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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, that debate was just twenty four days ago,

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Speaker 1: and just like that, now Joe Biden is out of

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Speaker 1: the race. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes.

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Speaker 1: It was not that long ago. How much has happened

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Speaker 1: in three weeks and a couple of days. Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: will not be seeking a second term.

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Speaker 2: And it was shockingly shocking.

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Speaker 3: I think maybe that's the best way to describe it,

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Speaker 3: because I think a lot of people, if you were

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Speaker 3: following any of the news, we're anticipating this as we

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Speaker 3: saw more and more Democrats publicly privately leaked by sources

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Speaker 3: asking the president to step aside for the good of

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Speaker 3: the party, and so we were all kind of waiting,

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Speaker 3: and yet still when the news came on Sunday one

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Speaker 3: caught everyone off guard.

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Speaker 1: Well they had to. I mean, can you imagine everything

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Speaker 1: leaks these days. Imagine what they were doing trying to

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Speaker 1: keep this quiet. But he had some of his aids,

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Speaker 1: not just surrogates, some of his aids out there on

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Speaker 1: television just this weekend, almost pounding the table of He's

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Speaker 1: not going anywhere, which you're hearing nope, he's full steam ahead.

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Speaker 1: So some of that and then some of the writing

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Speaker 1: was on the wall and a lot of people were

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Speaker 1: saying he had to make a decision this weekend, just

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Speaker 1: the timing of some things that are coming up that

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Speaker 1: we'll get into. But still, you're right, that's a good

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Speaker 1: way you put it. At the top, it was shockingly

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Speaker 1: like why are we shocked by this? But still it

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Speaker 1: just a jolt that he's not in this race anymore.

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Speaker 3: We got the news and quickly turned on the TV

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Speaker 3: and we were actually another I think good way to

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Speaker 3: look at it, why it was so shocking or just

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Speaker 3: that it was that is it seems that the networks

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Speaker 3: weren't prepared.

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Speaker 2: You know, normally, this is a cat.

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Speaker 3: This is a huge, probably the biggest political story that

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Speaker 3: many of these political reporters have ever followed or covered.

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Speaker 3: So when a big story is dropping like this, you know,

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Speaker 3: the big guns, all the big three network you know,

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Speaker 2: This is what journalists live for, these types of stories.

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Speaker 3: And when we turned on to each one of the networks,

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Speaker 3: none of the network stars were in place.

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Speaker 2: No one was ready.

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Speaker 1: And that's not and again this is not a criticism

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Speaker 1: we're making it, but an observation being where we were from.

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Speaker 1: This is the biggest story of the year, and there

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Speaker 1: is some potential. You can say there's some top five

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Speaker 1: one of the biggest. And it hit and we did.

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Speaker 1: We went through every single network looking and no one

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Speaker 1: had I don't even want to say a B team

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Speaker 1: type of situation, but you know who the network stars are,

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Speaker 1: and it looks like folks weren't in place, and then

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Speaker 1: for hours and hours they weren't ready, still weren't in place.

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Speaker 1: But for Americans keeping on with the news, don't know

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Speaker 1: if that matters, but that was our observation at the time.

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Speaker 1: But this it didn't seem like we were on standby,

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Speaker 3: And you know, you always wonder how this news will come.

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Speaker 3: And so for the president to choose x formally known

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Speaker 2: A lot of people too.

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Speaker 3: And he had he posted the letter that he wrote

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine what that was like. And when we

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Speaker 1: To a certain degree, every move he made over the

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Speaker 1: But maybe it could have been worse down the road,

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Speaker 1: who knows, But just you hate it for the guy,

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Speaker 3: It was sad because he obviously then went on a

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Speaker 3: and so it's just got to be excruciating. Again, as

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Speaker 3: you know he wanted to fight the fight, but it

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Speaker 3: just he knew a certain point, he just didn't have

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Speaker 1: I didn't have the support. I mean, his statements didn't

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Speaker 1: says it's right for me to step aside. But they

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Speaker 1: a fighter. And President Obama put out a statement saying,

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Speaker 1: can't imagine what this process was like for him, because

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Speaker 1: that's where we know Joe always He's been getting hit

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Speaker 1: his whole life, hasn't he And he keeps getting up

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Speaker 1: and this is I don't know, this is just one

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Speaker 3: My guy, Yeah, and I think you could look at

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Speaker 3: it as the brave thing to do, the right thing

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Speaker 3: then decided to formally and officially endorse his vice president

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Speaker 3: to Kamala Harris. And so that was another big, big

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Speaker 3: from the Glintons and from you know, so you're starting

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Speaker 3: to see prominent Democrats now come out and endorse Kamala Harris.

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Speaker 3: But that does not mean that she is going to

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Speaker 3: and what ifs and what may happen. There isn't really

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Speaker 1: It's and here we go, right, you have some Republicans

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Speaker 1: already now calling for they want President Biden to resign,

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Speaker 1: right if you can't continue to be a candidate. So

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Speaker 1: Clinton's endorsed. But President Obama and his statement seem to

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Speaker 1: well he didn't endorse for sure, but he seemed to

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Speaker 3: Because right because, and we can find out which direction

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Speaker 3: of time, because they have what's called a virtual role call,

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Speaker 3: and right now it's scheduled for early August.

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Speaker 1: Where what don't you say right now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because everything could change. We know that.

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Speaker 3: And in fact, actually it's interesting we already know and

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Speaker 3: these types of headlines will keep rolling in that the

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Speaker 3: Tennessee delegation has already chosen to vote for Kamala Harris,

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Speaker 3: but there is an actual virtual roll call that takes

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Speaker 3: indication of where we're headed. They could also wait until

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Speaker 3: the convention in Chicago, which is August nineteenth, it begins then,

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Speaker 3: and actually go through a process like they did back

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Speaker 1: We don't want that now, I say, we don't want

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Speaker 1: that as a It's great theater, right, but it's been

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Speaker 1: such a chaotic time. I would love to be honest

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Speaker 1: never had anything like that in our lifetimes, and that's

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Speaker 1: how they used to do it. But that is the

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Speaker 1: process you described. So any of you out there who

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Speaker 1: he earned all of those delegates, well all those delegates

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Speaker 1: now are up for grabs to anybody, and he can't

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Speaker 1: tell anybody what to do. So everybody has a choice

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Speaker 1: so they can all come together around Kamala, Harris or Robes.

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Speaker 1: Is anybody else going to get in the race because

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Speaker 3: No one has officially, but there are already names being

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Speaker 1: Okay, to say the top two, I think we're thinking

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Speaker 3: Same Governor Gavin Newsom, of course, who by the way,

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Speaker 3: said before this process started that he had sub zero interest, I.

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Speaker 2: Believe was the phrase he used in running for president.

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Speaker 1: So that means he's thinking about it, right, It means.

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Speaker 2: That the door's open.

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Speaker 3: And then the other one that caught my eye was

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Speaker 1: Those are two.

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Speaker 3: Those are the two, and you know there are some

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Speaker 3: prominent governors throughout the States. But yes, if you google this,

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Speaker 3: there are already there's probably a growing list of seven

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Speaker 2: But you know, I mean she was.

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Speaker 3: You could make the argument a part of the ticket

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Speaker 3: there's a big argument that that should be considered or

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Speaker 3: a woman who has had a lot of first the

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Speaker 2: And that's huge, That's history, and.

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Speaker 1: That is where a lot of people are arguing she

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Speaker 1: will there's some downsides to her as well, as they

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Speaker 1: show in their polling. The argument now, it seems like

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Speaker 1: or for the party to have the appearance of we

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Speaker 1: have this woman of color as VP. She's next in line,

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Speaker 1: and we're going to try to skip over her US

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Speaker 1: the Democrat. That's not a good look. But it doesn't

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Speaker 1: look good either if you just anoint her. And if

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Speaker 1: it doesn't look like you have an open process, how

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Speaker 1: are they going to find that balance?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I wonder how much you know, And obviously

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Speaker 3: Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton are two different people. But

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Speaker 3: the last time a woman went up against President Trump

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Speaker 2: Trump won the delegates.

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Speaker 3: Of course we should point out Hillary Clinton did win

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Speaker 3: can a woman beat Trump? And the polling now.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't look you know that as it stands now. I

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Speaker 3: standing by his side and would help him throughout whatever

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Speaker 3: decision he made. So we're just we'll hear more from her.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure once she makes some more public appearances. She's

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Speaker 3: scheduled to go to Paris later in the week. She'll

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Speaker 3: be representing the White House at the Olympics, so I'm

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Speaker 3: sure she will be faced with some questions and will

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Speaker 3: have some.

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Speaker 2: More to say.

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Speaker 1: You know she has, I mean, you can only imagine,

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Speaker 1: but he said she has always been his closest adviser,

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Speaker 1: and so I know she was a part of and

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Speaker 1: you know, it's one thing, it's close advisers and all

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Speaker 1: these political folks he has around him. I am sure

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Speaker 1: he said things to her that he hadn't said to

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Speaker 1: anybody else on the planet. I am sure she knows

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Speaker 1: things about this decision and what went into it that

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Speaker 1: nobody else will ever understand, and she has been by

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Speaker 1: all accounts. I mean, it doesn't matter. I mean the

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Speaker 1: job of the first lady. Sometimes I say it's thankless.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I think it's ceremonial. But she is, I guess

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Speaker 1: adds to a long list of first ladies that I

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Speaker 1: would applaud, and the line of first ladies. A lot

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Speaker 1: of people fantasy is that Michelle Obama would jump into

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Speaker 1: the race. There is no indication anywhere, anywhere, in any

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Speaker 1: corner that I have seen or heard publicly or priat

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Speaker 1: that is on the table. And you know what, she

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Speaker 1: seems way too smart for that.

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Speaker 3: Well she shout it down and I believed her like

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Speaker 3: and every time she has. You know, sometimes we always

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Speaker 3: laugh when politicians say I don't have any you know,

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Speaker 3: I don't think I'm going to run. They always leave

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Speaker 3: a door open. She shut it, closed it, locked it

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Speaker 3: dead bolted it.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's not happening.

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Speaker 1: So Kamala Harris, which is who is now getting support.

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Speaker 1: Some delegates are coming out from members of DNC, coming

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Speaker 1: out and put a letter together saying officially they do

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Speaker 1: support her. You will see more and more of that

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Speaker 1: if you forget politics for a second, if you just

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Speaker 1: love your country and are proud of your country, forget

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Speaker 1: politics and what you think about people's stances on this,

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Speaker 1: and that you can't deny that. It's just cool to

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Speaker 1: see your country progress to a point where we had

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Speaker 1: a black man as president not too terribly long ago,

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Speaker 1: that was the first, and potentially could have the first

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Speaker 1: woman president. You'll have the first woman to get the

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Speaker 1: Democratic nomination, all this potential history. That part is just cool.

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Speaker 1: That's not a political statement. That is only a matter

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Speaker 1: of watching and going wow, I guess we're getting somewhere here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, finally, it's been a long time. Yes, not only

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Speaker 3: would she be the first woman, obviously, she would be

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Speaker 3: the first black woman, the first Asian American.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's going to excite a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: The idea of it who already or behind maybe the

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Speaker 1: ticket of the Biden Harris ticket. Still, the idea of

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Speaker 1: being a part of that movement, that history a younger

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Speaker 1: group is going to be appealing to a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: So it's just that's no matter what, you're proud of

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Speaker 1: your country when you see history made agreed.

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Speaker 3: Although I do you know, you do wonder and not

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Speaker 3: to be the synec here or to be Debbie Downer,

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Speaker 3: but I'm going to throw this out there because Joe

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Speaker 3: Biden made a very difficult, hard decision. And I know

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Speaker 3: he said publicly and reiterated that he thought he was

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Speaker 3: the best person to defeat Donald Trump. So he steps

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Speaker 3: aside to day among so much pressure out there from

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Speaker 3: his colleagues, and he endorses Kamala Harris. Now, what happens

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Speaker 3: if Kamala Harris doesn't win? And what does Joe Biden?

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Speaker 3: What do Democrats feel about their decision to pressure him

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Speaker 3: to step down and to endorse Kamala Harris. So you've

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Speaker 3: got all these potential first, but you've also you know,

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Speaker 3: you wonder what will happen to the party and to

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Speaker 3: all of those decisions if it turns out Trump wins.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's there's no guarantee. I mean, it's this

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Speaker 1: sounds outside of politics and just life that does the

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Speaker 1: result still mean does whether or not his decision was

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Speaker 1: a good, good one? Hinge on whether or not the

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Speaker 1: result is the one he thinks it should be. I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I think there's a chance that Joe Biden

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Speaker 1: still thinks he's the best guy to take on Trump.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's changed at all, probably in his mind,

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Speaker 1: do you know.

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Speaker 3: I think he felt like when he got so much

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Speaker 3: pressure from so many folks, I think he felt like

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Speaker 3: it was the right thing to do for the party.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know that he thinks it was the

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Speaker 3: right thing to do for the country.

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Speaker 1: So we shall see. So, Yes, it's very possible that

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Speaker 1: she wins, he trounces, She gives the Democrats a better chance.

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Speaker 1: There's a good chance she gets trounced worse than Biden. Ever, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: can imagine. I don't know. But does that mean it's

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Speaker 1: a bad call, a bad choice? At this point? Some

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Speaker 1: would argue, is Trump even going to be beatable by

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Speaker 1: either one of those candidates? And you got to consider

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Speaker 1: she still has a decision a vice president to make.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be another big moment in this campaign.

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Speaker 3: We'll be watching, We'll be sharing our thoughts with you.

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Speaker 3: I just guess we should all buckle up.

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Speaker 1: Yes, it's gonna be a ride this year, folks. We

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Speaker 1: will be along with you here at iHeart for this

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Speaker 1: crazy political ride. We're going to be hearing from Biden,

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Speaker 1: he said, We're gonna hear at some point this week,

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Speaker 1: so of course we'll find a way we'll end up

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Speaker 1: talking about that as well. But we appreciate you always

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Speaker 1: for spending some time with us. You can catch us

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