WEBVTT - Evan McMorris-Santoro & Ed Luce

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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<v Speaker 1>where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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<v Speaker 1>today's best minds. And the percentage of voters with significant

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<v Speaker 1>levels of confidence in the Supreme Court has dropped to

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<v Speaker 1>its lowest point since NBC began polling on this question

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand. Just twenty two percent of respondents say

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<v Speaker 1>they have confidence in the Court. We have such a

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<v Speaker 1>great show for you today. Notice his own Evan mc morris.

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<v Speaker 1>Santoro steps by to talk about the hopefully doomed Save Act.

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<v Speaker 1>Then we'll talk to Financial Times and loose about what

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<v Speaker 1>the Iranian war means for Americans at home. But first

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<v Speaker 1>the news.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Molly, big big news out of Marjorie Taylor Green's

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<v Speaker 2>district last night, an election where the Democrat got more votes,

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<v Speaker 2>which everybody was told could never happen in that But

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<v Speaker 2>there's some people saying, if you give to this Democrat

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<v Speaker 2>for this frontoff, you're an idiot. We need this money

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<v Speaker 2>for the Senate races. I'm curious what you think, but

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<v Speaker 2>it really does feel like Dems can't stop winning.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So I was on my way home from something.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, let's check in at that special election

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<v Speaker 1>for Marjorie Taylor Green seat, which is like a ruby

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<v Speaker 1>red district. I mean, there's a reason that that is

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<v Speaker 1>the district that sent Marjorie Taylor Green to Congress. Right

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish space lasers qan one. You'll remember she used to

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<v Speaker 1>not be so refined. So I looked at it and

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<v Speaker 1>I thought the Democrat would be losing by less than

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<v Speaker 1>what the Democrats historically lose by in that district, and

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, the Democrat was winning. Now this advances to

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<v Speaker 1>a runoff because there are multiple candidates. It were multiple

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<v Speaker 1>Republican candidates, and that is how the Democrat got more votes.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I think a Democrat will win Marjorie Taylor Green's seat, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I do not. But why this is relevant is because

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<v Speaker 1>this is a seat that Donald Trump endorsed to candidate.

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<v Speaker 1>The candidate did not immediately win. That is important. That

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<v Speaker 1>is an important data point because it means that Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is a president who has a cult of personality

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<v Speaker 1>around him. That means he can do things like do

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<v Speaker 1>things that are not what he ran for president on,

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<v Speaker 1>if that makes sense. So he does things like he

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<v Speaker 1>goes to war when saying he's against wars, but his

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<v Speaker 1>cult of personality only works if there's a cult, and

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<v Speaker 1>the fact that he could not get this Republican in

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<v Speaker 1>a Ruby red district over the finish line means that

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<v Speaker 1>the cult is not as powerful as it's been previously,

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<v Speaker 1>and that means that trump Ism is not as powerful

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<v Speaker 1>as it was, and that is a very good sign

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<v Speaker 1>for Democrats. So should you pour all your money into

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<v Speaker 1>a special election in a Ruby red district. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think it's the best use of your cash. I think

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<v Speaker 1>you're better off giving money to Shared Brand in Ohio.

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<v Speaker 1>I even think you're better off giving money to Marry Perota.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think this is the best use of your cash.

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<v Speaker 1>But if you want to throw a little cash that way,

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<v Speaker 1>you're certainly welcome to. It will go to a runoff,

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<v Speaker 1>and the point again with these runoffs is that it

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<v Speaker 1>means that the Republicans have to spend more money. And

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<v Speaker 1>just like the Texas Senate primary runoff, which we talk

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<v Speaker 1>about later, these runoffs are good because they make Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>spend Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And the list of how many times though Democrats, because

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<v Speaker 2>particularly last night, they flipped a district in New Hampshire,

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<v Speaker 2>this list is just so impressive and really gives a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of hope. And I know we like to be

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<v Speaker 2>reminded since you and I can get a little down

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<v Speaker 2>at times, and we have to remember things are going

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<v Speaker 2>well when we hit the ballot box.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I'm going to just read a few of

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<v Speaker 1>these numbers so people can see these special legislative flips.

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<v Speaker 1>This is from interactive polls. So Texas's state District nine

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<v Speaker 1>was over performance by a Democrat by thirty two points.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you think about that, if you think about

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<v Speaker 1>thirty two points would mean the entire map flips to Democrats.

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<v Speaker 1>We had. Mississippi's House District twenty two was a D

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<v Speaker 1>plus eight, which means that Democrats overperformed by eight points.

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<v Speaker 1>That's still is humongous. Now, will the midterms be like

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<v Speaker 1>special elections? It's possible, But it does mean that if

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<v Speaker 1>you could get showings like this, you could do You

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<v Speaker 1>could flip the House, you could flip this Senate. Will

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<v Speaker 1>we I don't want to say no, but I certainly

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<v Speaker 1>know that Donald Trump is pushing really hard for the

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<v Speaker 1>Save Act and there's only one reason for.

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<v Speaker 2>That, yep. So we try to keep it domestic policy here,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think it becomes very relevant to domestic policy

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<v Speaker 2>when we start talking about the cover ups at home

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<v Speaker 2>and Trump is pretending a tomahawk missile we sent didn't

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<v Speaker 2>hit a girls school that killed one hundred and seventy

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<v Speaker 2>five people. Molly, do you have any interest in hearing

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<v Speaker 2>how bad his defense of this was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I actually heard his defense of this because I

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<v Speaker 1>watched the press conference.

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<v Speaker 2>Well and I play for the listeners.

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<v Speaker 3>Then, Yeah, you just suggested that Aron somehow got its

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<v Speaker 3>hands on a tomahawk and bombed its own elementary school

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<v Speaker 3>on the first day of the war. But you're the

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<v Speaker 3>person in your government saying this. Even your Defense secretary

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't say that when he was asked standing over your

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<v Speaker 3>shoulder on your plane on Saturday. Why are you the

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<v Speaker 3>only person saying this?

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<v Speaker 4>Because I just don't know enough about it. I think

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<v Speaker 4>it's something that I was told is under investigation. But

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<v Speaker 4>tomahawks are used by others, as you know, numerous other

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<v Speaker 4>nations have tomahawks they buy him from US. But I

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<v Speaker 4>will certainly whatever the report shows. I'm willing to live

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<v Speaker 4>with that report.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's nice that he's willing to live with it, But.

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<v Speaker 2>It turns out the report showed it that it's our fault.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I think it was pretty clear that this

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<v Speaker 1>was going to come out being our fault because tomahawks

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<v Speaker 1>are our missiles and we were in a fight. The

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<v Speaker 1>other side didn't have them. And so when you saw

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<v Speaker 1>Pete head sth unable to defend, you know, their only

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<v Speaker 1>job is North Korean sycophants. And so the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>he couldn't defend it was really a moment to take

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<v Speaker 1>a pause and know that he probably knew, and probably

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<v Speaker 1>this weekend they knew that it was theirs, and Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump still kept going defending it.

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<v Speaker 2>So Molly, I really love when Republicans just give up

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<v Speaker 2>on trying to defend Trump's ridiculous policies. I mean, he

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<v Speaker 2>does put them in a place I would personally not

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<v Speaker 2>like to be. But when Senator Roger Marshall says freedom

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<v Speaker 2>isn't free, about why you're about to pay double for gas,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just chef's kiss.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So this is the new message. The message last

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<v Speaker 1>week was we're not at war. Everything is fine this

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<v Speaker 1>week because gas is you know, teetering at one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>dollars of farrell. I think it went down, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>still quite expensive. Now they have to say something because

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<v Speaker 1>they've learned that the worst thing you can do is

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<v Speaker 1>be like nobody cares. Don't be a cock.

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<v Speaker 2>That would make a great ladside BALI you should copyright

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<v Speaker 2>that immediately.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's true. I mean, like, you know, we've seen

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<v Speaker 1>and look, this is a problem the Biden administration had

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<v Speaker 1>too write m h. Don't tell them the economy is good.

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<v Speaker 1>If they can't afford eggs. They don't want to hear that.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is this new Republican pivot. And the thing

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<v Speaker 1>they say now is short term pain for long term gain. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to point out, nobody knows why we are

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<v Speaker 1>in this war to begin with, so the gain would

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<v Speaker 1>be that what the gain would be more war in

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle East, killing a bunch of girls in a school.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what's the gain here? Because I don't see

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<v Speaker 1>any gain right there in my mind. I understand that

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<v Speaker 1>Saudi Arabia and Israel both wanted America to go into this,

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<v Speaker 1>but I see no gain anyway. The new thing short

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<v Speaker 1>term pain for long term gain, which means they know

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be a summer of high gas prices. Luckily,

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<v Speaker 1>this administration has funded so much solar and wind just

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<v Speaker 1>kidding anyway, I don't know what to tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, even de incentivized electric cars. Great stuff. So,

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<v Speaker 2>speaking of defending the indefensible, the queen of it, Carolyn

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<v Speaker 2>Levitt had to admit today that the Save Act will

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<v Speaker 2>make it harder for married.

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<v Speaker 5>Women to vote.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, I'm shocked. I didn't know she was

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to admit things. But yes, she accidentally admitted what

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<v Speaker 1>opponents of the Act have long warned against. She's that

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<v Speaker 1>married women will need to update their identification documentation in

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<v Speaker 1>order to vote if the Save America Act passes Congress.

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<v Speaker 1>According to White House Press Secretary Carolyn Levitt, look Levitt,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things I love about her is nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>But I am impressed that she really does double down.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, how dare you? Press? And Trump is the handsomest, youngest,

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<v Speaker 1>most virile anyway, All of this Save Act is to

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<v Speaker 1>make it so that people can't vote, so that Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump doesn't get impeached, so that they don't lose the House.

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<v Speaker 1>Because he knows that if Democrats retake the House, donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump is getting impeached. Now will he get removed? Probably not.

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<v Speaker 1>They probably don't have sixty votes to get rid of him.

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<v Speaker 1>In the Senate. But his life is going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a trial after trial after trial after trial. You probably

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<v Speaker 1>will be that anyway, but you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, one trial after another.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all right. We have exciting news over at our

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube channel. The third episode is out now from our

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<v Speaker 1>series Project twenty twenty nine, Reimagining, where we examine what

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<v Speaker 1>went wrong with democrats approach to policy and how we

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<v Speaker 1>can correct it and deliver changes for the American people.

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<v Speaker 1>The first episodes dove into campaign finance, reform, anti trust

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<v Speaker 1>and regulation. Our newest episode is on how we solidify

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<v Speaker 1>reproductive rights for women. We talk to the smartest names

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<v Speaker 1>in the field like Abortion every Day is Jessica Valenti,

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<v Speaker 1>the Center for Reproductive Rights, Nancy Northam, UCLA, is oh

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<v Speaker 1>and Mary Ziegler, and the gout Macher Institute's Kelly Badden.

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans were prepared for when they got the levers of power.

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats need to be too. So please head over to

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<v Speaker 1>McMorris Santorro is a reporter at Notice.

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<v Speaker 5>Evan Mallie, how are you.

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<v Speaker 1>So great, so good? So Evan, we need to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the Save Act. Donald Trump has decided that because

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<v Speaker 1>he cannot wait. I mean, basically this is he looked

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<v Speaker 1>at the polls and he was like, I'm gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>him paged again. He looked at his thirty five thirty

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<v Speaker 1>six favorability rating and was like, we gotta make it

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<v Speaker 1>harder to vote because otherwise we're all in a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of trouble.

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<v Speaker 6>Discuss Well, I think that what's going on with this,

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<v Speaker 6>right is he has a long term project heading into

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<v Speaker 6>these mid terms to really question the way elections work

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<v Speaker 6>in the country. I mean, you know, he has active

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<v Speaker 6>investigations going on in Georgia and Arizona, the places that

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<v Speaker 6>he lost in twenty twenty and then still sort of

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<v Speaker 6>carrying a torch for saying he got robbed from that

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<v Speaker 6>they're doing that. There have been calls from some folks

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<v Speaker 6>in his you know, in Maga world, that he should

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<v Speaker 6>declare an emergency so he can like take over elections.

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<v Speaker 5>He's he talked about taking over elections and then.

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<v Speaker 1>Say their business because he knows he can't win, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's not doing this because American elections, Like

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<v Speaker 1>a million different courts have said his own dej that

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<v Speaker 1>he did not win.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, yeah, I mean that's right. I mean he didn't

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<v Speaker 5>win the election in twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 6>He lost the election in twenty twenty, and then the

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<v Speaker 6>thing is the best way to come back and that

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<v Speaker 6>is to win the following one, which he then did.

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<v Speaker 6>So it's confusing as to why we're still talking about

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<v Speaker 6>twenty twenty. But I will say, look, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>This is all about the majority in the House and

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<v Speaker 6>the Senate, which, like you know, it does look at risk.

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<v Speaker 6>His poll numbers are very, very bad. It's not going

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<v Speaker 6>well for them. Yeah, but this really is a long

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<v Speaker 6>term Trump project has been undermining.

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<v Speaker 1>The American elections.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, like since try beginning, I mean even before twenty sixteen.

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<v Speaker 6>Right the lock up to that was a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>questions like are you going to accept the results, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>if they if they don't go your way? He's like,

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know if I'm going to or not. Of

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<v Speaker 6>course he did go his way, then he of course

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<v Speaker 6>accepted them. But then when they didn't go his way,

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<v Speaker 6>he didn't accept them. January sixth, et cetera. This whole

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<v Speaker 6>thing is like of the whole piece. And what's fascinating

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<v Speaker 6>about it is that you have seen a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>Republicans get very upset about some of the stuff that

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<v Speaker 6>he was talking about. When he was out there talking

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<v Speaker 6>about Republicans should take over elections, and he listed to

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<v Speaker 6>several states those lessons that they should take over. Republicans

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<v Speaker 6>pushed back, They're like, well, well, you know, this is

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<v Speaker 6>a state sovereignty issue.

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<v Speaker 5>We run them.

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<v Speaker 6>We don't need to do this. We don't need the

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<v Speaker 6>federal government coming in there and telling us how to

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<v Speaker 6>run our elections. And on this issue of the Save Act,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, the bill itself that does a lot of

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<v Speaker 6>things that you know sort of have are already the

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<v Speaker 6>law changes some other things, but the main thing is

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<v Speaker 6>the senators, the Republican senators are not letting him do this,

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<v Speaker 6>do this bill. They don't want to blow up the

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<v Speaker 6>legislative filibuster, which senators really like. Literally, the only people

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<v Speaker 6>in America who like the filibuster are senators. It's one

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<v Speaker 6>of the strangest things in the world. Anybody you ever

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<v Speaker 6>go anywhere.

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<v Speaker 5>Who likes it.

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<v Speaker 6>But then today you saw the thing, you know, where

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<v Speaker 6>like John Fornyan running you know in that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, primary, So let's stop for a second and talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the Texas primary. So this is John thun who

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<v Speaker 1>is the new leader of the Senate. He is very

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<v Speaker 1>tall and tan and affable, and he is like great

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<v Speaker 1>a Senate guy, and he does not want to blow

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<v Speaker 1>up the filibuster because he knows that no matter how

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<v Speaker 1>much fuck up elections, eventually Democrats will in fact win

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<v Speaker 1>and then we will all have free breakfasts for children,

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<v Speaker 1>which everyone knows must be stopped. We cannot feed those

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<v Speaker 1>poor kids when that money could be better spent on

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<v Speaker 1>movies of Christy Nome riding horses and flying around in

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<v Speaker 1>her jet with a bedroom. So I want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about you know, I'm right, You know I'm right that

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<v Speaker 1>money better spend.

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<v Speaker 6>It isn't just about the next cooming election. I mean

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<v Speaker 6>I think that's true. Will you talk to senators from

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<v Speaker 6>both parties. They like this thing. This is this is

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<v Speaker 6>the think is a key component of what makes their

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<v Speaker 6>legislative body different other legislative bodies.

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<v Speaker 5>And they're the very excited.

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<v Speaker 6>There's always a vocal minority of people who want it gone.

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<v Speaker 1>And now yes, and now now we run into the

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<v Speaker 1>Texas Republican Senate primary, which pits Ken Paxton, a man

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<v Speaker 1>who has been impeached but not removed just like Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>and John Cornyn, a man who is slightly less nuts,

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<v Speaker 1>are running in a runoff for the primary, and so

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<v Speaker 1>both of them have now decided that the Save America

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<v Speaker 1>Act is the only way to suck up to Trump

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<v Speaker 1>to get the Trump endorsement, which you need, at least

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<v Speaker 1>theoretically to win this runoff.

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<v Speaker 6>I have never seen an election about one person as

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<v Speaker 6>much as this one is. This is this is like

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<v Speaker 6>the movie with Kevin Cotun They made like swing voter

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<v Speaker 6>or whatever, and they off to go down there and

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<v Speaker 6>like campaign like what happened was Cornyn does surprisingly well

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<v Speaker 6>in the first in the first vote, come down on top,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, which is not supposed to happen. This sort

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<v Speaker 6>of shifts the winds that he's gonna get this endorsement

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<v Speaker 6>from Trump. Trump sort of previews saying I'm gonna endorse

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<v Speaker 6>somebody and then make the other person drop out. Pastons

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<v Speaker 6>of the brilliant idea of like, yeah, I'll drop out

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<v Speaker 6>if you if they pass the Save Act. And Trump

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<v Speaker 6>loves that, and so now the whole thing is reset

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<v Speaker 6>and I got Cordon, a longtime supporter of the Senate,

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<v Speaker 6>a long time supporter of the Senate filibuster, and who

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<v Speaker 6>is kind of running as kind of like, look, I

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<v Speaker 6>like Trump, but I'm an independent guy, you know me.

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<v Speaker 5>It's kind of what his whole thing.

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<v Speaker 6>Is is that like I'm Baxton is like this weird

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<v Speaker 6>wild card who loves Trump so much and who knows

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like a normal Texan.

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<v Speaker 5>I go my own way if I have to, guy uh, and.

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<v Speaker 6>Now what he's doing this weird tick a fantic like

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<v Speaker 6>I do think we should blow up the filibuster and

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<v Speaker 6>that we should pass the Save Act.

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<v Speaker 5>The problem is, there isn't that much time. There's twelve weeks.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a really long runoff, but that's not that long

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<v Speaker 5>in legislative calendar time.

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<v Speaker 6>So like it's pretty likely that the philibuster will not

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<v Speaker 6>be blown up nor the Save Act passed by the

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<v Speaker 6>end of this thing, but has put the race in

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<v Speaker 6>stasis effectively until something happens.

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<v Speaker 5>It's it's like, because the whole thing about what Trump

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<v Speaker 5>going to do.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, meanwhile, there are like millions of Texans who

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<v Speaker 6>have to vote and make this decision, but like nobody

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<v Speaker 6>seems to be talking to.

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<v Speaker 5>Them very much.

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<v Speaker 6>Right now, they're only talking to Trump, which is an

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<v Speaker 6>interesting way to go about it.

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<v Speaker 1>It is an insane story. I also want to add,

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite part of this story is that in order

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<v Speaker 1>to pass the Save Act, what Donald Trump wants to

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<v Speaker 1>Save Act to say is not what the Save Act

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<v Speaker 1>says in the House. So the Save Act that they

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<v Speaker 1>passed from the House has vote by mail voting, which

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump wants to get rid of in his new

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<v Speaker 1>Save Act. Because part of this is that Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>is very incoherent, so he wants a lot of shit

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<v Speaker 1>taken out of there, which in itself is wild.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, the bill just simply as written right now

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<v Speaker 5>cannot pass. And that's sort of the way it is.

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<v Speaker 5>And this happens. I mean, I know we were going

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<v Speaker 5>to talk.

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<v Speaker 1>About maybe go back to the House either.

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<v Speaker 5>Way, Yeah, it would have to go back to the House.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, this is the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 6>This is an issue where the electorate in Texas is

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<v Speaker 6>very interested in keeping you know, the republic Actor wants

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<v Speaker 6>to keep this seat Republican. Some of them say they

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<v Speaker 6>can do it by having this Kent Action. There's a

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<v Speaker 6>real bomb thrower right wing guy. Something they got to

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<v Speaker 6>do it by having this sort of died in the

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<v Speaker 6>wall establishment John Corning guy. But you when you go

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<v Speaker 6>out there, if you talk to people who are running,

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<v Speaker 6>who are voting in that election, you know, I have

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<v Speaker 6>Friendsho been doing that.

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<v Speaker 5>My colleagues have been doing that. They're not talking about

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<v Speaker 5>the Save Act. This is this is again another.

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<v Speaker 6>Thing where we're spending all of this time talking about

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<v Speaker 6>something that is really legilate, the enterteric. It's very very important,

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<v Speaker 6>as I mentioned, with everything I have you do with elections.

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<v Speaker 6>But in terms of an electoral strategy, you've got a

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<v Speaker 6>Democrat running around talking about affordability, Tallerico who just won

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<v Speaker 6>We're talking about afordability, bringing people together, bipartisan solutions, and

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<v Speaker 6>you've got a Republican primary that's frozen to see whether

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<v Speaker 6>or not this esoteric bill that has nothing to do

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<v Speaker 6>with prices will get passed in the Senate. It's a

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<v Speaker 6>very very strange circumstance, not what anybody who is like

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<v Speaker 6>a strategist in Texas would design, and I think it's

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<v Speaker 6>a tough one for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thoughts, prayers, Okay, So let's talk about leadership on

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic side. So right now, we have a House

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<v Speaker 1>that has a one vote majority for Republicans. Okay, one

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<v Speaker 1>Mike Johnson has lost his caucus. The women are so

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<v Speaker 1>mad they are talking. I mean your seat, Nancy May.

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<v Speaker 1>These Maga women are furious, right, They're furious. You see

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<v Speaker 1>them furious. They say they're fearious. Marjorie Taylgreen laughed. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just you know they are mad. Then you have

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Massey also mad. Then you have Don Bacon people

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<v Speaker 1>who are retiring. You have such a huge group of

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<v Speaker 1>disaffected Republicans caucusing with Republicans being run by Mike Johnson.

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<v Speaker 1>So answer me this because I asked a member of

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<v Speaker 1>Congress this and she punted and wouldn't answer. But why

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<v Speaker 1>can't Hakeem get one of these people to either become

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<v Speaker 1>an independent and caucus with him. What can he offer?

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<v Speaker 1>Why can't he get somebody on board? Why can't he

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<v Speaker 1>flip the House right now?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I will say that when you talk to Republicans

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<v Speaker 6>about being Republicans in this era of Trump being elected,

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<v Speaker 6>at probably this era of Trump, they have spoken about

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<v Speaker 6>physical safety, like they get worried that if they get

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<v Speaker 6>put on blast by Trump, do a certain enough they

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<v Speaker 6>become persona on Grada enough that it could really put

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<v Speaker 6>their at them at actual physical risk.

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<v Speaker 5>This is the thing that they have talked about.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, you know, so I don't really know like the

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<v Speaker 6>mechanics of doing something like that. I think it's a

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<v Speaker 6>thing of like would that get you you know, you'd

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<v Speaker 6>have to request that, like they had they tried to

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<v Speaker 6>re elect you. You know, the Democrats right now are like,

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<v Speaker 6>we're just gonna keep steam rolling ahead. Everything's working for us,

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<v Speaker 6>and we're just gonna take this thing and when when

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<v Speaker 6>we can. But like that kind of maneuvering, we are

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<v Speaker 6>in that kind of weird type Yeah, yeah, slat a

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<v Speaker 6>place where strange things can happen. But really where it's

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<v Speaker 6>come down on mostly at this point has been on Johnson.

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<v Speaker 6>And we had reporting and notice this morning about the

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<v Speaker 6>House retreat that was supposed to be a legislative strategy

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<v Speaker 6>session planning for the you know, the full year ahead,

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<v Speaker 6>and really none of the moderates attended this thing. Uh

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<v Speaker 6>and even with none of the moderates there, they still

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<v Speaker 6>couldn't agree on anything to do. So they're a really

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<v Speaker 6>tough spot. And that's sort of where this is all fallen.

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<v Speaker 5>Down on right now?

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<v Speaker 6>Is that it's like I think democrats are started sitting

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<v Speaker 6>back and letting enjoying the show for the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we'll change, but let's pause for a minute,

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<v Speaker 1>because should they be like you and I, okay, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>we know how it works. But like, let's just say

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<v Speaker 1>right now, thirty percent of Democrats are being primaries. There

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<v Speaker 1>is a kind of rage in the base. If you

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<v Speaker 1>talk to normal people, they are so mad at Jeffries,

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<v Speaker 1>they are so mad at Schumer. They do not feel

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<v Speaker 1>that leadership is doing for them what they want. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>you and I know there are certain things leadership is

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<v Speaker 1>doing that is really good, right, getting Mary Parota and

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<v Speaker 1>Alaska to run for Senate, like Chuck Schumer has a

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<v Speaker 1>mass some wins and hakeem too, right the Ebstein files release.

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<v Speaker 1>There have been certain things, but like if you look

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<v Speaker 1>at if you just talk to Democrats on the street,

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<v Speaker 1>they are furious. So are Democrats rolling along and doing

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<v Speaker 1>the right thing or do you think they should be

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<v Speaker 1>doing more?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, it's truly not what I think.

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<v Speaker 6>I do think there's a thing of what you're hitting

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<v Speaker 6>on is very very important, which is that we are

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<v Speaker 6>in a situation where things feel very much the same.

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<v Speaker 6>I know, you know we're having a war right now.

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<v Speaker 6>You have some lawmakers, right you have guys like Chris

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<v Speaker 6>Murphy and stuff who are thinking already for president and

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<v Speaker 6>thinking about tapping in to this Democratic rage. They're saying,

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<v Speaker 6>this war needs to end. Cut it off, cut off

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<v Speaker 6>the funding, end it, end it now, just like, get

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<v Speaker 6>out of this thing. We shouldn't be in the first place.

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<v Speaker 2>End it.

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<v Speaker 5>And you've got other people in.

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<v Speaker 6>The Democratic Caucus and they're sort of falling over themselves

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<v Speaker 6>in very different ways. You know, we did a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of reporting about this idea of maybe Trump might ask

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<v Speaker 6>for supplemental budget for this build that he did not

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<v Speaker 6>ask Congress Ford to do in the first place, and

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<v Speaker 6>it becomes to ask for this money they're a Democratic trip.

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<v Speaker 6>But maybe we do it, I don't know, maybe maybe

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<v Speaker 6>at the sitt of CEE, maybe it's possible that we

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<v Speaker 6>would do it. The public is sort of it's very

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<v Speaker 6>much against this war. Yes, the public is very much

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<v Speaker 6>against a lot of this stuff that's going on. And

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<v Speaker 6>the Democratic leadership is the same leadership that disappointed a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of them during the shutdown time.

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<v Speaker 7>Right.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that now that's book backed on is now like,

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<v Speaker 6>oh that which is kind of big. You know, we

0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:14.959
<v Speaker 6>did pretty well there, We kind of won some stuff.

0:24:15.400 --> 0:24:18.800
<v Speaker 6>This DHS shutdown has been very successful in terms of

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<v Speaker 6>party unity and sort of getting the party on one

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<v Speaker 6>page about an issue that was tough for them.

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<v Speaker 5>Immigration.

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<v Speaker 6>But it is true that these things are happening, and

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<v Speaker 6>the you know what you hear from folks is that

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<v Speaker 6>the leadership sort of sounds the same. They're very careful

0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:37.359
<v Speaker 6>around talking about this conflict, and you know, those of us.

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<v Speaker 5>Who remember the Iraq War, it sounds a lot like that.

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<v Speaker 6>It sounds a lot like, well, we don't want to

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<v Speaker 6>I don't want to be in the wrong side of this.

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<v Speaker 6>And just in case somehow this breaks out in like

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<v Speaker 6>democracy emerging in Iran, it's our new best friend, it

0:24:50.400 --> 0:24:51.600
<v Speaker 6>all works out great, we don't want to be on

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<v Speaker 6>the wrong side of that. This is a delicate area.

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<v Speaker 6>But I'm not sure that they have at all figured

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<v Speaker 6>out how to deal with their angry base. I mean,

0:25:02.440 --> 0:25:05.560
<v Speaker 6>you look in Maine, for example, where Democrats are still

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:09.080
<v Speaker 6>hammering tongs against this guy cram Plattner, who polls show

0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:13.040
<v Speaker 6>is like crushing their chosen candidate, Janet Mills they have

0:25:13.160 --> 0:25:15.920
<v Speaker 6>not figured out how to harness that and calm that down.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that because we're in a moment now where

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<v Speaker 6>in a two party system, dependulum, the screening away from

0:25:21.080 --> 0:25:24.679
<v Speaker 6>the party in power. It feels good, but we got

0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 6>a lot of primaries to go, and they need voter

0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:33.760
<v Speaker 6>enthusiasm and this ske problem of what do you do

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<v Speaker 6>with these base voters who are really really upset.

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<v Speaker 5>They have not figured that out, that's clear.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, behind the scenes, there are all these

0:25:44.000 --> 0:25:47.399
<v Speaker 1>house races that are flipp the ball. There are all

0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:52.159
<v Speaker 1>of these Senate races that are pretty heavy left. But

0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:56.240
<v Speaker 1>if we're if we see the kind of kind of

0:25:56.680 --> 0:25:58.960
<v Speaker 1>blue wave that we've seen in the specials, which we

0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:02.520
<v Speaker 1>may not right because specials tend to be even more

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<v Speaker 1>exaggerated though who knows. I mean, there is a real

0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:14.919
<v Speaker 1>scenario where leadership can't necessarily tamp down the anti incumbent sentiment. Right.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, the question is should they I mean, should they

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<v Speaker 6>tamp be on anti numbers?

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<v Speaker 1>So they should do, but they might, but they will

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<v Speaker 1>want to.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think I think they do want to.

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<v Speaker 6>I think I think I think it's a natural tendency

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<v Speaker 6>in in Washington and in politics to sort of, you know,

0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:34.320
<v Speaker 6>do that go. You know, it's it's a safe thing.

0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:35.840
<v Speaker 6>We all saw it was Biden, right, that was the

0:26:35.840 --> 0:26:38.560
<v Speaker 6>Biden thing. He's president already. This is a great idea.

0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:41.600
<v Speaker 6>Let's stick with the guy who's president already. Politics is

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<v Speaker 6>moving in a very different direction and things are moving

0:26:43.520 --> 0:26:46.239
<v Speaker 6>around very very quickly. You think about these districts that

0:26:46.359 --> 0:26:49.439
<v Speaker 6>have been redrawn. Many of these incumbents are running with

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<v Speaker 6>all new with many new voters they have.

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<v Speaker 5>Never had before.

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<v Speaker 6>So they're making a case as incumbents to some of

0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:58.639
<v Speaker 6>these voters. That's that's a tough one. But really it

0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:01.320
<v Speaker 6>is a thing that you know, when these moments come

0:27:01.359 --> 0:27:05.280
<v Speaker 6>along like we're dealing with now, where you look at

0:27:05.320 --> 0:27:08.240
<v Speaker 6>the polling about something like, for example, public support for Israel,

0:27:08.320 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 6>right our partner in this war in Iran, both sides

0:27:12.640 --> 0:27:15.119
<v Speaker 6>of the Aisle have seen that support for that country

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<v Speaker 6>shift in big ways, especially in certain demographics. Younger demographics,

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:21.679
<v Speaker 6>for example, has shifted away from supporting that country in

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<v Speaker 6>the way that we've supported it in the past as

0:27:23.440 --> 0:27:25.439
<v Speaker 6>an American, you know, as a country.

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<v Speaker 5>And those voters where are they going to go?

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<v Speaker 6>Do they totally know where they're going to go right now,

0:27:30.720 --> 0:27:32.760
<v Speaker 6>I don't know how angry are they're going to be.

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<v Speaker 5>What are they going to do?

0:27:34.760 --> 0:27:36.719
<v Speaker 6>No parties really sort of reaching out to them at

0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:38.440
<v Speaker 6>this moment or trying to sort of deal with them

0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:41.399
<v Speaker 6>and talk to them that much. And this is a

0:27:41.480 --> 0:27:44.200
<v Speaker 6>real it's it is a real wildcard for the midterms.

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<v Speaker 6>But it's also a wildcard for the Democratic Party going

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<v Speaker 6>forward because you know what can happen is they they

0:27:48.000 --> 0:27:51.160
<v Speaker 6>could win in twenty twenty six and they could immediately

0:27:51.200 --> 0:27:55.119
<v Speaker 6>face plant when they're in power. They need to build something.

0:27:55.200 --> 0:27:57.960
<v Speaker 6>This is this is a party that had its reputation

0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:01.840
<v Speaker 6>and its brand absolutely trashed in twenty twenty four.

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:03.479
<v Speaker 5>They need to rebuild it.

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<v Speaker 6>And I have not talked to a lot of strategists

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 6>and folks involved who feel like they have rebuilt it.

0:28:11.400 --> 0:28:14.880
<v Speaker 5>They think that they're getting some chances to right.

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:16.399
<v Speaker 6>I mean, you know the way that they won in

0:28:16.680 --> 0:28:18.919
<v Speaker 6>New Jersey, way they won in Virginia in twenty twenty five,

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:20.760
<v Speaker 6>those are good wins for them. They say that they

0:28:20.760 --> 0:28:25.440
<v Speaker 6>can rebuild, but overall I haven't seen them stamp down

0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:27.439
<v Speaker 6>this anger among their own supporters.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we shall say, right, Evan, will you come.

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<v Speaker 5>Back anytime, of course. I love coming to this show.

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<v Speaker 5>It's the best show so far, Y's the best.

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<v Speaker 1>Ed Loos is the Financial Times chief US commentator and

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<v Speaker 1>the author of Za Big, The Life of the Big

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<v Speaker 1>New Brazinski, America's great, powerful profit edless. Welcome to fast politics.

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<v Speaker 7>Such a pleasure to be with you. Money.

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<v Speaker 1>So the war expenditures. Donald Trump's DoD, which is actually

0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:06.400
<v Speaker 1>now the Department of War, is at war multiple different countries.

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:11.760
<v Speaker 1>But there are also a war with fiscal conservatism discuss.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, well, the war with fiscal conservatism is the war

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:16.280
<v Speaker 8>that the DoD will win.

0:29:16.640 --> 0:29:18.560
<v Speaker 7>The war where they run is one.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm afraid it doesn't look like winning a strategic victory.

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:24.160
<v Speaker 8>The money, it's about a billion dollars a day. If

0:29:24.160 --> 0:29:26.880
<v Speaker 8>it ends after a couple of weeks, might be manageable,

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:31.320
<v Speaker 8>although you know, the cost of quotation marks place following

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:35.160
<v Speaker 8>unilateral declaration of victory or some kind of off ramp

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 8>that Trump fashions for himself that wouldn't be cost free either,

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 8>because Iran has a vote on whether the war ends,

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:44.800
<v Speaker 8>and it's got every incentive to keep the strait of

0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:48.880
<v Speaker 8>Hormus closed in order to give Trump a price signal

0:29:48.920 --> 0:29:50.880
<v Speaker 8>there that the cost of war is too high, do

0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 8>not go back to war with US. And so those

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.440
<v Speaker 8>fifty thousand troops who are in the Middle East, those

0:29:56.760 --> 0:30:01.400
<v Speaker 8>three aircraft carriers, when the USS Georgia hw Bush arrives,

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 8>it'll make three the couple of hundred of jets. I mean,

0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:08.400
<v Speaker 8>this all costs hundreds of billions a day. So that

0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:11.880
<v Speaker 8>costs not going to go away even if Trump declares peace.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about what's going on here, because we have

0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 1>Trump in a war that has really spiraled out of control. Though,

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:24.320
<v Speaker 1>I think if he had just read a few articles

0:30:24.800 --> 0:30:27.640
<v Speaker 1>about the possible danger like the Straits of her Mouth.

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<v Speaker 1>That's something I've been hearing about, right, twenty percent of

0:30:30.680 --> 0:30:34.680
<v Speaker 1>all oil and gas in the world goes through the straits.

0:30:35.240 --> 0:30:39.640
<v Speaker 1>It seemed like an easy way for the Iranians to

0:30:39.720 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 1>really make trouble and make life very expensive for everyone

0:30:44.360 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 1>they are fighting, Like I feel like like the Ukrainians

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:50.880
<v Speaker 1>just to stay alive, right, I mean, are there parallels there?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, They're backit to the wall.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, this is a regime that if it didn't

0:30:54.920 --> 0:30:58.080
<v Speaker 8>get struck by the remnants of it struck by Israel,

0:30:58.160 --> 0:31:02.280
<v Speaker 8>and I'm sure the new Ayatollah Mujtaba, you know, is

0:31:02.800 --> 0:31:06.040
<v Speaker 8>taking every single possible precaution. But if they didn't get

0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 8>struck by Israel, they'll be sort of consumed by their

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:11.320
<v Speaker 8>own people. They've just killed tens of thousands off them,

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 8>so their mindset is existential. And if Iran knows how

0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 8>to do one thing, it's to mess with the Strait

0:31:18.000 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 8>of Hormuz. This is the world's number one energy choke point,

0:31:22.160 --> 0:31:25.000
<v Speaker 8>number one, and it is within range of the Red

0:31:25.080 --> 0:31:27.640
<v Speaker 8>Sea and the Sewers Canal, which are up there in

0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:30.040
<v Speaker 8>the top five as well. The idea that Trump didn't

0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:33.040
<v Speaker 8>foresee this or couldn't have foreseen this, Rather, he didn't

0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:35.840
<v Speaker 8>foresee this, but the idea that he couldn't have is

0:31:35.960 --> 0:31:39.960
<v Speaker 8>manifestly absurd. I mean Iran, it takes the rumors of

0:31:40.000 --> 0:31:43.720
<v Speaker 8>Somali pirates to give the frights to these tankers and

0:31:43.800 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 8>to the insurance companies or an RPG from Yemen.

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<v Speaker 7>From the huties.

0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:52.040
<v Speaker 8>This, you know, is a waterway that is accustomed to

0:31:52.120 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 8>suddenly closing off. And Trump now has handed Iran this

0:31:56.360 --> 0:32:00.360
<v Speaker 8>magic weapon. It doesn't need ballistic missiles for this, doesn't

0:32:00.400 --> 0:32:04.320
<v Speaker 8>need enriched uranium, just needs some drones and then.

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<v Speaker 1>There's this question of whether or not there are military

0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:11.800
<v Speaker 1>escorts that are escorting ships. Yesterday there was a tweet

0:32:12.000 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 1>that said it was and then it was taken down.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think was going on there?

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<v Speaker 8>I cannot imagine why the Energy Secretary Chris Wright would

0:32:19.440 --> 0:32:24.240
<v Speaker 8>tweet out something so market sensitive without having confirmed whether

0:32:24.280 --> 0:32:25.080
<v Speaker 8>it was true or not.

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:26.840
<v Speaker 7>But it turns out it wasn't true.

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<v Speaker 8>Now, I think everybody who works for Trump is always

0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:33.200
<v Speaker 8>looking out for ways of confirming that he makes great decisions.

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<v Speaker 8>And Trump had announced a few days earlier that we'll

0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:37.719
<v Speaker 8>solve the strait of one moves. Well, we'll back up

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:42.200
<v Speaker 8>the insurers, we'll send US naval patrols and that'll fix it.

0:32:42.280 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 8>And it turns out A they just don't have the

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:48.800
<v Speaker 8>intensity of ships in the region to do that. B

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:52.960
<v Speaker 8>Under US law, you can only provide convoy protection to

0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:57.200
<v Speaker 8>American ships, and see, you know, the insurers you cannot

0:32:57.240 --> 0:33:01.480
<v Speaker 8>with American taxpayers money under right global and so he's

0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:03.360
<v Speaker 8>not going to be able to do this. But Chris

0:33:03.360 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 8>Wright was clearly on the lookout for affirmation it was

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:08.520
<v Speaker 8>still a brilliant, you know, decision by Trump, which it

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:11.880
<v Speaker 8>wasn't And the old prices sawed ten dollars, and then

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:15.080
<v Speaker 8>when the White House said it actually there had been

0:33:15.120 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 8>no US naval escort through the Strait, then it regained

0:33:18.400 --> 0:33:22.960
<v Speaker 8>ten dollars in that gyration, in that wild move, Iran

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<v Speaker 8>has all the knowledge it needs.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if you could talk about Donald Trump's relationship

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<v Speaker 1>with Putin, because he talked to Putin, and Putin sort

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<v Speaker 1>of gave him an off ramp. Explain what the hell

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:36.680
<v Speaker 1>is going on here? Please?

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<v Speaker 8>So, yeah, he had an hour's conversation with Putin which

0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:43.400
<v Speaker 8>he didn't The White House didn't issue a statement or

0:33:43.440 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 8>summary of we know this because the Kremlin issued a

0:33:46.000 --> 0:33:46.960
<v Speaker 8>summary of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that normal, by the way, for the Kremlin to do.

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<v Speaker 8>That, No, the normal thing is for everybody to do it,

0:33:55.680 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 8>and usually some coordination. But that was a very interesting timing,

0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:03.960
<v Speaker 8>that one out call, because it was in between Trump

0:34:04.000 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 8>indicating in a telephone interview to a CBS reporter that

0:34:07.440 --> 0:34:09.960
<v Speaker 8>the war was pretty much won and done, and then

0:34:10.440 --> 0:34:14.520
<v Speaker 8>a speech that he gave to the Republican Caucus down

0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 8>in Florida in which he said well, and then followed

0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:21.880
<v Speaker 8>by a press conferences, said well, yeah, we're almost achieved

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:24.399
<v Speaker 8>all our aims, but we're not going to end yet.

0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 8>And then he was asked by a reporter very sort

0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:29.600
<v Speaker 8>of clear question. Hegsas says, we're only at the beginning.

0:34:29.640 --> 0:34:32.600
<v Speaker 8>You say we're almost done. Which is it? And Trump says, well,

0:34:32.600 --> 0:34:35.239
<v Speaker 8>it could be both. That doesn't clear anything up, but

0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:37.839
<v Speaker 8>it shows I think put In. The Putin call had

0:34:37.880 --> 0:34:41.920
<v Speaker 8>an impact on his mindset. And Putin has been providing

0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:44.759
<v Speaker 8>the Russia have been providing around with target They've been

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:49.960
<v Speaker 8>providing them with satellite imagery to help Iran target American assets.

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<v Speaker 8>He made no public I don't know what he said

0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:53.759
<v Speaker 8>on the phone to put him, but he made no

0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:57.800
<v Speaker 8>public complaint about that. He has been complaining though about allies,

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<v Speaker 8>including Britain.

0:34:59.239 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 7>Day in and day out.

0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:02.920
<v Speaker 8>Early a day goes by where he doesn't complain about

0:35:02.920 --> 0:35:05.480
<v Speaker 8>Britain not being fully on board with this war.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think Putin said to him on the

0:35:07.400 --> 0:35:09.399
<v Speaker 1>phone during that hour long call.

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<v Speaker 8>It's an I mean remember an hour is really half

0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:17.120
<v Speaker 8>an hour because you need thirty minutes for the interpreters. Nevertheless,

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:21.360
<v Speaker 8>it remains, with all of Trump's engagements with Putin, including

0:35:21.400 --> 0:35:25.680
<v Speaker 8>this latest one, a mystery that he almost never calls

0:35:25.719 --> 0:35:30.040
<v Speaker 8>Putin out even when he is actively helping the adversary,

0:35:30.080 --> 0:35:33.399
<v Speaker 8>the enemy, to target American troops in a war that

0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:37.280
<v Speaker 8>you know, Russia is not formally engaged in. Wit Cooff,

0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:40.400
<v Speaker 8>Steve Witcoff, Trump's or, one of Trump's envoys, said that

0:35:40.520 --> 0:35:42.799
<v Speaker 8>he had been assured by Putin because he spoke to

0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:48.239
<v Speaker 8>Putin that Putin wasn't targeting American assets. And he said,

0:35:48.280 --> 0:35:50.239
<v Speaker 8>I have no reason not to believe him. I mean,

0:35:50.360 --> 0:35:52.600
<v Speaker 8>I've never heard such a naive statement in my life.

0:35:52.640 --> 0:35:56.719
<v Speaker 8>I mean, Putin is the world's most accomplished purveyor of disinformation.

0:35:56.920 --> 0:35:59.799
<v Speaker 8>There's really nobody who quite masters the Russian art form

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<v Speaker 8>there of which he is maestro. He's a KGB officer.

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<v Speaker 8>The idea that Wickkoff would have no reason to disbelieve

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<v Speaker 8>what he was telling him is stunning to me.

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<v Speaker 1>We're twelve days into this war, so like about twelve

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<v Speaker 1>billion dollars into it to replace Ayatola Kahmani with Iatola Kameni,

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<v Speaker 1>the younger, angrier version of the father who has many

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<v Speaker 1>more years to live. And like, what's coming out more

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<v Speaker 1>and more is that this war was maybe caused because

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<v Speaker 1>Wikoff and Kushner thought it was a good idea. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>because the Israelis rolled them, maybe because the Satis rolled them.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think these people should be making our foreign

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<v Speaker 1>policy decisions.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, no, I do not.

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<v Speaker 8>And bear in mind that Trump quoted Jared Kushner as

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<v Speaker 8>having told him that what Jared Kushner took back from

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<v Speaker 8>the final talks with Iran in Geneva was that Iram

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<v Speaker 8>was about to make an imminent attack, and no evidence

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<v Speaker 8>has been provided at this attack. It is dispute by

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<v Speaker 8>the Foreign Minister of Oman, who was mediating these talks

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<v Speaker 8>and who flew to Washington the day before took the

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<v Speaker 8>war to convey the Iranian offer on uranium, and Richmond

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<v Speaker 8>to the White House because he did not trust Witkof

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<v Speaker 8>or Kushner to convey that the implication being this war

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<v Speaker 8>was already predetermined and the.

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<v Speaker 7>Talks were just theater.

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<v Speaker 8>The State Department has made severe cuts to its nuclear expertise,

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<v Speaker 8>as has other parts of the federal government, some of

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<v Speaker 8>this deliberately, some of this to do with DOJE, but

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<v Speaker 8>even with the reduced expertise were critically important for national

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<v Speaker 8>security at a time like this. Even with that reduced expertise,

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<v Speaker 8>Wikoff and Kushner chose not to bring one nuclear expert

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<v Speaker 8>with them to the talks, not a single one. Now,

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<v Speaker 8>it is very hard even for people who are you know,

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<v Speaker 8>really up to date with the physics of nuclear weapons

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<v Speaker 8>making a uranium and Richmond and the whole cycle, even

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<v Speaker 8>for IAA inspectors to keep up with everything, because this

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<v Speaker 8>is very complex and very technical and extremely oriented to detail.

0:38:07.080 --> 0:38:10.080
<v Speaker 8>Kushner and Wikoff do not have the grasp of the detail,

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<v Speaker 8>and even accomplished the most accomplished diplomats in America's modern

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<v Speaker 8>history have not gone into nuclear talks of any kind,

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<v Speaker 8>or weapons talks anything within the ballpark without a whole

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<v Speaker 8>raft of experts accompanying them. They went in essentially naked

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<v Speaker 8>to the negotiating chamber and came out with this completely

0:38:29.760 --> 0:38:33.719
<v Speaker 8>phony imminent attack line that it's hard to believe the

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<v Speaker 8>Amanis or anybody else would want to mediate.

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<v Speaker 7>Ever again, I was.

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<v Speaker 1>On Morning Joe this morning, and Joe had this really

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<v Speaker 1>good point about how when Bush I and Bush two

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<v Speaker 1>both went to war, they went and put together a

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<v Speaker 1>consortium of countries, and even if you pushed even a

0:38:52.320 --> 0:38:57.200
<v Speaker 1>bit further like bush on, there was an imminent issue

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<v Speaker 1>in Kuwait and then Bush two was after nine to eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was not just like they were foreign adventuring, right,

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<v Speaker 1>there was something else going on. And this is really

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<v Speaker 1>a radical, radical change.

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<v Speaker 8>It says, I would sort of separate Gulf War one

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<v Speaker 8>from Gulf War two, and people recording this one Gulf

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<v Speaker 8>War three. So yeah, I think Bushenia went to the

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<v Speaker 8>United Nations, got an international coalition to enforce the law,

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<v Speaker 8>which was that you cannot seize another country. You can't

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<v Speaker 8>just radically change borders by force. And he conformed to

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<v Speaker 8>a fault to that UN mandate, which is to get

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<v Speaker 8>Iraq out of Q eight. I'd say Bush two was

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<v Speaker 8>a little bit more adventurous. This was more of a

0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:44.400
<v Speaker 8>war of choice. I think what differentiates Trump from that

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<v Speaker 8>is that Bush two still tried to get the United

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<v Speaker 8>Nations behind He failed, but he still went through the

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<v Speaker 8>effort of doing that.

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<v Speaker 7>He did have some allies with him.

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<v Speaker 8>The Coalition of the Willing, you know, included countries out

0:39:55.680 --> 0:40:00.000
<v Speaker 8>Britain and Australia and Poland that provided considerable ballast. Trump

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<v Speaker 8>didn't attempt to get any legal permission, either from the

0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:06.440
<v Speaker 8>United Nations or from Congress, or even from his own

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<v Speaker 8>Department of Justice.

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<v Speaker 7>He didn't even pretend.

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<v Speaker 8>He didn't marshal public opinion, he didn't prepare public opinion.

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<v Speaker 8>He didn't even build up America's strategic petroleum reserves a

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<v Speaker 8>basic sort of precautionary measure. This is a war of wim,

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<v Speaker 8>not a war of choice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's a really good point. It's a

0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:29.080
<v Speaker 1>war of whim, not a war of choice. So talk

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<v Speaker 1>me through what happens next, because there are some off ramps.

0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:36.800
<v Speaker 1>There's some feeling that Donald Trump will get bored with this.

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<v Speaker 1>We do have this Cubad situation which is wild. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think is sort of the map looks like

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<v Speaker 1>at this moment?

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, so really in any sort of changing sentiment

0:40:48.640 --> 0:40:52.080
<v Speaker 8>on that question that you've just asked, Molly sends markets

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<v Speaker 8>wildly in one direction or the other. I mean, everybody

0:40:55.080 --> 0:40:58.120
<v Speaker 8>wants to know what is the end? How does this end?

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<v Speaker 8>This around war? Because you know, as as we were

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<v Speaker 8>saying at the beginning, you can take a couple of

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<v Speaker 8>weeks some damage, but if this goes on for months,

0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:07.800
<v Speaker 8>who you're looking at a global recession. So the difference

0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:10.399
<v Speaker 8>between the two is enormous. And therefore people that have

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<v Speaker 8>to know how this ends. What's the off ramp. And

0:41:12.760 --> 0:41:15.480
<v Speaker 8>the problem here is that, you know, Israel has been

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<v Speaker 8>This is the fourth Israeli war with Iran in two years.

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<v Speaker 8>The first two Israel was alone, the second to the

0:41:21.760 --> 0:41:24.280
<v Speaker 8>United States has led them the twelve Day war last summer,

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<v Speaker 8>and then this one, and there's about eight months between them.

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<v Speaker 8>Iran has not won another war eight months from now,

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<v Speaker 8>unlike last time, all the previous ones, it has no

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<v Speaker 8>incentive to agree to a cease fire because this time

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<v Speaker 8>feels regime changes on the line, and it's been given

0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:41.959
<v Speaker 8>this weapon. It's been handed this tool by Trump, which

0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:45.960
<v Speaker 8>it can see Trump responds to instantly at is oil prices,

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<v Speaker 8>and when they went one hundred and twenty dollars at

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<v Speaker 8>the end of last weekend, the next day, Trump's talking about,

0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:53.520
<v Speaker 8>you know, ending the war and that it's all over

0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:55.840
<v Speaker 8>and it's a success, and the oil price is dropped

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<v Speaker 8>down again. They know exactly what the tool is to

0:41:58.840 --> 0:42:02.959
<v Speaker 8>shape Trump's behavior. They have every incentive to make Trump

0:42:03.040 --> 0:42:07.160
<v Speaker 8>pay for this well beyond he's declared unnatural victory. And

0:42:07.280 --> 0:42:11.080
<v Speaker 8>so market's trying to guess, or investors trying to guess,

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<v Speaker 8>or people who'se you know, family are deployed to the Gulf.

0:42:14.320 --> 0:42:17.640
<v Speaker 8>Trying to guess when this ends from Iran's point of view,

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<v Speaker 8>that's the big question and it's very hard to answer.

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<v Speaker 7>And meanwhile, as.

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<v Speaker 8>You said, Molly, he's talking about Cuba and he's saying, well,

0:42:24.880 --> 0:42:28.160
<v Speaker 8>maybe we'll maybe we'll occupy Cuba, maybe we won't. Again

0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:30.520
<v Speaker 8>this sort of you know, maybe we're at peace, maybe

0:42:30.520 --> 0:42:32.759
<v Speaker 8>we're at war. Maybe it's at the beginning, maybe it's

0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:37.239
<v Speaker 8>at the end. He has no ability to focus and

0:42:37.360 --> 0:42:41.480
<v Speaker 8>there's clearly no strategic plan there, so we're stuck with

0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:45.400
<v Speaker 8>reacting wildly like sort of you know, manic depressive to

0:42:45.480 --> 0:42:46.440
<v Speaker 8>everything that he says.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's worth pointing out too, is we're in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle of a conflict, but we no longer take refugees,

0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:56.719
<v Speaker 1>and if anything, we have refugees in our country who

0:42:56.800 --> 0:43:01.240
<v Speaker 1>we are trying to revoke their refugee staff. So usually

0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:06.680
<v Speaker 1>when a country like America, which is theoretically at least

0:43:06.680 --> 0:43:10.240
<v Speaker 1>trying to sort of sell itself as a soft power,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, up until pretty recently, Donald Trump was sending

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<v Speaker 1>refugees to the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, I've got friends that you do sort of outside

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<v Speaker 8>of America, all over the place, countries I've lived in,

0:43:22.719 --> 0:43:25.480
<v Speaker 8>like India, the Philippines, and then friends you know from

0:43:25.480 --> 0:43:27.840
<v Speaker 8>countries I haven't lived in, but people in what we

0:43:28.080 --> 0:43:31.040
<v Speaker 8>might call the global self. It's a rather annoying phrase,

0:43:31.120 --> 0:43:34.240
<v Speaker 8>but the majority of the world, and they watch Pete

0:43:34.280 --> 0:43:39.360
<v Speaker 8>Hegseth delight in language like lethality and kill the pleasure

0:43:39.400 --> 0:43:42.400
<v Speaker 8>he takes in it. They see Trump talking about his

0:43:42.520 --> 0:43:46.040
<v Speaker 8>power of life and death, something he clearly values. They

0:43:46.080 --> 0:43:48.839
<v Speaker 8>know he had other options here and that war ought

0:43:48.840 --> 0:43:51.640
<v Speaker 8>to be the last option, after all the others have failed,

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<v Speaker 8>but the talks hadn't failed.

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<v Speaker 7>They know this. They see the videos the White House

0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:57.000
<v Speaker 7>puts out.

0:43:57.200 --> 0:44:01.759
<v Speaker 8>Mashing up scenes of you know, miss strikes on Iranian

0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:05.240
<v Speaker 8>missile sites or whatever it might be, or electricity grid

0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:10.000
<v Speaker 8>and interspliced with flips from action movies. Is if this

0:44:10.160 --> 0:44:12.799
<v Speaker 8>is sort of some kind of teenage video game that's

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<v Speaker 8>going on. The global South watches this. I cannot put

0:44:15.760 --> 0:44:19.200
<v Speaker 8>a measure on the damage this does to American soft power.

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<v Speaker 7>It is reckless. It is a.

0:44:21.400 --> 0:44:25.319
<v Speaker 8>Vandalism of America's standing in the world, and it's very

0:44:25.360 --> 0:44:27.560
<v Speaker 8>hard to put a price on it. Long after the

0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:31.560
<v Speaker 8>oil prices are stabilized. Whenever that is, these images cannot

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:33.360
<v Speaker 8>be unseen ed loose.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you, go to the airport, goodbye, goodbye.

0:44:36.960 --> 0:44:39.799
<v Speaker 8>Thanks so much money, and I'm sorry to stand so

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<v Speaker 8>to prising.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I think that's just what we call accurate.

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<v Speaker 2>Jesse Cannon, Mali Jung Fast. The DHS is trying to

0:44:53.640 --> 0:44:58.080
<v Speaker 2>seize a massive government database with Americans info. We know

0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:00.399
<v Speaker 2>how bad this goes, yet it keeps going.

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<v Speaker 1>Well. Remember DHS as most recently having spent two hundred

0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:08.880
<v Speaker 1>and twenty million dollars for Christynome to ride horses and

0:45:09.040 --> 0:45:12.760
<v Speaker 1>do videos of herself. Now she's out and Mark Wayne

0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:16.640
<v Speaker 1>Mullen is going to replace her. Look, they will do

0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:21.320
<v Speaker 1>anything anything they can, and this is one of those things.

0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:25.200
<v Speaker 1>The Department of Homeland Security wants to access the Federal

0:45:25.520 --> 0:45:30.360
<v Speaker 1>Parent Locator Service, which is considered to be the government's largest,

0:45:30.360 --> 0:45:34.480
<v Speaker 1>most detailed database. This is really good reporting from Pro Publica.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a people finder for the US government. Why

0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:40.560
<v Speaker 1>do you think they want a people finder for the

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<v Speaker 1>US government? You want to guess it.

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<v Speaker 2>Does it have something to do with the porting people?

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<v Speaker 1>It might, or it might have something to do with

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<v Speaker 1>trying to knock people off the voter rolls, or it

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<v Speaker 1>might have something to do with trying to hunt the

0:45:53.000 --> 0:45:55.760
<v Speaker 1>president's enemies. I mean, there are a lot of choices here,

0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:59.239
<v Speaker 1>but none of them are trying to help people. None

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:01.840
<v Speaker 1>of them are trying to give poor kids free breakfast.

0:46:02.120 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 1>They're all things that are nefarious and things that our

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<v Speaker 1>federal government should not be doing.

0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:07.920
<v Speaker 7>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when you get poor kids free breakfast, you

0:46:10.200 --> 0:46:13.600
<v Speaker 2>just get people driving by your house yelling really stupid words.

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