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Speaker 1: read you his bio. First, let me welcome retired Command

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Speaker 1: Airborne and the United States Army. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: Bar E. Womack, Retired Command Sergeant Major bar E. Womack

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Speaker 1: is the recipient of two Bronze Stars, one for valor

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Speaker 1: serving in positions of great responsibility throughout the period of

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Speaker 1: and six. His career is distinguished by exceptional meritorious service.

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Speaker 1: His evaluations list him as the standard by which others

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Speaker 1: Since retiring commands are a major, Wi has worked in

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Speaker 4: Thank you, hopefully you are. Is it still the way that?

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Speaker 1: Right, Like I sat here, I took care of everything

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Speaker 4: My mother would have to say yes.

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Speaker 3: So with that in mind, if I never told her,

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Speaker 1: So you confided in her said hey, mom, I want

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Speaker 3: I never said that I want to do this. I

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Speaker 4: And that's the way it was throughout my entire time.

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Speaker 1: Right. Joining the military, you should understand there's a chain

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Speaker 3: Rank matters, that's where have to follow that. And so

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Speaker 3: We know people don't respect the rank, but if they

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Speaker 3: I take the rank off. Then because I don't respect you,

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Speaker 1: and then also went after them with small arms fires?

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00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: Was he subdued and shot and killed? Do you want

435
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: to what happened? To tell us? Tell us about your book.

436
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 3: Books called Embedded Enemy The Inside of Threat, and there's

437
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 3: a caption we have met the enemy and it is

438
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 3: us which extends beyond the book and really in today's

439
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 3: world and and school shootings and all those types of things,

440
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 3: it's us, and frankly it's been us for quite a

441
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 3: long time. As much as the country is making efforts

442
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 3: now to keep potential future terrorists get rid of them,

443
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 3: which is the right thing to do, we still have

444
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 3: a very very bad internal problem of embedded enemy as well.

445
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 3: So March twenty second, two thousand and three, we have

446
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,159
Speaker 3: been on this camp for about twenty days called Camp Pennsylvania,

447
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 3: that's in Kuwait. This is our enemy's stage in base.

448
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,600
Speaker 3: We're putting the final touches on our orders at that

449
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 3: particular time. So this is a Saturday particular time we

450
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 3: are scheduled to across the border into our Raq. They're

451
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 3: coming Thursday's about five days away, and again, final touches

452
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 3: on the orders, get those things done, and really a big, uh,

453
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 3: you know, a big, big moment for us to have

454
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 3: finish completed all that and just ready to go after that.

455
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 3: So I'm not letting a guard down by any meetings,

456
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 3: but just to kind of relax a bit, like you.

457
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 4: Know, that's kind of o X leveled it right.

458
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,439
Speaker 1: So we had a.

459
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 4: Little small p X on on the post.

460
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 3: I went there to get me some little goodies because

461
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 3: we had a television our command tent where med a

462
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 3: commander and executive officer state and there's a TV there.

463
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 3: So I'm planning to watch golf. I figured out how

464
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 3: to get American golf. I'd watched it a couple of

465
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 3: nights before. And it's a Saturday round and make a

466
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 3: move day in golf and Tigers leading the field. And

467
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 3: you know, I'm a big Tiger Woods fan. So I'm

468
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 3: buying some snacks and everything. I'm gonna sit down there

469
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 3: at midnight. You start watching some some golf all night home, right.

470
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 3: I watched it on Thursday night, you know, during the

471
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 3: first round, second round, I fell asleep in a chair

472
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 3: in front of the TV there. And the third round, Okay,

473
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 3: I'm gonna stay because I'm gonna eat myself away.

474
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 4: And so.

475
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 3: Later on that day, our ammunition arise right about you know,

476
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 3: about seventeen hundred hours or sold local time there and

477
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:33,880
Speaker 3: in child time and all that. So our commander allows

478
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 3: the subording units, I say, get their animals, and you

479
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 3: guys make the decision about when you're going to distribute

480
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 3: that you can guard it all night and distribute during daylight,

481
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 3: or however you want to do it. You decide. So

482
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 3: my driver brings me some ammunition, some some nine millimeter

483
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 3: ammunition for my nine meal, and I have that on

484
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 3: my my table where I'm gonna be working from, and

485
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 3: my playing has my lowd ammo watch golf and do

486
00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 3: some bill pay Simon, right, yeah, playing for the night.

487
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 3: So twenty two hundred hours, the commander comes in, Hey,

488
00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 3: I'm hitting the sack. So this is the first time

489
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 3: in twenty days of being on this camp that he's

490
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 3: gone to bed that early, right, you know. So he

491
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 3: shuts it down, and I'm getting all prepared there to

492
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,479
Speaker 3: watch golf, golf on it comes on. I'm watching that.

493
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 3: And so that the flat the ender our tent was

494
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 3: kind of was to my right. I was sitting at

495
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,719
Speaker 3: a table. I'm right at the end of the table.

496
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 3: TV is about five feet in front of you or so,

497
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 3: and the ten flat kind of moved. I thought that

498
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 3: was a little well, it wasn't odd, I'm sorry, because

499
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 3: the wind would blow and that would happen. It would

500
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 3: just script up against the wind flour. Then it did

501
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 3: it a second time, and then I noticed this object

502
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 3: kind of to my right front at the floor, and

503
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 3: it's sparking. So I think that we're in the land

504
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 3: and not quite right, and that is a not quite

505
00:26:56,200 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 3: right grenade that's sparking before it explodes. And I've never

506
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 3: been that close to the grenade before it explodes, so

507
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,840
Speaker 3: I wasn't waiting around to figure out what happens. I

508
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 3: can tell you a story later because my pieces would

509
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 3: be spread all over the place. So I jump up,

510
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 3: run to the back of the tent to wake up

511
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 3: the commander because if this grenade is gonna go off, obviously,

512
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 3: you know I want him back there sleep. Our executive

513
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 3: officers in attend as well. He was on the other

514
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 3: side of the table, so he saw what I saw,

515
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 3: So I knew he could take care of himself in

516
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,720
Speaker 3: terms of you know, his next next move?

517
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, getting away like trying to find cover.

518
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 3: Right, But the command who's sleep that note?

519
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 1: What's going on in your tent? This you saw this?

520
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 1: This is fragged into your tent, correct.

521
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I get him up and say, hey, there's

522
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 3: a grenade about to go off up front. We're gonna

523
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,919
Speaker 3: run out here in the count Oh yeah. So that

524
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 3: gave enough time to get his boots on and then

525
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 3: that was it. So I counted three USD start running

526
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 3: down the middle of the aisle. So as we start

527
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,720
Speaker 3: running down down the aisle is when a fragranade comes

528
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 3: in and the fragrnade blows him back into the area

529
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 3: of where he was sleeping. So the EXO by that

530
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: time had made it so so kind of vision. I

531
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 3: don't want to go to feet, but you kind of

532
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 3: have a front. I'm at the front. The exo is

533
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 3: actually in front of me already, but you can't see

534
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 3: like where I was operating from and low Nanmo and

535
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 3: all that. There's a huge flutescing light, plenty of light.

536
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 3: By the time I went to the back of the

537
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 3: tent to get him up, it's pitch black dark. I

538
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 3: can't see anything. So when I'm back there, I kind

539
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 3: of line myself in the middle aisle because I know

540
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 3: where that is, and to position the commander there because

541
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 3: he's just waking up, like come over here, run straight,

542
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 3: you know, right beside me, right, let's go.

543
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, was in back, so he's back that way.

544
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 3: I'm kind of forward the middle, and then the XO

545
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 3: is already in what's called the vestibule area of this tent.

546
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 3: So I get outside and I noticed the Commander's not

547
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 3: not there.

548
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 4: I'm calling for him.

549
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 3: Kind of hushed tones because the enemy's here, right, so

550
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 3: I don't want to power out out and you know,

551
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: spotlight myself. So it's kind of hushed tones. And then

552
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 3: I hear a gunshot and I know that it's the

553
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 3: XO being shot. I'm pretty sure of that, and I

554
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 3: pull pull out my pistol cock it the chamber around,

555
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 3: and it doesn't chamber around. Remember, all my AMMO is

556
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 3: on the table. I'm loading magazine, but I still had

557
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 3: my weapon and the hoster magazine in there, you know,

558
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 3: to keep the dust out. So I hadn't gotten in

559
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 3: that one yet. So when I cock it, instead of going,

560
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 3: it just.

561
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: Goes walks back.

562
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: All right, So I'm I'm screwed. I've always told you

563
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: don't bring nothing to a gunfight. It's bad enough to

564
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: bring a knight to a gunfight, but nothing to a

565
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 3: gunfight is even worse. So the talk is behind me

566
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: about yeah, fifteen meters. I guess I run to the

567
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 3: talk to get a weapon and ammunition and nods because

568
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 3: you can't see. So I'm running in a hall for that.

569
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 3: People are scaring to get that. In that time, a

570
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 3: grenade is thrown into the another tent, and then a

571
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 3: grenada is thrown to another tent, and shortly after someone

572
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 3: else's shot, and just that quick amount of time, I

573
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 3: get that AMO and everything and come back out go

574
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 3: to my tent looking for the commander and executive alcor

575
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 3: and they're not there. And at the same time I'm

576
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 3: trying to I'm looking for insurgents.

577
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 4: Right, get this, where are they?

578
00:30:59,240 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 3: I'm armed?

579
00:30:59,720 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: Now?

580
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 3: Ready, Yeah, there's nothing. You don't hear nothing. It's pitch black.

581
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 3: There was a light set that was there, but the

582
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: light set had been turned off, so you can't see anything.

583
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 4: I tell people this how dark it was.

584
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 3: You take close your eyes, put one hundred miles now

585
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 3: tape around it about ten times, right, and that's how

586
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: dark it was. Even with the knives, like you need

587
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: a sliver of a star. I couldn't see anything. Yeah,

588
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 3: I mean I went out with those things and I

589
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 3: probably walked, you know, twenty five feet and like this

590
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 3: is no good.

591
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: It is nobody, no nothing to give you any ambient

592
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: and right, so I'm looking.

593
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 3: I'm looking for them, and I'm also searching for the enemy.

594
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 3: And then I go back to the talk and say, well,

595
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 3: I can't do both, So I'm gonna send someone to

596
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 3: look for those two. Why I just look for the enemy.

597
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 3: Then when I come out the second time, now there's

598
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 3: someone else out, at least one person, because they challenged me,

599
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: like who's there? And do that that trying to challeng

600
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 3: and stay, well, it's first, it's halt at anytime, you

601
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 3: know that's happened to someone's pointing the weapon.

602
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 1: That's yes.

603
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: So I recognized the voice. This guy in served within

604
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 3: the previous unit, and of course i'd say who I am,

605
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,479
Speaker 3: and he says, well, so I'm maye what's going on?

606
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: I said, I don't know. I said, measure Romaine has

607
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: been shot. Then he says, Captain, Seeper's been shot. So

608
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 3: then starts our whole, our whole triage of casualties in

609
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 3: the second tent. Now keep in mind it was there

610
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: was a gunshot or grenade in the gunshot in the

611
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: first tent. So the second tin had heard that that

612
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: people in the second tent, so they started getting up.

613
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: So grenade explodes at a fifteen degree radius. So if

614
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: you're below the fifteen degrees, you might want to be fourteen.

615
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: Then you're good. Now if you measure that degrees that

616
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 3: it's pretty darn low.

617
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: So you have to be flat, you have to be completed,

618
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: like even like lower. You have to be so low yeah, yeah.

619
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, And be honest with you, I think if you're

620
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: laying on the floor, still not low enough. Because one

621
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 3: guy got shrappened on the feet and he was laying

622
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 3: down at the time, so you got to be below

623
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: like the length of your feet and he I mean,

624
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 3: he didn't wear fifteen.

625
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 5: So anyway, other guys that started started to get up

626
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 5: and they caught a lot of a lot of shrapnel

627
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 5: in the upper torso as a result, the grenade just

628
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 5: like landing like right, you know, five feet in front

629
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 5: of him, and because they were standing up, caught a

630
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 5: lot of it.

631
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: Intent too, as well as other casuals in Tent three

632
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 3: and what he did in Tent two, what happened in

633
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 3: Tent two. The grenade was rolled in and said we're

634
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 3: under attack. Same thing with intent three. So there were

635
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 3: more severe casualties than ten three. So with two thousand

636
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 3: of casualties, were looking for the insurgeons at the same time,

637
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 3: but having no sign of insurgents at all, like nothing.

638
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 3: So I'd go to the talk and say something changed

639
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 3: in its camp. Something had to have changed. You've been

640
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 3: for twenty days. I'd gone out to the guard towers

641
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 3: to check on the guards. They were doing the right

642
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 3: thing either they fell asleep and insurgeons climbed over a

643
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: twelve foot slanted berm to get into the camp. That's

644
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 3: the only way it could have happened. And someone says, well,

645
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 3: interpreters came in last night. Damn, it has to be

646
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 3: themn go find them. So the search is only for

647
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 3: the interpreters. While we're still looking for the insurgents and

648
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 3: find the interpreters to interrogate them, just to learn that

649
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 3: they know nothing, have nothing to do with it. So

650
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 3: now we're back to looking for the insurgents. And I

651
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: say at that time, if they can come in here,

652
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 3: create all this devastation and leave no sign of them

653
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 3: being here, we're going to get annihilated when we cross

654
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: that board. We are totally underestimated. Uh, they're their fighting power,

655
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 3: fighting strength.

656
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 1: And capabilities and like their and their tenacity like to

657
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: do something so like peace out, like that's us. Were

658
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: those guys.

659
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 3: Nothing about their special operators and being specal right like

660
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 3: they are elite? Elite? Yeah here and do this right.

661
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 3: The commander was concussed from the grenade. He ended up

662
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 3: being wounded with uh two pieces of trapnel in his arm,

663
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 3: you know, but bled like a pig. That's what trapnel does.

664
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just you know, razor blades flying around

665
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 3: on steroids is what tratine is at the end of

666
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 3: the day. So he says, we need to get accountability

667
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 3: of personnel. So you make a radio call that to

668
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 3: get accountability, and learn that a guy named Sergeant Hassan

669
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 3: ak bars missing, so are grenades ammunition. And that's when

670
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,280
Speaker 3: he become he became a suspect.

671
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 4: So we hear all that.

672
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 3: In the talk. Now myself in the intelligence officer, Major Romain,

673
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 3: he had been going around all night checking bunkers, make

674
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 3: sure people are doing the right thing, walking around with

675
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 3: his pistol in his hand. So after we learned that,

676
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 3: you come out and talk to be able to tell

677
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 3: our leaders, look what we're looking for. Sacan to transfer

678
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 3: that message down to the borning leaders. And then he

679
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 3: notices this one bunker just kind of straight out of

680
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 3: the talk to the right that he had not gone to.

681
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: So he decides, let me go over here and check

682
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 3: this bunker out, just do the same thing he had

683
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 3: done all night, calm people down, et cetera. So he

684
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: walks over to that bunker and says, who we have

685
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: in this bunker. That's what they've done every night and

686
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 3: all night was try to identify who's in the bunker.

687
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: So we hear the person says, sar Knockbar. The dock

688
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,280
Speaker 3: Bar didn't know we're looking for him, so he calmly

689
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 3: hosts this pistol so he doesn't appear to be a

690
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: threat to dog Bar, and then walks closer to the bunker,

691
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,640
Speaker 3: just gets behind him and takes og Bar down because

692
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 3: dog Bar doesn't never're looking for him, right, So that's

693
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: how he becomes apprehended. He's flex cuffed. Someone asked if

694
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 3: he did it or whatever, and as he gets ready

695
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 3: to answer to tell me to shut up. So we

696
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 3: didn't get an astra out of him right then and there,

697
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 3: I get his weapon and smell it to see if

698
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 3: it has been recently fired, and it had. Now I'm

699
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 3: walking around, I have on like a fleece jacket and

700
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 3: the fleece hat. That's all I have.

701
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:50,759
Speaker 4: So once he's apprehended, I go back to get my.

702
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 3: Gear so I have my gear on now and ammo

703
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 3: this time, and I go back and get that weapon.

704
00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: And when I went to get my gear, I noticed

705
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 3: that there was a piece of expended brass at our tent.

706
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 3: So by now the light set is on and I

707
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,319
Speaker 3: saw that brass. So I took that weapon and put

708
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: it by the brass, because I knew if this weapon,

709
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,680
Speaker 3: which smelt like it was fired and the round came

710
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 3: from this weapon, then this thing called a dodic, those

711
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 3: numbers would match. So when I took his weapon, all

712
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 3: I did was put it on safe. I didn't clear

713
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 3: it because I didn't I want that round when everything

714
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:32,959
Speaker 3: stayed like it was termed, that round already being there

715
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: and the magazine is still in the weapon, because all

716
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 3: those numbers are going to match this shelcationess on the

717
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 3: ground if it was fired from this weapon and this

718
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 3: lot of AMMO. So I put a guard there, which

719
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 3: ended up being there for like two miles. He said,

720
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: said you.

721
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 4: Only I can relieve you.

722
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 3: Yes, you know, I picked a trustworthy person or whatever

723
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 3: and put him there and said only I can't relieve you.

724
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 4: So again he's apprehended.

725
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 3: Kind of move them off away from everybody else, I'll

726
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 3: tell you before that when I went to get my gear,

727
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 3: I could see this complete devastation in my tent, and

728
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: where I slept was all blown to pieces. So had

729
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 3: I not been watching Tiger Woods play golf, then I

730
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 3: wouldn't be talking to you right now. My whole air

731
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 3: was blown up, went to sleeping bags, a sleeping bag

732
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 3: cover called a Bavy sack, and that was full of

733
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 3: shrapnel holes. More important that he's strapping the holes at

734
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 3: the head and I would sleep with my skull kept

735
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 3: on push my hand up at the top to keep

736
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 3: it warm because I don't have any hair. All that

737
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 3: was full of strapnel and along the side as well.

738
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 3: My whole air was like caved in from the explosion

739
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,400
Speaker 3: of the grenade. Of where I slept. There was a

740
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 3: walllocker that there was that I had that someone found

741
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 3: out in the middle of the desert someplace and brought

742
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 3: it back to me, and so I had that in

743
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 3: my space. That walllocker actually saved the executive officers from

744
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 3: being hit with shrapnel. Although he ended up getting shot,

745
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,359
Speaker 3: he would have got plastered with shrapnel because he had

746
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 3: moved into an area of the tent adjacent to where

747
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 3: the walllocker was but the walllocker took the blast of

748
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 3: of the the blunt of the blow from the grenade,

749
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 3: and what didn't hit the walllocker went into the lower

750
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 3: area where.

751
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 4: I slept, so we moved him off.

752
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 3: He's moved off to the side, and then he's asked again,

753
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 3: you know, if he did this or why he did this,

754
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:50,720
Speaker 3: and he says, to keep y'all from killing our women

755
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 3: and raping our children. And at the time, I'm thinking,

756
00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,359
Speaker 3: who the hell is our It didn't resonate. His name

757
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 3: is a sanakboy. All that stuff didn't resonate to me.

758
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: You're in the art, you know, like we're talking about before,

759
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 3: It says us Army. Right here, you took the same

760
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 3: old I took. So the whole hour was not resonating

761
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 3: with me. So immediately to take away from that immediately

762
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 3: was you know, we don't go home with people at

763
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 3: night number one. So I don't know what they're doing,

764
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 3: what they're planning, where the illeology falls. They put on

765
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 3: the uniform and come to work, it says army. So

766
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 3: we think that they're living those values through and through,

767
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 3: but yeah, not the case CID comes and they they

768
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 3: take them away, they do start their investigation and everything.

769
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 3: And then I learned because at the time I don't know.

770
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 3: I told you what happened at the time in the

771
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 3: tent when that first grenade comes in and sender grenadia

772
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:06,240
Speaker 3: starts fires. That's why it was sparking before it emitted

773
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 3: the flame. But then the frag grenade came in. So

774
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 3: had it reversed those and through the fag first, there

775
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:18,479
Speaker 3: would not have been any sparks and bart Womack would

776
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 3: have been splattered all over the.

777
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 1: Tent, right, But so he just didn't have the right

778
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: grenade tossed in. He just had the wrong bro Yeah.

779
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, so and that is this.

780
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 4: He he.

781
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,480
Speaker 3: Was on guard, remember that EMO just came in that

782
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 3: subordinate unity decided they would guard their ammunition and issue

783
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 3: it the next day during daylight.

784
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,800
Speaker 4: So he volunteered for guard at the end of his shift.

785
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 3: Near the end of his shift, thirty minutes or so,

786
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 3: he told the private that was on guard with him,

787
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 3: because he's a sergeant, Hey, you just go to go,

788
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 3: can go to sleep. I'll hold it down until the

789
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:06,720
Speaker 3: next until we're relieved, So you just go to sleep.

790
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 3: That gave him his opportunity to start opening up the

791
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: AMMO to get five five six and get grenades. So

792
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 3: he took his protective mask out of protective mask carrier,

793
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 3: ditch that and put the grenades inside his protective mask.

794
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 3: So point to what you made is he grabbed he

795
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: had two incentary grenades and just grabbed a handful of fragranades.

796
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 3: So once we apprehended him, there were still two fragrannades

797
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 3: in the protective mask carrier as well as uh in

798
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 3: the centinary grenade. So he threw it in sentinary first

799
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,799
Speaker 3: and realized all heck, I didn't mean to do that.

800
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 3: He didn't throw in his scendary the rest of the night, right,

801
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 3: But you thank God that he that he didn't throw

802
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 3: it first, because I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you.

803
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: No, Because you're sitting here watching your TV at five

804
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,240
Speaker 1: feet away. The flap is right here next to you. You.

805
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: You're at your table, you're just like doing your normal

806
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:06,839
Speaker 1: routine and in a fleece chilling, and you see this thing.

807
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: Just what you're like, that's not right, and then you

808
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: knew right away. That's when you were able to alert

809
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: is because that.

810
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I mean, I was you're talking about spring.

811
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 3: But now I saw those sparks and I was gone, yeah, yeah,

812
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 3: I mean I know you knew what it was. Yeah yeah, Well,

813
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 3: like I said, I knew it was some type of grenade.

814
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: Correct, we were, We were in.

815
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 3: The land of not quite right. That that was my determination,

816
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 3: And that's a not quite right grenade that for some

817
00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 3: reason is sparking before this blow that wasn't gonna get

818
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 3: them and goes, oh, it says in sendinary, Oh, I'm good,

819
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 3: it's only going to start a fire over there. It's

820
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 3: not going it's not a torch. It is a torch

821
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: right where it is. But it didn't, you know, So yeah,

822
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 3: had it reversed them, I wouldn't be sitting here. I know.

823
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 3: I said that three times, but yeah, all the time.

824
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: For me, God had a different plan for me. Everyone

825
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 3: who I was the first one out of the tent.

826
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,560
Speaker 3: Everyone else who came near to coming out of a

827
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: tent was shot. He just wasn't ready when I came out,

828
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 3: because I when I came out.

829
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 4: I probably and I was.

830
00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 3: I was running, but I only ran past the tent exit,

831
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 3: maybe an additional forty feet or so, and turned around.

832
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:27,840
Speaker 3: And that's when that that's when the gunshot happened and

833
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 3: when he shot the XO. So the EXO was kind

834
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 3: of it was in the vestibule, but he was his

835
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 3: arms were extending beyond it, and he was shot in

836
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: the hand, went through the other hand and went through

837
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 3: his leg. So likely had he not been extending beyond

838
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 3: the tents vestibule and maybe back here, then it wouldn't

839
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 3: have been visible to be shot.

840
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: So that was that didn't take his life, though, that

841
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 1: shit just wounded him. Unfortunately. This is dude. He was.

842
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 4: He was the key planner in terms of uh, he's

843
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 4: the key planner.

844
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 3: And it's messed me for our movement of our ground

845
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: AsSalt convoy. He was very, very strategic to that as

846
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 3: well as the headquarters headquarters company, brigade commander, not the

847
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 3: brigade commander, but the HAC, the company, not the brigade.

848
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,799
Speaker 4: He was severely wounded in his tent.

849
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 3: He was in the third tenth, so exposed the first ten,

850
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 3: suposed the second temp. By the third tenth. Not only

851
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 3: were they up, but they had been moving coming out

852
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 3: of the tent already. He would have been one of

853
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 3: the first ones out. Excuse me, but when he got

854
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 3: to the tent exit. He realized if he got his

855
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 3: m had to go back to get it, which was

856
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 3: all in the back of the tent.

857
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 4: Once he got it and came started.

858
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 3: Coming out of the tent, the grenade had been rolled

859
00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 3: in and it blew up. He was seventeen inches away

860
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 3: from the grenade. Yeah, command, yeah, man.

861
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. So once the other tents started hearing any kind

862
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: of commotion and just like anything, they're like they spring

863
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: into action, like you sprung into action. So now uh

864
00:47:19,480 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: Acbar has to like disappear into the bunker. So he's not,

865
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: you know, noticed, because you guys are like, where's the enemy.

866
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: It's pitch black. No one knows it's him. So he's

867
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 1: trying to like so he's caused all this commotion and

868
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: all this anguish and amongst his own friendly fired. Friendly

869
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: fire is not friendly.

870
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 3: Right I I I swear to this day that you know,

871
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 3: as people began to come out of tents, we have there,

872
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 3: we have the uh you know, the triogic casualties going on.

873
00:47:55,600 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 3: Everything everything is working and everything, although we still have

874
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 3: no sign of the enemy still getting people that were

875
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 3: coming out of the chance in the position to defend

876
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 3: our area. Keep in mind as to defend our little area,

877
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 3: or they call them pads where the headquarters is about

878
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty people. As we defend our little

879
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 3: area and point our weapons out, they're pointing against the

880
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 3: other the rest of the five thousand person team. This

881
00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 3: on this camp, right, which we think somewhere there is

882
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 3: going to be these insurgents. Right, We're just set up

883
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 3: a perimeter to defend our area. So as people coming out,

884
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,439
Speaker 3: I'm moving into certain parts. Go over there and go there.

885
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 3: You know, there was a there were some barriers all

886
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 3: around and kind of had this natural circle. So I'm

887
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 3: putting them all along those barriers, and I swear that

888
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 3: he that he passed me. Because there's people were coming,

889
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 3: I'm telling them where to go. I swear he passed me.

890
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 3: You know, it's dark, so you can't really get a

891
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 3: good visual. And I went trying to look at faces

892
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 3: and say, jone's over here. You know Smith over there,

893
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,240
Speaker 3: whims over here with just another person. But I swear

894
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:09,319
Speaker 3: that that he that he he was one of the

895
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 3: people that passed me. And I told him where to go,

896
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,479
Speaker 3: you know, on on the on the perimeter of which

897
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 3: he went. But then later you know, got in, got

898
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 3: into that bunker with with fellow soldiers, so you're just

899
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 3: blended in with everybody else. Yeah, let's say what you

900
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 3: have on that was our uniform? Then yeah, everybody was

901
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 3: the same thing, everybodys wing the same thing.

902
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: And you're not thinking. You're just like, hey, get on

903
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: the sixty, Hey, go take care of this. Hey turn

904
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: your lights on, like hey, put your nods down. Hey,

905
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: you know. And then wait a second though, as you're

906
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: telling him and he's like, yeah, I got you, ce S,

907
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: I got you. You know, You're like, you didn't say nothing,

908
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:48,839
Speaker 1: like no one said.

909
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 3: It wasn't that time for anybody to say anything. It

910
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 3: was just like, go, you know, it's not it's not debatable.

911
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 1: Go yes, over there, over here, to your to your positions, right,

912
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 1: show must go on, Let's go. It's like I can

913
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: only uh, just hear what you're saying and just you know,

914
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 1: take it in, like you just see this, dude, and

915
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: because you've you've recollected everything in your mind.

916
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 3: So think think about this as a as a an

917
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 3: attacker where he was guarding the AMMO for his unit

918
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 3: or one of my some born in units was a battalion.

919
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:35,280
Speaker 3: They had eight hundred plus people. If you just wanted

920
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 3: to kill, you could have loaded up all that AMO,

921
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:45,000
Speaker 3: several magazines and all those things, and twenty five feet

922
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 3: from him killed one hundred people easily in a fast tent.

923
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 3: That would over one hundred people walking there. It's one

924
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 3: o'clock in the morning. Put your weapon on blast, everybody's asleep,

925
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 3: and just have that and grenades as well. Oh yeah,

926
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 3: but he didn't do that. No, That location for that

927
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 3: unit was about three hundred meters from the headquarters. This

928
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,400
Speaker 3: is a huge camp. Just think ten football fields of

929
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 3: how big it is. And that's probably not even it's

930
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 3: probably bigger than that. Five thousand people there. He walked

931
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 3: across the desert for three hundred meters to attack the headquarters. Yes, people,

932
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 3: he didn't even he knew the commander was and the

933
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 3: command star major was.

934
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 4: That's probably about it in terms of names of people.

935
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 1: That train of command like this is of command, right right,

936
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:41,839
Speaker 1: That's what I was gonna ask you. Did you even

937
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: know this guy?

938
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 3: Yeah? Not, No, I didn't. A few people did in

939
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 3: the headquarters, but I really didn't know. But his mindset

940
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 3: was take out the head and body will follow, and

941
00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 3: and it worked. He took out the head. And then

942
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,399
Speaker 3: the next day and the aftermath, well, I actually say

943
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 3: later that day and the aftermath, the c ID was

944
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 3: doing their investigation. They made us take all the items

945
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 3: out of the tents and everything. So you can imagine

946
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 3: soldiers having to go in there because the people who

947
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 3: lived in the tents, no, that was only one capable

948
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 3: in my tendon build to drag off stuff out. Because

949
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 3: two people were injured. It was even worse than beside me,

950
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 3: and even worse in the tent beside that. So now

951
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 3: those people can't justipate and help carrying anything out as

952
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 3: other people. Right, So think about those other people that

953
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,239
Speaker 3: go in there and see all that blood. So we

954
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 3: clear everything out so they can do their investigation. And

955
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 3: then people were, you know, my soldiers were just sitting along.

956
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 3: They had these huge Texas bears and they had this

957
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 3: little kind of concrete bench attached to them. So people

958
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 3: were just sitting along there, and they were they were devastating,

959
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:59,080
Speaker 3: you know, grieving and everything of which they're expected to do. Sure,

960
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 3: and I just said, everybody, get up, get up, get

961
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 3: the hell out of here. I know you're grieving and

962
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,760
Speaker 3: all that. I know. It's bad but you're not gonna

963
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 3: be able to do that thing you're doing right now here.

964
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 3: Get out here, go do it someplace else, because, like

965
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 3: I said, take out the head, the body will follow.

966
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 3: It worked the body, which is all the soldiers. They

967
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 3: were devastated, and I'm thinking, wait a minute, the war

968
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 3: hadn't started yet, right that we can't fight This unit

969
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 3: is not capable of fighting the war right now. They're

970
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 3: a combat ineffector mentally and physically combat ineffective. So I

971
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,399
Speaker 3: made him get the heck out of there, go work

972
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,359
Speaker 3: on it, Go grieve over there, and get it over

973
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 3: with because we still got a war to fight, that's right.

974
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 3: So by this time, in the day of March twenty third,

975
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 3: in two thousand and three, as a as a Armed

976
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:09,799
Speaker 3: Forces Coalition force, the ground attack had been gone. The

977
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 3: Jessica Lynch Convoy had been commandeer. Now we have prisoners

978
00:54:13,800 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 3: of war, we have ground troops in firefights while we're

979
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 3: trying to pick up the pieces from this. This is

980
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 3: already happening. So that's why you're just learning about this story.

981
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 3: You may have heard, well, this thing happened in two

982
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 3: thousand year. I remember hearing about that, but you didn't

983
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:33,560
Speaker 3: know about it because it happened. CBS News was embedded

984
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 3: media with us, so it appeared on the Sunday Morning

985
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 3: Show in a two minute segment and then they went

986
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 3: on to other news about the war. And then you

987
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 3: had to follow stuff on internet blogs after that to

988
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 3: keep up with.

989
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: This attack rather so much happening, and so it just

990
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: became war.

991
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:58,760
Speaker 4: This got became war, just got buried. This happened.

992
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 3: Investigations and have a stay tuned later or whatever. So

993
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,479
Speaker 3: if you didn't know that it happened, then you didn't

994
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:07,800
Speaker 3: even know the follow the internet blogs to get updates

995
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 3: on anything, right, So and then you got you know,

996
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:14,160
Speaker 3: you got you got the war happening. So it was buried.

997
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 3: So that was another reason to write the book, because

998
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,479
Speaker 3: I wanted the world to know. I wanted the world

999
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,600
Speaker 3: to know that this happened to these people number one.

1000
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 3: Number two, that someone leveraged their ideology to infiltrate the

1001
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 3: United States Army to commit it an attack. And and

1002
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 3: here's why I say that, And and because that's exactly

1003
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 3: what it was. So unbeknownst to us. It wasn't just

1004
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 3: that this attack happened. You know, we learned during the

1005
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 3: trial that he had planned for this hm. In his diary,

1006
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,719
Speaker 3: he had written, I'm going to pull this up and

1007
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 3: give me a second, and they would like to mess

1008
00:55:56,680 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 3: up a quote.

1009
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: It's incredible, I mean, just you.

1010
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:14,560
Speaker 4: Know, yeah, so quote I quote here.

1011
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety three, he wrote, I do not like the military.

1012
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 3: They have too much control over people's lives. I suppose

1013
00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 3: I am just anti government, and Muslim should see himself

1014
00:56:26,280 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 3: as a Muslim only his loyalty should be to Islam only.

1015
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety six. Anyone who stands in front of me

1016
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 3: shall be considered the enemy and dealt with accordingly. Nineteen

1017
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:46,000
Speaker 3: ninety six. Destroying America was my plan as a child,

1018
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 3: and as a juvenile and in college. My life will

1019
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 3: not be complete unless America is destroyed. Destroying America is

1020
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 3: my greatest goal. He joins the army in nineteen ninety eight,

1021
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:06,200
Speaker 3: after nine years, I think at the University at cal

1022
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 3: graduating with an engineering degree in nineteen ninety seven. In

1023
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 3: February two thousand and three, so a month before this attack,

1024
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 3: you guys are coming into our countries and you're going

1025
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 3: to rape our women and kill our children. I am

1026
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 3: not going to do anything as long as I stay here.

1027
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 3: This is that for Campbell. But as soon as I

1028
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 3: am in Iraq, I'm going to try to kill as

1029
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 3: many of them as possible. So there you go again

1030
00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 3: unbeknownst to us, you know, premeditated for a long time

1031
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 3: almost what so six one, seven years prior.

1032
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so this dude was how old do you

1033
00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: think this person was? No, he was thirty two, thirty two,

1034
00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: so seven years prior, he was twenty five, Yeah, and

1035
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: already what we would call, you know, just radicalized, you know,

1036
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 1: and so man dude so like.

1037
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 3: But radicalized likely ten years well, ninety.

1038
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: Three they had the Twin Towers were the bombed, right,

1039
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: the Twin Towers got bombed, and then.

1040
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 3: The anti government comm is that twenty six is just

1041
00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 3: you know, his ideology wasn't.

1042
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: And there was also like another Towers attack in the

1043
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: ninety six time.

1044
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 4: I think I think something did happen at the World Trade.

1045
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 1: Center, Yeah, and it just didn't do enough. Remember, like

1046
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 1: there was a couple of bombings at the Trade Center

1047
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: until the aircraft.

1048
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 3: Correct that was prior.

1049
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he just seems to be kind of chirping

1050
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: off as soon as those types of things happened. He's like, oh,

1051
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 1: this affects me, I agree, or this affects me I'm

1052
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: going to now write this today, you know. Huh So,

1053
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: now is he in Levenworth.

1054
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 3: Eleven work on depth row, on death row. So his

1055
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 3: his charges were two counts of premeditated murder and three

1056
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 3: counts of attemptive premeditative murder. So they counted the attack

1057
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 3: in my tent is attemptive premeditated.

1058
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:20,080
Speaker 1: Bruh, it was premeditated. Yeah, oh yeah.

1059
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 3: I mean yeah, I mean definitely premeditated. But from a

1060
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 3: from an overall national security standpoint and a counter terrorism standpoint,

1061
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 3: he's a terrorist.

1062
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 4: Now the government has not sec that.

1063
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 3: No, no one has deemed this attack a terrorist attack.

1064
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 3: I'm probably the only one that will lead with the

1065
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 3: fact that it's a terrorist attack, because how is it

1066
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:47,919
Speaker 3: not a terrorist attack?

1067
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:48,360
Speaker 1: How is it?

1068
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 3: Had Osama bin Laden even if he wasn't knowing who

1069
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 3: he was, if he said, is might go destroy America?

1070
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 3: Now it's a terrorist attack. So that's a deal the country.

1071
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 3: Even though the war, the ground forces, all that stuff

1072
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 3: happened that particular day, the government, the army, the armed forces,

1073
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:18,400
Speaker 3: was not ready to do anything about this anyway, to

1074
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 3: the point where they still haven't done anything about it,

1075
01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 3: So there weren't They wouldn't. They weren't ready to say

1076
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 3: anything good, bad, right, or wrong anyway. But him being

1077
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,960
Speaker 3: a terrorist was solidified by the comments in his diary.

1078
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 4: If anyone else.

1079
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,000
Speaker 3: Says something like that, and they're aligned with the Foreign

1080
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:45,720
Speaker 3: Terist organization, then now it's legitimate. Now they're terrorists. You

1081
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 3: don't have to be a part of a foreign terist organization.

1082
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 3: But because he was so far ahead of his time

1083
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 3: as a lone actor, yep, you don't have to be

1084
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 3: You don't have to be a part of nothing. I

1085
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 3: can go do whatever in the name of whatever and

1086
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 3: never talk to them because I'm aligned with their ideology. Right.

1087
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:07,640
Speaker 3: But although ideology was in a dictionary, no one talked about.

1088
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 6: An alignment of ideology had to come from like a

1089
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 6: boot camp.

1090
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, even the guys who phoned up.

1091
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 3: Unless you were directly aligned with the Foreign Terist Organization

1092
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:23,760
Speaker 3: or any organization like that, then all of a sudden, okay,

1093
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 3: it's that ideology, you believe in that and your racalize.

1094
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 3: You barely heard the word racalize alone extremists, and you

1095
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 3: definitely hear a lot about ideology. So He was a

1096
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 3: lone actor so far ahead of his time that the

1097
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,959
Speaker 3: government didn't even understand. It couldn't fathom that someone would

1098
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 3: join the military and didn't do this. It couldn't have

1099
01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:46,840
Speaker 3: a career something like this could happened from inside of

1100
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:47,800
Speaker 3: the military.

1101
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: Right and like and had a goal.

1102
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:56,360
Speaker 3: Yeah it was planned, it was, Yeah it was, But

1103
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:56,760
Speaker 3: but it.

1104
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 4: Was planned on the on the premise of.

1105
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 3: Is hatred for the United States of America more than

1106
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 3: you say, hey, more importantly based on his ideology, be

1107
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 3: radicalized in it in an extremist of his ideology. Correct,

1108
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 3: religion doesn't pull the trigger. But if you are radicalized

1109
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 3: by something and become an extremist about something, okay, that

1110
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 3: makes you pull the trigger. But what you're what, what

1111
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 3: you're radicalized about, doesn't pull the trigger.

1112
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 1: Right now, I get you, and what what what a

1113
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure my listener and my viewer and us are

1114
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 1: just thrown back in our chairs. I'm just listening to

1115
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,320
Speaker 1: what you're saying. It's just what it is. You're just

1116
01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: telling me your account, and I hear it from you firsthand,

1117
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 1: and and I see the way that you're moving, and

1118
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm just like, you know, I'm so happy that you

1119
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: were able to just kick in to your training and

1120
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: evade the incendiary call to your guys, give some alert,

1121
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: run out of the hut, you know, try to get

1122
01:03:20,120 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: your bearings during being attacked from within. Literally, that was

1123
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,960
Speaker 1: a move. That is a radicalized move to do such

1124
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: a thing. It was calculated. It's cold, it's you know,

1125
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: friendly fire of the worst kind. You know, one hundred

1126
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: percent it's not friendly. It was not friendly. Friendly fire

1127
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 1: is not friendly. It's a joke that person shot you.

1128
01:03:45,160 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you mentioned friendly fire and I left this

1129
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 3: out not intentionally, but I'll say it now. So doing

1130
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 3: all a chaos on the ground of explosions and gunfire,

1131
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 3: a neighboring camp, friendly camp. They had the picture battery

1132
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:05,480
Speaker 3: located there, so you know, with all these all these

1133
01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 3: explosion and everything, the picture batteries monitoring their screen and

1134
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 3: they see a fast moving object coming across the screen.

1135
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 4: So they think, okay, it has to be a scug.

1136
01:04:13,720 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 3: With all this stuff happening on the ground, it has

1137
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 3: to be a scug and they shoot it down. But

1138
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 3: it ends up being a British Tornado Fighter jet returning

1139
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 3: from a mission and they killed a crew. Oh so

1140
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 3: that was friendly fly, but it's all calls by bar

1141
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 3: and radicalize extremism.

1142
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,479
Speaker 1: I know this account. I know of this because I'm

1143
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: you know, this was it was so media embedded. Everything

1144
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:45,960
Speaker 1: was all involved in this war. Everyone had gone to

1145
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: training with their reporters, to boot camps and they're all

1146
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,120
Speaker 1: wearing plate carriers and say press you know, and stuff,

1147
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: and so you know, it was very much you know,

1148
01:04:55,680 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: on our TV it was and I all that, You're right,

1149
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: though it does get clouded in the fog of war.

1150
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I talked so much about his diary quotes

1151
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:16,560
Speaker 3: not to solidify.

1152
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 4: Him being.

1153
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:26,040
Speaker 3: The extremist guilty. I talk about it because these victims

1154
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 3: never received the Purple Heart mel Yeah so, but his

1155
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 3: comments and the reason for doing this makes him an

1156
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 3: enery of our country first. Yes, Now what type of

1157
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 3: vantage you want to get on that line, I would

1158
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 3: say terrorists, but enemy of our country first? Yes, yeah,

1159
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:54,120
Speaker 3: with the purple heart regulation attest to of being criteria.

1160
01:05:53,640 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: For their war, right, he still probably says it.

1161
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 3: And then we had those other parts. I'm telling you,

1162
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 3: I'm going to kill him. I'm telling you I'm going

1163
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 3: to kill him. Yes, unbeknownst to us, he's telling you

1164
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,360
Speaker 3: I'm telling you I'm going to kill him based on

1165
01:06:14,720 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 3: his extremism.

1166
01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:17,480
Speaker 1: It's a manifesto.

1167
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:19,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

1168
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 3: But still to this day, twenty two years later, the

1169
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 3: Army or the Air Force doesn't understand this. You would

1170
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,919
Speaker 3: probably think, are these real people up there? So here,

1171
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 3: let me give you a timeline for this. I was

1172
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 3: not sure if anyone had pursued the purple Heart metal

1173
01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 3: for these victims from two thousand and five trial happening

1174
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 3: until two thousand and twenty one. I had heard something,

1175
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 3: but I couldn't get anyone to confirm that so and

1176
01:06:56,120 --> 01:07:01,680
Speaker 3: so did it, and it was denied. No one could

1177
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 3: tell me that so and so did anything. So I said, okay,

1178
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 3: I'm going to fix this. I'll do it myself. I'll

1179
01:07:08,880 --> 01:07:12,000
Speaker 3: start to process myself. If it's been started, okay, I'm

1180
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 3: starting over. So there was no battle handoff. No one

1181
01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 3: could tell me that someone had started, so I just started.

1182
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,080
Speaker 3: So I reached out to the ward section and talked

1183
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 3: to them, you know what do I need? I already

1184
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:26,760
Speaker 3: knew the Improvement Authority was the Secretary of the Army, so

1185
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:28,680
Speaker 3: I started everything. I got all the victims on a

1186
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 3: call and told them what I needed, told them what

1187
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 3: I was doing. Some months passed and put all their

1188
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 3: stuff together, put it in the packet, send it to

1189
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 3: the Apartment Army.

1190
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 4: They went to the award section.

1191
01:07:40,800 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 3: They put it all together and send it to the

1192
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 3: Secretary Army's office for approval. By that time, I get

1193
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 3: a congressman to come on board. Congressman Baking out of Nebraska,

1194
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 3: who writes a letter. And if a congressman writes a letter,

1195
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 3: then it's a congressional and the Army has to answer.

1196
01:07:57,120 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 3: The military has an answer whatever BATCHA goes to. A letter,

1197
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:02,000
Speaker 3: went to the Army and the Air Force because we

1198
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 3: have Army and Air Force victims, and they came back

1199
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 3: with their respond saying that it couldn't be awarded because

1200
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 3: an update to the regulation in twenty fifteen the states

1201
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 3: that the attacker must have been in communication with a

1202
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 3: foreign terist organization and that the attack was inspired and

1203
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:24,680
Speaker 3: motivated by the communication of that foreign terist organization. So

1204
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 3: that's why I point out the whole loan actor thing,

1205
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,680
Speaker 3: because you don't have to be a loan actor. Why

1206
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 3: do you have to I mean, I'm sorry, you don't

1207
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:37,400
Speaker 3: have to have been in communication with a foreign terist

1208
01:08:37,479 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 3: organization to commit attack, right, you just have to be

1209
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:45,600
Speaker 3: in alignment with it. You don't have to talk to them.

1210
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 3: You can follow that ideology without talking to them, and

1211
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 3: you can be radicalized about what they're radicalized about and

1212
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 3: extreme about what they are extremely about without being in

1213
01:08:56,080 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 3: communication with them. Like humans don't understand it, what a

1214
01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:02,920
Speaker 3: military understand? I mean, I don't care.

1215
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,759
Speaker 1: What are they afraid of? Giving benefits to the family,

1216
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,360
Speaker 1: What are they afraid of? What are they afraid of

1217
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:09,320
Speaker 1: up there at the top, what.

1218
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 4: Are you frad of?

1219
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,640
Speaker 3: The guy said he was going to kill Americans?

1220
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. You read his quote, You're like, let me

1221
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 1: quote this because I want to be accurate. And when

1222
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 1: I listened to you be accurate about his quote. It

1223
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 1: sounds like he's the terrorist who is embedded himself into

1224
01:09:27,640 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: our own cloak and dagger situation to do what he did.

1225
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 3: He said, I'm going to destroy is to destroy America,

1226
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:41,280
Speaker 3: and the military of this method of destroying America by

1227
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:46,280
Speaker 3: starting with American soldiers first.

1228
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,160
Speaker 1: And at the end of it for them to say

1229
01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: he's not been a communication, well, I mean, how did

1230
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:55,440
Speaker 1: he get radicalized to, you know, want to have sympathy

1231
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: for that cause there was something out there that was

1232
01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: said and that affected him. So we all see the media,

1233
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:05,280
Speaker 1: We all see Osama sitting with his ak against the

1234
01:10:05,320 --> 01:10:08,519
Speaker 1: wall talking and like, you know, America, is this, that

1235
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 1: and the other? I didn't feel that way, but he did. Yeah,

1236
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 1: So how's that not communicating? Hello? I mean hello government

1237
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:20,640
Speaker 1: officials at the time who watched my show that have

1238
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: been on my show? What's up with no purple hearts?

1239
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 1: Really shot through the commander's hand into his leg? Really,

1240
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:33,960
Speaker 1: no purple heart? Like I'm now civilian rad frustrated with this.

1241
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 1: As a taxpayer, I want my military to have the benefits,

1242
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: all the benefits that are entitled to them. The reason

1243
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 1: why they joined was because, Hey, if something happens to

1244
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 1: you this, that or the other, you know, a purple

1245
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:50,960
Speaker 1: heart can help with, you know, just closing that chapter

1246
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: and not being bitter and angry about it. You know,

1247
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 1: because you think you get wounded in battle, you get

1248
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 1: a purple heart.

1249
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 3: Two people, the two people that were killed, one shot

1250
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 3: point blank in the back, was a father of a

1251
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 3: four month old son.

1252
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 4: The second one.

1253
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 3: Died two days later of eighty three eighty three eight

1254
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:25,280
Speaker 3: three grenade shrapnel holes in his body. He was the

1255
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 3: father of eleven year old and seven year old son.

1256
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 3: So you think about that, you had some math of

1257
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:37,280
Speaker 3: ad eleven year old is now thirty three and the

1258
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 3: seven year old is twenty nine, and so college, I

1259
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 3: want to say college is passed. He can't go any time.

1260
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 3: Wars would have helped all that. The four month old

1261
01:11:49,680 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 3: is I want to say he is a. Well I

1262
01:11:55,360 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 3: was going to go because he's in college. I think

1263
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,080
Speaker 3: he's a he'll be finishing up a sophomore year. I

1264
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 3: believe this. This you know too much from now so

1265
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 3: But but purple didn't help with that because his dad

1266
01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 3: didn't get it right.

1267
01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 1: And if his dad got the purple heart, that would

1268
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: go to the children to be able to help for

1269
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:23,759
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of the help alleviate the right what Okay, Okay,

1270
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 1: I gotta keep real.

1271
01:12:25,080 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 3: I must understand and expect that from my position of

1272
01:12:34,880 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 3: where I wasn't a military, I understand regulations and how

1273
01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:45,439
Speaker 3: we abide by him. But I also understand common sense.

1274
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 3: So get this that was put in there in twenty fifteen.

1275
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 3: I'll tell you why, which means when I send my

1276
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 3: packet up, they did not address from two thousand and

1277
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 3: three to two thousand and fourteen before this update to

1278
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:05,719
Speaker 3: the regulation. Well, is this backing off the twenty fourteen

1279
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 3: So you had eleven plus years to do something which

1280
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:15,559
Speaker 3: is retro right, you can retro this of that time.

1281
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:22,080
Speaker 3: But no, didn't do that. You talk about packets sent

1282
01:13:22,160 --> 01:13:27,000
Speaker 3: to them. They even addressed that one. The twenty fifteen

1283
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:32,120
Speaker 3: update came because of this reason, because of the two

1284
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:36,759
Speaker 3: thousand and nine attacked by Nadale Hassan at Fort Hood,

1285
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:41,720
Speaker 3: which arguably was inspired and motivated by Ockbar because it's

1286
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 3: a copycat world committed attack pulled it off for the

1287
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 3: same reason, same ideology, radcalized extremists. So Nadale Hassan did

1288
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 3: the same thing for the same reasons, advanced in terms

1289
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Speaker 3: of two thousand and three two thousand and nine, that

1290
01:13:59,400 --> 01:14:05,600
Speaker 3: period of the war in progress, maybe because he was

1291
01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 3: a major smarter, I don't know. But more importantly, the

1292
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 3: Internet was more advanced, so could get on the Internet,

1293
01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:20,959
Speaker 3: Google basis of whomever and communicate with a foreign terist organization.

1294
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:25,759
Speaker 3: Hey brother, I'm on your side, kind of do whatever

1295
01:14:26,120 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 3: takes place. But if I send you a note like

1296
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 3: I did to be a guest on this show and

1297
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:34,800
Speaker 3: you respond and I never reach out again, and you

1298
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:38,880
Speaker 3: never reach out again. Communication. Someone check your computer, check's mind.

1299
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 3: We communicated. That's it. That's communication. That's it. So because

1300
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 3: of that and that attack there, So that attack happened

1301
01:14:49,800 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine.

1302
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,719
Speaker 4: They didn't receive the proper art immediately either.

1303
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 3: They didn't get it until twenty sixteen, but they got

1304
01:14:56,479 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 3: it based off of the update. It was putting there

1305
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:03,040
Speaker 3: in twenty fifteen because a delegation of politicians in Texas,

1306
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:07,519
Speaker 3: sixth of them got involved and said this is wrong. Army,

1307
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,280
Speaker 3: you got to fix this, and went to the Secretary

1308
01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,000
Speaker 3: Army and he said, put something on my desk and

1309
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 3: I'll get it fixed. So that became the update because

1310
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:22,519
Speaker 3: he was in communication with a foreignchants organization. But again

1311
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:29,720
Speaker 3: Internet advanced six years later all those things. No, he

1312
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 3: didn't have a diary saying I'm going to destroy America

1313
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,639
Speaker 3: and nothing like that like Egball did. It's really it's

1314
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 3: still no justifications, still no justification. But the army, that's

1315
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 3: what that's their response today. Twenty fifteen, fifteen, twenty fifteen.

1316
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 1: No, no, no, like in a foreign country deployed for war,

1317
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:53,160
Speaker 1: attacked at your base. It should count.

1318
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:57,679
Speaker 3: Tell me I'm wrong, No, you're right, but also think

1319
01:15:57,760 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 3: that where it happened is there relevant?

1320
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, agreed, it just happened. Okay. What I'm getting

1321
01:16:04,720 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 1: at is yes, Okay, I just yeah, it's a it

1322
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,960
Speaker 1: is irrelevant, You're exactly. It just happened, and it happened

1323
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 1: how it happened. And his intent was to wound and

1324
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,479
Speaker 1: maim and kill the Allies.

1325
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:20,559
Speaker 4: That's it.

1326
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 1: That's it.

1327
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:22,880
Speaker 3: And he said, he said he was going to do it,

1328
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,520
Speaker 3: and he did it, and he did.

1329
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:28,759
Speaker 1: And who does he need to communicate other than himself?

1330
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:30,320
Speaker 3: He doesn't.

1331
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: He's he he he he hotted himself. He chose to.

1332
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:42,439
Speaker 1: He was looking for others to join him. How about that?

1333
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: How about he was the ringleader?

1334
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:45,519
Speaker 4: Listen and he did?

1335
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 3: Now Dale Son two thousand and nine, for who that's right?

1336
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:56,320
Speaker 3: A Coastguard officer in twenty nineteen who had served an

1337
01:16:56,360 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 3: army in the Marine Corps plotted to kill democratic politicians

1338
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,960
Speaker 3: since inspired motivating him.

1339
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 4: It's Concampt world.

1340
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:05,640
Speaker 1: So there's the collections we.

1341
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 3: Could kill Americans and get away with it that are

1342
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 3: serving our government, then so can I? Twenty twenty one,

1343
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 3: POC bridges join the military station at Fort Stewart, Georgia.

1344
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,639
Speaker 3: He was plotting to blow up the nine one one Memorial.

1345
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 3: Wasn't communication with isis to the point where he had

1346
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:31,840
Speaker 3: sent them some of our our war fighting documents to

1347
01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:38,160
Speaker 3: be able to combat our troops in theater and to

1348
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 3: help in any way he could to tell them exactly

1349
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:44,080
Speaker 3: where people were going to be. And then he wanted

1350
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:49,680
Speaker 3: to deploy to help ices kill fellow American soldiers. He

1351
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:54,560
Speaker 3: was in the military, right, so Ogbar started all this,

1352
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:58,720
Speaker 3: this bluagbar. But because the military didn't do anything about it,

1353
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:02,200
Speaker 3: didn't acknowledge it, didn't and still hasn't called it anything.

1354
01:18:02,680 --> 01:18:07,280
Speaker 3: This just keeps happening. It's not done because it's too

1355
01:18:07,320 --> 01:18:12,200
Speaker 3: easy to join and carry out your your motus operandi

1356
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:18,160
Speaker 3: for whatever reason. Who well, you're not getting better when

1357
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 3: I get better. Uh, And keep in mind, you know,

1358
01:18:22,240 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 3: we don't have a draft.

1359
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:24,560
Speaker 4: So these people coming from society.

1360
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:28,479
Speaker 3: But that what I've just described you is society. We

1361
01:18:28,920 --> 01:18:34,679
Speaker 3: tell young people to you know, be strong willed, believe

1362
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:37,479
Speaker 3: in something. We push them to believe in something, and

1363
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 3: they are going out and they're believing in stuff. So

1364
01:18:41,080 --> 01:18:44,200
Speaker 3: it's almost like we can't even falter. It's one thing

1365
01:18:44,200 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 3: to have a belief beliefs turn.

1366
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:46,880
Speaker 4: It's kind of.

1367
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 3: Similar in ideology's cousin, right, brother, But then they make

1368
01:18:52,840 --> 01:18:56,720
Speaker 3: the individual choice become radicalized about that belief or ideology,

1369
01:18:57,080 --> 01:19:01,760
Speaker 3: and then extreme about it. So there's an escalation and

1370
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:06,720
Speaker 3: you have now I'm extreme, right, and then it's like

1371
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 3: my side against your side. We're just gonna keep going,

1372
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 3: keep going, keep going to you you push me to

1373
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:12,560
Speaker 3: the boying point and then boom.

1374
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 1: And just to put it out there, like you know,

1375
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 1: my dad was Mormon and he had guys on his

1376
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:23,840
Speaker 1: team that were Muslim and uh Catholic and Protestant and

1377
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:29,799
Speaker 1: different faiths. You could say they all had one common

1378
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 1: goal of being green Berets, but at the end of

1379
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:35,559
Speaker 1: the day, they weren't like radicalized about their faith per se.

1380
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to say that the faith is

1381
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 1: what pulled the trigger, Okay, it's well more.

1382
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,480
Speaker 4: Important if faith does not pull the trigger.

1383
01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:44,559
Speaker 1: That's that's it, right. I'm just saying like you can

1384
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 1: have you can have a contingitive guys that are all

1385
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:51,400
Speaker 1: from different walks of life, not at each other's throats.

1386
01:19:51,439 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 3: It works.

1387
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 4: There's no.

1388
01:19:56,040 --> 01:19:58,519
Speaker 3: No one has to prove that theirs is better or

1389
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 3: bigger or whatever like this. That's that's why there's different

1390
01:20:02,160 --> 01:20:06,719
Speaker 3: ones do yours. But when you try to prove yours

1391
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 3: to be something else, you know, then then it becomes different.

1392
01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:12,519
Speaker 1: And you try and you take it so seriously, like

1393
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 1: what he did and you know, or trying to find

1394
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 1: a way to get through the web so that he

1395
01:20:18,600 --> 01:20:21,680
Speaker 1: can do what he needs to do. That he was malicious,

1396
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:24,920
Speaker 1: and I would I don't know what voice I have

1397
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 1: to say that this should be reconciled to be you know,

1398
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:32,919
Speaker 1: purple hearts given to everybody involved that has sustained injuries.

1399
01:20:32,960 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: That was all documented, and I thought a purple heart

1400
01:20:35,360 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 1: had to be you know, combat was happening and you

1401
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:40,400
Speaker 1: guys were being attacked, and you know it was witnessed

1402
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 1: by a commander or somebody above could say, hey this

1403
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 1: I attest to all this, all that seems to all

1404
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:46,439
Speaker 1: be in place.

1405
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:53,880
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yep. So I mean I went to military. Well,

1406
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:55,040
Speaker 3: first of all, I want the victim to be a

1407
01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 3: ward of purple heart. They have a choice here. They

1408
01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 3: can say anymy of our country, they can say a terrorist,

1409
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:06,519
Speaker 3: they can say I would say those twos tame. Here's

1410
01:21:06,520 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 3: another maker saying, and you may or may not like this,

1411
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:11,400
Speaker 3: but I want the world to know this because this

1412
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 3: the military works who operates heard a guy named Pat Tillman. Yes,

1413
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 3: tis Pat Tillman has a purple heart, and there you go,

1414
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:30,599
Speaker 3: friendly fire and right, but it wasn't it wasn't the enemy.

1415
01:21:31,400 --> 01:21:35,400
Speaker 6: No, it wasn't proper heart. Yeah, it hasn't been rescinded.

1416
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:39,439
Speaker 6: And the army knows how he died. All up to

1417
01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:42,280
Speaker 6: the top level. They went down a path of it's

1418
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:44,840
Speaker 6: it's the insurgents. It's insurgents, it's insurgents.

1419
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:47,680
Speaker 1: It was all caused by the insurgents, which caused the

1420
01:21:47,720 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 1: friendly fire to happen in the first place, so they

1421
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 1: they rooted it. And I'm not trying to take any

1422
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 1: away from Tilman or anything that happened there.

1423
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:56,240
Speaker 3: Okay, we're not trying to do that.

1424
01:21:56,280 --> 01:22:00,320
Speaker 1: But that's what should happen as well, to you know,

1425
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:04,280
Speaker 1: your exo, to everybody that was involved, to everybody that

1426
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 1: to yourself.

1427
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:07,680
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, well no, it won't be for me. It

1428
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 3: ain't for me.

1429
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:09,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that.

1430
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 3: I get I'm doing the only thing I'm doing is

1431
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,439
Speaker 3: taking care of my soldiers. Yes, we're supposed to be

1432
01:22:14,479 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 3: taught to do. That's something the military is not doing

1433
01:22:17,080 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 3: to this day. Take care of crap, you know, saying

1434
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:23,600
Speaker 3: of them taking the podium and talking about how we

1435
01:22:23,640 --> 01:22:25,920
Speaker 3: take care of soldiers and you're doing nothing with this.

1436
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:27,960
Speaker 4: So explain something.

1437
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 3: So you want to call it in any of our country

1438
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 3: terrors friendly fire, but choose something this whole. I'm never

1439
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 3: going to say nothing about that. What it is.

1440
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:38,679
Speaker 1: One of them will work.

1441
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 4: There's a lot of them work.

1442
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,400
Speaker 3: Because you've awarded the prom for friendly fire.

1443
01:22:43,400 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 1: And what's a problem with giving it? Well, I mean

1444
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:49,200
Speaker 1: again regulation wise.

1445
01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:56,640
Speaker 3: No, Well, I'm gonna always maintain that we have to

1446
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 3: honor our our regulations. If we have to be led

1447
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:05,679
Speaker 3: by something, that we have to abide by that right.

1448
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:11,080
Speaker 3: But everything clearly says that he's an enemy. Everything clearly

1449
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:14,720
Speaker 3: says that he's a terrorist. So if that was not

1450
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 3: the case, then I wouldn't be I wouldn't be down

1451
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 3: the proper Hart path at all, because I don't have

1452
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:23,600
Speaker 3: a leg to stand on. It just be bad. It

1453
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 3: would be bad, but not deserving of a purple heart.

1454
01:23:29,160 --> 01:23:32,759
Speaker 3: But when someone says it is my goal to destroy America,

1455
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:37,479
Speaker 3: that's my greatest goal. And then they say, as soon

1456
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:40,439
Speaker 3: as I get to Iraq, although he couldn't wait, I'm

1457
01:23:40,479 --> 01:23:42,920
Speaker 3: going to kill as many of them as I can,

1458
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:48,880
Speaker 3: and he did and did. Then then I don't know,

1459
01:23:49,479 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 3: I'm clueless.

1460
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:53,759
Speaker 1: I'd be like, arrest my case Matt Locke style, Perry

1461
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:54,479
Speaker 1: Mason or something.

1462
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:59,120
Speaker 3: I'd be like, you know, I want a general of

1463
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 3: any star to just be I'll be hum We're not

1464
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,960
Speaker 3: talking about humility here. This is not I feel sorry

1465
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:10,720
Speaker 3: for your story. This is here are the things that

1466
01:24:10,800 --> 01:24:13,200
Speaker 3: aligned that says he's the end of our country?

1467
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 4: Wind up?

1468
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 3: Don't you see that?

1469
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 1: Like what's explain to us what we're missing because we're

1470
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,920
Speaker 1: not understanding what your algorithm is that this That's why

1471
01:24:26,920 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm asking, like what who? What? Who went? And where

1472
01:24:31,520 --> 01:24:34,920
Speaker 1: is in charge of like saying, yes, you know it's it?

1473
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:38,320
Speaker 1: Is it? Congress? Is it? You know who issues the

1474
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:39,400
Speaker 1: purple Heart?

1475
01:24:40,760 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 3: The Secretary Army is improven authory m So just like

1476
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:45,720
Speaker 3: having them forward to it, Like I said, they didn't

1477
01:24:45,720 --> 01:24:48,520
Speaker 3: get it at first either, But that delegation of politicians,

1478
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 3: you know, just strength in numbers went to the Secretary Army,

1479
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:53,479
Speaker 3: you know, So I guess it's going to take that.

1480
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:57,200
Speaker 3: You know, bart woman, no one's missing to bart One,

1481
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 3: you gotta apply for him. In the first place was

1482
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,640
Speaker 3: because of college wrote a letter and they have to

1483
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 3: answer that. They don't have to answer Barroil woman. They

1484
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:06,439
Speaker 3: didn't send me the letters. I got the letter sent

1485
01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:13,800
Speaker 3: from those offices after they sent the letter to Congressman Baker.

1486
01:25:14,840 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 3: So what all the congressmen need to do? They need

1487
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 3: to work together, because together then you know the certain

1488
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 3: army is going to answer no. You know, change command now,

1489
01:25:27,400 --> 01:25:29,639
Speaker 3: so a new administration and all that. The last one

1490
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:34,400
Speaker 3: just said no. And I even was with the former

1491
01:25:34,439 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 3: Secretary Army and told her that this package was coming

1492
01:25:37,000 --> 01:25:40,120
Speaker 3: before I sent it. I said, this is coming, in fact,

1493
01:25:40,160 --> 01:25:42,640
Speaker 3: it was en route. She said I'll look forward to

1494
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 3: seeing it. And she did nothing. She didn't even sign

1495
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 3: the letters. You would think that a certain Turton Army

1496
01:25:48,600 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 3: responding to a congressman, you would at least sign the

1497
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:51,719
Speaker 3: letter yourself.

1498
01:25:53,640 --> 01:25:56,439
Speaker 1: It's like it's like there's some kind of admitting like

1499
01:25:57,280 --> 01:26:02,639
Speaker 1: it happened, or like I don't understand what anybody that

1500
01:26:03,040 --> 01:26:07,799
Speaker 1: we elect as our politicians who serve.

1501
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 3: Us, Yeah, serve us.

1502
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:17,120
Speaker 1: Let's remember who they serve, us, the people. How they

1503
01:26:17,240 --> 01:26:22,880
Speaker 1: have the ability the tenacity to just like not no

1504
01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:24,960
Speaker 1: matter what, whether it was in the last administration, the

1505
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:29,559
Speaker 1: current administration, the administration before you know, Obama. Hello, I

1506
01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:33,439
Speaker 1: mean come on, I mean, like, I'm just kind of

1507
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm confused. You know, it's disappointing. It's disappointing that they

1508
01:26:38,120 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 1: don't get the benefits to the family. And here they

1509
01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:44,679
Speaker 1: are today trying to like cut things and like chot things,

1510
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 1: and you know, no, this is a valiant reason to

1511
01:26:49,200 --> 01:26:53,519
Speaker 1: give purple hearts to these people and to go back

1512
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:58,640
Speaker 1: to the original date and pay them. Oh yeah, you

1513
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 1: know from the time of of accident, VA and everybody there,

1514
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 1: you know, from the time that it happened till now,

1515
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:08,400
Speaker 1: they should get back paid as well as their purple

1516
01:27:08,439 --> 01:27:14,639
Speaker 1: heart so they could be proud and those that didn't

1517
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 1: make it for their kids to have the benefits trick

1518
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 1: care for life, whatever the case is. If they're one

1519
01:27:18,960 --> 01:27:22,320
Speaker 1: hundred percent disabled veteran now because of the situation that occurred,

1520
01:27:22,680 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: you know, you know, they should still get their purple heart.

1521
01:27:26,840 --> 01:27:29,599
Speaker 1: It is the one award my dad said he never wanted,

1522
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:31,720
Speaker 1: you know that. I always said, hey, Dad, how come

1523
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 1: you don't have a purple heart. He's like, I don't

1524
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 1: want that. He's like, I don't I don't want the

1525
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:40,040
Speaker 1: enemy's marksmanship badge. That's what he said. And I just

1526
01:27:40,040 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 1: want to point that out. Yeah, because it's the enemy.

1527
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, and you.

1528
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:49,240
Speaker 1: Hit on it. It's the enemy embedded within dude, and

1529
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 1: so and he he he is and he's in for

1530
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:56,400
Speaker 1: Levenworth on death row for this because that's an enemy.

1531
01:27:57,080 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1532
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 1: Okay, Bart, I want to know more about this as

1533
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:08,200
Speaker 1: you get progress on it, as things happen, if this

1534
01:28:08,280 --> 01:28:11,080
Speaker 1: can change, if you can get success and the right

1535
01:28:11,080 --> 01:28:13,760
Speaker 1: people hear it and they can approve this, I want

1536
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 1: to hear from you. We want you back on the show.

1537
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 1: I want to encourage everybody to go check out Embedded Enemy,

1538
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 1: the book that you had written talking about what we

1539
01:28:24,200 --> 01:28:27,320
Speaker 1: just talked about. Just go read a book and just

1540
01:28:27,400 --> 01:28:32,360
Speaker 1: let your mind read the words and interpret the actions

1541
01:28:32,360 --> 01:28:35,240
Speaker 1: in your head, and then tell yourself that they don't

1542
01:28:35,240 --> 01:28:38,800
Speaker 1: deserve a purple heart. Everybody deserves to go to bed

1543
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,920
Speaker 1: at night and wake up the next day on the

1544
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 1: same team. I'm just saying, I'm just saying, Yeah, if.

1545
01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 3: You want to know why I'm doing this is because

1546
01:28:52,479 --> 01:28:54,920
Speaker 3: they can't do it themselves right now, because they're not

1547
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 3: physically cable, because you know, they have too much humility

1548
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 3: to say give me a purple heart or I deserve

1549
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:03,760
Speaker 3: a purple heart. There never none of them are going

1550
01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:04,240
Speaker 3: to do that.

1551
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 1: No, this is you. This is you doing what you

1552
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:09,720
Speaker 1: do best, which is taking care of your Joe's who

1553
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:11,840
Speaker 1: look up to you, and you're just like, you know what.

1554
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 1: I was there. I know exactly how this went down.

1555
01:29:14,520 --> 01:29:18,360
Speaker 1: This was not some little daisy whoopsie do thing. This

1556
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:24,080
Speaker 1: was like premeditated frags, multiple hooches, I keep calling them

1557
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,120
Speaker 1: hooches and huts, and it was a.

1558
01:29:29,040 --> 01:29:31,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to ask you, I want to ask

1559
01:29:31,200 --> 01:29:37,720
Speaker 3: you to and we know that the the what's the wow?

1560
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:41,719
Speaker 3: How do I say this a slang slang for grenade

1561
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 3: being thrown as frag But I want you to stop

1562
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 3: saying that, okay, And here's why and that this is

1563
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 3: where the Army has been with this for for a

1564
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:59,960
Speaker 3: long time because during the Vietnam era, when someone was fragged,

1565
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:07,160
Speaker 3: it meant that a fellow American soldier threw a grenade

1566
01:30:07,800 --> 01:30:12,320
Speaker 3: to blow up fellow American soldiers because they didn't like them,

1567
01:30:12,439 --> 01:30:16,479
Speaker 3: and they called that fragging, which just means I don't

1568
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 3: like you. I don't like you, and it is my

1569
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:23,479
Speaker 3: goal to destroy America. That's my greatest going. I'm gonna

1570
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 3: kill as many of them as possible as not the

1571
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:32,880
Speaker 3: same thing. So you gotta shed that one. Yeah, yeah, no,

1572
01:30:32,920 --> 01:30:35,800
Speaker 3: because only because the army looks at it that way.

1573
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:39,040
Speaker 3: So that's what it was called in Vietnam. Now we know,

1574
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:42,160
Speaker 3: like I said, it's slang for someone throw a grenade, right,

1575
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:46,759
Speaker 3: but it's also it's slang for someone through a grenade.

1576
01:30:47,160 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 3: But it also means that same thing of I didn't

1577
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 3: like them, so I threw a grenade to try to

1578
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:55,840
Speaker 3: blow them up, because that happened in Vietnam, and they

1579
01:30:55,880 --> 01:30:56,639
Speaker 3: called it a.

1580
01:30:56,720 --> 01:31:00,920
Speaker 1: Fragging, And that's a definition that they have that they

1581
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:03,800
Speaker 1: have that they hold on to for that type of

1582
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:04,480
Speaker 1: a situation.

1583
01:31:05,240 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 3: And more so because who did he whose tense did

1584
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:10,960
Speaker 3: he throw the grenades into?

1585
01:31:11,360 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 1: The mean he specifically went across the compound to your guys' leadership, correct.

1586
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, So if you go, if you google asan bar

1587
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:26,840
Speaker 3: and you look at one of the first is going

1588
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 3: to say fragged. So they didn't help, no, So he's

1589
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 3: trying to eradicate that. So anytime someone says that, I mean,

1590
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:37,360
Speaker 3: I smash it immediately.

1591
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:41,400
Speaker 1: Because we need to stop calling duty that that's not helping.

1592
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 3: Killing it everything I've told you. It's a terrorist terrorist attack.

1593
01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:52,839
Speaker 1: It's a terrorist attack, yeah, because there was multiple means involved.

1594
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:54,240
Speaker 1: Besides just a grenade.

1595
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 3: There was, but yeah, a grenade is a means because

1596
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:01,680
Speaker 3: no one ever says, can what happened on nine to

1597
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:05,240
Speaker 3: one one airplane? I'm sorry? What kind of attack?

1598
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:07,320
Speaker 1: Was nine one one terrorist attack?

1599
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:09,679
Speaker 3: I'm sorry? Why isn't it a plane attack?

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01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? You know, and you want to know something that

1601
01:32:12,479 --> 01:32:12,880
Speaker 1: morning the.

1602
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:16,639
Speaker 4: Plays, Yes, what you use?

1603
01:32:17,080 --> 01:32:18,280
Speaker 1: No, it was the means.

1604
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:21,120
Speaker 3: Across the desert with an M two forty machine gun. No,

1605
01:32:21,160 --> 01:32:23,960
Speaker 3: I want to say it was a machine gun attack. No.

1606
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:27,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, So we're discussing the means.

1607
01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:32,679
Speaker 1: We're discussing exactly who they were. Who did We watched

1608
01:32:32,680 --> 01:32:34,760
Speaker 1: the second tower get hit. My dad came upstairs on

1609
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 1: the first one and said, hey, turn the TV on.

1610
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 1: He woke me and my wife up at the time

1611
01:32:39,479 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 1: and he's like, turn the TV on. We saw the

1612
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:43,759
Speaker 1: first tower smoking, and then as soon as the second

1613
01:32:43,760 --> 01:32:46,559
Speaker 1: one hit on TV, he looked at me and said,

1614
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:47,559
Speaker 1: we are under attack.

1615
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:48,280
Speaker 3: Wow.

1616
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:51,040
Speaker 1: He had been retired for a few you know, and

1617
01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:53,720
Speaker 1: I've been home now, but uh, he's like, we are

1618
01:32:53,800 --> 01:32:58,120
Speaker 1: under attack. He immediately knew that it was a terrorist attack.

1619
01:32:58,200 --> 01:32:59,360
Speaker 1: It was not just a one off.

1620
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 3: First one is that first one is that messed up pilot?

1621
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. First one was like oh no someone, oh no pilot. No.

1622
01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:08,600
Speaker 1: Second one is like Aaron, We're under attack, is what

1623
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:09,680
Speaker 1: he said meaningly, looked at me.

1624
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:12,720
Speaker 3: That's when I turned a television on as well. That

1625
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:17,400
Speaker 3: made it was beforehand different. Xler said, so I'm ready

1626
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 3: to come look at this. So he was looking when

1627
01:33:19,800 --> 01:33:22,599
Speaker 3: the first one was smoking, I guess. And then as

1628
01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 3: soon as I walked in there boom to the point

1629
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:30,240
Speaker 3: where I said it was smarter than me. I said,

1630
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:34,280
Speaker 3: in disbelief, Oh this is a movie. It's like no, look,

1631
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:39,160
Speaker 3: don CNN. You can't believe it, Like there's no white right.

1632
01:33:39,800 --> 01:33:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you came into it at that point. But

1633
01:33:42,439 --> 01:33:44,320
Speaker 1: we had already been watching the tower for like probably

1634
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:45,719
Speaker 1: four or five minutes smoking.

1635
01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:47,559
Speaker 3: Oh okay, you know what I mean.

1636
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:49,960
Speaker 1: So when the saw sudden like live you know, we're

1637
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:52,280
Speaker 1: watching the towers. This is happening in New York. The

1638
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:54,960
Speaker 1: second one, Oh my god, the second one. And I

1639
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:58,120
Speaker 1: was just like, he looked at me. It's an attack.

1640
01:33:58,240 --> 01:34:02,160
Speaker 1: That's a terrorist attack. They've been working on that building

1641
01:34:02,200 --> 01:34:04,320
Speaker 1: for years, trying to get that building down like that

1642
01:34:05,240 --> 01:34:11,759
Speaker 1: ninety three, ninety six, ninety eight car bombs. They were pissed,

1643
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:15,679
Speaker 1: and so how can somebody I don't know. I hope

1644
01:34:15,880 --> 01:34:20,439
Speaker 1: I pray to whatever faith that I believe in, that

1645
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 1: you know, your packet gets seen and goes through for

1646
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:27,760
Speaker 1: your soldiers and you're airman that you're trying to fight for.

1647
01:34:27,960 --> 01:34:29,800
Speaker 1: I just want to let you know that. I also

1648
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:31,560
Speaker 1: want to let you know that You've been one of

1649
01:34:31,600 --> 01:34:33,960
Speaker 1: the best interviews I've ever had on my show and

1650
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 1: one of the longest to have had on organically, just

1651
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:39,760
Speaker 1: with this conversation, and I just want to say that

1652
01:34:40,080 --> 01:34:41,880
Speaker 1: I have a lot of love for your spirit, for

1653
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:46,000
Speaker 1: our military and our America and in general just for you,

1654
01:34:46,160 --> 01:34:48,000
Speaker 1: just from our conversation. So I just want you to

1655
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:51,120
Speaker 1: know that anything you want to say, you have a

1656
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:55,639
Speaker 1: voice here on Soft Rep Radio, where well whoever listens

1657
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:58,120
Speaker 1: to us, which I know there's at least one person

1658
01:34:58,120 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 1: who replies to me every now and then General, thank you.

1659
01:35:01,479 --> 01:35:03,640
Speaker 1: That's who hit. That's who's out there, bro. And these

1660
01:35:03,680 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 1: people should be also sitting back going like, if you've

1661
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:08,320
Speaker 1: listened to this whole thing or gotten to this point,

1662
01:35:08,360 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 1: you should be appalled that our soldiers and airmen who

1663
01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:16,320
Speaker 1: are involved in this conflict, this terrorist attack have not

1664
01:35:16,360 --> 01:35:17,599
Speaker 1: gotten a purple heart out of it.

1665
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:24,040
Speaker 3: That's right, Like I said, it's not not a pity party. No,

1666
01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:28,080
Speaker 3: they don't. They don't need sympathy. Had he not written

1667
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:31,080
Speaker 3: those things and carried it out, then we will be

1668
01:35:31,080 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 3: talking about we'll be talking about something else. Right, But

1669
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 3: because he did, I mean he is an equal to

1670
01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:41,680
Speaker 3: terrorists as any of the terrorists, as anyone who's been

1671
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:42,240
Speaker 3: annointed and.

1672
01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:46,320
Speaker 1: Well, especially with today's today's labeling of terrorists has just

1673
01:35:46,360 --> 01:35:49,320
Speaker 1: gotten out of hand. Yeah, somebody goes and destroys a

1674
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 1: car lot, they're a terrorist, a car lot with no nothing,

1675
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:57,559
Speaker 1: no value to human life. A car lot is a terrorist.

1676
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:03,679
Speaker 1: What about actually a terrorist killing military members as a terrorist.

1677
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:08,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, everything's annoyed at terrorists. The guy, the

1678
01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 3: the Codst Guard officer, they called him a terroists.

1679
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:13,360
Speaker 4: He hadn't even killed anybody.

1680
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:17,080
Speaker 3: All he did and I get I'm not trying to

1681
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:22,120
Speaker 3: exonerate him. Had a hit list right to kill uh

1682
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:26,240
Speaker 3: you know, politicians, and enough armament in his house to

1683
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 3: complete that and kill another fifty politicians. But he wasn't

1684
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:35,280
Speaker 3: able to terrorist. He didn't done anything yet.

1685
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:39,439
Speaker 1: He may even complete the situation that list and he

1686
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:40,160
Speaker 1: had Amal.

1687
01:36:40,760 --> 01:36:43,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's a terrorist, right.

1688
01:36:44,320 --> 01:36:49,480
Speaker 1: This guy went through secretly to get into the military,

1689
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 1: to have an idea to be a terrorist. He knew

1690
01:36:55,360 --> 01:36:57,640
Speaker 1: he was going to cost terror. His whole goal was

1691
01:36:57,680 --> 01:37:00,599
Speaker 1: to cost terror. It wasn't to be like no, it

1692
01:37:00,640 --> 01:37:01,879
Speaker 1: was to be a terrorist.

1693
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:05,920
Speaker 3: In the in the PFC at Fort Stewart. It was communicator.

1694
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:07,360
Speaker 3: I said, all this thing and center the.

1695
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:16,879
Speaker 4: Plans he was his his charge is hotting a terrorist attack.

1696
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:24,360
Speaker 3: But I Bar, who wants to destroy the entire America?

1697
01:37:25,160 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 3: It's just nothing, no, nothing, No, he's a terrorist.

1698
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:32,840
Speaker 1: No, I want you to squash that. You need to stop

1699
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:36,599
Speaker 1: saying that he's a terrorist. Okay, he's a terrorist.

1700
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:41,360
Speaker 3: I called both of these other guys a terrorists. Those

1701
01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:44,080
Speaker 3: are those guys are in my opinion, But and so

1702
01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 3: is Ibar. But I'm saying the government is saying terrorsts here.

1703
01:37:48,840 --> 01:37:49,880
Speaker 1: I know not bar.

1704
01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:50,680
Speaker 4: They don't say that.

1705
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:52,519
Speaker 1: They don't say it at all. They don't even say

1706
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:56,240
Speaker 1: I know not No, they don't say it. Yeah, but

1707
01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 1: they see him three squares a day.

1708
01:37:57,680 --> 01:37:58,320
Speaker 3: Huh.

1709
01:37:58,320 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 4: It's the year of my country.

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Speaker 3: They don't say friendly fired, they don't say tears. They'll

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01:38:03,280 --> 01:38:11,479
Speaker 3: say nothing, just nothing, nothing. Huh.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, I hopefully my listeners appalled. I'm appalled. I'm appalled, okay,

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01:38:16,439 --> 01:38:18,760
Speaker 1: And I love my country first of all, and I

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01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:23,200
Speaker 1: love my soldiers, all my airmen, everybody out the Marine Corps. Nah,

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01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:32,559
Speaker 1: I'm just saying part Okay, So listen, let's have you

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01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:35,479
Speaker 1: back with an update. Okay, a positive update, be like

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01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:39,439
Speaker 1: rad positive update update. Let's just keep hammering at it.

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01:38:39,479 --> 01:38:41,439
Speaker 1: If you need to use me, if we can become

1719
01:38:41,439 --> 01:38:43,400
Speaker 1: annoying to them so that you have to actually look

1720
01:38:43,400 --> 01:38:45,840
Speaker 1: at this one more time, use me, use us, use

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01:38:45,840 --> 01:38:50,639
Speaker 1: soft rip, and we will happily help put it out there.

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01:38:50,680 --> 01:38:53,680
Speaker 1: Your message, the message for these other soldiers who are

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01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:56,360
Speaker 1: still alive. There's people alive. These guys aren't like just gone.

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01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:58,559
Speaker 1: It's not a posthumous situation. Some of them may be,

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01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 1: but serious these people can use the Purple Heart. The

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01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:06,400
Speaker 1: benefits that come with serving their country, which they're told about,

1727
01:39:06,439 --> 01:39:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, because some of them pass away, they have

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01:39:09,160 --> 01:39:11,559
Speaker 1: SLGI and that goes to their family. There's some money

1729
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:15,680
Speaker 1: the insurance can go to the family. But man, no

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01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 1: one ever talks about when you live with the disability

1731
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:20,000
Speaker 1: or you live with the anguish, you have to live

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01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:22,519
Speaker 1: with it. You have to live with it, and you

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01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:25,000
Speaker 1: need to be compensated for your life to live with that.

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01:39:25,320 --> 01:39:27,479
Speaker 1: And giving them the Purple Heart would give them a

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01:39:27,520 --> 01:39:31,559
Speaker 1: benefits package that's a little bit more expound than just

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01:39:31,600 --> 01:39:34,480
Speaker 1: the normal VA benefits that are out there. For everybody

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01:39:34,520 --> 01:39:37,960
Speaker 1: that didn't get a purple heart, it's it.

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01:39:39,640 --> 01:39:42,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of them, the feod is still in the

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01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:45,479
Speaker 3: military and had to continue to serve under appremise dead.

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01:39:48,120 --> 01:39:50,120
Speaker 4: I love my country. That might even though they're turning

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01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:50,640
Speaker 4: back on me.

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01:39:51,120 --> 01:39:55,280
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. So let's hope that that changes, Okay, And

1743
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:57,920
Speaker 1: I want I want to hear from you guys out there,

1744
01:39:58,000 --> 01:39:59,799
Speaker 1: if you've watched this or listened to it or comment,

1745
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:03,040
Speaker 1: you know, let us know where you stand on supporting this.

1746
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:06,000
Speaker 1: And if you're someone out there who wants to call

1747
01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:09,240
Speaker 1: a congressman and reach out and say hey, I would

1748
01:40:09,320 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 1: like to see the purple hearts given to the terrorist

1749
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 1: attack that happened on March two thousand and three. You

1750
01:40:17,880 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 1: feel free to write your congressman or have your congressman

1751
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:23,759
Speaker 1: get involved to try to push the army. It seems

1752
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:27,120
Speaker 1: like it takes us to call or reach out somehow,

1753
01:40:27,160 --> 01:40:32,840
Speaker 1: So call your local congressman and just politely tell them

1754
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:36,720
Speaker 1: to please do it because they serve us, so they

1755
01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:39,600
Speaker 1: should take a call, right And I'd imagine if it

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01:40:39,680 --> 01:40:42,000
Speaker 1: takes the Department of the Army to get involved, have

1757
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:44,240
Speaker 1: to approve these because there's so you know, there's so

1758
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:46,559
Speaker 1: much time laps, et cetera. It's gonna be a special case.

1759
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:48,760
Speaker 1: They're gonna have to look at it, which they already know.

1760
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:51,800
Speaker 1: They already know all.

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01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:53,920
Speaker 3: Those facts, all those diary things would send to them

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01:40:54,200 --> 01:40:56,639
Speaker 3: in my packet exactly fifteen.

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01:40:57,439 --> 01:40:59,479
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I want to hear from I want to

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01:40:59,479 --> 01:41:00,840
Speaker 1: hear from someone up the army. Now.

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01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:13,960
Speaker 3: I appreciate your your interest in this advocacy for it,

1766
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:16,960
Speaker 3: and I thank you very much for allowing me to

1767
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:20,840
Speaker 3: have this much time on your show to articulate it.

1768
01:41:20,840 --> 01:41:23,640
Speaker 3: It's very very hard to kind of put it in

1769
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:29,040
Speaker 3: small little bites so I appreciate the opportunity to be

1770
01:41:29,040 --> 01:41:32,360
Speaker 3: able to expand upon it so that you and your

1771
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:34,240
Speaker 3: audience understands what we are with.

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01:41:34,200 --> 01:41:36,880
Speaker 1: This our audience. Thank you so much. And you're so

1773
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:39,880
Speaker 1: eloquent when you speak, and you're thoughtful, and I love

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01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:43,200
Speaker 1: how you contemplate the words. I can only take some

1775
01:41:43,280 --> 01:41:46,919
Speaker 1: of that in my own daily life to think thoroughly

1776
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:55,719
Speaker 1: before I say something. Okay, let you know, all right.

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01:41:58,680 --> 01:42:00,720
Speaker 3: You're doing great today.

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01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:02,920
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Thank you so much. And with

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01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:07,000
Speaker 1: that said, on a positive smile, positive note, thank you

1780
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:14,200
Speaker 1: to retire Command Sergeant Major Airborne Bart Womack. You've been

1781
01:42:14,720 --> 01:42:18,120
Speaker 1: awesome guest dude, and so I look forward to having

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01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:18,400
Speaker 1: you back.

1783
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:20,200
Speaker 3: Okay, I appreciate it.

1784
01:42:20,200 --> 01:42:23,000
Speaker 1: Thank you all right, and so thank you to everybody

1785
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:26,920
Speaker 1: that's listened and watched. And you know, if you're inclined

1786
01:42:26,960 --> 01:42:29,559
Speaker 1: to do something, please feel free to do so by

1787
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:32,000
Speaker 1: reaching out to your local congressman and just saying, hey,

1788
01:42:32,040 --> 01:42:34,719
Speaker 1: I heard that all of these soldiers and airmen didn't

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01:42:34,720 --> 01:42:36,760
Speaker 1: get a purple heart because they were attacked by a

1790
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:40,840
Speaker 1: terrorist with terrorist actions against America. Why that's all you

1791
01:42:40,880 --> 01:42:44,040
Speaker 1: gotta say, Okay, help him. It takes it does take

1792
01:42:44,040 --> 01:42:46,320
Speaker 1: a village. It takes all of us. Let's help each

1793
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:50,640
Speaker 1: other to get these awarded to those who are just

1794
01:42:50,680 --> 01:42:52,960
Speaker 1: sitting there humbly saying hey man, I'm not really trying

1795
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:56,080
Speaker 1: to stir the pop, but thank you. I think that's

1796
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:58,559
Speaker 1: how it goes. So on behalf of Soft Rep Radio. On,

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01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:01,719
Speaker 1: behalf of Brandon Webb, my sir Callum out of London,

1798
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:05,360
Speaker 1: and myself Rad and Bart right here. I just want

1799
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:07,439
Speaker 1: to say thank you so much for being a part

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Speaker 1: of the show and

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Speaker 2: Peace you've been listening to self red Radio