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Speaker 1: Ron and Aian. You've got a right to know what's

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Speaker 1: to the radio home of Ron and Anian the Car Doctor,

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Speaker 1: since this is where car owners the world overturned to

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Speaker 1: for their definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics

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Speaker 1: and now he's running. What's the value in a diagnosis

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Speaker 1: Think of things in the simplest of terms. Okay, if

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Speaker 1: my repair shop guys that are out there, guys and gals,

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Speaker 1: Because there's so much more information that you can go cultivate.

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Speaker 1: There's so many more tests you can go and do.

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Speaker 1: a giveaway today. Tom. I'm looking through the papers on

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Speaker 1: And if you want to go one step further, well,

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Speaker 1: And I was, I have fun. I enjoyed the conversation.

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Speaker 1: You'd be, well, I'm runing any of the car doctor.

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Speaker 1: Hope in Virginia. Oh, welcome to the car doctor. How

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Speaker 1: all right, because there's there's there's so much more that

425
00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 1: you can do. What do you do for a living?

426
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 1: What are you do in life? Okay? You use computers,

427
00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 1: right and well, but I have in the past, okay,

428
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 1: and you know those computers are connected to a network,

429
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: right all right? You ever have you ever have a

430
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 1: workstation go down and you have to go down to

431
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: the next workstation and you've got to find one that works.

432
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:14,640
Speaker 1: That kind of a problem, okay, same thing. Your car

433
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,679
Speaker 1: is a big giant network, all right. It may not

434
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 1: show fault codes, it may not turn on lights and

435
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 1: have codes, but there are things that can be looked

436
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 1: at that diagnostic port that they reference that's underneath the

437
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 1: desk that we always call the O B D two port.

438
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 1: All right, there's a bunch of different wires and pins there.

439
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 1: Some of those wires and pins are used for the

440
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 1: scan tool to communicate directly with the vehicle. Some of

441
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: those wires and pins are also what we call CAN

442
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:48,440
Speaker 1: or network protocol pins, meaning that plugging in, oh, a

443
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 1: lab scope. You're familiar with the lab scope, you guys.

444
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 1: You nurses hook up heart rate and blood test monitors

445
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: to people all the time, right, your blood pressure monitors, right,

446
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: So we could hook up and look at the network

447
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: and see if it's sending out the right little data packets. Okay, um,

448
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 1: you know that's a diagnosis. They're not. They're not, And

449
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: you'd be willing to pay for that, wouldn't you, at

450
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: least to see is it intermittent or is it a

451
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 1: hard problem? Now. I've had cars, for example, just like this,

452
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 1: somebody bringing you know, on the night. I listened to

453
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: the story and after all, I put my head down

454
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: on the desk because it goes on and I try

455
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 1: to cut it short, but I can't. And the basic

456
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,360
Speaker 1: synopsis is the other shops couldn't find any fault codes, YadA,

457
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 1: da da da. Did they do any can network protocol testing? No, Okay,

458
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 1: let's try that. And you know there are cars, if

459
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 1: they're if, if they're if they do any one thing

460
00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: really well, they are very specific in the electrical patterns

461
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: they'll produce. It's kind of like the human body. You know.

462
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 1: A matter of fact, I probably drive the nurses nuts

463
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: anytime I've been in an emergency room. Um, I kind

464
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: of look at the signal and I go, oh, look,

465
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: it's got a misfire on cylinder one. They don't think

466
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: it's funny. I think it's hysterical. But my wife, My

467
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: wife doesn't enjoy it. But um yeah, probably because they're like,

468
00:24:58,520 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 1: you know, you're in the emergency room. Yeah, I know,

469
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: so I'm trying to add a little levity here. Um

470
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: they could do that. They could go and look at

471
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: network network signals out of the O B D two

472
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: connector just because the problem doesn't happen and for that matter,

473
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: all right, if the problem hasn't happened, knowing that it's

474
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:19,160
Speaker 1: that intermittent, if they were to plug in and say, hey,

475
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: there's no fault codes here, Hey, there's nothing wrong with

476
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 1: the data network. Everybody's communicating and talking. That tells us something, right,

477
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,440
Speaker 1: that tells us, boy? Is thisn't? That tells us? Boy?

478
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: Is this intermittent? Alright? How much time has elapsed since

479
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 1: the last time this this, this problem happened. If I

480
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: would have to guess, I would say maybe three weeks. Okay,

481
00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: let's try and get it to happen again. Now, who

482
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: works on the car normally? Who does your normal service

483
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: and repair? I either go to Honda in one of

484
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: two different cities, depending on what's more convenient. So all right,

485
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: pick one that's convenient, and go have a cup of

486
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 1: coffee with him after the problem happens the next time,

487
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 1: and say, look, guys, here's what happened. I'm willing to

488
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: pay for a diagnosis, but I want to know that

489
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: you're gonna be with me the whole way. I want

490
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 1: to know that we're gonna you know, we're gonna, we're

491
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 1: gonna finish this. I don't want just a plug and play.

492
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: I don't want just to hey, I plug in, there's

493
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,640
Speaker 1: no fault. Coach, Gee, there's no problem. Hope, there's no hope. Hope,

494
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,600
Speaker 1: you're on your way. Right. Um, that is that isn't

495
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,199
Speaker 1: what you're looking for. The other question I've got for

496
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 1: you is which part of the car got hit in

497
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: the accident? The front right? It was pretty bad. It

498
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: was dollars worth of damage. Had to tow it off

499
00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 1: the road right. And I would mention that to them.

500
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: You know, listen, two years ago I had and I

501
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 1: would look up and see when the accident was see

502
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: have an exact time frame. Uh, where do you live

503
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: in Virginia? Are you near the ocean? No, I'm in

504
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:51,960
Speaker 1: the mountains valley. Okay, Oh it's nice there. Oh I know,

505
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: I know where you are. Yeah. Yeah, you're right down

506
00:26:54,680 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: eighty four. Um is that eighty four and six for you? Yeah? Yeah, yeah.

507
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: Back when I was doing the TV show, we used

508
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 1: to go down that the Shenandoah Valley's gorgeous. Um. You know,

509
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: is it possible that there's a component related to keyless

510
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: remote start or remote start in that right front corner

511
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: where the car was hit. When when I get a

512
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: car that's acting possessed and it has an accident in

513
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: its history, it's not unusual to find that it's accident related.

514
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: But now I have to go and uncover it all right.

515
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's a matter of yet it was in the

516
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: right front. I'll look things over, how well was it repaired.

517
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:40,399
Speaker 1: I'll start gently gently keyword wiggling and jiggling harnesses and

518
00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: trying to move things around, trying to create a problem,

519
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: but not you know, not ripping wires out. The other

520
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: thing I'm gonna look for is granted by where you're living.

521
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not anything to do with with the the accident.

522
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: Maybe it's animals. Maybe you've got a mouse under the

523
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,480
Speaker 1: hood somewhere, or had a mouse under the hood somewhere. Um,

524
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 1: not a completely impossible situation either, right, Yeah, I had

525
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: that happened years ago and different. Yeah, if you if

526
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: you want to see what animals can do, you know, animals,

527
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: critters and cars is just a whole. It's going to

528
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: be a chapter in the book that I'm going to

529
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,960
Speaker 1: write some day. Uh, but yeah, you want to take

530
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: a look at that, so you know, that's the conversation

531
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: you want to go back and have. I don't think

532
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: this car is unreparable. I just don't think anybody's trying.

533
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: They're just they're they're just going by the playbook. Sometimes

534
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: you gotta throw the playbook away and you have to,

535
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 1: you know, think outside the box. And that's quite frankly

536
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: where this car is going. Yeah, I mean it's the

537
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: two different things. You know. It was that day where

538
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: it did act like it was possessed, but then it's

539
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: the other thing as well, where I'm not close to

540
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: anything yet it's still alarming, you know, suggesting that I am.

541
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: You know, I'm about to hit something right, And then

542
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: it does have a third a third problem that intermittently

543
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 1: the emission comes on. It's on, then it's off, then

544
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,120
Speaker 1: it's on, then it's off. I just I've given up

545
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: on it. Well, it's it's telling you, it's telling you

546
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: something that right there would make me want to pull again. Listen,

547
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 1: there's no rule that says a diagnosis and I'll close

548
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: it here. There's no rule that says a diagnosis has

549
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 1: to be done in one shot. I've got a lot

550
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,160
Speaker 1: of rolling diagnosis is I've got a lot of intermittent

551
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: things going on in the shop day to day, week

552
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: to week. I just take my notes, you know, they

553
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: come in, I take their heart rate and blood pressure.

554
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 1: I do my due diligence. I write things down and

555
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: we always get to the bottom of it. But you

556
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: know that's part of a diagnosis. There's no rule that

557
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: says a diagnosis takes fifteen minutes or fifteen hours. It's

558
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: just do you have the ability to go with it

559
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: through the end? Keeping notes is just so important. So

560
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: that's where I recommend you go. Kido. Let me know

561
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,239
Speaker 1: what happens if you need more. I'm here for you,

562
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: and thanks for all the good work that you do

563
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: as a nurses or as We appreciate everything you guys do.

564
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: I'm running aiming in the car Doctor. I'll be back

565
00:29:40,640 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: right after this. Ye welcome, Mac wanted any of the

566
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: car doctor here. Let's go over to Brent in Arizona

567
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: wants a chat about electric vehicles. Brent, don't get me

568
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: in trouble now, come on, don't beat me up. Ron.

569
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: I'd never do that. I love your show. We're about

570
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: the same age. Ron and Uh. I was a mechanic

571
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: years ago. I sold cars. I worked in a speed shop.

572
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: I go to scene every year. I probably owned a

573
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 1: hundred cars and fifty motorcycles, so I have a little

574
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: experience with automotive cars. But I did buy it. Sounds

575
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: like go ahead. I'm sorry. I agree with what you've

576
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: said about electric cars, except I would I guess I

577
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: would challenge this as you know better than I do,

578
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: because you're one of the smartest mechanics I've ever heard. Honestly, Um,

579
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: the transition back a hundred years ago, there were battery

580
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: powered vehicles and then we went to gas and there

581
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: was hardly any service stations or gas pumps anywhere in America.

582
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: And that was a transition time. And then I'm old

583
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: enough to remember the PVC valves and the charcoal canisters

584
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: and the e g R things started coming on. And

585
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: I think we would agree that those transitions, though we

586
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 1: kind of fought them in a way, the industry fought them.

587
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: Ultimately they've done some good pollution to drive ability, and

588
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: I think we're in the same boat right now. So

589
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: I agree with you. The infrastructure is not there. But

590
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: I guess I wanted to say. You saw last week

591
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: in the news was that California said, yeah, don't don't

592
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: charge your electric car. We may have a brown up.

593
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: I think what might happen in the not too distant

594
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 1: futures will realize maybe we need to get back on

595
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: the bandway kind of looking at nuclear power or cold

596
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 1: fusion power or other things that are going to take

597
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: us to that next level of of energy dependence or independence.

598
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: So that's that's kind of I love my electric car,

599
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: by the way, and I have not seen my electric

600
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,440
Speaker 1: bill in the last year and a half ago. Up

601
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: one bit. I've got sixteen thousand miles in the Tesla

602
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: and absolutely love it. Can I ask you, Brent, how

603
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: much was your electric car? Well, again, when we brought

604
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: it in twenty one, it was about thirty five dollars.

605
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: I think that same car now is probably mid to

606
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: upper forties. Is ridiculous. See. I think about the e

607
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: V at so many levels. And I wish you had

608
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: called earlier, brother, because I could have a conversation with you.

609
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: I enjoyed just listening to you. Frankly. Uh, you know,

610
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: I always think about societal impact, and you're right, the

611
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: industry did fight the changes when we transition from battery

612
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 1: to gas cars a hundred years ago. The first thought

613
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: that comes to my mind is it was an undeveloped country.

614
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: We didn't even have a highway system. It was sure

615
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: a lot, It was sure a lot easier to put

616
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,280
Speaker 1: up a building or or or a highway or an interstate. Uh,

617
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 1: there weren't so much permits and paperwork and government involvement

618
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: and get this permission. In that permission, how are you

619
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: going to you know, I think building this infrastructure that

620
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 1: we so desperately need. I think about it's gonna be

621
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: like it would be like straightening every road in the

622
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: country to run either north and south or east and

623
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,600
Speaker 1: west and make it a grid like New York City,

624
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: which is impossible. You know, there's so much implication in

625
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: what we would have to do. But I always think

626
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: about this and I'll leave it. I'll leave it with

627
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: you here at this um in that I always think

628
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: about the young person. Can they afford that electric vehicle?

629
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 1: You know, you and I could afford the fifty sixty

630
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 1: thousand dollar car, the seventy thousand dollar car, or at

631
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: that point in our life where our bills are less

632
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: and our income is higher. I think about that person

633
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: that's working that second job, or she's waitressing, or he's

634
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: waitressing or bartending. He's got two kids or a couple

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Speaker 1: of kids, and they're trying to and they buy that

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Speaker 1: used twelve year old Toyota Corolla. I always go back

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Speaker 1: to that, and it's at seven eight thousand dollar car,

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Speaker 1: and that thing in a hundred fifty thousand miles, changed

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Speaker 1: the oil a couple of times. Do basic maintenance. That

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Speaker 1: car will run another five years. That twelve year old

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Speaker 1: electric vehicle that they buy is probably gonna be right

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Speaker 1: now current prices twelve to fourteen grand. And then they

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Speaker 1: gotta put that ten thousand dollar battery in it. You know,

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Speaker 1: how are they going to afford that? And again, I'm

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Speaker 1: not arguing with that part at all, Ron, but I

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Speaker 1: think there is a point. It's it's like a parent.

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Speaker 1: I have four grown kids and six grandkids. There's a

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Speaker 1: point of a parent's life where they push their child

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Speaker 1: to do things that they normally wouldn't do because you know,

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Speaker 1: it's good for him. And I think the government, the

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Speaker 1: government's gone too far. Frankly, California. Tell you what, Brent, stay, stay,

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Speaker 1: stay right where you are, don't go away. Let me

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Speaker 1: pull over and take this pause. We'll finish up on

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Speaker 1: the other side of the break. I'm on nating of

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Speaker 1: the car doctor. Don't anybody go away, Welcome back when

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Speaker 1: I name the car doctor. Brent, you're still there, sir, Yes, sir, yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: We've got three minutes ahead, finish your thought. Okay, you know,

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Speaker 1: I forgot what we were talking about before, but I was.

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Speaker 1: I think I was talking about how we sometimes stress

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Speaker 1: our kids to make them grow and developing ways that

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Speaker 1: they may not want to do. The government's doing that

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Speaker 1: right now. But I think it's stupid. Is a stupid

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Speaker 1: does they're they're probably in the not too distant future

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Speaker 1: going to realize is untenable. It's we don't have the structure,

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Speaker 1: We're not ready, so ice cars are going to be

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Speaker 1: around for quite a while. But but I think moving

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Speaker 1: toward electric cars is not a bad idea. I really

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Speaker 1: enjoy it. Um But again, it's it's untenable. Are our

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Speaker 1: leaders are trying to push us and stretch us as

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Speaker 1: a culture, but they're going to realize you can't do it.

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Speaker 1: I think, what is it around only five percent of

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Speaker 1: the cars in America are electric now, and we've got problems.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was two to three pc. I didn't

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Speaker 1: think yet, Yeah, and we have and we have problem.

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Speaker 1: M The other thing that's strange is I heard the

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Speaker 1: other day that even if we went all electric with cars,

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Speaker 1: it's only addressing what they would say, six percent of

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Speaker 1: the of the carbon monoxide issue. So it's I think

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a balance, But it's like a parent

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Speaker 1: stretching a kid beyond where they like to go. The

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Speaker 1: government's gonna say, yeah, we need to make some changes.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard and it's gonna take some time. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: that's the point I want. Hey, Brent, I appreciate that,

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Speaker 1: and I appreciate the conversation. Listen, Babe, stay on the line.

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Speaker 1: Tom's gonna get your information. We're gonna be sending you

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Speaker 1: out the Michelin swag bag from the folks over at

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Speaker 1: Mischelan Belts, idlers and Tensioners. You'll find all sorts of

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Speaker 1: little shop toys in their stainless tumbler, pocket keeling and

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Speaker 1: so forth. Enjoy it and thanks for the call. I'm

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Speaker 1: not on any of the car doctor, reminding each and

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Speaker 1: every one of you until the next time. Good mechanics

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Speaker 1: aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you,