Speaker 1: So this is doctor pimple Popper. First of all, you
Speaker 1: really have built a brand. You have built this brand
Speaker 1: in doctor pimple Popper. And did that start because of
Speaker 1: these like shocking videos.
Speaker 2: Yeah, essentially it did. I mean it didn't really start
Speaker 2: so shocking. I mean it depends on what you consider shocking.
Speaker 2: I guess blackhead extractions and things like that. Do you
Speaker 2: can you watch those? Can you not tolerate those at all?
Speaker 2: Just like a basic extraction of a blackhead on a nose?
Speaker 1: No, it gives you the heat best, like a combination.
Speaker 1: Like I get the satisfaction that people have with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but.
Speaker 1: I'm not drawn to it, but I completely understand why
Speaker 1: people are, and sometimes there's something fascinating.
Speaker 2: I am the same way. I've never been drawn to it.
Speaker 2: I'm a dermatologist. I'm not drawn to it. But I
Speaker 2: discovered that people were really into it, and then I
Speaker 2: just thought, how far can I push it? And I
Speaker 2: call those soft pops, and then I call it hard
Speaker 2: pops when you go into like the heavy stuff, like
Speaker 2: the triple X kind of pops where you got like
Speaker 2: some blood gushing and your surgery. And I see that
Speaker 2: there's a range, So I feel like you can sort
Speaker 2: of get people into it a little bit.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like PGR or x NC seventeen exactly fascinating.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Okay, So how much of your time is spent on
Speaker 1: social media and the brand of it and actually being
Speaker 1: a dermatologist.
Speaker 3: How do you balance both? It's hard.
Speaker 2: I mean, just like you, you know, you're doing a
Speaker 2: lot of different things, and sometimes you get excited about
Speaker 2: something and you put more of your eggs in that basket, right,
Speaker 2: and then you move away and you might get bored
Speaker 2: with it or something happens with it. I was very
Speaker 2: into social media back that was like probably twenty sixteen
Speaker 2: or so, when I was just growing and I was
Speaker 2: really new. I was one of the only doctors on
Speaker 2: social media and just posting these and seeing this sort
Speaker 2: of grow really quickly because the algorithm really was there.
Speaker 2: People engaged with you, and they responded. They either loved
Speaker 2: it or they hated it. Tag the friends. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: it's like crazy and I was like, what is this
Speaker 2: and what is this crazy strange power?
Speaker 3: Right? You see it?
Speaker 2: You grow and you're like people are like in you know,
Speaker 2: Bolivia or watching your rights and you have this weird
Speaker 2: sort of influence that was new and interesting, and here
Speaker 2: I am just a dermatologist working in my office and
Speaker 2: now people were coming to me from like across the
Speaker 2: country or other continents.
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to ask. So how much
Speaker 1: of it is education versus entertainment in the social media space.
Speaker 2: I maintain that it's primarily education, but I feel like
Speaker 2: it's interesting. People don't understand the things.
Speaker 3: That lives beneath. Yeah, and I think it's fascinating to everybody.
Speaker 3: I say this all the time.
Speaker 2: It's like, we all know what's normal skin looks like, right,
Speaker 2: so we don't really know. I don't really know what
Speaker 2: a disease liver may look like by looking at it,
Speaker 2: but we know what skin should look like in our eyes,
Speaker 2: and so it's more fascinating, I think, to us because
Speaker 2: it's all relatable to us.
Speaker 1: Right, So I need you to settle something for me
Speaker 1: and tell me if I was on or off. I
Speaker 1: see influencers beating their face with makeup, then going, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get into them just beating their face with makeup
Speaker 1: to begin with, which just makes me cringe more than
Speaker 1: watching a pimple be popped, way more because I'm like
Speaker 1: this is so dumb, which we're going to get into,
Speaker 1: which is also ironic because I do a lot of
Speaker 1: makeup videos, so I see someone going with a full
Speaker 1: beat of makeup onto an airplane for multiple hours. And
Speaker 1: here's what my natural instincts which have gotten me everywhere,
Speaker 1: and why I have good skin in my opinion, why
Speaker 1: I'm thin in my opinion, my natural instincts say, which
Speaker 1: people have debated against because they've been like, what's the
Speaker 1: difference between being on a plane and walking through a
Speaker 1: mall with makeup or through the day, And I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: an airplane is the most dehydrating, drying place in the
Speaker 1: world world. Not to mention you're trapped with other people's germs.
Speaker 1: Now you're in a capsule with layers of makeup on,
Speaker 1: and compounding that with dehydration, and sometimes being dehydrated can
Speaker 1: trap your skin, even make you break out underneath. My opinion,
Speaker 1: those underneath bumps. So it's not always what you see.
Speaker 1: It's like again, what lies beneath, Like your skin's not breathing.
Speaker 1: So I think putting makeup on and going on a plane,
Speaker 1: or putting it on on a plane is crazy and
Speaker 1: you should have the cleanest skin possible and utilize that
Speaker 1: time to cleanse and hydrate because that's the time you're
Speaker 1: going to be so dehydrated. Drink water, Do the best
Speaker 1: you can. That's my gut instinct. How on or off
Speaker 1: am I because people debated me, Yeah, And I think
Speaker 1: this was an issue right on social media recently.
Speaker 3: Not an issue, just a discussion.
Speaker 2: Some people I think we're talking about don't even do
Speaker 2: your skincare regimen there because it's like doing it in
Speaker 2: the toilet or something. You know, it's like in a
Speaker 2: dirty area, So you could think of it that way too.
Speaker 2: But I agree with you. Dehydration is big. I don't
Speaker 2: love putting having a ton of makeup on in the airplane,
Speaker 2: but you know, I also put a little bit of
Speaker 2: makeup on, but I don't like heavy coverage.
Speaker 3: And what happens is that there's occlusion.
Speaker 2: Like if I have heavy makeup on and I'm doing
Speaker 2: some press or something, I want to take that off
Speaker 2: as soon as I can, because it just feels like
Speaker 2: this weight on you when you trapping. Yes, it doesn't
Speaker 2: feel like your skin can breathe properly, And so I
Speaker 2: agree with that. I don't know if I like love
Speaker 2: the idea of people doing a full skincare regimen there.
Speaker 2: I mean it's like you're on the toilet really right,
Speaker 2: and you're like, well.
Speaker 1: I do it before, yeah, doing it on? No, I agree,
Speaker 1: that's a great point too. You're like putting germs into
Speaker 1: the face now, like taking the air, you got to
Speaker 1: seal the practice before you get on.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I don't think it's a huge deal.
Speaker 2: Like I mean, if people want to do that and
Speaker 2: they don't have the time and they got to run
Speaker 2: and do it on the plane, then what are you
Speaker 2: going to do?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: But do I think like everybody should be, you know,
Speaker 2: having pull heads of makeup on the plane or putting
Speaker 2: their makeup on on the plane. No, I mean I
Speaker 2: think it's not a good idea. It's a different environment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you're doing it because you feel like you
Speaker 1: want to look a certain way. So you're saying it's
Speaker 1: the lesser of evils in that moment. You don't want
Speaker 1: to feel bad about the way you look, so you're
Speaker 1: taking that little risk on the table about trapping your skin,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like you're deciding what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: In an ideal world, if you're on an airplane. Isn't
Speaker 1: no makeup a better idea?
Speaker 3: Of course? Okay, that's what I thought.
Speaker 1: I definitely will break out after a couple of things
Speaker 1: of makeup, like having it on. This is also ironic
Speaker 1: because I talk about makeup like not a lot, and
Speaker 1: I've gone to get microdermabration, which I still do love.
Speaker 1: And no matter how well you've cleaned your skin, when
Speaker 1: they take that little white pad out, it's makeup.
Speaker 3: On there and they tell you look at it.
Speaker 1: And if it is a month where I've done more photoshoots,
Speaker 1: you see more like it's very hard to really get
Speaker 1: it all out.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sure, But on that note, you got to be careful
Speaker 2: with those sorts of things too, because too much of
Speaker 2: a good thing is excessive.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: There are certainly people who have body dysmorphia and they're
Speaker 2: scrubbing their face. Oh no you can't, So you got
Speaker 2: to there's like a balance, you know, there's dirt everywhere.
Speaker 3: You could be getting your face.
Speaker 2: If you do a microdermoerbration after not wearing any makeup,
Speaker 2: you may still have.
Speaker 3: That would be a nice test.
Speaker 1: An hour after you wake up you didn't do anything,
Speaker 1: and there's dirt in your face. It's just dirt in
Speaker 1: the world. Yeah, that's a great point too, But I
Speaker 1: do think that it's crazy watching influencers talk about their
Speaker 1: skin and covering the pounds of makeup and then the
Speaker 1: being upset about having bad skin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a vicious cycle, right, because then you have
Speaker 2: to cover it up and then that promotes it more.
Speaker 2: But like, what are you gonna do? It's just the
Speaker 2: way the world runs. It's very hard for them to
Speaker 2: go bare. It's like going into rehab and like cold turkey.
Speaker 2: You just cutting yourself off or something. It's really hard
Speaker 2: to do that. This is a protection, This is an
Speaker 2: armor that a lot of us wear.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Makeup is protection and makes us feel better, makes us
Speaker 2: look better to others, and so it has negative effects
Speaker 2: certainly if you overdo it.
Speaker 1: So interesting, I just think that I've a guy that
Speaker 1: I dated said to me, you are the least vain
Speaker 1: person I have ever met in my life, And I
Speaker 1: think it might just be that, Like I have so
Speaker 1: many other issues like organizational and a rose season whatever.
Speaker 2: But I think it's easy for you too. You look beautiful,
Speaker 2: You're thin, you know what I mean. I mean, that's
Speaker 2: something you're blessed with no But I have dark circles
Speaker 2: and all the things. I just have a thing where
Speaker 2: I want to feel like.
Speaker 1: It's I want to feel healthy more than I want
Speaker 1: to look good.
Speaker 3: That's just my thing, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 3: got it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had the extensions in and I for a
Speaker 1: couple of months. I took them out. I was like,
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm damaging my hair.
Speaker 2: I think I've talked. I heard you talk about eyelash extensions.
Speaker 2: I had them for a while and I hate them now.
Speaker 2: I'll never go back to eyelash extensions that kind of thing.
Speaker 1: My hair and eyelashes have grown like forty percent. They
Speaker 1: are like thick an it's wild. And I didn't even
Speaker 1: do it for that long. But yeah, I think it's
Speaker 1: just I guess you're right. It's about finding the balance
Speaker 1: it is. So how do you monetize this business experience,
Speaker 1: et cetera.
Speaker 3: Is there a product line?
Speaker 2: Yes, I have my own product line. I have SMD Care,
Speaker 2: which started as an acne treatment system. You know, because
Speaker 2: obviously pimples and sense because all these people around the
Speaker 2: world were looking for answers. So that is one thing
Speaker 2: that we certainly started. But the monetization was really interesting
Speaker 2: in you back then when it first started, like in
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen or sixteen or so, because I was monetizing
Speaker 2: my Blackhead extractions like on YouTube, and it was going like,
Speaker 2: you know, what is it like a penny, like a
Speaker 2: thousand views or whatnot, But we have like five point
Speaker 2: three or so billion views. I mean, it's crazy how
Speaker 2: many people watch these videos over and over again.
Speaker 3: So you were able to just monetize the content itself.
Speaker 2: Yes, but things changed a little bit because then now
Speaker 2: a lot of the content is not what they deem
Speaker 2: advertisable because it's shocking or gross.
Speaker 3: To people, you know.
Speaker 2: So there's been a little bit of a dilemma there,
Speaker 2: which is actually things that I'd like to ask advice
Speaker 2: from you about, you know. I mean, I think it's
Speaker 2: so interesting how I was able to grow this and
Speaker 2: then have a TV show from this, and a product
Speaker 2: line and you know, a book and all this sort
Speaker 2: of thing, which is really beyond anything I ever really imagined.
Speaker 2: And it can be very complicated and difficult in what
Speaker 2: I do because you don't really want to watch this stuff.
Speaker 2: It makes you uncomfortable, it makes you and so people
Speaker 2: demit shocking or gross, and so sometimes you can't really
Speaker 2: put the graphics stuff up.
Speaker 1: Where's the greatest generator of income and all your business?
Speaker 1: Where's your money coming from the most?
Speaker 3: Probably?
Speaker 2: I mean, we've got the TV show, We've got my
Speaker 2: skincare line. I mean, I think I've got multiple funnels
Speaker 2: kind of coming in my work. But I work like
Speaker 2: two days a week now, so I'm not working extensively
Speaker 2: because the show gets in the way. What's interesting is
Speaker 2: that this all happened but I had a day job.
Speaker 3: This wasn't my whole thing.
Speaker 2: So I also feel a little safety in having a
Speaker 2: day job that I know I'm good at, I'm successful at,
Speaker 2: and that I'm sort of in this world of a
Speaker 2: smaller group of people that I have to compete against
Speaker 2: to be, you know, a good dermatologists.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So I have this show that I love that I
Speaker 2: think is really special. I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 2: seen it, but it really has to do with the
Speaker 2: stories behind the people that you're changing.
Speaker 3: Which is such a lovely thing.
Speaker 2: But of course we have to tackle some really big cases,
Speaker 2: probably bigger than I ever imagine that i'd really be
Speaker 2: doing in my life. You know, but I'm a dermatologic surgeon.
Speaker 2: I would say more so than other things. I'm sort
Speaker 2: of cosmetic and surgical dermatology.
Speaker 1: It's a little bit like Botched or the two guys
Speaker 1: on Eve that had the plastic surgery show like.
Speaker 3: It is, but more like real people in the world.
Speaker 2: You know, Yes, they can't leave their house because they
Speaker 2: have like, oh wow, growth on their nose that's like
Speaker 2: the size of a grapefruit.
Speaker 3: Little.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some crazy, crazy surgeries that we've dealt with.
Speaker 2: So it's been a weird journey, Like it's weird to
Speaker 2: be in this world. I live in LA now and
Speaker 2: I've grown up in this area outside of La.
Speaker 3: Oh, your practice is in LA.
Speaker 2: It's in the Inland Empire. It's between La and Palm Springs.
Speaker 2: But it's in Calful, Okay, got upland Clairemont area. But
Speaker 2: now I live in LA and I think it's just
Speaker 2: weird to be in that industry too, because as a dermatologist,
Speaker 2: you go through your life and that's what you do.
Speaker 2: You don't really touch these other areas of the world,
Speaker 2: and so it's very weird to be, you know, in
Speaker 2: this industry where you're a doctor but you're also sort
Speaker 2: of an entertainer or you know, or a celebrity.
Speaker 1: So you're trying to find because it's also this show
Speaker 1: is not mainstream and the content is often not in
Speaker 1: the mainstream. You're trying to find the thing that's gonna
Speaker 1: no pun intended pop off and you can monetize.
Speaker 3: Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 2: I think we found something, you know, I think we
Speaker 2: have something really great.
Speaker 3: I'm very proud of what we do.
Speaker 2: It's just that it's an interesting position that I found
Speaker 2: myself in.
Speaker 3: And I but what do you needed? You saying you
Speaker 3: could get advice from me about what, like what is
Speaker 3: the problem to solve?
Speaker 2: I just think that you have great natural sort of
Speaker 2: skills and thinking in this way. And yeah, I think
Speaker 2: people say it all the time. We are not business people.
Speaker 2: As physicians, that's not really what we're trained to think
Speaker 2: or do. And so it's been very interesting and fun
Speaker 2: to do that. And I think that I do have
Speaker 2: an entrepreneurial side. But it's just like you're always trying
Speaker 2: to solve something like you're switching. You're like Muhammad Ali, right,
Speaker 2: I feel like we kind of go with the punches
Speaker 2: and we sort of move forward as best we can,
Speaker 2: and we sort of dog you know, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: figure out myself.
Speaker 3: You were reinventing yourself a lot.
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it on purpose though, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: I'm not thinking about it at all. This is all accidental.
Speaker 1: My philosophy is when the tables go cold, I'm walking
Speaker 1: out like this is ridiculous, Like the whole thing is ridiculous.
Speaker 3: So that's how everything has been.
Speaker 1: It's for me, I've just been I'm a very serious
Speaker 1: person in a sense that I can't help but have
Speaker 1: ten thousand ideas and execute them and market them. And
Speaker 1: there's no one that gets things done like I do,
Speaker 1: or delegates like I do. But it's been all totally accidental.
Speaker 1: It's just almost like a fun garage band for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like it's weird.
Speaker 1: That's why people ask me to do a skincare line
Speaker 1: all the time, a makeup line.
Speaker 3: I don't want to do it. Yeah, I don't want
Speaker 3: to do it.
Speaker 1: I don't do anything I don't want to do, Like
Speaker 1: I don't go anywhere I don't want to go. I
Speaker 1: don't do anything I don't want to do. But it
Speaker 1: ends up working because that people ended up really trusting me, right,
Speaker 1: So I would say you have it's very very clear
Speaker 1: because you keep saying this is crazy, and this is
Speaker 1: what my first piece of advice to you would be
Speaker 1: very clear on what you want. If there's something that
Speaker 1: you do want it, like I want to make a
Speaker 1: lot of money in addition to you're helping people. You
Speaker 1: don't have to say only that there's nothing wrong. Whatever
Speaker 1: your thing is. I don't do anything now that's not charity.
Speaker 1: I have a marketing paid because I don't want to
Speaker 1: do it, So you can't pay like I make more
Speaker 1: than anyone to do any of the things that I
Speaker 1: do because I don't give a shit if I do
Speaker 1: them or not, because no one moves product like I do,
Speaker 1: not a person because I don't care. I care about
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about, but I'm saying you have to
Speaker 1: be very truthful because the universe hears everything, and be
Speaker 1: very honest about what you want, Like you want to
Speaker 1: build a global brand, you want to make a billion dollars,
Speaker 1: you want to just enjoy your life and have a
Speaker 1: balance but still make a good living, Like you have
Speaker 1: to be very clear on who you want to be
Speaker 1: and what you want to do.
Speaker 2: That's interesting because I mean, you feel like you have
Speaker 2: to have a goal in place. You really have to
Speaker 2: have a clear cut goal.
Speaker 1: It can change, and it can be concept well, it
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be I want to have a skincare line.
Speaker 1: It can change, and it can be like playing chess
Speaker 1: and checkers at the exact same time. Like you somehow
Speaker 1: have these like visions and these fantasies about that board,
Speaker 1: but then you're also playing checkers in this moment, and
Speaker 1: they have to like dance with each other and change.
Speaker 3: Like I said, I literally sat down. I was talking
Speaker 3: about makeup.
Speaker 1: I had no makeup, and I'd write a cover girl
Speaker 1: thing a foundation, and was like, wait, I didn't know
Speaker 1: people did videos on YouTube. I didn't know there were
Speaker 1: makeup people doing videos. I didn't know people were getting snatched.
Speaker 1: I didn't know there was a filter. I didn't know anything.
Speaker 1: Once it started to pop off, Okay, I'm a person
Speaker 1: who's teed up. There are too many fish right here
Speaker 1: for me to not take the net. But now that
Speaker 1: I have a teamworking for me and it's happening, I
Speaker 1: am navigating and making decisions about what it all means.
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean, oh I want to have a TV show.
Speaker 3: I want to have that. I want to have that.
Speaker 1: That's not an overall strategy, that's a thing, but my
Speaker 1: overall concept. I understand exactly what it is and what
Speaker 1: it means at all times. And you have to find
Speaker 1: a way to align the skincare, which you do every day.
Speaker 1: Even the conversation about wanting to look good and being
Speaker 1: on a makeup like, that's a real conversation that like,
Speaker 1: I'm a dermatologist, but I want to look good, And
Speaker 1: it's a conflict for me because I know this, but
Speaker 1: I do that. So I decided this, like be open
Speaker 1: and honest in the moment to what's going on and
Speaker 1: craft whatever the the is around it, like it all fits.
Speaker 1: But you have to make all the puzzle pieces fit,
Speaker 1: from the alien thing on someone's nose to this to
Speaker 1: the product line. They all have to speak one very clear,
Speaker 1: fluent language.
Speaker 2: One thing that I think is interesting is there is
Speaker 2: a little bit of a conflict. I don't know if
Speaker 2: this will make sense to you, but that there's a
Speaker 2: little conflict because I am a professional. I am a dermatologist,
Speaker 2: so I feel like I hear it.
Speaker 3: But that's going to be the problem.
Speaker 1: This is literally has nothing to do with you, But
Speaker 1: it's what I said is wrong with Megan Markle be
Speaker 1: a famous brand, reality store, or be a royal.
Speaker 3: We cannot be in the riptide. We decide who we are.
Speaker 3: We led and you left. You can't hang.
Speaker 1: Onto a title, bake jam and then also monetize what
Speaker 1: you're wearing with an affiliate link.
Speaker 3: Who are you? What do you want to be when
Speaker 3: you grow up? Decide now and be that.
Speaker 1: If you feel like there's some version of it that
Speaker 1: lacks integrity to what you originally do, talk about it,
Speaker 1: include it, include it in the whole thing. But as
Speaker 1: long as it's truthful, threat it, you're allowed to be
Speaker 1: two things at once. Yes, I make a lot more
Speaker 1: money now than when I was on reality TV in
Speaker 1: a box of what I'm supposed to be, and people
Speaker 1: now think I'm just some crazy ant talking to a
Speaker 1: chicken salad sitting in an attic. I don't give a
Speaker 1: shit what they think. I know what it is and
Speaker 1: what I'm doing, and what I mean to women and
Speaker 1: what I mean to young women, just my personality.
Speaker 3: So if I say it, people know it's true.
Speaker 1: So whatever it is, just be honest in the moment
Speaker 1: about what it is and like bring them with you
Speaker 1: on the that talk about this conflict.
Speaker 3: I feel like a sellout.
Speaker 1: I love doing this whatever, but I feel like there's
Speaker 1: something that so many women are going to have the same.
Speaker 3: YEA in their field. They're going to relate to that
Speaker 3: another way.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: I'm a nurse and I feel like it's weird that
Speaker 1: I want to be whatever. I want to be at
Speaker 1: stripper about the airport, that's weird.
Speaker 3: You could do both. You can actually be a nurse
Speaker 3: and dance by the airport if you want to. I can't.
Speaker 3: You can't. I can't do that. No, I know what's saying.
Speaker 1: One can you feel that you can't, but you have
Speaker 1: to thread it together whatever it well, yeah, but do
Speaker 1: you want to see a dermatologist who is a stripper?
Speaker 3: Would you be like asol, I couldn't care less. You
Speaker 3: don't think that would get in.
Speaker 2: That would decrease your confidence in them as a surgeon.
Speaker 3: It depends how it lands. It's if they can land it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, in twenty twenty five, I absolutely could go
Speaker 1: to a doctor that danced at night as long as
Speaker 1: they were communicating it. It makes me past I don't
Speaker 1: care what anyone does. I would create the best plastic
Speaker 1: surgeons in New York have had major problems, like people
Speaker 1: have lives. I'm just saying this is went off on
Speaker 1: a tangent. You are allowed to be a successful dermatologist.
Speaker 3: Right, and a human a person and do stand up comedy.
Speaker 1: And be successful at both. I always bring up Stacy's
Speaker 1: Peeda chips. I wonder if she knows that I brought
Speaker 1: up twenty five times since she's been on the podcast minimum.
Speaker 1: But years ago, Stacey from Stacy's Peter Chips. She sold
Speaker 1: it for two hundred fifty million dollars. She was a
Speaker 1: sandwich cart. It was freezing every day in Chicago. The
Speaker 1: only thing they couldn't run out of is bread. And
Speaker 1: when they ran out of the other stuff, her brother
Speaker 1: had a recipe and they made these peda chips and
Speaker 1: that was the thing. Wasn't the sandwiches. She's not Stacy
Speaker 1: sandwiches for two hundred fifty million. So you gotta be
Speaker 1: allowed to, like, look where the fish are, yeah, and
Speaker 1: go there and keep your base. You don't need to
Speaker 1: let go of your practice. And then it might be weird.
Speaker 1: But I think that's what happened. With the pimple popping.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened.
Speaker 2: It's like, what is this random thing, and let's grow
Speaker 2: this into something exactly.
Speaker 1: But you need the base for the credibility in that space.
Speaker 1: That's why you're staying with it, and so are you're
Speaker 1: doing it two days a week.
Speaker 3: I look at.
Speaker 1: Doctors who are very good and who are in there
Speaker 1: five days a week, all day thinking there's a cap
Speaker 1: on it. And if you want to make money, do it.
Speaker 1: No matter what you do the math twenty ways, hire
Speaker 1: twenty doctors under you. If you have to be there's
Speaker 1: still a cap. So you don't want there to be
Speaker 1: a cap you want to do other things, Yes, I
Speaker 1: would say.
Speaker 3: The only thing I'm getting.
Speaker 1: Is the trepidation and the hesitation and you not second
Speaker 1: guessing yourself, you knowing exactly what it is, but feeling
Speaker 1: like you have to overcompensate and explain it. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what you have to just like let go of, Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is what it is. And I'm on a journey
Speaker 1: and I'm going to put it all together, and when
Speaker 1: it doesn't fit, I'm going to tell you it doesn't fit,
Speaker 1: and then I'll make something else fit yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like your adventure is continuing and
Speaker 2: you're just finding yourself in new places, in new ways,
Speaker 2: and like you know, and you're taking us all on
Speaker 2: that trip.
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: It's funny. I talk to my therapist today. I don't
Speaker 1: know how whatl do you mind? If I ask au
Speaker 1: old you are?
Speaker 3: I am fifty four? Oh, my same age. Oh when's
Speaker 3: your birthday? December December twenty oh, so we're very clo
Speaker 3: I'm November fourth.
Speaker 1: So my therapist was saying today, it's not exactly related,
Speaker 1: but you'll find something in this because you're the same
Speaker 1: age that there's a lot different with me. And it's
Speaker 1: all on the inside. It's not on the outside. And
Speaker 1: this is getting caught up in a superficial thing that
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But whether it's selling sixty bags, it's not
Speaker 1: about the bags. It's about why I would have them,
Speaker 1: and it's what it represents. I'm super confident inside. I'm
Speaker 1: very secure right now inside, and I feel like it's
Speaker 1: coming through and it's not an intention even in a
Speaker 1: weird way of like dating, where like for the first
Speaker 1: time in my adult life of being single, I forget
Speaker 1: It's like people who forget to eat, and you're like,
Speaker 1: how do you forget to eat? If I'm in something
Speaker 1: with someone or dating someone, or someone who's in the
Speaker 1: stable who's texting me, and like, this could be a
Speaker 1: major really rich, good looking great and I like them
Speaker 1: and I'm present when i'm there if I go at them,
Speaker 1: but if I don't have it, I don't care.
Speaker 3: And if they don't text, then goodbye. And I've never
Speaker 3: been like that.
Speaker 1: I've been more girly where it's like he didn't calling
Speaker 1: my friends telling him every stupid detail all day long.
Speaker 2: So you like this new version of you or this
Speaker 2: better version of you, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I think that a lot of these years
Speaker 1: that were probably more prime like dating and evolving, were
Speaker 1: spent being a little bit drowning in this house. And
Speaker 1: I'm going to put the silver lining on the fact
Speaker 1: that I think it made me reflect a lot. I
Speaker 1: think I've been alone a lot, and I'm alone or anyway,
Speaker 1: but I've been alone more than normal and I've done
Speaker 1: a lot of reflecting. So I think it ended up
Speaker 1: coming out to what this result is now in this
Speaker 1: like vortex of moving, well, I'm.
Speaker 2: In a different stage. I'm in a new stage in
Speaker 2: my life and the show reflects that a little bit.
Speaker 2: That I'm an empty nester now. My kids both went
Speaker 2: to school in the East Coast, so I'm with my
Speaker 2: husband now, and I mean, which is great, but also
Speaker 2: like you're hanging out with them all the time, you know,
Speaker 2: we moved to a new area. I have great girlfriends,
Speaker 2: but they're not living in this area. So it's actually
Speaker 2: a weird transition with me, like where I think I'm
Speaker 2: like you too, like I have to be busy.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be. It just comes to me.
Speaker 2: I say yes to pretty much everything. I mean, I
Speaker 2: think I'm a yes person. I'm a people pleaser, but
Speaker 2: I also like what I do. I like to stay
Speaker 2: very busy, and so it's actually really hard for me
Speaker 2: sometimes because I'll have a day off and then I'll
Speaker 2: have sort of a free plan because I'm used to
Speaker 2: go and work right patients and doing things, so like
Speaker 2: it gets a little bit like, oh my gosh, what
Speaker 2: am I doing with my life?
Speaker 3: But I'm busy. But I'm also I understand.
Speaker 1: I'm like, ah, okay, so it's different my therapist today,
Speaker 1: but no, I like this, but it's different because I
Speaker 1: don't want anything on my calendar, and my entire life
Speaker 1: is about the opposite. I'm not a people person, and
Speaker 1: it's about pushing it off. But because I have endless ideas,
Speaker 1: as the CMO of Beam Global once said, You're an
Speaker 1: idea hamster, it seeps in. I don't want it. It's
Speaker 1: like an addiction to me. It's different. It's like fuck
Speaker 1: for me. I don't want it, and I don't want
Speaker 1: to be busy, and I want to be like walking
Speaker 1: on the beach and wandering, and I want the data
Speaker 1: just dissolve into nothing. That's literally an analogy to my
Speaker 1: entire career right now. I didn't want any of this,
Speaker 1: But it's not like I don't like it. It's just
Speaker 1: like I'm constantly saying no. Like the whole move is,
Speaker 1: I'm never going back to this life in this house again,
Speaker 1: where it was busy and the stuff and everyone's sending me.
Speaker 1: You'd think I was a crazy person because I've told
Speaker 1: my entire staff, do not accept one thing.
Speaker 3: I don't want it.
Speaker 1: I mean literally diamonds and cars and coffee. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't want it because I want to preserve my peace.
Speaker 1: But I relate to what you're saying, because even with
Speaker 1: the depth of busy that I have and the depth
Speaker 1: of demand, I still feel like, what is this all?
Speaker 3: What does this even mean?
Speaker 1: And even if you're busy, it's just not it's just
Speaker 1: distracting from thinking about what this all is. And that's
Speaker 1: the core thing that I actually got to call my
Speaker 1: therapist back and talk about, because that's the core thing
Speaker 1: you're going through. And I could say something stupid to you,
Speaker 1: like you should take up meditating, and then you're like,
Speaker 1: why don't you fuck off? Because you should take up
Speaker 1: meditating just as much as I should. So the whole
Speaker 1: thing I think is about us at this age because
Speaker 1: you know we're older, you know the health is different,
Speaker 1: you know the kids are older. You're thinking you're not
Speaker 1: like dreading death, but you know that you don't have
Speaker 1: that many years to look this good.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like, yes, you look good.
Speaker 1: And you could just say, Okay, I'm gonna be retired
Speaker 1: now because what's the point of all this because life
Speaker 1: is short? But like them, what are you gonna do?
Speaker 1: Sit and just look at a sunset for two hours?
Speaker 1: So you're doing what I'm doing, which is.
Speaker 2: Not the same way, but it's a stage you're just
Speaker 2: trying to figure yourself out now in this new sort
Speaker 2: of era of your life, and there's a lot of
Speaker 2: other things that are going on. And it's such a
Speaker 2: weird stage because when you have kids, it's sort of
Speaker 2: like you're focused around them. Now you have this thing
Speaker 2: where you're like, it's me and I got to figure
Speaker 2: out what I need to do to be happy, because yeah,
Speaker 2: you're thinking about the end of your life.
Speaker 3: You still have many years.
Speaker 1: I know, but you're understand how lucky you are, not
Speaker 1: because of being privileged, you know, and having money, but
Speaker 1: because you have a thing. And this is connected to
Speaker 1: what I say on this podcast all the time. Many
Speaker 1: women our age because I've met all the men that
Speaker 1: are divorced from them, have lost custody of their children.
Speaker 1: They're drinking, they're taking pills because they.
Speaker 3: Are where we are.
Speaker 1: They don't even have the career to cling on to
Speaker 1: because you can't go shopping in a circular reference or
Speaker 1: sewing costumes is over if your kids get older. So like,
Speaker 1: pretend you don't have money, you don't sew costumes, you
Speaker 1: haven't built a career. Your husband could have had his
Speaker 1: own mid life crisis glove up. A lot of these
Speaker 1: guys are working out in their garage and they've got
Speaker 1: stuff going on. They're playing golf, and you feel like, wait,
Speaker 1: I'm left behind. So we are very lucky to even
Speaker 1: have a thing to cling to. And it's why I
Speaker 1: try to tell young women, you cannot see the whole board.
Speaker 1: Why don't you just get the bag and get married.
Speaker 1: This is a long road and if you do not
Speaker 1: cultivate something, you're going to feel like you don't have purpose.
Speaker 1: Because I often feel like and that's ridiculous. It's ridiculous
Speaker 1: with the things that I'm going on that I would
Speaker 1: think that. So that's what the podcast is for the
Speaker 1: social media too. I always feel like, just naturally have
Speaker 1: an inclination to talk to younger women about the mistakes
Speaker 1: that they could be making in a way that they
Speaker 1: could actually digest. Because I didn't have any parenting.
Speaker 2: I think that's really important because I don't think there
Speaker 2: are many voices that are our age that are talking
Speaker 2: to young people about that. I've never had a therapist,
Speaker 2: and I probably should, but I did never have, and
Speaker 2: I feel like a lot of times my patients have
Speaker 2: sort of been little therapist here and there. It's like
Speaker 2: literally you're talking to somebody at the grocery store and
Speaker 2: the person turns around and you have to talk to them.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's how I feel like when I.
Speaker 2: Deal with my patients, because you've talked a round them,
Speaker 2: people that you may never talk to in your life,
Speaker 2: and you learn so much from them.
Speaker 3: That's great. That, by the way, that's like a book. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But also you're like me and that you're a crowdsourcer
Speaker 1: and then you make your own decision. You crowdsource, and
Speaker 1: but you're on the stove making the recipe. Ultimately, Like
Speaker 1: I'm a big crowdsourcer. I don't listen to what anyone
Speaker 1: tells me to do, but I love to hear other
Speaker 1: people's perspectives to mold my own way to do it.
Speaker 2: But I think one of my problems is I have
Speaker 2: a hard time delegating. I will end up trying to
Speaker 2: do it mysef horrible. I do that too, But no,
Speaker 2: that's horrible. It's very hard though. How do you do that?
Speaker 2: How do you let it go to somebody else?
Speaker 1: Because you have to find your one Huna Huma Abidin
Speaker 1: or Cheryl Samberg to your right that I found that,
Speaker 1: and you have to find that person who they understand
Speaker 1: your body and they're in it with you the whole way.
Speaker 2: I have that at work, like you know, as a physician,
Speaker 2: as a dermatologist, but I don't think I have that
Speaker 2: in this other sort of a career that sort of happened.
Speaker 3: You know, you have to find that. You have to
Speaker 3: find that. It's not an assistant. You have to find that.
Speaker 1: You have to find that, and you have to pay
Speaker 1: them because it's gonna be expensive, it's gonna hurt, it's
Speaker 1: gonna make a lot of money. So it's funny because
Speaker 1: Tanks came on and she said this was therapy. So
Speaker 1: I guess I guess I should have been a therapist
Speaker 1: in another life for myself too, though it was therapy
Speaker 1: for me too, So fine, I.
Speaker 3: Have no idea.
Speaker 2: Oh that's it is really like I would have never
Speaker 2: thought that this conversation goes this way.
Speaker 3: You know that is that is really cool?
Speaker 1: Well, all right, so your show is Doctor Pimple Popper
Speaker 1: breaking Out. I feel like we covered like a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's on Lifetime. I moved love Lifetime.
Speaker 3: I did a Lifetime show. I love Lifetime.
Speaker 2: Mondays at nine and we have we just made twenty
Speaker 2: episodes and so that's like three patients per episode, and
Speaker 2: they're big cases wow craziness. And you know, we'll see
Speaker 2: what happens. We'll see if there's another season and there'll
Speaker 2: be another another twenty or so, we'll see what happens there.
Speaker 2: But it's very exciting, really proud of it. It really
Speaker 2: is an amazing show because it's the opposite of other
Speaker 2: reality shows.
Speaker 3: I say this all the time.
Speaker 2: Reality shows like Real Housewives, they're dealing with people who
Speaker 2: are normal who are trying.
Speaker 3: To be crazy. I mean, first of all, okay, maybe
Speaker 3: they're not always normal.
Speaker 2: We can unpop that on a later episode, yes, but
Speaker 2: I think like for me, it's like the crazy. It's
Speaker 2: sort of walking in and you're trying to make them
Speaker 2: everything put back in place and be normal.
Speaker 3: So it's like the opposite almost. Yeah, I understand that
Speaker 3: the upside down.
Speaker 1: Yes, it starts with the thing that's atypical and gets
Speaker 1: to hopefully some version of normal and this other thing
Speaker 1: like like it is.
Speaker 3: Like a roller coaster and it like ratchets up.
Speaker 2: I don't think I could ever do The Real Housewives
Speaker 2: myself because I don't. I would feel again, like I said,
Speaker 2: like I'm a physician, like I would be really stressed
Speaker 2: about being crazy at some point, you know, or something
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 3: It's not for you. Yeah, it's not for me. So
Speaker 3: I think this has been perfect. Well, well, it's so
Speaker 3: nice to meet you and talk to you so interesting.
Speaker 3: It's really nice to meet you.
Speaker 2: I hope I can be out there in the Hamptons
Speaker 2: or something or my something like that will see well, yes,
Speaker 2: I'm moving and I'm in the Hampton and this is
Speaker 2: our new era.
Speaker 3: You and I. We'll see how we both land.