Speaker 1: Hey, folks, that debate was just twenty four days ago,
Speaker 1: and just like that, now Joe Biden is out of
Speaker 1: the race. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes.
Speaker 1: It was not that long ago. How much has happened
Speaker 1: in three weeks and a couple of days. Joe Biden
Speaker 1: will not be seeking a second term.
Speaker 2: And it was shockingly shocking.
Speaker 3: I think maybe that's the best way to describe it,
Speaker 3: because I think a lot of people, if you were
Speaker 3: following any of the news, we're anticipating this as we
Speaker 3: saw more and more Democrats publicly privately leaked by sources
Speaker 3: asking the president to step aside for the good of
Speaker 3: the party, and so we were all kind of waiting,
Speaker 3: and yet still when the news came on Sunday one
Speaker 3: forty five or so Eastern time, it seemed to have
Speaker 3: caught everyone off guard.
Speaker 1: Well they had to. I mean, can you imagine everything
Speaker 1: leaks these days. Imagine what they were doing trying to
Speaker 1: keep this quiet. But he had some of his aids,
Speaker 1: not just surrogates, some of his aids out there on
Speaker 1: television just this weekend, almost pounding the table of He's
Speaker 1: not going anywhere, which you're hearing nope, he's full steam ahead.
Speaker 1: So some of that and then some of the writing
Speaker 1: was on the wall and a lot of people were
Speaker 1: saying he had to make a decision this weekend, just
Speaker 1: the timing of some things that are coming up that
Speaker 1: we'll get into. But still, you're right, that's a good
Speaker 1: way you put it. At the top, it was shockingly
Speaker 1: like why are we shocked by this? But still it
Speaker 1: just a jolt that he's not in this race anymore.
Speaker 3: We got the news and quickly turned on the TV
Speaker 3: and we were actually another I think good way to
Speaker 3: look at it, why it was so shocking or just
Speaker 3: that it was that is it seems that the networks
Speaker 3: weren't prepared.
Speaker 2: You know, normally, this is a cat.
Speaker 3: This is a huge, probably the biggest political story that
Speaker 3: many of these political reporters have ever followed or covered.
Speaker 3: So when a big story is dropping like this, you know,
Speaker 3: the big guns, all the big three network you know,
Speaker 3: the anchors, they rushed to the studios and they get
Speaker 3: in place and they take over the coverage because this
Speaker 3: is huge.
Speaker 2: This is what journalists live for, these types of stories.
Speaker 3: And when we turned on to each one of the networks,
Speaker 3: none of the network stars were in place.
Speaker 2: No one was ready.
Speaker 1: And that's not and again this is not a criticism
Speaker 1: we're making it, but an observation being where we were from.
Speaker 1: This is the biggest story of the year, and there
Speaker 1: is some potential. You can say there's some top five
Speaker 1: candidates out there, but this is absolutely one will be
Speaker 1: one of the biggest. And it hit and we did.
Speaker 1: We went through every single network looking and no one
Speaker 1: had I don't even want to say a B team
Speaker 1: type of situation, but you know who the network stars are,
Speaker 1: and it looks like folks weren't in place, and then
Speaker 1: for hours and hours they weren't ready, still weren't in place.
Speaker 1: But for Americans keeping on with the news, don't know
Speaker 1: if that matters, but that was our observation at the time.
Speaker 1: But this it didn't seem like we were on standby,
Speaker 1: if you will, for this news to come.
Speaker 3: And you know, you always wonder how this news will come.
Speaker 3: And so for the president to choose x formally known
Speaker 3: as Twitter, that also, I think shook.
Speaker 2: A lot of people too.
Speaker 3: And he had he posted the letter that he wrote
Speaker 3: to the American people saying that he will address it
Speaker 3: publicly in a speech later this week, so we can
Speaker 3: anticipate that, but it was an unusual way to even
Speaker 3: release the news that he was dropping out of the
Speaker 3: presidential race.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what that was like. And when we
Speaker 1: got the news, I felt, I don't know, it was
Speaker 1: almost a air came out, as if I felt a
Speaker 1: little deflated, but almost a sigh of relief for him.
Speaker 1: To a certain degree, every move he made over the
Speaker 1: past three weeks was scrutinized as he's an old man
Speaker 1: and his mind isn't sharp, So I hate this is
Speaker 1: a guy who has fifty years in public office and
Speaker 1: public service. You don't want them to go out this way.
Speaker 1: But maybe it could have been worse down the road,
Speaker 1: who knows, But just you hate it for the guy,
Speaker 1: for his family. Who knows what was You can only
Speaker 1: imagine behind the scenes.
Speaker 3: It was sad because he obviously then went on a
Speaker 3: pr campaign, being interviewed by all the major networks, and
Speaker 3: it just didn't do anything to move the needle. And
Speaker 3: in fact, anyone's on social media, you can see the
Speaker 3: memes that had been made by even some of those interviews,
Speaker 3: and so it's just got to be excruciating. Again, as
Speaker 3: you point out, with his fifty years of service, his
Speaker 3: dedication to this country. You know, you want to go
Speaker 3: out on top of this one stings a lot, and
Speaker 3: you know he wanted to fight the fight, but it
Speaker 3: just he knew a certain point, he just didn't have
Speaker 3: the support.
Speaker 1: I didn't have the support. I mean, his statements didn't
Speaker 1: say anything. I mean his statement goes I think a
Speaker 1: couple of paragraphs in depth about his accomplishments before he
Speaker 1: says it's right for me to step aside. But they
Speaker 1: were arguing for the past couple of weeks, certainly that
Speaker 1: this guy is sharp and he was ready and he's
Speaker 1: a fighter. And President Obama put out a statement saying,
Speaker 1: this is what this guy does. He fights, and I
Speaker 1: can't imagine what this process was like for him, because
Speaker 1: that's where we know Joe always He's been getting hit
Speaker 1: his whole life, hasn't he And he keeps getting up
Speaker 1: and this is I don't know, this is just one
Speaker 1: he couldn't overcome.
Speaker 3: My guy, Yeah, and I think you could look at
Speaker 3: it as the brave thing to do, the right thing
Speaker 3: to do, was to step aside. And then he thirty
Speaker 3: minutes after the original statement that was put out, he
Speaker 3: then decided to formally and officially endorse his vice president
Speaker 3: to Kamala Harris. And so that was another big, big
Speaker 3: headline that everyone jumped on. And so we heard then
Speaker 3: from the Glintons and from you know, so you're starting
Speaker 3: to see prominent Democrats now come out and endorse Kamala Harris.
Speaker 3: But that does not mean that she is going to
Speaker 3: be the Democratic nominee. There are a lot of ifs
Speaker 3: and what ifs and what may happen. There isn't really
Speaker 3: precedent for this.
Speaker 1: It's and here we go, right, you have some Republicans
Speaker 1: already now calling for they want President Biden to resign,
Speaker 1: right if you can't continue to be a candidate. So
Speaker 1: that's that you throw that into the mix of Now
Speaker 1: Democrats are they going to coalesce? Are they going to
Speaker 1: come together now around one candidate and not make this
Speaker 1: a competition because it could become a competition. And the
Speaker 1: Clinton's endorsed. But President Obama and his statement seem to
Speaker 1: well he didn't endorse for sure, but he seemed to
Speaker 1: suggest that the Democratic Party is now about to put
Speaker 1: together a fair process moving forward. So that made a
Speaker 1: few eyebrows go up. Is this president calling for a
Speaker 1: fair convention, and is this one over here saying hey,
Speaker 1: let's just all get behind.
Speaker 3: Because right because, and we can find out which direction
Speaker 3: the Democrats are headed in within a pretty quick period
Speaker 3: of time, because they have what's called a virtual role call,
Speaker 3: and right now it's scheduled for early August.
Speaker 1: Where what don't you say right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because everything could change. We know that.
Speaker 3: And in fact, actually it's interesting we already know and
Speaker 3: these types of headlines will keep rolling in that the
Speaker 3: Tennessee delegation has already chosen to vote for Kamala Harris,
Speaker 3: but there is an actual virtual roll call that takes
Speaker 3: place where the delegates from each state then put in
Speaker 3: their votes, and so that could be, you know, an
Speaker 3: indication of where we're headed. They could also wait until
Speaker 3: the convention in Chicago, which is August nineteenth, it begins then,
Speaker 3: and actually go through a process like they did back
Speaker 3: in the olden days, where that is how they elected
Speaker 3: their nominee.
Speaker 1: We don't want that now, I say, we don't want
Speaker 1: that as a It's great theater, right, but it's been
Speaker 1: such a chaotic time. I would love to be honest
Speaker 1: with you, I would love to just see, because we've
Speaker 1: never had anything like that in our lifetimes, and that's
Speaker 1: how they used to do it. But that is the
Speaker 1: process you described. So any of you out there who
Speaker 1: went and voted for Joe by and in the primary
Speaker 1: he earned all of those delegates, well all those delegates
Speaker 1: now are up for grabs to anybody, and he can't
Speaker 1: tell anybody what to do. So everybody has a choice
Speaker 1: of what they can do and where they're going to vote,
Speaker 1: so they can all come together around Kamala, Harris or Robes.
Speaker 1: Is anybody else going to get in the race because
Speaker 1: they can't.
Speaker 3: No one has officially, but there are already names being
Speaker 3: floated out there for potential other nominees.
Speaker 1: Okay, to say the top two, I think we're thinking
Speaker 1: about the.
Speaker 3: Same Governor Gavin Newsom, of course, who by the way,
Speaker 3: said before this process started that he had sub zero interest, I.
Speaker 2: Believe was the phrase he used in running for president.
Speaker 1: So that means he's thinking about it, right, It means.
Speaker 2: That the door's open.
Speaker 3: And then the other one that caught my eye was
Speaker 3: Governor Gretchen Whitmer from Michigan.
Speaker 1: Those are two.
Speaker 3: Those are the two, and you know there are some
Speaker 3: prominent governors throughout the States. But yes, if you google this,
Speaker 3: there are already there's probably a growing list of seven
Speaker 3: folks that could potentially be in competition with Vice President
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris.
Speaker 2: But you know, I mean she was.
Speaker 3: You could make the argument a part of the ticket
Speaker 3: that won that nomination Farren Square and so that you know,
Speaker 3: there's a big argument that that should be considered or
Speaker 3: at least be a part of it. And this is
Speaker 3: a woman who has had a lot of first the
Speaker 3: first female vice president, but she would be the first
Speaker 3: black woman and the first Asian American to lead a
Speaker 3: ticket of any major political party.
Speaker 2: And that's huge, That's history, and.
Speaker 1: That is where a lot of people are arguing she
Speaker 1: can at least motivate the base in a way that
Speaker 1: maybe Joe Biden could not. Thus, others will say, you
Speaker 1: will there's some downsides to her as well, as they
Speaker 1: show in their polling. The argument now, it seems like
Speaker 1: Democrats wouldn't have the stomach for a fight, a big
Speaker 1: convention fight, or or anybody trying to take on Kamala Harris,
Speaker 1: or for the party to have the appearance of we
Speaker 1: have this woman of color as VP. She's next in line,
Speaker 1: and we're going to try to skip over her US
Speaker 1: the Democrat. That's not a good look. But it doesn't
Speaker 1: look good either if you just anoint her. And if
Speaker 1: it doesn't look like you have an open process, how
Speaker 1: are they going to find that balance?
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I wonder how much you know, And obviously
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton are two different people. But
Speaker 3: the last time a woman went up against President Trump
Speaker 3: in a presidential race, the only time that's happened, you know.
Speaker 2: Trump won the delegates.
Speaker 3: Of course we should point out Hillary Clinton did win
Speaker 3: the popular vote, but you know, I don't know if
Speaker 3: they're looking at that too. There's always a concern about
Speaker 3: can a woman beat Trump? And the polling now.
Speaker 2: Doesn't look you know that as it stands now. I
Speaker 2: think they've been running the numbers.
Speaker 3: And that was probably part of Joe Biden's He thought
Speaker 3: he was the best person to beat Trump.
Speaker 1: I mean he beat him once. Yeah, so you could
Speaker 1: always think that he had to be thinking to the
Speaker 1: very end that up into the last moment, that yes,
Speaker 1: he was going to be in this. But some reporting
Speaker 1: for Washington Posts that he did make the decision on
Speaker 1: Saturday night we're talking here on Sunday, the actual day
Speaker 1: he made the announcement, but he had made up his
Speaker 1: mind on Saturday night and didn't call the Vice president
Speaker 1: and tell her until Sunday on this day.
Speaker 2: That was pesky leaks.
Speaker 3: You tell one person, they tell one person, and then
Speaker 3: it just goes from there. But yeah, and I think
Speaker 3: there was also some mention that he still says his
Speaker 3: mental acuity is sharp and he's prepared and able to
Speaker 3: lead and continue for the next four years, but that
Speaker 3: out of COVID he got knocked him down, and he
Speaker 3: said he just physically, I think people around U said
Speaker 3: physically felt so tired and didn't know if he could
Speaker 3: physically take on the challenge of the campaign that was
Speaker 3: ahead of him.
Speaker 1: But he's had a night exhausting, just and almost disastrous. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I guess we could argue that now three and a
Speaker 1: half weeks now after that debate and he tried to
Speaker 1: do the damage control. I actually thought the ones we
Speaker 1: got a little distance, and today, you know, he gets
Speaker 1: back on track within every public he did a couple
Speaker 1: of interviews, nothing work. He did at press conference, it
Speaker 1: didn't work. He had several missteps and calling people the
Speaker 1: wrong name and just did every little thing.
Speaker 3: Oh again, some major guests calling people the wrong name.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was tough.
Speaker 3: But also think about this other this other debate is
Speaker 3: scheduled for September tenth, so he was going to be
Speaker 3: facing a second debate. Can you imagine the pressure that
Speaker 3: that would have been for him?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I can't even imagine.
Speaker 3: So that will be of interest and hopefully we'll see
Speaker 3: if that debate stands on that day, given all of
Speaker 3: the tumult and the changes, but you got to think
Speaker 3: somebody's got to be preparing for all of them.
Speaker 1: But how we haven't seen this on July twenty first,
Speaker 1: in one August twenty second is when the Democratic nominee
Speaker 1: is supposed to make a speech in Chicago in one
Speaker 1: month and a day, and we don't know who the
Speaker 1: nominee is.
Speaker 3: Right, but you got to think that people will who
Speaker 3: believe they had a shot were already prepared, like they
Speaker 3: knew that this was possible.
Speaker 1: But who's going to jump in this race?
Speaker 3: Can't?
Speaker 1: That's tough because the Democrats and the names that are
Speaker 1: out there are people who are the things are going
Speaker 1: well for right right in a prominent names who maybe
Speaker 1: just sit this one out, and then I can't imagine
Speaker 1: the Enter Party fighting anybody who would sign up for
Speaker 1: being the person that causes more tumult in the Democratic Party.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine.
Speaker 3: I think I think it's yeah, and by that reasoning alone,
Speaker 3: I think it makes sense that Kamala Harris is almost
Speaker 3: certainly going to be the nominee and we have to.
Speaker 1: And it will turn the page soon enough. But the
Speaker 1: idea of that history, yeah, matter what, that is remarkable
Speaker 1: to think.
Speaker 2: It truly is.
Speaker 3: And there is another list already forming online as well,
Speaker 3: who her, if it were Kamala, her vice presidential candidate
Speaker 3: would be. And that all has to be decided in
Speaker 3: lightening speed time. I mean, think about the vetting process
Speaker 3: that usually takes place is going to I don't know,
Speaker 3: they're going to be on hyper speed now.
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine.
Speaker 3: But some of those some of those names too were
Speaker 3: also I saw Whitmer's name on there, Kentucky Governor Andy Basher,
Speaker 3: Arizona Senator Mark Kelly, Oh yeah, I saw that name floated.
Speaker 3: A new North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper. So yeah, there's
Speaker 3: a that's a growing list as well. So so much
Speaker 3: political theater out there now that I mean, this is
Speaker 3: nothing like anything most of us have ever seen in
Speaker 3: our lifetimes and certainly in our career.
Speaker 1: Are you exhausted yet of the theater? Right?
Speaker 3: Not? Actually, this is to me, this actually feels more
Speaker 3: interesting than just the way it's been done. Like I
Speaker 3: I feel like there's now a different kind of energy.
Speaker 3: It's been sad to watch, but also potentially re energizing.
Speaker 3: You see, you know, just the gosh, the near miss
Speaker 3: with former President Trump and what that's done for the
Speaker 3: Republican Party and the enthusiasm around him, and then now
Speaker 3: you've got this dramatic change in the Democratic Party. I mean,
Speaker 3: this is like nothing I have ever missed before. And
Speaker 3: there's more to come.
Speaker 1: I'm exhausted, and I have the dates here, and I
Speaker 1: mean I am Politics is difficult enough when you just
Speaker 1: got two Canada's just duking it out. But we've had trials,
Speaker 1: mental acuity exams, we're trying to get, we got, we've
Speaker 1: got gun fire, we got.
Speaker 2: It's a lot.
Speaker 1: It's been a lot. So May thirtieth, you know what
Speaker 1: happened on May thirtieth, not far from where we sit.
Speaker 1: Trump was convicted of a thirty four.
Speaker 3: Yes, and I remember exactly where we were when we
Speaker 3: watched it happen.
Speaker 1: Thirty four felonies. This was on May thirtieth.
Speaker 2: That's insane. And look where we are now two months later.
Speaker 1: Yes, so we talk about the June twenty seventh of debate.
Speaker 1: July first, the Supreme Court grants they rule on the
Speaker 1: presidential immunity, So a win for Trump there. You move
Speaker 1: ahead to July the thirteenth, an assassination attempt. We just
Speaker 1: had the RNC. Now they got to dismiss the classified
Speaker 1: documents trial down in Florida, and now Biden is out
Speaker 1: of the race. I'm just I know, get back to
Speaker 1: normal fighting.
Speaker 2: November can't come soon enough.
Speaker 1: Oh goodness gracious. But yeah, it's going to turn now
Speaker 1: to that debate about whether they can coalesce around her.
Speaker 1: For us, what do we do? You can't vote again,
Speaker 1: there are no more primaries. Voting is not going to happen.
Speaker 1: But it really is just a matter of what happens
Speaker 1: with the Democrats. Are they going to just rally around
Speaker 1: her vote she needs. Where they have about four thousand delegates,
Speaker 1: she needs about nineteen hundred or so of them. Don't
Speaker 1: get too caught up in the math, but they could
Speaker 1: in the role call if they do it give her
Speaker 1: enough votes, and so we know going into the convention
Speaker 1: she's going to be the candidate. If we have to
Speaker 1: go into August nineteenth and she doesn't have enough delegates, that.
Speaker 3: Makes no sense for the Democratic Party. Maybe might want
Speaker 3: to speed up that virtual role call. Yeah, this is
Speaker 3: going to be a very busy political season like none
Speaker 3: we've ever seen. Just since we've been recording this podcast,
Speaker 3: the headlines just keep coming and coming. This is going
Speaker 3: to be, as you put it, in exhausting next couple
Speaker 3: of weeks and months.
Speaker 1: Okay, the headline that just surprised me. And who knows
Speaker 1: if this is true, but seeing in reporting that they
Speaker 1: have sources that someone is potentially interested in getting into
Speaker 1: the race to compete for the Democratic nomination. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: you hear that, and then you hear who it is
Speaker 1: and what's it going to take for him to get
Speaker 1: the nomination, and you it's got your head a little bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And also his age, because that was such a huge
Speaker 3: part of this campaign. How old are two options were?
Speaker 3: And certainly Joe Biden's age in his mental acuity. Senator
Speaker 3: Joe Manchin of West Virginia. He's seventy six years old
Speaker 3: and according to sources, according to CNN, is considering a
Speaker 3: run for president. He's an independent. By the way, he's
Speaker 3: not even a registered Democrat, so he would have to
Speaker 3: reregister his political affiliation to being a Democrat to even
Speaker 3: be allowed to be considered for the nomination.
Speaker 1: And a lot of people considered him a king maker
Speaker 1: but also a nuisance to a certain degree and the
Speaker 1: Senate because he but he still does caucus with the Democrats,
Speaker 1: and he oftentimes was one who could wield a lot
Speaker 1: of power and a lot of folks had to bow
Speaker 1: to his will and where his vote was going to go.
Speaker 1: So to hear that he could potentially get in the
Speaker 1: race and to be willing to, I mean, how are
Speaker 1: people going to receive a guy who's.
Speaker 3: Probably not well. But let's let's watch and see what
Speaker 3: happens with that. Also, this headline not a big surprise,
Speaker 3: and there is going to be a lot more to
Speaker 3: come with this. Trump allies already putting out attack ads
Speaker 3: against Kamala Harris in four of those battleground states, saying
Speaker 3: that she covered up Joe Biden's They say obvious mental
Speaker 3: decline because she put out statements saying that he was
Speaker 3: good to go, and she was proudly standing by him.
Speaker 3: So they are already taking they're not wasting any time
Speaker 3: taking shots at Kamala.
Speaker 1: They were ready, you know that they were ready. Those
Speaker 1: ads were ready to go as soon as this day came.
Speaker 1: And that is going to be a line of attack, folks,
Speaker 1: that you are probably going to hear pretty consistently. I'm
Speaker 1: curious how loud it's going to get. But the idea
Speaker 1: that the administration, the Biden administration, his people, his handler's
Speaker 1: him were a part of a cover up, a conspiracy
Speaker 1: to keep the condition of the president from the American people,
Speaker 1: that is going to be a big storyline, or a
Speaker 1: big line of attack, I should say. And they're going
Speaker 1: to say, you you trust her, let me tell you
Speaker 1: what she was a part of.
Speaker 3: Yes, we already saw that on Fox News earlier today.
Speaker 3: And so yes, the ads were ready to launch, and
Speaker 3: there will be many, many more of them, and that
Speaker 3: will be yes, the theme we will hear over and
Speaker 3: over again because, as you pointed out, so many of
Speaker 3: Trump's wins and this was you know, had been a
Speaker 3: very good stretch for him, had been pointing the finger
Speaker 3: at Joe Biden's mental decline.
Speaker 2: That was his big ata. So now you've got someone else,
Speaker 2: where do you go now from here?
Speaker 3: Will you attack her for knowing something that they were
Speaker 3: alleging the entire time?
Speaker 1: And this is the first time in a while that
Speaker 1: people are talking about Democrats in a potentially positive way
Speaker 1: in this election cycle, certainly since the sense of the debate.
Speaker 1: But every bit of news was negative. Every bit of
Speaker 1: news was about his decline, every bit of news about
Speaker 1: people want him, wanting him to get out. And Trump
Speaker 1: had win after when after win. Yes, he was shot,
Speaker 1: that was absolutely awful and barely escaped with his life
Speaker 1: by depending on who he asked, a millimeter or an inch.
Speaker 1: But he won court cases, he accepted the nomination, he
Speaker 1: had the big coronation, he was He just had win
Speaker 1: after win after when. And now Democrats are talking about
Speaker 1: something other than Joe Biden's decline. We were talking about
Speaker 1: now on that side having a nominee that's going to
Speaker 1: make history.
Speaker 3: So the attack ads will grow and they will be vicious.
Speaker 3: And we already heard Trump as well on social media.
Speaker 3: He did not waste any time jumping in and reacting
Speaker 3: to Joe Biden's decision to drop out of the race.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he was ready as well.
Speaker 3: And again more to come on that one. That is
Speaker 3: not going to be any surprise. And one of the
Speaker 3: other headlines we heard Jill Biden, she just reportedly said
Speaker 3: that she stands with whatever her husband decides, and she
Speaker 3: had told him that from the beginning that she was
Speaker 3: there to support him and was not trying to have
Speaker 3: any weight on his decision. She just said she was
Speaker 3: standing by his side and would help him throughout whatever
Speaker 3: decision he made. So we're just we'll hear more from her.
Speaker 3: I'm sure once she makes some more public appearances. She's
Speaker 3: scheduled to go to Paris later in the week. She'll
Speaker 3: be representing the White House at the Olympics, so I'm
Speaker 3: sure she will be faced with some questions and will
Speaker 3: have some.
Speaker 2: More to say.
Speaker 1: You know she has, I mean, you can only imagine,
Speaker 1: but he said she has always been his closest adviser,
Speaker 1: and so I know she was a part of and
Speaker 1: you know, it's one thing, it's close advisers and all
Speaker 1: these political folks he has around him. I am sure
Speaker 1: he said things to her that he hadn't said to
Speaker 1: anybody else on the planet. I am sure she knows
Speaker 1: things about this decision and what went into it that
Speaker 1: nobody else will ever understand, and she has been by
Speaker 1: all accounts. I mean, it doesn't matter. I mean the
Speaker 1: job of the first lady. Sometimes I say it's thankless.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I think it's ceremonial. But she is, I guess
Speaker 1: adds to a long list of first ladies that I
Speaker 1: would applaud, and the line of first ladies. A lot
Speaker 1: of people fantasy is that Michelle Obama would jump into
Speaker 1: the race. There is no indication anywhere, anywhere, in any
Speaker 1: corner that I have seen or heard publicly or priat
Speaker 1: that is on the table. And you know what, she
Speaker 1: seems way too smart for that.
Speaker 3: Well she shout it down and I believed her like
Speaker 3: and every time she has. You know, sometimes we always
Speaker 3: laugh when politicians say I don't have any you know,
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm going to run. They always leave
Speaker 3: a door open. She shut it, closed it, locked it
Speaker 3: dead bolted it.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's not happening.
Speaker 1: So Kamala Harris, which is who is now getting support.
Speaker 1: Some delegates are coming out from members of DNC, coming
Speaker 1: out and put a letter together saying officially they do
Speaker 1: support her. You will see more and more of that
Speaker 1: if you forget politics for a second, if you just
Speaker 1: love your country and are proud of your country, forget
Speaker 1: politics and what you think about people's stances on this,
Speaker 1: and that you can't deny that. It's just cool to
Speaker 1: see your country progress to a point where we had
Speaker 1: a black man as president not too terribly long ago,
Speaker 1: that was the first, and potentially could have the first
Speaker 1: woman president. You'll have the first woman to get the
Speaker 1: Democratic nomination, all this potential history. That part is just cool.
Speaker 1: That's not a political statement. That is only a matter
Speaker 1: of watching and going wow, I guess we're getting somewhere here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, finally, it's been a long time. Yes, not only
Speaker 3: would she be the first woman, obviously, she would be
Speaker 3: the first black woman, the first Asian American.
Speaker 1: And I think that's going to excite a lot of people.
Speaker 1: The idea of it who already or behind maybe the
Speaker 1: ticket of the Biden Harris ticket. Still, the idea of
Speaker 1: being a part of that movement, that history a younger
Speaker 1: group is going to be appealing to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: So it's just that's no matter what, you're proud of
Speaker 1: your country when you see history made agreed.
Speaker 3: Although I do you know, you do wonder and not
Speaker 3: to be the synec here or to be Debbie Downer,
Speaker 3: but I'm going to throw this out there because Joe
Speaker 3: Biden made a very difficult, hard decision. And I know
Speaker 3: he said publicly and reiterated that he thought he was
Speaker 3: the best person to defeat Donald Trump. So he steps
Speaker 3: aside to day among so much pressure out there from
Speaker 3: his colleagues, and he endorses Kamala Harris. Now, what happens
Speaker 3: if Kamala Harris doesn't win? And what does Joe Biden?
Speaker 3: What do Democrats feel about their decision to pressure him
Speaker 3: to step down and to endorse Kamala Harris. So you've
Speaker 3: got all these potential first, but you've also you know,
Speaker 3: you wonder what will happen to the party and to
Speaker 3: all of those decisions if it turns out Trump wins.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's there's no guarantee. I mean, it's this
Speaker 1: sounds outside of politics and just life that does the
Speaker 1: result still mean does whether or not his decision was
Speaker 1: a good, good one? Hinge on whether or not the
Speaker 1: result is the one he thinks it should be. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think there's a chance that Joe Biden
Speaker 1: still thinks he's the best guy to take on Trump.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's changed at all, probably in his mind,
Speaker 1: do you know.
Speaker 3: I think he felt like when he got so much
Speaker 3: pressure from so many folks, I think he felt like
Speaker 3: it was the right thing to do for the party.
Speaker 3: But I don't know that he thinks it was the
Speaker 3: right thing to do for the country.
Speaker 1: So we shall see. So, Yes, it's very possible that
Speaker 1: she wins, he trounces, She gives the Democrats a better chance.
Speaker 1: There's a good chance she gets trounced worse than Biden. Ever, Yeah,
Speaker 1: can imagine. I don't know. But does that mean it's
Speaker 1: a bad call, a bad choice? At this point? Some
Speaker 1: would argue, is Trump even going to be beatable by
Speaker 1: either one of those candidates? And you got to consider
Speaker 1: she still has a decision a vice president to make.
Speaker 1: That's going to be another big moment in this campaign.
Speaker 3: We'll be watching, We'll be sharing our thoughts with you.
Speaker 3: I just guess we should all buckle up.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's gonna be a ride this year, folks. We
Speaker 1: will be along with you here at iHeart for this
Speaker 1: crazy political ride. We're going to be hearing from Biden,
Speaker 1: he said, We're gonna hear at some point this week,
Speaker 1: so of course we'll find a way we'll end up
Speaker 1: talking about that as well. But we appreciate you always
Speaker 1: for spending some time with us. You can catch us
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