1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: February two thousand four, Maura Murray empties her bank account, 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: drives four hours from school, crashes her car, and vanishes. 3 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Joined the search as an investigative reporter, uncovers new evidence, 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: interrogates new witnesses, traces down new leads in this riveting 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: new investigative series, The Disappearance of Maura Murray Saturday's seven 6 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: sixth Central and nine eight Central on Oxygen, the new 7 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: network for crime Climb Stories with Nancy Grace on Sirius 8 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: x M Triumph Channel one thirty two. She's the woman 9 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: who was sexually assaulted by famed movie director Roman Polanski 10 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: forty years ago when she was only thirteen. It just 11 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: wasn't as traumatic for me as everybody would like to 12 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: believe it was. Polanski fled the United States to France 13 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: in night before his sentence. Six now eight three year 14 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: old Polansky lives mostly in France and his been seeking 15 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: to be sentenced in absentia. The sixty year old woman 16 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:06,680 Speaker 1: identified only as Robin, walked into the conference room hand 17 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: in hand with attorney Gloria Allred. She says, when she 18 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: was sixteen years old, director Roman Polanski sexually assaulted her 19 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: and needs to be held accountable. Polanski's attorney, Harlan Brown, 20 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 1: is discrediting the new accusations against Polanski. I think it's 21 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: just an attempt to get some publicity. You know, it's 22 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: been said so many times. A leopard can't change their spots. 23 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: I'm talking, of course, about Hollywood star director Roman Polanski, 24 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: who was now facing more rape charges abroad after having 25 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: escaped a rape charge on a minor here in the US. 26 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for 27 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: being with us, with me, Jos got Morgan, forensics investigator, 28 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 1: Marie Napoli, high profile lawyer, and joining me Alexis to 29 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: rest Chuck from Radar online dot Com. Alexa first to 30 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: you first of all, before I go through his last 31 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: rape charge here in the US, and he's been hiding 32 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: out and his multimillion dollar home ever since. Overseas. What's 33 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: the new rape allegation? A new woman has come forward. 34 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: She is in her sixties now. Her name is Renee Langer. 35 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:20,800 Speaker 1: She says when she was fifteen years old in nineteen 36 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: seventy two, that Roman Plansky raped her, not once, but 37 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 1: more than one time. She said she was a young actress. 38 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: She was in a movie with him and he raped 39 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: her in a hotel room. She said, not only did 40 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 1: that happen, she then went to Rome another location while 41 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: she was filming the movie, and he raped her again. 42 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: She has come forward all these years later because she 43 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: says she was humiliated, embarrassed, shocked when it happened. She 44 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: was so young she did not want to tell her parents. 45 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,399 Speaker 1: She was too embarrassed and afraid of what they would say. 46 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: Both of her parents passed away within the last two years, 47 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: and she said she's held the secret and for too long, 48 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: and she had to tell what happened. This after we 49 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: know Polanski has skated free on another rape charge here 50 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: in the US. In that case, a young teen girl 51 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: was quote scouted for a movie role, told how beautiful 52 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: she was, blah blah blah blah. How old was the 53 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: US victim? Alexi's Trest Chuck thirteen, Oh Dear Lord in Heaven. 54 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: Roman Polanski is the man behind classic movies like Rosemary's Baby, 55 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: China Town. He won an Academy Award for Best Director 56 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 1: for the film The Pianist, and he has been repeatedly 57 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: accused of sex misconduct with children. Now the claim here 58 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: in the US was largely pooh pooed because he's famous 59 00:03:55,920 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: and she wasn't. But now similar claims arising across the ocean. 60 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: Back to Alexa's stress, Chuck with Radar online dot Com 61 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: The New York Times his reporting that Renate Langer, she's 62 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: now sixty one, of Germany, spoke with police in Switzerland 63 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: alleging Roman Polanski raped her several times when she was 64 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 1: an underaged teen A former model and actress. She says 65 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: she confided at the time to a little boyfriend, but 66 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: did not report them at the time because she was 67 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: worried about how her parents would have reacted. She was 68 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,799 Speaker 1: afraid quote, my mother would have had a heart attack. 69 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 1: I felt ashamed, embarrassed, lost, so low and as Alexas 70 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: just said, she's coming forward now because it will bring 71 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: her parents no pain as they have passed on again 72 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 1: the circumstances surrounding the new rape allegations on Roman Polansky. 73 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: And this is killing me because I have been listening 74 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: to the elite pseudo intellectual saying, oh, he's been punished 75 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: enough because he had to go overseas, he's living in 76 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: a mansion in Switzerland. He's not being punished. He's still 77 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,360 Speaker 1: a film director. He's won an oscar for Pete's sake, 78 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 1: and now more girl victims emerge. Alexis helped me. Well 79 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: that's the thing. I mean. Roman Plansky was found guilty, 80 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: convicted of these charges. He was about to go to jail, 81 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: and he fled the US and he's been on the 82 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: run of her since. And people, even the victim, the 83 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: California victim, has come forward and she said, oh man, 84 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: you know it wasn't his fault. I agree to it. People, 85 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: system does not except that at all. He is guilty 86 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: and he has hidden from his sentence for decades. How 87 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: is it that a rape victim, a little girl rape victim, 88 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:57,440 Speaker 1: who was given booze and drugs and a hot tub 89 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: of a famous Hollywood director, somehow now thinks it's her fault, 90 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 1: given booze and drugs in a hot tub of a 91 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: Hollywood director, a famous Hollywood director, and now somehow they've 92 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: gotten to her and she thinks it's all her fault. 93 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: And now another rape victim emerges allegedly let me tell 94 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,119 Speaker 1: you follow up on what Alexis terres Chuck from Radar 95 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: online dot Com is telling us. This new victim says 96 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: she met with Roman Polansky. While she was working as 97 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: a model. He invited her to his home and stad 98 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: because he was considering her for a film role. My 99 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: that sounds familiar. She claims. Polanski first raped her in 100 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: a bedroom at his home, again familiar, a second time 101 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: in Rome, where she traveled after being cast in a 102 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: small part in one of his films. She played um 103 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: naked girl with a hat in the film w h 104 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: A t question mark is the name of the film, 105 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,360 Speaker 1: so that much has been corroborated. Now her allegation is 106 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: the fourth claim against Roman Polansky, and even when people 107 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: are writing about him, they refer to him as the 108 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: legendary director instead of the convicted rapist. What do they 109 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: mean by that? Alexis the fourth such allegation against Roman Polansky, 110 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: the Hollywood director. Well, I think similar to what happens 111 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: with Bill Cosby, when one woman feels empowered enough to 112 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: come forward, it really shows the other women that they 113 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,240 Speaker 1: have nothing to hide and that there is support for 114 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: them out there, so they come forward and it has 115 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: opened the floodgates. And people have said this for years 116 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: with Polansky, that this woman or this child in California 117 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: could not have been the only victim. It wasn't a 118 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: first time thing, and it certainly wasn't the last. And 119 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: this is what it shows that this woman was still 120 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 1: because this is four years after Roman Plansky is beautiful, 121 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: pregnant White was murdered by the Charles Manson family in 122 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: their home in Beverly Hills. And and he has said 123 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: many times if that affected him so much, I'm not 124 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: sure how one horrific murder. Don't please, don't drag Sharon 125 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: takes murder into this. I want to tell you something else, Alexas. Now, 126 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 1: this guy actually pled guilty, pled guilty. This multi millionaire 127 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: Hollywood director pleads guilty all the sex assault of this 128 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: little girl. And this is what happened in that case. 129 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: The then forty three year old Hollywood director met thirteen 130 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: year old Samantha Gailey. Claimed he was interested in photographing 131 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: her for a project he claimed for a French fashion magazine. 132 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: Then he took pictures of her in his l A home. 133 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: Then he asked her to quote sit for him at 134 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: the Mulholland Drive home of Hollywood star Jack Nicholson. Nicholson 135 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: was traveling his girlfriend Angelica. He suston that we all 136 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: know famous star was at the residence, but when Gilly 137 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,680 Speaker 1: got there she wasn't home. They had the photo shoot 138 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: and it ended up I love the way people right. 139 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: It ended up with the forty three year old director 140 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: and the thirteen year old girl in a hot tub. 141 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: She had champagne and queyludes, and they had oral, vaginal 142 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: and anal sex in a bedroom. A thirteen year old 143 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: girl anal six to the grand jury, she says she 144 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: repeatedly asked to go home, but he persisted. Houston comes home, 145 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:42,319 Speaker 1: interrupts them, and later describes the girl as quote sullen. Well, 146 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: I guess she was sullen. She had just been anally raped. 147 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: And it kills me. Alexis Terres chuck that Hollywood elites 148 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: and let me just say, the Upper west Side gang 149 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: in New York insists Polansky should get to come back. 150 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: Scott three to this country. And now the new claims 151 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: have arisen, How are they similar to the US claims, Alexis, 152 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: because they are still young teenage girls, very very young 153 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: teenage girls. They're in the privacy of Roman's own home 154 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: or a hotel, and he does the same thing. They're 155 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,239 Speaker 1: these vulnerable girls who really, you know, back in the seventies, 156 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: wanted to be in the movie industry. Their parents are 157 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: not with them, so he traps them in this situation 158 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 1: and then attacks them, and they have no recourse. They 159 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: don't nobody's going to believe them. They don't even want 160 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: to tell their own parents. Because if it in the 161 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: United States, where you know, he was actually convicted and 162 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: and set up the plea deal, he was going to 163 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: go to jail, he fled. What's gonna happen to him 164 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: in Italy? Nothing? You know, he's nothing. He's untouchable because 165 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 1: he's this famous director that that people love, and so 166 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,720 Speaker 1: they refuse to help these little girls. Why is it, 167 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: Alexis that are so many people have joined the Greek 168 00:10:57,880 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: chorus in the background claim mean he should come back 169 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: to the U. S. Scott Free. I do not know. 170 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: My personal thing, I do not know. But people, you've 171 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: got a child, Alexis, can you imagine your baby or 172 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: my little girl? You know, my twins John Dave and 173 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,719 Speaker 1: Lucy high On Champagne and kway Ludes at age in 174 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 1: a hot tub with a forty three year old Hollywood director. 175 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: What no? And I'm so mad. I want their kids 176 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: to be successful and they just think that this Hollywood 177 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: lifestyle is okay, and they turned a blind eye. But 178 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: I don't think any parent ever expected that to happen, 179 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: which is you know the girls that she couldn't even 180 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: tell her mom that. I'm not blaming the parents, I'm 181 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: blaming all the people that want to let him back 182 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: in the country with no jail time, no charge. I 183 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 1: want to thank our partner that is making our serious 184 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:59,280 Speaker 1: sex program possible. It's legal Zoom. 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The other victims I'm referring to alleged 204 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:27,559 Speaker 1: victims are a British actress Charlotte Lewis, who states Polanski 205 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: forced himself on her in his apartment in Paris. I mean, 206 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: what does this guy have homes all over the world. 207 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:39,839 Speaker 1: She gave an interview. Finally, she was a model at 208 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: the time she met with him in his apartment about 209 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:51,080 Speaker 1: guess what, Marie allegedly possibly being cast in a film? Okay, 210 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: that was Charlotte, Yeah, Charlotte Lewis. And and there is 211 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: another person, a Robin m m as in mother came 212 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: forward when she learned about this to talk about her 213 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: case and speaks out so that Samantha would quote, No, 214 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: she was not the only minor child Roman Polanski victimized. Okay, 215 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: there we go. The only thing I can say about 216 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:26,720 Speaker 1: that is there was a five hundred thousand dollar settlement 217 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 1: with Samantha gali Um which tends to bring other women 218 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: out of the woodwork. Whether it's true or not, but 219 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: that's certainly an incentive for people to be coming forward. 220 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: So um Uh, that is something that you should keep 221 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: in the back of your mind, Marie, as a crime 222 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: victim and a former prosecutor. Let me understand you are saying, 223 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: these women are coming forward now after the first publicized 224 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: victim got a civil settlement. After a civil settlement, it 225 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: gives or just for notoriety, these are the reasons why 226 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: women would come forward. It's not true, so so um 227 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: what we do know is that he pled guilty to 228 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 1: um for a plea. He pled guilty for a play 229 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: for a justice written bound who really um in my opinion, 230 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: criminally went back on the deal. After he served his time. 231 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: He was supposed to come back to court for the 232 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: sentencing after forty five days in jail and ninety days 233 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: at psychiatric um Uh facility. That that said that this 234 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: man was not a pedophile, He was not um Uh 235 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: sexual predator. He showed real remorse, and he was supposed 236 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: to um be sentenced to time already served. The judge 237 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: changed his mind, said he was like, hold white whoa 238 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: whoa whoa white white man, hold on, hold on, Let 239 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: me understand something, Marie. Um. What kind of law do 240 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 1: you practice. I do all types of different litigation, big cases, civil, civil, criminal. Okay, 241 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: And I'm assuming that you are very familiar, since you're 242 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: a seasoned lawyer, with the fact that a prosecutor and 243 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: a defense attorney can agree on a plate, but when 244 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: the judge hears it, the judge doesn't have to agree 245 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: with it. But he did agree with it. He agreed 246 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: with the plea in advance, said he was going to 247 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: agree on the pla. So Roman took the polea based 248 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: on that assurance, and he went to jail for the 249 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: forty five days. He did the ninety days, and the 250 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,199 Speaker 1: psychiatric unit. They gave him a good evaluation that he 251 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: was not going to be a harm um. And then 252 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: he was coming he flew back to court for the sentencing. 253 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: Uh and and then he heard that the judge was 254 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: going back on the deal and he was going to 255 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: throw the book at him fifty years. He said he 256 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: was going to keep him in jail for the rest 257 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: of his life. Even the prosecutor said, under those circumstances, 258 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: he understood why he left, and there was no bail. 259 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,199 Speaker 1: He didn't jump bail. There was let me let me 260 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:36,439 Speaker 1: understand something else, Marie. So the you referred to him 261 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: as Roman Roman Polanski pled guilty to sex with a 262 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: thirteen year old girl. Because I'm hearing a lot from 263 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: you about how the judge double crossed him. You know, 264 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: I'm a little more concerned with the fact that he 265 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 1: annually raped a thirteen year old girl after fading her 266 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: quite louds in Champagne. And and between you and me, Nancy, 267 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: I think the agreed upon plea was light. Um. I 268 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: think it should have been more substantial than what the 269 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: agreed upon plea was. But that was the plea, and 270 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: that induced him to agree to it, and that was 271 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: approved by the judge. You know, it's unconscionable that a 272 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: judge goes back on that after the fact and says, 273 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: you know this this Uhlansky agreed to that plea based 274 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:42,119 Speaker 1: on what he was getting and then and admitted to guilt. 275 00:18:42,200 --> 00:18:44,199 Speaker 1: He could have fought it. He could have fought it, 276 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: and maybe the outcome would have been different. So yes, 277 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: he could have, but he didn't. He didn't didn't. He 278 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: could have withdrawn his play, Marie, if he didn't like 279 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: the judge of sentence, he could have withdrawn the pla 280 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: and gone to draw. He he spent the time in 281 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: jail days. I'm not impressed, Marie, he did forty five days. 282 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm not impressed. I think the plea 283 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 1: was low, but he should the judge Jent have agreed 284 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: to it to begin with and have been made then 285 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 1: when he when he justifiably relied on what the police 286 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 1: deal was. And then that just Scot mor very about 287 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: the time in jail. That that's my opinion. So that's 288 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:31,320 Speaker 1: why all these other countries are now saying he he 289 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: did his time. Um, he did the time that he 290 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: was supposed. I'd like to go to our other guests, 291 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, who is with us today, who has 292 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: tried many, many criminal cases. Um, you know, Joe Scott, 293 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: it's amazing to me, amazing how the other victims that 294 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: have now come forward who have not filed a civil 295 00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:59,199 Speaker 1: suit for money against Polanski because the time to do 296 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: that has passed. There's no money involved with these other 297 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: women to my knowledge. Yet it's amazing to me that 298 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:15,680 Speaker 1: instead of focusing on a four time sex offender allegedly, 299 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 1: that people are still arguing that Roman Polanski was double 300 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 1: crossed by a judge because the judge came to his 301 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: senses and rejected a light. Please, well, you know, Joe Scott, 302 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 1: if it's me and I'm wrong, we've known each other 303 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: long enough, you can just tell me. But I think 304 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: that is completely bass awkwards. And for every rape victim 305 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:45,880 Speaker 1: and sex assault victim that is hearing this right now, 306 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: and one in four women and girls, little girls are 307 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 1: sexually assaulted. One in for a look around, somebody with 308 00:20:55,960 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 1: you right now has probably been sex assaulted or I 309 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:08,240 Speaker 1: just I can't believe people are still saying that Polanski 310 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: was double crossed and somehow it's the judges fault. All 311 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: these other people are coming forward, what they're all lyne? 312 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: I don't I don't believe that that they're all lying. 313 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 1: I can't begin to to fathom that. Uh and Uh. 314 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: The question is how many others, from an investigative standpoint, 315 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: has he left in his weight that they're so terrified 316 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: or have been so terrified in the past that they 317 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: would not come forward I think a lot of these people, 318 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: these victims, have been bullied, I think by uh, the 319 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: elite media, by those that that hold this person in 320 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: a steam because he's you know, created so called art 321 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: uh that that in the balance, uh bears more weight 322 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: uh than how you treat fellow human beings. And this 323 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: is this kind of thread that runs through uh, this 324 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 1: entire community. It's it's it's not just you know, it's 325 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: not it's not simply uh an indictment of him. I 326 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 1: think that it's a it's an indictment, like you said earlier, 327 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: of of of the systemic behavior that goes on that 328 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: just allows these people to be excused over and over 329 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: and over again, and people get to get tired of it, 330 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: and then you know later in life. You know, a 331 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:32,680 Speaker 1: lot of these like this. This uh, this poor woman 332 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: in Germany. Uh. I don't know that she's filed for 333 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 1: any monetary recourse here. Uh it sounds as though uh 334 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:46,440 Speaker 1: that she's uh that she's you know, genuinely heartsick over 335 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: over the circumstances where she was completely uh powerless. In fact, 336 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not familiar with the statutes of 337 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,240 Speaker 1: limitations in Germany, but I know here in the US, 338 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: after a period of years, frequently to just seven years, 339 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:05,119 Speaker 1: you can no longer file a civil charge, a civil 340 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: claim for money. Marie Napoli with me lawyer out of 341 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 1: New York City. I heard you saying something about one 342 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 1: in four statistic before one and four. That seems extremely high. Um, 343 00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: I was just wondering where that Okay, then I will 344 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 1: read it to you. I will read it to you. 345 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: Let's see here, one in four college women reports surviving 346 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:33,320 Speaker 1: rape or attempted rape. Um, let me think here we 347 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: go twenty seven, more than one quarter, that would be 348 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: one four uh. Of women who identify as American, Indian, 349 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 1: or Alaska Native. One in three who are multi cold, 350 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: multi racial experience rape in their lifetime. One in five 351 00:23:54,960 --> 00:24:00,160 Speaker 1: black and white not Hispanic women nineteen percent of them 352 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,479 Speaker 1: one in seven Hispanic in the US have experienced rape 353 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 1: at some point in their lives. Every year in the 354 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: US one million, two d and seventy thousand women experience rape. 355 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: And I mean, I can go on extremely What is that? Yes, 356 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: it is, isn't it? What is that paper that you're 357 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: reading from? Is that does it give any authority for 358 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: where you can look it up? It's called one in four. 359 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 1: Let's see from the New York Times, one or four 360 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: women experience sex assault on campus. I mean, it goes 361 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: on and on and on. And I just find it 362 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: so intriguing that you're questioning stats that you can look multi. Um. 363 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 1: Have you did you practice criminal law? I me, I 364 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 1: practiced a criminal civil law. I'm actually representing criminal civil law. 365 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: What is that at? Well, there's criminals and they're civil. 366 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: But my civil case, I'm handling a statutory rape case 367 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,480 Speaker 1: right now in a school district down in Texas. Um, 368 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: I can't speak too much about that. UM, but UH, 369 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: what I've learned about that is there's always two sides 370 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: to every story. And um, and it was a statutory 371 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: rape case, and I'm it was terrible situation. And what 372 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: I what I bring from that to uh, Roman Polanski's case, 373 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: is that there are two sides to every story we 374 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: hold on. I think I think I missed something you 375 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 1: were saying, Marie. I'm sorry, I think I think I 376 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: missed something you say that you are working. I assume 377 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 1: in the defense arena in a statutory rape case, and 378 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: there are the plaintiff plaintiff, and there's a statutory right. 379 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: And the thirteen year old woman, which I am not 380 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: at liberty to give her name. A thirteen year old 381 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,120 Speaker 1: is not a woman to start with under the law. 382 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: That's a child. Well it's a thirteen year old female, 383 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: and it's a statutory rape case. And um, and so 384 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: what that brings to the table to me and really 385 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: getting into the minutia of all the facts, there are 386 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: always two sides to every story, um, maybe three or four. 387 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: So I find that bit difficult to believe when a child, 388 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 1: when the rape victim is a child, that and if 389 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: it's true that there's another side to that because I 390 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 1: didn't know her age is really not a defense, you know. 391 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: In addition to the stats sixty three and let me 392 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:57,200 Speaker 1: get my source for you of rapes, excuse me, sixty 393 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: sex assaults are not reported to police, and only twelve 394 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: of child sex abuse is ever reported. So if you 395 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: take that into account, and this is from the National 396 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:19,480 Speaker 1: Sex Violence Resource Center, since you ask my sources, So 397 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 1: if you take that into account with the number of 398 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 1: one in four some people, some stats say one in 399 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:36,960 Speaker 1: five women are sex assaulted in their life, six not reported, 400 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,720 Speaker 1: only twelve percent of child sex abuse reported. I mean 401 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: when you look at it like that, when you look 402 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: at it in the face, it's a it's an epidemic, Nancy. 403 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: This is Samantha Geimer, the woman sexually assaulted by Polanski 404 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: in ninety seven when she was thirteen, telling reporters this 405 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: year why she wants the judge to end the case 406 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 1: as the director. Everyone's entitled to their opinion. I was there, 407 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: I know what happened. Um. You know, it's very interesting 408 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: to uh make it worse than it was and call 409 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 1: it horrific and assign all these words to it, but 410 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,479 Speaker 1: that's not what happened. I was there, I'm fine. When 411 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,359 Speaker 1: this unfolded, I felt that it was unfair and it 412 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: was be hand be handled in properly by the court 413 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: at that time, Um, and I have wished for resolution 414 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 1: since that day. It just wasn't as traumatic for me 415 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:36,640 Speaker 1: as everybody would like to believe it was. I was young, 416 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 1: sexually active teenager, and it was a scary thing, but 417 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: it was not an uncommon thing. I understood much worse 418 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: things happened to people. So I just was not as 419 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: traumatized as everybody thinks I should have been. This is 420 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: the first opportunity I've had did some to court and talk. 421 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: So I figured i'd take it because I thought it 422 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: might be my last. So I was standing here saying, 423 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: throw the book at him. I want him in jail 424 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,240 Speaker 1: for life. My opinion would count. When I'm standing here 425 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: saying I'm fine and nothing you can do to him 426 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: will help me or anybody else. Suddenly it's the State's not. 427 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 1: Music counts. So it's a really hypocritical view. Either victims 428 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: count or they don't. He served his sentence, he went 429 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: to Chino for forty two days. I never asked anybody 430 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: to put him in prison for one day. And this 431 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: was all about Judge Ritten's Ban's ego. He was lied to, 432 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: he did his sentence. He owes me nothing, and he 433 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 1: owes the State of California nothing except to show up here. Eventionally, 434 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 1: I think, well, I don't think he bears no responsibility. Um, 435 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: but I also think the district attorney has a greater 436 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: responsibility to investigate the misconduct that occurred in this case. 437 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: Potentially a crime was committed by David Wells, and that 438 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: is completely swept under the rug. While Roman is expected 439 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: to stand up, I mean, he's just a person. The 440 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: district attorney has an obligation, and they have never shown 441 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: any interest in investigating the truth of what happened. And 442 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: Roger Gunson's testimony would prove the truth and it would 443 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:04,479 Speaker 1: solve Romans problems and my problems. Hollywood star director Roman 444 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: Polanski facing more rape charges abroad. Now, this is what 445 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: Roman Polanski's lawyer or Harland Braun, tells us exclusively. Are 446 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: we ever going to see him come back to Los Angeles? Oh? 447 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,280 Speaker 1: Of course, yeah. No, as long as we can have 448 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:27,920 Speaker 1: the judges acknowledge their original promises and follow the rules, 449 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: will certainly come back. But he can't really risk coming 450 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: back now where you have secret agreements among judges to 451 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: let him uh cool as heels in the county jail 452 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: despite the fact that he shouldn't be doing any more custody. 453 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: So does Mr Polansky really want to come back to 454 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 1: Los Angeles? His wife and son are buried in Holy 455 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,720 Speaker 1: Cross since Culver City and hasn't been able to visit them. 456 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: He has another issue. He has award out for his 457 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: arrest that prevents him from going outside of three countries 458 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: in Europe, so that he would like to get the 459 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: matter resolved if he can resolve it fairly and honestly, 460 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: if he gets this resolved, will we see him in 461 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: Los Angeles? You think you'll actually come here? Oh? I 462 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: think so. Yeah. I mean this is the center of 463 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 1: movie industry and he's one of the most prolific and 464 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: west best recognized directors in movie history. Do you have 465 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 1: any concern coming back there being other legal liabilities? We've 466 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 1: recently saw that news conference from Gloria allread with a 467 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: woman making some allegations against him, and then there was 468 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,440 Speaker 1: another one in two thousand and ten. Are you concerned 469 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: at all about those cases or any legal liability. No, 470 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: not at all, not at all. You know, from what 471 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 1: I know about them, might think they're basically people that 472 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: are jumping on the bend wagon and trying to get 473 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: some publicity, and so they're also old. They're not really 474 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 1: failable under any theory. So we really have the one 475 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 1: pending case here in Los Angeles for the last four decades, 476 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: and as you know, the victim in that case, Samantha Geimer, 477 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 1: came forward and said of the judge, Hey, let's get 478 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: this case over with him, because it's hurting me, it's 479 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: hurting my family, and I thought that would would change 480 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: the tide now, one thing I think people do not 481 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: realize that if Mr Polanski had been sentenced to the 482 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 1: maximum in he would have done the twelve months in custody. 483 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: Twelve months, that's the maximum he was promised, you know, 484 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:25,360 Speaker 1: less than three months by the judge here who broke 485 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: his promise. But because of various proceedings in Europe, he 486 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: has done ten months already in custody. So he has 487 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: done ten months in custody on a twelve month possible 488 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 1: sentence in a world where you cannot extradite someone unless 489 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: there is at least six months old. So it's that's 490 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: really we are really in a insane situation to even 491 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: be arguing about. There's another allegation a woman claiming she 492 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: was assaulted many years ago in Europe. Are you concerned 493 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: about that case? Not at all. It's she's claiming that 494 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: she was assaulted in nineteen of any too, um, you know. 495 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: And so I've talked to my client that he has 496 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: no idea you know, what this is about, and certainly 497 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: didn't rape anyone ever. I mean, this is the crime 498 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: here that he's convicted of is basically unlawful sexual intercourse 499 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 1: underage issue. So he's denying it. So we're not what 500 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 1: what can we do? What could you do if someone 501 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 1: said they were raped by you in ninety two, how 502 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: would you prove that you didn't do it unless you 503 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: were under a unless you were before puberty or something. So, 504 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: you know, anytime you're a famous person, uh, and people 505 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: want to jump on for publicity. We're dealing with one case. 506 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's going to be other people if they're 507 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: gonna try to jump on the bad wagon. We want 508 00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: to deal with the situation here in Los Angeles. You 509 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: have talked to your client Roman Polanski about this most 510 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: recent allegation. Yes, yeah, yeah, yep, absolutely so. I got 511 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: a call about it from the New York Times was 512 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: picking it up, and I talked to him. I think 513 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: he actually talked to the New York Times. I was 514 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: away over the weekend. One thing I think that people 515 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,640 Speaker 1: do not realize in this country, particularly in Los Angeles, 516 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: is that to foreign jurisdictions have already reviewed this case, 517 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: and both of them, for very important reasons, rejected the 518 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: American request for extradition. Switzerland rejected the request because the 519 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: Los Angeles court wouldn't give him the sworn statement of 520 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:28,479 Speaker 1: the prosecutor. The prosecutor so Switzerland rejected that, and then 521 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: Poland Uh, the Polish judge, wrote a two d page 522 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 1: decision reviewing the entire case, referring to the secret emails 523 00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:42,320 Speaker 1: between the judges and concluded that Mr Polansk had already 524 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: been done his time that he promised was promised, but 525 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,320 Speaker 1: that it would be this judge who really admires our system, 526 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: was sort of shocked and said that he would be 527 00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: afraid to appear in the Los Angeles court. What I 528 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,879 Speaker 1: find interesting is that no judge in Los Angeles has 529 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,359 Speaker 1: read those decisions because the court here refuses to put 530 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,440 Speaker 1: it on their website because they're so embarrassing. It's such 531 00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: an indictment of our system. It is sort of breathtaking. 532 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,879 Speaker 1: And if you notice the latest decision from Judge um 533 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 1: Gordon and the previous decision from Judge Brandlon, they never 534 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: mentioned the emails ever, even though we filed the emails, 535 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,760 Speaker 1: the their official emails between the judges. They've been filed 536 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: the number of times, but they never mentioned them because 537 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: they totally destroyed the um position of the District attorney 538 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,799 Speaker 1: and the court that Mr Plaski should come back with me. 539 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, forensics investigator Marie Napoli, high profile lawyer 540 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan. Um, one and four women are sex 541 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:52,160 Speaker 1: assaulted in their life and only twelve of child sex 542 00:35:52,200 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: abuse is ever reported. Um, it's an epidemic, Joe Scott, Yeah, 543 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: it is in in you know, I teach a university. 544 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:04,920 Speaker 1: One of the things that we talked about in in 545 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: in victimology, I'll be real brief with it, is this 546 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: idea of asymmetry where you've got this dominant person that 547 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,759 Speaker 1: either has money, they have physical power, Uh, they have 548 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 1: some way to dominate somebody that is lesser than them 549 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,240 Speaker 1: in their mind. And that person that is the victim 550 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: has bought into this as well. They want something from 551 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: the from the from the victimizer, or they need something 552 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: from the victimizer. And of course, uh, time and time 553 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: again we've seen this played out where those that are 554 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: in these kinds of positions, Uh, you know, they just 555 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: they take these people, these poor people for everything that 556 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,920 Speaker 1: that they're worth. And we're talking about people, we're talking 557 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,040 Speaker 1: about children. I need children, let's let's face it. And 558 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: and as far as I'm concerned, you want to talk 559 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: about epidemics, I think ground zero, ground zero for a 560 00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 1: lot of this, uh, this epidemic, like uh manifestations that 561 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,200 Speaker 1: we've seen is I don't know, I don't know. Let's 562 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: say it's in the entertainment industry and uh, you know, 563 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: I'll leave it that. I think that there are other 564 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: stories in the news. You know what. This woman, one 565 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: of the many other women that are now alleging Polanski 566 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: raped her. I'm talking about Renante Langer, who was now 567 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,839 Speaker 1: a sixty one year old senior citizen, and she says 568 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:28,480 Speaker 1: he raped her on two occasions when she was a girl, 569 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 1: a minor girl. And she says to the New York Times, 570 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 1: that's your source, Marie Napoli, this has had an influence 571 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: on all my life. I felt ashamed and embarrassed. She 572 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: said she lived in the shadow of Roman Polanski all 573 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: his life, but she blamed that more on the media 574 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: and the aftermath and or the judge than she does. 575 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: But I'm talking about the woman that has just come forward. 576 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 1: Oh I thought you said the man. I'm sorry. Yeah, 577 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 1: So let's just hold off before we blame the media 578 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 1: and the judge again for Roman Blansky raping a girl 579 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: in a hot tub after giving her queludes a Champagne 580 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: when she's thirteen, anally raping her. Okay, before we blame 581 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: the judge anymore for rejecting a cheap plea, I'm talking 582 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: about somebody completely different. I'm talking about, as I said, 583 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:28,360 Speaker 1: Renate Langer, a sixty one year old woman. Right. Actress 584 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: Charlotte Lewis says Polanski abused her when she was a 585 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: teen girl, giving her up and she's listing out the 586 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: wines he gave her that she'll never forget it. I 587 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,920 Speaker 1: still can't drink that. Oh my stars is Champagne he 588 00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,359 Speaker 1: gave her, according to her, Champagne as well, she tells 589 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 1: the Daily Mail. And he just said, very coldly, quote, 590 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: if you're not a big enough girl to have sex 591 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,760 Speaker 1: with me, you're not big enough to do the screen test. 592 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:07,520 Speaker 1: Hollywood is giving the wrong message today with pedophiles and 593 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:14,280 Speaker 1: there on pedophiles in their effort to bring Polanski home 594 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: without further punishment. I don't think that they can bring 595 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 1: him home with that with further punishment. They've refused to 596 00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,840 Speaker 1: extra extradite him twice. UM and the general consent, not 597 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,799 Speaker 1: the US. The US has not refused to extradite him. No, 598 00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 1: but they the US, they're still trying to extradite him. 599 00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:42,080 Speaker 1: But but the country said he's living in Um. He is. 600 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: He is really safe there. And there's a lot of 601 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,319 Speaker 1: talk that if he came back to the United States 602 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: that he would be freed because of the conduct of 603 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,479 Speaker 1: the judge, because of him going back on the plea deal. 604 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: I mean, this is not common thing for a judge 605 00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,879 Speaker 1: to do. This is not expected, especially are you back 606 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: on the jedge. We'll try and then try, because all 607 00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:13,640 Speaker 1: this time Polanski and his supporters have successfully painted his 608 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: attack on thirteen year old Samantha as a one off, 609 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: never happened again, and he goes and lives like a 610 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: king in Europe for decades after fleeing the US court system, 611 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:30,799 Speaker 1: and he is painted as the victim. Okay, now that 612 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:39,640 Speaker 1: these other women are coming forward, that's simply is not true. 613 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: Go ahead, I can hear you. Go ahead. I have 614 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,719 Speaker 1: to say, UM, we don't know what the truth of 615 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 1: these other women's claims are, right because they haven't been litigated. 616 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: Renee Langer, the most recent woman that came forward. After 617 00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 1: forty years, she decides to come forward. Um. She was 618 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 1: fifteen at the time of her UM incidents. Um uh, 619 00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 1: statute statutory rape, and the law in Switzerland is there's 620 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 1: no statue of limitations if you're under twelve. So I 621 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,680 Speaker 1: think that case is a dead end and she's not well. 622 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,720 Speaker 1: Then my question to you is, why would you, Mury 623 00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,000 Speaker 1: and Appola bring up the fact that because the original 624 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,840 Speaker 1: victim that we know of in the US got a 625 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 1: civil money settlement that now all these women are coming 626 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 1: out of the woodwork was the way you phrased it. 627 00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,560 Speaker 1: It's too late. They can't get any money. So that 628 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 1: is not a motive here. There's ways to get money, 629 00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,440 Speaker 1: if just to make them go away, for them to 630 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,680 Speaker 1: be quiet. You know, he wants to be left alone. Um, 631 00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:52,440 Speaker 1: they're going to do you have any evidence at all 632 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,399 Speaker 1: that they have been paid any sum of money whatsoever. No, No, 633 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that they have been paid. But I'm 634 00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 1: just saying that there is a motive of there for 635 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,080 Speaker 1: them to be saying these things happened when they didn't. 636 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,120 Speaker 1: The thing that I find interesting is that he'd been 637 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,399 Speaker 1: in a ninety day evaluation and they said that this 638 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,439 Speaker 1: man was not a sexual predator. This was a one 639 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,239 Speaker 1: time thing. He showed remorse, Um, and he showed also 640 00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: so much remorse. He went to Europe and did it 641 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,360 Speaker 1: again and again and again, more inconsistent with what the 642 00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,480 Speaker 1: doctor said. And and for these women to come out 643 00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 1: so far after the fact, after the um, after Samantha 644 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: was actually paid five hundred thousand dollars, or after there's 645 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,240 Speaker 1: been so much notoriety. You mean after her anal rape 646 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:48,359 Speaker 1: by a man thirty years older than her, that that thing. Yes, 647 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: after after the statutory race with Samantha, these other women 648 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,880 Speaker 1: came forward. So I don't really know what the truth 649 00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,359 Speaker 1: of those are without having a full trial. And I'm 650 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,040 Speaker 1: not going to say I do know this. Nobody is 651 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: asking you to side with the alleged rate victims because 652 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: I'm siding with them. I don't need anybody else to 653 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,839 Speaker 1: agree with me or disagree with me, because I know 654 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:23,880 Speaker 1: this after dealing with literally thousands of victims and perpetrators. Yeah, 655 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:27,279 Speaker 1: when you have one, he says, She say, yeah, you 656 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: have a credibility issue. When you have two, it's a 657 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,560 Speaker 1: little more difficult to believe the purpose. But when you 658 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 1: have three, when you have four and you have corroboration, 659 00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 1: it's very difficult for me to believe. All these women 660 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:48,840 Speaker 1: with nothing to gain at this point, no money, no notoriety, 661 00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:53,440 Speaker 1: nothing will come out and bear their souls. There's a reason, 662 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:57,640 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morrigan, there is a reason sex assault victims 663 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,320 Speaker 1: don't come forward because they a lot, it was their fault. 664 00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:05,120 Speaker 1: They don't want their family to know. There's a million 665 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:08,400 Speaker 1: reasons why they never say a word and the rest 666 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 1: of their lives. I agree with you, yeah, Joe Scott. 667 00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 1: I think I think that it there is one seminal 668 00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 1: reason here that goes forward with with all of this, 669 00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,840 Speaker 1: and it's it's what I alluded to earlier. It's this 670 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 1: idea that this these events are so impactful, Nancy, that 671 00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,680 Speaker 1: this many years, this many decades that have passed, these 672 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: people still live their lives in terror because they were 673 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:39,040 Speaker 1: dominated by somebody that holly took advantage of them in 674 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:42,920 Speaker 1: the most intimate way, another human being possibly can aside 675 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,680 Speaker 1: from murder, and has driven them. There's no telling what 676 00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,520 Speaker 1: kind of burden these people are born for their entire 677 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,160 Speaker 1: lives and how many this break. This begs the question. 678 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,080 Speaker 1: You know, we're not in a court of law here, 679 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,640 Speaker 1: but it does back the question how many other victims 680 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: are suffering away in silence like this because of not 681 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,759 Speaker 1: just Polansky, but because the system victors. I know this 682 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:08,840 Speaker 1: just scot if you look, if you hear about or 683 00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:14,560 Speaker 1: read this girl's grand jury testimony, I mean the brutal 684 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 1: rate of a child. You know, it has to be 685 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 1: in Hollywood that that can be airbrushed and fantasized away. 686 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,720 Speaker 1: And her grand jury testimony, grand jury testimony, she describes 687 00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:33,360 Speaker 1: Polanski giving her queludes, denying her, begging to quote go home, 688 00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,520 Speaker 1: raping her vaginally and anally. It's enough. I mean, it's 689 00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:44,880 Speaker 1: just I'm glad the judge renigged because the judge was 690 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:51,799 Speaker 1: wrong and digesting what was spoon fed to him as 691 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:55,879 Speaker 1: a plea deal. And Polanski has lived like a king 692 00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,839 Speaker 1: ever since. And according to these other women, they were 693 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,520 Speaker 1: raped as girls too. These are the ones that have 694 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:07,239 Speaker 1: come forward. Are there others? I was sexually victimized by 695 00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 1: Roman Polanski when I was a miner at the age 696 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:13,600 Speaker 1: of sixteen and nineteen seventy three. The day after it happened, 697 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:16,279 Speaker 1: I did tell one friend that Mr Plansky had done 698 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 1: that to me. The reason with this exception that I 699 00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,680 Speaker 1: kept it to myself is that I didn't want my 700 00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,319 Speaker 1: father to do something that might cause him to go 701 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,760 Speaker 1: to prison for the rest of his life. When Samantha 702 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,759 Speaker 1: Geimer became the victim of unlawful sexual intercourse by Roman 703 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:37,400 Speaker 1: Polansky in nineteen seventy seven, I considered speaking of to 704 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:41,239 Speaker 1: support her in the criminal case brought against him. Her 705 00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,759 Speaker 1: case didn't appear to need my support, however, however, so 706 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:50,360 Speaker 1: I stayed quiet. Over the years, I've been satisfied that 707 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: this child molester, Roman Polanski is publicly known for sexually 708 00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:59,719 Speaker 1: victimizing a thirteen year old grul. Recently, I saw Samantha 709 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:03,279 Speaker 1: Geimer on the news appearing to support Mr Plansky and 710 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:07,400 Speaker 1: stating that he's done everything he needed to do. This 711 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:12,440 Speaker 1: infuriated me. I'm speaking out now so that Samantha and 712 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,520 Speaker 1: the world will know that she is not the only 713 00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:21,640 Speaker 1: minor Roman planskey victimize. I'm not over it, and I 714 00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,279 Speaker 1: certainly believe that Roman Plansky should be held accountable for 715 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,000 Speaker 1: his criminal conduct with Samantha Geimer. He fled the country. 716 00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 1: Years have past, and he's famous, but that does not 717 00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,520 Speaker 1: excuse his criminal conduct of sexually victimizing minors. Think you, 718 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,279 Speaker 1: how was she close to Plansky? How did she get 719 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,080 Speaker 1: into this stury? Well, we're not going to discuss those details, 720 00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:53,160 Speaker 1: because if Mr Polansky chooses to withdraw his plea and 721 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,920 Speaker 1: seek a trial at which a jury or the court 722 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:03,640 Speaker 1: would disa if he should be convicted of any of 723 00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:08,000 Speaker 1: the charges on which he was indicted, it is possible 724 00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:14,839 Speaker 1: under California law for other accusers who allege that they 725 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,960 Speaker 1: were also sexually victimized by Mr. Prolansky to be called 726 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:25,319 Speaker 1: to testify. At this point, I don't know whether Mr. 727 00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:32,160 Speaker 1: Prolanski will wish to go to trial, but in the 728 00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:36,520 Speaker 1: same way that under Pennsylvania law it is possible for 729 00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,320 Speaker 1: other they call them prior bad act witnesses in Pennsylvania 730 00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:44,880 Speaker 1: to be called to testify in the criminal case pending 731 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 1: against Mr. Cosby. Similarly, here in California, we also have 732 00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:56,440 Speaker 1: a law which would allow other I'll call him prior 733 00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,960 Speaker 1: bad act witnesses to testify, and then, of course his 734 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,200 Speaker 1: attorney would have a right to cross examine them. And 735 00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:08,719 Speaker 1: so while she has met with law enforcement, and she 736 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:15,200 Speaker 1: has described what she alleges that Mr Polansky did to 737 00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:19,600 Speaker 1: her and how it came to be that she was 738 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,799 Speaker 1: with Mr. Polansky, she is not going to be able 739 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,759 Speaker 1: to disclose what she told law enforcement and what she 740 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:33,880 Speaker 1: alleges occurred because she wants to protect her testimony should 741 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:38,000 Speaker 1: she be needed to testify a tile. Nancy Grace Crime 742 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:45,960 Speaker 1: Stories signing off goodbye friend. Do you find yourself obsessing 743 00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,439 Speaker 1: over unsolved mysteries? 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