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Speaker 1: Welcome to a front office edition of The Giants Huddle Podcast,

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Speaker 1: Doing Remarkable Things, Lord morat CCNY dot cu win why

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Speaker 1: dot edu. Today we are joined by Giants General Manager

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Speaker 1: Joe Shane. Joe, going into day one of the draft,

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Speaker 1: what was some of your objectives and goals.

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Speaker 3: There's probably four or five players that you know, we

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Speaker 3: coveted that we thought that may be there as of

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Speaker 3: our pick, so you know, around pick sixteen, I think

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Speaker 3: it was the Commander's pick. That's kind of when we

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Speaker 3: knew the draft would start and there were still, you know,

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Speaker 3: quite a few players up there that you know, we

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Speaker 3: we liked and we're a little bit surprised that they

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Speaker 3: were still there. So we never really knew how the

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Speaker 3: draft was going to unfold. So we had multiple plans,

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Speaker 3: We had, you know, potential trade opportunities with other teams

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Speaker 3: in place, so it was really unknown, but we needed

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Speaker 3: to be prepared for every scenario that may present it

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Speaker 3: off and I felt like we were and it actually

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Speaker 3: turned out really well for us.

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Speaker 1: Did the top of the draft kind of fall the

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Speaker 1: way you expected?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the top of the draft fell.

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Speaker 3: Maybe the guys didn't go exactly to the teams we

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Speaker 3: probably our top ten to thirteen players we nailed in

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Speaker 3: terms of you know, hey, they're probably going to be

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Speaker 3: gone before we pick. And then you know again, once

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Speaker 3: we got into the Washington you know, Pittsburgh area, we said, okay, well,

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Speaker 3: this is where the draft really begins for us.

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Speaker 1: What goes into the decision to make a trade?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the decision that goes into making a trade.

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Speaker 3: You know, we have trade card charts that we use,

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Speaker 3: our analytics department puts together. So you look at the value,

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Speaker 3: you see if it makes sense, So you're going to

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Speaker 3: you know, win lose, is it even? And then at

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Speaker 3: the end of the day, if you lose a little bit,

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Speaker 3: you know, are you really winning because you're getting the

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Speaker 3: player you want? Or for me, sometimes I look at

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Speaker 3: the pick I'm giving up who do we like at

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Speaker 3: that part of our board, And you know, if that

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Speaker 3: it just makes sense. You know, I've I've been there before.

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Speaker 3: We're disappointed you don't get somebody you want, and the

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Speaker 3: opportunity to get players that you like, you feel much better.

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Speaker 2: You know, at the end of the day.

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Speaker 1: Deontay Banks, what made him the right choice?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Tay Banks was the right choice for us at

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Speaker 3: He's a four to three six guy that really fit

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Speaker 3: You know, he ended up being the fourth corner off

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Speaker 3: was actually an ideal fit for what we were looking

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Speaker 3: So when you have consensus winning the building on a

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a win win for everybody.

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Speaker 1: Day one is over. So now how does your focus shift.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, at the end of day one, you know you

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Speaker 1: John Michael schmidts what made him the right choice?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a tough one to sit on our

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Speaker 2: Again, we have a lot of confidence in bed.

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Speaker 3: Ben Brettison and John will come in and compete with

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Speaker 3: I think it was known that Center was a need.

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Speaker 3: So excited to get John and looking forward to getting in.

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Speaker 1: Here in round three, you're able to trade up and

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Speaker 1: get another player, you wanted in. Jalen Hyde.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jalen Hyatt's another guy that we had graded fairly

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Speaker 2: See if you know if we could give up our fourth.

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Speaker 2: When does it come into play that we would just

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Speaker 3: And uh, you know, Sean McVay had actually texted Dave's

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Speaker 3: He brings us you know some Heaighti's over six foot,

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Speaker 3: and you know that's something that we thought, well, maybe

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Speaker 1: You've talked about relationships around the league. How much does

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Speaker 1: this help in the draft.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very important for you know, not just myself

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Speaker 3: whether it's league meetings, combine owners meetings to you know,

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Speaker 3: and you never know when that that relationship is going

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Speaker 1: How important is day three to you?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Day three is very important.

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Speaker 1: Let's go back to Hyde for a second. You were

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Speaker 3: I did attend the Alabama Tennessee game. And it's funny

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Speaker 3: Hyatt's coming out party and you're like, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: So when you when you saw his.

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Speaker 2: You're like, Okay, who is this kid?

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Speaker 3: And the more research we did, we continued to follow him,

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Speaker 3: and he continued to elevate his game each opportunity was given.

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Speaker 2: So that was my first exposure to him. Again, he

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Speaker 3: That game obviously put him on the map, and then

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Speaker 3: you know, we continue to follow him and you know,

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Speaker 3: he continued to answer each question throughout the process and

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Speaker 3: the spring, and you know we're fortunate to have him.

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Speaker 1: Okay, if you can give me just one line on

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Speaker 1: Eric Gray.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Eric Gray is a quick, explosive, instinctive, three down

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Speaker 2: Excited to have.

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Speaker 1: Trey Hawkins the third.

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Speaker 2: Big, physical, long, fast Jordan Riley, big man with length, strength,

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Speaker 1: Javarius Owens, tall, long.

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Speaker 3: Fast, deep field safety that can come up and strike you,

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Speaker 3: but also can play in pass coverage.

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Speaker 1: How important is the communication between your entire staff during

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Speaker 1: the three day process.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the communication throughout draft weekend is very important between

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Speaker 3: the medical, the background, everything's air tight. A lot of

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Speaker 3: we would take in different scenarios. So the communication leading

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Speaker 3: it's equally as important just to make sure that everything

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Speaker 1: We saw coach Brian Dable. How does coordinators pop in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's important to have the coordinators on board when

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Speaker 3: you're drafting a drafting a player, and they they do

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Speaker 3: a phenomenal job. We give them an extensive list of

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Speaker 2: You know, they've got to do all the positions.

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Speaker 3: So we do like to bring them in if it's

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Speaker 3: you know, two players are on the same line on

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Speaker 3: maybe based on who we've drafted previously, maybe you know,

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Speaker 3: same conversation based on needs. So I'd like to bring

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Speaker 3: we're taking. They're you know, if they're motivated to coach guys,

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Speaker 3: there's always a better chance for success for the player

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Speaker 1: Can you talk about the hug between you and defensive

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Speaker 1: coordinator Wink Martindale after you took the Banks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when we came in we took Tay Banks.

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Speaker 3: He was he was obviously super excited, and you know

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Speaker 3: it's something for his defense that's very.

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Speaker 2: Important, you know, having two good corners.

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Speaker 3: So with Tay Banks and a Dory, I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: Tay Banks was one of his favorite players in the draft,

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Speaker 3: he was obviously very excited and my back's still a

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Speaker 3: little bit of sore from that bear hug he gave me.

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Speaker 1: This year, we saw that you facetimed the players during

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we FaceTime most of the players after we drafted him.

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Speaker 3: Just thought it was a nice personal touch. They could

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Speaker 3: FaceTime see everybody that was into in the draft room,

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Speaker 3: we could also go to them and you know a

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Speaker 3: lot of the players showed the camera are there, their

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Speaker 2: So it was really cool. It was a nice personal touch.

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Speaker 3: We enjoyed doing this year, getting to communicate with not

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Speaker 3: only the player, but their family and friends, and really

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Speaker 1: We thank Giants General manager Joe Shane for joining us

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Speaker 1: on this episode of the Front Office edition of the

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Speaker 1: Giants Huddle podcast. We'll see you next time. Everyday, Bodie