1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: Well, we'll come to your city. Way I gets saying 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 1: you a consis will all be desire high little tell 3 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: and if you want a little banging again, here I 4 00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 1: come along. That when it comes to whistleblowers, you were 5 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: not entitled to it. That's an individuation of mister Allen. 6 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: Mister these individuals have been determined not to be whistle blowers. 7 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: These are not whistleblowers. They've been determined by the agency 8 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: not to be whistleblowers. And I'm proud of the progress 9 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: my administration has made. We reduced the deficit in the 10 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: first two years by one point seven trillion dollars in 11 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: the first two years. I wish we could have just 12 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: a normal human being as president. 13 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 2: That's what I want to afredom is that style. Welcome 14 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,559 Speaker 2: to the revolution. 15 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 1: Coming to your site, going the way against us and 16 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: saying you a concert cell Sean Hennity Show on Freaking 17 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: News and more bold inspired solutions for America, And welcome 18 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: to the Sean Hannity Show on Greg Jarrett filling in 19 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: for Sean back now for my second hour. As I 20 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 1: mentioned earlier, you can follow me on Twitter at Greg Jarrett. 21 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: You can read my legal columns and other articles on 22 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: my website, Thegreg Jarrett dot com and listen to my 23 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: podcast The Brief. As I mentioned earlier, I do have 24 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: a new book coming out in just a few days. 25 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 1: It's called Trial of the Century, about a pivotal moment 26 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: in America where our cherish free speech rights were hanging 27 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: in the balance. America stood at the precipice. And you 28 00:01:50,960 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: can get that book by going to my website, Thegreg 29 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: jarrett dot com slash book. You can click on there 30 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: and order the book, or you can just go to 31 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: Amazon dot Combarnesendnoble dot com the usual places, or wait 32 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: until Tuesday when the book comes out. All right, big 33 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: news this week, lots of different topics, but politically or electorally, 34 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: we now have Ron DeSantis who has jumped into the 35 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: presidential sweep stakes on the Republican side, joining Tim Scott, 36 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:30,399 Speaker 1: Nikki Haley, Vivik Ramaswami, and of course Donald Trump. Depending 37 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: upon the poll you're looking at, Trump appears to be 38 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 1: substantially ahead, which is why my guest now joins me, 39 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: John McLaughlin. Our listeners, No, John, he's the head of 40 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: McLaughlin Associates, a premiere polling group in America and JOHNK. 41 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: Great to have you back. 42 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 3: Thank you, it's great to be here. And congratulations on 43 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 3: the new book. I look forward as I'm diving into 44 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 3: the first chapter, I look forward to finish reading it. 45 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 3: You like it, Ovar, yes, and for those of us 46 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 3: who advocate free speech and balance, it's a great thing. 47 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:08,800 Speaker 3: So so anyway, but congratulations on that. 48 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: And uh so let's talk about some of the polling 49 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: data here. Now, you you still pull for the Trump campaign. 50 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 3: Right right right, which is why I want your book 51 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 3: to al sell Ron DeSantis's books. 52 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: Well, you get out there and start selling. John. So, 53 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: here's the thing. Now that Ron DeSantis has jumped into 54 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: the race officially, does that automatically boost his poll numbers? 55 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 3: No, because it's it's a I mean, ever since election 56 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 3: day last year, he's been running and this is not 57 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 3: a surprise to anyone. And uh he's been on a 58 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: national book tour, he's been giving speeches, he's visited the 59 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 3: early swing states, he's positioned his legislative agenda in uh, 60 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 3: you know, in Florida to position that he's be a 61 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 3: good governor and he wants to do for America what 62 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 3: he's done for Florida. And in the process, I mean 63 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 3: granted full disclosure, I worked for President Trump and we 64 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 3: published a national poll and in January it was close, 65 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 3: I mean where Trump was leading a multi candidate field 66 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 3: in the primary forty three percent to Santus thirty one 67 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 3: Pence at five everybody else single digits and one on 68 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: one against Ron de Santas. Trump was leading fifty two 69 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: to forty. But then Donald Trump, a lot of people 70 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 3: weren't sure he was running, and all of a sudden, 71 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 3: he's out there and he's going to the Early States. 72 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 3: He went to North New Hampshire, went to South Carolina, 73 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,920 Speaker 3: he went to East Palestine. When nobody cared, when Joe 74 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 3: Biden didn't show up. He was out there taking care 75 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 3: of the workingmen and women of America. And so he's 76 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 3: been out their campaign and guess what, Biden Bragg decide 77 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 3: to indict him, and they indict him and his poll 78 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:50,720 Speaker 3: numbers go up. 79 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: This is the New York Manhattan District attorney who brought 80 00:04:54,360 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 1: this rather absurd indictment against Trump that failed to even 81 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: state an underlying crime, probably because none actually exists in 82 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: the law. It seems to me that people see this 83 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:15,039 Speaker 1: for what it is, what effect did that indictment itself 84 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 1: have on Trump's poll numbers? 85 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 2: Right? 86 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 3: And that's what I was getting at right now where 87 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 3: Donald Trump and the multi candidate field. In our last 88 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 3: national poll which we've put out at the beginning of 89 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 3: the month, Trump was leading fifty two percent of the vote, 90 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 3: so he's gone up significantly. DeSantis's vote was cut in 91 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,839 Speaker 3: half to sixteen. And then you had Mike Pence at six, 92 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 3: and you had vivid Ramaswami at four and Nikki halleot 93 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 3: four and one on one against DeSantis. Trump was leading 94 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 3: now sixty seven to twenty six. He's getting two thirds 95 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 3: of the national Republican price was going up. Yes, And 96 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: in Iowa, we did a survey that the Trump campaign 97 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 3: put out where in Iowa among likely caucus goers, Trump 98 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 3: was leading fifty four to twenty. So you've had this 99 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 3: situation where you know Desinas was coming in saying, oh, 100 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: Trump can't win again and I can win well. The 101 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 3: national polls since ever since Biden surrendered in Afghanistan, Trump's 102 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 3: been leading in the national polls one thousand likely voters. 103 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: We have Trump beating Joe Biden forty seven to forty three. 104 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 3: We never saw that in twenty sixteen for Trump, we 105 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 3: never saw it in twenty twenty. Both those races were 106 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 3: races where we were losing the national popular vote but 107 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 3: playing to win the battleground states. Now, in twenty sixteen, 108 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 3: we won the battleground states by seventy eight thousand votes 109 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 3: in three states, forty four thousand in Pennsylvania, twenty two 110 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 3: thousand in Wisconsin, ten thousand in Michigan. Got an electoral majority. 111 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty, out of the one hundred and sixty 112 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 3: million votes cast we lost. We lost Wisconsin by twenty 113 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 3: thousand votes. We lost Arizona by eleven thousand votes, in 114 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 3: Georgia by like ten thousand votes, So it was forty 115 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 3: four thousand votes for Rofflet. Now we're leading in the 116 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 3: national popular vote, not just my polls, but in the 117 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 3: real clear politics average of media polls that were often contesting. 118 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 3: They've got Trump leading Biden by a point and a half. 119 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 3: And you've got polls there like the Washington Post, ABC 120 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 3: Trump up seven over Biden. You've got Rastbuster reports, Trump 121 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 3: over seven, up seven over Biden over Biden overbarked Harvard Harris, 122 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 3: which is conducted by Mark Penn. Hillary Clinton's pollster, Trump's 123 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 3: leading by six points among registered vote seven points, and 124 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 3: so so and the economist you go of, they've got 125 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 3: us up to So the premise for DeSantis running that 126 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 3: I can win and I can be Trump without being Trump, 127 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 3: and I can win when he can't. That's not true. 128 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 3: And there's some fake polls that the that the uh 129 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: never Trumps were putting out that some of the Disanta's 130 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 3: people they were either skewed or they'd never put out 131 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 3: the top line or the methodology or the question. There's 132 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 3: no transparency because I'm sure this people at the Desanta 133 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 3: super pac who are waiting for the bank wires to 134 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 3: come in with one hundred million dollars so they can 135 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 3: spend that. But Donald Trump, you know, since January, has 136 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 3: been on fire in the polls. And if there was 137 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 3: an election today, Trump would be Biden in a landslide, right, 138 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 3: and Trump is the way ahead of the Republican. 139 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: So it was just yesterday I think I saw her, 140 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: Maybe it was today. I saw it on one of 141 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: the networks, cable networks. Oh, Trump would lose to Biden, 142 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: but Dessanta's would narrowly beat by Biden. Are those Is 143 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: that an outlier poll. 144 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 3: When you look at those polls, and Matt Kittle's written 145 00:08:37,240 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 3: about it for the Star Network, etc. When you look 146 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 3: at those polls and compare it to the twenty twenty 147 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 3: exit polls, the models, there's too many educated voters. They're 148 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 3: either short Republicans or short conservatives. And not that education 149 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 3: is a bad thing, but if you put more college people, 150 00:08:56,480 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 3: college educated voters in there and less working class voters 151 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 3: where Trump wins big among the working men and women, 152 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 3: then you're skewing the polls towards Biden away from Trump. 153 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 3: And so they did that where you say, hey, this poll, 154 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 3: the demographics are skewed. So they're doing this to manufacture 155 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 3: a poll that says Trump can't win into santus Ken 156 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 3: and it's not a reflection of the actual models of 157 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: a likely presidential turnout in those in those battleground states. 158 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: So, John, if Trump's poll numbers actually went up, I 159 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: think there was sort of a backlash against the Alvin 160 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: Bragg indictment against him, as I say, pretty clearly politically motivated. 161 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: You've got potentially some other legal actions against Trump. You've got, 162 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: you know, in Fulton County, Georgia. If Anny willis the 163 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 1: District Attorney seems bounded determined to do exactly what Bragg did. 164 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: She campaign on the promise of getting Trump, and you 165 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: know she tried to rig a special grand jury and 166 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: then had to go to a regular grand jury. And 167 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: sometime this summer, it's been reported there'll be yet another indictment. 168 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: You've got Jack Smith, the Special Council looking into January sixth, 169 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: as well as the mar A Lago documents in the 170 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: FBI raid, where you have essentially the Attorney General trying 171 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: to criminalize a civil statute, which is ludicrous in my judgment. 172 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 2: As a lawyer. 173 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: But what if those come to fruition. 174 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 3: We'll continue to go up. Because if you don't think 175 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: Donald Trump's ahead in the polls right now, just look 176 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 3: at those prosecutions coming from Biden and his political allies. 177 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 3: I mean they are I mean, when we ask voters 178 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 3: on April first, that we did a brushfire poll for 179 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 3: the Trump campaign, and when we ask them that is 180 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:57,040 Speaker 3: there a double standard of justice where the Biden family 181 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 3: escapes investigation and Trump is charged? Thirty three percent of 182 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 3: all voters in the United States agreed with us, and 183 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 3: have they has Biden weaponized the justice system? To prosecute 184 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 3: their political opponents. Forty eight percent agree, thirty nine disagree. Basically, 185 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 3: the voters say that the country's on the wrong track 186 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 3: seventy one percent sixty nine percent going backwards, but they 187 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: see this as a prosecution to stop Trump right from 188 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 3: running from running and winning for president again. 189 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: All right, I want to take a quick break when 190 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: we come back. I want to delve into the impact 191 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: of the Biden family corruption scandals, and in particular, and 192 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: I've long written that Biden appears to be in the 193 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: pocket of the Chinese Communist Party by virtue of the 194 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: millions of dollars that have flowed into Biden bank accounts. 195 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: I want to get your input on what Americans think 196 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: of that. My guest is John McLaughlin of McLaughlin Associates, 197 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: one of the best pollsters in America. I'm Greg Jarrett 198 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: filling in for Sean Hannity. This is the Sean Hannity Show. 199 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: I'll be right back in just a moment. Welcome back 200 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: to the Sean Hannity Show. I'm Greg Jarrett filling in 201 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: for Sean. My new book comes out in just a 202 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: few days. Trial of the Century. It'll be in bookstores 203 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: nationwide beginning on Tuesday, but you can go online and 204 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: order it presale right now. My guest we're continuing our 205 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: discussion is John McLachlin of McLaughlin Associates, one of the 206 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:38,120 Speaker 1: best polling groups in America. If you judge accuracy, his 207 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: record is pretty darn close to perfect. John, welcome back. 208 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: We were talking about Joe Biden and the impact of 209 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: the corruption scandals notably elevated by the House Oversight Committee 210 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: and Judiciary Committee hearings that have been held. You know, 211 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:02,800 Speaker 1: ten million dollars flow going through twenty LLCs and shell 212 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: companies into the Biden family coffers. Are Americans following this 213 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: Does it impact their vote? No? 214 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 3: And yes, I mean the media. They've stopped covering the 215 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 3: Biden administration. They're too busy covering up for the Biden administration. 216 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 3: Where we found in our poll that was done nationwide, 217 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 3: was released on May first, eighty two percent of all 218 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 3: voters are aware that Manhattan da Alvian Bragan died of 219 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 3: President Trump and it merely makes no difference in the 220 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 3: votes because everybody knows. In the meantime, only fifty four 221 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 3: percent of the voters in that same poll we're aware 222 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 3: that the Chinese have funneled millions to the Biden family. 223 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 3: And if they're in the fifty four percent that's aware 224 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 3: that they vote for Trump sixty percent to thirty percent. 225 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,560 Speaker 3: If they're in the forty six percent that are not 226 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 3: aware about the Chinese money to the Biden family, they 227 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 3: vote for Biden fifty eight to thirty three. So you've 228 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 3: got this huge fifty five point swing based on media censorship, 229 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 3: where if the media doesn't put this out, the voters 230 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 3: don't know. Just look at the fact that remember the 231 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 3: chairman of the House Committee, Comer, was telling the Biden 232 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 3: Justice Department, don't indict Hunter until after we released the 233 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 3: evidence and the information on Wednesday of that rank. Guess 234 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 3: what the Justice Department did on Wednesday. They indicted George 235 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 3: Santos the same day. It eclipsed the Biden family and 236 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 3: Comber out of the headlines on TV except for Fox 237 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 3: News and Newsmax, nobody covered it. They all covered Santos, 238 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 3: The newspapers covered Santos. And so you've got this, You know, 239 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 3: you've got this huge scandal, a historic scandal that most 240 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 3: voters who don't know about vote for Biden, and the 241 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 3: ones that do vote for Trump. 242 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, all you have to do is listen 243 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: to the whistleblowers who say both the FBI and the 244 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 1: Department of Justice are running a protection racket for Joe Biden, 245 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: which is why, after five years of an investigation by 246 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: a US attorney, there have been no charges against Hunter Biden, 247 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: principally in my judgment, because to indict Hunter Biden implicates 248 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: Joe Biden as an active participant in his multi million 249 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: dollars schemes. You're talking about, you know, thirty one thirty 250 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: one million dollars from the Chinese, about forty million from 251 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: the Russia, eleven million from Ukraine. I mean in a 252 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: city Washington, d C. Where it is a cottage industry, 253 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: influence pedaling and money making off of it. The Bidens 254 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: have taken it to dizzine Heights. So you know, unfortunately 255 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 1: we're out of time, John, But the bottom line seems 256 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: to be it's going to be up to Congress to 257 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: continue their investigation, and it's going to be up to 258 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: honest members of the media to report the compelling, overwhelming 259 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: evidence of corruption and influence peddling. My guest has been 260 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: John McLachlin of McLaughlin associates, one of the best posters. John, 261 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for being with us. I'm so glad 262 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: you're enjoying the first chapter of my new book, The 263 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: Trial of the Century. It's out next Tuesday and bookstores nationwide. 264 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: You can order it online right now at the usual 265 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: places Amazon dot com, Barnesandnoble dot com. I'm Greg Jarrett. 266 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: Will be right back with more of The Sean Hennity Show, 267 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: keeping Uncle Sam accountable to you every day Hannity is on. 268 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Sean Hennity Show on Greg Jarrett 269 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: filling in for Sean Hannity. You can follow me on 270 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: Twitter at Greg Jarrett. You can read my legal columns 271 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 1: and listen to my podcast The Brief at Thegreg Jarrett 272 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 1: dot com and by the way, you can also click 273 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 1: on there and buy My new book comes out in 274 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,159 Speaker 1: just a few days. It's called The Trial of the Century, 275 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: about the famous Scopes monkey trial. And but for that trial, 276 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: I wonder where America would be today. Our cherished free 277 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: speech rights were rescued and solidified by that historic trial. 278 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: Incredibly dramatic, with a climactic moment. The New York Times 279 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: called it the most amazing court scene in Anglo sexon history. Well, 280 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about the Durham Report, which 281 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: of course came out recently, three hundred and six page report. 282 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: The bottom line it confirms FBI corruption. You know, it's 283 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: really incredible how Democrats are now saying of the Durham Report, 284 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: nothing to see here. Let's move along. Joining me now 285 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: to talk about it is my friend David Shawn, former 286 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: President Trump lead council during the impeachment trial, criminal defense 287 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: attorney and civil liberties attorney, who, by the way, on 288 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: a side note, knows all about the trial of the century, 289 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: the Scopes Monkey Trial. So David, welcome to the show. 290 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: I'll have to ask you about that a bit later on, 291 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: but let's get now to what has been said by 292 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: Democrats about the Durham Report. It's really, to me pretty shocking, 293 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: but when you think about it, predictable. 294 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 4: Well, thanks very much for having me, But I have 295 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,640 Speaker 4: to say first what you left out of your introduction 296 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 4: is that all mister Durham had to do, apparently was 297 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 4: read your earlier book, The russ Oaks. You know, you 298 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 4: called it well before the Durham Report did five years ago, right, 299 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 4: and it tracks your book almost exactly, except that you 300 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 4: had more and better detail. 301 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 2: Quite frankly, thank you anyway. Yeah, listen, I. 302 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 4: Think there for me at least, the Durham Report is 303 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 4: sort of too too late, but it is still an 304 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 4: absolutely vitally important document for people to know and understand. 305 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 4: And you know, you raise the issue now of the 306 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 4: Democratic response to it. I hope it's not the entire 307 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 4: Democratic Party, as you know, I represented the Democratic Party 308 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 4: last year, and I think other people within the party 309 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 4: feel differently if they're not saying so. But you have 310 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 4: people like Shift and Swallwell speaking publicly about it, dismissing 311 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 4: it as something you know, no more than a process 312 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:32,240 Speaker 4: foul Swallowell said, and so on, and Shifts still talking 313 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 4: about Russian collusion, except he has the characters wrong. He 314 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 4: has still talking about Russian collusion President Trump instead of 315 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 4: with Hillary Clinton. 316 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:43,960 Speaker 2: It's shocking. It's disappointing. 317 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 4: I suppose it shouldn't be shocking at this point, but 318 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 4: it's a complete disgrace if after all of this, if 319 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:53,120 Speaker 4: it's nothing else, the report at least demonstrates the use 320 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 4: of political a partisan political agenda and funds to drive 321 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 4: a government investigation. The use of the most intrusive surveillance 322 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 4: techniques ever that we have in our government, false applications 323 00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 4: to get those surveillance techniques, all to support a partisan 324 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,640 Speaker 4: political agenda Hillary Clinton campaign, you know, And. 325 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: It wasn't just Schiff and Eric swallall the usual suspects, 326 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: infamous and nefarious, notorious individuals that they are. But of course, 327 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,719 Speaker 1: now you know, Jamie Raskin, the congressman, has jumped in 328 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:33,360 Speaker 1: and he said, and I'll quote, nobody takes Durham's reports seriously. Well, frankly, 329 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: nobody takes Jamie Raskin seriously, you know, I mean, he 330 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 1: is such a hyper partisan. Then he went on to say, oh, 331 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: there's nothing in that report that undermines our faith in 332 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: the FBI. Are you kidding me? The entire report is 333 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: chock full of evidence that is meticulously documented in records 334 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: and testimony and so forth, that completely you know, requires 335 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: Americans to look at the FBI and say they are corrupt, 336 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: the top echelons of the FBI. And it's gotten no 337 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: better under Christopher Ray, has it. 338 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 2: No, it doesn't seem to listen. 339 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 4: I've said many times my father was a very proud 340 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 4: FBI agent. I've loved the FBI agent since I was 341 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 4: a little kid. I have a lot of mementos from 342 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 4: those times and so on. This is not that FBI. 343 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 4: It's a shame. You have some absolutely fabulous special agents 344 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 4: in the field dedicated to the purpose of the true 345 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 4: purpose of the FBI. This makes them look terrible. Leadership 346 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 4: has really let us down. But Jamie Raskin and folks 347 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 4: like him, unfortunately do such a disservice to the country. 348 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 4: There's nothing wrong with calling it what it is today. 349 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 4: In fact, there's everything right about it. It's the only 350 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 4: way we're going to cure the ills we can't have 351 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 4: in this country. We cannot have a system in which 352 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 4: we can't depend on the Justice Department to be honest 353 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 4: or the FBI to be honest. Their task is too important, 354 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 4: and when the public loses faith and they lose credibility, 355 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 4: we're in big trouble. 356 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: You know, I will, in all fairness because most of 357 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,719 Speaker 1: the media has taken the opinion of we're not going 358 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: to report on the Durham report there's nothing there, or 359 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: they've simply said, you know, as Andrew Weisman said, it's 360 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: a big fat nothing. But I'll give a shout out 361 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: to Jake Tapper, who said this is really serious and disturbing, 362 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,159 Speaker 1: and Chuck Todd over at NBC, who said, you know, 363 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: this is so alarming it requires now a brand new 364 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: Church Commission to try to buy law fix the FBI. 365 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: The Church Commission famously in the nineteen seventies found so 366 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: much corruption with in the FBI they enacted new laws 367 00:22:55,920 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: to rein in the FBI. So, I mean, there are 368 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: some clarion voices out there, but most in the media. 369 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: And you know, I brought up Andrew Weisman. I had 370 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: to laugh when he, you know, took to the airways 371 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: on MSNBC and I think he was MSNBC and said, 372 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 1: it's a big fat nothing, my lord. The Durham Report 373 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:28,719 Speaker 1: false Weissman and others in the Mueller investigation for turning 374 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: a blind eye to what Hillary Clinton had done in 375 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:32,879 Speaker 1: inventing the hoax. 376 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean Weissman has to say this, doesn't 377 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 4: it because he's really at the heart of this. We've 378 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 4: talked about him for a long time. I've said before 379 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 4: and I say it again and will always mean it. 380 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 4: I suppose is the most unethical and most ethically bankrupt 381 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 4: prosecutor I have ever encountered, and I have encountered him 382 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 4: in a very serious case in New York. 383 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 2: He you know, he's at the heart of this problem. 384 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 4: But I suppose what's really at the root of the 385 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 4: problem was originally picking only political parts for the Mother 386 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 4: Investigation or for the January sixth Committee. 387 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: This undermines our processes. 388 00:24:05,920 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 4: In this country. We can't do that anymore. You know, 389 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 4: you're right, credit to Jake Tapper, But look what happened 390 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 4: to him after he said it. People calling for his 391 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 4: resignation and their outrage, and CNN would put out such 392 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 4: a product. You have to give c Ann great credit, 393 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,680 Speaker 4: I thing for at least putting them on and having 394 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 4: him say that. I found it embarrassing that I was 395 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 4: called by some shows originally to do a thing on 396 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 4: the Durham Report. Then they said, well, we're only going 397 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 4: to cover it a little bit, so I didn't do that. 398 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 2: But then I had to go. 399 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 4: I went to British Television, British Television, yeah, to do 400 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 4: a more full analysis of the report and all that. 401 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 2: You know, it makes a mockery of our system. 402 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: It really does. The other person who really comes out 403 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:47,840 Speaker 1: with a you know, an ugly black eye is the vain, 404 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: glorious James Comey, who by the way, refused to cooperate 405 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: with the Durham investigation, now publicly claims to be suffering 406 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: total amnesia. I don't remember anything, you know, which is 407 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,440 Speaker 1: a curious affliction since the Special Council's report. The Durham 408 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: Report reveals that he demanded and receives quote unquote daily 409 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: briefings on what turned out to be the Russia hoax, 410 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: and then of course fantasily lied to the Feis accord 411 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: to spy on Carter Page and the Trump campaign, you know, 412 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: vouching for the credibility of you know, a guy Christopher Steel, 413 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: the Expertish spy who composed the Phonny dossier, vouched for 414 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: his credibility without telling a court. Oh, by the way, 415 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: we fired him for lying. He was our confidential informa. 416 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: We found out he was lying, so we fired him. 417 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: They withheld that from the court, and then you know, 418 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: they insisted to the court and the judges that, oh, 419 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: you know, the dossier, it's it's totally accurate and true, 420 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: when in fact they owed already debunked it. They knew 421 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: it was bogus. So James Comy more than anybody else. 422 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: Has utterly destroyed the good name and reputation of the FBI, 423 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: hasn't he. 424 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, looks at you've written and spoken about 425 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 4: him for years now, literally and you've had it right on. 426 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 2: I happen to think that the one of the. 427 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 4: Most important things in the Durham Report is the confirmation 428 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:17,479 Speaker 4: if it needed it. 429 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 2: But I suppose it did need it. 430 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,679 Speaker 4: Once again, of these lawes in the PI omissions and 431 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,120 Speaker 4: lies in the FIS applications, it's a very very very serious. 432 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 2: Violation again for the public. 433 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 4: I mean, these are the This is a court that permits, 434 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 4: if it's satisfied by the showing made for it, the 435 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 4: most intrusive surveillance techniques known in the world, based on 436 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 4: the sworn affidavits by the people making the application of 437 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 4: the Justice Department making the application. It has a rule 438 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 4: Rule thirteen of the Court requires that any material omission 439 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:54,199 Speaker 4: or misstatement be corrected after the fact. As far as 440 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 4: I know, they still have never corrected the omissions and 441 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 4: the misstatements in their applications. It's a very very serious 442 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 4: transmission and it puts everyone's privacy at risk. 443 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: David Showan is my guest he's going to stick around 444 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: for another segment. Former President Trump lead council during the 445 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: impeachment trial. You should know about him. He's a well 446 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: known civil liberties attorney who has often represented Democrats. So 447 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,400 Speaker 1: in my judgment, David Shan is one of the most 448 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: fair and objective. 449 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 2: People I know. 450 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: David also read my didn't read my book yet because 451 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to send it to him, but he knows 452 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: all about the Scopes Monkey trial. The Trial of the Century, 453 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: the title of my new book coming out in just 454 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: a few days. David, stick around. I want to ask 455 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: you about this Scopes trial. We'll be right back. I'm 456 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,400 Speaker 1: Greg Jared filling in for Sewn on the Sean Hannity Show. 457 00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Sean Hannity Show. I'm Greg Jarrett 458 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: filling in for Sean Hannity. My guest is David Shawan, 459 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: a well known civil liberties attorney. And David, thanks for 460 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: sticking around. You know the Scopes Monkey trial in nineteen 461 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: twenty five written a brand new book comes out in 462 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: a few days called Trial of the Century about that 463 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 1: important trial, and it helped to establish the cherished free 464 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:17,679 Speaker 1: speech principles and civil liberties which Americans enjoy today. It 465 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: is as relevant now as it was nearly one hundred 466 00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: years ago. One of the reasons I wrote the book 467 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,959 Speaker 1: is because a lot of people don't know about that trial, 468 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: especially young people who have never been taught about that 469 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: pivotal trial in history class. But you know about it, David, I. 470 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 4: Don't know as much as you know in a is 471 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 4: going to be revealed in your book, and that's why 472 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 4: I intend to buy the book right away. But listen, 473 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 4: you know William Jennings Bryant was a seminal figure as 474 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,600 Speaker 4: a speaker, as an influencer of opinion in the country 475 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 4: at that time that people don't know about him either. 476 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 4: These were very, very telling times in this country. Things 477 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 4: could have gone their way and that would have shaped 478 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 4: the direction of the country. That's why I assume you 479 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 4: call the Trial of the Century. I think that's accurate. 480 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: Quite frankly, Yeah. 481 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: It really is. You know, America was on the precipice 482 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: at this point in time, and the fundamentalist movement was 483 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 1: so strong, such religious fervor that led by William Jennings Bryant, 484 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,920 Speaker 1: who was a three time presidential nominee for the Democrats, 485 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 1: was able to pressure states into banning books on evolution. 486 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: Think about that, a cornerstone theory in science that you know, 487 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: all of science relies on. And you know, in Tennessee 488 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: they passed a law thanks to Brant, that actually criminalized 489 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: the teaching of evolution in public schools. Now, mind you, 490 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: the textbooks approved of the state have a chapter on evolution, 491 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: and yet they made it a crime for a teacher 492 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,160 Speaker 1: to teach from the textbook. It's okay for the students 493 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 1: to read it, but a teacher dare not utter the 494 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,880 Speaker 1: word evolution. And the client room and John Scopes, this 495 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: young twenty five year old, amiable, likable biology substitute teacher, 496 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: taught evolution straight from the textbook, basically reading from the textbook. 497 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: He was promptly arrested, handcuffed, and shoved off to the 498 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: huscal And the greatest attorney who ever lived, my idol, 499 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: Clarence Darrow, was so incensed he volunteered to defend the Scopes, 500 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: But he was really defending academic autonomy in intellectual empowerment, 501 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: free speech, and civil liberties. And you know the climactic 502 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: moment where he cross examines William Jennings Bryant utterly destroyed Bryant, 503 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: and he died five days later, still in Dayton, Tennessee, 504 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,720 Speaker 1: just down the street from the courthouse. He laid down 505 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: to take a nap and he never woke up. He 506 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: was utterly destroyed. I got about thirty seconds left. But 507 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: you know, put a period on the end of that, David. 508 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 4: I mean, that is a fabulous description of so much 509 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 4: about the Scopes Monkey Trial. Quite from American history during 510 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 4: that period, but it resonates today though, because we. 511 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 2: See, you know, this kind of thing going on. Part 512 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 2: of the reason, you know. 513 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 4: The position Brian Jenny William Jenny Bryant took was so 514 00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 4: powerful is because he was such a powerful orator. But 515 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 4: you're right, Darrow destroyed him. Darrow is also my hero. 516 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 4: But I think everyone has to read it to consider 517 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 4: what's going on today. I just heard a graduation speaker 518 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 4: talk about the danger of book bannings and all that. 519 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 4: But I think, quite frankly, you know, we're seeing things 520 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 4: on the other side now. We're seeing words that can't 521 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 4: be used and subjects that can't be taught because of 522 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 4: certain sensitivities. Yes, we need to be sensitive, but we 523 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,040 Speaker 4: need to have all of these things out there we 524 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 4: need Darrow today, but you got to read this book. 525 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 2: I really can't wait. 526 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,239 Speaker 4: You brought tills to me as a lawyer, but as 527 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 4: an American, I think just describing that period and what 528 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 4: happened during the course of the trial. 529 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: David Shoan, Civil Liberty's attorney, thank you so much for 530 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 1: being our. 531 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 2: Thanks so much. 532 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: Coming up next, I'll be talking with Peter Schweitzer and 533 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: Eric Eggers. They're gonna be stopping by to talk about 534 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: the Clintons and what the FBI learned from them. We'll 535 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 1: be right back. I'm Greg Jared filling in for Sean 536 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:15,480 Speaker 1: on The Sean Hannity Show.