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Speaker 2: What have you at? Your boy? Kept on stage?

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Not My Best Moment podcast, where I talk

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Speaker 3: Effect Network, Ladies Gentlemen, Cary Champion Carrie. Do you owe

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Speaker 3: the Russian money?

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Speaker 1: I do?

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Speaker 3: That is a lot of your jobs.

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Speaker 1: Well you are just as many these are. I think

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Speaker 1: you you ran over my whole list of jobs. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: but you I have. Just when you said I have

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Speaker 2: Yourself happy to work. Do you enjoy it? Is it?

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Speaker 1: Well, sometimes I do get exhausted because you know, your

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Speaker 3: I'm curious because I mean, obviously your journalists and a

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Speaker 2: I was just thinking Keith Oberman went from sports to politics.

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Speaker 3: You think about how, you know, I've seen this debate

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Speaker 1: Remember the Pledge of Allegiance? I don't even think they

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Speaker 2: I do remember this mood a huge, huge issue. Kareemar.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm like, we always and we it's been ingrained

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Speaker 1: Why do you get fired for your day off? Black girl? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Did you at least be like, were you feeling like

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Speaker 2: I was.

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Speaker 1: Like, now, yeah, of course, for sure, of course that

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Speaker 1: I that always happens. Life is ebbs and flows. That

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Speaker 1: will always happen you. There will be We'll have this

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Speaker 1: conversation five years from now, and I'm gonna be like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: remember when It'll be another moment like I could be

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Speaker 1: going through some right now. I'm like Kevin, when I

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Speaker 1: was talking to you and them foods, was saying ABC

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Speaker 1: and deep, yeah, yeah, yeah, Now how'll take that shoulder shipping.

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Speaker 2: I want to take a quick break from the show

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Speaker 3: So I imagine, right, obviously you're a black woman. You are,

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Speaker 3: people might say, might I might make that assumption.

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 3: You were in sports media at the highest level with

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Speaker 3: some of the biggest personalities, at the height of their personality,

449
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Speaker 3: at the height of debate culture. I imagine you've kind

450
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Speaker 3: of got like a few strikes against you.

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Speaker 2: Women strike for black women, strike, strike, not a man strike.

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Speaker 3: Were was your upbringing and upbringing in the way you

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Speaker 3: saw the world? Was that part of your did that

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Speaker 3: help you navigate that that world.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, that world is that's a tough world.

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Speaker 1: I even still believe to this day. We see people

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Speaker 1: on TVA and they and they, especially women in sports.

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Speaker 1: I think most of them have really good positions if

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Speaker 1: they are like reporters and they're out in the field

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Speaker 1: a lot, or if they're able to, you know, host

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Speaker 1: their own shows. But there is such a responsibility that

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Speaker 1: comes it in such constraint. There is no freedom in that.

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Speaker 1: There's no one who is on air that's I believe

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Speaker 1: a woman that is truly free to be her ship.

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't, you know, they don't. It's not built

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Speaker 1: like that. There will never be a female There could

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Speaker 1: be let me just let me work, let me get

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Speaker 1: my words right. There could be you're correct, there could

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Speaker 1: be a female steven A. I just don't know when

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Speaker 1: I'm going to see that someone with that kind of freedom,

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Speaker 1: that can say what they want, that can say what

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Speaker 1: they want to athletes, they can say what they want

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Speaker 1: to anybody. They can look, you know, down the barrel

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Speaker 1: of a camera and say, don't come from me, you're wrong,

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Speaker 1: you know, to all those things. Women just don't have

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Speaker 1: that luxury and I think that's just a microcosm of society.

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Speaker 3: It's another example of society politics sports like your as

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Speaker 3: you're saying this, I'm realizing, the lens with which you

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Speaker 3: are viewed is the lens with which women are viewed.

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Speaker 2: Sure, in America, it's.

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Speaker 3: Like one thing I always find so funny of the

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Speaker 3: debata sports online, men assume that women cannot I'm talking

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Speaker 3: about men who didn't.

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Speaker 2: Play sports either.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 3: Sure, they assumed that women could not possibly understand games.

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Speaker 2: Of course, like we both can watch a game and understand.

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Speaker 1: Like you don't know what you're talking about? Do you

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Speaker 1: remember that? Do you remember that there was this funny

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Speaker 1: little TikTok t what are some challenge going around? And

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Speaker 1: a girlfriend will walk up to her boyfriend and be like,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, Taylor Shrift stating that guy she just

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Speaker 1: kind of put him on. Huh he's new, right, that

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Speaker 1: new guy. He's kind of good, he's good at football,

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Speaker 1: And men would look, what are you talking about? Oh

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Speaker 1: my god?

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Speaker 3: This just was like men could not fathom that a

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Speaker 3: large amount of women did not know about Klay Thompson

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Speaker 3: until he dated Meghan The.

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Speaker 1: STYLLIU Jameel and I did on our podcast. This is

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Speaker 1: so funny you breathe is that we had the conversation,

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Speaker 1: and I, this is me just throwing some things out there, because,

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Speaker 1: believe it or not, I still have friends in sports,

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Speaker 1: and I still have people who in Hollywood who know

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Speaker 1: these couples. And I remember when they first got together.

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Speaker 1: I was hearing different things and I kind of threw

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Speaker 1: one of the things that I heard out there. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's true, And I said, I said,

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Speaker 1: I don't necessarily know what this relationship was about. I

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Speaker 1: could imagine that it's harder. I can imagine it is

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Speaker 1: Harper Clay to stay faithful. Well, that's not even about thing.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if Megan was faithful. That's not

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Speaker 1: in my business, I said, But I think the relationship

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Speaker 1: for both of them was mutually beneficial in the moment.

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Speaker 1: I think she might have been in it for love,

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Speaker 1: because she really loved him and liked what he was about.

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Speaker 1: But I know that I was like, yes, Shane might

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Speaker 1: have been off, like this was a little a different

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Speaker 1: kind of look for him. What do you mean this

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Speaker 1: man won how many championships? You sound so stupid?

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Speaker 2: What he want for her?

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Speaker 1: He want nothing? From her, and I'm like, you're missing

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Speaker 1: the point. You're missing the point. I'm not saying he

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Speaker 1: is not an excellent man. He got seven hundred million dollars.

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Speaker 1: He don't need nothing from this hot girl who's out

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Speaker 1: here throwing her kochie around. You are an idiot, dumb

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Speaker 1: that's the Internet. That's the madness for talking to me.

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Speaker 1: That's the madness for talking to me, you know, dummy,

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Speaker 1: and you and you're old and go away. And I

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Speaker 1: was just like, yo, hold sir. I was just like

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Speaker 1: all I suggested. I didn't say this is definitive. I

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Speaker 1: suggested that it was mutually beneficial and that he probably

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Speaker 1: did like her, but he also probably liked the little

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Speaker 1: extra attention if you are if you are in a

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Speaker 1: space where you're not getting the attention you want, like

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Speaker 1: and when she had posted about his mood swings and

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Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, I was like, I can

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Speaker 1: imagine the athletes are. They're a tough They're a tough group,

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Speaker 1: especially when your artists in a sense, and every artist

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Speaker 1: when they're not at the top of their game, feels

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Speaker 1: a way because they are artists. That doesn't mean they're

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Speaker 1: not going to get back to where they need to

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Speaker 1: be or they need to have their moments. But this

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Speaker 1: was a moment for him. It really was. People started panting.

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Speaker 1: They were like, I didn't know he was a cute.

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Speaker 1: I ain't heard. I have been in sports the majority

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Speaker 1: of my career. I have never heard people talk about

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Speaker 1: Clay so much in my life, in every other main

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Speaker 1: stream atmosphere, just like that, Just like that guy who

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Speaker 1: was a tight end, who's dating Travis's dating? Uh, Taylor

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Speaker 1: Swift said he's.

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Speaker 3: Got millions of Travis Kelsey got millions of followers upon dating.

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Speaker 3: Taylor Swift sold more jerseys than he ever.

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Speaker 1: So don't let me, don't let me bring that up.

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Speaker 1: Don't let me bring that up. That's that's why you

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Speaker 1: got fired. I never got fired from ESPN. That's why

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Speaker 1: you got fired from Love.

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Speaker 3: To tell you what, God, is it frustrating? No, like

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Speaker 3: because you you know, when you work there and you're

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Speaker 3: on social media, right, even if you're just on there

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Speaker 3: to consume, Uh, there's often a lot of vitriol directed

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Speaker 3: at women.

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Speaker 2: I see it with you amp.

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Speaker 1: It's been amped up recently. I do believe this. That's

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Speaker 1: why when I was watching that podcast, I mean, the

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Speaker 1: dog manisphere. I was like, I don't want to label

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Speaker 1: everything that, but it's a different kind of I remember

568
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Speaker 1: because I was one of the nineteen hundreds. I remember

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Speaker 1: when the Internet wasn't necessarily safe, but it wasn't as

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Speaker 1: dangerous like it. She feels like you'd be like, let

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Speaker 1: me just whatever. You just be like, all right, whateverfort

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Speaker 1: no matter say anything. You can't have an opinion. Everyone's mad,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just like, oh, this is a really nasty

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Speaker 1: place now for me. I don't mind you being mad

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Speaker 1: at me. And if I'm in the mood, I go

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Speaker 1: back and forth.

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Speaker 2: You go back and forth.

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Speaker 1: I don't if I'm in the mood.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it ain't all the time.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I have time.

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Speaker 1: I'm just like, shut up your mama, like you make

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Speaker 1: me sick, your idiot or whatever whatever it is, whatever

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Speaker 1: I feel like doing. And then I'm like, oh God,

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Speaker 1: God don't like when I do that. But truly, my

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Speaker 1: spirit does get bothered. But I go back and forth

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Speaker 1: too much. I don't see how Jay do it.

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Speaker 2: Jay.

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Speaker 1: I'll call Jay. I was like, I'm getting jumped in

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Speaker 1: the comments. Come join me, girl, just like, hold on,

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Speaker 1: I've got an extra thirty.

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Speaker 2: Will be in there too.

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Speaker 3: She'll be in there fight, but she does it less

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Speaker 3: now yeah, she's born threads.

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Speaker 1: Now that it gets too it's exhausting, like you can't

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Speaker 1: and and by the way, people sometimes you do it

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Speaker 1: to make a point, but if people are committed to misunderstanding,

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Speaker 1: it's just no point going back and forth with or

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Speaker 1: like when I'm seeing it, sometimes I stop posting some

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Speaker 1: of my stuff and when I'm on seeing it because

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Speaker 1: I just don't feel like the other group of people

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Speaker 1: jumping in and talking about it's always a race which

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Speaker 1: you blacks, you blacks. There you go again, race fading blackie.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just like, yo, I I'm happening to the

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Speaker 1: days when people would all go and tell me how

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Speaker 1: pretty I was.

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Speaker 3: Shit you actually as you and I wanted to talk

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Speaker 3: about singing in as well. You get the hypervigilance of

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Speaker 3: sports and politics and low key to me, not a journalist,

609
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 3: not a political officionado. But there's fandom around political figures

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Speaker 3: in the same way there is around sports teams and athletes.

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Speaker 3: Like there's the way you could be a lebron Stan

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Speaker 3: or Shade Stan or whatever. You could say. The same

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Speaker 3: for Trump, for Kamala, for Bernie. There's people who are

614
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Speaker 3: still mad Bernie didn't win and are still like seeing

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Speaker 3: his name the way they you know, speak about former athletes.

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Speaker 3: You know Kobe would have done this or Jordan, Like

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Speaker 3: you've chosen two of the most divisive, vitriolic fan bases ever.

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Speaker 3: Are you ever like, all right, I'm gonna get into

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Speaker 3: lifestyle knitting something where the people are knitting. Fans probably

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Speaker 3: aren't like she better not be using that I did.

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Speaker 1: There would be a bot from Bangladesh like this yarn

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Speaker 1: is trash, you know what I mean? Like, I know

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Speaker 1: for a fact, look at this needle. This is wrong

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Speaker 1: kind of needle. This is why follow her no more.

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Speaker 1: But I do think though, No, to your point, I

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Speaker 1: have been. It's not even on purpose. Sometimes I will

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Speaker 1: post things that are just easy going, very like in

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Speaker 1: my space where I am. But no, I don't ever

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Speaker 1: think that I want to get out of it. It's

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Speaker 1: you know something I saw two things I saw the

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Speaker 1: other day which was very true, and I spoke to

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Speaker 1: my spirit. If the calling keeps calling, it is your calling.

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Speaker 1: You can't you can't walk away from it. I was saying,

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Speaker 1: I wish I could get on TV and both sides

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Speaker 1: of it. I wish I didn't have strong opinions about

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Speaker 1: how this world is. I truly, I truly wish that

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Speaker 1: I could just be quiet. I wish I could shut

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Speaker 1: up and dribble. I truly do wish that I could

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Speaker 1: do that. And I'm not even lying to you. I

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Speaker 1: just I can't. It just is in my it's like here, okay,

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Speaker 1: shut up, care okay, here you know what, damn it,

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Speaker 1: here I go. Have you seen the movie Robert, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course.

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Speaker 3: So you're de Niro and and the and then letting

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Speaker 3: it go is Wayne grow You remember when de Niro

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Speaker 3: he had it.

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Speaker 2: He was he's got the money, he's got his girl.

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Speaker 1: Said don't look back, and Denaro was like, I gotta

649
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: go back.

650
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: You're like, no, you ain't got to kill you.

651
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: I got to kill you. Ain't got to go back.

652
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 1: It's just like I gotta take that boy down. Kill.

653
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: I gotta go take him down.

654
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: I gotta kill.

655
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 1: I got I got it.

656
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: Even if I died, I got to kill.

657
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: Which is literally you just be like, who put it

658
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: into the point? That's really something that's placed in your

659
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: heart because you because who wants to be on it?

660
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to be mopping the ocean. I don't

661
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 1: want to be fighting the internet like that, because that's

662
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: literally what you're doing. And people are calling you names,

663
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: and they're the nastiest names, and they assume they know you.

664
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: I remember I was on a flight and uh this

665
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: was before the election, and I was on a flight

666
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: and I was sitting at first class. I was hopping

667
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: up and this this, this, this white, lovely gentleman walked

668
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: and he was like, you go get him, you know,

669
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: like from CNN. He was like, you goal, and you

670
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: get him. We got a win today. I don't know

671
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: what happened. We had some sort of win. He assumed

672
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: we were all on the same team, referring to Democrats.

673
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: We got a win. You know, I'm not about to

674
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 1: debate this man. I was like, thank you. So you

675
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: go have this white lady jumped up. She's like, not

676
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: so fast. You don't have a win. And I said, man,

677
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: we just get my leggage from overhead. I didn't even

678
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: get involved in this, just trying to land, go get

679
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: a snack, go to the hotel, take a shower, so fast,

680
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: just like yo. I was like, this is when I

681
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: knew stuff was wild because I'm literally deplaning. I'm talking

682
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: to no one and he's like yeah because he because

683
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: he was like, we're on the same team. So he talked, lady,

684
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: not so fast. I just I was like, yo, you

685
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: know that's another place you can't fight, you can't get

686
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: You can't go bad or argue with anybody because they'll

687
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: put you on a no fly list.

688
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 2: What you're gonna do detrimental to my life.

689
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: I must be on a plane all the time.

690
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: I cannot, so I take a lot of LS.

691
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: I take so many I don't even want my my

692
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: flight my status to be interrupted much less I don't

693
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: want my status to be impacted. Yeah, this is I

694
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 3: worked hard for this. I need to get bumped. I listen,

695
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: I need.

696
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 2: To get bumped.

697
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: Status is such an important thing and people who don't

698
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: fly as much don't get it. So I'm not going

699
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: to be like these are really Champagne problems, but like

700
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: I really truly, because you want to be comfortable at

701
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: least as much as you possibly can, you.

702
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 2: Fly as much as we have to for work.

703
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, all the time.

704
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 3: Like I remember when I first started flying, and like

705
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 3: I truly enjoyed it. I would get there early and

706
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 3: get mag This is prior to like phones being as

707
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 3: good as they were. But when you travel, you know,

708
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 3: for work so much that you're recognizing the flight attendant. Yes,

709
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 3: I'm recognizing like they're like, okay, it's Thursday. Like I

710
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: was taking the same flight to Atlanta almost every Thursday,

711
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 3: because you know, from LA almost everything connects to Atlanta,

712
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 3: So I'm taking the same red. I see the same

713
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 3: airport workers at the gate agent agent, same flight attendance.

714
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 3: I gotta be comfortable if I'm gonna be spending ten hours,

715
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 3: twelve hours off in a weekend on flights, yeah, I

716
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,760
Speaker 3: want it. If I didn't fly that much, who cares?

717
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: And I'm also a big person.

718
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: I'm six, I'm making it. You got you got the

719
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 1: wrong audience. Go ahead, be comfortable. Don't make no excuses

720
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,479
Speaker 1: for me. I'm like first, first, first class, first, first,

721
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,400
Speaker 1: up your feet, I'll have the chicken. You guys are

722
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,800
Speaker 1: doing the meat balls again? Yes, okay, you know whatever

723
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: it is is? This shit is? This is this venee?

724
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: Is we Okay? This is such a bougie conversation. But

725
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: you ain't got to.

726
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 2: Tell me among amongst friends, it's the same space.

727
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: I understand I saw this, dude, I was fighting. I

728
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: was thinking about, as you were saying, as the same

729
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:15,360
Speaker 1: flight attendant, if we went from LA New York and

730
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 1: then I have to go to San Francisco.

731
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 2: Uh.

732
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: But I went a week before for to meet my

733
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 1: friends in Napa because and then we were gonna go

734
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: to Super Bowl and I saw the same flight. I said, hey,

735
00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,399
Speaker 1: how you doing. Were you want my flight to New York.

736
00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, now we're I was like, oh my god,

737
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: it's so good to see, like the same thing. You

738
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: just chatting these people up and what's going on? Honey?

739
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 1: What do you fight someone? You know?

740
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 2: Whatever?

741
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: And I don't want no beef, so I let I

742
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: let Sally go not so fast. I was like, Sally,

743
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: you got visual.

744
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: It's just like, let me tell you something.

745
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was two seconds away.

746
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 2: For sure.

747
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: Did you would have got punched because I got going

748
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 1: to control myself. Okay, you can't. You can't do that.

749
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: You can't call me blackie to You can't call me

750
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 1: blacky to my face on the internet.

751
00:35:58,440 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: You can, yeah, for sure, for sure.

752
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 3: I'm curious how you because you are outspoken, right, but

753
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 3: you're often.

754
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,760
Speaker 2: You can't lose your cool, right? How do you balance

755
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: the aga cool?

756
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: It's so interesting when people say I don't, I feel like, yeah,

757
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: people think I am probably a little more elegant and

758
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: refined than I am. You know. So one time I'm

759
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: on CNN and I, you know, Scott Jenny's is a nightmare,

760
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 1: and he and I were going back and forth, and

761
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: in the beginning, before I realized what it was, I

762
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: would really talk to him, like try to make him understand,

763
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: but with an attitude and be mad.

764
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

765
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: And then I realized. And then I go home and

766
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: I be up all night like stressed out. I'm like,

767
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 1: I he got me on TV looking crazy. I'm rolling

768
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 1: my neck and doing because I'm gonna tell you we

769
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: had one. I had a debate with this guy just

770
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: last week. His name is Arthur. I love me some

771
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: Arthur in a very different way. He is an attorney,

772
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: and I think he leans more conservative. But Arthur was

773
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: like and he was like, you know, Carrie goes sit

774
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: the beer and be like this. And I said, hey,

775
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: roll your neck one more time, sir, one more time.

776
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:07,399
Speaker 1: I said, you got one more time to row your neck.

777
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: I know I'm not on TV rolling my neck, I said,

778
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 1: I'm doing this though, I'm doing this, but don't roll

779
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 1: your neck at me. I don't even know you like that, sir,

780
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: Like like what so that's what I'm like? Why do

781
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: I have these people taking me out of my character?

782
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:23,719
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

783
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, enough's enough, like and so I go.

784
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: I used to really be I used to think about

785
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: this and I was just like, I'm really I don't

786
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: want this. I don't want this for me. And I

787
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: think so many times, especially for us, because these people

788
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: sometimes and I can't speak for all of them, but

789
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: sometimes when they go on these shows and they look

790
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: for their viral moments, they don't really care. They have

791
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 1: no they have no interest in what really is happening.

792
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel really personal to them. What I'm talking

793
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: about feels really personal to you. And you're talking about,

794
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: you know, black voter dilution and because of the Civil

795
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: Rights Act, Like yeah, I feel like you're really true

796
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: right to dilute the black vote. You are trying to

797
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: marginalize an already marginalized community. I feel it feels so

798
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 1: personal to me. That is the humanity I am speaking to,

799
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: and they're doing it to be viral they're doing it

800
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: because they don't sure because race to them, and these

801
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: are the people who don't care about what the struggle is,

802
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,959
Speaker 1: Race to them is optional. Like you could literally live

803
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,720
Speaker 1: most of your life if you're not a black person

804
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: and not talk about race because you don't feel.

805
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 2: It every time, Absolutely you don't.

806
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: You don't have to interact with it every day, and

807
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: you don't have to deal with a micro and aggression aggression,

808
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: you know.

809
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 3: What I mean.

810
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 1: So I don't think they really understand why it's so personal,

811
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And so it's personal. So

812
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: that's why you see us up.

813
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 2: There, mad, Yeah, I think I was.

814
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: I was reading a book in college about, you know,

815
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 3: how black enslaved people navigated, you know, being enslaved, and

816
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 3: one of the things they were saying is you have

817
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 3: to know white people better than they know themselves. You

818
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 3: have to know their tales, what makes them said, because

819
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 3: it's a survival technique. And it's like, you know, as

820
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: a black father the black children, you have to train

821
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 3: them how they're going to be perceived. Because sometimes it's

822
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 3: not like a optional thing. This can be life or death,

823
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: you know, like when Trayvon Martin was killed I'm having

824
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 3: to tell my kids what having a hoodie on in

825
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 3: the neighborhood means. Just a few months ago, my son

826
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 3: and his friends were at coming through our neighborhood and

827
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 3: they didn't feel like walking through the guard gate, so

828
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: they hopped the fence and the security came around and

829
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 3: was like freaking out. We told our kids our son, Hey, brother,

830
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: you don't have hop the fence skin, yeah, and you

831
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 3: live here. You're hopping the fence into the neighborhood. You live, No, sir,

832
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 3: you are a black kid, but you have to tell

833
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 3: them because you are black. And my kids are you know,

834
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 3: they're not huge, but they're not small. My youngest son,

835
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: who was hopping the fence, he's a kind of a

836
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 3: stocky kid, doesn't present smiling. He's got muscles and braids

837
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 3: with a hoodie on, hop in the fence.

838
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 2: Were gonna kill you man.

839
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why you're here. What are you doing?

840
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 2: Certain we don't you don't live.

841
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 3: Here, and he does so, you know, and his friends

842
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,800
Speaker 3: and he has a lot of Mexican friends. Both of

843
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: my kids have a lot of Mexican friends. They live

844
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 3: in La it's a lot of Mexican people here, and

845
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: me and my wife have to tell them you are black.

846
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 3: There's a different y'all all people of color, but you're black.

847
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: How the police, how the world sees them ain't even

848
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 3: the same as how they see you. You are gonna

849
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 3: be treated differently. And I wish we didn't have to

850
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 3: tell them that, but it would also be I would

851
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 3: be doing them a disservice if I wish the world

852
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,759
Speaker 3: wasn't like this. I wish you could have your hoodie on,

853
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 3: and look how you brother, you can't do that. If

854
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 3: you gotta go to the bathroom in the gas station,

855
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 3: buy some gum, or go to a hotel, you.

856
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 2: Can't just.

857
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: Certain freedoms. It's unfortunate. Yeah, but you know there are

858
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: certain freedoms we don't have. As you say that, I

859
00:40:55,560 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: just think about just all the things that unfortunately cross

860
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: my mind, Like I think that, you know, the pendulum

861
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: will always swing the other way. We're so divided right now.

862
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: It's so polarizing in this and I call it the

863
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: Barack Obama backlash for sure, and so we're living. I

864
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: don't you know what sheryln iifel told me this, she goes,

865
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if we're going to see it in

866
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: our lifetime. She was like, well, she was like settle in.

867
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 1: I was like, settle in.

868
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 2: I thought we would never see it the first time.

869
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: I was like, settle in. I don't want to settle

870
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 1: into this type of atmosphere. But I often think about

871
00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: what happens when you are outspoken or when you do

872
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: have an opinion, and I like, is it costing me?

873
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 1: Every single day? That's the question I asked myself before

874
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: I go on CNN, before I get top on the pod,

875
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is this going to cost?

876
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 2: Right?

877
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: And then at the end of the day, you know,

878
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: sometimes back to I can't just shut up and dribble.

879
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: I rather be on the right side of history and

880
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: the wrong side. I just if it's going to cost

881
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: me my comfort, so be it. Because they cost our

882
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: ancestors their comfort and we don't even that's the problem

883
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: why we're not activated today, because we are comfortable. Everybody

884
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: is comfortable. We've done okay, but now it's like we

885
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: haven't gotten as far as we thought we had in

886
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 1: this country. Right, so now that.

887
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 2: We they did is being unraveled.

888
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: It takes no time.

889
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 3: It takes no time, zero time, and death literally takes violence. Blood,

890
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,279
Speaker 3: death takes skill there and it's.

891
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 1: To unravel the work of progression. It takes no time,

892
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: and you're we're seeing it in real time, and people

893
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 1: are like, it's not gonna happen. It's like when I

894
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: when I have these conversations with people, that's stupid, that's

895
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: never it's never gonna be like that. I'll be like bad,

896
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna you know, I don't waste my breath

897
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: for people have already decided they that nothing is really

898
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: wrong and it's fine. I'm like bet Okay. Meanwhile, I'm

899
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: aware of it and I think, like this shure is

900
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: going to cost me, but you know, ship, guess just

901
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 1: don't have to cost a yid.

902
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 2: Hey, guys, taking a quick commercial break. We'll be right back.

903
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 2: Do you think that you're being outspoken? Yes?

904
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,720
Speaker 1: Correct, not so fast?

905
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 2: In some ways. I'm sure it cost you. I'm sure

906
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 2: it has mental anguish.

907
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 3: But do you think you would be in this position

908
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 3: if you weren't outspoken?

909
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: Well, let me tell you. I feel like the position

910
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: that I am, I have a great amount of freedom.

911
00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: I really do. I think that I am learning to

912
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,959
Speaker 1: words are so powerful and I'm learning to be very, very,

913
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: not necessarily smart with my words. But I'm learning that

914
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: I just don't want to be willy nilly and just

915
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: say anything. Yeah, I do understand that words have power

916
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: and you say things and they could be wrong, and

917
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,120
Speaker 1: you you informing people, and there's so much misinformation out there,

918
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 1: and as a journalist, I think now I'm hyper vigilant.

919
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: And so this position I am is that I'm in.

920
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 1: It is very free, but it's it's exhausting. I didn't

921
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: think that i'd be hustling like this. I thought that

922
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, that should be an easy I

923
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: would like it to be easy. But this is not this.

924
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 1: This is not the season for easy.

925
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 2: No, not for me, not for me.

926
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: I can't put my head in the sand and act

927
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:34,959
Speaker 1: like I don't know what's going on. I just don't

928
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: have that luxury. And I wish I was built that way. Right, So,

929
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 1: and I don't even think I'm as outspoken as I

930
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: as I could be, because it's just not the way

931
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 1: in which I communicate. Like my boo, you're talking about Jammel,

932
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 1: she'd be like, And then I think about these white people.

933
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: They get so mad at you, And that's why we

934
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: can't stand you whitey, And I just be like, did

935
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: did you just say that? She's like, yes, and let

936
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: me tell you why. You know, I'm exaggerating, but she's

937
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: very matter of fact and she doesn't hate white people.

938
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 1: In fact, she's the sweetest person you'll ever meet entire life.

939
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: But she does. She's very well aware of the country

940
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 1: that we live in, the freedoms that we have and

941
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: the freedoms that we don't have, and she has no

942
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: problem talking about it, and she has an opinion about it.

943
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: I don't have an opinion about everything, but the stuff

944
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: I have an opinion about is very strong.

945
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you're right.

946
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,359
Speaker 1: I just don't have the energy to have an opinion

947
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: about everything. I'm not built that way. I'm not wired

948
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 1: that way. But I do believe I can't stand by

949
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: and watch our civil rights be taken away and not

950
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: say anything about it. Like I was like, you know,

951
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: this is what happened to our our first amendment, like

952
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: we are allowed to speak. Freedom of speech ain't ever

953
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: been free. But if we continue to ignore it, we're

954
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: going to find ourselves when we start playing to say,

955
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna find ourselves in a world of trouble. That

956
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: whole world of trouble. You you made news because you

957
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: tried to say something kind about the LBGTQ community. Yes,

958
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:57,399
Speaker 1: you're just like I.

959
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 2: A forgot that plus plus yes alphabet.

960
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm like, this is crazy. Yeah, this is where

961
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: we are right now.

962
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 3: Well, I think the thing is what you said, and

963
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 3: I think this is one what I'm learning from you,

964
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 3: and also how I see the world too. I actually

965
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: that was the one time I probably was the most

966
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 3: okay getting dragged because.

967
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 2: I knew it's what I actually felt.

968
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 3: It was the one time I've actually gotten dragged for

969
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 3: what I said in context and correctly, and I was like, oh,

970
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 3: you just disagree with me. That is okay the way

971
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 3: I see the world, the way I want to.

972
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: Appear in the world. Sure, I'm okay with you thinking

973
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: I'm wrong.

974
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:41,239
Speaker 3: Sure, because I think I'm right and I think i'm

975
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 3: gonna be proven more right.

976
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 2: I think I'm just early for a lot of people.

977
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 2: But even if I'm not, you know, let.

978
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: Me ask you a question. Yes, being right isn't always

979
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: that important to me? Yeah, it's not always me neither,

980
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: It's not important to be right. Sometimes you just gotta

981
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: you gotta take an l because you're like like being

982
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: right and and my piece, which one do I want

983
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 1: to have on at my piece? I want to be right,

984
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,760
Speaker 1: you know I I for instance, you know I said

985
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: when I said something last year on the internet and

986
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 1: I didn't even know if it was going. It became

987
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: a whole thing, and oh, I got I got beat

988
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: up bad. I got jumped. They was like wait a minute,

989
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: and I was sitting there. I was like, I literally

990
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: just put my phone down and turned off that. I

991
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,239
Speaker 1: was like, I'm just gonna have to set this off

992
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 1: because I got to pretend like this didn't happen. You're right,

993
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: I gotta act like it did because it was just

994
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: so much. It was the stephen A thing when I

995
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,279
Speaker 1: when I mentioned when I was upset about how he

996
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,839
Speaker 1: had been talking about black women. And there was this

997
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: woman we worked with at the time. Her name was

998
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: Michelle Beadle, and she jumped on, jumped right on a

999
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 1: whole podcast, look dead the camera and was like, I

1000
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: don't wish you well. I'm praying for your downfall.

1001
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:54,359
Speaker 2: And I was like.

1002
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 1: What. And I was like, Jamel calls me. She's like,

1003
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: see if he says something about this, because he got

1004
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,320
Speaker 1: something to say about everybody else and then he didn't

1005
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:08,759
Speaker 1: and it was not my business to jump in, but

1006
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 1: it was my business to jump in because I was like,

1007
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 1: I'm not to stand in a gap for these black

1008
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: women who keep taking these hits and it's just not

1009
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: fair now because a black woman was saying it. It

1010
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: was like, shut your mouth, you a grateful person. And

1011
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 1: he talked about I hired him, like you did, like

1012
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: all these things were just I was just like what

1013
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 1: it was? All this stuff, it was crazy and it

1014
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: wasn't Things that were coming out of his mouth were

1015
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 1: not true. And you know, Jamel puts on her cape

1016
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 1: and joins in and she like tag me, and I'm like.

1017
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 2: You got it?

1018
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: You like this, go ahead, you got it, She says

1019
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: her case because she knows the truth. She knows what

1020
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 1: went down. And I didn't get on to you know,

1021
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: go toe to toe or go back and forth because

1022
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: I didn't want to back and forth. But what I

1023
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 1: really wanted was for this man who I have known

1024
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: off camera just as I have known on camera. And

1025
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: he's not the kind of person you can call up

1026
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: and say, hey, call me back. That's not the kind

1027
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: of friendship we have. But I am very when I

1028
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: saw him, I am very cordial. I'm like, what's up,

1029
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: how are you hey? I'm proud of you all these things,

1030
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: but two things can be true. Stop talking about this

1031
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: black woman like this. Yes, it feels very it feels

1032
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: very personal. And as a black woman, I want to

1033
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: say something and I never say anything, So I was calculated.

1034
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:18,799
Speaker 1: I knew that me tagging in was intentional, but I

1035
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: wanted to be right. I didn't know it was going

1036
00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: to be all you dad. I wanted him to be right.

1037
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: I was like, this is not right what you're doing,

1038
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: and you should know better and you should treat us better.

1039
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: And you can be appalled and you can say it's

1040
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: not the right thing. But in that moment, I'm like,

1041
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:34,840
Speaker 1: oh boy, I did not feel like getting jump by

1042
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,240
Speaker 1: all these men. Then fast forward. Was I wrong?

1043
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 2: No, it wasn't wrong at all. You was you were wrong?

1044
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 2: You were just early.

1045
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 1: I was early.

1046
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 3: That's how I feel about the LGBT. I if I'm wrong,

1047
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 3: I'm okay. But I don't think I'm wrong.

1048
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:54,000
Speaker 2: I'm just early, and I can live.

1049
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: I can live with that.

1050
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: I can live with that.

1051
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: I can live with that.

1052
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:01,400
Speaker 2: You can be mad. I'm not going on your side. Yeah,

1053
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: to make you.

1054
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: Feel bad, all right, and now everybody looking around. And

1055
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: so when other people start to say it, more specifically,

1056
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: when men start saying it and other black men are

1057
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: saying it, it's like, okay, well maybe yeah.

1058
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 2: Right, I'm so fast.

1059
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: That was me. I was like, not so fast, because

1060
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: y'all jumped me, right, you jumped my back, you got back,

1061
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: you jumped out there like.

1062
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 2: He was prepared to take it there. I'm curious before

1063
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 2: I let you go.

1064
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 3: Because you've done so well in so many different arenas,

1065
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,720
Speaker 3: both on camera, producing the things you've created. I asked

1066
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,720
Speaker 3: almost all my guess this, in five years, if everything

1067
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 3: goes well five or ten years the way you desire it,

1068
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 3: what what does that look like.

1069
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: Oh that's such a good question. I think that's what

1070
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out now. I think that you know,

1071
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 1: evolving is a forever process. It takes forever to do it.

1072
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: And I say this to anyone who sees themselves in

1073
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: a different space or taking on different roles because you

1074
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: do it. But it's a forever process. So I see

1075
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:22,279
Speaker 1: the conversation of sports and politics and culture intersecting in

1076
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: a way that feels more fluid and more common. People

1077
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Speaker 1: try to stop you from doing it. You know, when

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Speaker 1: I have my show to stick to sports, it was

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00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: a show specifically about not sticking to sports. Carrie Champion show.

1080
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: We talk about all these different things. So as I evolve,

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00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 1: I wonder, because I just feel like, you know, legacy

1082
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 1: media is dead. I feel like it's disappearing. I wonder

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00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: how I'll find my space that I can still be

1084
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 1: me and do what I do at the highest level,

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00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 1: because that's where I see myself, so doing what I

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00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: do at the highest level. But it's it's now it's

1087
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: about what platform really gives you the highest level. What's

1088
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: the highest level? What platform? Right, because there's eighteen thousand platforms.

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00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 3: You could argue Netflix is the highest level for a

1090
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 3: lot of things. And fifteen years ago Netflix was the

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00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 3: place that you just watched The Office, friends and old movies.

1092
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: And now it's something totally different.

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00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 3: If I can get on Netflix, yeah, and in ten

1094
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 3: years that might be the truth, or it might be

1095
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:22,440
Speaker 3: totally different.

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00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: Or it might be a new platform, or it might

1097
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: be or it might be like YouTube took back over

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00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: and everybody now everyone now anybody can have a YouTube channel, right,

1099
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,799
Speaker 1: But it might be to the point where they might decide, yeah,

1100
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: everybody can have a YouTube channel, no more if you

1101
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: don't have this many subscribers and you don't produce this

1102
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: much or this type of content.

1103
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.

1104
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 1: It's now a private platform and everybody came to slog

1105
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,320
Speaker 1: on and talk about their uncle's shoes, you know what

1106
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean, Like it's a I've never thought about that. No,

1107
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: it's literally what could happen? And so I think for

1108
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 1: me right now, five years feels like forever and I'm

1109
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,120
Speaker 1: just watching our landscape and how it's evolving. But ultimately,

1110
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: I still want to be able to produce more content

1111
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 1: that is more for me, more funny, Like I am

1112
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: not a comedian, I'm being silly.

1113
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 2: I am you are funny.

1114
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,440
Speaker 1: I'm sorry you are funny.

1115
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 2: I think that is true.

1116
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:08,879
Speaker 1: This is true.

1117
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 2: Tell them, it is true.

1118
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:14,320
Speaker 3: Documented Carrie Champion, Ladies and gentlemen, from a funny person

1119
00:53:14,560 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 3: to a funny person.

1120
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 2: She's a funny person.

1121
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: Now wait a minute, that's because I'm a comedic.

1122
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 3: Tim Yeah, I get a callback. That's two comedic things.

1123
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: I don't I do this, but by the way, I

1124
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 1: do this all the pot, all the time. And Dreamelle

1125
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: and I fall out because I really do be just

1126
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 1: being silly. So this is like, but I I wonder,

1127
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: I think. I try to look at each each like

1128
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 1: the trends and what's happening, and I try to find

1129
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: myself living in between. Which one makes me feel more

1130
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 1: safe one two allows me to be more of myself.

1131
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 1: And right now that's truly podcasting like I can do.

1132
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: I still get my feels though, like I got a

1133
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:54,839
Speaker 1: contract with CNN. I go on CNN and I talk

1134
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 1: my sport. That gives me my journalistic feel and I'm

1135
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 1: trying to do what I need to do. But right now, like,

1136
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 1: this is not your mom's this is not what your

1137
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: mother did. You're not staying at you know, General Ge,

1138
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 1: General Electric. For thirty years we were bouncing.

1139
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,879
Speaker 2: I don't are you just society as well?

1140
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, we bouncing, We do them and we have to

1141
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,640
Speaker 1: be on roller skates right now. This is the world

1142
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: that we live in. We have to be on roller skates.

1143
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 1: And five years from now, like a dream dream would

1144
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 1: be able to also do something overseas, like whether that

1145
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: be working for a BBC really or a yeah, like

1146
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: and that's that to me is low like I feel

1147
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: like that's around the corner. I feel like, you know,

1148
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 1: I'm working on projects right now where I'll be overseas working,

1149
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: but there's something about the lack of my knowledge of

1150
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,200
Speaker 1: what happens in other countries and how they view Americans.

1151
00:54:39,239 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: I want more of that because I think that can

1152
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: help the overall product that I want to put out.

1153
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: Because we are a global like Netflix is global, absolutely

1154
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: so I need to be able to be in other spaces,

1155
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: in other worlds, and I can't just have such an

1156
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: ethnocentric type of point of view. I want to be

1157
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: able to be in London and be like, Okay, this

1158
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: is okay, I see this is how they're doing their

1159
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: content there, and pick all these worlds and mess them together.

1160
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: That would be That was a long way of me

1161
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 1: saying that would be where I want to see myself.

1162
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 2: I think there was an international international careay Champlain, Yeah.

1163
00:55:05,600 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: See yeah, that's my name. So now wait a minute, yeah, yeah,

1164
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's a new show. I'm about to

1165
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 1: trademark it right now. Now wait a minute with Carrie

1166
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,080
Speaker 1: Shammy is mine. Don't even try to take it. Yeah,

1167
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: I appreciate you so very much, and so let me

1168
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: just say this. I'm very proud of you.

1169
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:28,120
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1170
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: When I look for moments of joy and I want

1171
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 1: to laugh online I go to your page.

1172
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 2: That do you know? That is my what I want

1173
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 2: to offer to the world.

1174
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:38,480
Speaker 1: That's what you are offering.

1175
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 2: I want to be in the in the driveway of

1176
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 2: your long day.

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00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 3: Yep, before you go in your house, I want you

1178
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 3: to go to my page and be like, let me

1179
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:48,319
Speaker 3: just see what Kep's talking about.

1180
00:55:48,320 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 2: And I want to have three or four options for

1181
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 2: you all the time. You can be like, that was fun.

1182
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: That was funny, and I just laughed and all the time.

1183
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: And I you said something about he made a comment

1184
00:55:57,080 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: about the eighty three points and you that Bay and

1185
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,400
Speaker 1: I just remember talking about it that day and Jamel

1186
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: mentioned it on the PIP when Bam had his little

1187
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 1: his little Yeah, because you can tell you because I'm

1188
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: a Kobe Bryant fan, the hero to shade his little

1189
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: eighty three Kobe Bryant fan has called the eighty three

1190
00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: little his a little tiny eighty three. He was like,

1191
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:21,879
Speaker 1: you said something about it, and you said people said

1192
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: that y'all done call me everything, butt of God. You

1193
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: told me I was out of shape. I didn't know

1194
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 1: what I was talking about. I was like, what is

1195
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: his shape have to do? And why or not he

1196
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: can congratulate there?

1197
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 2: He was trying to break the record, obviously.

1198
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 1: Clearly clear clear point is quite obvious.

1199
00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 2: Clearly he was trying to break.

1200
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:43,799
Speaker 1: Cob clearly clearly so.

1201
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,840
Speaker 2: But I got jumped on the internet for saying I

1202
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:47,720
Speaker 2: went to the doctor.

1203
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: Oh there you go again with your sick self. There

1204
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 1: you go again with diseases and whatnot. Don't nobody want

1205
00:56:56,040 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 1: to hear that? I was like, bro, just start me out,

1206
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: tell you we said Jamel, we were talking. Jamel and

1207
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: I on the pot talked about Drake's three albums. I

1208
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 1: you know, when you the problem with the clip, right,

1209
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: This is why I like what you do is because

1210
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,359
Speaker 1: it's not a clip from content. It's just like, here

1211
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: are my thoughts here, you go take them and leave them.

1212
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: But when you're giving out a clip, that's the content,

1213
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:16,040
Speaker 1: No one's gonna go and listen to.

1214
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 2: Interview doesn't exist.

1215
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: It doesn't. It's not a is the thought?

1216
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 2: That's it?

1217
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 3: No content there? Then you wasn't said even is said

1218
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 3: in there. They might not have got to the end

1219
00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 3: of the video. People will argue with you. It's something

1220
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,080
Speaker 3: you actually said in the video. If it was that

1221
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 3: minute three thirty, I'm.

1222
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 1: Gonna kick you because I'm mad. Yes, that's how I feel.

1223
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 2: Happened every day.

1224
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,000
Speaker 1: That's so you don't know nothing about Drake. Drake don't

1225
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 1: make music for you, ugly old ladies. What he don't

1226
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: he's forty, I ain't a hundred who he make music for.

1227
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: Then ugly girls don't understand.

1228
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 3: Drake, and you're like, your internet actually might be the

1229
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 3: funniest the way you snap until all say the same thing,

1230
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 3: I mean, the same voice, different things, yo.

1231
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: But when they were like, Drake don't make music for

1232
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: ugly girls, I was like.

1233
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 2: What did I get ugly?

1234
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:15,840
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, I was right that.

1235
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 2: They don't make music for us.

1236
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: And so I was the whole point. The clip didn't

1237
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: put this in it, but our point was like, we

1238
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: really enjoyed Drake. He's one of our favorite artists in

1239
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 1: the sense that he always got a banger. I love everything,

1240
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 1: Like I could just put on Drake Essentials and be

1241
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: in the house cleaning up all that, like it's just

1242
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: a good time. That part didn't matter, And then all

1243
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: of a sudden, it was like this, you guys are

1244
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: plants from Kendrick Kendrick planet this and you're brother. I

1245
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: was like, you know who mentioned Kendrick more than anybody

1246
00:58:45,400 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: in the world.

1247
00:58:46,000 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 2: Drake fans.

1248
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not even talking about that.

1249
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 3: And we came from an era where you could watch

1250
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 3: jay Z and Na's battle and still be like, I'm

1251
00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:58,560
Speaker 3: jay Z fan.

1252
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 2: But I killed Yeah, the game is the game, and

1253
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 2: he took that and it's okay.

1254
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: And I listened to the next album, and I listened

1255
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: to next album and we moved on.

1256
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: And we moved on.

1257
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 3: When Drake to me obliterated Meek Mill, I was a

1258
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 3: fan of both.

1259
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 2: I was like, dang, Meek, he killed you, but RG

1260
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 2: up was good. Back to back was that was a headshot,

1261
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: but meet you. I still I still love you. Drake

1262
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,960
Speaker 2: won that one, but then he lost this one.

1263
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: That's okay, and we can't just move on one thousand.

1264
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 2: He can still make a song I like.

1265
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: I think the issue is and the reason why it's

1266
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:42,040
Speaker 1: so personal is because what Kendrick did by suggesting he

1267
00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: was a pedophile really went to a whole other level

1268
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: him for real, like for real.

1269
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 2: Not like I don't like you. You're like a rotten person.

1270
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 1: So that's why it's so personal. That's why it's so

1271
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,479
Speaker 1: personal between the fans. And I get it, but you can't.

1272
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: It's not like we produced Kendrick album.

1273
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 2: We just said.

1274
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 3: I think there's some sort of like not to be

1275
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 3: funny sports fandom, like you attacked Drake, you attack me?

1276
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: Sure he ain't talking to me.

1277
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 2: And I think Drake Drake's family matters was.

1278
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 3: A great district. He just had the unfortunate. The way

1279
01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 3: the internet goes, Kendrick had something else in the chamber,

1280
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 3: and our desire for new and fresh.

1281
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 2: Overrides our desire for good.

1282
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Kendrick that was just a timing thing. But

1283
01:00:31,640 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 3: that was a great distrack music video. I was like, oh,

1284
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 3: this is And then Kendrick had a song right after that.

1285
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: He was I'm gonna tell you this story. I was

1286
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 1: hanging out with this athlete, athlete, athlete, friend of mine.

1287
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: This athlete and this athlete I was hanging out with

1288
01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: this he's a friend of mine, his basketball player. And

1289
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:57,560
Speaker 1: when all this was going down, he checks his phone

1290
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 1: and he was like, oh boy. He was like, this

1291
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be nice. He was like, I don't like

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Speaker 1: what's happening right now, because he's really good friends with Kendrick,

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Speaker 1: and he was like, I don't like what's happening right now.

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Speaker 1: This is about to be crazy. And he was like

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Speaker 1: Kendrick sauce his mind. He was like, this is this

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Speaker 1: next drop is going to be sick. Like he was

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Speaker 1: just talking about it. He was like this, He's like,

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Speaker 1: it's over and I didn't know. That's when the girl

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Speaker 1: on me coming out? What do you do? Ki?

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Speaker 2: His family music?

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Speaker 1: And it was to your point, he legitimately has for

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01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,960
Speaker 1: years felt away about this guy, and so we all

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Speaker 1: were able to experience it. So I see why his

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Speaker 1: fans takets so personal. The problem is is that they

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Speaker 1: got to stop bringing up Kendrick. They just got to

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Speaker 1: move on. We just gotta go. We just gotta we

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Speaker 1: gotta put it, We gotta put it behind us.

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Speaker 2: Well, the thing is, there's no next season in music.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean in sports? When my team loses

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01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:00,560
Speaker 3: the other team wins, there's a next season music, there's

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Speaker 3: no beginning of this new season. Like when the Seahawks

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Speaker 3: loss and Marshawn Lynch didn't get the ball, I had

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Speaker 3: to deal with that also, but the next season starts,

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Speaker 3: we get to move on music.

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Speaker 2: Kendrick. But he said this, it's been two years.

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Speaker 1: We've got to move on.

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Speaker 2: There's a new season.

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Speaker 3: Drake ain't even talking about him like that anymore, like

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Speaker 3: through a few shots. But he's not trying to reignite

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Speaker 3: the battle. He's three albums. They're not three Kendrick.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And I don't even know if Kendrick will

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Speaker 1: even maybe he'll acknowledge it, who knows when he But

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Speaker 1: we're not expecting Kendrick to do a drop we ignite

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Speaker 1: the battle. He's I if I the beauty of what

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Speaker 1: I think Kendrick did, this Pulitzer Prize winning artist is

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Speaker 1: probably going to it. I'm from l A. So you

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Speaker 1: don't wanna be extra sure, you don't wanna be extra

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Speaker 1: about it. I think that he's going to move on.

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Speaker 1: I don't even think that he needs to try to

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Speaker 1: top what he did. I think and he's just correct.

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Speaker 1: He already moved on, had a whole concert a tour.

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna he's not going to as.

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Speaker 2: Long as Drake doesn't engage him. I don't think he's

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Speaker 2: gonna lie.

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Speaker 1: Not just so it's no more fun anymore. It's reminded

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Speaker 1: me of the Biggie and the Tupac of it all.

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Speaker 1: I don't want nobody. I don't want to.

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Speaker 2: They're having they're having a great time.

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Speaker 1: They are having a good they're having a black I

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Speaker 1: love it. Yeah, okay, do.

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Speaker 2: Miami spend that a great summer? Anthem? I love her.

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Speaker 2: She just knows what she's doing and who she's catering to. Yes,

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Speaker 2: it's this.

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Speaker 3: Finger, Carrie. I saw the ram Barnard say that. No, nope, nope,

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Speaker 3: right in the middle. Why, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's middle middle.

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Speaker 1: Why is it it's middle middle? Why?

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Speaker 3: I think it means eight in sign language? You ate

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Speaker 3: that this is the number eight in sign language?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Is this what the kids are telling me on

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Speaker 1: the internet.

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Speaker 2: This is what Darraan Barnard said on the podcast with

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Speaker 2: Lex p Andrea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Clockett interesting.

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Speaker 2: Actually you ate Clockett is something totally different. Okay, So

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Speaker 2: I'm out of my depth here. I'm speaking on things

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01:03:54,600 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 2: once again. I just this finger and the music.

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Speaker 1: You you old lady and music. I'm mad for you.

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Speaker 3: Okay, ladies and gentlemen, this has been not my best

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Speaker 3: moment with Kevin on stage.

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Speaker 2: Carry Champion has been amazing having me.

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Speaker 3: You're welcome. Check her out on all of her podcasts.

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01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 3: Check her out on CNN, Yeah, check her out.

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01:04:15,960 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: Check me on my Heart Network and check me out

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Speaker 1: and the Black Effects check on and check me out.

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Speaker 2: God blessed you'll.

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Speaker 1: That's all period.

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Speaker 3: This has been a Unanimous Media original. Not My Best

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Speaker 3: Mama was produced by iHeart Podcasts and Unanimous Media. It

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Speaker 3: was hosted by me Kevin Fredericks, Executive produced by Stephen Curry,

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Speaker 3: Eric Payton and Charlotte Sumter Jet co executive producer Klena

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Speaker 3: Maria Cutney.

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Speaker 2: The executive producers of.

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Speaker 3: The iHeart Podcasts are Sean Titane and Jason English. This

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Speaker 3: series was produced by Peter Calter and Jabbari Davis, Co

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Speaker 3: producer Kurt Redmond. Special thanks to Stephen Curry and Will Pearson.

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Speaker 3: Not My Best Moment as a production of Unanimous Media

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Speaker 3: and iHeart Podcasts. For more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit

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Speaker 3: the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.