WEBVTT - Paws and Order: 1920s Dog On Trial 

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<v Speaker 1>School of Humans. Hey, filth heads, it's a dreary, rainy

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<v Speaker 1>day in Atlanta, And to perk us up, what I

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<v Speaker 1>want to do is talk about something that is very

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<v Speaker 1>close to my heart. And by close with my heart,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean just something I've been kind of obsessed with

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm having a hard time getting other people to

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<v Speaker 1>become obsessed with. In fact, one of my friends was like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you bring that up one more time, I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to throw you out of my house. But that's why

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<v Speaker 1>I started a podcast, so I could tell random people, strangers, fans,

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<v Speaker 1>people who like history about some of my special interests

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<v Speaker 1>and then relating that to something that happened in history.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was a reason I told you. But I

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<v Speaker 1>have become quite fascinated by this politician, not because he

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<v Speaker 1>aligns with my value or seems like a good person

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<v Speaker 1>or is attractive, but because he is absolutely insane to me.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a Republican, and I do think this is

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<v Speaker 1>something that we could agree on on both sides of

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<v Speaker 1>the aisle, that Republicans sometimes seem to be playing cartoon

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<v Speaker 1>versions of themselves, you know, like they seem like a

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<v Speaker 1>caricature of what an actual Republican is. They're just crazy,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like Trump obviously, Marjorie Taylor Green. But the

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<v Speaker 1>guy that I've been thinking about a lot, his name

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<v Speaker 1>is Jim Justice. And already the name sounds like a

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<v Speaker 1>soap opera character or someone who's in the Marvel Cinematic universe.

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<v Speaker 1>But Jim Justice. He is the governor of West Virginia.

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<v Speaker 1>And he's quite a large guy in width and in height,

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<v Speaker 1>and he goes by Big Jim, or as we politically

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<v Speaker 1>correct liberals like to call him, plus size James. And

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<v Speaker 1>he's done some shady stuff as a politician. Like I

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<v Speaker 1>was talking to one of my friends about him, and

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<v Speaker 1>she used to work at the Southern Poverty Law Center

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<v Speaker 1>and she was like, oh, yeah, we had to deal

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<v Speaker 1>with that guy a lot. Some things he did is

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<v Speaker 1>that when he ran for governor, he ran as a Democrat,

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<v Speaker 1>but then once he was in office, he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>psych actually I'm still a Republican. He was a billionaire

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<v Speaker 1>emphasis on was no longer and in a very Trumpian style,

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<v Speaker 1>he's refused to pay his vendors or his taxes. He

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<v Speaker 1>owns this really gaudy resort. His family owns another one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred businesses and also several coal mines. Remember this is

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<v Speaker 1>West Virginia. But it's not even him who I'm super

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<v Speaker 1>obsessed with, because to make him even more cartoonish, Big

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<v Speaker 1>Jim has a sidekick, specifically a dog who he brings

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<v Speaker 1>to almost all of his public appearances. And that dog's

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<v Speaker 1>name is Baby Dog, or as Jim Justice calls her,

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<v Speaker 1>Baby Dog. But anyway, Baby Dog is a sixty pound bulldog,

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<v Speaker 1>overweight and in bread, just like Big Jim. And here's

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<v Speaker 1>how Big Jim has described Baby Dog a little rascal

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<v Speaker 1>who looks like a brown watermelon that loves everybody. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>if anyone ever calls you a brown watermelon, run baby Dog. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>are you guys not obsessed with Baby Go look at

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<v Speaker 1>Wikipedia right now. She's got a Wikipedia page. And yes,

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<v Speaker 1>she's a bulldog and a woman. Women can do it all.

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<v Speaker 1>But truly, Baby Dog has become a fixture in West

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<v Speaker 1>Virginian politics, and according to her Wikipedia, she loves Wendy's

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<v Speaker 1>Chicken nuggets and hates Celery. She also loves Israel but

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<v Speaker 1>hates the Jews. I added that part though I do

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<v Speaker 1>imagine Big Jim taught her to bark at gay people

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<v Speaker 1>or something. But anyway, don't worry Jim justice he did.

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<v Speaker 1>He is no longer going to be the governor West Virginia.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't worry. He got elected as a US senator, so

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<v Speaker 1>even better for us. Also, this is crazy. Baby Dog

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<v Speaker 1>is actually Trump's backup nomination for Attorney General. Sorry, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>having too much fun, but yes, Big Jim and Baby Dog.

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<v Speaker 1>Doesn't that sound like characters in a chapter book series

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<v Speaker 1>for kids? Like it's two fun loving outlaws who weirdly

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<v Speaker 1>love the police. They have a slogan that's we don't

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<v Speaker 1>get even we get evangelical. There's a recurring character named Jerry,

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<v Speaker 1>short for jerry Mandering the Adventures a Big GYM and

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<v Speaker 1>Baby Dog. I feel like these books would have titles

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<v Speaker 1>like Big Jim and Baby Dog punch a liberal in

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<v Speaker 1>the throat, but yell free speech afterwards. So it's fine,

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<v Speaker 1>Big Jim and Baby Dog revoke your green card even

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<v Speaker 1>though you're a US citizen. And yes, these are the

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<v Speaker 1>books that are replacing the gay ones at the school libraries.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the last book title. Big Jim and Baby

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<v Speaker 1>Dog sell Big Jim's cold mind to the Russians, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Russians are like, well, these aren't actually that profitable,

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<v Speaker 1>so then they forced Jim to buy them back at

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<v Speaker 1>a five hundred million dollar loss. That's actually not a

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<v Speaker 1>book title, that just actually happened. But I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to just shit on Big Jim and Baby Dog. Big

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<v Speaker 1>Jim has done some good things, like during the COVID

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen pandemic, he encouraged people to get vaccinated and the

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<v Speaker 1>slogan was do it for Baby Dog. Because Big Jim's smart.

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<v Speaker 1>He knows that in this country we won't get vaccinated

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<v Speaker 1>for other people, screw them, But for a dog, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>do just about anything. And I'm sorry if it comes

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<v Speaker 1>off that I'm criticizing Baby Dog. You know it's not

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<v Speaker 1>her fault that her tax evating former billionaire owner is

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<v Speaker 1>a maga loving freak. She's not a bad dog, but

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<v Speaker 1>she is a bad bitch, if you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>But there have been a lot of bad dogs throughout history. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>look at that. The historical connection of my interest to history,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's relevant to the pod. And one dog was

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<v Speaker 1>so bad that he went on trial in California in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty one for murder. Cue the theme song, This

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<v Speaker 1>is American filth and I'm Gabby Watts. Every week I

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<v Speaker 1>tell you a filthy story from American history. This week's

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<v Speaker 1>episode bad Dog, or, as Big Jim would say it,

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<v Speaker 1>by your dog. I think I'm manic right now. That's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>Every once in a while, it's a treat you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>get a manic episode. All right. It's the nineteen twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty one. We're in San Francisco, California, in the

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhood of Ingleside Terrace. It was a peaceful neighborhood. These

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<v Speaker 1>San Franciscans who lived here had nice, middle class houses,

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<v Speaker 1>probably wholesome values, and families that included purebred cats and dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>They ain't got none of that mutt filth in Ingleside Terrace.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no. But as we all know, it's sometimes the

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<v Speaker 1>purest breeds that get led astray. So we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>the home of the mcmillans. The head of the household

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<v Speaker 1>was Eaed McMillan. He was an automobile man, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think is a fancy way for the newspapers to say

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<v Speaker 1>that he fixed cars. He also liked to play golf.

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<v Speaker 1>What an interesting guy. Most of the newspaper articles don't

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<v Speaker 1>mention if he had a wife, or a child. Apparently

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<v Speaker 1>these details weren't interesting enough to the newspapers, but the

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<v Speaker 1>family member who was interesting to them was Dormy. Dormy

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<v Speaker 1>was a dog, specifically an Airdale Terrier. This is the

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<v Speaker 1>largest of the terriers. These doggies have lean, poodle like

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<v Speaker 1>bodies with the coloring of a German shepherd, but they

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<v Speaker 1>have a distinctive terrier snout with a scruffy little beard.

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<v Speaker 1>They kind of look like they're gonna man's plain, IPA's

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<v Speaker 1>or cryptocurrency to you. And these dogs can get pretty big,

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<v Speaker 1>up to fifty five pounds, almost as heavy as baby dog,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're leaner and in this case a little bit meaner.

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<v Speaker 1>Dormy doesn't get a shit if you get vaccinated. Airdale

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<v Speaker 1>Terriers have been used as war dogs, police dogs, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're my merry trade is that they are hunting dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>And there I there's the rub. Dormy was a hunter,

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<v Speaker 1>and not just any hunter. He was also described as

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<v Speaker 1>having a nervous temperament, and a nervous hunter that's the

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<v Speaker 1>worst kind. If a nervous hunter gets riled up, who

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<v Speaker 1>knows what he'll be capable of. He's gonna get overcome

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<v Speaker 1>by emotion controlled by instinct and attack everything in sight.

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<v Speaker 1>As someone with a nervous temperament, That makes sense. You

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<v Speaker 1>never know when I'm gonna go off. But some people

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<v Speaker 1>in the Ingleside terrorist neighborhood went even further. They said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Dormy has this nervous temperament, but he's also an Airdale Terrier,

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<v Speaker 1>which are morally corrupt racists. They were born and bred

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<v Speaker 1>to hate cats. An ingle Side terrist. There is a

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<v Speaker 1>a woman named Missus Ingles and she had a cat

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<v Speaker 1>called Sunbeam. Now, Sunbeam was a Persian. These Persian felines

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<v Speaker 1>are fancy, sassy, flat faced, with long hair and sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>snotty noses. And Sunbeam she was eight years old, which

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty young for most Persian cats. A lot of

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<v Speaker 1>Persian cats lived to be nineteen years old. But Sunbeam's life,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, all nine of her lives, were cut short

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<v Speaker 1>because on December second, nineteen twenty one, Sunbeam was found

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<v Speaker 1>dead in a vacant lot in the neighborhood. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a grizzly scene. She had obviously met her end with violence.

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<v Speaker 1>Missus Ingles, I'm sure was devastated, but she wasn't the

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<v Speaker 1>only devastated person. In that neighborhood, there was another family,

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<v Speaker 1>the Woods, and they also had had a cat who

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<v Speaker 1>had been brutally murdered in the street. In total, fourteen

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<v Speaker 1>cats had recently died, and the neighborhood bonded together and

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<v Speaker 1>said their deaths were caused by none other than that

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<v Speaker 1>airedale terrier Dormy, and somebody in that neighborhood, probably one

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<v Speaker 1>of the people in the Wood family called the police saying,

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<v Speaker 1>mister eaton McMillan, car and golfer man, he doesn't have

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<v Speaker 1>control of his dog. Come arrest his ass and they did,

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<v Speaker 1>but he was livid. He was like, I'm a guy

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<v Speaker 1>who fixes cars and plays golf. I have all the

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<v Speaker 1>confidence in the world. This isn't my frickin' problem. But

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<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood people were like, it is your problem. That's

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<v Speaker 1>your frickin' dog. But McMillan was like, I ain't gonna

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<v Speaker 1>do nothing about it. Then the neighborhood got even more

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<v Speaker 1>mad and they actually filed a lawsuit against him. He

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<v Speaker 1>received a notice that started the people of the state

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<v Speaker 1>of California to eaton McMillan. He and Dormy had been indicted,

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<v Speaker 1>Dormy for being a public nuisance and murderer and McMillan

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<v Speaker 1>for not doing nothing about it. McMillan refused to back down.

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<v Speaker 1>He hired a criminal lawyer named James Brennan. A couple

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<v Speaker 1>weeks later, McMillan and Brennan headed to the police court

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<v Speaker 1>and the courtroom was slammed. The room wasn't physically filled

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<v Speaker 1>to the brim, but emotionally it was first with probably

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<v Speaker 1>the ghostly bodies of cats floating around, and also with

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<v Speaker 1>the anger of nine women, nine cat ladies specifically, The

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<v Speaker 1>San Francisco Examiner reported that the room was filled with

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<v Speaker 1>nine angry women, residents of Ingleside Terrace, who came prepared

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<v Speaker 1>to swear that the defendant canine known as Dormy, had

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<v Speaker 1>been responsible for a grand total of fourteen feline executions.

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<v Speaker 1>The lawyer Brennan saw in that moment that Millan had

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<v Speaker 1>no chance of winning in this courtroom, so he demanded this.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, I demand that my client, I mean rather

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<v Speaker 1>clients because of the dog, be granted a jury trial.

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<v Speaker 1>So the trial was set for December twenty first, nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one. In the meantime, Brennan started canvassing for dog

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<v Speaker 1>people to be character witnesses for Dormy. And then on

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<v Speaker 1>the other side, the cat people were banding together to

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<v Speaker 1>fight for their felines lives so that they could rid

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<v Speaker 1>Ingleside terrace of this bad dog once and for all.

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<v Speaker 1>McMillan was up against a misdemeanor charge, but Dormy, well,

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<v Speaker 1>he could be sentenced to permanent muzzling or death. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>the stakes couldn't be higher. Be right back after these

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<v Speaker 1>soothing advertisements, Now, is it odd for an animal to

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<v Speaker 1>be on try well, Why, yes it is. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>do that anymore. But back then, in nineteen twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't unprecedented. There had been many cases in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States where animals had been put on trial. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>their human counterparts were also on trial, but they'd have

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<v Speaker 1>animals in the courtroom, and sometimes they would be sentenced

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<v Speaker 1>to death. For example, in seventeenth century Connecticut, a female

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<v Speaker 1>pig a sal was put on trial and was accused

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<v Speaker 1>of killing a child. The pig was found guilty and

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<v Speaker 1>sentenced to death, and at that point the authorities were

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<v Speaker 1>like animals can be held accountable for criminal actions much

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<v Speaker 1>like humans. Then in the nineteenth century there was the

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<v Speaker 1>monkey trial where this monkey was accused of theft. And

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<v Speaker 1>around that same time, in seventeen ninety one, a horse

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<v Speaker 1>was put on trial in New Jersey after it was

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<v Speaker 1>accused of causing a fatal accident. And just a few

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<v Speaker 1>years before this case against Dormy, there was actual a

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<v Speaker 1>cat that was put on trial. This was in nineteen sixteen,

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<v Speaker 1>where a cat was tried for allegedly causing destruction by

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<v Speaker 1>killing valuable livestock. At this point in the twentieth century,

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<v Speaker 1>people weren't really taken animal trial seriously. It was more

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<v Speaker 1>of a humorous event, and that was the same tone

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<v Speaker 1>as the Dormy case. It was humorous, it was a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>And some people think the reason the media covered this

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<v Speaker 1>trial so much is because it was a response to

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<v Speaker 1>the coverage of this other trial that had been going on.

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<v Speaker 1>This one was very serious, very sad, very salacious. This actor,

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<v Speaker 1>Roscoe Fatty Arbuckle, was charged with raping and killing Virginia

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<v Speaker 1>rap during a party in San Francisco. This was covered everywhere, NonStop,

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<v Speaker 1>all the time, and when Dormy started making headlines a

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<v Speaker 1>couple months later, this was like comic relief, and boy

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<v Speaker 1>were the journalists having a great time covering this. Before

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<v Speaker 1>the trial started, two of the experts who are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be called to the stand wrote editorials for the

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<v Speaker 1>San Francisco Examiner. There was the president of the San

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<v Speaker 1>Francisco Cat Club and the president of the Pacific Coast

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<v Speaker 1>Dog Fanciers Association. The president of the dog Association wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to dispel the prevailing myth that airdales are evil hunting dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote, we deny that airdales, individually or as a breed,

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<v Speaker 1>have an intent to injure cats. Their history is filled

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<v Speaker 1>with chivalrous acts toward weaker animals. Cats In particular, this

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<v Speaker 1>expert cited the case of jane An Airdale, who adopted

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<v Speaker 1>an orphan kitten, also another dog named Rowdy, who would

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<v Speaker 1>guard his owner's kitten and make sure their owner brought

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<v Speaker 1>them food on time. See Airdale's Love Cats. The cat

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<v Speaker 1>expert was very diplomatic in her editorial. She said that

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<v Speaker 1>whether Dormy was responsible for the tragic death of Sunbeam

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<v Speaker 1>is a question for the jury to decide, But the

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<v Speaker 1>expert did say that she didn't see how Dormy could

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<v Speaker 1>claim something like self defense as Persian cats are quote

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<v Speaker 1>intelligent and lovable and mark this well, they only fight

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<v Speaker 1>when cornered. Of course, the cat expert did not want

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<v Speaker 1>to implicate Sunbeam as the cause of her own death,

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<v Speaker 1>but the expert did write, Persian cats often die through

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<v Speaker 1>their passionate love of cleanliness. In licking their beautiful coats,

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<v Speaker 1>they sometimes swallow long hairs, which may cause death. The

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<v Speaker 1>only remedy is to eat green grass with Sunbeam on

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<v Speaker 1>the night of her alleged murder searching for green grass.

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<v Speaker 1>Let the jury decide. Know what this is making me

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<v Speaker 1>think the real guilty party is not a dog, not

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<v Speaker 1>a cat, but in fact humans. Our hubris led us

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<v Speaker 1>to breed flat faced, fluffy cats for our own pleasure,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is what has led to the death of

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<v Speaker 1>even more cats than Dormy ever allegedly killed. We're the enemy,

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<v Speaker 1>can you believe it? And before we get to the trial,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want you guys to think that I am

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<v Speaker 1>biased against Dormy because he's a dog. I want you

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<v Speaker 1>to know that I am biased against him because I

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<v Speaker 1>am always on the side of kitty cats. Despite evidence, rationale, logic,

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<v Speaker 1>I will always be a loyalist to the kitty cats,

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<v Speaker 1>to the felines. Honestly, sounds like you should put me

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<v Speaker 1>on trial. But the day of the trial arrived December

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<v Speaker 1>twenty first, nineteen twenty one. And while this trial was stupid,

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<v Speaker 1>there were some actual legal questions to consider. Can a

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<v Speaker 1>dog and master be held jointly lible? Has a cat

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<v Speaker 1>which has denied a license have any rights? Has a

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<v Speaker 1>dog any rights under the law? And so much as

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<v Speaker 1>the code of Man holds a dog to be of

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<v Speaker 1>insufficient intellect to imply responsibility for any action, can he

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<v Speaker 1>be punished for such action? Can a dog's general reputation

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<v Speaker 1>be attacked? Or can he be declared a public nuisance?

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<v Speaker 1>All legal important questions. Anyway, the trial begins. That cat

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<v Speaker 1>expert and that dog expert give their testimonies, and the prosecutor,

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<v Speaker 1>John Orcutt He summoned an array of witnesses who tore

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<v Speaker 1>Dormy's reputation to shreds. Several witnesses from the neighborhood testified

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<v Speaker 1>that Dormy had killed Sunbeams specifically, but as more and

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<v Speaker 1>more witnesses took the stand, they claimed that Dormy had

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<v Speaker 1>also killed their cats, and more than that, he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>just a cat killer. Dormy was also a public nuisance.

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<v Speaker 1>One person on the stand was like, yeah, whenever I

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<v Speaker 1>drive past where he lives, he tries to attack my car.

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<v Speaker 1>This person said quote, we tried to run him over

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<v Speaker 1>and sorry we didn't. With all these witnesses, it was

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<v Speaker 1>looking pretty bleak for Dormy. But Brennan McMillan, and Dormy's lawyer,

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<v Speaker 1>was really good at his job and also at pooling antics.

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<v Speaker 1>When it was his turn, he was like, all of

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<v Speaker 1>these character assassinations are unfair. I think we should bring

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<v Speaker 1>Dormy into the courtroom and see what he has to say.

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<v Speaker 1>So Brennan gave a cue and Dormy, along with twenty

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<v Speaker 1>other dogs, came into the courtroom. Everyone was gasping and shrieking.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone rose to their feet and were like, what the

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<v Speaker 1>heck is going on? Twenty dogs, some of them Ayredale's,

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<v Speaker 1>some not just Roman free, some of them were even

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<v Speaker 1>in the precipice of getting into dogfights. The prosecutor Orcut

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<v Speaker 1>was like, what the hell are you doing? You gotta

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<v Speaker 1>stop this menagerie. The witness on the stand at this

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<v Speaker 1>moment was miss Ingles herself. Remember Sunbeam was her cat.

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<v Speaker 1>When all the dogs ran in, she was like, ugh,

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<v Speaker 1>is the dog here, and that's when Brennan got her

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<v Speaker 1>because amongst all of these dogs, she couldn't identify which

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<v Speaker 1>was the one that had supposedly allegedly killed her cat.

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<v Speaker 1>Brennan's point was made. He was like, look, all of

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<v Speaker 1>these witnesses, they don't even know which one Dormy is. Ergo,

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<v Speaker 1>how can you accuse that specific dog of killing all

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<v Speaker 1>these cats? And then Brennan also defending McMillan, Remember, he

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<v Speaker 1>was like, that guy can't be guilty. He can't be

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<v Speaker 1>punished for the action of a dog. That's unconstitutional. McMillan

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know the intent of his dog. He can't read

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<v Speaker 1>his dogs. Mind, you, guys are insane even trying to

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<v Speaker 1>prosecute this man. Another argument that Brennan made was that

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<v Speaker 1>Dormy was a dog, and dogs in the city of

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<v Speaker 1>San Francisco get licenses. Dogs are registered with the city government.

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<v Speaker 1>Cats at that time they did not get registered. And

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<v Speaker 1>the point that Brendan was trying to make was like, look,

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<v Speaker 1>because cats don't get registered and dogs do, that means

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<v Speaker 1>cats matter less than dogs. Ergo, the rights of a

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<v Speaker 1>dog supersede the rights of a cat. A cat is

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<v Speaker 1>not even an entity. According to the government, So what

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<v Speaker 1>does it matter that a dog kills one. Brennan then

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<v Speaker 1>turned to the jurors and he said to them, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we gotta be pro dog here. Dogs have always had

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<v Speaker 1>affection for mankind. Cats they don't give a shit about it. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they're evil, they hate us. Why would we be on

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<v Speaker 1>their side? Yes, I hate this man right now, But

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<v Speaker 1>it's fine. Brennan did a good job. He's a good lawyer.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give him that, though he does piss me off.

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<v Speaker 1>All that shit he was talking about cats, very rude,

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<v Speaker 1>but he did a good job. Because the jurors recessed

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<v Speaker 1>for about twenty minutes, that was all the time they

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<v Speaker 1>needed to decide. Dormy and McMillan were found not guilty.

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<v Speaker 1>And while this trial was like frivolous and silly and

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<v Speaker 1>pretty dumb, it did set some legal precedents on the

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<v Speaker 1>rights of doggies. One thing that this court case did

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<v Speaker 1>is it said the president that a dog can have

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<v Speaker 1>a trial by jury. Another one is that a dog

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<v Speaker 1>can claim discrimination, a dog can summon witnesses. And also,

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<v Speaker 1>because cats aren't licensed pets, they are the ones who

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<v Speaker 1>are not allowed to roam freely. Dogs because they are registered.

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<v Speaker 1>Because they do have a license, they can roam around

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<v Speaker 1>a neighborhood and attack cats at will because cats are

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<v Speaker 1>less than dogs. What the court decided was that cats

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<v Speaker 1>are kind of asking for it if they're outside. And

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<v Speaker 1>Sunbeam's death, well, it was her own damn fault. When

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<v Speaker 1>the verdict was read, Dormy was in the courtroom wagging

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<v Speaker 1>his tail, and after the announcement, Dormy was released by

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<v Speaker 1>a policeman. Dormy then tore across the room into the

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<v Speaker 1>embrace of Eaton McMillan's two year old son Jack. What

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<v Speaker 1>happened to Dormy afterwards, we don't really know. Did he

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<v Speaker 1>keep terrorizing his neighborhood. Did the mcmillans be like, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we shouldn't let him out without a leash? Did he

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<v Speaker 1>kill more cats? Today? You won't find a doggie in

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<v Speaker 1>the courtroom unless, of course, someone accuses Jim Justice of something.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure baby dog, baby dog would come to the courtroom,

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<v Speaker 1>but hopefully she doesn't if he did something really bad,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know he'd get off if she was there.

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<v Speaker 1>And usually humans they are the ones who are held

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<v Speaker 1>accountable for their animals' actions. You know, for example, if

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<v Speaker 1>your pet attacks a person or another animal, there's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be legal proceedings determine whether or not the owner is

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<v Speaker 1>liable for paying for damages or even sometimes have to

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<v Speaker 1>get the dog, the animal, the cat euthanized. And let's

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<v Speaker 1>just say there's a lot more trials about bad dogs

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<v Speaker 1>than there are about bad cats. Is a cat lover,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna say that. I'm just gonna put that

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<v Speaker 1>out there. Every week we learn a lesson on American

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<v Speaker 1>felt and I feel like the lesson we learn here

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<v Speaker 1>is that Americans are pro dog. It's a doggy dog world.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't give a shit about cats, and honest, that

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<v Speaker 1>makes me mad. I think I have that toxoplasmosis thing

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<v Speaker 1>where like you get like the thing in your brain

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<v Speaker 1>from the cats scratching you, and then you just love them.

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely have that for sure. I'm just like Robert F. Kennedy,

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<v Speaker 1>but instead of a worm in my brain, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a cat, a cat parasite, all right? You The credits.

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<v Speaker 1>American Filth is a production of School of Humans and

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<v Speaker 1>My Heart podcast. This episode was written and hosted and

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<v Speaker 1>produced by me Gabby Watts, our executive producers, our Virginia Prescott,

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<v Speaker 1>Mark bark meaw Meal, Goodbye, School of Humans