1 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: All right, we're back here on the Inside Scoop with 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: Ken Rosenthal joining us. Ken is a senior writer for 3 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: The Athletic. He goes on Fox as well nationally on 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: the sidelines. He has fair territory here in the Foul 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: Territory network, and he has the unpleasant situation with having 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: talking to me NonStop. It feels like lately, Ken, how 7 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: are you, frit It. 8 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 2: Is always a pleasure to talk to you, first of all, 9 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: and it's especially a pleasure to talk to you on 10 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: this show because usually a host who should not be 11 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: named or shall not be named is someone who doesn't 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 2: read my articles. So not only do you read my articles, 13 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: you help me write articles, do you write them together? 14 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 2: So it's a pleasure, that is true. 15 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:47,840 Speaker 1: I do know what is in the last two Ken 16 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:50,200 Speaker 1: Rosenthal articles. I got a sneak peek at his column 17 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: that I really want to ask you about, Ken, because 18 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 1: I feel like we were talking about this a little 19 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: in the first segment, Gratzy put his phone on Do 20 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 1: not Disturb because he's worried someone's going to hire him 21 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: out of this show to manage it because he was 22 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: a catcher. How troubling do you think is this trend 23 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: obviously Deepodesta not being in baseball in ten years, but 24 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: beyond that, some of the managerial hires. What are you 25 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: kind of hearing around the industry about this. 26 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: I don't know if troubling is the right word. I 27 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 2: just find it somewhat weird, okay. And I wrote the article, 28 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 2: and I made it clear in the article that listen, 29 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 2: all of these new hires, the ones that are a 30 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: little bit outside the box, maybe a lot outside the box, 31 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 2: all of them have a chance to succeed. And maybe 32 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: I'm totally wrong and even questioning it, maybe Tony V. 33 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: Teller will be great, maybe Blake Putero will be great. 34 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 2: I grant all that. And in fact, I mentioned in 35 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 2: the article as well that when Aaron Boone was hired 36 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, I was the one guy who questioned that, saying, 37 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: whoa WHOA no coaching experience, no managing experience. And obviously 38 00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 2: he's proven to be a successful manager. But to me, 39 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 2: there is a certain path that has followed to these 40 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 2: jobs and has been for a long time. It's you're 41 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 2: a coach for a long time, you're a minor league manager, 42 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,680 Speaker 2: you work your way up, and it's not to say 43 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 2: that new people from other walks of the industry can't 44 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 2: be included in this club, but you're also ignoring a 45 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 2: lot of people who are doing it the right way 46 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 2: or the common path, and that is troubling to me. 47 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,160 Speaker 2: It is troubling that people are getting ignored that maybe 48 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 2: you should deserve a chance. And that is kind of 49 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 2: why I wrote it, because I am hearing from people 50 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 2: in the industry, not all people, obviously, but some that 51 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 2: this is bothering them, that this is to them kind 52 00:02:34,919 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 2: of offensive. Quite frankly, I don't know that I would 53 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 2: go that far, but it certainly raises the question why 54 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 2: take these risks with unproven managers some are well won 55 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:49,720 Speaker 2: at least from completely outside of professional baseball, when you 56 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: have qualified candidates all over the place. Now, teams will 57 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 2: tell you, well, the thin the pool is thin. It's 58 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 2: not as good as you think. I don't know. It 59 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 2: seems to me you've got a number of people out 60 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 2: there who are deserving him a chance and would like 61 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 2: a chance. 62 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 3: Is this kind of a safe pick by the Rockies? 63 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 3: And I have to explain the fact that it's a 64 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 3: safe pick because it's somebody that's not been in baseball 65 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 3: in the sense that they're going, hey, this is how 66 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 3: we've done it, this is how we've had success, and 67 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 3: the Rockies have kind of bucked that for a long 68 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 3: time that, well, this is how everyone else does baseball, 69 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: but it's so terrible here in Colorado. So does it 70 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 3: feel like as much outside of the box as it is. 71 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 3: It's a safe pick for them. 72 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: It's not as if Paul Deepdesta has never worked for 73 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 2: a baseball team. He's worked for quite a few baseball 74 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: teams and been successful, at least with the Mets for sure, 75 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: and the A's going way back. So he is a 76 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: really smart guy, one of the smartest people who will 77 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: ever work in this sport. I would think. My concern 78 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 2: there is it's been ten years since he's been in 79 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 2: the game, and in those ten years a lot has changed. Now, 80 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: as was pointed out to me this morning by someone 81 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: in the game, Hey he's going to the Rockies. He's 82 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 2: got nowhere to go but up. He's going to make 83 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: that place better just by becoming their president baseball operations. 84 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 2: I buy it. It's still an unusual pick, to say 85 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: the least, and it's also a pick that came about 86 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,799 Speaker 2: after the Rockies two finalists that Britt and I reported 87 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: about Cleveland assistant GM Matt Foreman and Diamondback's assistant GM 88 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 2: Amiel Sode. They for whatever reason, were not in the 89 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 2: mix in the end, and it would seem to me 90 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 2: that that was the direction they were going, but they 91 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 2: couldn't get it done with either one of those guys. 92 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 2: And then Paul Dee Pedesta, who they had been talking 93 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: to as well, he became a more prominent player in 94 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 2: their mix. 95 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 4: Hey, Ken, I played high school basketball a little over 96 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 4: ten years ago, maybe like fifteen years ago. You think 97 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 4: NBA team would hire me? Mean no, but for real, 98 00:04:55,160 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 4: for real, for real, Aberpool host I was that was average. 99 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 4: But I mean, I'm just trying to make the parallel. 100 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 4: I mean I did something in the past, doesn't mean 101 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 4: I shouldn't necessarily do in the future. But Albertpool hosts, 102 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 4: you know, obviously did a little bit of work with 103 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 4: MLB Network and did the media think he went out 104 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 4: of his way to go coach in the Dominican was 105 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 4: planning on coaching. The WBC team tried to take the 106 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 4: more kind of traditional route in order to get a 107 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 4: managerial job. You feel like that's no longer the route 108 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 4: that someone should take if they're trying to be a manager. 109 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 4: Is there a shortcut? Is there a better path forward? 110 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 2: I don't know. Guys like Albert are getting hired. Craig 111 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: Salmon is a former player who is not that far 112 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 2: removed from his playing days, and granted he was a 113 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 2: special assistant. Kurtzuzuki the same thing, also a special assistant. 114 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 2: Albert has not been a special assistant. But albertpool certainly 115 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 2: is someone who wants to manage. And it's telling to 116 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: me that there are nine or or nine openings still 117 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 2: one left with Rockies and he's not getting any of them. Now. 118 00:05:57,600 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: Maybe it's because teams fear his strong personality, and we've 119 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: talked about this a lot. Teams prefer collaboration with their managers, 120 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,799 Speaker 2: and I get it, that's the way the game is gone. 121 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 2: But Albert Pooles is certainly an interesting guy to hire. Now, 122 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 2: he'd also be a tough guy to fire, and that's 123 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 2: part of the problem, I would think. And with great players, 124 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 2: you don't always get a great manager. I covered a 125 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: few like that. But at the same time, if we're 126 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: being so bold here, if we're hiring all these outside 127 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: the box, guys, why at Albert. 128 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 3: Pooles does he reracket? Does he reracket next offseason when 129 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 3: there's maybe only half the managerial openings. I mean, I 130 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 3: don't know that we'll see an off season with so 131 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 3: many opportunities for him? Does he reracket or does he 132 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 3: say no? I have to do it differently. I have 133 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,000 Speaker 3: to do it Ryan Samberg style where he managed at 134 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 3: low A high A, double A, triple A and then 135 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 3: he got his opportunity. 136 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 2: If I'm Albert, I would say no to that. And 137 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 2: the reason is because so many others are going hired 138 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,799 Speaker 2: who have not done that, who are not Albert Pooholes. 139 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: Now he's going to manage the Dominican Republic in the 140 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 2: World Baseball Classic. That's another opportunity for him to gain experience. 141 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 2: And I would expect that this desire of his to 142 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 2: manage is not going to go away. I would think 143 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 2: Albert Pooles wants to do something. He's going to try 144 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: to do something. The question is whether the game will 145 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 2: welcome him in that role. I don't know the answer 146 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: to that. 147 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know everything in Colorado's fairly new. Have you 148 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 4: heard any sort of rumors of who might take that 149 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 4: managerial job? 150 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 5: No? 151 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 2: Not yet. And Paul de Podesta, as I said, and 152 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: we know, has been out of the game for a decade. 153 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 2: So some of the managers he might have hired back 154 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: ten years ago when he was with the Mets in 155 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: his last job in a secondary role, not the league guy, 156 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: those guys might not be in the game anymore, or 157 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 2: they might have moved on to other things and greater things. 158 00:07:55,920 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 2: I don't know, So I'm not exactly sure how or 159 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 2: who his people might be regarding managerial candidates. But it's 160 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 2: going to be interesting to see who he hires because 161 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: obviously he has connections in the game. He was with 162 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 2: the Mets, the Padres, the A's going way back Cleveland. 163 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: He has guys, but whether they're available, or whether he 164 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 2: would still want them, or whether they're out of the 165 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: game entirely, I don't know exactly where all that stands. 166 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like if there's one thing, if there's 167 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: one thing that we know Kennis, that you can't guess, 168 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 1: because it feels like everything that has been just crazy 169 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: has happened this cycle. So who knows what they do 170 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,480 Speaker 1: in Colorado. It's going to be tough to top the 171 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 1: chaos of Paul Deepotesta, but maybe they will, who knows, 172 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: Maybe they hire Albert Pulos. Wouldn't surprise anyone based on 173 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: what's going on here for the last goal. 174 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 3: At that point. 175 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 2: I'm talking to somebody this morning who knows aj Preller, 176 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 2: and I don't know if i'd call him a confident 177 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: of Prellers, but he knows Pler and talks to him, 178 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 2: and he said I'd never heard Craig Stabbin's name out 179 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,600 Speaker 2: of his mouth, So who knows how that came about. 180 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 2: And you're right, Britt, it's been one surprise after another. 181 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 2: And again I don't want to sound like a fuddy 182 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 2: duddy here, if that's the right term, a grouch, But again, 183 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 2: these are risks. These are teams are taking. And you 184 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 2: can say, well, it's always a risk no matter who 185 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 2: you hire. Well, yes, but the level of risk is 186 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: greater with some of these hires than it would be 187 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 2: with some others. 188 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, it certainly seems like like David Ross, Brandon Hyde, 189 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: Vance Wilson, like Ryan Flaherty. There are candidates that have 190 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 1: managed and not managed, who are coaching and have experience 191 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 1: and have a little, I don't know a little experience 192 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: being in the dugout, not as a player. I think 193 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: it's a everyone is looking for the next Steven Vote. 194 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: People forget the Vote did spend a year in the bullpen, 195 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: the bullpen coach of Seattle. And also just because Stephen 196 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: Vote did it and was uniquely qualified to do it, 197 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that there's twenty or thirty other Steven Votes 198 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:56,959 Speaker 1: out there. This is where I think the industry gets 199 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: a little too obsessed with copycat and with the success 200 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: of a guy like Stephen Vote, kind of meaning that 201 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: you don't need that experience when he could just be 202 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 1: the anomaly here, you know, and not then necessarily the rule. 203 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: So I want to point that out. I want to 204 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: switch gears, though, Ken, because there's a lot of other 205 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 1: stuff going on qualifying offers. There were some surprises there. 206 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 1: Brandon Woodruff with the Brewers, a small market team that 207 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: you've written about often needing to spend more money, decides 208 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 1: that they are going to offer Brandon Woodruff a qualifying offer. 209 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: How surprised are you by that? And were there other 210 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: ones that made you go, huh, didn't see that coming? 211 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: That one was the most surprising, And as you said, Britt, 212 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 2: the Brewers are not a team that generally spends at 213 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: market value or above, and I would say twenty two 214 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 2: million for Brandon Woodruff is probably above market value considering 215 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 2: his health history. When he's healthy, of course, he's a 216 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 2: really good pitcher and definitely worked that over one year. 217 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 2: But because of the history, you just don't know. And 218 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 2: with the Brewers, what I imagine they're doing, actually what 219 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: I know they're doing is protecting themselves in the hope 220 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 2: that some other team will sign him and they will 221 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: get a draft pick. The problem with that is Brandon 222 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 2: Woodriff now has a qualifying offer attached. It makes it 223 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,800 Speaker 2: difficult for him, or more difficult then it would have 224 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: been without a qualifying offer, and teams will say, well, 225 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 2: I'm not giving Brandon Woodriff a multi year deal and 226 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 2: giving up a draft pick when he has this injury history. 227 00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:29,439 Speaker 2: So ultimately, maybe Woodriff takes it, and that would be 228 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 2: a surprise that you can always trade a guy after 229 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 2: he signs with the qualifying offer. But I don't know 230 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 2: that that's the Brewers intent. It just seems to me 231 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 2: they're covering their bases here and the worst case scenario 232 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 2: they get Woodriff back. Maybe it's not a worst case scenario. 233 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 2: I shouldn't call it that, but the one option is 234 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 2: they get Woodrift back. There are probably at least going 235 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 2: to entertain offers for Freddy Peralta. So if Woodriff is 236 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 2: back in the fold, at least you have, if healthy, 237 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 2: a guy who can carry that top of the rotation spot. 238 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 3: He's not unprecedented, as Monti Grendal came essentially on the 239 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 3: qualifying offer they paid him. I think at the time 240 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,199 Speaker 3: it was like seventeen point nine million for the one 241 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 3: year deal. Kind of approve it deal, and I think 242 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,880 Speaker 3: I think Big Wu kind of is on the same 243 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 3: page where he has to do the one year deal. 244 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 3: So I like the move by the by the Brewers 245 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 3: before we get to any other qualifying offers. We brought 246 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 3: this up before. GMS always say, hey, what is you know? 247 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 3: One year deals? No such thing as a bad one 248 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 3: year deal? Is there a limit to that? Is there 249 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 3: a limit for the Brewers different than for the Dodgers, 250 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 3: because when you say one year deals, that qualifying offer 251 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 3: essentially is collusion by the league saying hey, this is 252 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 3: where we're willing to go one year deals. Nobody go 253 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 3: higher than this because if you don't sign the guy 254 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 3: to qualifying offer. Other teams go to it and they say, okay, 255 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 3: well we'll give you what you would have got and 256 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 3: had you stayed on that qualifying offer. So is there 257 00:13:03,120 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 3: a limit? Have you heard from GMS? Is there a 258 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 3: limit to that bad one year deal? 259 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure there is that. I'm sure it does 260 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: vary from team to team. The Dodgers have the financial 261 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 2: capability to absorb twenty two million much easier than the 262 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 2: Brewers do. There's not much question about that. So what's 263 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 2: surprising about this to me is that a twenty two 264 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 2: million dollars salary for the Brewers, given their payroll, it's 265 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 2: going to take up a certain percentage that is pretty significant. 266 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:34,199 Speaker 2: And that is where I was a little surprised. Now, 267 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: if he rejects it, all good. They get the draft pick. 268 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,600 Speaker 2: Assuming he signs for more than fifty million, then they 269 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 2: get a pick after the first round, before Competitive Balance 270 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 2: Round A, or maybe it's after Competitive Balance Round A, 271 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 2: if that's in the twenty nine to thirty two range usually, 272 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 2: and then if it's not fifty million, then he gets 273 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,720 Speaker 2: in free agency. The pick is after Competitive Balance Round B. 274 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: That's more in the seventy five range not as great 275 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 2: a pick, So it's a little bit of a risk 276 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 2: in my view from the Brewers' perspective, because I believe 277 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 2: he might take it, and that's a high percentage of 278 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 2: their payroll. Again, but as I said, maybe it's in 279 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 2: their minds protection for them if they do trade Peralta. 280 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 2: And there's nothing wrong with having Brandon woodrif on your team, 281 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,040 Speaker 2: especially if he's healthy. He is really good and we 282 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 2: saw that last year with diminished velocity, he was still 283 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 2: really good. 284 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 4: All right. 285 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 3: Then, the one person that did not get a qualifying 286 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 3: offer that feels like, really blit my radar. I don't 287 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 3: know about other people. Trent Grisham had a three five 288 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:39,800 Speaker 3: war this season, played a very good center field and 289 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 3: hit some dingers for the Yankees, who have no issue 290 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 3: with money anything from that, Like, are we able to 291 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 3: glean anything from the fact that they did not give 292 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 3: him or put a qualifying offer on his name? 293 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, he did get a qualifying offer, 294 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 2: Frank Grisham did, Yes, so right, Britt, So you got 295 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: it here? Yeah he got what he did? Yes, yes, yes, yeah, 296 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 2: so yes. It gives the Yankees protection center field next year, 297 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: even though his defensive metrics have declined, and it's a 298 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 2: thin group of center fielders, and they've already got Bellinger 299 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 2: as a free agent. So with Grisham, at least you 300 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 2: lock in Bellinger qualifying offer in the past is not 301 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 2: eligible for another one. So this too is going to 302 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 2: be really interesting, Eric, because will Grisham, with the qualifying 303 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,520 Speaker 2: offer attached, do as well as maybe he might envision. 304 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 2: I don't know. The metrics have declined, the speed has declined, 305 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 2: and he's not the same in center as he was 306 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,479 Speaker 2: maybe two years ago. But he's coming off a spectacular 307 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 2: offensive year. He is a guy who kind of rebuilt 308 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 2: his career after some struggles, which I think is something 309 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 2: that should be admired and a testament to his grit 310 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 2: and competitiveness. So it's going to be interesting to see 311 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 2: where this goes. Does he get a big offer from 312 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: some team regardless of qualifying offer, or do teams look 313 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 2: at him and say not in a multi year we're 314 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 2: not that interested. And in his mind does he say 315 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 2: I'd rather go to the Yankees for twenty two than 316 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 2: test the market, which will be uncertain because of the 317 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 2: qualifying offer being attached. 318 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 4: Speaking of uncertainty, in the market. Do you anticipate for 319 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 4: agent being any different this year with potent the unknown of, 320 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:25,440 Speaker 4: you know, a season after next. 321 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: Kevin's a great question. It's when a lot of people 322 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 2: are asking, and I would think in certain cases perhaps 323 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 2: it will have an effect, But in general, I don't 324 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: see teams operating differently, and nor do I think they should. 325 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 2: The fact that there is the potential for a lockout 326 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 2: and one that eats into the twenty twenty seventh season, yes, 327 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: there is that possibility. We all know that. Is it likely. 328 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 2: I don't know that it's likely. And let's say I'm 329 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 2: hoping against hope. Perhaps, But let's say we don't miss 330 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 2: any games, and let's say the season twenty twenty seven 331 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 2: goes off as planned. You're gonna want players. The players 332 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: that are available now, you're gonna want them in twenty 333 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 2: twenty seven, the good ones. So if I'm a team, 334 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 2: I would not operate with fear of that negative. I 335 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 2: would operate as if things were going to be status quo, 336 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 2: and if they are not, okay, but you still have 337 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: that player under control whatever becomes of the twenty twenty 338 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: seven season and beyond, assuming he is on a long 339 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 2: term deal. 340 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally agree with you, Ken. I hope that 341 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: is what we see. Thanks so much for your time. 342 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: I'll see you in Vegas next week. Which I said 343 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: to an executive the other day, it's the GM meetings. 344 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: It sounds so cool, like, see you in Vegas. We're 345 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: not leaving the hotel everyone, We're just staying in Vegas. 346 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: We're not leaving them in any city in America, any 347 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 2: small town in America, and any hotel in America, and 348 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 2: it would be the same outcome. It doesn't matter. 349 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 3: We're gonna be Yeah. 350 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: Yes, it's not that exciting, but you could check out 351 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: Ken and it is exciting. Fair Territory Mondays and Thursdays 352 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: here on the Foul Territory Network with Alana Rizzo as well. 353 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 1: So we will be right back here with Shake it Up. 354 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 1: Welcome back, Foul Territory, Bridgeroli, Kevin Aerocrats, Steven Talbert joining 355 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: us for our to do list on the Atlanta Braves. 356 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: Let's get right to it, Steven, what's the to do 357 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: list for the Atlanta Braves? They got the manager? What 358 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: else we got cooking up here in Atlanta? 359 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, they got the manager? What weiss was announced on 360 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 5: Monday They just added a bunch of coaches to his 361 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 5: staff the last couple of days. So now it's about 362 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 5: players and the big things for the Braves. You know, 363 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 5: they need a shortstop. They needed a shortstop basically since 364 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 5: Dansby left. They need starting pitching help. They lost basically 365 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 5: their entire rotation to the sixty dil last year. And 366 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 5: then they need bullpen help because they just lost their closer, 367 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,159 Speaker 5: Russio Glesias free agency. They could bring him back. They 368 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 5: also declined some options on some other bullpen pieces, so 369 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 5: they need bullpen help. 370 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 3: All right, your first thing on your off season, do 371 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 3: list a big league shortstop. Orlando Arcia kind of hurt 372 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 3: this because he's a big league shortstop who probably doesn't 373 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 3: fit into the big league starting shortstop role, but he 374 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,640 Speaker 3: was an All Star in that magical season for the Braves. 375 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,040 Speaker 3: Where do the Braves turn? How do they turn? Do 376 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 3: you see the Braves dipping into some of that big 377 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 3: league talent to maybe trade for somebody that can play 378 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 3: shortstop in the big leagues for them? 379 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 5: So the hard thing, it's just shortstops are so hard 380 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,439 Speaker 5: to find. Teams don't trade them. Teams don't when you 381 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,679 Speaker 5: get good ones you don't trade them. And you know, 382 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 5: even when you've got multiple that you know, if you 383 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 5: watch the draft, everybody draft shortstops because they can play 384 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 5: all of the diamond and so it's just really hard 385 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 5: to acquire a shortstop via trade. If you ask me 386 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 5: right now, I mean, obviously, they claimed Hassan Kim the 387 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 5: last month of the season off waivers from Tampa. He 388 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 5: just declined his player option and is now a free agent, 389 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 5: so they're gonna have to They're gonna have to sign 390 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 5: him on the open market. He's probably the best option. 391 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 5: I don't see them getting in the Bobashett sweepstakes, one 392 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 5: because he's gonna command probably two hundred plus million dollars. 393 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 5: And two there's a lot I mean, there's quite a 394 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 5: bit of talk about is he really a shortstop? His 395 00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 5: metrics last year we're pretty brutal. There's you know, I 396 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 5: don't know if he's gonna play second or third or 397 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 5: somebody's gonna let him play short. But I think hass 398 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 5: On Kim is if you ask, if you said right now, 399 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 5: who's going to be the shortstop on opening Day? I 400 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 5: would guess Hassan Kim. But if you told me it's 401 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 5: definitely not gonna be him. I could not give you 402 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 5: another name because they are just very hard. They're very 403 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 5: hard to find. 404 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,400 Speaker 4: Let me start a rumor, let me give you a name. 405 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:43,359 Speaker 4: And I know Alex likes to operate in a secrecy 406 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 4: and he always finds guys that no one else thinks 407 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 4: are possible. Hear me out on this. There's one team 408 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 4: that's willing to spend money right now, the Atlanta Brakes 409 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 4: from everything that I've heard, And there's one team that 410 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 4: is wanting to cut payroll right now. Enter Corey Seeger. 411 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 4: How do you think Corey Seeger could fit in that equation? 412 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 4: He's also a Tennessee guy, Southeast guy. You like it. 413 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,479 Speaker 5: I would drive to Dallas Fort Worth and pick up 414 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 5: Corey Seeger myself if that was an option. Yes, I 415 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 5: would take that in the heart. I mean, he's owed 416 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 5: a lot of money, so the Rangers gave him that 417 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 5: massive deal. The kry Seger when he's healthy is like 418 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 5: one of the five best hitters on the planet. I've 419 00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 5: loved Cory Seeger since when he was a prospect with 420 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:27,680 Speaker 5: the Dodgers, So I would take that in a heartbeat. 421 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,399 Speaker 5: If the Rangers are actually serious about moving them. I 422 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 5: don't know what you know. You would have to figure 423 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 5: out the money, you'd have to figure out the prospects. 424 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 5: It's not an easy deal to do. But give me 425 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 5: Corey Seeger tomorrow. I'd take that all day. 426 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 3: I think there's probably five teams that wouldn't sign up 427 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 3: for that. So good for you, Tolbert. But your second 428 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 3: thing on the list was starting pitching the Braves. The 429 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 3: Braves don't need starting pitching. They're the starting pitching factory. 430 00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 3: They made John Smolts, they made Steve Avery, great Man, 431 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:05,160 Speaker 3: Spencer Swelling, Boch, Spencer Streyder. Why do they need starting pitching? 432 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 5: Well, if they lost six guys last year to the sixty, 433 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 5: which is crazy, I'm not I've been falling baseball a 434 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 5: long time. I don't know if I've ever seen in 435 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 5: a team's entire starting rotation plus one more be on 436 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 5: the sixty dil all at the same time, and they 437 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 5: just have a ton of inherent risk, injury risk in 438 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 5: their rotation. I mean, if you just go by the 439 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 5: names Chris Sale, Spencer Strider, Spencer Swellenbach, Ronaldo Lopez, Grant Holmes, 440 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,880 Speaker 5: aj Smith, Schalber, just the names on the list, sounds good. 441 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 5: That's a good starting five, starting six. The problem is 442 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 5: they were all injured for significant parts of last year. 443 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 5: They all have injury risk that you have to kind 444 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:51,959 Speaker 5: of project forward. So can you go into a season 445 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,640 Speaker 5: with those six guys and expect that a critical mass 446 00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 5: of them are going to stay healthy for a majority 447 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 5: of the season. I don't think you can. So they 448 00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 5: have to go get somebody a little more durable. They 449 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 5: have some flexibility because Ronaldo Lopez and Grant Holmes both 450 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 5: came out of the bullpen and can go back to 451 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 5: the bullpen if need be. And that's what the Dodgers 452 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 5: did last year. The Dodgers, you know, they they solve 453 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 5: the problem of trying to keep pitchures healthy by just 454 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 5: adding a ton of depth, ton a ton of ton 455 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 5: of depth, and when guys get hurt, just plug somebody 456 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 5: else in. And I know teams can't spend like the Dodgers, 457 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 5: but I think you can take a page out of 458 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 5: their book of move guys to the bullpen, use your 459 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:31,719 Speaker 5: flexibility to build depth and protect against injury through a 460 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 5: massive arms And when the Braves have you know, the 461 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 5: Braves have so much inherent risk in their rotation already. 462 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 5: I think that's the way you got to go. I 463 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 5: think you have to add at least one durable, quality 464 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 5: starter this offseason. 465 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: So the Braves freed up a little payroll by declining 466 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: options on two of their top relievers. Or were you 467 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: surprised though, because now on your to do list is 468 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,679 Speaker 1: that they need bullpen help. So I mean, in particular, 469 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 1: I think the Tyler Kinley moved because he was so 470 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,960 Speaker 1: good for them, was a little bit of a surprise. 471 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: Do you think that they would look to re sign 472 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,879 Speaker 1: either of those guys at maybe longer deals that are 473 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: a little less aav or are they going to look 474 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: elsewhere on the market altogether? 475 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was surprising. The Kenley move specifically was I'm 476 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 5: not gonna say a shock because we talked about the possibility, 477 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 5: but it was surprising. They acquired him at the trade deadline. 478 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,640 Speaker 5: They wanted to see what he would look like if 479 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 5: they revamped his his repertoire a little bit, get him 480 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 5: out of coops Field. Same thing they did with Pierce 481 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 5: Johnson and it worked beautifully. And they had this relatively 482 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 5: cheap option of five million dollars and they just declined 483 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 5: it yesterday. So on top of the fact they declined 484 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 5: Pierce Johnson's option rossill Glacies as a free agent. Joejamenez 485 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 5: missed the whole season with knee injury last year. So 486 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 5: the bullpen is just up in the air, and I'm 487 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 5: fascinated to see what they're gonna do there. I mean, 488 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,480 Speaker 5: at this point, they're probably gonna to add like four relievers, 489 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 5: three or four relievers at this point, including a proven closer. 490 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,680 Speaker 5: So to answer your question specifically, I would not be 491 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 5: surprised if they tried to bring Kenley back. I don't 492 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 5: know that you're going to get a lower aa B 493 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 5: than five million a year, though, So I don't. 494 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't. 495 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,400 Speaker 5: That was a surprising move. Pierce Jonathon declining that option 496 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 5: I can make more sense of Kenley was surprising to me. 497 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 5: So it just adds one more thing. I mean, that's 498 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 5: just another reliever. They got to go find this all season. 499 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,360 Speaker 4: I heard Walt Weiss talking about on the radio yesterday 500 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 4: about potentially implementing I hate using the word load management, 501 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 4: maybe except for Matt Olson because he's got this streak 502 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 4: going on, but learning that players sometimes just need a 503 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 4: day off. I guess my question to you is It's 504 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 4: hard for me to say this cause he's a good 505 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 4: friend of mine and I know he loves being in Atlanta. 506 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,200 Speaker 4: But they have a catching situation going on here with 507 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 4: Drake Baldwin's emergence. Do you feel like keeping both catchers 508 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 4: allows them to kind of balance that load management of 509 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 4: having two kind of one A one B. Or do 510 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 4: you see value in maybe trading a guy like Sean 511 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 4: Murphy for you know, a laundry list of things that 512 00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 4: the Braves could use. 513 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, So this has been a big topic ever since 514 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 5: Drake Baldwin busts onto the scene as one of the 515 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,720 Speaker 5: best young players in baseball. Is you have Sean Murphy 516 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 5: signed to this long term deal at big money, it 517 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 5: makes fifteen million dollars next year. Are you going to 518 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 5: let him be a part time player making fifteen million bucks? 519 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 5: That's a real question, and especially when you have this 520 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 5: laundry list of other things you need to do. You 521 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 5: don't exactly have the Dodgers' upper tier payroll, so you 522 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 5: know you got a limit an amount of space to 523 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 5: do it. 524 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 3: So it's a fair question. 525 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 5: The thing I would say is the messaging out of 526 00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,919 Speaker 5: the team has been we have to have two catchers. 527 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 5: It's one hundred and fifty degrees in Atlanta in the summer, Like, 528 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 5: playing one hundred and sixty games as a catcher just 529 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 5: doesn't work. And I think a lot of teams have 530 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 5: moved to more of a dual catcher, you know, I 531 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 5: know JT. Realmuto, you know, was kind of the lone 532 00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 5: exception for a while doing one hundred and fifty games 533 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 5: a year. But I just don't know if that's sustainable, 534 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 5: and you have to have two pretty good ones, and 535 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 5: so it is a fascinating question of I see the 536 00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 5: value of keeping him, and I see the value of 537 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 5: moving him, especially if if it not only it maybe 538 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 5: brings in a piece that you're missing somewhere else on 539 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 5: the team, but it frees up payroll to go do 540 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 5: even more. So yeah, it's a great question. And I 541 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 5: all the messages, all the messaging from the team has 542 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 5: been there, going to keep both. But we've heard that 543 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 5: before from Alex you know, they said they weren't going 544 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,439 Speaker 5: to trade William Conturras, and then they traded William conture 545 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 5: So you know, we'll see what happens. It's it is 546 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 5: a It's a fair question though, because you can make 547 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 5: a You can make a logical argument on either side 548 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 5: of that. 549 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 3: One, right, Sorry, Stephen Brian mccantz calling me. He wanted 550 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 3: to say that anybody can catch one hundred and forty game. Wait, no, 551 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 3: he got tired too at the end of his career. 552 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 3: But yes, catching it Atlanta is the real deal that 553 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 3: he that heat'll get to him. Man, but fifteen million 554 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 3: for a catcher is not that much money. My question 555 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,959 Speaker 3: is and it kind of was piggybacked a little bit 556 00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 3: off of what KP said what weiss Is he too 557 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 3: close to what went wrong last year? Or is he 558 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 3: the perfect closeness of what went wrong last year? You 559 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 3: had injuries in Atlanta and you don't need this guy 560 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 3: coming in and going, oh hey, I saw from the 561 00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 3: outside that you guys did this, and you guys did that. 562 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 3: He was so close, he saw the injury, He seize 563 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 3: the talent, and he knows this is a playoff possibly 564 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 3: another World Series winning team. So is he the perfect 565 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 3: person for this job? Is he the perfect person? 566 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,359 Speaker 5: I don't know the answer to that. I will say this, 567 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 5: I think the most important job of a manager is 568 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 5: you have to one you have to get the respect 569 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 5: of your players and two you have to be able 570 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,560 Speaker 5: to manage a clubhouse for six months and get twenty 571 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 5: six guys. We'll make a ton of money to row 572 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 5: in the same direction. And the tactical stuff on the 573 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 5: field is very much secondary to just keeping a clubhouse together. 574 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 5: And what Weiss has been in that clubhouse for like 575 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 5: ten years as the bench coach. The players love him, 576 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 5: they adore him. Walt played baseball, He's been at every level. 577 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 5: He commands a incredible amount of respect. And so like 578 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 5: the biggest hurdles you have to clear as a manager, 579 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 5: I feel like he's already cleared, you know. Now will 580 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 5: it work? I mean, we'll see. Last year did not 581 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 5: go well. I don't know how much of that I 582 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 5: would put on Brian Snitker versus really, you know, the 583 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 5: injuries were devastating. The offense really struggled last year the 584 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 5: first half. We're gonna have to figure out what happened there. 585 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 5: I still don't know what happened there. But again I 586 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 5: don't know that that was on snit And the biggest 587 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 5: parts of being a manager, I think are the parts 588 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 5: of what Weiss that I'm most confident in. And so, yeah, 589 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 5: it was a surprising hire. People a lot of people 590 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 5: thought they'd go outside the organization, new blood, especially after 591 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 5: how the last year went. But I understood their logic 592 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 5: of he's just highly respected and that's that's a lot 593 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 5: of the battle of being a successful big league manager. 594 00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I'm not that far removed from that clubhouse. 595 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 4: And I know the two of them co existed and 596 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 4: worked under each other, but two slightly different, not slightly, 597 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 4: very big different personalities. Yeah, I love the higher Boltwiss 598 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 4: is an incredible man, incredible human being, very intense, where 599 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 4: Snitt is a little bit more laid back. Snitt has 600 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 4: his moments, but wall is like a cage fighter. He's 601 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 4: a UFC fighter, like in a manager's body. So I 602 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 4: think he's going to get the most out of these guys. 603 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 4: I know the guys in that room love him, respect him. 604 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 4: He's a guy you're gonna be willing to run through 605 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 4: a wall for. It's not really a question. But like 606 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 4: I said, I'm not too far removed from that clubhouse. 607 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 4: The biggest elephant in the room for the Braves is 608 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 4: just health. Because the same cast of characters that I 609 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,800 Speaker 4: was there with in twenty twenty three, that one, one 610 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 4: hundred and five games is not a whole lot different 611 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 4: than they are now. I mean, you know, they've added 612 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 4: some young talent, they brought some other pieces, but how 613 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 4: the hell do they just stay healthy? Because when healthy, 614 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 4: you know they're a top three, top four baseball team. 615 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean health is health in the offense. Figure 616 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 5: out what happened to the offense. You know, the power 617 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,040 Speaker 5: has been way down. Austin Riley is kind of taking 618 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 5: a couple steps back, just like League just the team wide, 619 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 5: like the power has gone away and that was the 620 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 5: driving force behind that twenty twenty three record setting offense. 621 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 5: But yeah, keeping guys healthy. I don't know the secret 622 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 5: sauce to keeping guys healthy. I think, like what you 623 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 5: were talking about about building in a couple more off days, 624 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 5: I talked about with the pitching staff, adding depth, not 625 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 5: having to lean on the same five guys for six months, 626 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 5: being able to spread the load around to try to 627 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 5: get guys to October. But yeah, I mean, obviously there's 628 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 5: plenty of teams that would love to figure out the 629 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 5: magic formula to keeping guys healthy. I don't know, but 630 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 5: when the guys are healthy, they do need to go 631 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 5: back to hitting homers. They need to go back to 632 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 5: being an explosive offense. That was what they were built on. 633 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 5: That's what they built this kind of this run on. 634 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 5: They locked up all of their position players because they 635 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 5: expected this thing to be built on offense. And quite frankly, 636 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 5: the last two years, the offense just hasn't been good enough. 637 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 5: Even when guys were healthy, it hasn't been good enough. 638 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 5: And so Profar is gonna get a full year, Acunya 639 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 5: is gonna get. 640 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 3: A full year. 641 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 5: Riley's back next year, Olsen will figure out what they 642 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 5: do at DH. Drake and Sean Murphy should be a 643 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 5: pretty solid catching tandem. You know, they've got talent, They 644 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 5: got to keep it healthy and the offense has got 645 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 5: to perform to expectations. 646 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, quick follow up too. You kind of touched on it. 647 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 4: I know how important Marcelo Zuna was for those guys 648 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 4: being in that clubhouse. Obviously he didn't have a great 649 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 4: year the year before historic year. Do you see the 650 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 4: Braves not going out and getting a full time DH 651 00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 4: and just kind of utilizing that spot for the two catchers. 652 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 4: Maybe some of that load management is getting Riley or 653 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 4: Olsen or Cooney off his feet and allowing them to DH. 654 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,479 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's been a big question, is what are they 655 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 5: gonna do with DH. You know, Azuna did not have 656 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,720 Speaker 5: a good year. He had the hip stuff. That was 657 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 5: still kind of a mystery. 658 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 2: You know. 659 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 5: I don't know what his market's gonna look like overall. 660 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:50,640 Speaker 5: I don't know if the Braves are gonna have interest. 661 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 2: I do. 662 00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 5: I would love to see the team use that DH 663 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 5: spot as a way to give multiple guys days off 664 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 5: throughout the week, versus having a set DH all the time. 665 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 5: I think that's too restrictive on the roster, and I 666 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 5: do think it would help keep guys healthy. Like if 667 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 5: you got an outfielder that could give a Kunya in 668 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 5: profar days off during the week and let those guys DH, 669 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,640 Speaker 5: that'd help those guys get to October, if you if 670 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,479 Speaker 5: you did the same thing for Riley and Olsen. I mean, 671 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 5: Olson's gonna play every day anyways, but yeah, get guys 672 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 5: off their feet. Use the DH as a way to 673 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 5: help solve this injury problem that's that's cursed you the 674 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 5: last two years. And then on the pitching side, use 675 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 5: your bullpen and use your depth to do the same 676 00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 5: thing for those guys sitting here today. That's my best guess. 677 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 5: But yeah, what they do at DH is a big 678 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 5: question of the offseason. I mean I didn't put it 679 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 5: on the list because they've got other things more pressing, 680 00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 5: but yeah, they got to I mean, they gotta do 681 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 5: something with that DH spot in we'll see what Ozuna's 682 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 5: market looks like. I think it's gonna be pretty suppressed 683 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 5: because of the year he had and the injury in 684 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 5: his age, but we'll see. 685 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: Great analysis. Thank you so much, Steven, and you check 686 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: out Hamer Territory on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts.