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It was chilly in February the 10 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: night that Halley Cummings goes missing from her father's Putnam 11 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: County home. He was at work, clocked in air tight 12 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: alibi at least thirty minutes away at the time his 13 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: daughter seemingly disappears into thin air. So what happened to this? 14 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: A beautiful little girl just five years old when she 15 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: goes missing, Haley Cummings, I mean, I see, Grace. This 16 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us, with 17 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 1: me an all star panel to help break it down 18 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: and put it back together again. Where is Haley? Is 19 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: Haley still alive? Amidst mystery shrouded with controversy. Still we 20 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: look for Haley. I want to go straight out to 21 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 1: Robin Willinsky, ws B radio reporter who was on the case. Robin, 22 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 1: tell me about the night Haley disappeared from her father's home. Well, 23 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: she was five years old, an adorable little girl, and 24 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: the woman who was there, Misty, who was seventeen years old, 25 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: was her father's girlfriend. She was in the house, her 26 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,480 Speaker 1: little brother was in the house, and reportedly there was 27 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: a cousin there. What's so troubling is that Misty, who 28 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: was in charge of this little girl, told police various stories. Nancy, 29 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: she was sleeping in bed with me. Oh, no, she 30 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 1: was on the mattress on the floor. Oh, she was 31 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: wearing a pink shirt. Oh, she wasn't wearing a pink shirt. 32 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: Totally inconsistent stories. Now hold on just a moment. I 33 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: want to follow up on that. Everyone. The tip line 34 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: for Missing Helly is three eight six three to nine 35 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: zero eight hundred three eight six three to nine zero 36 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: eight hundred with me Emmy Award winning investigative reporter and 37 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: journalists Art Harris, Art Misty Crosland, who was there at 38 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: the time Helly goes missing, States that she was asleep 39 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: and did not hear a thing. We found out that 40 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: the back door had been propped open with a cement 41 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: block that was taken out of the yard. And as 42 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 1: to those inconsistencies that Robin will Lyinski with w SB 43 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: was just describing, which are all true, Crossland then explains 44 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: that she says, well, at the beginning of the evening, 45 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: she was sleeping, uh next to me, and then she 46 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: moved to the other mattress or vice versa in the 47 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: middle of the night. And yes, she had on a 48 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: pink shirt, but then she changed it when she went 49 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: to the bathroom. Maybe she would I don't know, but 50 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: she tried to explain away those circumstances. It seemingly changed 51 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: Art Harris at the beginning the dad is it an 52 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: airtight alibi? Misty told me and I said several times. 53 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: She got up hurting noise about three am, went out 54 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: to see maybe Ny was coming home early, but she 55 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 1: had called She called him when she found Hailey was missing. 56 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: As you said, the door was propped open. Suddenly Ronald 57 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: drives up um some work about you know, early in 58 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: the morning, and she says, you know, I've been trying 59 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: to call you thirty times you didn't answer, um, so 60 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: there is there's a question here. He She says he 61 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: wasn't all that upset, but then of course he changes 62 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: and accuses her of doing something uh with his daughter. 63 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: Why amn't you watching her? We've heard all the accusations 64 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: go back and forth, and law enforcement has has been 65 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 1: focusing on, of course Missy the last person to be 66 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: with her uh and trying to get her to give 67 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: up whoever else may have been involved. Well, it's interesting 68 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: that she says are that she woke up at three 69 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: a m. That night in a real, really odd twist. 70 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: Mark class with me who knows only too well the 71 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: pain of missing a child. Mark the founder of Class 72 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: Kids Foundation victims advocate Mark, I want you to listen 73 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: to the dad Ronald Cummings with Misty the girlfriend on 74 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:12,719 Speaker 1: the NBC Today Show a day after they married. Listen. 75 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: Haley disappeared a little over a month ago, and since then, 76 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: you've spoken to the media, you've taken a polygraph task. 77 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: Both of you have opened up to us to see, um, 78 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,160 Speaker 1: where Haley lived, give us a better sense of her. 79 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: None of that could have been easy for either one 80 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,039 Speaker 1: of you. What so, why did you want to come 81 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: here today. What are you hoping to accomplish, Ronald? To 82 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,600 Speaker 1: get the focus back on My daughter is missing? My 83 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: five year old girl is gone and I want to 84 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: find her. Where. Do you think the focus has changed 85 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: when you say get the focus back on her? I 86 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: think they've changed to my personal life and being married 87 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: and everything else, when they should be focusing on my 88 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: five year old daughter. Do you think the police have 89 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: done an adequate job searching for her, Ronald? Are you 90 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: comfortable with the job they have done so far? So 91 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: far you are? Have they said anything to you about 92 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: any possible leads at all? Nothing? Uh? Michelle just referenced 93 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: your son be a four year old son. And the 94 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: fact that he said that somebody, a man dressed in black, 95 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: had taken Haley out of the trailer that night she disappeared. 96 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: Did he tell that to either one of you? Missy, 97 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: you were there at the time. Did he say anything 98 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: to you at the time? Nothing? Neither. I think this 99 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: is some of the garbage that Geraldo and Crystal my 100 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: Mother's maide up. But I'm just gonna leave that in that. Oh, 101 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: so you don't even believe that Ronald Jr. Said this 102 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:40,279 Speaker 1: at all. I don't know. I wasn't at home that work. 103 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:46,279 Speaker 1: You can't sell you honestly, you were there, Missy, and 104 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: I know when Ronald just said that the focus has 105 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 1: been removed from from his daughter a little bit, that 106 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: you also care very deeply for to other people. A 107 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: lot of the focus has now been on you and 108 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 1: the police saying that you walked out of a meeting 109 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: they were having with you, walked away. Why what happened? 110 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: You stopped talking? Tell us what happened. Something must have 111 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: upset you. There was a new um, the guy that 112 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: was new to the case, and I didn't feel comfortable 113 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: with him. He was just being very rude to me. 114 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: And I told John Merchant and that a same attorneys. 115 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: I will talk to them, but I wasn't going to 116 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: talk to me. What was he doing? What was he saying? 117 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: He was just like being rude, like going and pretty 118 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: much Tommy, I'm a liar. So he was accusing you 119 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: of lying to him. Yeah, let me let's go back 120 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: through you both and you both clear. They said to 121 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:41,760 Speaker 1: you you have passed the polygraph test. I think part 122 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 1: of the problem has been mistied that there has been 123 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: a certain number of inconsistencies, inconsistencies, or what's perceived to 124 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: be inconsistencies. Because you first said that Haley wasn't bed 125 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: with you, then you said she was on the mattress 126 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: next to you. This is an opportunity to clarify. You've 127 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: had time to think through what happened that night. Can 128 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: you walk us through it one more time? Missed your 129 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: best recollection of what happened the night Haley disappeared. I 130 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: put her to bed at eight o'clock. I was washing 131 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: my blanket are blankets, and after that was done, I 132 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: put her blanket over her. She was sleeping when I 133 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: put her blanket on her. Was she in the bed? 134 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: That she was in her bed, her bed in her bed, 135 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: and Junior was in the bed with me. And it 136 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,239 Speaker 1: was about I don't know what time, about ten o'clock. 137 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: I finally laiter and I I went to sleep. I woke 138 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: up at three and I noticed that I got up 139 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: to use the bathroom, and I noticed the kitchen light 140 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 1: was on. So I walked in the kitchen and that's 141 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: when I sent the back door open, so I burned 142 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: back to my grad room. She got my phone to 143 00:08:43,160 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: call Ronald, and that's when I noted s Handy was gone, 144 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: and so you called Ronald. And then Ronald, did you 145 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: come home at at shortly or after three o'clock in 146 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: the morning. You're saying, yeah, I was pulling on the 147 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: driveway and just home from my shift at work. So 148 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: why were there into Okay, help help me Houtnesty. Why 149 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: were there inconsistencies? Why did you say one thing one 150 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: time and one time the other, one thing the other. Yeah, 151 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, but you but you know you did 152 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: do that and you're not sure why. Yeah, and then 153 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: yesterday you guys got married in the midst of all this. 154 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: Why was that an important thing, Ronald for you to do? 155 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that my little girl would 156 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: have wanted it. I would have rather have to have 157 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: been there. So obviously when we get her back and 158 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: we will do much larger, better waying. But um, we're 159 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: just that that's still drawing and focus off of Haley. 160 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,319 Speaker 1: We need to be focused on Haley and not what 161 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 1: I'm doing in my personal life. But can you understand 162 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: and why some people might be confused by it? Or 163 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,719 Speaker 1: do do you accept that? Or I don't understand why 164 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 1: it's any of anybody else's business, to be honest with you, 165 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:13,440 Speaker 1: nobody's business what I do in my personal life. I 166 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:17,320 Speaker 1: go to work, I support my family. I don't know 167 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: what my personal wife has to do with national TV. 168 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: My daughter is missing and that's why I has to 169 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: do a national TV. We need to get my daughter's 170 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: face back on TV and get her found. She cared 171 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: very much for mistake. Yes, absolutely. Is there anything else 172 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: that you would like to say at all? In case 173 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: somebody is out there who might know something. Um, if 174 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: you know something, please call the crime stoppers or the 175 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:53,440 Speaker 1: any local sheriff's office. And if my little girl is watching, 176 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: maybe I love him in the stag as you sit here, 177 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: do you believe in your heart that they see you 178 00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 1: as a suspect? No, I don't. I don't know. That's 179 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 1: absolutely detective His name is John Merchant, and he said 180 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: he doesn't think that she's a suspect. Okay, you were 181 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: hearing both Ronald Cummings and girlfriend turned wife Mr Croslin 182 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: speaking to Meredith Vieira, our friend on NBC's Today's Show, 183 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: to Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation, who knows 184 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: the pay firsthand of losing a daughter. Mark Class, of course, 185 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: the babysitter girlfriend now wife is a suspect. She's the 186 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 1: last one there. She changed her story. Yeah, that's absolutely true, Nancy. 187 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: But on the other hand, the father, I think is 188 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: very consistent with the father who desperately is looking for 189 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: his child. He might seem emotionally stunted, but he he 190 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: wants to keep the focus on finding his on finding 191 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 1: his daughter. Um. I think he's incorrect and saying that 192 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 1: people have no business looking into his personal life because 193 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: I think that that they're mitigating circumstances there. But I 194 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: don't think that he was involved in the disappearance, and 195 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:18,560 Speaker 1: I think those questions about Missy are still looming. They 196 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: are now. I agree with you, Mark, classes I so 197 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: often do. There is no way Ronald Cummings was involved 198 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: with this. I have met him many many times, spoken 199 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: to him at length about his daughter's disappearance, and I 200 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 1: believe he's completely innocent of that. Now, the Misty Crawlson 201 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: is a whole another can of worms, as far as 202 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: I'm concerned. For those of you just joining us, the 203 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 1: tip line to help find Helly Cummings is three eight 204 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: six three to nine zero eight hundred repeat three eight 205 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: six three to nine zero, eight hundred. The parents of 206 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: this five year old little girl snatched out of her 207 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: bed made emotional please ease to bring her home. Healey 208 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:07,160 Speaker 1: Cummings kidnapped from her bedroom early morning hours on a 209 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: Tuesday morning as she slept right there next to her 210 00:13:10,880 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: two year old little brother, Ronald Cummings Junior. And what 211 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: sparked so much interest in the case as someone was 212 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: actually home at the time, Misty Crossland Police there in 213 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: Florida and Home Assassa, Florida have launched a massive hunt 214 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: for her and immediately started tracking down nearly fifty sex 215 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: offenders who live near her and set Suma, Florida. That's 216 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,199 Speaker 1: another issue, Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation, Mark 217 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:50,559 Speaker 1: in this area of set Suma, it is extremely small. 218 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: It's about the size of my little community where I 219 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: grew up, a couple of thousand people. That really narrows 220 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: down the potential kidnapper. Yeah, there's no question about But 221 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: as far as the sex offenders go, Nancy, you know, 222 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 1: they're just short of a million registered sex offenders in 223 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: the United States right now, and I would challenge anybody 224 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: to find a community where you're not going to have 225 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: people living within a mile or two of you that 226 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: have been committed of some of these kinds of crimes. Now, 227 00:14:18,640 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: as far as as as who took this little girl, 228 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: there's no doubt that who took this child as somebody 229 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 1: that was familiar with the family, familiar with the child. 230 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: We just don't know who that individual was, or individuals were, 231 00:14:33,520 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: or the motivation behind the crime. Take a listen now 232 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: to the urgent nine one one call, can't find what? Okay? 233 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: What's your address? Three mean? What's the new miracle? Me? 234 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 1: Call up the number green Lane? Yes? 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What is the brick? 261 00:16:50,280 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: It's almost almost walk and there was a brick laying there, stool, Holy, 262 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 1: we got him coming, come, we got him coming. Okay. 263 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: What's the color of your house, ma'am? Blue? Okay? Yeah? Oh, 264 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: bo okay? What what does she look like? How tall 265 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: is she? Give me some description? Ever? Like long? You cool? Curled? What? 266 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: What color? Oh okay, what did you think? Round hair? 267 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: H okay? How tall is she about? For? How much 268 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: does she waiting at that? About? How tall? And how 269 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: much does she weigh? Quite like? I don't know, like 270 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: she's not Okay, wait tell and tell your husband we 271 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: got him coming. Okay, okay, how much sushi? Way? Do 272 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: you know how much doshi wagh like? Forty to sixty towns? Yeah? Okay, 273 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: let me get your name and phone number. Name, tell 274 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: your last name to Ashley Willcott, Atlanta. You and I 275 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: all judge found a child crime watch dot com. You 276 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: hear her on the nine one one call. That is 277 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: the babysitter slash girlfriend turned wife. What do you make 278 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: of it? Ashley? Oh my god, this one makes me 279 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 1: sick because I have no doubt in my mind. I'm 280 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: telling you I said it here. She knows what happened 281 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: to that child. Even if she didn't kill the child, 282 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: which she might have, she knows. I find that to me, 283 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 1: there's no I've done this such a long time. I 284 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: found no credibility in that call. The way she sounds, 285 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,720 Speaker 1: I just don't believe that she doesn't know what happened 286 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: to this child. I want you to take a Listen 287 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: to what Misty Crossing and her mother Lisa Crawls and 288 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 1: have to say in a secretly recorded phone call that 289 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: we got our hands on and oh yes, they are 290 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: blasting me because I'm looking into the disappearance of Helly Commings. Listen, 291 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: they're recording everything I'll do. I mean, how how how 292 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 1: can we not see each other? We are not codefended. 293 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: And I think Nanty gray Uh need to keep her 294 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: mouse shut until she knows the fact, saying I'll kind 295 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: of create the crowd all about you and Hayley and 296 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: it boys. It is. Then they find out what happened 297 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: to Hayley, everything would be different. I know, I can't 298 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: believe they will. Don't believe, you know, I know it's 299 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: quite you think because they got my bard that's so 300 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: high just because of that, and that's not fair. That 301 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with it. I know that that's 302 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: exactly what it is. That's what they think I'm gonna break. 303 00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: There's nothing to break me on, so they need to 304 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: leave me alone. That was a secular recorded phone call 305 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: of Misty Crosland speaking to her mom Lisa Crosland. You 306 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: know what, Karen Stark, New York psychologist renowned joining me. 307 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,719 Speaker 1: You know, there's the old saying you're known by your enemies. 308 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: If you just even listened to that phone call. I 309 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: remember she's talking to her mom and she's claiming that 310 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: she's innocent. So that makes me believe when you listen 311 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: to that, that perhaps she saw somebody. I think that 312 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: what actually said, it's true. She knows what happens. So 313 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: either somehow accidentally, you know, she killed this little girl, 314 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,280 Speaker 1: or she knows who might have done it. She saw 315 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: and she's going to stick to her story. That's what 316 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: I hear from there. And it's so easy for them 317 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: to blame you because you are really making an attempt 318 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: to figure out what happened there, and it doesn't end there. 319 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: They are fixated on me investigating the case they be 320 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: they should be worried about where's helly listen to that? 321 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 1: That's my own integrade. She said that y'all are eating 322 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: better than her, that she felt three Chicken NC nuggets 323 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 1: in her car. She just don't even have a clue. Yeah, 324 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: she's ridiculous. She wished she would eat. We were eating 325 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: better than her. People in general eat better than Nancy Grady. 326 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: That's stupid. I know because she grew. I can't standers 327 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: all she doesn't want to get and I would go 328 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: on her show. I would go on her show, but 329 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: I would be afraid I will go to jail. I'm 330 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: telling you if I would come about her, her kidding 331 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 1: out the same way. So there they are, but this 332 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: time tomorrow Class Class Kids Foundation founder and victims advocate. 333 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: I remember looking at their gail house menu one night 334 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: and what Mr Crossly was having after she had a 335 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: drug arrest, and they were eating something like um fried 336 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: chicken and potato salad I can't remember, but sounded and 337 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: cake cake, yeah, and it sounded really good. And that 338 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: particular day, I had nothing but hot tea in the 339 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: morning and I had driven through. Okay, call me a 340 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: bad mom. I don't know where we went. I guess 341 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: Chick fil A and got nuggets for the children, and 342 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: they dropped something so sucky. I ate them off the floor, 343 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: but I was so won me. I scooped them up 344 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: and ate them on the way to work, and I 345 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: mentioned that they're eating better than me. And she won't 346 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: tell me what happened to the baby. That's not right. 347 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: And so instead of focusing on what can we do 348 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: now to find Healey. Maybe we should a B C 349 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: or D. They're all crazy because I published They're jail 350 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: me you that night. Yeah, it's really a problem. Mac. 351 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: I remember in our situation that the rumors were running 352 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: rampant um that Pauli was taken as as revenge for 353 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: some kind of a drug deal gone wrong, because I 354 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,720 Speaker 1: was supposedly a drug kingpin somewhere in the Bay Area. 355 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: And you know, that was just sort of the tip 356 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 1: of the iceberg. A lot of rumors swirl in in 357 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: situations like this, But if you're the parent of the child, 358 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: or if you're one of the principles involved in the middle, 359 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: you have to do what Ron said earlier when he 360 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: was speaking to Meredith Vieira. You have to get the 361 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,159 Speaker 1: focus back on the child and where is the child. 362 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,320 Speaker 1: You don't dwell on yourself and rumors that are being 363 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: swirled around about yourself. And another thing, Nancy is I 364 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: couldn't eat when Paully was missing. I couldn't eat. Over 365 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: the course of the sixty five days we searched for her, 366 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 1: I lost well over thirty pounds, And again every time 367 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: somebody would try to change the focus bring it to 368 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: something else. It was always no, no, no, this is 369 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: not about me. This is about Paully. You have issues 370 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,480 Speaker 1: with me, will deal with that after we bring my 371 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: child home. And that's exactly the opposite of the way 372 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,960 Speaker 1: Missy is handling herself in this situation. You know that 373 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 1: is really interesting, Mark Class I didn't know that about 374 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: you losing weight when Polly went missing. I remember after him, 375 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: my fiancee was murdered, I lost down to eighty nine pounds. 376 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: The smell of food just made me sick, absolutely straight 377 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: out to you. Aunt, Harris, Crime stories, investigative reporter and 378 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: award winning journalists are Harris. Right now, we still don't 379 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: have the answer to what happened to Halley Cummings. I 380 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 1: want to go back to that night. Now that we 381 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,479 Speaker 1: know the girlfriend, the living girlfriend, Mr Crawlson, had been 382 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: using drugs, does that change things specifically about who else 383 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: may have been in that home while the dad, Ronald Cummings, 384 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: was at work. What's interesting is what came out later. First, 385 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you the first person Misty called before 386 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: nine one one was her mother, and Lisa Caslin told 387 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,439 Speaker 1: me that herself. Um, and so that raises a question. 388 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: But after that Nancy, she began having some memories of 389 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 1: a dream, do you remember that? And her lawyer told 390 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: me that in fact, she was hiding under a blanket 391 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: and recall some shadowy figures in the house that night, 392 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 1: and she was totally frightened and held on tight to 393 00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: a little boy under the blanket and doesn't know what 394 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: happened to Haley, but somebody came in and she knew it, 395 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: and she told police later that that was the next 396 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: story that unfolded. Aren't Harris? What am I hearing correctly? 397 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: Because this sounds just like O. J. Simpson's dream where 398 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:23,840 Speaker 1: he dreamed about what happened to Nicole Brown, his dead wife. 399 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: And Ron Goldman. I've had so many defendants to have 400 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: a dream, so they're either killers or their clear voyant. 401 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: Aren't Harris? That's right? Well, what later happened is other 402 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: people were determined to have been in the house that night, 403 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 1: including her brother Tommy Cousland. And you know, the story 404 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: that unfolded was that someone had a grudge against the 405 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: father because they had a gun. He had a gun 406 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: they wanted and in lieu of haying back some money 407 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: that was owed, and so they came to the house 408 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,880 Speaker 1: that night and looked for this expensive machine gun which 409 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 1: what they couldn't find and took Kaylee instead. And that 410 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: was a mystery cousin out of Tennessee. The story has 411 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: been debunked since then. But there were other people in 412 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: the house that night, and police have suddenly begun to 413 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: focus on them at the time. Anyway, So you have 414 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: a family that is covering up for each other. Well 415 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,359 Speaker 1: I mean that story though, Are Harris that some cousin 416 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,680 Speaker 1: came looking for his gun? That that's b s because 417 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,120 Speaker 1: if that were true, that cousin would have been tracked 418 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 1: down and dragged back to the jurisdiction and the truth 419 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: would have come out. So does some unknown cousin looking 420 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,400 Speaker 1: for a weapon sounds like be us to me. However, 421 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: what you're saying about it proves other people were in 422 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 1: the home sounds true. And I'll tell you what sounds 423 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 1: like another load of bs? Is her having a so 424 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 1: called dream? Aren't Harris? Aren't Harris investigated the case thoroughly 425 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:13,000 Speaker 1: right alongside the police. Take a listen to what hell 426 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: is relative tales? Aren't Harris about Haley? And it is 427 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: a very precious little girl. She is Grandma's angel, daddy's hard. Um, 428 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: she's tiny, she's fatigue. She loves to sing, she loves 429 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: to make up, she likes to address, she loves to 430 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: color and paint. She is very good at school. Wow, 431 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: they're just so many amazing things about Haley. What are 432 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:45,239 Speaker 1: some things that you you would really like doing with her? 433 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,520 Speaker 1: And you like doing with her? Grandma? What does she 434 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,959 Speaker 1: call you? She calls me grandma. Yeah. And we love 435 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: to paint together, and she likes to give him all 436 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: that water paint. We love to do makeup because she 437 00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: can make me look like a clown and I don't care. 438 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: She loves to paint my nails because she paints from 439 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: one end to the other, and that's fine with me. 440 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: Tell me explain. I can easily explain that I have 441 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:15,239 Speaker 1: never seen my grandchildren more happy in their lives than 442 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: they have been with Ronald and Misty. They are ecstatic, 443 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: they are always smiling, they're always playing. They are to me, 444 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: it was an extreme joy to see them like a 445 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: little family, always doing things together. My babies loved her. 446 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: I mean, they absolutely wanted Ronald to marry her so 447 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: she could be mommy. You've met a lot of the 448 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: Ronald's girlfriends and fiances And how does Misty rank in 449 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: your mind? Uh? To my knowledge, Ronald's only ever had 450 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: one other fiance, and uh, some of the girl friends, 451 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: Misty is at the very top of the list. I 452 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: can tell you that, absolutely, she takes better care of 453 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: the children than anyone I'd first seen with them. Um. 454 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: They love her. Um. But you just can'tot. You would 455 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: have to see it to actually enjoy it. Touches your heart? 456 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: How happy that are? Take? You know? I can't help 457 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: but wonder Robyn Malinsky, ws B reporter, does that relative 458 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: know about the drug? Definitely not. It sounds like a 459 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: lot of nonsense to me. It sounds like a big 460 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,800 Speaker 1: cover up. I'll tell you, Nancy this this case. Having 461 00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: lived in Florida during the Casey Anthony trial, this what 462 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: could have happened here is that Misty maybe maybe the 463 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: little girl three years old acted up, Maybe she hit her, 464 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: hit her in the head, Maybe she had a brain bleed, 465 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,920 Speaker 1: maybe she died. Maybe she got into mommy's drugs or 466 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: you know, a prescription something that could have been in 467 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: the in the closet passed away and it was the 468 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: whole cover up, Just like in the Casey Anthony Case. 469 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,200 Speaker 1: I think that all these mystery figures coming in and out, 470 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: I think that's one nice theory, but I think it 471 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 1: could be much simpler. I think it could be Misty 472 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: either hitting the child or the child, you know, overdosing 473 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: on something, and the rest of it is all nonsense 474 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: and a cover up by the grandmother. Robin, you know, 475 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,239 Speaker 1: you have something. Their sources were telling me abous Art 476 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 1: Harris that when Misty took the children to a clinic 477 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: and the little boy was not very cooperative, she would 478 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: kind of violently yank him along and was yelling. So 479 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: there was another side of that, and the fact that 480 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: they were doing drugs. It shows that there was that brittle, 481 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: uh you know, ten side that perhaps they had when 482 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: they were coming down off off these drugs or were 483 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 1: strung out. Five year old Heay Cummings goes missing in 484 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,240 Speaker 1: her Florida home. The case still open with me, Mark Class, 485 00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, Karen Stark, Aunt Harris, and Robin Willinski. Take 486 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: a listen, I meany of you been asking where's Helly's mom? 487 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,520 Speaker 1: Take a listen to what the mother, Crystal Sheffield tells 488 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 1: me on h M. Sheffield, what are the police theories 489 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 1: right now, what are they telling you? They haven't really 490 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: told us nothing like they're just they just said they're 491 00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: gonna keep searching they haven't found anything. Or how often 492 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 1: Crystal Sheffield do you see her? And why does she 493 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 1: end up being with him? I see him every two weeks. 494 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 1: I picked them up on Friday at six and return 495 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: them on Sunday at six. When me and Ronald split up, 496 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: I had the children with me and I didn't have 497 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: the heart to keep them from him, and I let 498 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: him come get him and he was supposed to return 499 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: them to me, and he never did. And then he 500 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:10,360 Speaker 1: went to the courthouse and filed for temporary custody and 501 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,560 Speaker 1: the first court date was sent out to address in 502 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 1: Jacksonville and it was a bogus address. I never lived there, 503 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: so I missed that court date. And then when we 504 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:40,280 Speaker 1: went for the custody here and they just I feel 505 00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: like they just blew me off. But they said they 506 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: gave him custody because it was the best interest for 507 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: the children. So it seems to me to Mark Class, 508 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids Foundation and child advocate, this little 509 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: girl never had a chance. Nobody was watching out for her. Well, 510 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,479 Speaker 1: that's exactly what we were all saying at the time, Nancy, 511 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: is that Hailey Cummings was a little girl that that 512 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,600 Speaker 1: never had a chance. I mean, she was just surrounded 513 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: by a culture that really didn't give her an opportunity 514 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 1: to succeed in life. There were too many obstacles in 515 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: the way. There were all the dysfunctional relationships, There were 516 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: all of the drugs, there was all of the poverty, 517 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: and it was just an untenable situation for a five 518 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: year old girl to try to navigate and lead a 519 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: productive life. To Art Harris, aren't do police believe that 520 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 1: she could still be alive, Emily, Nancy. The all the 521 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: indications are is that she is not. It has been 522 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:49,880 Speaker 1: declared a homicide, and we have heard other stories about 523 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: what happened that night, and that she may have been 524 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: put in the river if you were called and by 525 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: those shadowy figures. And one of the people who knows 526 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: is supposedly her brother, Tommy Croslin, who also has come 527 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: under great suspicion. A house was searched and a mysterious 528 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: yellow rope was found in his car that some believe 529 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: had to do played into uh the nights uh uh 530 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: nesarious activities. Now. I don't know if you want to 531 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: go back to what happened the weekend before, but that's 532 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 1: something to talk about. Two leading up to that weekend, 533 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:39,040 Speaker 1: leading up to her disappearance, Ronald and Misty had been 534 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: having words and in fact physical altercations. Misty told me 535 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: that she was really fed up and she left. She 536 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: walked away only to be picked up by a girlfriend 537 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: named they May, and they went off and partied with 538 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: a guy who I interview on my website, Art Harris 539 00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,200 Speaker 1: dot com. His nickname is white Boy Greg, who tells 540 00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: me they did drugs that weekend and when she went 541 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: home she was pretty strung out and Ronald was angry. 542 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: So when she took the kids to school the next day, um, 543 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 1: they were late number one, and she looked very distraught. Uh. 544 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,560 Speaker 1: And of course if you were home and you would 545 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: have been coming down from drugs and the kids are 546 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,960 Speaker 1: bad or nagging, you don't know what happened. So flash 547 00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: four that night is when Ronald comes back, and what 548 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,719 Speaker 1: has been going on during the day we don't know, 549 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: but we know Mystery is back from her revenge romance 550 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,120 Speaker 1: and he cannot be very happy. So we know that 551 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:41,920 Speaker 1: there was a lot of upheaval within the home just 552 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,440 Speaker 1: before she goes missing. Karen start renewed New York psychologist, 553 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: How does that play to her disappearance? Well, it makes 554 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: you realize, Nancy, that there was so much chaos and 555 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 1: um tumultuousness surrounding her, and in in children what you 556 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,759 Speaker 1: need more than any in the structure and discipline, and 557 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,120 Speaker 1: knowing that certain things are going to happen at certain times. 558 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: They're not capable of understanding all of that confusion, and 559 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 1: it just makes you realize that things were it was 560 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,800 Speaker 1: sort of gathering to be a perfect storm. Take a 561 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: listen to what Ronald Cummings tells me on chel End. 562 00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: Mr Cummings, you and your family are in so many 563 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: prayers across the country right now. Please tell us what 564 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 1: happened when you got home from work that night. I 565 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 1: believe it was around three am, Actually it was about three. 566 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 1: Uh pulled into the yard and my girlfriend opened the 567 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 1: front door, and I already knew something was wrong because 568 00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: she's not up at this time. Um. She told me, 569 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,799 Speaker 1: I said, what are you doing up at this time? 570 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:01,319 Speaker 1: She said, your back doors wide opening, your daughter's gone. 571 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 1: What is her description? What scenario took place. She got 572 00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: out of the bed and went to use the restroom 573 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: and came back to find that my daughter was not 574 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:25,520 Speaker 1: InVID with her. Okay, what time did you openly? And 575 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,240 Speaker 1: she was gone? Ronald? What time did she put Haley 576 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 1: to bed? She puts in the bed every night at 577 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: eight o'clock, eight o'clock when she put when she put 578 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,879 Speaker 1: her to bed at eight o'clock, did she also put 579 00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:48,720 Speaker 1: to bed the little four year old boy? Yes, she did. Okay. 580 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:54,440 Speaker 1: What time did she go to bed? Um? Approximately ten 581 00:38:54,960 --> 00:39:00,080 Speaker 1: eleven eleven? At that time, was little Haley in the 582 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: bed asleep with the brother? Yes? And they all slept 583 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: together in the same bed. Correct. Yes, So sometime between 584 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: eleven PM and three thirty a m. Haley goes missing. 585 00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: Now did she call nine one one? No? She did not, 586 00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,680 Speaker 1: not until after I was there. She tried to call me, 587 00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:32,319 Speaker 1: but I was pulling in the driveway, so I asked 588 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: her how come she was trying to call me? She 589 00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: needed to call No. One one, so she immediately called him. Then, 590 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:45,840 Speaker 1: Mr Cummings, where does Haley's mother live in Baker County 591 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,360 Speaker 1: in Glen Sat Mary? What is that about a hundred 592 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: and fifty miles away. Um, I would say approxim Now, 593 00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:03,239 Speaker 1: have you and your girlfriend taken a polygraph? Right? Yes, 594 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: I have passed those line colors. Yes, she has, and 595 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 1: you volunteered to do that. And you've been cooperating with police, 596 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:15,720 Speaker 1: right yeah? Why not? Why why? I don't have anything 597 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,960 Speaker 1: to hide. I just want my daughter back. Anything that's 598 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,759 Speaker 1: going to help them eliminate more people with. But the 599 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:26,239 Speaker 1: best thing, exactly, Mr Cummings, you said the door was 600 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,120 Speaker 1: propped open. Described to me what you saw when you 601 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:36,040 Speaker 1: got home. Came in the house and immediately checked all 602 00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:40,040 Speaker 1: the visirooms, the bathroom, everywhere, just to be sure, and 603 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,879 Speaker 1: walked to the back door. It was wide open. As 604 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 1: I walked out the back door, the screen door was 605 00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,759 Speaker 1: brought boping with a center block. You know. Interesting to 606 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,879 Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott, juvenile judge found her a child crime watch 607 00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,000 Speaker 1: dot com. I believe Ronald Cummings. I did from the 608 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: very beginning. You know, You've always said that, and I 609 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,719 Speaker 1: he sounds very credible on all the pieces that I've 610 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,200 Speaker 1: heard in the times that you've interviewed him. Here's what 611 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: nobody's mentioned, though. I think the other thing to keep 612 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:10,279 Speaker 1: in mind is I see so many times parents who 613 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: use drugs sell their kids and they sell them for drugs. 614 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 1: And so who's to say that the mother didn't say, oh, here, 615 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,760 Speaker 1: you can take her, you can have her, you can borrow. 616 00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:21,680 Speaker 1: She didn't care. She wanted to get high, she wanted drugs. 617 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,040 Speaker 1: So she may not know exactly what happened after the 618 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,400 Speaker 1: child might have been taken from the house, but clearly 619 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 1: something nefarious happened, and she, you know, may have just said, hey, 620 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: I want the drugs, take my child. We are talking 621 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,359 Speaker 1: about the disappearance of a beautiful little five year old girl, 622 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:46,440 Speaker 1: a Florida girl, Healey Cummings. She's never been found. The 623 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: tip line three eight six three to nine zero eight hundred. 624 00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:57,080 Speaker 1: So to you aren't Harris, Where does the case stand now? Well, 625 00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,319 Speaker 1: if you remember natually what happened, police and sat Soon 626 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: of Florida, Platte County put the focus on the family 627 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:13,840 Speaker 1: and arrested Misty, Ronald her brother and charged them with 628 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: drug distribution. There now in prison, all of them in 629 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,319 Speaker 1: different places. During a lot of years. Missy it got 630 00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: twenty five years, tried to get her sentence reduced two 631 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:29,279 Speaker 1: years ago, and it's going to stand at Ronald is 632 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,879 Speaker 1: doing fifteen years for trafficking, and so it's her brother 633 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:38,440 Speaker 1: Tommy in another prison. They are hoping that someone will crack, 634 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,840 Speaker 1: will say something, and so far nothing that I know 635 00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:45,960 Speaker 1: of Nancy. We do know this. After her disappearance, the 636 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:51,320 Speaker 1: Sheriff's office released a statement saying the investigation is ongoing, 637 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: that they have learned through the investigation they minimize the 638 00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: likelihood that Haley's disappearance is the work of stranger and 639 00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:06,919 Speaker 1: those who know what happened still won't repeat it. Mark 640 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,279 Speaker 1: class I think that's pretty clear. What do you make 641 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,839 Speaker 1: of it? Well, now, I believe that at some point 642 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 1: in time somebody will crack. Remember the Holly Bubble situation 643 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,760 Speaker 1: it was. It was similar in a lot of ways. 644 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 1: It was a rural situation. The people that did it 645 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,759 Speaker 1: were heavily invested in drugs, and it was only a 646 00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:29,280 Speaker 1: matter of time before somebody finally cracked. And I suspect 647 00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:31,800 Speaker 1: that will happen in this case as well. You know, 648 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:35,680 Speaker 1: you're right, that happens so often, Karen start. I find 649 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,920 Speaker 1: it very difficult to believe that whoever took or killed 650 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:45,640 Speaker 1: Helly Cummings can stay quiet forever well, and especially that 651 00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,880 Speaker 1: there are so many people that are in jail, someone 652 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:52,400 Speaker 1: is going to say something to somebody, brag about it, 653 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: or let people know that they're they're in on it. 654 00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: And we can only hope, Nancy, that at is what happened, 655 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 1: because so much of the time in this particular story, 656 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,200 Speaker 1: the focus is on what the personal life was like, 657 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,000 Speaker 1: the drugs they were taking, and it goes away from 658 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,719 Speaker 1: the fact that this little girl has been missing for 659 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: so long. I remember doing the case with you. That 660 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 1: was a long time ago. So we have to hope 661 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 1: that somebody stoves the beans here and it was a 662 00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,160 Speaker 1: very Nancy. The other another thing law enforcement up against 663 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:31,560 Speaker 1: Nancy is the players. At least those in this little 664 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 1: circle have proven to be totally untrustworthy. They have flunked 665 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,160 Speaker 1: at least Mystery has four polygraphs. Tommy has flunked his. 666 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,160 Speaker 1: And so you're gonna need more than one word or 667 00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,400 Speaker 1: two or three against another. You've got to have DNA, 668 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,360 Speaker 1: you've got to have a body, You've got to have 669 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:54,880 Speaker 1: something that shows whoever is giving up information is worthy 670 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,920 Speaker 1: of belief and perhaps a reduced sentence by the results, 671 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,400 Speaker 1: and that means bringing Haley home. That is going to 672 00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,799 Speaker 1: be the challenge to Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation. Mark. 673 00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:11,480 Speaker 1: The home is very small from where she disappeared, okay, 674 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,279 Speaker 1: and she was, you know, just feet away from Mr 675 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,719 Speaker 1: Crosland when she is allegedly taken from her bed. We're 676 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,880 Speaker 1: talking about five year old Haaey Cummings last scene alive 677 00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 1: at her small home in Putnam County, UH, the small 678 00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:32,680 Speaker 1: town of sets Suma. So what does that mean to you, 679 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,839 Speaker 1: Mark Class As far as who may have disposed of her, well, 680 00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:40,160 Speaker 1: a couple of things. Number One, I agree that this 681 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:42,800 Speaker 1: has got nothing at all to do with the stranger. 682 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,239 Speaker 1: This is something that happened within this very small drug 683 00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:51,560 Speaker 1: infested community. 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