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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm welcome to Steff.

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Speaker 1: I've never told you flectu.

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Speaker 2: I heart radio, and it is time for another edition

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Speaker 2: of Female First, which means we are once again joined

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Speaker 2: by the superb the super Eeves.

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Speaker 1: Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we've missed you.

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Speaker 3: I know I took a little month off there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well I wasn't good. I hope it was a

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Speaker 1: good month of.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, definition of good. I mean, as we were just

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Speaker 4: talking about before we started recording, Annie, things are very

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Speaker 4: up and down. Sometimes things really felt like they're in disarray.

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Speaker 3: But I mean I did go on a trip.

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Speaker 4: You know, I got some outdoors time, I got some

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Speaker 4: camping time in, and I got like some so low time.

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Speaker 3: So like time to chill. So I guess that could

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Speaker 3: be considered good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, very good. Yes, it's kind of a retreat.

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Speaker 5: Well yeah, unless you know, thoughts scream at you, and

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Speaker 5: then that's not great. But that's a whole different conversation.

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Speaker 4: Say every night thing, Samantha, that is the existential crisis

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Speaker 4: that happens when I'm laying there trying my best to

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Speaker 4: go to sleep.

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Speaker 5: And all the things come across her. Do you get

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Speaker 5: these odd questions when you're thinking things through and you're

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Speaker 5: literally trying to sleep, does it like right out in

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Speaker 5: your head?

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Speaker 3: Is that just no? Do you mean like you can

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Speaker 3: visualize the words?

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Speaker 5: Yes, Like it's like a script in my head that

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Speaker 5: goes through wow instead of pictures. Sometimes Okay, I'm not one,

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Speaker 5: let's keep going.

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Speaker 3: I've too much.

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Speaker 1: I think I don't get like words.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll get very specific phrases that I hear in

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Speaker 2: my mind, but I don't see words write it's going.

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Speaker 5: To write in and be like, that's actually you should

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Speaker 5: see a doctor.

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Speaker 1: Well that's always us plus the benefit, I guess.

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Speaker 5: But anyway, that's not what we're talking about today.

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Speaker 1: No, no, it's not.

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Speaker 2: But something else that happened while you were going to

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Speaker 2: ease is that you started a new show show.

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Speaker 3: Yes I did.

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Speaker 4: It's called on Theme, and I'm co host of it

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Speaker 4: with Katie Mitchell, who's a bookstore owner and a longtime

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Speaker 4: friend of mine.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I cannot wait, so listeners definitely go check that out.

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Speaker 2: But also Katie's gonna come on the show and we're

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Speaker 2: going to have a conversation about it.

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited to meet Katie. E meet.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I am too. I'm excited for that to happen.

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Speaker 2: Yes, definitely keep an ear out for that. Listeners, Can

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Speaker 2: you tell us a little bit about what the show

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Speaker 2: is about.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So it's about black storytelling in all its forms.

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Speaker 4: So that can mean books, that can mean movies, television, shows, plays, obituaries.

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Speaker 3: You know, it can mean.

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Speaker 4: All sorts of things, like anywhere in any way that

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Speaker 4: storytelling shows up in the ways that black people are

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Speaker 4: involved in it in music as well, which is a

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Speaker 4: huge way in which, like hip hop is such a

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Speaker 4: like popular form of music, and it's a huge way

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Speaker 4: that black storytelling shows up. And like literally our everyday

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Speaker 4: lives and dominates so many different spaces, but it goes

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Speaker 4: far and beyond like all those things that we talk

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Speaker 4: about on the show, and we just really wanted a

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Speaker 4: place that was a forum to have conversations about black storytelling,

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Speaker 4: considering how powerful it is, how impactful it is, how

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Speaker 4: much we all everyone in the world enjoys black storytelling

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Speaker 4: on a daily basis. So we've started and we've already

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Speaker 4: got several episodes up, so if everyone wants to go

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Speaker 4: listen to them. Wherever you're listening to Sminty, you can

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Speaker 4: also go listen to one theme.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, so exciting.

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Speaker 5: I do have a question, because you and I share

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Speaker 5: a love for musicals, will you be talking about Brandy

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Speaker 5: and Whitney Houston's Cinderella please?

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Speaker 6: You know that?

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Speaker 4: Thank you for that, Samantha. Honestly, that has not come

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Speaker 4: up and topics of conversation, I know, but thank you

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Speaker 4: for that. We're gonna have to talk to Katie about

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Speaker 4: that because it is a quintessential piece of storytelling that

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Speaker 4: I can't speak for the black community, and I'm not

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Speaker 4: gonna pretend like I can, but I think the black

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Speaker 5: I just say, like Brandy is iconic in every way,

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Speaker 5: but I feel like she just really she was already

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Speaker 5: I can't help it. It just comes to my mind.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a great idea. Sorry, Sorry, don't be sorry

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Speaker 3: for giving free game. You just gave me an.

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Speaker 1: Idea in my head.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, there's this whole like name about men't think

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Speaker 5: about the Roman Empire every day. I think Brandy Cinderella

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Speaker 3: I don't know. This is just a thing that sild

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Speaker 3: to bring it into conversation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 2: From now on, Samantha, I want every conversation with you

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Speaker 2: to somehow come back.

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Speaker 3: Don't threaten a good time.

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Speaker 2: I think that would be amazing. Give me the most

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: Listeners, definitely go check out on the go, subscribe, leave

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Speaker 2: those good reviews, and check it out because it is

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Speaker 2: that is very relevant to a lot of the topics

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Speaker 2: that you bring onto this show. Oh yeah, including the

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Speaker 2: person we're talking about today. Can you tell us who.

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Speaker 4: We're discuss So today we're talking about Susie King Taylor,

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Speaker 4: and Annie was saying it's relevant because she did have

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Speaker 4: that is the case in a very significant and impactful

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Speaker 4: way in Susie King Taylor's life. She was the first

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Speaker 2: Did multiple first Yeah, So shall we get.

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Speaker 4: Into her history for sure? So she was born in

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Speaker 4: her grandmother may have either been free or may have

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Speaker 4: Eighteen sixty two, she moved to Beaufort, South Carolina, and

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Speaker 3: So Susie died in nineteen twelve and.

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Speaker 6: She's in Boston and that's that's her story.

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Speaker 1: And you're you're totally right, it's so important.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad that she wrote this down and that

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Speaker 2: it just it does diminish so much of what was

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, And you know, to go back to one.

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Speaker 4: It's really, So there are a lot of accounts of

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Speaker 4: And it's just like every individual who's able to contribute

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Speaker 3: The archive of.

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Speaker 4: Information that we have around these topics is important because

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, and that's I had never heard this story before.

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Speaker 2: We always love when you come on ERE so you

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Speaker 5: It's so sad because for us in Atlanta who have

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Speaker 5: and how little and like ignorant I am in these stories.

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Speaker 5: It makes me so sad that it took me forty

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Speaker 5: years to hear the story, which is why I appreciate

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Speaker 5: what you're doing and all the work that you put

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Speaker 5: into this, and especially knowing that this memoir is out

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Speaker 5: there like that is such an amazing perspective, a first

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Speaker 5: person perspective to see the heartbreaks and in the aftermaths

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Speaker 5: of civil war, because yeah, oftentimes that conversation is left

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Speaker 5: out of what happened after and how it was not

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Speaker 5: great and what needs to happen, And especially if you're

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Speaker 5: I was in the education, it's not as glossed over

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Speaker 5: so ugly, like it's so horrific how it glossed over,

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Speaker 5: and seeing her perspective and seeing how she was still

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Speaker 5: hit with so much hurt, and seeing all of the

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Speaker 5: heartbreak and horrific actions that were happening to our people,

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Speaker 5: it's just I just I'm annoyed, Like I'm quite annoyed,

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Speaker 5: because I'm like, I can't believe I'm forty three and

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Speaker 5: now hearing this, this is a boo.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's not like a lot of that

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Speaker 4: work to cover up these stories wasn't intentional, right exactly,

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Speaker 4: you know. I mean from the very beginning of the

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Speaker 4: was and how she had to undercover under wraps get

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Speaker 4: her education and right, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And that's part of that conversation is like how they

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Speaker 5: went through all this and that in itself is a

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Speaker 5: giant story and what we need to look at and

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Speaker 5: why that's so important and that we need to talk

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Speaker 5: about it today.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, well, thank you as always Eves for doing

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Speaker 2: this work, for all the things that you do under

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Speaker 2: the title. But we do love you having you, and

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Speaker 2: we are very excited to talk to you and Katie

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Speaker 2: in an upcoming episode.

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Speaker 6: Yay.

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Speaker 1: But in the meantime, where can the good listeners find you?

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Speaker 3: Y'all can find me.

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Speaker 4: Y'all can go to my website Eves Jeffcoat dot com.

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