Speaker 1: This. He's Talking Cowboys screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: World headquarters at the Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola,
Speaker 1: Brian Brothers, Rob Phillips, and Taylor Stern. Hey, everybody, welcome
Speaker 1: to Talking Cowboys outside today. Everybody's clapping right, let's go
Speaker 1: at the grand opening of the entertainment. How we got
Speaker 1: these people led up here at the Star in Frisco.
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips here on stage right outside Ford Center at
Speaker 1: the Star, joined as always by Mickey Spagnola, Brian broad Us,
Speaker 1: and a special alumnus of Talking cow Boys, Nate Newton.
Speaker 1: Getting everybody fired up out. I'm excited, man, welcome back. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: right as you one here the last time I left
Speaker 1: for good to see you too. Yeah, I appreciate that, Nate.
Speaker 1: Always good to be around you. I know a lot
Speaker 1: of good football knowledge in that big brain of years
Speaker 1: and always be a big hit. Is always good to
Speaker 1: be outside to this kind of training camp. Vibe to
Speaker 1: it right solutely. Yeah. We're on Cowboys Way. We're right
Speaker 1: across the street from City Works and Kane Rosso, So
Speaker 1: come on out and join us. We're gonna be here
Speaker 1: for an hour and after that, we got more show
Speaker 1: We got draft shows right yeah, yeah, We've got several
Speaker 1: more shows left in the day. And hey, this is
Speaker 1: a three day deal out here. Yeah. Brand opening ceremony,
Speaker 1: Nate live entertainment, special appearances, dining in, shopping specials, notable
Speaker 1: prizes for the public. Oh you wrote that down so
Speaker 1: you wouldn't miss a bee. I'm prepared, man, you know that,
Speaker 1: and including Easter Sunday. Wow, So will we be back tomorrow?
Speaker 1: Are you guys to be back tomorrow? Now? This is us.
Speaker 1: We're just doing a day of shows today. Fly. Everybody
Speaker 1: better pay attention. This is one time, only one shot
Speaker 1: right here, So just down the way here, Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: just had a special ribbon cutting ceremony to kick this off.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Star has been around for a couple
Speaker 1: of years now, but now all of the entertainment district
Speaker 1: is ready to go. So many different shops, dining options, retail,
Speaker 1: outstanding may or Fish Road. Jeff Channey was out there
Speaker 1: as well, so kicking things off, We're here to provide
Speaker 1: a little extra entertainment for you and talk a little cowboys.
Speaker 1: We're here for the next hour. And man, it's been
Speaker 1: a while or a lot has happened in the last week.
Speaker 1: It seems like it's been forever since we've gotten together
Speaker 1: and talked. It has been together. Free agency talk. We
Speaker 1: can get into that. We can get into some draft
Speaker 1: talk because we do have Bryan broad Us here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's start with free agency and what the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: done really in the last five six days. Added six
Speaker 1: new players on this roster, said goodbye to a couple
Speaker 1: of guys, not Dez Bryant. He is still on the roster.
Speaker 1: By the way, Wow, shots, how you take shot shots?
Speaker 1: That's a lot of speculations. The question hasn't gone away. Okay,
Speaker 1: it will not go away until something is resolved one
Speaker 1: way or another. The Cowboys are expected to meet with
Speaker 1: him at some point. We'll see. But let's talk about
Speaker 1: what they've done in free agency. Guys, thoughts on the
Speaker 1: five signings they've had that they've also traded for a
Speaker 1: new fullback as well. Nate added a couple offensive lines.
Speaker 1: The Marcus Martin Cameron Fleming, what do you think about him?
Speaker 1: What I think is I think they come h Well,
Speaker 1: one guy came from Cleveland, so U well, I don't
Speaker 1: know what to think about him. But the other guy
Speaker 1: that report on him. Yeah, yeah, I'm Marcus Martin, the
Speaker 1: guy from New England. He's uh, he's the guy that
Speaker 1: been in the system, knows a lot about adjusting, doing games,
Speaker 1: adjusting from week to week. That's what the New England
Speaker 1: Patriots does. Well, that's what I hope the Cowboys. My
Speaker 1: game is not about free agency, fellas. My thing is
Speaker 1: about the new coaches that they've brought in and the
Speaker 1: offensive line coach. I want to know he's been with
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati being what thirty Paul Alexander and they said,
Speaker 1: Coach Alexander have seen every scheme, every defensive front, every
Speaker 1: secondary coverage, every linebacker twist and turn and blitz. I
Speaker 1: want to see what we do with this officive line
Speaker 1: since we got a new offensive line coach here, what
Speaker 1: what would we do to make adjustments during games if
Speaker 1: we're missing the player And I'm talking about not only
Speaker 1: a running back, but I'm talking about another offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: We got three guys that are all pros, and now
Speaker 1: we got Collins, who's at the right tacker. We don't
Speaker 1: know how he's gonna be situated in training camp. We
Speaker 1: got him at right tacker. I want to know if
Speaker 1: we what we would do at the left guard, and
Speaker 1: what would we do once a guy's missing an officive line?
Speaker 1: That's my big issue. What would have So in your
Speaker 1: ideal world, what would you want to happen? Well, I
Speaker 1: would like for the scheme to be more efficient and
Speaker 1: ready to a doubt because last year we lost Tyrone
Speaker 1: Crawford at left tackle. Seemed like we just want to
Speaker 1: rate Tyron Smith. Tyron Smith. We just went to we
Speaker 1: went to raid. We didn't know what was going on.
Speaker 1: We had like we was lost. That shouldn't have happened
Speaker 1: to us. These teams don't have that type of offensive
Speaker 1: line that we have. We lose one guy and we
Speaker 1: still have two all pros left. We need to say
Speaker 1: hi to Hell. Hey, what's about Hell? What's going on? Yeah? Hey?
Speaker 1: By the way, we do have a live mic out here, right, yeah? Yea.
Speaker 1: If anybody's got any questions, I'm coming to you ready,
Speaker 1: I'm going fellas, Hey, I'm worried about the coaches, not
Speaker 1: the players, thank you. So, what I was going to
Speaker 1: ask Nate from an ideal standpoint, what would you want
Speaker 1: to happen on with personnel on that offensive line? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think that they're in a point right now where
Speaker 1: they've talked about potentially moving Collins. You know, we we
Speaker 1: with Martin. You know, he's a guy to me. He
Speaker 1: might have played at Cleveland, he was at San Francisco.
Speaker 1: The Browns were a team that didn't have they had
Speaker 1: like the Cowboys, they had a lot of value at
Speaker 1: their guards. They went out and got some money. So
Speaker 1: Martin was a guy that wasn't inactive, was inactive really
Speaker 1: every game, so he had a hard time getting on
Speaker 1: the phild. He's twenty five years old. I went back
Speaker 1: and watched him and I kind of compare him guys
Speaker 1: to the early Ron Leary type of a body, you know,
Speaker 1: the big, boxy kind of square player. Maybe a little
Speaker 1: bit trouble getting second level blocks and stuff like that,
Speaker 1: but the power that he played with the ability to
Speaker 1: work with the tackles, you know, those kinds of things
Speaker 1: I think are really inviting because he does have those
Speaker 1: kinds of traits and he's a guy I think that's
Speaker 1: got potential to be a starter at left guard. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what the Cowboys were thinking. They're they're
Speaker 1: trying to Mickey we went under all our shows. Was
Speaker 1: always talking about upgrade, the guard upgrade Byron Bell, right,
Speaker 1: So that's I think what they did. Their plan was, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's go out and sign guys like Fleming. Fleming started
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl, starting the AFC Championship game. I
Speaker 1: watched him against Pittsburgh. You know, he's made some good
Speaker 1: starts against good teams and held up, you know, no
Speaker 1: worse for wear. So I feel like they they've got that,
Speaker 1: that that little bit of that that better depth. If
Speaker 1: they if they say, Okay, we're gonna move college, which
Speaker 1: Mickey and Drop I wouldn't do personally, I think that
Speaker 1: I feel like that, you know, he's You've invested the year,
Speaker 1: the growing pains early. By the end of the year, though,
Speaker 1: he was one of your better offensive linemen, and I
Speaker 1: think that's a I think that's a credit to him,
Speaker 1: and I'd hate to see them take that away, much
Speaker 1: like what we saw happen with Chaz Greene having to
Speaker 1: play guard and talking about Byron Jones too. It's safety spot,
Speaker 1: you know, can you keep him at one spot and
Speaker 1: get him developed at a spot that's best for him,
Speaker 1: corner or safety. It looks like Nate is shagged question
Speaker 1: out there with the masses out here at the start. Hey, fellas, Yes,
Speaker 1: I got Trevor from Saginaw Man. All right. He has
Speaker 1: the question, um, so if Darwin James is gone, if
Speaker 1: he's the first one gone instead of Minka, do you
Speaker 1: think that that's would trade up for Minka the same
Speaker 1: way they went with James and that kind of ten
Speaker 1: to thirteen area. Yeah, that's that's it. That's a very
Speaker 1: good question, sir, Really really is you know Mica Fitzpatrick
Speaker 1: from Alabama. They went in there and they have worked
Speaker 1: out those kids, and you know, he was a guy
Speaker 1: that they have some familiarity with. I think that where
Speaker 1: you have to wonder, Okay, is this guy a corner
Speaker 1: or is he a safety? You know, and some people
Speaker 1: have kind of It's a little bit like Jalen Ramsey
Speaker 1: was a couple of years ago during the Zeke draft,
Speaker 1: where all of sudden people said, okay, he's a safety,
Speaker 1: but Jacksonville plays mc corner. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: would necessarily go up to draft Mika. I think that
Speaker 1: they because maybe the little bit of the thought of
Speaker 1: what does he play. I'm interested to find out if
Speaker 1: they in fact he's a thirty visit. But even they
Speaker 1: might think he's out of there because he was always
Speaker 1: a guy. It was a top five consideration until all
Speaker 1: the quarterback shuffling went up, so he might be an
Speaker 1: odd guy out him Nelson, So what do you think?
Speaker 1: What are you thinking? Is I haven't listed as a corner. Okay,
Speaker 1: I haven't listed as a corner, and I always thought yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I will say you look at safety and that's a
Speaker 1: spot that you could assuming Byron Jones as a cornerback. Again, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a spot you look at and say, Okay, that
Speaker 1: could be a draft target for you. Talk to Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones at the owner's meetings in Florida this week. He
Speaker 1: did say there is a school of thought when you
Speaker 1: look at what they've done in free agency, maybe you
Speaker 1: need to go get a free safety who can cover.
Speaker 1: But they haven't found anybody on the market that fits
Speaker 1: what they're looking for scheme wise. Before we go back
Speaker 1: out to Nate, I will say this though, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: you look at what Kenny Baccaro has done, right, and
Speaker 1: then you look at Tyrn Matthew more down players play
Speaker 1: slot that cover stuff good. But maybe they're looking for
Speaker 1: a guy that's more of a true free Yes, you know,
Speaker 1: and that's I think that's where you know, that's why
Speaker 1: you get Earl Thomas rumors because you have that he
Speaker 1: has that ability to play as a true free sat.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go back to Nate and you know what,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a little change of face here. We
Speaker 1: gotta gotta to settle the dance problem. We got Chris
Speaker 1: and Michael from Holland Village. All right, thanks guys. I
Speaker 1: know you're tired of hearing questions about the Dak situation,
Speaker 1: but I have a question and maybe a suggestion. So obviously,
Speaker 1: you got the team not wanting to spend so much
Speaker 1: money on him, and you got him not wanting to
Speaker 1: take a pay cut. Is there a win win situation
Speaker 1: where they renegotiate a performance based or incentive based contract
Speaker 1: where he can claim victory and say, yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: come out and show everybody I'm gonna make more money,
Speaker 1: but the team is protected in case he doesn't. Good question.
Speaker 1: I would imagine that's the idea if you think about
Speaker 1: what the Cowboys did with Brandon Carr when they reduced
Speaker 1: his base salary that last year. They basically cut it
Speaker 1: in half, but guaranteed him not only money for that year,
Speaker 1: they guaranteed him money the next year that ended up
Speaker 1: counting against the salary cap last year. So there are
Speaker 1: ways to do that and put some performance bonuses in there.
Speaker 1: And uh, what you don't want to do is embarrass
Speaker 1: the guy, right, and you don't want to embarrass him
Speaker 1: in the locker room. And I think that's gotta be
Speaker 1: their goal if they're gonna mess with that with that contract.
Speaker 1: So it sounds like tomorrow next week, maybe before the draft,
Speaker 1: although Steve Stephen Jones said over there in the Lincoln
Speaker 1: Um showcase room that they have really no timetable on it.
Speaker 1: It's not like we gotta do something before the draft. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see how that goes. Yeah, Diz was in this
Speaker 1: morning working out. So his plan and focus is to
Speaker 1: try and get prepared. But they're gonna protect themselves and
Speaker 1: they're gonna they're gonna do right by Diz too. It's
Speaker 1: a very good question. Jerry was just asked again. He
Speaker 1: was asked two days ago by US in Florida. Have
Speaker 1: you talked to No, they have not had to sit
Speaker 1: down yet. He got asked again. Now he's back from Florida.
Speaker 1: He said he kind of had a little fun with
Speaker 1: the media, didn't he make? Yes? He did? So, where
Speaker 1: were you in Florida? Rob I was in by the way,
Speaker 1: he had a little fun by saying what Steven or Jerry? Jerry?
Speaker 1: He said, I've told I told des not to come
Speaker 1: in here because I want the questions to keep going.
Speaker 1: I wanted the cowboys to stay in the news, which
Speaker 1: is great and you know it's good press, right, you
Speaker 1: know what, there's a sliver of truth in that by
Speaker 1: why not? Why not? This was this is the new
Speaker 1: Romo thing? Right? It was all about Romo last year?
Speaker 1: What are they gonna do with Tony? Same thing with
Speaker 1: Dez Brian. You and I have gone back and forth
Speaker 1: on this, like I don't have a great feeling about
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen here. I think there's if you if
Speaker 1: you see some of the tea lea read some of
Speaker 1: the tea leaves from Jerry this week, it's like there's
Speaker 1: there's a chance, depending on what they work out with him,
Speaker 1: that he, you know, he'd be back. He doesn't want
Speaker 1: to speculate that he won't be back. But Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: has talked about we've got a business decision to make so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean talking about contract numbers and all that is
Speaker 1: the right path, But what what's the solution? I don't
Speaker 1: think anybody knows you. So here is the new term
Speaker 1: that Jerry Cone today deliberate planned confusion. And that's what
Speaker 1: you got going right now, which is what means what?
Speaker 1: Which means that he's deliberately not telling you anything to
Speaker 1: confuse the situation. But Nate Newton will settle this situation.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna settle it, man. But I have a
Speaker 1: guy named Robert who I want to call it Thomas
Speaker 1: from from planet. He has a question about all these receivers.
Speaker 1: So how do you think it's gonna settle out? With
Speaker 1: this huge roster of wide receivers? There's too many of them.
Speaker 1: Where do you start? Yeah, this is that's a great question,
Speaker 1: because I'll tell you why. It's you know, you have
Speaker 1: ninety men on the roster, so they don't have to
Speaker 1: do anything quickly. I mean they could even draft and
Speaker 1: then think about how they want to cut down things
Speaker 1: once they get going. But I don't think they're in
Speaker 1: any hurry right now to do anything as far as
Speaker 1: roster reduction, and with the with the soon to be
Speaker 1: ninety man rosters. They could keep this thing as long
Speaker 1: as they want. But the way I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: shake out, I think they're gonna have their meeting with Dez.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna figure things out with him. He's
Speaker 1: gonna get on board, and then we'll see how that
Speaker 1: goes from there. But the other receivers, I think the
Speaker 1: most important thing. The thing that kind of bothers me
Speaker 1: a little bit, that gives me a little pause, is
Speaker 1: that they didn't have this discussion with him earlier. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if they didn't say, listen, does this is what we
Speaker 1: need to do? Are you with us on this? Are
Speaker 1: you with us on that? And maybe you couldn't get
Speaker 1: all the parties together. But Jerry did mention that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the timing has been an issue. I just wish they
Speaker 1: would have been able to meet with him early and say, listen,
Speaker 1: this is what we want to do and then you
Speaker 1: can make your plan about having to sign guys and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. But I don't. I just don't feel
Speaker 1: like they're any real hurry right now to reduce the
Speaker 1: roster at this moment. So if everybody had been paying
Speaker 1: attention to Jason Garrett at the owner's meeting. The word
Speaker 1: he kept using to answer the gentleman's question about too
Speaker 1: many people at wide receiver was competition. Yeah, those guys
Speaker 1: will decide for you, because I don't think there's any
Speaker 1: cut and dried guy out there that just says, Okay,
Speaker 1: I got this spot. Don't don't, don't come around me, right,
Speaker 1: I'm a starter. Right. And and the other thing that
Speaker 1: will settle your question is injuries. Right. Don't think you're
Speaker 1: so deep until you get through training camp, because somehow,
Speaker 1: some way, every time you think of the position is
Speaker 1: too deep, two guys get hurt, and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden you're looking around going huh, I ain't got enough
Speaker 1: wide receivers for practice. We also found out this week
Speaker 1: to speaking of that, Terrence Williams head surgery in the
Speaker 1: offseason for a fractured foot, and it could cost him
Speaker 1: some of his offseason work. So you're looking at depth
Speaker 1: editions there with the signings of Alan Hearns and Deante Thompson.
Speaker 1: So hey, take a stab at which method Carpel Meta
Speaker 1: Tarsl was busted. I'll just say fourth. Oh, it's the fifth.
Speaker 1: It's always always the fifth, taking the fifth. All right,
Speaker 1: we got more quick question. Then we go to break.
Speaker 1: Jack is speaking from Jack from Michigan. He's got a question.
Speaker 1: Do you think DVD he's gonna have any big impact
Speaker 1: this year? David Irvin? Do you think you have an
Speaker 1: impact this year? David Irvy? Absolutely, he better. Yeah, because
Speaker 1: they need him to have an impact at that three
Speaker 1: technique on the defensive line. And he had an impact
Speaker 1: in the eight games he played last year, So if
Speaker 1: he can double up for an entire season, boy, he'll
Speaker 1: be a pro bowler. Yeah. They need they need him
Speaker 1: to play well, they really really do, especially with some
Speaker 1: of the things that are going on inside. I also
Speaker 1: feel like they'll check out the draft and we get
Speaker 1: to that that maybe you'll have a guy get added
Speaker 1: that could be an undertack or a three technique playing
Speaker 1: behind him or with him or in a rotation because
Speaker 1: they might only have him for one year and then
Speaker 1: they need to think about that spot again going forward, Nate,
Speaker 1: are these people visiting from Michigan? Yes, y'all visit. Come on,
Speaker 1: this is the mom and what's your name now? Debbie?
Speaker 1: Very welcome, Debbie. I thought that was going to ask
Speaker 1: about Chomp. Somebody asked about David Man oh, they got
Speaker 1: just got good. Are you going on to San Antonio?
Speaker 1: We're thinking about it on Monday, all right, So if
Speaker 1: they win, huh, if Sister Jean, if they can beat
Speaker 1: Sister Jeane, we'll see what We'll see what happens. All right,
Speaker 1: Let's take our first break, guys. When come back, we
Speaker 1: can talk more about the free agent editions we touched
Speaker 1: on wide receiver. They added a new linebacker as well,
Speaker 1: and Brian went to some pro days too, so let's
Speaker 1: get into that when we come back next on Talking Cowboys.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Talking Cowboys out here at the Star
Speaker 1: in Frisco. It's the grand opening of the entertainment district
Speaker 1: out here at the Star. We've got Nate Newton out
Speaker 1: on the street, man on the street getting questions from fans.
Speaker 1: What you got? Hey, Hey, I just wanted to point
Speaker 1: out to you there are people behind us too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I want him to join us. I got map
Speaker 1: from saging on spotting over here. And now he's gonna
Speaker 1: ask you about a guy in the draft, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: who is this guy? All right? I called Trevor over
Speaker 1: but I said, you know, we got one better. We
Speaker 1: got broddies. Yeah, so here we go, Matt stunt me here.
Speaker 1: Do you think that Jesse Bates would trade up? I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I forgot the question about Jesse Bates, the safety from
Speaker 1: Wake Forest. Would you trade up for him? Yeah, don't worry,
Speaker 1: he got it. We got it. Wait o, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: tell you Jesse Bates and it's a it's a good
Speaker 1: quite good name too, from Wake Forest to safety. He's
Speaker 1: one of the true free safeties in this draft. So probably,
Speaker 1: you know, more like a probably a second round guy.
Speaker 1: Guy you would probably hit at fifty it you might
Speaker 1: have to go. Maybe he could go a little bit
Speaker 1: behind that, but I didn't feel like he was a
Speaker 1: first round safety. The guy I really liked, I think
Speaker 1: would be a that I would personally like at fifty
Speaker 1: is Galden from Tennessee. He plays the slot and he
Speaker 1: could also, like you know, he tackles very well. He
Speaker 1: was wound to tend to see his better players in
Speaker 1: the secondary. But Bates is a really good player. Because
Speaker 1: you're absolute right, he's a true free safety. When you
Speaker 1: say himple played deep, he could play with range, he
Speaker 1: could come downhill, he can cover. It's a really good
Speaker 1: name to keep an eye on. Thanks for the question,
Speaker 1: and let's let's touch on some drafts here. Brian I
Speaker 1: answers Mickey's questions from earlier. I was in Orlando for
Speaker 1: the owners meetings. Stayed across the street from SeaWorld, by
Speaker 1: the way, with place the Ritz is kind of fancy. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: these guys at the Ritz. I worked at the Ritz.
Speaker 1: I didn't exactly have a room there, Okay I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't spring for the for the fee, but it
Speaker 1: was a great time. Learned some good stuff. I kind
Speaker 1: of wish I could switch places with Brian because he
Speaker 1: was down in my home away from home college station.
Speaker 1: And then I stepped up to that place in Austin
Speaker 1: too where they played football too and went to some
Speaker 1: pro days. So what are your thoughts on what you
Speaker 1: saw out there? Christian kirk Malik Jefferson, Yeah, those guys, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what though, and both both schools were
Speaker 1: more than kind to us going through there. We were
Speaker 1: actually working on a little bit of a documentary, a
Speaker 1: mini document if you want to say, kind of a
Speaker 1: day in the life of a scout, and so we
Speaker 1: were following Walter Julife, longtime national scout here with the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: and then Sam Garza who's got that area, and they were,
Speaker 1: you know, Will McClay and Stephen Jones were kind enough
Speaker 1: to let us talk to them and shadow them a
Speaker 1: little bit and do some things. So it was really
Speaker 1: cool that way. But from what I saw though, a
Speaker 1: lot of defensive players at the University of Texas that potentials.
Speaker 1: You know you talked about Jefferson, Elliott, the safety is
Speaker 1: a possibility there. Poonafford, I think was the one, and
Speaker 1: Mickey got a little dose of poona Afford this morning,
Speaker 1: a big dose when we were doing the Blitz. When
Speaker 1: we're filming the Blitz, So yeah, it's if you're if
Speaker 1: you know, most of those guys are probably second day
Speaker 1: type of players. The one first round guy they have
Speaker 1: is Connor Williams, the big tackle and you know from
Speaker 1: Coppell right from Kapell, a local kid, and the New
Speaker 1: Orleans Saints worked him out. And you know, the Saints
Speaker 1: lost their starting right tackle to retirement this year, so
Speaker 1: maybe they're thinking of hitting it again this year like
Speaker 1: they did last with Ramchek, who played very well for them.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the the it was really impressive to be
Speaker 1: a part of that. Christian Kirk, Yeah, I learned about
Speaker 1: Christian Kirk that he was going to get a workout
Speaker 1: from the Cowboys from Kyle Valaro was going to go
Speaker 1: to College Station yesterday and after we went through the
Speaker 1: day before, he was going to go through and put
Speaker 1: him through a little bit more extensive workout. People are
Speaker 1: looking at him as more of an potentially a slot player,
Speaker 1: but you got to determine if he could play on
Speaker 1: the outside. I think that's what Kyle Valaro is gonna do.
Speaker 1: Go down there jam him up a little bit, try
Speaker 1: and make him run some routes where he has to
Speaker 1: fight through suppress. He's a little bit shorter guy. I
Speaker 1: like to describe him in the body type of what
Speaker 1: Steve Smith looks like. You have' you ever seen Steve
Speaker 1: Smith kind of the rocked up compact compact but but
Speaker 1: but it's got really good quickness, catches the at ball well,
Speaker 1: and there's explosive. He's also a punt returner. Do we
Speaker 1: need any it help because it looks like lunch is over.
Speaker 1: I think we're good. We're good good by the way.
Speaker 1: So my question is do you think do you think
Speaker 1: he can play outside? You know, I tell you what, though,
Speaker 1: I have my doubts about that. Okay, I really really do.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have to be. People are gonna
Speaker 1: try and put him outside. And Steve Smith was just
Speaker 1: rare the way that he was able to get outside
Speaker 1: like that. I just don't see when you watch him play.
Speaker 1: He's got a slot body, but he doesn't have slot
Speaker 1: quickness like when you watch Cole Beasley play. You know,
Speaker 1: Beasley's that able to get in and out of routes.
Speaker 1: The quickness and the Kirk it's hard for him to
Speaker 1: get started. But once he gets going, then you then
Speaker 1: you've got that ability or he's got that ability to
Speaker 1: make So I think it's gonna be difficult for him.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have to find ways to do
Speaker 1: his damage inside. And you know, I don't know if
Speaker 1: somebody would take that in the first round. You watched him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: can he play outside because he's got what they call
Speaker 1: long speed, right. Yeah, Like Bryan said, once he gets going,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't discount him being able to do anything in
Speaker 1: this league. In addition to kick return, he did that,
Speaker 1: did that very well. He's just an impressive guy. And
Speaker 1: he's a different type of receiver than Larry Fitzgerald. I
Speaker 1: not I'm not making a direct comparison, but they talked
Speaker 1: about Fitzgerald coming out of college. He didn't have elite
Speaker 1: speed and all that kind of stuff, but he just
Speaker 1: knew how to get open, he knew how to he
Speaker 1: knew how to make plays. And I think Kirk's gonna
Speaker 1: have a ten year career in this league and be
Speaker 1: and help a team. There's been a lot of games. Absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see where he goes. By the way, Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: was in Cowboys staff at SMU today. Cortland's Sutton, another
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Yeah, they're taking a look at and Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett at Alabama's second pro day yesterday. So it's that
Speaker 1: time of year where they're taking a look. And that's
Speaker 1: not unlike Ohio State a couple of years ago, where look,
Speaker 1: Bama's got twenty prospects every year, So you might as
Speaker 1: well just take a look at everybody while you're down there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's probably what they did. That's exactly what they
Speaker 1: look at. Xanne Medina, team player, passing out water. She's
Speaker 1: the best. All right, let's go back to Nate. We
Speaker 1: have we have kindred from McKinney. All right, that's tired
Speaker 1: to say. And he has a question about our head coach.
Speaker 1: If Jason gard wins ten games or less, does he
Speaker 1: come back next year? Is it a playoff season? Playoffs?
Speaker 1: He gets in the playoffs. Oh, he's good, he's good.
Speaker 1: He's good in the playoffs. I think you are unanimous there,
Speaker 1: I think so, Yeah, I agree to didn't make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: He didn't make the playoffs then, and we may then
Speaker 1: when we might be talking about somebody else. But you know,
Speaker 1: that's the whole thing. I think Jason understand He comes
Speaker 1: from a family where his dad was a coach. His
Speaker 1: dad had been on STAPs where they got let go.
Speaker 1: You know, this is I believe his eighth season is
Speaker 1: the head coach of the Cowboys. As the head coach,
Speaker 1: so yeah, he understands the nature of the beast. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of expectations with the fans, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of expectations in that building across from us over here
Speaker 1: with the owner and his family as well. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that he needs to find a way to
Speaker 1: win games and getting the playoffs and hopefully win some
Speaker 1: playoff games. If not, then really all bets are off. So, Rob,
Speaker 1: did you like the way Jerry answered the question? I
Speaker 1: guess it was yesterday on the gap between the Cowboys
Speaker 1: in Philadelphia. I understood where he was going and I
Speaker 1: thought it made a lot of sense. Do you want
Speaker 1: to repeat what he's said? Well, he said, if you're
Speaker 1: talking about the gap, if you're talking that they won
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl Philly did and the Cowboys didn't even
Speaker 1: make the playoffs, then that looks like a significant gap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they don't think it's that wide of a gap.
Speaker 1: I think they feel like they missed an opportunity to
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. They didn't handle some of the injuries
Speaker 1: they had and absences they had talking about Zeke's mansion
Speaker 1: as well as the Eagles handled their losses. There's no
Speaker 1: question about it. But I think when you're talking about
Speaker 1: the job Jason Garrett has done, let's not forget that
Speaker 1: two years ago this team won thirteen games with their
Speaker 1: quote unquote third string quarterback to start training camp, so
Speaker 1: they have him frustrated in ability to adjust and coach
Speaker 1: up and have next man up. Didn't do as well
Speaker 1: a job as a team collectively handling those those absences
Speaker 1: last year, and Philly did and give him all the
Speaker 1: credit in the world to win the Super Bowl. Very good, Nate,
Speaker 1: Hey Fellas, Yes, we got Billy from Louisville. And before
Speaker 1: he asked this question, he's not I'm not the only
Speaker 1: guy running around with something pink, you know what. But
Speaker 1: he has a question about about Daz. All right, Yes,
Speaker 1: I I just wondering what you guys thought about the
Speaker 1: chances of Daz coming back. I've heard that one a
Speaker 1: couple of times. Yeah, today, I think they're good. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do. I think that they're gonna figure out way.
Speaker 1: He's gonna sit down and talk this out. And you know,
Speaker 1: if I think Daz would, like Mickey said, all along,
Speaker 1: treat him with respect, I think that he will in
Speaker 1: turn come back. He understands the business side of this.
Speaker 1: He's been a veteran player. Now he w to be here.
Speaker 1: I think that they're they're gonna have to get through
Speaker 1: some hurdles here. I think there's obviously some people in
Speaker 1: the organization at certain parts like the maybe see move on,
Speaker 1: But the people who are making decisions, they're the ones
Speaker 1: that are gonna have to say, Okay, no, he's staying
Speaker 1: and you guys need to be quiet. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like though that there's a good chance he stays.
Speaker 1: But then again, I've gone back and forth with this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I really have. I mean, I think we've all struggled
Speaker 1: with this. Mickey's been pretty consistent about it. But I
Speaker 1: just worry a little bit about if if all of
Speaker 1: a sudden that you know, we've seen somebody, two or
Speaker 1: three people come up and say, Okay, we need to
Speaker 1: do this different, and it influences Jerry in that way,
Speaker 1: and that that's the thing that would worry me a
Speaker 1: little bit. Let me read you two quotes from Jerry
Speaker 1: this week to kind of encapsulate the death situation right now.
Speaker 1: He said, we need to talk, and I certainly have
Speaker 1: not had a thought about talking with him that did
Speaker 1: not anticipate him being with us. There you go. The
Speaker 1: other thing he said was with regard to the receivers
Speaker 1: they've added, doesn't impact his situation. He said, I like
Speaker 1: our mix. I think these two guys we signed in
Speaker 1: what we might look at at any level of the draft,
Speaker 1: plus what we might get work out with Dez gives
Speaker 1: us a good looking receiver outlook. So they are factoring
Speaker 1: him in. Yeah. Now, a conversation, though, still needs to
Speaker 1: be had. And the speculation is what do they do
Speaker 1: with his contract? He's got a twelve What does it make?
Speaker 1: A twelve point five million dollars base salary and a
Speaker 1: sixteen point five million dollars cap hit And that's a lot,
Speaker 1: and that's a lot to slide in when you look
Speaker 1: at the other receivers on this roster. So when you
Speaker 1: look at the other receivers on the roster, if he's
Speaker 1: not here, who takes his place? I've been saying that
Speaker 1: you know I've been saying that all offseason. They have
Speaker 1: to believe that Hearns would you're gonna make that bet.
Speaker 1: It's not my job to make the bet, it's my
Speaker 1: job to say it. Who I think they would think
Speaker 1: that he would be that replacement. But I do think
Speaker 1: that Hearns and Dez are very similar in their style. Now,
Speaker 1: are they would? I'd rather have Dez Bryant, Absolutely I would,
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying the style in which they play,
Speaker 1: I think is very very similar. Okay, if we look
Speaker 1: at and I did this the other day, the wide
Speaker 1: receivers under contract right now, Terrence Williams, Cole Beasley, Ryan Switzer,
Speaker 1: Noah Brown, Deonte Thompson, Alan Hearns, I'll throw Lance Lenore
Speaker 1: in there. Sure not. Death's finished the season? What six
Speaker 1: touchdown catches? Right? All those guys I just mentioned they
Speaker 1: totaled six touchdown catches. Nobody had more than two, and
Speaker 1: three of them had zero. So you feel comfortable going
Speaker 1: to battle with out Dez? No? Not not. Not on
Speaker 1: the face of it. However, I do agree with what
Speaker 1: Brian said that they might make you death. They might.
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't. I don't think it but
Speaker 1: they're making a serious bed. I think I think every
Speaker 1: offseason you have to project to some degree. I think
Speaker 1: we all would be love to have Devi's Bryant at
Speaker 1: the high level that he played at three years ago.
Speaker 1: I think we'd all love that. And we're all saying
Speaker 1: that Dez Bryant is a better player. I'm saying he's
Speaker 1: very similar to Hearns, not maybe numbers wise, but where
Speaker 1: he's similar is how he plays. And so that's where
Speaker 1: I think it's not our job to make the bet.
Speaker 1: They're making the bet. And and and again that's guy's jobs. Online.
Speaker 1: If if I was a scout, I would argue against
Speaker 1: getting rid of Dez Bryant. I would, but I but
Speaker 1: I'm not in that building. I'm not on the outside
Speaker 1: of the building anymore. And I'm thinking, okay, and watching
Speaker 1: how they've watched them try and protect themselves with certain
Speaker 1: ways of bringing players in. What do they do they
Speaker 1: lose Keith Smith. I wouldn't have necessarily lost Keith Smith, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but what they do They went out and got OLDA Wally,
Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, So what has it been for them?
Speaker 1: It's been reactionary moves. So why can't with Dez here,
Speaker 1: Alan Hearns take snaps away from Arence Williams. Oh, I
Speaker 1: think they're gonna try that. I think they're gonna try that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Bryce Butler did. Yeah, I think they're but
Speaker 1: but how many snaps at Bryce Butler play a game? Fifteen?
Speaker 1: Maybe probably got hurt. Yeah, And then see, now if
Speaker 1: you're if you're you know, you got a coach here
Speaker 1: that they actually they they love well. Derek Duley no
Speaker 1: longer here at Missouri, but you've got an offensive staff
Speaker 1: that was very happy about having Terrence Williams back because
Speaker 1: because Terrence Williams gives him a little bit as a blocker,
Speaker 1: he's kind of a he could be a player they
Speaker 1: use on the move, right, not really stuff that Alan
Speaker 1: Hearns is kind of his cup of tea. But if
Speaker 1: you you know, you want to get him involved. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I personally don't take Dez Bryan off the field. I
Speaker 1: don't think I take Cole Beasley off the field. But
Speaker 1: if you tell me, okay, Alan Hearns is going to
Speaker 1: play the Z for you, you can do it effectively.
Speaker 1: That's kind of the way they need to go. Separate
Speaker 1: from the death situation when they looked at her. I
Speaker 1: feel like they saw a guy that a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago had a fourteen hundred yards season, had ten touchdowns.
Speaker 1: He's only twenty six years old. He's had some injuries
Speaker 1: the last couple of years, but there's a lot of
Speaker 1: potential there. They like the like the person, they like
Speaker 1: the receiver, so they think they can help him. But
Speaker 1: Mickey spoke to I think it's about competition. They're creating
Speaker 1: competition on the offensive line too. We're not really sure
Speaker 1: who the starting five is gonna be there. I don't
Speaker 1: see yeah, and if you look at who the thirty
Speaker 1: visits are going to be next week, I guarantee you
Speaker 1: it's gonna be guy. There's gonna be some receivers in
Speaker 1: that mix. And so there they might this might be
Speaker 1: a whole redoing, much like they did with the defensive backslash,
Speaker 1: because they haven't made a change at wide receiver in
Speaker 1: five years. Five years? Right years? Ye Okay, Hank tight Nate,
Speaker 1: we got a question right on the other side. Let's
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Speaker 1: Cowboys Way talking some cowboys on Cowboys Way. We got
Speaker 1: Nate Newton out there, man, getting fan questions. What you
Speaker 1: got Nate, No, I got some great dudes out him. Man,
Speaker 1: these dudes came from Chicago. Yeah. Yes, we got Jackson
Speaker 1: and we got Noah. No, they got Noah and they
Speaker 1: got Jackson, and they both got Cowboy T shirts out.
Speaker 1: You give him. Give me your name again, so I
Speaker 1: got short term. Remember I give you. I'm Jackson. What's up, Jackson?
Speaker 1: What is your question? What do action do you think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys would go in the draft? What direction? What direction?
Speaker 1: I think they could go any direction in the first
Speaker 1: round except quarterback and running back. I'll tell you what, Jackson,
Speaker 1: I think this is. He's Mickey's right about keeping an
Speaker 1: open mind about things because they've worked out a lot
Speaker 1: of different guys. You're kind of at the mercy of
Speaker 1: really what the board is at nine team, because you
Speaker 1: might have eighteen first round grades and then you get
Speaker 1: the nineteen and you maybe you've lost a guy. With
Speaker 1: all the quarterbacks that are going early in this draft,
Speaker 1: you've got to hope they're gonna push some cats to you.
Speaker 1: Jerry spoke to that this way. So they're kind of looking.
Speaker 1: Maybe they've got some picks that they can move up
Speaker 1: at they see guy. I think that the positions I
Speaker 1: would watch on defense, I'd watch defensive Yeah, I'd watch
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. I'd watch linebacker, and then I would watch safety.
Speaker 1: Those I'd watch those defense. I don't know if they'd
Speaker 1: go corner, but if I had to guess, I would
Speaker 1: say linebacker would be the first one and defensive tackle
Speaker 1: will be the second one. Jackson, Chicago is a big city.
Speaker 1: What what what town you live? Iniats? Okay, see Mickey's
Speaker 1: from Chicago. I grew up at Chicago Heights, Chicago Heights,
Speaker 1: the mean streets. Okay, we got no no what's up?
Speaker 1: The real special for y'all? What do you think Man'zelle's
Speaker 1: gonna end up a good one? Now? Brian was at
Speaker 1: his workouts effort six million dollar quest. That's a smart man.
Speaker 1: Watch out for that kid growing up. Yeah, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what you know. I'll tell you what you know
Speaker 1: that Johnny manziel I was at the pro day at
Speaker 1: Texas A and M the other day and he was
Speaker 1: thrown for Christian Kirk and I will say this, physically,
Speaker 1: he looked really good physically. I mean how he wasn't
Speaker 1: you know, big or Doe looking very night that he was.
Speaker 1: He was well put the doe Doe, yeah, doe, you
Speaker 1: know Nate when I'm talking about kind of a Doe
Speaker 1: looking guy, kind of a but but he threw the
Speaker 1: ball really well. The placement of the ball like downfield,
Speaker 1: the underneath stuff that he did, the comebacks, the curls,
Speaker 1: the slants. I think he leaves three passes out of
Speaker 1: about thirty eight that he threw. So yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: know where New England has kind of been a team
Speaker 1: rumored did they like him? But I wouldn't be surprised
Speaker 1: if somebody bring after watching him work out there that
Speaker 1: more teams all, they're all teams who represented Day and M.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if somebody brought him in just
Speaker 1: for a workout, just to see some of the things
Speaker 1: that we saw the other day. So do you think
Speaker 1: he will really play in that developmental I think he will.
Speaker 1: That's his intent. Springly Spring late springle in Austin, and
Speaker 1: then if he doesn't after that, it's then the CFL. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's gonna play. It's just he's named after Nolan.
Speaker 1: Ryan expressed, Man, oh, so this is mom and dad.
Speaker 1: Come on the welcome They're they're hare for football and
Speaker 1: baseball huh and basketball? Oh yeah, yeah, they're coming all through. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: big weekend. All right, thanks for the question, guys. I
Speaker 1: may be the only one here that saw them win
Speaker 1: a national championship. That is nineteen twenty stop six? Was
Speaker 1: that I think sister was. She was forty, he was sixteen.
Speaker 1: She was full what are you talking about? Making? Taking
Speaker 1: out with her at the student union. She was probably
Speaker 1: hidden spanking my hand for talking about I was wondering
Speaker 1: which way you were going? Ye do Hey, speaking of
Speaker 1: the previous question we got about the draft. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: my job to come up with polls on this show,
Speaker 1: right when Taylor's hosting. Yeah. Yeah, So along the lines
Speaker 1: of the previous question, Hey, after seeing what the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have done in free agency, their top priority in the
Speaker 1: draft should be and I got four options Brian, you
Speaker 1: might not agree with all these I said linebacker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: offensive line, because you can never have enough true safety
Speaker 1: or I left a spot for other. Hello, this is
Speaker 1: first round, first round or top priate priority. So yeah,
Speaker 1: she wish you would have the offensive line. Maybe would
Speaker 1: have been speaking to line or tackle? Are you other?
Speaker 1: I think I'm more I think I'm mooring the linebacker mode,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. Know, they keep saying it,
Speaker 1: and Jason mentioned the other day that they need to
Speaker 1: bring in more linebackers. Yeah, so I don't know if
Speaker 1: that meant free agency and or the draft, but I
Speaker 1: would imagine someplace in that first three rounds linebackers take. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think they're hunting linebackers. I really do. Again, thirty visits.
Speaker 1: We'll see next week. Right, who wall is on that list?
Speaker 1: Sean Evans Abama, They were down there yesterday. Look at
Speaker 1: him along a lot of guys. Yeah, they they need
Speaker 1: to kind of think about things. If we're kind of
Speaker 1: getting into a mode where, uh, you know, you're thinking
Speaker 1: about maybe a will linebacker, what are you gonna do
Speaker 1: with Sean Lee? Not to try and put Sean Lee
Speaker 1: to pasture or anything like anytime soon, because you showed
Speaker 1: last year you need him off the field. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: here's you know, here's a guy again. You talk about
Speaker 1: financial considerations and things like that, so, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: you have to kind of look to the future, and they,
Speaker 1: you know, need it. They need a guy as a
Speaker 1: guy could play a mic potentially backup Will Right, much
Speaker 1: like Anthony Hitchins did last year. I wouldn't look at
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas here as every playback. I wouldn't look a
Speaker 1: him as as Anty Hitchins. I'm with you. I would
Speaker 1: look at him more like he is a Kyle Wilburg
Speaker 1: special teams player. That's a better Justin Durant and Mickey.
Speaker 1: You and I were talking, Rob, I think you went
Speaker 1: upstairs at the time we were to my lunch that
Speaker 1: they needed a better Justin Durant. And still the million
Speaker 1: dollar question too on top of that is Jaylen Smith
Speaker 1: and what his role would be in this defense next year.
Speaker 1: How much of a load would he be ready to handle.
Speaker 1: I don't think we asked Jason Garrett that the other
Speaker 1: day in Florida and he didn't. He didn't want to
Speaker 1: put a snap count on him here in March. But
Speaker 1: they feel like physically he'll be better. I still agree, Mickey,
Speaker 1: You're right, they're gonna look for more linebackers. They had
Speaker 1: look Hitchens and Sean Lee collectively missed a nine or
Speaker 1: ten games last year, and you don't have Hitchins next
Speaker 1: year as well. He's back with and Jalen Smith was
Speaker 1: in no way ready to play sixty snaps. Yeah. That
Speaker 1: was the thing that hurt him the most is the
Speaker 1: fact that they we we kind of thought that Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith was going to kind of ease his way in,
Speaker 1: and easing his way in was thrown off the boat
Speaker 1: into the ocean. Yeah, and swim back to land. Right,
Speaker 1: so right, and so ken So we're you're removed from
Speaker 1: all that. Can they count on him sixteen games at
Speaker 1: sixty snaps a game ready for that? I think physically
Speaker 1: he'll be ready. Physically, I think physically he will do
Speaker 1: everything in his power to be ready. I think he'll
Speaker 1: do everything he can to work out. I'm sure we'll
Speaker 1: have he'll have a golf cart at training camp because
Speaker 1: he'll be the offseason award guy. He'll be one of
Speaker 1: those guys who we always see. He gets the Jason Witten,
Speaker 1: it's the tyrant Smiths the guys that get the Jeff Eaths,
Speaker 1: that get the golf carts, but will the nerve cooperator.
Speaker 1: I think that what we're starting to hear, Mickey, and
Speaker 1: I know that you kind of talked to the same
Speaker 1: guy as I do. That his ability to raise his
Speaker 1: foot is becoming more prevalent. I believe he said at
Speaker 1: the end of the season, he doesn't get tested for that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And Jerry said, yeah, he said he. I've talked to coaches, trainers,
Speaker 1: doctors and they all feel like he'll be from a
Speaker 1: physical standpoint much better. Absolutely. I agree. Hey, what's got? Hey,
Speaker 1: this is my last guy that's a zip from Mississippi
Speaker 1: and now he lives in Nashville, but this is a
Speaker 1: Mississippi state guy, So he has a nice question. Go dogs,
Speaker 1: go doggs. Hey, I'm just out here looking for Dak
Speaker 1: and I'm hoping you got How do we build a
Speaker 1: core around Dak? I'll tell you what. That's that's a
Speaker 1: that's a that's that's the whole that's right there. That
Speaker 1: that's a great question again because to me, it is
Speaker 1: about the offensive line. It is about the running game.
Speaker 1: It is about who's catching the football on the outside.
Speaker 1: It's about getting Cole Beasley better. It's about Mickey's offensive
Speaker 1: line approving the health at the left tackle and the
Speaker 1: left guard getting a little bit better. You know, anything
Speaker 1: that you can do to help Dak, I think you
Speaker 1: have to exhaust those opportunities, right, you know, he he
Speaker 1: wasn't a fluke his rookie year. That guy's a good
Speaker 1: football player, you know, a fourth round pick. Yeah, I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: maybe they caught lightning in a bottle. But early in
Speaker 1: the season that team, he was running it pretty well
Speaker 1: when they when they were five and three, they had him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you know, and then they have the shell
Speaker 1: shot game in Atlanta, which you know, I mean, you don't,
Speaker 1: that's that's one of those rare footballs. He sacks Rose
Speaker 1: Mickey noticed a blee in the last eight games of
Speaker 1: the season when he didn't have Tyron Smith for a
Speaker 1: little stretch, and you didn't you know, you were revolving
Speaker 1: door at your left tackle spot. I mean that all
Speaker 1: factors in. He was sacked thirty two times last year,
Speaker 1: twenty two in the last eight games. So what changed, Well,
Speaker 1: Tyron Smith missed three of those games and parts of
Speaker 1: two others. Yeah, Well, he was injured and they didn't
Speaker 1: have a quality backup. So we're almost back to where
Speaker 1: we started this discussion, Nate, who do you want it
Speaker 1: right tackle? Who do you want it left guard? And
Speaker 1: who do you want to be the backup tackle? If
Speaker 1: I'd had my way last year, Mick left our right
Speaker 1: tackle in another moved out to that position. I wanted
Speaker 1: to keep the middle strong and just worked for one side,
Speaker 1: and that was the right tackle. Yeah, but now you
Speaker 1: have to have the best five guys on the field
Speaker 1: right and so if we got a better right tackle
Speaker 1: than we do left guard, didn't we have to put
Speaker 1: that guy at right tackle and Lyo once again have
Speaker 1: to go back over to the left car if because
Speaker 1: you can, I ask you, how difficult? Go ahead? So
Speaker 1: so basically I did this. I played right Yeah, I know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. We're in the same situation they were last
Speaker 1: year training camp. Right, Yes, because I thought was if
Speaker 1: if who's a better right tackle right right? It took
Speaker 1: compared to the left guard right, is Chas Green a
Speaker 1: better guard, and you can leave Lale Collins at tackle
Speaker 1: or is Laale Collins a better tackle and I can
Speaker 1: find somebody to play guard me? I would leave it
Speaker 1: like it is now because he found a home last
Speaker 1: year I think brought us. What was your assessment of
Speaker 1: Layo Collins by I really I I'm with Mickey on this.
Speaker 1: I would have the fact that he he went through
Speaker 1: the growing pain early in the campaign to him playing
Speaker 1: right tackle, and then by the end of it, I
Speaker 1: thought he was one of your better linemen. Yes, and
Speaker 1: I'm kind of at the point where I'm like, you
Speaker 1: know what, I don't I don't want to. It's the
Speaker 1: same thing with Byrne. It's the same thing with with
Speaker 1: with j Jones. But by there goes the Star magazine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh taking off early today they may Yeah, make sure
Speaker 1: that my issue. Make sure you take out the sign magazine.
Speaker 1: Deal is this right here with the offensive line, leave
Speaker 1: it like it is, find your left guard. And this
Speaker 1: is where an offensive line coach shows how he's gold
Speaker 1: by making this fit, by making this work, by finding
Speaker 1: out what they do do as a as a group
Speaker 1: together real well and make it work. How difficult was
Speaker 1: it for you to switch back and forth? Been tackle guard?
Speaker 1: Been the great athlete that I was. I sweated and
Speaker 1: I almost had a fit when Jimmy said you go
Speaker 1: on the right tackle. Yeah, that means I had to
Speaker 1: stay in shape all year long. I played at my lightness.
Speaker 1: I think I played all year under three twenty. As
Speaker 1: soon as they moved back to the left guard, I
Speaker 1: went back to three thirty. Yeah, so it's easier. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you because you were a teammate with Larry Allen,
Speaker 1: and I know Larry Allen's a Hall of Fame place.
Speaker 1: How did Larry feel about and he both positions? He
Speaker 1: was an all pro, so maybe this is a bad comparison.
Speaker 1: How did he feel when he I mean, he probably
Speaker 1: popped a big dip in and he didn't really care
Speaker 1: and he just laughed. I mean he didn't laughed and
Speaker 1: scratched the head. But but your one did. He liked
Speaker 1: playing more than the other. I think he liked the
Speaker 1: playing the left side, whether it was left tackle or
Speaker 1: left guard, right, because he that's the way he made
Speaker 1: his money and that's why he Okay, so he knew
Speaker 1: that he was he was destined for greatness and he
Speaker 1: was gonna make money wherever he was. It's a bad
Speaker 1: example probably now, but tackle ended up being a necessity
Speaker 1: because they didn't you didn't have anybody else to put
Speaker 1: out that time, right, Roland. Like you say that that's
Speaker 1: that's a unique guy. I like it. It's what I
Speaker 1: had to do. It was much harder for me to
Speaker 1: go to right tackle because I didn't have a security blanket.
Speaker 1: I had to deal with open space and guys been
Speaker 1: you know. Once I got a guy going in the
Speaker 1: direction for as that left guard, I had it because
Speaker 1: it was sold up limited space that he had to
Speaker 1: be a quick move. I had it, so right, What
Speaker 1: was you what was worse having to face Reggie White
Speaker 1: or Jerome Brown? Uh? Drove this one. You always talk
Speaker 1: about someone who killed me? Yeah, to pick somebody else,
Speaker 1: John Randall, Oh my god, it gets worse. I'd tell
Speaker 1: I was blessed to play with with four of the
Speaker 1: great guys, and I had to work. You know, I
Speaker 1: faced all pros. Seemed like every game. You know, it
Speaker 1: was harder to go out of that right tackle because
Speaker 1: it's just too much space. Let me ask you this though,
Speaker 1: with with and is this why maybe Jerry Jones Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones have this best five theories and and maybe even
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett being the head coach, because it was really
Speaker 1: about in your era, the Super Bowl era, it was
Speaker 1: about the best five. Yes, yes, it was. They were winning.
Speaker 1: And they show up in training camp in ninety two
Speaker 1: and Jimmy says Tony Wise, Eric Williams, and I don't
Speaker 1: care whose feelings were hurting, and that was gonna be me.
Speaker 1: That was him, and it's like, fix it, make it work.
Speaker 1: And then they kicked Nate inside and yeah, I went.
Speaker 1: I went to jim and say, you say the best
Speaker 1: five And this one time I staffed Kevin Gogan is
Speaker 1: so deep into I'm not a Kevin Gogan. Oh all right,
Speaker 1: before we get out of here, I got a simple
Speaker 1: question for you guys. How do you feel they've handled
Speaker 1: free agency to this point? Because they might at this
Speaker 1: point they might be done for a little bit, unless
Speaker 1: opportunity presents itself. What do you think about what they've done?
Speaker 1: Adding replacing trading could be the next thing that we see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe not the addition through trading, and that maybe in
Speaker 1: the draft or trying to move to get guys. I
Speaker 1: personally we all felt like that they were going to wait,
Speaker 1: but the guys that they were able to target to
Speaker 1: get again, when you get a guy that was a
Speaker 1: starting right tackle in an AFC Championship game, in a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and you know did well there. I think
Speaker 1: that's a credit to you right there and get them
Speaker 1: for a reason, right your deal? Yes, see what you got.
Speaker 1: I think that you know, going out and get Herns.
Speaker 1: You know again, you could say what you want about
Speaker 1: the numbers and that's you know, well we'll figure that
Speaker 1: all out. But I think they again, Will wants to
Speaker 1: protect himself, you know, and so he knows he's got
Speaker 1: ten draft picks coming up free agency. I'm okay with
Speaker 1: what they've done because now it's allowed them to take
Speaker 1: a wide net in in the draft and go the
Speaker 1: directions that they want to go draft purely as they
Speaker 1: always say that why not, why not? I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: this go ahead, And I started out like this, it's
Speaker 1: free agency will benefit me once I see how they
Speaker 1: handled is and where that situation shirts and how this
Speaker 1: offensive line coach. Because of these if these two guys
Speaker 1: work out, yes, then they've hit a home run. They
Speaker 1: need that. They need to hit on home run on
Speaker 1: some of these bottom fishing. What if what the bottom
Speaker 1: bottom fishing? That's what they called me. Don't do that
Speaker 1: you end up being an all pro type bus six
Speaker 1: time pro bowler Man bomin Hey sometimes you find a
Speaker 1: big old catfish down rights. My cat. We gotta get
Speaker 1: out of here. Thanks to Mickey, thanks to Brian, thanks
Speaker 1: to Nate, thanks to our crew, thanks to Jacob, Alex
Speaker 1: Chris Beam producing. Yes, everybody in the back, and thanks
Speaker 1: you guys for your questions up here. Thank you, this
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