah, this is all kind.
Speaker 1: Of big for everybody. Saw there head twenty seven to
Speaker 1: twenty six, twenty one seconds left. The game's over, right,
Speaker 1: not exactly on sidekick, declared wan Ye Thomas, my hero,
Speaker 1: not to be confused with wan Ye Morris or Kanye West.
Speaker 1: He stupidly takes it to the house thirty four to
Speaker 1: twenty six. So there's fourteen seconds left. But now Washington
Speaker 1: conceivably could still tie. This Eckler returns at thirty eight
Speaker 1: yards before he gets popped, washingt at their own thirty
Speaker 1: six nine seconds left. Get it to the forty two
Speaker 1: Hail Mary picked ballgame. Finally you have your final Dallas
Speaker 1: thirty four, wash it in twenty six. I hate you, Dallas,
Speaker 1: Dallas minus five and a half against the Giant.
Speaker 2: You're a little heavy Cowboys four right now.
Speaker 1: I hate you at the bottom of my heart. That's
Speaker 1: all I gotta say. Coming back, We're guessing.
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Speaker 1: John Boudoutzi real convo with my son playing Madden. Me,
Speaker 1: why do you keep throwing bombs? Son? So I can
Speaker 1: score faster? Me? You should run the ball and matriculate
Speaker 1: it down the field? Son? What does matriculate mean? Me?
Speaker 1: I have no idea. Son, looks at me, Hail Mary
Speaker 1: for touchdown, sugar up. Matriculated by the way, because we
Speaker 1: get this, we get this every week, right, somebody tweets
Speaker 1: it about this. I know I'm using it incorrectly. It
Speaker 1: is a tribute to Super Bowl four and the NFL
Speaker 1: films footage of Hank Stram, the then coach of the
Speaker 1: Kansas City Chiefs, who ended up winning that Super Bowl
Speaker 1: against the Minnesota Vikings, telling his players just keep matriculating
Speaker 1: the ball down the field. So that's what it's.
Speaker 2: It's incredible. It's incredible. The fact that you could just
Speaker 2: like change that's in sports. We've changed the definition or
Speaker 2: added to the definition of a word, is just amazing.
Speaker 1: Blue hen Bill, as my Texans ticket went up in flames, Yessoud,
Speaker 1: I couldn't help but remember your guessing lines prediction on
Speaker 1: that very game with perceived value on Tennessee. Did you
Speaker 1: end up playing Tennessee? I did not because I don't trust.
Speaker 2: Them, but yeah, we had nice weekend. If those done something.
Speaker 1: Stringfellow Hawk, I grabbed the second half over twenty and
Speaker 1: a half in the Commodes game. That was a hell
Speaker 1: of a half a football. Good for you, and he says,
Speaker 1: I've already hate that's the Giants in the game against
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Gil's guys sounding like Toddy during his commander's recap.
Speaker 1: Great stuff, Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Director Isaiah Wrinkles saying the same thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Todd Wishnev, who literally I want to call him
Speaker 1: medic in for every Megapod when he does he's always
Speaker 1: a busting on one of my plays because he does
Speaker 1: a half game lead over me and he goes, wait,
Speaker 1: I'm hearing what the It's always a I always he's
Speaker 1: always predicting a loss of one of my bets that
Speaker 1: always involves a pylon at the end of the game,
Speaker 1: and he goes nuts doing it. That's good stuff. Beating
Speaker 1: the book Megapod. Okay, we got tons of games to
Speaker 1: get to but oh, the one last thing about the
Speaker 1: old Washington game, people were texting me about. They're like,
Speaker 1: oh is it? Is this going to be Hail Miriam
Speaker 1: Part two? Hail Miriam Part two? Attribute to my mom
Speaker 1: except for one thing. I never had a conversation with
Speaker 1: my mom about extra points, Like she knew nothing about it.
Speaker 1: What do you mean there's another point? Yeah we didn't.
Speaker 1: We didn't cover that part. Yeah, all right. Still on Thursday, Yeah,
Speaker 1: still on Thursday.
Speaker 2: Thursday night, I was just trying to pull up my networks.
Speaker 2: Is this Amazon's right? This is your I believe this is.
Speaker 1: Your Amazon stream.
Speaker 2: We're just trying to get networks for Where is that Friday?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's Friday because it's Black Friday. Yeah, you're right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is TBD. Kelly will figure it out. Dolphins at Packers.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna guess the NFL network, but I could be wrong.
Speaker 1: Dolphins and Packers, all right, Dolphins the sneaky in the
Speaker 1: playoff picture. Still yeah, a game and a half behind
Speaker 1: the Broncos for the final spot in the AFC NBC.
Speaker 1: Of course they're five and six. We've got that wrong.
Speaker 1: New England. Second time they had the ball, sly forty
Speaker 1: five yard try hits the right up right, No, good
Speaker 1: and that was that was basically their their biggest moment
Speaker 1: to glimmer of hope in the game, because then it
Speaker 1: was all Miami eight play sixty five yards two at
Speaker 1: a John Wu from seven out seven and nothing. New
Speaker 1: England three and out. Miami nine plays sixty six yards
Speaker 1: two at a eight Chan from nine out, fourteen to nothing.
Speaker 1: New England three and outs. Miami ten plays eighty yards
Speaker 1: two at eighth and from eleven twenty one to nothing.
Speaker 1: Miami New England three and a half Sanders field goal
Speaker 1: twenty four to nothing at the half. Do you need
Speaker 1: to know anything else about this game? I don't think
Speaker 1: you do.
Speaker 2: Maybe stop playing so much man defense New England.
Speaker 1: Oh, the only other part is New England third and
Speaker 1: three at the at midfield May sacked by Zach Sealer,
Speaker 1: fumbles recovered by Jordan Brooks that set up Miami at
Speaker 1: the New England twenty five. They actually got it to
Speaker 1: thirty one to nothing two it a Jalen Waddell final
Speaker 1: score thirty four to fifteen. Because New England for those
Speaker 1: who had Miami and survivor, I'm sure thirty four to
Speaker 1: thirty one to nothing was not comfortable enough because New
Speaker 1: England did get a new England did get a touchdown
Speaker 1: on fourth and fifteen at the Miami thirty eight when
Speaker 1: May just basically threw the ball up deep in Hooper
Speaker 1: caught it downfield to make it thirty one to seven.
Speaker 1: And then there was a Jalen Right fumble for Miami
Speaker 1: returned by Christian Gonzales sixty three yards to the house
Speaker 1: two point try good to make it thirty one to
Speaker 1: fifteen early fourth quarter, but they never got closer than that.
Speaker 1: Thirty four to fifteen Miami going away. Five and six
Speaker 1: are the Dolphins glimmer glimmer of hope to a three
Speaker 1: hundred and seventeen yards passing by the way should be
Speaker 1: pointed out. And then green Bay taking on a Brock
Speaker 1: Purty less Niners team and the Niners depth chart at
Speaker 1: quarterback is Brandon Allen in front of Josh Dobbs. Green
Speaker 1: Bay first drive sixty seven yards loved to Tucker Craft
Speaker 1: from eleven out seven and nothing. Mcmannus would make it
Speaker 1: ten to nothing. Next time green Bay had the ball
Speaker 1: after that seventy one yards Jacob's in from one seventeen
Speaker 1: to nothing. The Packers were just rolling and then the
Speaker 1: Niners showed some life sixty five yard drive alan a
Speaker 1: Kittle from three out seventeen to seven. Lafleur didn't use
Speaker 1: a timeout oddly on that drive, and then Green Bay
Speaker 1: had a deep ball that Dobbs just flat out dropped
Speaker 1: that he could have taken to the house, so seventeen
Speaker 1: to seven. But then so the second half begins, so
Speaker 1: it's not really a double dip, but a de facto
Speaker 1: double dip, big debo return, but it was nullified by penalty,
Speaker 1: and so that was kind of it. San Francisco next
Speaker 1: time they had the ball after that, because that drive
Speaker 1: didn't do anything. Third and eight at the green Bay
Speaker 1: forty five, Allen, picked by Xavier McKinney, threw Deebo's hands,
Speaker 1: returned at forty eight yards. They were set up at
Speaker 1: the San Francisco twenty six. Three plays later a PI
Speaker 1: on Dobbs in the end zone Jacobs in from one
Speaker 1: twenty four to seven. At twenty four to ten, San
Speaker 1: Francisco would at first and five at their own fifteen
Speaker 1: Allen hit by Lucas van Ness, he fumbled recovered by
Speaker 1: Kenny Clark. That set up green Bay at San Francisco
Speaker 1: fifteen to craft touchdown. Excuse me, you've done too at
Speaker 1: sixteen to Kraft for fifteen. Two plays later Jacobs in
Speaker 1: from one thirty one to ten. The final was thirty
Speaker 1: eight to ten after a CMC fumble later that was
Speaker 1: recovered by Carl Brooks that set up green Bay thirty
Speaker 1: eight to ten. They absolutely rolled the Niners. And someone
Speaker 1: was asking me, hey, Niners can't be in your power
Speaker 1: rankings anymore, not with Brock Purdy. They can't be. They're
Speaker 1: not even They're not even a consideration at that point.
Speaker 1: Green Bay. So it's Miami at green Bay, which is
Speaker 1: a sneaky kind of good game on Thursday night. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say green Bay minus four and a half.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this opened on the other side, this opened
Speaker 2: three and a half for most places. I believe Weird
Speaker 2: Dolphin's been taking a lot of money. There are a
Speaker 2: lot of threes out there now. It is mainly juiced threes.
Speaker 2: We are three flat at South Point because they don't
Speaker 2: go more than minus one ten, and there are three
Speaker 2: and a half's out there as well, three and a
Speaker 2: half at DraftKings right now.
Speaker 1: Wow, there are threes still out there.
Speaker 2: You said, yeah, it's come down to three Dolphins have
Speaker 2: been getting bet here early.
Speaker 1: This is still a Miami team going outdoors at night
Speaker 1: in Green Bay.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes, yeah, correct.
Speaker 1: I like the Packers, I really do. I like the
Speaker 1: Packers in this game as as met as Jordan Love
Speaker 1: has been playing as compared to last year. Let's go
Speaker 1: to Friday's game. Squeeze it in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might be with you on that one. I
Speaker 2: haven't bet it yet. Raiders at Chiefs. This is Friday three,
Speaker 2: eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1: The two and nine Raiders and the ten and one Chiefs.
Speaker 1: Raiders lose to the Broncos. We'll get to the Broncos later.
Speaker 1: But the Broncos I mean all the credit in the
Speaker 1: world of Sean Payton and bone Nicks. I've said it
Speaker 1: for about a month now. That is as hard as
Speaker 1: I am on Sean Payton, and deservedly so, I think,
Speaker 1: both for off the field stuff and for being overrated
Speaker 1: on the field through the years. This is his finest job,
Speaker 1: and bo Nix has improved so much in this and
Speaker 1: the twenty nine to nineteen win was just another display
Speaker 1: of that. Three to nothing. Denver Dylan Labbe fifty nine
Speaker 1: yard kickff return for the Raiders led to Minshew to Abdullah,
Speaker 1: six yard touchdown pass seven to three. It would be
Speaker 1: they would just trade field goals the rest of the
Speaker 1: half thirteen to nine Raiders into the second half, then
Speaker 1: a second and fourteen Raiders first drive second half, second
Speaker 1: and fourteen at their own thirty four. Minshew pick by
Speaker 1: Brandon Jones returns at thirty seven yards set up Denver
Speaker 1: at the Raiders eighteen second play, Nicks to Sutton touchdown
Speaker 1: sixteen thirteen. Denver takes the lead. With ten forty nine
Speaker 1: left in the third quarter, they would trade field goals
Speaker 1: nineteen sixteen. Now Denver seventy yard drive for the Broncos,
Speaker 1: Knicks to Sutton from two out twenty six to sixteen
Speaker 1: with five thirty left, and Denver does a great job
Speaker 1: of managing when they're up Carlson, We'll get a twenty
Speaker 1: two yard field goal to make it twenty six to
Speaker 1: nineteen uh and then Vegas eventually would take take over
Speaker 1: the ball down touchdown at their own twenty four with
Speaker 1: three twelve left. Drama right nothing. Minshaw immediately sacked knocked
Speaker 1: out on the first play. Turns out he has a
Speaker 1: broken collar bone. He's out for the season. Two plays
Speaker 1: later Ridder strip sacked by Nick Benito, Malcolm Roach recovers
Speaker 1: Denver Lut's thirty three yard field will twenty nine to
Speaker 1: nineteen with one to fifty six left Las Vegas. Remember
Speaker 1: what the spread is here, Kelly? Six points right, they're
Speaker 1: down ten are the Raiders. They get it to first
Speaker 1: and call at the diverst and goal at the doorstep,
Speaker 1: not even the one the doorstep like an inch away
Speaker 1: or two inches away. With twenty seconds left, Ridder incomplete.
Speaker 1: Then with sixteen seconds left, what's the one thing you
Speaker 1: can't do here, Kelly?
Speaker 2: Turn the ball up?
Speaker 5: No, take a sack, we take a sack anything, clock
Speaker 5: runs out. Play go Brocos, get the money.
Speaker 1: What are you doing? What are you doing? Coach them up,
Speaker 1: Coach the kid up, Antonio piars Uh that's your Raiders,
Speaker 1: by the way. And then the Chiefs they could you
Speaker 1: get credit as much as credit I want to give
Speaker 1: to bo Nicks. Give credit to Bryce Young serviceable twenty
Speaker 1: one up thirty five for two sixty two. This was
Speaker 1: a game where the Chiefs led, you know, twenty to six,
Speaker 1: then twenty to nine Carolina. In the second half they
Speaker 1: got it to twenty to fifteen and then they wanted
Speaker 1: to go for two, but they had a false start,
Speaker 1: so they had they had to kick the ashtra poyts,
Speaker 1: so was twenty to sixteen, and then Mahomes bullet to
Speaker 1: Hopkins from three out twenty seven to sixteen. Kansas City
Speaker 1: with two forty two late third quarter and then at
Speaker 1: twenty seven to nineteen, down one possession right a touchdown
Speaker 1: in a two point conversion. Carolina sort of fakes out.
Speaker 1: I don't mean fakes out literally, but they run a
Speaker 1: play with two to one left on a fourth and three.
Speaker 1: They convert Bryce to feeling for thirteen. Then a PI
Speaker 1: in the end zone. Next play chub In from one
Speaker 1: twenty seven to twenty five PI on a two point
Speaker 1: drive from the one Hubbard in. We're tied at twenty
Speaker 1: seven with one forty six left, and then Mahomes thirty
Speaker 1: three yard run you know, Schrader thirty one yard field goal.
Speaker 1: That's what it's set up. Thirty to twenty seven Kansas
Speaker 1: City ekes by Eeks Bye. This's got to be more
Speaker 1: than ten. I'll say eleven and a half.
Speaker 2: We are out to thirteen or thirteen and a half,
Speaker 2: depending on where you shot.
Speaker 1: Kansas City favored over the Raiders on Friday, on Black Friday.
Speaker 1: We'll get to Sunday.
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Speaker 1: We get tweets at beating the book, John Massey, John
Speaker 1: Madden Game, and Lambeau on NBC on Thursday night. At
Speaker 1: least you don't have to recap the Jets this week.
Speaker 1: Good point. Hey, Larry Fresh is out here in the
Speaker 1: sports book. He says, I'm out in the book watching live,
Speaker 1: listening on my headphones because they don't have you all
Speaker 1: on the mains on the main screen. Yeah, they always
Speaker 1: take us down.
Speaker 2: Oh there is Larry's waving.
Speaker 1: He's waving.
Speaker 2: I was like, I bet you we can see him.
Speaker 1: Bro Sik, I used to do that every tweeters and
Speaker 1: we'll just stop the show, will wave Bro sec eighteen seventy.
Speaker 1: What franchise doesn't have the boundary camp sounds like a
Speaker 1: Bear's move, But that's wrong. Maybe the Browns, but it
Speaker 1: wouldn't surprise me if it was the New York teams
Speaker 1: just going through the league figuring out who does that
Speaker 1: boundary camps? Spence, can we talk about how US Raider
Speaker 1: ticket holders were two inches from the back door cover? Oh?
Speaker 1: We just did. Also my third leg of grant of
Speaker 1: green Bay minus six and Seattle plus one. Oh, he
Speaker 1: lost to Parlay on that torch Day caught the Panthers
Speaker 1: live at fifteen to one with about two minutes left
Speaker 1: in the game. Panthers score, convert the two, but they
Speaker 1: leave Patrick hit the cash out button, Mahomes ninety seconds
Speaker 1: to score. They don't call them that for nothing. I
Speaker 1: cashed out for five times my original bet. Good for you. Awesome,
Speaker 1: But it brings to mind before we get back to
Speaker 1: these camps. It brings to mind a larger conversation, which
Speaker 1: is you look at your standings and the Chiefs are ten,
Speaker 1: ten and one. Honestly, where do they rank right now?
Speaker 2: Isn't this the option of the Lions conversation we had it?
Speaker 1: It is the opposite, is they are exactly It's the start,
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, I can put on my cape for sixty
Speaker 1: minutes in January, so don't worry about what you're watching now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is uh, this is Rounders, this is this
Speaker 2: is grinding my way through the regular season. Get get
Speaker 2: me to the main event of the playoffs, where I
Speaker 2: trust this team way more because we.
Speaker 1: Fell for this last year. I'm not doing it again, Gil, Nope,
Speaker 1: not doing it again.
Speaker 2: I'll make a stupid bets against him in the regular season,
Speaker 2: but I'm not doing it in the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And they're never great at covering these big spreads
Speaker 1: during the regular season a thing. Yeah, not that.
Speaker 2: Like I'm actually betting them, but I just I feel
Speaker 2: like every week someone's like, oh, Jeeves, they gotta hammer,
Speaker 2: they gotta hammer the Panthers, Right, I'm like, I I'm
Speaker 2: not laying that number.
Speaker 1: What's next?
Speaker 2: Sunday morning or afternoon if you're on the East Coast
Speaker 2: one o'clock Eastern Chargers at Falcons.
Speaker 1: Starters play the Ravens tonight. I am on the Ravens
Speaker 1: big tonight at two and a half, Ravens minus two
Speaker 1: and a half and in the Horror Bowl if you will,
Speaker 1: John over Jim tonight, Ravens over the Chargers. This was
Speaker 1: my favorite bet of the week when we did guessing
Speaker 1: lines last time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to you had a response out of me.
Speaker 2: I don't know how many times I've heard Gil Alexander
Speaker 2: say big in front of a bet on this show.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: That's pretty big. Who's this Chargers at Atlanta? You said, yep,
Speaker 1: so Chargers site unseen Atlanta off of by the seven
Speaker 1: and three currently Chargers, the six and five Falcons, and
Speaker 1: the Falcons better get it together because they got the
Speaker 1: Bucks right behind him with a really easy schedule knocking
Speaker 1: at the dough. I'm gonna say Atlanta. I'll split the
Speaker 1: difference between the pick them and the three. I'll say
Speaker 1: Atlanta minus one and a half.
Speaker 2: Fascinating. I feel like this has happened a couple a
Speaker 2: lot this year. Gil, you and I kind of have
Speaker 2: seeing things the same led to a bet here for me,
Speaker 2: we're on the other side. This is Chargers one.
Speaker 1: And a half. The market loves this Charger, yes, they do,
Speaker 1: loves this Chargers team.
Speaker 2: They do. There are pick thems out there. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is shop around, but this was one. I took
Speaker 2: a plus money money line on the Falcons. I mean
Speaker 2: at home with the Chargers. We haven't seen him yet tonight.
Speaker 1: It's just say this. This will dramatically move it one
Speaker 1: way or the other time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah it will now. Yeah, not a big opening
Speaker 2: bet for me, But I kind of saw it the
Speaker 2: same way, and I'm like, you're gonna give me plus
Speaker 2: money on the money line at home, I'll take at
Speaker 2: least a little bit of it on the open. It's
Speaker 2: the exact same way I saw it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't even if, even if on the
Speaker 1: wrong side of this in terms of who I think
Speaker 1: is favored.
Speaker 2: It's not like I'm recent a at the Falcons.
Speaker 1: Next, Steelers at the Bengals. Steelers extra rest again losing
Speaker 1: to the Browns on Thursday night in the snow. They're
Speaker 1: eight and three at Cincinnata. The four and seven Bengals
Speaker 1: still harboring playoff hopes, because that's what you do with
Speaker 1: playoff hope, s Kelly, you harbor them. I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: the same thing. By the way, Pittsburgh held Cleveland U
Speaker 1: to one of ten on third down but four of
Speaker 1: four on fourth Again on Thursday, I'll do the same thing.
Speaker 1: Cincinnati split the difference between a field goal and pick
Speaker 1: them Cincinnati by one and a half. I'm on the
Speaker 1: wrong side of this too.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, you're fighting out. No, you're close. This is Bengals,
Speaker 2: like two and a half. It's been Oh, this has
Speaker 2: been interesting early betting because it has hit I think
Speaker 2: it's hit three a couple plays. I was just trying
Speaker 2: to scan that as you were going through stuff. How
Speaker 2: about that it's hitting three. It's hit three. But every
Speaker 2: time it hits three, it gets bet right back down.
Speaker 2: So it is two and a half across pretty much
Speaker 2: across the board I'm looking at right now, Bengals. It's
Speaker 2: a juice two and a half time.
Speaker 1: I would have guessed that I would have been more
Speaker 1: off on this game than I was in the previous one. Interesting,
Speaker 1: So the market really does like the Chargers and the
Speaker 1: Bengals both. Yeah, typically week to week next all right,
Speaker 1: Cardinals at Vikings. Cardinals lose to the Seahawks in what
Speaker 1: was a big NFC West game but was kind of
Speaker 1: a black game. Yeah, three to nothering Arizona Seattle. Gino
Speaker 1: to Jackson Smith and Jigba the big one mostly Yack
Speaker 1: for forty six sets up Gino to JSN from three
Speaker 1: out three plays later, seven to three Seattle late second quarter.
Speaker 1: That was a score at the half. Arizona first time
Speaker 1: they got the ball down four. Now in the second half,
Speaker 1: fourth and one at the Seattle forty, Kyler goes right
Speaker 1: and then he floats a pass, horrible pass on the run,
Speaker 1: trying to dump it short. He sails it and Kobe
Speaker 1: Bryant picks it sixty nine yards to the hiszy Myers
Speaker 1: misses the extra point. Thirteen to three, Seattle, Seattle. Next
Speaker 1: time they got the ball, first play, fourth quarter, third
Speaker 1: and six of the Arizona eighteen. They're about to blow
Speaker 1: this open Gino picked in the end zone by Garrett Williams,
Speaker 1: Arizona eighty yard drive. Kyler to Michael Wilson for thirty
Speaker 1: great catch, but it only sets up a Ryland twenty
Speaker 1: two yard field goal that had to settle thirteen to
Speaker 1: six Seattle. Now we're in the fourth quarter. Then Meyers
Speaker 1: fifty yard are by sex of the upright, sixteen to six.
Speaker 1: And then this is the difference right between the the
Speaker 1: you know the dan Quinn thing we talked about, which is,
Speaker 1: hey kick the field goal early because you're down two
Speaker 1: scores and you have a shot. Arizona's down two scores.
Speaker 1: They completely botched the time management down two scores and
Speaker 1: then just sort of serves him right. Ryland misses the
Speaker 1: forty seven yard field will try anyway, sixteen to six,
Speaker 1: Seattle wins it. It's like, dude, deuce, either get it
Speaker 1: in the end zone quick. If you in failing that,
Speaker 1: you know, shot in the end zone, just kick the
Speaker 1: field goal early. They did neither. They did neither. McBride,
Speaker 1: by the way, twelve catches for one thirty three in defeat.
Speaker 1: We talked about Minnesota's win over Chicago the nine and
Speaker 1: two Vikings. Sam Darnold yesterday twenty two of thirty four
Speaker 1: for three thirty Addison eight for one sixty two DC
Speaker 1: zone and a touchdown, Hockinson seven for one to fourteen
Speaker 1: Jones twenty two carries for one hundred and six yards
Speaker 1: and a touchdown four hundred and fifty two. Totally odds
Speaker 1: for the Vikings. I'll say, Vikings by four.
Speaker 2: This is yeah, you're dead on Vikings four, nine.
Speaker 1: And two Minnesota Vikings.
Speaker 2: How are you feeling about them?
Speaker 1: That's also an inflated record.
Speaker 2: That's what that's when you and I have gone back
Speaker 2: and forth with this team. Three and a halves out
Speaker 2: there too, although we have.
Speaker 1: Four Aaron shots Dvoa has them high. He has them
Speaker 1: as a top five team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, they're up there at PFF. I believe too. Man,
Speaker 2: this Cardinals team, this is where I like Matt Brown
Speaker 2: and I talked about this was the scariest team to
Speaker 2: bet on or bet against.
Speaker 1: I want to love this Cardinals team. But man, they're tough. Man.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they just lay in a Yesterday that was a
Speaker 2: bad game. Next all right, Next up, Colts at Patriots.
Speaker 1: I don't love any of these so far except for
Speaker 1: except for you know, it's what I like the best
Speaker 1: so far. I like that Green Bays only three points
Speaker 1: against Miami. That's my favorite so far. What's next?
Speaker 2: Colt sat.
Speaker 1: Patriots five and seven. Colts still harboring playoff hopes despite
Speaker 1: their loss yesterday at the three and nine Patriots, not
Speaker 1: harboring much of anything.
Speaker 2: You threw me off of that joke initially because I
Speaker 2: thought you were gonna go with a harbuying or something. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm already. I'm already preparing for the horrible harbor packages
Speaker 2: and jokes today.
Speaker 1: Oh I know. Indianapolis held the two hundred and sixty
Speaker 1: eight total yards and their loss yesterday to the Lions
Speaker 1: and only eleven first downs. The Patriots held the two
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty nine total yards against the Dolphins. Something's
Speaker 1: got to give Colts by three. This is Colts two
Speaker 1: and a half, not even getting the full three.
Speaker 2: South Points got three up. A couple of shops with three.
Speaker 1: But you know why. I guess Chrissy likes my number better.
Speaker 2: That's that's right, Chrissie likes your number better. It is
Speaker 2: mainly two and a.
Speaker 1: Half though, juice to the indie side. Um, all right,
Speaker 1: let's do another.
Speaker 5: Okay, raising three cru Seahawks at Jets.
Speaker 2: This one's quick, all right.
Speaker 1: The six and five Seahawks, who now are co leaders
Speaker 1: of the NFC West with Arizona. They're both six and five,
Speaker 1: and the Rams and the Niners are both five and six.
Speaker 1: Six and five Seahawks at the three and eight Jets.
Speaker 1: You're right to the uh to the person who tweeted
Speaker 1: and said we don't have to recap the Jets, thank goodness,
Speaker 1: because they were idle Seattle minus. I know how much
Speaker 1: the market loves the Jets irrationally, so it's probably only
Speaker 1: Seattle minus three.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is very interesting. We are Seattle one and
Speaker 2: a half at DraftKings Wow, Westgate has two and a
Speaker 2: half up on this game, and Circa just open pick him.
Speaker 2: So we are a little all over the place where
Speaker 2: Circa just went to pick him.
Speaker 1: I should say, how about the reports that Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: wants to play but just not with the Jets next year?
Speaker 1: How about that this guy? Do we all find it?
Speaker 1: Do you all finally get how how ridiculous this guy
Speaker 1: is yet? Do we all get that yet? I want
Speaker 1: to say, remember last year when I was screaming at
Speaker 1: you all about oh, he can't come back from the Achilles.
Speaker 1: He's talking Schmack, and all these hack doctors on Twitter
Speaker 1: were like, oh, yeah, he's right, he can go back. No,
Speaker 1: everything he talks about, his nonsense.
Speaker 2: I want to say, who'd make that gamble to bring
Speaker 2: him in?
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
Speaker 2: There's so many bad football teams.
Speaker 1: You do not want this dude on your franchise. Plus
Speaker 1: he's gonna be forty one. What are you doing? What
Speaker 1: do you think he can give you?
Speaker 2: He's not giving anything right.
Speaker 1: Now except for pure chaos stress. I can come up
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Speaker 1: It's my little buddy, Kelly Bidlin. Everybody here, producer number nine,
Speaker 1: so much more than a producer. You and I were just, Oh,
Speaker 1: you're about to re read a text or something right there.
Speaker 2: Oh, I might have to say. I got a I
Speaker 2: got a tweet real quick. I pulled up from an
Speaker 2: underdog comparing Adrian Peterson's twenty twelve season MVP that year, right,
Speaker 2: that was the one you want MVP to versus twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. Saquon and guys, I think we have a
Speaker 2: Saquon Barkley graphic ascent of odds movement rush yards through
Speaker 2: eleven games, twelve thirty six for Peterson, thirteen ninety two
Speaker 2: for Saquon Barkley, total touchdown seven for Adrian Peterson, twelve
Speaker 2: for Saquon Barkley, rush yards per game one hundred and
Speaker 2: twelve vers. One hundred and twenty.
Speaker 1: Six and Saquon from November twenty first, which is what
Speaker 1: four days ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this Thursday to day, he was plus.
Speaker 1: One oh five for Offensive Player of the Year. He's
Speaker 1: now minus three ten because he totally is now the
Speaker 1: favorite for Offensive Player of the Year, as he should be.
Speaker 1: MVP has gone from forty to one to five to one.
Speaker 1: Only Lamar and Josh Allen a shorter in the MVP market.
Speaker 1: We haven't gotten to the Eagles game from last night,
Speaker 1: but Saquon had twenty six carries for two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty five yards rushing now two point fifty five. That
Speaker 1: is the Eagles franchise record that he set last night,
Speaker 1: two hundred fifty five. It's one of the ten greatest
Speaker 1: rushing games in the history of the NFL. By the way,
Speaker 1: he also got four passes for forty seven yards. He
Speaker 1: is on pace for twenty one fifty one. That would
Speaker 1: break Eric Dickerson's all time record of twenty one oh five,
Speaker 1: which he said in nineteen eighty four. His five hundred
Speaker 1: yards from scrimmage over the last two games are the
Speaker 1: most since Sweetness Walter Payton did it in nineteen seventy seven,
Speaker 1: and his third game this year last night, he had
Speaker 1: over three hundred yards in scrimmage. His third game last
Speaker 1: night with one hundred and ninety five plus yards from scrimmage.
Speaker 1: The rest of the NFL has three combined.
Speaker 2: Absurd.
Speaker 1: That is absurd.
Speaker 2: He was that tweet kind of stopped you by tracks
Speaker 2: just because I saw this odds movement, and my initial
Speaker 2: reaction Gill was great, He's awesome. No chance MVP in
Speaker 2: today's NFL. No chance five to one. You gotta make
Speaker 2: that three times is long at least. But man, you
Speaker 2: start dominating what Adrian Peterson did that year. Okay, it's
Speaker 2: a conversation.
Speaker 1: Well, when you start mentioning Eric Dickerson and Walter Payton, yes,
Speaker 1: more so than even that, the question becomes, though, do
Speaker 1: you buy into the Aaron Shotts thing? Right? Aaron shots
Speaker 1: is one of the fifty voters, he says, the way
Speaker 1: he votes is MVP is a quarterback. Defensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Year is the sort of repository for everybody else
Speaker 1: who's not a quarterback. The question that I always ask
Speaker 1: him is do you feel of the other forty nine?
Speaker 1: Do you think most think your way, he goes. I
Speaker 1: don't know, some do, some don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think I think most years that's how
Speaker 2: I look at it too. I think it's tough though,
Speaker 2: when you have guys like Josh Allen Lamar Jackson have
Speaker 2: been so good, and when you already look at it
Speaker 2: that way, I think it's tough to put a running
Speaker 2: back up.
Speaker 1: There and the Ravens, the Ravens and the Eagles play,
Speaker 1: don't they coming up? Yes? Okay, so you'll have Lamar
Speaker 1: Jackson and you'll have Lamar Jackson and Saquon on the
Speaker 1: field together. You have Lamar Jackson on Monday Night Football tonight,
Speaker 1: twenty five touchdown passes in three picks.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be tough to beat that.
Speaker 1: It's tough. It's tough to overcome that. Him and Josh Allen.
Speaker 2: Josh Allen blongs up there in that conversation too. But
Speaker 2: if I had to make a bet right now, would
Speaker 2: be on Lamar.
Speaker 1: Yeah. The thing is, also, if you do the literal
Speaker 1: MVP discussion, if you're like, okay, let's talk about it
Speaker 1: literally speaking most valuable player. The way that I like
Speaker 1: to think about that is, Okay, if you remove that
Speaker 1: player from that team, what does that team become? Well,
Speaker 1: if you remove Josh Allen from the Bills, yeah, what
Speaker 1: the hell?
Speaker 2: Or they I mean, then it's then it's then it
Speaker 2: is Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes for sure, right right then
Speaker 2: Patrick Mahomes. Would he goes back in that conversation. I
Speaker 2: don't care about interceptions. I don't care about anything like
Speaker 2: that because he keeps winning.
Speaker 1: You ball came, oh, we'll have Drew on tomorrow. Drew Denzik.
Speaker 1: I think he I heard that he made a big
Speaker 1: bet on man Mahomes to win MVP. I think mon
Speaker 1: Asano told me that.
Speaker 2: I think he brought it up the last last week
Speaker 2: or the week before that. He still liked him and
Speaker 2: those odds. I just don't see that happening. But anyway,
Speaker 2: just an amazing performance and I just want to take
Speaker 2: the flip side of that before we get to the games.
Speaker 2: The flip side of that is everybody is obviously killing
Speaker 2: Joe Shane of the Giants the GM. If you watch
Speaker 2: the hard Knocks, the preseason hard Knocks on the Giants,
Speaker 2: it was great because they really let you behind the
Speaker 2: scenes of the Giants and all the decision making about
Speaker 2: letting Saquon go, and then the angst of the owner. Please,
Speaker 2: i'd you know, I'd hate it if he ended up
Speaker 2: with Phil That's where he ended up. And it's interesting.
Speaker 1: Because people don't like to hold two thoughts in their
Speaker 1: head at the same time, right, because it's very easy
Speaker 1: to just destroy them for letting Saquon Barkley go. And
Speaker 1: if you're a Giants fan, none of this is going
Speaker 1: to give you solace. Let me just say that in advance.
Speaker 1: Either way, you guys are miserable, and I get it,
Speaker 1: but I do want to say this the Giants mistake.
Speaker 1: And we've said this. I've said this on a numbers
Speaker 1: game for the entire duration of a numbers game. Some team,
Speaker 1: because you could only win a Super Bowl with a
Speaker 1: quarterback over performing on a rookie deal or with a
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer. It is incumbent upon some team that
Speaker 1: drafts a quarterback high to say, you know what, we're
Speaker 1: not going to give this guy nine figures. We are
Speaker 1: not going to succumb to this. As much as we
Speaker 1: thought he was our guy, he's not our guy. I
Speaker 1: remember I used to say it when the Rams had
Speaker 1: Jared Goff. I used to say that the Rams should
Speaker 1: be the first team that have built everybody around Jared
Speaker 1: Goff that should move on from Jared Goff. Now, they
Speaker 1: ended up getting to a super Bowl, and they ended
Speaker 1: up trading him. It was a whole different thing, but
Speaker 1: the point being that their mistake was paying Daniel Jones,
Speaker 1: and every decision thereafter was because of that decision. So
Speaker 1: when you pay Daniel Jones the big contract, then it
Speaker 1: followed in a vacuum that actually signing a twenty seven
Speaker 1: year old running back to a team with a bad
Speaker 1: offensive line and a team that's probably not going anywhere
Speaker 1: in a vacuum, that's actually kind of a sound decision.
Speaker 1: You can't really blame them for that. What you can
Speaker 1: blame them for, though, is the fact that you allocated
Speaker 1: all those resources to the quarterback who wasn't going to
Speaker 1: do anything, who, by the way, is not on your
Speaker 1: team now anyway either. That's where the problem starts. So
Speaker 1: you can kill Shane for that, the sort of retroactive
Speaker 1: I can't believe they didn't keep Saquon Barkley. I get
Speaker 1: why they let him go. I get it.
Speaker 2: So, yes, in each situation is different, right, But I
Speaker 2: do think one of the things we've seen in the
Speaker 2: NFL this year is hey, some of these stud running
Speaker 2: backs still matter. And it's not just Saquon level, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, it's Joe Mixon down in Houston, it's Aaron
Speaker 2: jonezones in Minnesota. These guys that are good and have
Speaker 2: been doing it well for a while are smattering to
Speaker 2: these football teams.
Speaker 1: Taequon would have made the Giants incrementally better, but they wouldn't.
Speaker 1: They would they have gone to the playoffs, by the way,
Speaker 1: And I was the guy who was saying to remember
Speaker 1: when they had the year and day Bowl became the
Speaker 1: coach of the year, I was the guy who had
Speaker 1: the all season unders on them. The next year, everybody
Speaker 1: thought I was crazy because day Ball got credit for
Speaker 1: stuff that wasn't him. That the Giants defense and offense
Speaker 1: were so good inside the twenties and then the red
Speaker 1: zone they were magically I mean, they were so bad
Speaker 1: inside the twenties, as you say, and then in the
Speaker 1: red zone they were magically great. That's not day Ball, right,
Speaker 1: that's a very you know, regress to the mean kind
Speaker 1: of thing. And sure enough they stunk after that. And
Speaker 1: by the way, Daball and Shane are both gonna be
Speaker 1: gone day. Ball's gonna lose his job, probably justifiably Shane
Speaker 1: because he was there, he was the GM when they
Speaker 1: paid Jones. He should probably lose his job because of that.
Speaker 1: But the Saquon stuff, and again, like I'm saying, it's
Speaker 1: not gonna make Giants fans happy, but yeah, for you
Speaker 1: guys either way. But like the people who are talking
Speaker 1: about that in a vacuum, in a vacuum, I get it.
Speaker 1: And by the way, thirty two other teams. This is
Speaker 1: the thing that I'm talking about with the old you know,
Speaker 1: numbers game in philosophy about one of these quarterbacks who
Speaker 1: you clearly see is not gonna be a Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: You have to resist the temptation, right, you have to
Speaker 1: resist the temptation. But it's so hard because then you're
Speaker 1: worried about the alternative. If we don't pay dak, if
Speaker 1: we don't pay Kirk Cousins, if we don't pay fill
Speaker 1: in the blank, what's the alternative? And it takes a
Speaker 1: remarkable amount of onions to do that.
Speaker 2: The thing is, I think it's for me. I think
Speaker 2: it's only gonna get worse with what you see in
Speaker 2: college football right now? Are these kids that we've now
Speaker 2: gotten to the point with the transfer portal where it's, oh,
Speaker 2: you're gonna bench me because I'm not playing well, I'm
Speaker 2: out of here, right And then the kid Boston Colleges
Speaker 2: do do that this year. Fine, I got benched, I'm
Speaker 2: off the team. I'm transferring. Immediately, get me away from here.
Speaker 1: Let's squeeze one in here, all right.
Speaker 2: Titans at Commander's Early Window On Sunday.
Speaker 1: Titans beat the Houston Texans. This game was sort of
Speaker 1: bananas too. Damian Pierce eighty yard takeoff return to start
Speaker 1: for the Texans. First place Stroud de cad Stover with
Speaker 1: fourteen forty two left in the first seven and zhering Texans,
Speaker 1: You're like, oh, we know this is going to go
Speaker 1: Noop seven to three. Houston Tennessee ten plays eighty nine
Speaker 1: yard drive Billy Levi's to Westbrook Akine wide open from
Speaker 1: thirty eight out right after Levis converted a fourth and
Speaker 1: one on the naked bootle like ten to seven Titans
Speaker 1: late first quarter. Next time they got the ball, ninety
Speaker 1: five yard drive started with an incredible seventeen yard pollered
Speaker 1: run where he bounced out to the left, ending with
Speaker 1: a Pollared ten yard touchdown run set up by Levester
Speaker 1: Ridley sixty three yard hookup two plays earlier seventeen to
Speaker 1: seven Titans. Could this be Houston's like nah seventy eight
Speaker 1: yard drive Stroud to Collins from five out to Dell
Speaker 1: from thirty nine the big chunk seventeen to fourteen Tennessee
Speaker 1: first and tendeth the Houston thirty two Pollard hit by
Speaker 1: Tim Centle fumbles. Mario Edwards Junior recovers Stroud to Collins
Speaker 1: for fifty six to start the drive. Suirlelyy, Houston's going
Speaker 1: to take the lead? No, They settle for a fair
Speaker 1: baron field goal twenty eight yard seventeen apiece and then
Speaker 1: Houston trying to run out the clock second and ten
Speaker 1: from their own fourteen in the first half Stroud picked
Speaker 1: by Jarvis Brownlee Junior, that set up a Folk fifty
Speaker 1: six yarder to make it twenty to seventeen Tennessee at
Speaker 1: the half. It get to twenty three to seventeen after
Speaker 1: sunk a fifty one yarder Houston second and tenth their
Speaker 1: own twenty five. Stroud picked by Kenneth Murray, Tennessee set
Speaker 1: up at the Houston thirty nine third play, third and
Speaker 1: eleven at the Houston forty Jimmy Ward sixty yard pick six,
Speaker 1: and the entire game changes. Heughs Tennessee was in such
Speaker 1: control of this, the former oilers, if you will such
Speaker 1: control of this. And now all of a sudden, the
Speaker 1: Texans take the twenty four to twenty three lead with
Speaker 1: seconds eleven and third quarter. Then Houston would have a
Speaker 1: three and out, but a punt return was fumbled by
Speaker 1: Jakwan Jackson. Chris Boyd recovers led to a fairbaron fifty
Speaker 1: four yard field goal is record twelfth of the year
Speaker 1: fifty plus. That's a record twelve of those this year
Speaker 1: for fairbaron twenty seven to twenty three, Houston nine to
Speaker 1: forty six left, first play, Levis to Chigokonko for seventy
Speaker 1: Where was the defense? Touchdown? Thirty to twenty seven Titans.
Speaker 1: What a game? And then fair Bairn misses a twenty
Speaker 1: eight yarder wide left the guy who's made twelve from
Speaker 1: fifty plus with one fifty three left. Next time, Houston
Speaker 1: had the ball because they had one more chance, one
Speaker 1: more chance. After a sack by Jeffrey Simmons, third and
Speaker 1: seventeen at their own one. Stroud sacked by Harol Landry
Speaker 1: safety thirty two to twenty seven on side free kick.
Speaker 1: They got to declare that as well. I do declare
Speaker 1: their own side free kick. Tennessee recovers ball game thirty
Speaker 1: two to twenty seven. Titans, they do it. They're at Washington. Yeah,
Speaker 1: were already talked about that. Seven and five Washington, three
Speaker 1: and eight Tennessee, Washington based on what they were favored
Speaker 1: last week. I'll say by six here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're about right on at five and a half's
Speaker 2: mainly out there right now, but five to.
Speaker 1: Six a must win situation for the taco holders of Washington.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, sure, you guys are all Jason today JC five
Speaker 4: six two zero seven six again because zero seven five
Speaker 4: was taken heading to Vegas Friday, starting at Fountain Blue
Speaker 4: looking for a traditional Thanksgiving meal.
Speaker 1: Any recommendations, Happy Thanksgiving, numbers game, family, Happy Thanksgiving to you?
Speaker 1: J C five six two zero seven six is your
Speaker 1: real name?
Speaker 2: I have enjoyed the the South Point Buffet a couple
Speaker 2: times on Thanksgiving. That's a good go to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, maybe chef Chef Keith does a
Speaker 1: great job down there. What do they do in the
Speaker 1: actual they do a Thanksgiving bus.
Speaker 2: I think it's been a couple of years since I've
Speaker 2: been now, so don't hold me to it. Check on
Speaker 2: it first, but.
Speaker 1: Yes, you know what I mean, we'll do that. Maybe
Speaker 1: I'll do That's a great suggestion. Brian moriannon completely hypothetical.
Speaker 1: But what if I told you to Rod Taylor was
Speaker 1: starting for the Jets. Does that bring you closer to
Speaker 1: the minus one and a half in favor of Seattle?
Speaker 1: I don't know, because there's the thing Torot Taylor ended
Speaker 1: up being like eighth in my backup quarterback rankings. The
Speaker 1: problem is we haven't seen him for years really playing was.
Speaker 2: He also didn't he have like a rough preseason preseason.
Speaker 1: His his superpower in his career was always that he
Speaker 1: doesn't turn the ball over. But again his we haven't
Speaker 1: seen a bulk of play from him for a few years.
Speaker 1: Jed O'Connor. Hard to feel bad, Aaron Rodgers. The window
Speaker 1: was last year. If fate has it, another championship isn't
Speaker 1: meant to happen. Yeah, the window lasted four plays jud
Speaker 1: before the before the Achilles, Andrew Wrinn cornbread Ceriso stuffing
Speaker 1: game changer. Oh boy, oh boy, burn bread Curriso's stuffing.
Speaker 2: Let me know what time I should come over. I'll
Speaker 2: bring a whiskey.
Speaker 1: This reminds me of people. You know, the best breakfast
Speaker 1: burrito in San Francisco has fried chicken and tater tots
Speaker 1: in it. It's like, are we cheating with that? Because
Speaker 1: it's just it's just unbelievably good. But that cornbread Cherriso's stuffing,
Speaker 1: torch Dads. I think the notion that MVP is a
Speaker 1: quarterback only award is hogwash. Saquan is the most valuable
Speaker 1: player on one of the best teams in the league,
Speaker 1: and look at the remaining schedule. Here's the question. He says,
Speaker 1: if MVP goes to a running back, would Offensive Player
Speaker 1: of the Year go to a quarterback. My answer to
Speaker 1: that last question is yes, yeah, you would. I think
Speaker 1: so absolutely would so too. Corbin. Good morning, guys. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: If I show up at Thanksgiving dinner and there are
Speaker 1: Raisins in any capacity, I'm leaving immediately and not coming
Speaker 1: back next year. Raisins do not belong anywhere near Thanksgiving. Sorry,
Speaker 1: not sorry.
Speaker 2: Oh, completely agree.
Speaker 1: Oh, Roger Jones, this is unbelievable. He goes wild. Guess here,
Speaker 1: you recently watch the murder of Air McNair. All right,
Speaker 1: this is a little creepy because I did. How do
Speaker 1: you know that, Roger? He didn't say, have you? He
Speaker 1: goes you recently watched the murder of Air McNair. I have?
Speaker 1: But why did you know that I watched that? That's
Speaker 1: a little that's a bit of a creepy tweet.
Speaker 2: Well, what a maybe hatch or streaming service? Which one
Speaker 2: is it on?
Speaker 1: Did I say something from that that they came out
Speaker 1: on the show? Otherwise these Netflix sort of watching what
Speaker 1: I'm watching and tapped into my stream Netflix. Oh so,
Speaker 1: off the air, we were having a discussion as we do,
Speaker 1: and you know, we're just I was just thinking, like,
Speaker 1: what is the headline like if you had to at
Speaker 1: this point through twelve weeks of the NFL season, if
Speaker 1: you had to write a headline, And obviously there were
Speaker 1: obvious ones Detroit ten and one maybe the best team
Speaker 1: all this, But I honestly think like, when I look
Speaker 1: back at the first twelve weeks of this NFL season,
Speaker 1: it's what you and I just talked about this is
Speaker 1: the year of the bizarro kicker performance, where we talked
Speaker 1: about this a lot the first bunch of weeks of
Speaker 1: the season. Nobody misses long field goals anymore, to the
Speaker 1: point fifty plus, to the point where teams were settling
Speaker 1: for fifty plus yard field goals to win games at
Speaker 1: the end. Remember we had that Butcker game where cheeess
Speaker 1: are like, yeah, I'm just kicked the fifty one yard
Speaker 1: and we'll win it. Whereas again, you know, in the eighties,
Speaker 1: Mark Moseley won a NFL MVP in nineteen eighty two,
Speaker 1: never kicking one past fifty yards and only making five
Speaker 1: between forty and forty nine, like it's just it's unbelievable thing.
Speaker 1: But simultaneously with that statement is never have we seen
Speaker 1: a season where kickers have made so many And I
Speaker 1: agree with what you were saying off air, and never
Speaker 1: have we seen one where they're missing like the chippiest
Speaker 1: of chips.
Speaker 2: I mean the blocks, the misses that I mean.
Speaker 1: We go well extra points now too, right, I mean we.
Speaker 2: Got kiders talking about low trajectories like trajectory bro like
Speaker 2: it's it's I wrote down a few things just of
Speaker 2: things I've noticed the offensive line gaps between teams. Some
Speaker 2: of these teams that are just so good on the
Speaker 2: offensive line rolling through the rest of the league, while
Speaker 2: so other teams they've got pieces with the offensive lines terrible.
Speaker 2: I think one the other one stands it. This all
Speaker 2: comes off us talking about the running backs last segment.
Speaker 2: The other one that's so obvious to be just watching
Speaker 2: this year. There are so many good nickelbacks in the
Speaker 2: league because it's a great one. It's so important you
Speaker 2: play out of that five defensive back set so much
Speaker 2: more often now. And these nickel backs are asked to
Speaker 2: do so much at the line of scrimmage with receivers.
Speaker 2: But in these outside corners they can't tackle at all.
Speaker 2: That like, they wear nothing, shoulder bads. We're just concerned
Speaker 2: about them covering big you know, we're big receivers downfield,
Speaker 2: and whenever you see a Saquad Barkley or something run
Speaker 2: it at these guys, you're like, oh, they got no chance.
Speaker 1: Cooper to Jane no bigger than with the Eagles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: him into the lineup. It's been a change. Let's go
Speaker 1: to another game here, Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2: We are on Texans at Jaguars.
Speaker 1: Blufinacaro textan, Hey Gil, thanks. She just reminded me I
Speaker 1: have to get a small box of Raisins for my dressing.
Speaker 1: What was the game?
Speaker 2: Texans and Jaguars seven and five.
Speaker 1: Texans two and nine. Jaguars, who right now are the
Speaker 1: leader in the clubhouse for the number one pick in
Speaker 1: the draft. Houston held the two hundred and sixty total
Speaker 1: yards against Tennessee Houston minus five and a half. I'll
Speaker 1: put it in no man's land.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is exactly where we're at on this game.
Speaker 2: Some five wanted to see where this mood we are
Speaker 2: five and a half. Basically, everyone, I should say this.
Speaker 1: Remember how before the season this looked like it was
Speaker 1: going to be a late season mega matchup in the
Speaker 1: AFC South. Yeah, not so much. Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 1: What it was? Line? Was it? Line?
Speaker 2: Five and a half?
Speaker 1: Here? Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah, next four oh five Eastern Rams at Saints.
Speaker 1: All right, this gives us a chance to talk further
Speaker 1: about that Rams Eagles game last night, in case you
Speaker 1: missed it. Uh. It followed the same trajectory of these
Speaker 1: Eagles games against the Bengals against Washington, which is to
Speaker 1: say that a team played with them for about an hour,
Speaker 1: for about a half and then once the second half started,
Speaker 1: the Eagles just wore down their opponents. In all of
Speaker 1: these games, Rams matriculated the ball. They won fifty three
Speaker 1: yards on four plays to start the game first intended
Speaker 1: the Eagle seventeen Kyron hit by Isaiah Rodgers, fumbles Nakobe
Speaker 1: Dean recovers. By the way, they needed replay assist to
Speaker 1: verify that Sirianni's challenge flag was in tough.
Speaker 2: Things in this game.
Speaker 1: From that, oh, looky, so that was the first thing.
Speaker 1: Then three to nothing, Philadelphia Rams go nine plays, seventy
Speaker 1: yards this time no fumble, Kyroen in from one set
Speaker 1: the three Rams late first quarter, later seven to six
Speaker 1: Rams Philly sixty two yards hurts to Brown from six out.
Speaker 1: Philly leaves it thirteen to seven, and that's what it
Speaker 1: would be at the half as well.
Speaker 2: And we had to go That's when we had to
Speaker 2: go for a review for Rachel where A. J. Brown
Speaker 2: caught it and took seventeen steps in the end zone,
Speaker 2: but we needed to go review that.
Speaker 1: I believe it was seventeen seventeen before the ball was hushing.
Speaker 2: He ran a full marathon.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm getting to the best part. Third quarter, first
Speaker 1: play Saquon for seventy touchdown twenty to seven, Eagles, fourteen
Speaker 1: forty nine left in the third Rams seventy yards questionable
Speaker 1: PI in the end zone. Stafford to DeMarcus Robinson from
Speaker 1: two out twenty to fourteen, and now comes the Eagles
Speaker 1: portion of the ball game. Philly seven plays seventy yards
Speaker 1: four to thirty four, Hurts to Saquon for thirty one,
Speaker 1: sets up gain will In from thirteen twenty seven to
Speaker 1: fourteen Eagles. Cardi misses a forty seven yard or wide
Speaker 1: right after Sirianni declines a penalty, sees that the Rams
Speaker 1: were gonna go for it on fourth and three, then
Speaker 1: decides to change his mind. We have to stop with this.
Speaker 1: Remember this happened on Thursday night with Mike Tomlin. Also
Speaker 1: he made a decision on an opponent's flag. He then
Speaker 1: changed his mind. We can't have this anymore. You have
Speaker 1: to stick to what you have. Chris Collinsworth was making
Speaker 1: the point after the game last night. If this were
Speaker 1: us playing on a playground, we'd be like, no, you
Speaker 1: already said that, No, you can't do this. You can't
Speaker 1: allow Syrian and oh that's what that's what Sean McVay
Speaker 1: is gonna do. I'll change my mind. I will take
Speaker 1: the penalty. No, stop it. You were dumb the first time.
Speaker 1: You need to be accountable for the for being dumb. There,
Speaker 1: that's my that's my No. I like it.
Speaker 2: But your problem, your problem is with how it's being official.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you have to. You can't let him change
Speaker 1: his mind. Elliott then makes the field goal thirty to
Speaker 1: fourteen Philly fourth and one at their own eighteen. They
Speaker 1: get in a took this push. Look they draw the
Speaker 1: Rams off sides. Three plays later, Saquan for seventy two
Speaker 1: thirty seven to fourteen Eagles. H it would end up
Speaker 1: with a garbage touchdown. Stafford to cup thirty seven twenty
Speaker 1: is your final and again Nakua nine for one seventeen
Speaker 1: for the Rams. He's so good, so good. This doesn't
Speaker 1: have to do with the Eagles. We'll get to the
Speaker 1: Eagles again later. Rams five and six at New Orleans.
Speaker 1: You said, this is yes, Rams at Saints, Rams five
Speaker 1: and six at New Orleans four and seven New Orleans
Speaker 1: minus one and a half.
Speaker 2: I think this is Rams minus two.
Speaker 1: Ooh I'm way off on that, But the Rams are
Speaker 1: really hard to figure out. This is this is probably
Speaker 1: the hardest line to make of the week, because again
Speaker 1: I'll say this every week, Who are the Rams? Are
Speaker 1: they good? Are they bad? Are they capable of greatness
Speaker 1: on any given day and capable of suckitude any given day?
Speaker 1: Same can be said for New Orleans.
Speaker 2: This feels about right to me, like this is kind
Speaker 2: of the opposite of that Falcon situation. If it was
Speaker 2: your line, I'd probably be betting rams here.
Speaker 1: But way in two man, staying away from now, I'm
Speaker 1: not racing about the Saints coming back looking for.
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Speaker 1: We had tweets at beating the book. Derek Michael eighty seven.
Speaker 1: San Francisco is sixty six to one to win the
Speaker 1: Super Bowl. He says, for San Francisco fan, this is
Speaker 1: great and toxic all at once. My heart tells me
Speaker 1: great value. Lol, my brain says, the bank roll will suffer.
Speaker 2: Don't do it.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you don't even know about Perdy, you can't.
Speaker 2: Do it right. You can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, chrisy that would read your tweet, but I
Speaker 1: was too convoluted. I can't read. I can't read it.
Speaker 1: I find a foot I can't read it. New York
Speaker 1: Mess sixteen. So you're telling me we can review if
Speaker 1: a challenge fat flag was thrown in time, but not
Speaker 1: if a player stepped on the boundary because the league
Speaker 1: cannot afford thirty two of those cameras. Do they know
Speaker 1: we bet on this stuff? Scott, I'm right with you, man,
Speaker 1: I'm right with you. It's the boundary cameras. Apparently there's
Speaker 1: a challenge flag thing. Kelly, you were just saying off air.
Speaker 1: Do we remember times where coaches have thrown the challenge
Speaker 1: flag a little too late and they didn't grant it?
Speaker 1: We do?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I sure remember many years ago, Gill
Speaker 2: it being a kind of a comedic thing about the
Speaker 2: coaches having to throw the flag like twenty yards they
Speaker 2: so they could make sure that the ref saw it
Speaker 2: before the play went off.
Speaker 1: Also, okay, there's that. There's the coaches get to change
Speaker 1: their mind now apparently, remember tomlin did it on the
Speaker 1: uh the illegal the illegal touching when the offensive lineman
Speaker 1: touched the ball. He was like, oh no, I'll take it.
Speaker 2: I was only confused when you started that conversation because
Speaker 2: I was like, it's so easy for us to go
Speaker 2: ripping on Siria. Audio was like, is that where Gill's going, Yes.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't be allowed to change your mind.
Speaker 2: And it's good on the coaches. Good on those guys
Speaker 2: for taking advantage of that. Well, a bad room in
Speaker 2: place to use it to your advantage.
Speaker 1: Well, we also don't talk about enough. Is this whole
Speaker 1: blurred notion of replay. It's it's when did replay assist
Speaker 1: arrive right all of a sudden one day It's like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we just looked at replay as this took
Speaker 1: three seconds for us to figure it out. Why don't
Speaker 1: you why can't you do it on everything?
Speaker 2: But then it's not always there. I mean, that was
Speaker 2: my biggest problem with with the aj Brown touchdown last night.
Speaker 2: Why we got to go to commercial break and for
Speaker 2: a review for this. I saw a replay right away.
Speaker 1: There's three feet in also college football, this was not,
Speaker 1: you know, material to the final score as it turned out.
Speaker 1: But you see the Alabama game where they just absolutely
Speaker 1: took a touchdown away from Alabama for no reason at
Speaker 1: the end where the guy on the side of like
Speaker 1: a late flag, he's like, yeah, the slot receiver wasn't
Speaker 1: coming up. The replay was like, yeah it was. It's like,
Speaker 1: you can't review that, Like that's unreviewable. Sorry. The things
Speaker 1: that are the most reviewable, remember, like delay of game
Speaker 1: play car you can't review that in the NFL. I'm
Speaker 1: with the replay assist thing is probably more than anything
Speaker 1: we've talked about. It's frustrating because that's the one you
Speaker 1: that makes it sound so easy because they use it arbitrarily.
Speaker 1: It seems like, hey, du if you used it for that,
Speaker 1: why can't you use it for this. By the way,
Speaker 1: you're so nonchalant about it. Oh, it took four seconds
Speaker 1: for you to figure out, Why can't take you four seconds?
Speaker 1: To figure out this because I don't know about you.
Speaker 2: The first time I heard it, I'm like, oh, finally
Speaker 2: there's just some guy watching it like we all are,
Speaker 2: and it's not that hard.
Speaker 1: Sometimes. That's the other thing about it is we're we
Speaker 1: learn things about a sport that we think we know
Speaker 1: everything about. Oh the boundary camera. That was like breaking
Speaker 1: news yesterday. Jason Ice, cool gambler. I'm not sure about you, guys,
Speaker 1: but turkey does not make me thankful on Thanksgiving. I'll
Speaker 1: take a nice steak dinner, no reason.
Speaker 2: Man, don't get me started on this one. Don't get
Speaker 2: me started. We got all the way to do this.
Speaker 2: I love Thanksgiving. Colin Murphy is talking about that. That's
Speaker 2: that creepy tweet I got.
Speaker 1: From Roger Jones where he's like, wild, guess, harey, you
Speaker 1: recently watched the murder of Aeron McNair and I was
Speaker 1: speculating I did something happen in that that I repeated,
Speaker 1: and Colin Murphy goes, did Steve McNair choke on a raisin?
Speaker 1: Or did Oz the mentalist? Just to uh torchdads about
Speaker 1: the Saquon thing? If Saquon he This is interesting because
Speaker 1: a Saquon pulls off MVP, and if Offensive Player of
Speaker 1: the Year is certainly a quarterback, then there's a direct
Speaker 1: correlation and you can parlay that at a place like FanDuel.
Speaker 1: So if you thought Saquon.
Speaker 2: Would an MVP, I love this.
Speaker 1: You could do Lamar Offensive Player of the Year or
Speaker 1: cho was Lamar.
Speaker 2: I mean the your only problem is you've got the
Speaker 2: josh Ala Lamar Jackson problem right now.
Speaker 1: Right, you sure do. But still, let's it's an interesting thought.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get that great point. I'm more to
Speaker 2: get to what do we dot oh four oh five
Speaker 2: Eastern Bucks at Panthers bucks and Panthers five and six bucks.
Speaker 1: The bucks are getting larger in the Falcons rear view
Speaker 1: mirror at Carolina three and eight Carolina given Kansas City
Speaker 1: all they could take, Tampa Bay out gained the Giants
Speaker 1: four fifty to two forty five and Bryce twenty one
Speaker 1: of thirty five for two sixty three for the Panthers.
Speaker 1: Good on Bryce young By, Yeah he is for as
Speaker 1: bad as he was and as much as we killed him,
Speaker 1: he's looking better.
Speaker 2: M hm.
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay minus five and a half. This is on the.
Speaker 2: Road six mainly six seen five and a half six.
Speaker 2: We have five and a half six. All right, keep
Speaker 2: on cruising. We've got four twenty five Eastern your Eagles
Speaker 2: at Ravens, not your Eagles, and the Eagles he brought
Speaker 2: up earlier.
Speaker 1: Is the game with this game of the week, right,
Speaker 1: he gave you reen earlier Birds versus Birds nine and two,
Speaker 1: Eagles seven and four Ravens again. The Ravens don't play
Speaker 1: until tonight for Week twelve, two and a half point,
Speaker 1: two and a half point favorites on the road against
Speaker 1: the Charge. I have all about the Ravens tonight and
Speaker 1: the Hardball Bowl or the hard Bowl, Saquon once again
Speaker 1: because it deserves. Repeating twenty six for two point fifty
Speaker 1: five last night on the ground, that's an Eagles record. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The seventy yards score is seventy two yards score, two touchdowns,
Speaker 1: four catches for forty seven. That means he had three
Speaker 1: hundred and two yards from scrimmage. He is on pace
Speaker 1: for twenty one hundred and fifty one rushing yards after
Speaker 1: that performance. The record is two thousand and one oh five,
Speaker 1: so he's ahead of Eric Dickerson's nineteen eighty four PA
Speaker 1: five hundred yards from scrimmage over the two games. The
Speaker 1: last two games two game span, most in any two
Speaker 1: game span since Sweetness Walter Payton did in nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: seven third game with one hundred ninety five plus yards
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. The rest of the NFL has three combined.
Speaker 1: Aj Brown six for one O nine in a touchdown,
Speaker 1: four hundred and eighty one total yards for the Eagles
Speaker 1: in that win against the Rams last night, three hundred
Speaker 1: and fourteen total rushing. By the way, Brandon Graham, I
Speaker 1: missed this. Torn tricep I know out for the season.
Speaker 1: I read it, write up about this and then we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: it happened early in the game. What do you mean
Speaker 1: it happened early in the game. He played a great game?
Speaker 2: Is that what has said?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I was like, what are you talking about that?
Speaker 2: He was great last He's another one of these guys,
Speaker 2: kind of older guys, has had a great season.
Speaker 1: Torn Tricep out for the season. That's a big loss,
Speaker 1: by the way, Darius Slay with a concussion as well,
Speaker 1: so that you know how that goes, right, That's a
Speaker 1: constantly monitored situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you gotta clear what five steps throughout the week, yep, I.
Speaker 1: Have without without seeing Baltimore play. Obviously it's going to
Speaker 1: factor in the performance tonight, but I have Baltimore as
Speaker 1: a two and a half point for.
Speaker 2: Ding, Ding, Ding. You're all over at two and a
Speaker 2: half right now. I'm a little surprised to see some
Speaker 2: of these two and a halfs have become juiced. So
Speaker 2: maybe we get to three.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say three probably doesn't give the Eagles
Speaker 1: enough respect, but two and a half sounds about right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right there with you the Eagles.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the game of the week. The Eagles
Speaker 1: are absolutely one of these teams that you just feel like,
Speaker 1: again three games that they've won the leap to mind, Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: Washington and last night against the Rams. You can play
Speaker 1: with them for about a half and then they just
Speaker 1: wear you out. They are so physical on both sides
Speaker 1: of the ball. They just destroyed the Rams on both
Speaker 1: lines of scrimmage last night. And you do wonder in
Speaker 1: January eight Eagles. That's the thing. Now, if you had
Speaker 1: to bet, what would you make a price on an
Speaker 1: Eagles Lions NFC championship?
Speaker 2: At this point where we are in Detroit, I'm guessing.
Speaker 1: We're in Detroit. I'm guessing, but I'm just saying, give
Speaker 1: me the match. Try.
Speaker 2: I actually think it's a good I mean, what we're
Speaker 2: looking at, Eagles and Ravens is probably a good compence
Speaker 2: Detroit two something like that.
Speaker 1: No, I'm saying, what would you put just this was
Speaker 1: a matchup Market So you know how we have Super
Speaker 1: Bowl matchups. Yeah, let's say this was the NFC Championship matchup.
Speaker 2: Mark Gosh, I have no idea, I mean what the matchup.
Speaker 1: Would be because who's number three in the NFC? Now?
Speaker 1: Is it the Here are your choices, the Vikings, the Packers?
Speaker 1: Is there a third choice?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm right there with you. I also don't know
Speaker 2: if I remember hearing Gil Alexander this high on the Eagles.
Speaker 1: Because after you see it time after time, who.
Speaker 2: Is number three? I'll go Green Bay? But oh boy,
Speaker 2: is that a that's a light answer. Are Oh well,
Speaker 2: let's do one more squeeze man. Sunday Night Niners, It Bills, Niners,
Speaker 2: it Bills.
Speaker 1: Oh, speaking of games that before the season started, You're like,
Speaker 1: imagine this Sunday Night game come week thirteen, it's the
Speaker 1: five and six Niners who are one game out behind
Speaker 1: both the Rams and the Seahawks in the NFC West
Speaker 1: at Buffalo Buffalo nine and two Buffalo idol this week
Speaker 1: nine and two bills Brandon Allen yesterday and relief of
Speaker 1: Brock Party seventeen of twenty nine for one ninety nine.
Speaker 1: They were held. The Niners were two hundred and forty
Speaker 1: one total yards, eleven first downs, and they were minus
Speaker 1: three in turnovers. Buffalo's got to be I mean, if
Speaker 1: this is Brock Party, it's one thing. So what did
Speaker 1: we learn yesterday? The difference between Purty and Allen in
Speaker 1: the line in a game at Green Bay was three points.
Speaker 1: It's got to be more than that. Three points was
Speaker 1: not enough of.
Speaker 2: A six or something like that, four something like that
Speaker 2: and a half four four.
Speaker 1: It's got to be it should be more than that.
Speaker 1: Do we we do we know that party's playing in
Speaker 1: this game.
Speaker 2: We don't don't anything.
Speaker 1: I said, Buffalo minus seven, but that obviously depends on
Speaker 1: who's starting a quarterback for the Niner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is where we were pretty much right now.
Speaker 2: Six and a half's out there. I hammered bills five
Speaker 2: and a half Fandle Boyd opened yesterday. You know, but
Speaker 2: kind of thinking it was at least gonna move this way.
Speaker 2: At worst, I could buy off it at a better
Speaker 2: number a little bit if we get news on party.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just that year. We've said it before with
Speaker 1: the Niners. It's too many injuries. Somebody comes back, somebody
Speaker 1: else gets hurt, and then once you lose your quarterback,
Speaker 1: at that point, it just becomes comical. McCaffrey is not
Speaker 1: all the way back. I'm not sure. You know who
Speaker 1: knows at this age will he ever be all the
Speaker 1: way back? I don't know. But there's just too many injuries,
Speaker 1: and it's just that year. It's a loss. It feels
Speaker 1: like a lost season for sure. So much hope for
Speaker 1: what was supposed to be still in the window for
Speaker 1: the Niners coming back. One more game to get to.
Speaker 1: We'll wrap it up right here on a numbers game.
Speaker 1: We have one more game to get to. I believe
Speaker 1: we do.
Speaker 2: Monday Night football, the Browns at the Broncos.
Speaker 1: Brown's coming off the extra rest there win over the
Speaker 1: Steelers in the snow on Thursday football. They are three
Speaker 1: and eight. Remember they were one of ten on third down,
Speaker 1: four four on fourth. They were MIAs two in turnovers.
Speaker 1: They became the first team, according to Optics DATS in
Speaker 1: NFL history, to commit three plus turnovers, have eight plus penalties,
Speaker 1: convert no more than one third down, have under twenty
Speaker 1: five minute time of possession, blow a twelve plus point
Speaker 1: fourth quarter lead, and yet still win the game. That's
Speaker 1: what they did on Thursday. Total anomaly jamis eighteen of
Speaker 1: twenty seven for two nineteen. And then at Denver, Denver,
Speaker 1: we talked about they beat the Raiders and then they
Speaker 1: cover against the Raiders because Desmond Rider took a sack
Speaker 1: at the sixteen seconds left on a play run with
Speaker 1: sixteen seconds left from the doorstep and Ridard took a
Speaker 1: sack and that was it. That was the last play
Speaker 1: run and so Broncos get the money as well. Bo
Speaker 1: Nicks Broncos rookie touchdown record is sixteen touchdowns, sixteen touchdown
Speaker 1: passes good on him Sutton eight for ninety seven and
Speaker 1: two touchdowns. In that win, the Broncos were plus two
Speaker 1: and turnovers the Broncos are seven and five. The Broncos
Speaker 1: are in playoff position, a game and a half ahead
Speaker 1: of the Dolphins, who are their nearest competitor for that
Speaker 1: final wild card in the AFC I will say, Denver
Speaker 1: minus six.
Speaker 2: You're pretty close to just five and a half, basically
Speaker 2: everywhere five and a half, okay, and those two and
Speaker 2: a half's a lot of Most of those two and
Speaker 2: a halves are disappearing on tonight's game. So I'm gonna
Speaker 2: join you for a.
Speaker 1: Bit tonight, Gil, Can we talk about the bow Nicks
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels Rookie of the Year thing for a second?
Speaker 1: For sure? Jade and Daniels down to a short favorite
Speaker 1: now minus one fifteenish wild for Rookie of the Year
Speaker 1: and bo Nicks in the short plus money about plus
Speaker 1: one twenty for offensive Rookie the year. There were showed
Speaker 1: minus one thirty five plus one ten is what we're
Speaker 1: showing on the graphics, so it is super close. Now
Speaker 1: with what is that six games left in the in
Speaker 1: the regular season? Do I have that right? No? Yes,
Speaker 1: six games left in the regular season for both of
Speaker 1: the players. So the question becomes now and by the way,
Speaker 1: it's a two headed monster because Brock Bowers, who's in third,
Speaker 1: is twenty five to one. So Jayden Daniels got out
Speaker 1: to this great start and now has and let me
Speaker 1: just say this as a Washington guy who's watched every
Speaker 1: one of his snaps since that injury. He has not
Speaker 1: been the same player since the rib injury. He doesn't
Speaker 1: run nearly as a willingly, But then he did a
Speaker 1: little bit more last night, Right, he did a little bit.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm like. I'm confused by it.
Speaker 1: Because, I mean, his stats are still great because that
Speaker 1: McLaurin play was eighty six yards right, by the way,
Speaker 1: did we talk about that? Terry mccorns. Jaydan Daniels has
Speaker 1: still been awesome. Don't get me wrong, He's still and
Speaker 1: he did run yesterday, but he's not been the player
Speaker 1: that he was bow Knicks. And I will say this
Speaker 1: again because when you're wrong, you're wrong. Sean Payton has
Speaker 1: coached this kid up and he in season bo Nicks
Speaker 1: was terrible early in the year, and now he looks
Speaker 1: better and better every week. So the question becomes, with
Speaker 1: six games left, who your bet be on between these two?
Speaker 1: If you were forced to make one.
Speaker 2: Jane Daniels still me too.
Speaker 1: Just a little bit?
Speaker 2: Could can he get caught?
Speaker 1: Though?
Speaker 2: I think the I mean I think the odds movement
Speaker 2: is pretty spot on reflective.
Speaker 1: Will this come down to fifty voters? Who will determine
Speaker 1: one team got in the playoffs and the other didn't.
Speaker 2: So that when you just asked me that question, is
Speaker 2: the biggest thing that comes to mind right away, right
Speaker 2: it's it's which who gets into the playoffs? And that
Speaker 2: absolutely could be the design.
Speaker 1: Both could both could not, right, Broncos with a one
Speaker 1: and a half game lead in the AFC Wildcard picture,
Speaker 1: Washington with a half game lead in the NFC wildcard picture. Currently, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. With Washington, like you have Tennessee
Speaker 1: this week, you just lost a Dallas at home. You
Speaker 1: absolutely have to beat Tennessee like it's a roverbial must
Speaker 1: win at this point.
Speaker 2: And almost I guess if both miss. If both miss,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go with it's more likely that Nicks wins
Speaker 2: it because right then, though the Washington collapse would be
Speaker 2: a bigger deal, we'd be talking about it far more
Speaker 2: just the second half of the season stuff. Again, I I.
Speaker 1: Don't know will some voters look at this as Okay, well,
Speaker 1: they're both unbelievable. Jaden was the number two pick in
Speaker 1: the draft. Bo Nicks, everybody felt was completely overdrafted at twelve,
Speaker 1: So there's that in bo Nix's favor. On the other hand,
Speaker 1: you could also look at it as well. Bo Knicks
Speaker 1: has this supposed offensive genius people think in Sean Payton,
Speaker 1: whereas Jayden Daniels got the Cliff Kingsbury swoon happening, and
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a head coach like in offensive minded
Speaker 1: head coach, He's got Dan Quinn.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: There's just a lot of things that in the mix
Speaker 1: right now at this moment, it's very coin flippy. But
Speaker 1: what's your point that you think he's gonna be cut
Speaker 1: some slack, because no, My point is like every voter
Speaker 1: can have their own way of thinking, right right, One
Speaker 1: person could be like, oh my god, Bo Nicks, everybody
Speaker 1: thought he was overdrafted. You know, Jadon Daniels, everybody knew
Speaker 1: he should be the number two picks. So what bo
Speaker 1: Nix is doing is that much more incredible? Or you say, well,
Speaker 1: Bo Nicks has Sean Payton as his guru, Jadan Daniels
Speaker 1: has Cliff Kingsbury.
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating conversation.
Speaker 1: Sure you can rationalize in all kinds of ways, is
Speaker 1: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: The passing stats are so similar right now too, Like
Speaker 2: That's why I was just pulling up, like they are
Speaker 2: so close. You're talking about twenty six thirteen yardage for
Speaker 2: Jayden Daniels, twelve touchdowns, five interceptions. Bo Nicks twenty five
Speaker 2: forty eight with sixteen touchdowns, six interceptions, So four more touchdowns,
Speaker 2: one more pick.
Speaker 1: Now there's going to be a voter. There's fifty of them, right,
Speaker 1: then one voter may say, yeah, but what Jaden Daniels
Speaker 1: has done to change around the culture of a franchise
Speaker 1: from just being a prison lifetime sentence, you know, under
Speaker 1: Daniel Snyder to this glory and by glory, I put
Speaker 1: it in quotes because I know it. They're only seven
Speaker 1: and five and they haven't done anything, so it's gonna
Speaker 1: be fascinating. And I do agree with what the number is, Like,
Speaker 1: I get it. The bow Knicks conversation is absolutely thegit.
Speaker 1: They deserve credit for it. Man.
Speaker 2: I just I think if Commanders end up missing the playoff,
Speaker 2: I think he's going to be punished and almost probably
Speaker 2: to an unfair levels. They miss after the start that.
Speaker 1: They had, but the Broncos won't be Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. The schedules are Washington's might be a scosh
Speaker 1: easier than Denver's.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's a I think it's a pretty interesting
Speaker 1: discussion all of these awards. Coach of the Year is
Speaker 1: the most jumbled. I have no idea who Coach of
Speaker 1: the Year is. Who was that Drew was on and
Speaker 1: he was like giving seven candidates. It's definitely down to
Speaker 1: these seven guys.
Speaker 2: It was me like the day before, right, I was
Speaker 2: like ninety five percent sure he'll be one of these,
Speaker 2: like six dudes.
Speaker 1: We just we talked about. You know, Dan Campbell, by
Speaker 1: the way, plus one sixty is your short shot. Just
Speaker 1: to give you some thoroughness to that, Kevin O'Connell plus
Speaker 1: three fifty, Tomlins four to one, Jim Harbaugh plus four
Speaker 1: to fifty, Peyton, the aforementioned, Sean Payton six to one,
Speaker 1: and Jonathan Gannon and Dan Quinn who should get some
Speaker 1: consideration ten to one and fourteen to one. I mean
Speaker 1: that's what seven dudes. If you had to bet this,
Speaker 1: I mean I'll throw it right back for me. Yeah.
Speaker 2: If I'm forcing you to bet this right now, what do.
Speaker 1: You bet it right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Tomlin, he says sheepishly. But I think the gauntlet is
Speaker 1: gonna change that. I think the Gauntlet's gonna do this.
Speaker 1: Steeler's gonna lose a lot of football games.
Speaker 2: Eis too right now it's Tomlin or Horbad though, I guess.
Speaker 1: But if the Lions go fifteen and one, excuse me,
Speaker 1: sixteen in one, let's say it's not Dan Campbell. The
Speaker 1: same applies to Andy Reid. If the Chiefs go sixteen
Speaker 1: and one, you can't give Andy Reid this.
Speaker 2: I'm actually, why is he getting longer again? I might
Speaker 2: jump in on him. Twenty to one's out there now
Speaker 2: in him?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he has Patrick Mahomes. That's why his record
Speaker 1: has to be gaudy.
Speaker 2: I know that's what That's what it is. Gaudy.
Speaker 1: I'm saying it's gaudy. That's what I'm saying. If they
Speaker 1: go sixteen and one, you can't give it to him.
Speaker 2: Come on, I might bet that today. I did not
Speaker 2: realize we had got that much longer on Andy Reid.
Speaker 1: That was the point of that whole segment to get
Speaker 1: you to bet something. Thank you. It will good work,
Speaker 1: all right.
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