1 00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's Capitol. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: We may have a battle on the floor. This is 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: not about prom king, this is not about a pastor. 4 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: I'm nominating Jim Jorge. We had better come together. The 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: clerk is prepared to direct the reading clerk to call 6 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,759 Speaker 1: a role a new Bloomberg sound on politics, policy and 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: perspective from DC's top name. Org Santos has perpetrated in 8 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 1: complete and total fraud on our communit debtment to your 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:41,840 Speaker 1: constatuate Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. 10 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy still does not have the votes. Welcome to 11 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: the fastest hour in politics. As the voting goes to 12 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: extra ballots in the House without enough to close the 13 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: deal for Speaker, and as we prepare for an apparent 14 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: late night on Capitol Hill, We've assembled a special think 15 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: tank for you tonight. Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick Davis and 16 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: Jeannie Chanzano are here. Former Republican Congressman in White House 17 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: Chief of Staff mc mulvaney with US and Republican strategist 18 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: Lisa Kamuso Miller to round out this hour and help 19 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,840 Speaker 1: make sense of a chaotic first day in the Congress. 20 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: It's happening as we speak, as we move on to 21 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: the fourth round. Kevin McCarthy knew when he woke up 22 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: this morning that he would not win the speaker's gavel 23 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: on the first ballot. I will always fight to put 24 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: the American people first, not a few individuals that want 25 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: something for themselves. So we may have a battle on 26 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 1: the floor, but the battle is for the conference and 27 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,479 Speaker 1: the country, and that's fine with me. That's before one 28 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: single vote was even cast, holding a preemptive briefing, if 29 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: you will, this morning, knowing the math got worse, not 30 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: easier over the holiday, with Republican holdouts like Congress of 31 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: Matt Gates of Florida growing in scale from five now 32 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: to twenty twenty knows no Kevin and McCarthy was happy 33 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 1: to call him out last. And I was presented the 34 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: only way to have two eighteen votes if I provided 35 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: certain members with certain positions, certain gavels to take old 36 00:02:07,840 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: Church Committee, to have certain budgets. And they even came 37 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: to the position where one Matt Gates said, I don't 38 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: care if we go to polarality and we elect Hakeem Jeffreys, 39 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: and it hurts the new front line members not to 40 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,239 Speaker 1: get reelected. Well, that's not about America, and I will 41 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: always fight to put the American people first. And he 42 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: got his moment. Shortly after the hundred eighteenth Congress was 43 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: called to order, New York Congresswoman at least Madam Clerk 44 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: as the chair of the Republican Conference, it is my 45 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: high honor to present our conferences nominee for election to 46 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,840 Speaker 1: the office of Speaker of the People's House, the Honorable 47 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,360 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy from the state of California, and I yield back, 48 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 1: but it was not to pass. McCarthy did not get 49 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 1: the votes. So for the first time in a hundred years, Well, 50 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: here's the clerk, following the procedure used by the House 51 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: in ninety three and record it in Cannon's precedent, Volume 52 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: six section the clerk is prepared to direct the reading 53 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 1: clerk to call a role a new, calling the roll anew, 54 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:17,520 Speaker 1: and for the first time since it has not ended. 55 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: Since this continues as we speak. This is live sound 56 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: from the House chamber. You want to come in, come 57 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 1: on in. Crowded in here doesn't want anyone to leave. 58 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: Of course, we have been told to prepare for a 59 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: late night or an early morning. So let's get into 60 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: it right now with Laura Davis and Bloomberg Congress reporter 61 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: who's been up there in the thick of this all 62 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: day long. Just for a quick table setter before we 63 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: bring in the panel. Laura, you've been great today. I 64 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: appreciate your coming back to talk to us. How many 65 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: rounds can Kevin McCarthy squeeze out of this thing before 66 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: this session comes to a close or an a journey, 67 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: that's really the question you There's some members have been 68 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: coming off the floor saying I think that Republicans fight 69 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: a journe now and going to the basement of the 70 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: Capitol to huddle to talk this out behind closed doors. Um. 71 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: There's also um, you know, modern Republican Dan Crenshaw who 72 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: came off the House floor saying that he might be 73 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: interested in cutting a deal with Democrats of finding someone 74 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: that would be palatable to Democrats as well as a 75 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: handful of moderates they could get to eighteen votes to 76 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: beat Kevin McCarthy. So lots of things on the table. 77 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,479 Speaker 1: People are really starting to get creative. Boy, that tells 78 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: you a lot about where we are here, Laura, this 79 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,880 Speaker 1: could be an all nighter, right and I ask you 80 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: that knowing that Kevin McCarthy has been losing votes as 81 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: he goes here. Yes, on the first two ballots he 82 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: had nineteen people vote against the nineteen Republicans. That is 83 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: this last vote, Uh, twenty people who voted against them. 84 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: So things are getting worse for Kevin McCarthy, not better 85 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: at this point. Incredible. Keep us posted on what you learned, 86 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: Laura again, Laura, of great work. Laura Davison from Bloomberg 87 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: part of our Congress team all fully deployed on Capitol 88 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: Hill tonight. And uh, I'm guessing it was a bag 89 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: lunch bag dinner kind of a thing here. They're pulling 90 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: out the cots. I haven't heard anyone actually say that. 91 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: But let's get into it right now with the two 92 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: voices you want to hear from right now and for 93 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,280 Speaker 1: the first time back together in the new year. Our 94 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: signature panel Bloomberg Politics contributors Jeanie Schanzano and Rick Davis. Rick, 95 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: this was not a good weekend for Kevin McCarthy. It's 96 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: been getting worse today. What's going to happen is this 97 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: goes to additional rounds. Oh, I think that we can 98 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: anticipate many additional rounds. We talked earlier today, Joe on 99 00:05:23,320 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: balance of power about how many ballots this could take 100 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: or whether it would be an all night or and 101 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: right now I'd have to say we're headed toward an 102 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: all night er. Uh. It's obviously not in um Kevin 103 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: McCarthy's interest to uh, to take a recess or to 104 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: slow down this vote in the sense that you know, 105 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: the last thing you want to do is give people 106 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 1: time to coalesce around anybody else. That is the strength 107 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,400 Speaker 1: of his position right now is that no matter how 108 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 1: many times we take a vote, he's really the only 109 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: one on the ballot. And what the Jordan's votes represent 110 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: are the anti Kevin McCarthy vote right now, and and 111 00:05:57,839 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: they don't have a real can to cling to, so 112 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: they're just making their voices known that they opposed Kevin McCarthy. 113 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: He's got to figure out a way to start busting 114 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: into that group. And as you point out, Joe, they 115 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: lost Byron Donald's from Florida. I would hope that they 116 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: would have Donald Trump calling him up. He's a neighboring 117 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: district tomorrow, Lago. I mean, like, who's running this show? 118 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 1: What's happening here? I mean, why would they start losing 119 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: votes like that? So I think we were really seeing 120 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 1: a bit of a meltdown right now. Maybe he was 121 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: talking to another guy from Florida, Congressman Matt Gates. Is 122 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: the reason why, or at least the initial reason why 123 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: Jim Jordan's name got up there on the board as 124 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: he addressed the floor. Maybe Jim Jordan would be the 125 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: right person for Speaker of the House because he wouldn't 126 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 1: fight us when we try to get a term limit 127 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: spill on the floor. Maybe Jim Jordan would be the 128 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: right person because he wouldn't fight us when we try 129 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: to put a balanced budget on the floor and vote 130 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: for it. And maybe Jim Jordan is the right person 131 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: because he would endorse the plan that was built by 132 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: the Texas delegation to finally secure our border. Wow, Genie, 133 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: are we going to be in a situation where the 134 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: opposition grows further in additional rounds? It has been going 135 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: in a completely wrong direction for Kevin McCarthy at this point. 136 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: And I think we could see that you mentioned Donald's 137 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: we may see others from the Freedom Caucus, who decided, hey, 138 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: we voted for McCarthy on the first round, we may 139 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: need to look elsewhere at this point because as you 140 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: look from the first to the last round, the opposition 141 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: is consolidating and that is a big problem for Kevin McCarthy. 142 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: I am not sure plowing ahead is in Kevin McCarthy's 143 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: best interest at this point. You know, he has a 144 00:07:37,000 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: real challenge on his hand. As I listened to Jim 145 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: Jordan's and Steve Scalise both nominate him on the floor, 146 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: from my view, they were not focused on extolling the 147 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: virtues of Kevin McCarthy as a potential speaker. They seem 148 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: to me more to be talking about what they might 149 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: want to do if they were put up there. So 150 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,239 Speaker 1: I think he's got a real problem on his hands 151 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: as it pertains to the fact somebody else we don't 152 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: know who yet may be able to consolidate in a 153 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: way he can't. So I just don't see how this 154 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: turns out well at Ball for Kevin McCarthy in the end. 155 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: So what's the strategy here? Rick I realized he doesn't 156 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: want members to leave and conspire on some new plan 157 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: or find some so called unity candidate, although you think 158 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: they would have emerged by now such a thing existed 159 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: if he in fact wasn't it? But is this simply 160 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: about running out the clock, about wearing people down, making 161 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: them hungry and wanting to go home. Uh? That that 162 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: is the apparent strategy. Right. Everybody's still sitting in their chair. 163 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: A few people are in the cloak room, probably you know, 164 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: getting something to eat. But the reality is we're into 165 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 1: our fourth ballot. They've been at this all day and 166 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: there's no indication that there's going to be a break. 167 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: And if there is one, uh, you really got a 168 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: question is to you know, uh, what is Kevin McCarthy 169 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: gonna be able to accomplish? Uh? I don't think he's 170 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,959 Speaker 1: got a really good hand to play here. He's gonna 171 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: be telling people over and over and over the same thing, 172 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: which is, you know, I'm gonna be speaker and I 173 00:08:57,800 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: will take it out on you. If you don't care 174 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: even come vote for me. Um, there's no more gimmeys, 175 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: there's no more benefits. All these people like, uh, the 176 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: newest person who's just bailed out Byron Donald doesn't even 177 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: have an ask. I mean, from what we can tell 178 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: he's just following the herd, and the herd uh you 179 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: know that's been sitting on you know, nineteen anti Kevin 180 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: McCarthy votes, which he makes twenties. So, uh, Kevin is 181 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: going to have to really turn up the heat and 182 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: start showing these guys what kind of uh, you know, 183 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: negative consequences there is to opposing the chair. And I 184 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: don't think probably he's made that particularly well known. If anything. Um, 185 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: you know, we're seeing a lot more of chip Roy 186 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 1: out there talking to reporters between each break, uh, talking 187 00:09:43,880 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: about what's wrong with Kevin McCarthy. And we don't see 188 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: any Kevin McCarthy people out there talking about why this 189 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: is hurting the Republican caucus. So I'm not exactly sure 190 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: what his strategy is internally, but it's pretty clear he's 191 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: abdicating the public comments to the opposition group Chip Roy. 192 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: He also threw his hat in for Jim Jordan's, the 193 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: congressman from Texas. He spoke on the floor short time 194 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: ago Jim and said he doesn't want that nomination that 195 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:11,280 Speaker 1: Jim has been down here nominating Kevin, and I respect that, 196 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 1: and again I have no personal animals towards Kevin and 197 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: I've worked for the last two months to try to 198 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: figure out how to get the rules to make this 199 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: place better, and we've made progress, but we do not 200 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 1: have the tools or the leadership yet to stop the 201 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 1: swamp for rolling over the American people. Jim has been 202 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: doing it. He has a track record of doing it, 203 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: and for those reasons, I'm nominating Jim Jordan from Ohio 204 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: for Speaker of the House. And he got what twenty votes? 205 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: Twenty Republicans soaked up just like that, Genie. The problem 206 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: isn't Rick illustrated this really well? Uh, there's just nothing 207 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: in some cases that Kevin McCarthy can offer. The no votes, 208 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: there's no ask. As Rick put it, It's not like 209 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: he this, this motion to vacate is going to somehow 210 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: change the outcome here or I don't know. You tell 211 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 1: me if he lowers it to one member, is that 212 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: is that what we're in for tonight? We may be 213 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: in for it, but it's not going to work. He 214 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: has given away the store. He is basically naked out 215 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: there with nothing else to offer, and this has been 216 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: the problem for him, right along the never Kevin group, 217 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: which is growing. They don't want Kevin McCarthy. They don't 218 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: care what else happens. They do not want him. And 219 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: this goes back many, many years, so he really has 220 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: had no sway over them. I think a lot of 221 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: questions are going to be asked in in as we 222 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: go forward and look back on this, whether he made 223 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: a mistake in terms of giving up everything with no 224 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: guarantees of support in return, apparently from this group. And 225 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: the other thing I think in my mind is this 226 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: is starting to feel a bit like groundhog Day. They're 227 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: taking these votes, it's working against Kevin McCarthy. At some point, 228 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 1: do responsible members from the moderate middle who are supporting 229 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: McCarthy gout now go to him and say in the 230 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: cloak room or wherever it is, we got to find 231 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: somebody else. Kevin, we love you, but this is not 232 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: working out because he simply doesn't look like he can 233 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: get there now. I mean, I thought earlier today it 234 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: was going to be an uphill battle, and I wasn't 235 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 1: hopeful he could get there. It's looking increasingly less likely 236 00:12:05,240 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 1: at that. But doesn't he give you the reality check 237 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: at that point and say, look, Rick, I got over 238 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: two votes. Nobody else can come close to that. I 239 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: may not be getting to eighteen, but no one has 240 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: the base of support that I have in the House. 241 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: How did that? How could that change tonight? And I'm 242 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: not sure it does change tonight. I think that um, 243 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: a group of Republicans who are his supporters could go 244 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: to him and say, hey, look, you know the writings 245 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 1: on the wall. You you can't get there. And then 246 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: the question he's gonna ask is, so who is going 247 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,439 Speaker 1: to get there? Because anybody who would make the moderates happy. 248 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: And when we say moderates, we're really talking non right 249 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: wing nut conservatives, UM, And and what they want is 250 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy. They don't they don't want Scullies, they don't 251 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: want Stefonic, they don't want Jim Jordan especially. And so 252 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: you're not going to make the two hundred happy by 253 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: putting somebody else on who will make the twenty happy. 254 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just not going to happen. And so 255 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: the strength of the situation that McCarthy has is he 256 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 1: does have to under two votes that right now are 257 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: only for him. They're not for anybody else. And so 258 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: even if a group of Republicans who are his supporters go, 259 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: they've got to find a way to do account where 260 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: whoever they suggest replace him is going to be able 261 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: to get those votes. And right now, I don't think 262 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: there's anybody even asking that question. Rick, Is there that 263 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: much daylight between Kevin McCarthy and and Scalise when it 264 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: comes to this conversation who's considered mainstream or or somehow 265 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: credible enough to have this job within the caucus? But 266 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: I think within the caucus um there's less support for 267 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: Scalisa there is for McCarthy. I mean there is daylight 268 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: and and and there's just as many mainstreamers who don't 269 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: want Scalise as there are right wingers who don't want McCarthy. 270 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:48,559 Speaker 1: And so there's your loggerhead. It's really not how how 271 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: to make these guys on the right happy. It's the 272 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: reality is the minute you make them happy, you make 273 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 1: everybody else unhappy. And that's that's really the game that 274 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: McCarthy is playing. Is sooner or later I can wear 275 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: down Wanny if I continue to keep my two I 276 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: guess Donald Trump working the phones a few weeks back, 277 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: as it had been reported Jennie uh did not help. 278 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: Are we going to learn that it made things worse? 279 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 1: We may at this point. I mean, the stunning thing 280 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 1: is we're in a place where Jim Jim Jordan's, Marjorie 281 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: Taylor Green, and Donald Trump all support Kevin McCarthy. I mean, 282 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: he wouldn't have thought that could happen, and he's still losing. 283 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 1: I mean, it's an incredible reality here. His power seems 284 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: to have waned with this group. They are out going 285 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: on their own. They simply don't want Kevin McCarthy. And 286 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure we can trust that when 287 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 1: Donald Trump was calling them, if he was that he 288 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: was putting his heart and soul behind Kevin McCarthy, because, 289 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: let's face it, Kevin McCarthy has flipped on Donald Trump 290 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: in the past as well. I'm not confident they would. 291 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: You know, listen when he talked about you know, what 292 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: did he call him, Mike Kevin? That may have subsided 293 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: a long time ago. You do wonder Rick if if 294 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: you know, there was a there, a couple of winks, 295 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: uh and a few nods, and those phone calls were made, 296 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: you know, please support Mike Kevin unless you have something 297 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: better to do. Yeah. No, I think McCarthy just played 298 00:15:06,920 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: his hand wrong. Post January six, when he went down 299 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: tomorrow Lago and cut this deal to help win a 300 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: majority and to be speaker, and he barely won the majority. 301 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: And there's probably not a member on the floor today 302 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: who's sitting there wondering what should I do to make 303 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: Donald Trump happy. They're all about their own agenda inside 304 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: the House to say that all politics is local right now. 305 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 1: Local is a you know, one hundred square foot space 306 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: on the floor of the House of Representatives, and that's 307 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:44,040 Speaker 1: the game to play. They're basically locked in together here, 308 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: Genie and I do want to remind everybody this is 309 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: the beginning of the hundred eighteenth Congress. There's also a 310 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: Democratic Party. They actually elected their leader in Hockeyen Jeffreys today, 311 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: which was a huge moment for Democrats. And they just 312 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: seem like they're they're having a good time sitting around 313 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: watching all this happen. Are you know, they have been cheering. 314 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:04,920 Speaker 1: They have been you know, two hundred and twelve solid 315 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: every time for for hackem Jeffries. It's a historic moment 316 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: for Hakeem Jeffries, for the country, the first African American 317 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,600 Speaker 1: to lead a caucus like this in the House. And 318 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: you know, they are soaking it up. There's no better 319 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: way to start for Democrats than the disarray on the 320 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: Republican side. Unbelievable. I can hear it in your voice, Jennie, 321 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: My goodness. Rip Davis and Jeannie Chanzano are back straight ahead, 322 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: as we also at Lisa Kamusa Miller to the conversation, 323 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: former calms director for the Republican National Committee, wondering what 324 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: she's been thinking. Remember the last time we spoke, she said, 325 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: watched Steve Scalise. This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg sond 326 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. So it's three 327 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: up and three downs so far for Kevin McCarthy. Yes, 328 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: we are now going to the fourth ballots in the 329 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 1: US House, and from the sounds of things, many more 330 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: to follow to kick off the new Congress to amendment 331 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: to the Constitution of the United States for the meeting 332 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: of the one h Congress of the United States. The 333 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: House will come to order. Yes, and they're still going 334 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: live sound from the House of Representatives. Imagine all your 335 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: favorite lawmakers locked into one room on this first day 336 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 1: of the session and can't do anything until they elect 337 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: a speaker. Granted, at some point, they might take a break, 338 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: maybe they go back to their chambers, start making other plans. 339 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: Maybe they come back tomorrow. But the strategy so far 340 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: is to keep things going as long as possible. That 341 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: could be all night. I suspect the take out and 342 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 1: by that I mean the wine will be arriving shortly. 343 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: Be interesting to see the hallway outside of the offices tomorrow. 344 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 1: That's a different story. Hey, look, it's a late night. 345 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: You know, they pull the cots out. We're going to 346 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: the mattresses in a different way. By the way, that 347 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,359 Speaker 1: second ballot did make history for the first time in 348 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,400 Speaker 1: a hundred years. Last time a speaker election went more 349 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: than one ballot was nine twenty three, when Speaker Frederick 350 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 1: Gillette of Massachusetts, a Republican, was re elected on what 351 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: was the ninth ballot. So we're, you know, not even 352 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: halfway there. This has been a bit of an ongoing conversation, 353 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 1: a rolling conversation throughout the day, and looking forward to 354 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: adding Lisa Camuso Miller's voice to it. The former communications 355 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: director for the Republican National Committee is with us here. Lisa, 356 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: thanks so much for coming by, and first of all, 357 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: happy New Year. It's great to hear you back. We've 358 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: been knee deep in this all day. I'm just curious 359 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 1: to get your first blush response to knowing that this 360 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: is not just going to a second ballot, this could 361 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: go all night. Does that improve or worse in Kevin 362 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,239 Speaker 1: McCarthy's chances, Joel, We're going in the wrong direction, and 363 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: by we, I mean Kevin McCarthy. On this third ballot, 364 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: they lost another vote, a vote that was a McCarthy 365 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: bo that went to Jim Jordan's. Seventeen years ago, I 366 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: worked in the Speaker's communications office. I have sat in 367 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: these halls and waited and had that cold take out 368 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: myself for so many nights I can't even begin to count. 369 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: But this is a night that is well. The only 370 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: thing I can hope for all of us is that 371 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: we're not looking at a repeat from eighteen fifty six, 372 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: which was the which was the time when it took 373 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: two months in a hundred and thirty three ballots to 374 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: get to a speaker. I think media would allow for this. 375 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:31,520 Speaker 1: I can't imagine anything like it, but you know, we 376 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: could be here for more than tonight, I suppose, Lisa, 377 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: if if Kevin McCarthy continues to see deterioration as he 378 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:43,439 Speaker 1: has been through several rounds. Now, so far, where are 379 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: we going. I know Jim Jordan's name has been up there. 380 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: I haven't seen anybody at least formally going for Steve Scalise. 381 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: But I know that's a name that you were looking 382 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,920 Speaker 1: at weeks ago. Yeah, you know, it's one that I'm 383 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: not the only one who said Steve Scalise because there 384 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: has been some conversation about him as the whip, because 385 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: he is so idly regarded and well regarded amongst the conference. 386 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,679 Speaker 1: But you know, candidates like Jordan, candidates like Scalise, they 387 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: have problems with the moderates, and so I'm not sure 388 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: that for the twenty votes that have been for Jim 389 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: Jordan's whether they would come back and be for a Scalise. 390 00:20:15,880 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: Maybe there'll be other attrition where we would lose others 391 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: for his candida Ccy. But the one thing that I'm 392 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: hearing from the Hill Joe today is members now they're fatigued. 393 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 1: They've been out this since since noon today, five hours 394 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: in and they are ready to go back into closed doors. 395 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:32,760 Speaker 1: Because I can't be the first person to say this 396 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: on air today. I mean the definition of insanity is 397 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: to do the same thing over and over again and 398 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: expect a different outcome. So he could just be annoying 399 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: people into oblivion here and making it worse, I guess, 400 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: potentially in every round. It's been interesting to hear from 401 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 1: the lawmakers whose names have been mentioned, and of course 402 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 1: there aren't too many of them, as we just referred Lisa. 403 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: Steve Scalise, who you know, says, don't look at me. 404 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: Let's meet the challenges that the American people sent all 405 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: of us, not just the Republicans, not just the Democrats, 406 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: but all four hundred and thirty four soon to be 407 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 1: four hundred and thirty five of us. We can meet 408 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:09,239 Speaker 1: those challenges. But let's start by electing Kevin McCarthy as 409 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: our next speaker. And when that was several hours ago. 410 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: By the way, Jim Jordan, who've got twenty votes in 411 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: the last round. Differences between Joyce and Jordan's or Biggs 412 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: and Bacon, they pale in comparison to the differences between 413 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: us and the Left, which now unfortunately controls the other party. 414 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: So we had better, we had better come together. Better 415 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: come together, and he says, vote for Kevin McCarthy. Is 416 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: that what you're supposed to do at Lisa, even if 417 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: people are whispering in your ear, you have to publicly 418 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: support McCarthy until it's just too late, you know, Joe. 419 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 1: What struck me about both of those speeches that they 420 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,479 Speaker 1: is that they both sounded like speeches of someone who 421 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: might like to be speaker themselves. Um. They were very 422 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: much about uniting the party, uniting the House of Representatives, 423 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: working together on important issues. And then oh, by the way, 424 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: it's we need to get together behind Kevin McCarthy, And 425 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: that I think is something that's interesting. I actually it 426 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: caught my breath when um Matt Gates stood up and 427 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 1: nominated Jordan's after Jordan's speech. Not that I think Gates 428 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: as a statesman or really anybody who's interested in anything 429 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: other than advancing his own name, but I felt like 430 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: that was a move that was calculated and was choreographed, 431 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: and that's what has now got us to a place 432 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: where it's between McCarthy and Jordan on the ballot at 433 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: this point. Listen to the way Lisa Matt Gates made 434 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: the case against Kevin McCarthy maybe the right person for 435 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: the job of Speaker of the House isn't someone who 436 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: wants it so bad? Maybe the right person for the 437 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: job of Speaker of the House isn't someone who has 438 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 1: sold shares of themselves for more than a decade to 439 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: get it sold shares of that? Is that what this 440 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: is coming? I mean, this is beyond personality contest for 441 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: calling into his credibility on the table here in this conversation, 442 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: is it not, Lisa, Yeah, there's a lot of criticism 443 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: of of Kevin McCarthy and his closeness to Kay Street. Um, 444 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: that Freedom Caucus is absolutely not at all interested in 445 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: in cow towing to the lobbying efforts of really any industry. 446 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 1: They're willing to just about blow anything up. Clearly they're 447 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: willing to blow up the House of Representatives today. Um 448 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: so yeah, that is one thing that is a big 449 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: criticism of Kevin McCarthy is that this Freedom Caucus just 450 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: thinks he's too close to corporate America. We're talking with 451 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: Lisa Comusa Miller, and there's a breaker here, Lisa, here 452 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: we go. Republicans are now adjourning until noon Wednesday, the 453 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: House adjourance until noon on Wednesday, amidstandoff over electing Kevin 454 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 1: McCarthy as speaker, This is okay, So we're not going 455 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: to have an all nighter here on the floor, but 456 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 1: those phones are going to be ringing all night. That's 457 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: exactly right, and it's gonna be it's going to be 458 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: the kind of night where there will be a lot 459 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 1: of conversations that will happen. Um, it'll be it'll be 460 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: amazing to see. But I do think you're right. I 461 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: think it's going to go very late. I think they're 462 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: smart to say that it's not going to be till 463 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: noon tomorrow, because over and over again we've seen no change, 464 00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: there's been no concessions, and I'm not necessarily convey instant 465 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,360 Speaker 1: that those twenty can be convinced for McCarthy. And that's 466 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: why I think there's going to be some um discussion 467 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: behind the scene about what other kind of what other 468 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: candidate could potentially be a consensus candidate for the party. 469 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: I'm glad you mentioned that. I mean, we were talking 470 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,479 Speaker 1: about this before you joined us. Lisa, Uh, I'm not 471 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: sure there's anything Kevin McCarthy can offer at least a 472 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: dozen of these members. How does that change overnight? I 473 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,719 Speaker 1: don't think it can. I mean, I really I just 474 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: don't think that there's a path forward here. I think 475 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,959 Speaker 1: what also concerns me Joe is if he does, in 476 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: fact figure out what it is that's the carrot that's 477 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: going to get these guys to get motivated and get 478 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 1: behind him, how difficult will it be. He's already voted, 479 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: and he's already said that he would be okay with 480 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: the um motion to vacate, which is the vote could 481 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: come just to one unhappy member of Congress. We've already 482 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: got twenty. This is not a this is not a 483 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: recipe for success for the House of Representatives in the 484 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: eighteenth Congress. Were glad you could come in as always. 485 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: Lisa Camusa Miller, former communications director for the r n C. 486 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 1: Thank you, Lisa. Let's reassemble the panel. My goodness. Every 487 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: time we turn around, it's an update today. So Rick 488 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,640 Speaker 1: Davis and Jeannie Chanzanow are back. Rick, We've got till 489 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: noon Wednesday. And yes, I know it's weird for a 490 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: short and week for some people. That's tomorrow. What happens 491 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: between now and then, well, I think that there'll be 492 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: a lot of conversations, as you were just talking about. 493 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 1: I'm sure there'll be meetings. I doubt if McCarthy and 494 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: his team will leave the House of Representatives, they'll be 495 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: working overnight uh and uh and it'll be interesting to 496 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: see if there's any daylight there. I think this lets 497 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: some of the pressure off if they do uh indeed 498 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: recess uh and uh. And I think that if they do, 499 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: they're gonna have to chase a lot of people around 500 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: town because if you're one of the twenty that just 501 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 1: voted against him, you're gonna disappear. You're gonna be very 502 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: hard to get hold of. And so it'll be calling 503 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: their friends and and and and and frankly financial supporters. 504 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: I mean, this will be an all out campaign tonight 505 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: that's gonna take place. It's gonna put an enormous pressure 506 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: on twenty people. And irony is, you know, they're the 507 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: ones who seem to want this recess. That's the worst 508 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: thing for them because now they're going to get the 509 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 1: impact of the entire Republican establishment on them. And maybe 510 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: that's something they don't care about, but it includes a 511 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: lot of their own supporters. He's gonna wake up to 512 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: some interesting headlines tomorrow that he preferred not wake up 513 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: to and probably didn't expect you. I don't know, maybe 514 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: he saw this in the cards, Jennie, but Kevin McCarthy 515 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 1: uh is going to have an awfully difficult time changing 516 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: the conversation tonight. He might be able to go back 517 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: around and talk to a lot of people. But what's 518 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: going to be different between now and neon tomorrow. Well, 519 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if he's going to be able to 520 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: change the minds of these twenty. But I am watching 521 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: for one thing. Could the House agree to a resolution 522 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: to let the speaker be elected by a plurality. It's 523 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: been done twice in American history, obviously before the Civil War. 524 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,480 Speaker 1: If they were able to do that, he may come 525 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: up on an election. And that's if they can't find 526 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: somebody to get to the two eighteen, and that seems 527 00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 1: hard to imagine who that would be. So watch for 528 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: potential Elie. Although the entire House would have to agree 529 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: to it, a resolution to elect bi plurality, that is 530 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: something that could potentially help them out of this difficult situation, 531 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: assuming they can't change the hearts and minds of this 532 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: twenty and it doesn't look like they can. Incredible so 533 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,679 Speaker 1: breaking news here if you're just joining us, especially, I 534 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: want you to know that Republicans in the House have 535 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: adjourned until noon tomorrow. It's gonna start all over again 536 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,160 Speaker 1: with balance of power. On Wednesday, Kevin McCarthy did not 537 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: have the votes to survive three rounds. You're listening to 538 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Well, 539 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: so much for the late night. Maybe they'll be out 540 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 1: whining and dining, but they won't be voting, at least 541 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 1: not on this first day of the eighteen Congress. Three 542 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 1: is enough for Kevin McCarthy. He didn't get the votes, 543 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: and they've called it a night. No person haven't received 544 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 1: the majority of the whole number of let's cast by surname. 545 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 1: A speaker has not been elected. But what purpose does 546 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: a gentleman from Oklahoma rise? I moved to adjourn until 547 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:14,360 Speaker 1: noon tomorrow. The question is on the motion. All those 548 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:23,960 Speaker 1: in favor say I, all those opposed no, The motion 549 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:30,160 Speaker 1: is adopted. How stands A journed until noon tomorrow? Get 550 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 1: the language right for noon tomorrow? They teed it up 551 00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: for balance of power. That is where we will begin 552 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: for another day in this new Congress. I'm Joe Matthew 553 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: and Washington welcome to sound on the fastest hour in politics. 554 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: It's so fast we ran out of time on this thing. 555 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: We thought it would be an all nighter. That is 556 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: kind of where we were going. And we've been spending 557 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,000 Speaker 1: time with our signature panel, who we will hear from again. 558 00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: Mick mulvaney joins us, founding member of the Freedom cauc 559 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:05,360 Speaker 1: is former acting chiefs of staff in the Trump White House, 560 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,280 Speaker 1: former Assistant U S. Attorney. Spent enough time in the 561 00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 1: Republican has to have a sense of what's going on now, 562 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: and certainly is enough of a player in the party 563 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: at this point to understand why the opposition to Kevin McCarthy. 564 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: And I appreciate your Micke for being here. Is it 565 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: the right thing to adjourn for the night? Um? I 566 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: don't know. Um yes, because UM, I think if the 567 00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,200 Speaker 1: decision was made in order to bring some pressure on 568 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: the never Kevin people, I think that was the right decision. 569 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: They're getting just pilloried by talk radio, by cable news, 570 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 1: um by social media. The likes of Mark Levine and 571 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: Laura Ingram are just ripping these people because they don't 572 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: have a plan. Um, you know, I listen, I don't 573 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: think those those folks are necessarily huge supporters of Kevin McCarthy, um, 574 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: but they don't want to make it look like the 575 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: Republicans are complete idiots when it comes to running the country. 576 00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: And that's sort of the message, you know, that's coming 577 00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: out of the House today, is that we don't know 578 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: how to govern and that's not a good thing for 579 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: our brand. When you zoom out, though, do you see 580 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: anybody else who could pull over two votes each round? 581 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 1: Which Kevin McCarthy did. I realize he's losing support here 582 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: in these uh these first three rounds. But who else 583 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: is there? Mick now? And that's the question I've asked 584 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: the never Kevin people. I know thost of these folks 585 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: are the friends. With these folks, I'm like, guys, who 586 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,080 Speaker 1: who They won't give me a name. You know. They 587 00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,360 Speaker 1: nominated Jim Jordan a couple of times, and Jim was 588 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: a great guy, and I would vote for Jim Jordan 589 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: all day long if I were in the House. But 590 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: Jim can't get elected. He cannot get the two eighteen 591 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,720 Speaker 1: votes that we expect people are going to need. There's 592 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: going to be five or six moderates liberals within the 593 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: Republican party for whom Jim is is just not acceptable. 594 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: UM My guess is, if it's not Kevin, it will 595 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 1: end up being a compromise candidate more towards the Democrat 596 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: side of my party, more something um like a Fred Upton. 597 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,480 Speaker 1: And I've used Fred's name. I used that, you know, 598 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: with a smile on my face. Fred the friend of mine. 599 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: But he's a very moderate Republican. That that's going to 600 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: be who you end up with, because it will be 601 00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: a coalition of Republican and Democrats electing the speaker, not 602 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 1: the Republicans. And that's what I fear as the end 603 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: result here of this opposition to Kevin McCarthy, as you 604 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: get somebody who's even less acceptable of the conservative wing 605 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: of the party, and that would be a shame. How 606 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: does that play out? Is that the conversation that that 607 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 1: takes place tonight, make is that a name for instance, 608 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: or or or you know, pick another unity candidate. If 609 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: there's such a thing that emerges in the early stages 610 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: of voting tomorrow, it's the kind of it's the conversations 611 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: I've been trying to drive today and I'm talking to 612 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,959 Speaker 1: say Dan Bishop, Dan's de friend of mine with law 613 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,480 Speaker 1: school together. Um, he's got the district right across where 614 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: I live back home, and I know Dan know him 615 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: very well. I'm asking Dan, you know, give me a name, 616 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 1: and he won't give me a name. There there there, 617 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: there is no name. I don't think. I think they're 618 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,440 Speaker 1: playing checkers. They really don't like Kevin McCarthy. Um. And 619 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: that's about it. Um, That's what keeps asking why Mick. 620 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: I know this is more complicated than it being a 621 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: so called freedom caucus thing. What is the problem with 622 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: Kevin McCarthy. It's let's be clear, it's not a freedom 623 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: caucus thing. The majority of the Free Him Caucus voted 624 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 1: for Kevin McCarthy three times today. So no, a lot 625 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 1: of these folks not all of them. A lot of 626 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: these folks were post Kevin are in the Freedom Caucus. 627 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: But this is not a freedom caucus sort of rebellion. 628 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,480 Speaker 1: I don't know what the objection is, you know. And 629 00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: I talked to Ralph Norman, my congressman the South now lie, 630 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 1: I said, you know, why are you doing this? He goes, well, 631 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: we're losing our country. I'm like, okay, I guess I 632 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 1: agree with that, because we you know, we're drowning it dead. 633 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, I get that, but tell me how you 634 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: know not voting for Kevin McCarthy solves that, And there's 635 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: no response to that. There's just a lot of personal animals. 636 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: But I don't understand, and that's not a good reason 637 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 1: to vote one way in this thing. Um. Sometimes you 638 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: have to put your personal preferences aside um and you know, 639 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,000 Speaker 1: vote your head and not your heart. And I just 640 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: don't see them doing that right now. This is incredible 641 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: to hear as we spend some time with McK mulvaney. 642 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 1: You surprised Donald Trump couldn't turn this around by working 643 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: the phones a little bit more. Did that turn into 644 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: a liability? Yeah, I've heard he's actually is on the 645 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 1: phone a little bit. I don't think it's a liability 646 00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: because I think he knows, you know, I'm Trump still 647 00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: one of the best, you know, gut politicians I've ever 648 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,719 Speaker 1: met my entire life. Say what you want to around him. 649 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,320 Speaker 1: He's got a lot of weaknesses, but he is a 650 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: pretty good politician. Maybe it runs for president one time 651 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: and win the first time through is going to prove that. 652 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: I think, uh, he knows that. If McCarthy loses, Trump 653 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 1: will also be one of the losers here because regardless 654 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: of the work that he might or might have not 655 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: done in the last twenty four hours, everybody knows that 656 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: he supports Kevin McCarthy. So these people are actually thumbing 657 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: their nose at the President. And if McCarthy loses, it 658 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: will be just another blow to to Trump's reputation, into 659 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 1: his credibility, and to his electability. He was a huge 660 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: took a huge hit in the midterms, and not being 661 00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: able to get his guy elected Speaker Ance would get 662 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: another blow that would just convolton his opponent. The Democrats 663 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,000 Speaker 1: pick up the phone tonight, Mick, is there is there 664 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: a strategy here for Hockeen Jeffreys and his early going 665 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: to strike a deal that might help their minority status. Yeah. 666 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,000 Speaker 1: I was over in the Senate today. All the new 667 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 1: members get sworn in in the Senate because it's functioning properly, 668 00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: swore in their new members. I talked of some friends 669 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,760 Speaker 1: of mind from too into a democt on the train 670 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: coming back, and he just sort of looked at me 671 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: and says, Nick, when, uh, when are you guys going 672 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: to call us? Uh? And I think that's that's what 673 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: they're waiting for. Is they're waiting for a phone call 674 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: from some group of Republicans is to uh striging out 675 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: a way to hammer out a deal. We did this 676 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,760 Speaker 1: when I was in the state legislature back in South Carolina, 677 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: and we had somebody who ran the speaker at about 678 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 1: a third of the support of the Republicans and kind 679 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:22,439 Speaker 1: of deal with the Democrats and end up giving them 680 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: a couple of committee chairs to do it. So certainly 681 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: the president is there many many times over to cut 682 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: deals to get speakerships. And my guess is a team 683 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: is is going to answer his phone for anybody that 684 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,759 Speaker 1: wants to call him tonight. Incredible, what a way to 685 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: make a living. Great conversation, Mick Wmilvany is great to 686 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,959 Speaker 1: hear your voice again. Happy New Year, Thanks for coming 687 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,040 Speaker 1: back in to talk to us. Someone I know is 688 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:46,080 Speaker 1: a very busy day, uh Rick Davis, what's your thought 689 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: on that? Is that happy talk? Or is there something 690 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: actually that Democrats might be able to carve out for 691 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: themselves by supporting someone else? Well? Sure, um, you know, 692 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,879 Speaker 1: Democrats are looking at a pretty bleak agenda if Republicans 693 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: are in power and they have a a speaker who 694 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 1: will govern in a way that McCarthy wants to. I mean, 695 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: to be a rules deal. Though it's like they're gonna 696 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,120 Speaker 1: make a deal on comprehensive immigration reforms tonight or something 697 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: like that. Well, they can make a deal on chairmanships, 698 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: you know. It's kind of like the power sharing agreement 699 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: that uh it was done between in the Senate last 700 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: cycle when I was even split between the committees and 701 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 1: and and the realities, nothing stops them from doing the 702 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: same thing. And by the way, they're really keen on 703 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,000 Speaker 1: things like the Judiciary Committee and one investigations are going 704 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: to go on. Uh, do they get influence on you know, 705 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,800 Speaker 1: maybe killing some of those investigations and and and focusing 706 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,879 Speaker 1: on other issues like you know, the debt ceiling that's 707 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: coming up and getting a deal cut on that. So 708 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: look at anything goes, I mean, look at one of 709 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,799 Speaker 1: the things that that everybody uh needs to understand is 710 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 1: the minute someone's name is put into UH nomination, like 711 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,359 Speaker 1: Jim Jeffers or Jim Jordan's, Uh, they don't they don't 712 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 1: have anything to say about it. So anybody can be 713 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: nominated right now and no telling what the Democrats will 714 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: do be hearing more from Rick and Jeanie Chanzano with 715 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,560 Speaker 1: some final thoughts here. By the way, you know, members 716 00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: aren't sworn in until they get a speaker that goes 717 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,560 Speaker 1: for George Santos has been sitting in the chamber. We'll 718 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 1: get into that next on Sound On. This is Bloomberg. 719 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. Sound On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. 720 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:30,359 Speaker 1: George Santos realized his American dream today as he at 721 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 1: last arrived in Washington. There were a lot of reporters. 722 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: Wait before you have any statements, your instituents. This is 723 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: life in the hallway outside of George Santos office. The 724 00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:55,120 Speaker 1: congressman election, whose fabrications, of course, became public after he 725 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: was elected in New York. Federal and local officials now 726 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 1: suing investigations into the many discrepancies and questions about his finances, 727 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,719 Speaker 1: including those of his campaign. He's admitted to making up 728 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: much of his resume, including that he graduated from college, 729 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: worked for Goldman Saxon City Group, and is Jewish. He 730 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,200 Speaker 1: of course, went on Fox to defend himself. I understand 731 00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,080 Speaker 1: everybody wants a nitpick at me. I'm gonna reassure this 732 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,920 Speaker 1: once and for all. I'm not a facade, I'm not 733 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,640 Speaker 1: a persona. I have an extensive career that I worked 734 00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:36,719 Speaker 1: really hard to achieve. And there he was not just 735 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 1: in the hall, but in the chamber, sitting in the 736 00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:43,240 Speaker 1: chamber with a nice sort of sweater jacket routine going 737 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: as other members with their families watched what was happening. 738 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,240 Speaker 1: And so now there's of course a call by many 739 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: for him to resign. George Santos has perpetrated a complete 740 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,800 Speaker 1: and total fraud on our community. He was enabled and 741 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 1: supported by the entire Nassau County machine, Republican machine and 742 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: his Republican running mate It's Democratic state senator and a 743 00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: kaplan at an event at the end of last week 744 00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: on Long Island. But he's still showed up today. And 745 00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:27,760 Speaker 1: you're right, Jeanie Chanzano. He did say in that interview, 746 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: and he said it in other places he's not Jewish. 747 00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:35,680 Speaker 1: He's Jewish. I'm not sure that's helping he'll be seated though, 748 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:44,040 Speaker 1: right was that your expectation? Oh? Today I was waiting 749 00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 1: for sound Joe mannis piece he will be seated. Um, yes, 750 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 1: you're right, he's not Jewish. He's Jewish, which was one 751 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 1: of them many lies. Um, they can't even call him 752 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 1: fabrications anymore. And I have to tell you that reporters 753 00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: seem to be the only ones who want to talk 754 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 1: to about Capitol Hill. When you watched him on the floor, 755 00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 1: he looked very lonely amongst his Republican colleagues, sitting by himself, 756 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: yawning and stretching and having very little interaction except those 757 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 1: reporters who want to know if and when he'll resign. 758 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 1: He will be seated. He will not resign. Ethics may 759 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: look into him, but Republicans don't want to have a 760 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: fight in that district right now for a special election. 761 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 1: They will likely lose it. It's a it's a democratic 762 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,880 Speaker 1: district and it long has been. So pay attention to 763 00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: nothing here. Rick moved right along. Nothing to see. By 764 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: the way, we have this wild speaker drama going on. 765 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:35,160 Speaker 1: Watch that instead. Yeah, I don't know what would be 766 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,040 Speaker 1: more interesting. Although he's probably the one guy who's still 767 00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: sitting in the chamber because he minute he washed out 768 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:42,759 Speaker 1: of there. He's gonna get hit by an avalanche of 769 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: media who's been chasing him around all day to day. 770 00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: So he made be the one guy who said no, no, no, 771 00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: don't adjourn. So whomever becomes speaker, then, Rick, what does 772 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,279 Speaker 1: the Republican Party do with this? Do you truly just 773 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,439 Speaker 1: ignore it because you need the vote, Well, you're gonna 774 00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: need the vote for a while, and I think you've 775 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: got to contemplate, you know, just how much baggage this 776 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: guy brings. I mean, the reality is there are investigations 777 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,839 Speaker 1: and to sort of where his money came from, and 778 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: and that's not gonna look good for Republicans. But look, 779 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's Triage, right, who got a patient his 780 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,640 Speaker 1: heart stopped. There's nobody who's getting sworn in until we 781 00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 1: get a speaker and who cares. Well, New York is 782 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: responsible for this. I mean, there's the reason that Republicans 783 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,919 Speaker 1: have the House, you could argue is because of New York. 784 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,839 Speaker 1: This was a failure all around from the Democratic Party 785 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,839 Speaker 1: that you know, unfortunately, the lack of local media there 786 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 1: to really investigate this, and the Republican Party as well. 787 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 1: So you know, the people in this district are rightly frustrated. 788 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: They would like him out for the most part, so 789 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,759 Speaker 1: glad to have Jennie Chanzano and Rick Davis with us 790 00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:53,000 Speaker 1: on a day like this, I feel like we're gonna 791 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 1: do it again tomorrow. Is it really only tuesday? Hey, 792 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: Happy New Year you guys. Great to be back together. 793 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: We'll figure this out. We'll let he's lived through it together. 794 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg. H