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Speaker 4: Dallas.
Speaker 2: Tell us some about tell us about yourself, because a
Speaker 2: lot of people don't know.
Speaker 4: Well, I've been a little bit of everywhere West Virginia, Louisiana, Colorado,
Speaker 4: and Buffalo was my last stop, Buffalo Bills, and now
Speaker 4: I'm here having a very interesting first season with the Cowboys,
Speaker 4: because it's been not boring since I've been here. It
Speaker 4: won't ever be wait to describe it. That's very nice nuts, big.
Speaker 2: Change obviously coming from Buffalo, and now you're here in
Speaker 2: Dallas coaching change as well.
Speaker 4: Wood.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, so I'm really good than.
Speaker 2: All right, Mike McCarthy is now out as the Dallas
Speaker 2: Cowboys head coach, so the search begins here in Dallas.
Speaker 2: And I know that Mike McCarthy the Dallas Cowboys have
Speaker 2: been catching strays the last couple of days, because well.
Speaker 3: The last day or so.
Speaker 6: And I don't like it.
Speaker 2: I don't like you because I mean, granted, Mike McCarthy
Speaker 2: wasn't perfect.
Speaker 3: But he had a lot of success here. He was
Speaker 3: great the guys here.
Speaker 2: And he was just a great guy in the building
Speaker 2: as far as just being nice to the people here,
Speaker 2: myself welcoming me.
Speaker 3: And when I came in as a reporter last year.
Speaker 2: What are some good things before we break down this
Speaker 2: whole the other stuff, What are some things some interactions
Speaker 2: that you had with Micha McCarthy that you do want
Speaker 2: him to be remembered by, because again, he has been
Speaker 2: catching a lot of strays on Twitter.
Speaker 6: Now, like the best story I have about Mike. If
Speaker 6: you have children watching this, please cover.
Speaker 5: Their ears because I may or may not spoil some surprises.
Speaker 5: It was around Christmas time, and so there's your hint.
Speaker 5: If you're a parent with a child listening. And Mike
Speaker 5: had made a comment in the press conference about Santa
Speaker 5: and alluding to he has younger kids, alluding to how
Speaker 5: his adults responsibilities is a parent, and you know Santa
Speaker 5: was coming to visit, and he thought about it so
Speaker 5: much because you know, it was a big joke in
Speaker 5: the press conference. But he goes back to make sure
Speaker 5: PR comes and tell us like, hey, don't put that anywhere.
Speaker 6: Don't post it because it was a funny moment from PR.
Speaker 5: They're like, Mike doesn't want that anywhere because he doesn't
Speaker 5: want his kids to know the secret that he is.
Speaker 6: You know, yeah, I just don't want kids to be
Speaker 6: watching And.
Speaker 5: Me ruined this for anybody, But to me, it was
Speaker 5: always family football, and to me that that instilled and
Speaker 5: even what he put in the players was take care
Speaker 5: of yourself, take care of your family.
Speaker 6: Football's here. But he was a very big family guy.
Speaker 5: I also remember during the Eras tour week I had
Speaker 5: asked if his daughters were going.
Speaker 6: I was like, you need friendship bracelets, Mike.
Speaker 4: You good.
Speaker 5: But overall I really do wish him well because the
Speaker 5: interactions I've had with him were always really positive, even
Speaker 5: during tough questions after tough classes, And he never made
Speaker 5: me feel dumb for asking a question. And I think
Speaker 5: as a woman in this business, that's something you run
Speaker 5: across a lot, unfortunately, from people everywhere. And Mike never
Speaker 5: once made me feel stupid for asking any kind of question,
Speaker 5: whether it was a basic football question or something.
Speaker 6: I kind of noticed. He was very poised in answering.
Speaker 5: Any questions, So I appreciate that from him, sir, kind
Speaker 5: of pigging back off that.
Speaker 4: The biggest thing I think is just respect in the
Speaker 4: media room. I've been in multiple medium rooms and you
Speaker 4: don't always get that, male or female.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: When you lose five games in a row and you
Speaker 4: go downhill like that, it's easy to kind of shut
Speaker 4: down and walk off the podium. He never did that.
Speaker 4: You know, he kind of took some shots too. I
Speaker 4: remember that controversial locker room with Michael Parsons, right, that
Speaker 4: could have won either way, but I think he handled
Speaker 4: it very well. Anything from Jerry Jones' comments that came
Speaker 4: back that might have, you know, got spun a little
Speaker 4: bit like. He handled it like a champ. He went
Speaker 4: up there and he was trying to win games. And
Speaker 4: I think that back half of the season really speaks
Speaker 4: to what Mike McCarthy was all about. He really, I
Speaker 4: think everyone here could agree he did not lose that
Speaker 4: locker room. You know, ceedee lambs out there playing with
Speaker 4: the really hurt shoulder when they have nothing to win
Speaker 4: at that point. I think it speaks a lot. But
Speaker 4: I'm definitely just the respect that aspects what I'm going
Speaker 4: to remember about Mike Lncthudy.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm kind of similar to you ladies, kind of
Speaker 7: standing in that same realm. I think for me personally,
Speaker 7: my best experiences with him as someone that is still
Speaker 7: very much so learning this game in depth and stuff
Speaker 7: and trying to sharpen my film study and master my craft.
Speaker 7: His willingness to teach me offline in moments and even
Speaker 7: in press conferences if I mentioned a question he wanted
Speaker 7: to talk football, so he would talk.
Speaker 6: Football back to me, reassure.
Speaker 7: Me I'm on the right track, which is a lot
Speaker 7: of things like that's reassuring as well, like Hey, my
Speaker 7: film studies being validated by one of the best minds
Speaker 7: in this game like that continue to help me, you know,
Speaker 7: want to continue to get better and just to take
Speaker 7: some of his teaching and some of the other coaches
Speaker 7: teaching has helped me to be a better analyst for
Speaker 7: you guys and to be you know, better on this show.
Speaker 7: So that's not something that I take lightly as well.
Speaker 7: So yeah, that mentorship, little bit of mentorship I've gotten
Speaker 7: from him, is something I really value in my career.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like to figure back all that as well.
Speaker 3: But I'll never forget the time that I was grabbing coffee.
Speaker 4: This was like week three, I think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was early in the season this year, because
Speaker 2: again I remember I started with October.
Speaker 3: Second October last year.
Speaker 2: October doesn't matter, it's all the same, all right. And
Speaker 2: so I was grabbing coffee and he comes behind me.
Speaker 2: He's like, hey, Nicole, right, and I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: head coach knows my name.
Speaker 4: Man, I'm moving up in the world.
Speaker 2: Uh No, but he we I never really talked like
Speaker 2: about myself obviously to head coach mich McCarthy has at
Speaker 2: so many things on his mind on his plate, but
Speaker 2: he was just asking me like, oh, where are you from.
Speaker 3: I haven't you know, just talked to you one on one, like,
Speaker 3: you know, how's your parents did it out?
Speaker 2: Just being so nice right, And then one thing he
Speaker 2: had told me was like, I know that a lot
Speaker 2: of people may not notice your work, but your work
Speaker 2: it doesn't go unnotice.
Speaker 3: You're doing a good job here.
Speaker 6: And so I was like, wow, I'm the head coach.
Speaker 4: I love it here.
Speaker 2: But no, he's he's been great since I got here
Speaker 2: last year.
Speaker 3: So wishing nothing but the best for Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 2: But now it is time to talk some ball and
Speaker 2: coaching options.
Speaker 3: But let's start with this.
Speaker 2: We're y'all shocked at all about Mike McCarthy in the
Speaker 2: news that you guys heard yesterday that he would not
Speaker 2: be returning back here as the Cowboys head coach.
Speaker 7: No, the only part I was shocked about was the timing.
Speaker 8: They weren't even do a no talk. They wouldn't even negotiations.
Speaker 4: That's the part that said me. I thought he was
Speaker 4: gonna stay.
Speaker 7: I given just kind of the energy and just how
Speaker 7: things felt, I thought that maybe that he wouldn't be here.
Speaker 7: But the biggest thing that the only part that surprised me,
Speaker 7: like him leaving didn't surprise me, It was the they
Speaker 7: didn't even talk about no numbers.
Speaker 9: I said, oh yeah, y'a even do mediation, even divorce.
Speaker 4: Listen, not the mediation.
Speaker 8: I'm just saying.
Speaker 4: I was like, I think, honestly, I'm gonna flipp it
Speaker 4: a little bit. I think what I think Garry Jones
Speaker 4: was surprised. That's what I think. I think he this
Speaker 4: is the Dallas Cowboys. Everybody wants to be here. I've
Speaker 4: been praising Mike McCarthy up and down, even though he
Speaker 4: you know, at the end of the day, the numbers
Speaker 4: aren't there. This is not the Dallas Cowboys. Expectations were
Speaker 4: not met. But I'm gonna just I'm gonna you know,
Speaker 4: they've been they were friendly the entire time. Anytime you
Speaker 4: you know, see them in the building, their lafe and dad,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna just sneak this over m and Marthy and
Speaker 4: his agent, who is very well known in this business.
Speaker 4: That's not good enough. And that's why I feel like
Speaker 4: we're talking about what we're talking about.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm gonna say I wasn't surprised, And after the
Speaker 5: news hit, I kind of went back and I was
Speaker 5: telling you shawd this. Earlier I was kind of looking
Speaker 5: at press conferences from Mike and kind of comparing them
Speaker 5: to even last year. Something felt different from his side,
Speaker 5: And I'm not saying he was checked out or whatever,
Speaker 5: like it just felt very different. And I think there
Speaker 5: was maybe a straw that broke the camel's back for
Speaker 5: Mike and the decision was made. But I wasn't surprised.
Speaker 5: And you know, putting it in human terms of our
Speaker 5: day to day and work, if you're Mike McCarthy kind
Speaker 5: of having to deal with the stuff that he deals
Speaker 5: with and the span to which he deals with it
Speaker 5: being the Cowboys head coach, Yep, that's gonna get old
Speaker 5: real quick. And he's handled it with grace. And I
Speaker 5: think enough could only be enough so much and you
Speaker 5: get where you get.
Speaker 6: And yeah, I wasn't surprised.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm a teeter on both lines.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I'm because teeter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was only surprised just because of how long
Speaker 2: it took for them to finally come to a conclusion
Speaker 2: that this was not something that both either parties wanted
Speaker 2: to be a part of. I think that, But then again,
Speaker 2: you have to look at like all the contracts and
Speaker 2: the delays and the long time that it takes for
Speaker 2: these guys to finally make decisions. So it's like, am
Speaker 2: I surprised, not really, but I was also not surprised
Speaker 2: just because I mentioned this Tobree yesterday. Is that this organization,
Speaker 2: the front office, wants to get back to the success
Speaker 2: that they've had in the nineties, like the five Super
Speaker 2: Bowls that they've won here.
Speaker 4: They want to get back to that success.
Speaker 2: And whether it's with Mike McCarthy or not, they want
Speaker 2: to figure out immediately.
Speaker 3: And unfortunately it's not Mike McCarthy, but there's.
Speaker 2: Some other options out there that they're obviously teetering around,
Speaker 2: maybe possibly killing more.
Speaker 4: That name has been thrown around. I know you're looking
Speaker 4: at me like.
Speaker 8: I don't, Like I wanted.
Speaker 5: To say, don't do this?
Speaker 9: Do they?
Speaker 6: Though, don't I'm.
Speaker 4: A familiar face, do they?
Speaker 7: I'm not talking about the Kellen Moore thing I'm talking about.
Speaker 7: I'm talking about the sister I'm talking about the they
Speaker 7: want to get back to winning in the nineties. So
Speaker 7: that also that, Yeah, now I feel like I'm sorry,
Speaker 7: I feel like I'm being gas lit.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, a little triggered.
Speaker 7: The door.
Speaker 2: The door, all right, y'all just got no I mean,
Speaker 2: I would hope so.
Speaker 5: Uh huh, well, actions and words, I mean, what are
Speaker 5: the expectations, well.
Speaker 7: The expectations is to get past the first round in
Speaker 7: the playoffs.
Speaker 9: But baby, if you're gonna go good on good, you
Speaker 9: need more good.
Speaker 7: So you got to be aggressive and free agency, you
Speaker 7: gotta you have to get.
Speaker 4: You They put enough stress on the draft.
Speaker 7: I mean, you gotta be able to do the things
Speaker 7: that obviously other teams do to.
Speaker 8: Get you over the hump.
Speaker 9: Like it might work regular season, but when you get
Speaker 9: to the playoffs, is.
Speaker 7: You're going to gets the best. So it's like, do
Speaker 7: you really because you didn't set this coaching staff up
Speaker 7: for success this year. We understand that there's plenty of injuries,
Speaker 7: but let's says what's up.
Speaker 5: Vision have been more depth to combat most of those injuries,
Speaker 5: and there wasn't.
Speaker 9: So I mean, what you really want to do, I'm
Speaker 9: not fussing.
Speaker 6: Can go back to the Let's get back to the
Speaker 6: let's go back to that.
Speaker 2: I on Kellen Moore, the news about the possibility of Keen.
Speaker 5: Babe, let her, let her house, letty.
Speaker 4: Kellen Moore.
Speaker 5: Yes, if you know me, you know what I think
Speaker 5: about it. If you don't know me, here's what I'm
Speaker 5: gonna say. Is when Kellen was here as OC. I
Speaker 5: had a lot of conversations with guys that are either
Speaker 5: currently or no longer in that locker room, and when
Speaker 5: his time was coming to a close, I'm not going
Speaker 5: to be like they celebrated.
Speaker 6: They were happy about it.
Speaker 5: They were ready to move on from the Kellen Moore
Speaker 5: OC chapter is how I will put it. So for me, yeah,
Speaker 5: there's been some development in him as an OC, and
Speaker 5: there should be because that's a natural progression of a
Speaker 5: good coach. I just don't I think if you if
Speaker 5: you want to go back to your sorry breeze up
Speaker 5: here fighting the demon, if you want to go back
Speaker 5: to what Nicole said of all in to actually win,
Speaker 5: it's not it.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, it's not it.
Speaker 2: I do want to say I agree with them not
Speaker 2: doing anything in free agency. They did not do anything
Speaker 2: to set this team up for Yes, however, yeah, I
Speaker 2: do believe they want to give back to their winning
Speaker 2: ways again.
Speaker 6: That starts with actions and words.
Speaker 9: Like actions and.
Speaker 3: Words, that's the best to put it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it just make sure I no, no disclimer, I'm
Speaker 6: just saying.
Speaker 5: You're you're telling me the guy who's only been an
Speaker 5: offensive coordinator, a backup quarterback in this league can come
Speaker 5: in as a first year head coach and win over
Speaker 5: the thirty year hump or curse.
Speaker 6: Whatever you want to call it.
Speaker 5: Here curse in the building like I'm sorry, I can't
Speaker 5: which I'm just not gonna do it.
Speaker 6: What you have punish, Let's see, let's see those dudes.
Speaker 6: You don't have to fight him anymore.
Speaker 4: Nicole said, yesterday I made her come on CBS eleven.
Speaker 6: Yes, we saw that.
Speaker 4: You look crazy natural. I was hitting you great. Wow.
Speaker 4: But the last thing that she how I actually ended
Speaker 4: my story was you know, Micha McCarthy's out, but it's
Speaker 4: time for a new beginning. That's what stuck out. That's
Speaker 4: how I ended it. I was like, ah, right, it's
Speaker 4: the new year. It's twenty twenty five. They want to
Speaker 4: get back to their winning ways. There's a saying, if
Speaker 4: it ain't broke, don't fix it. It is broke. The
Speaker 4: offense is boring to watch. I was bored and I
Speaker 4: was jealous talk their other teams going viral for sister,
Speaker 4: and I was just like, man, I wish we did that.
Speaker 4: I wish ah, and then I do there they go
Speaker 4: running the same route, you know what I mean? Like
Speaker 4: it was boring. I personally wasn't against Mike McCarthy at all.
Speaker 4: Coming back. I wanted Mike McCarthy to be open to
Speaker 4: letting somebody else come in here, be creative, and then
Speaker 4: you get to stay in Dallas. You get to look
Speaker 4: creative and as the head coach, just like when things
Speaker 4: go wrong and you take the fault, you can you're
Speaker 4: the hero now. And that's what other teams are okay
Speaker 4: doing and that is not what happened here. And I
Speaker 4: think Kellen Moore, I've heard back and forth, you know,
Speaker 4: and I know the relationships matter with the Joneses, but again,
Speaker 4: this is the time to be creative and take a chance.
Speaker 4: And I know there's a lot of safe candidates out
Speaker 4: there that have been throwing around because they have proven
Speaker 4: to be winners. But so was McCarthy when I was
Speaker 4: in high school. He won a Super Bowl and that
Speaker 4: a lot of coaches ended and can't say they ever wanted.
Speaker 4: Players in this building are still trying to, you know,
Speaker 4: have another year at it because they want to leave
Speaker 4: and hang it up and say they've won a super Bowl.
Speaker 4: But I just think going back to things that have
Speaker 4: kind of already been tried and not putting him in
Speaker 4: the head honcho position. Maybe not like, let's take a chance,
Speaker 4: be creative and go after some younger candidates, and I'm
Speaker 4: scared that's not going to be what's going to happen. Yep.
Speaker 7: Absolutely, I wanted to comment very quickly piggyback off of
Speaker 7: your point about Mike McCarthy and possibly giving up play
Speaker 7: call into someone that's just a little because the thing
Speaker 7: about Mike McCarthy that I felt like we ran into
Speaker 7: this year.
Speaker 8: I don't think Mike McCarthy is.
Speaker 7: A bad play caller, but there is something to be
Speaker 7: said about feel and the Cowboys. Out of the five
Speaker 7: years four years he was here, one of the worst
Speaker 7: quarter teams in the NFL, there was never a counter
Speaker 7: to the counter. That was a problem for me also
Speaker 7: to some of the When I say feel, I mean
Speaker 7: you should be able to feel how serious this drive is.
Speaker 7: You need to get into your best place, you need
Speaker 7: to have your guys ready. Cowboys been one of the
Speaker 7: most penalized teams under Mike McCarthy as well, So it's
Speaker 7: also like that conglomerate of things put together. But for me,
Speaker 7: it's also too like I think that we would be
Speaker 7: asking Mike McCarthy a lot, because I'm.
Speaker 8: Like, yeah, just bring a new OC, just bring in
Speaker 8: somebody innovative.
Speaker 7: And I'm like, well, if you were in the spot
Speaker 7: there where Mike McCarthy is, where he can go out
Speaker 7: on Thursday and say, hey, this kid is not gonna play,
Speaker 7: and then Friday the owners on their radio saying that
Speaker 7: the person's gonna play. He's already given up so much power,
Speaker 7: like we're asking him. These head coaches like to have
Speaker 7: their thumbprint on what is happening for their team, and
Speaker 7: he's already giving up so much power. So I think
Speaker 7: that's why he was not willing to renege on his
Speaker 7: OC play calling. And I'm gonna keep it a thousand.
Speaker 7: I don't know if anyone's ever said it, but I'm
Speaker 7: gonna say it. I remember how press conferences were with
Speaker 7: Kellen Moore, how difficult it was to get him to
Speaker 7: talk football to us, how difficult it was to have
Speaker 7: some of these conversations to gain information and stuff like that.
Speaker 8: And I understand, like there's something to be said.
Speaker 7: As a head coach, you have to be able to
Speaker 7: galvanize and lead men and have the maturity.
Speaker 8: To do that and have.
Speaker 7: The diversity in your thinking to do that. And for me,
Speaker 7: I didn't see people as es piggybacked on.
Speaker 4: That was our first year.
Speaker 7: We're in the locker room, We're hearing these conversations. I
Speaker 7: don't know what his ability to galvanize a locker room
Speaker 7: to follow him is like.
Speaker 9: And that does come with.
Speaker 7: Time and maturity and experiences and things like that. And
Speaker 7: that's why a lot of teams do worry about younger,
Speaker 7: younger guys becoming because it's like the problem here was
Speaker 7: like Dak is looking at Kellen and they too cool. Yeah, cool,
Speaker 7: they're too cool. This is your OC, this is this
Speaker 7: is who runs this offense, and you have to put
Speaker 7: it on the field.
Speaker 9: Y'all can't be buddy buddy like that.
Speaker 7: He needs that OC needs to be able to tell
Speaker 7: you that, hey, Doc, you get into the line too slow.
Speaker 7: But if y'all friends, it's like, hey, bro, you kinda no.
Speaker 7: There's a level of I like, there's it's a chain
Speaker 7: of command in a sense.
Speaker 5: To that point too, though, like so do we not
Speaker 5: remember how things were falling apart with the offense under
Speaker 5: kelln Oh?
Speaker 6: Like do we not remember?
Speaker 9: Do we not remember how fat I watched it in Philly.
Speaker 6: It was phill Literally, you just watched it.
Speaker 5: But the problem is is when I was talking about
Speaker 5: multiple players that year, okay, and again some are still
Speaker 5: in that locker room. Max tell me when McCarthy took
Speaker 5: over the play calling, like yeah, now I actually can
Speaker 5: get it, Like I'm sorry. It was too overwhelming for
Speaker 5: these players, veteran and rookie players back then. Okay, And
Speaker 5: there was no I don't want to say open door
Speaker 5: policy from what I heard, but there was little to
Speaker 5: no room for suggestions on how to make it better
Speaker 5: based on the skill sets these players knew.
Speaker 6: They could bring.
Speaker 5: So for me as a head coach, you need to
Speaker 5: also have an open door policy to a point of
Speaker 5: hey man, you need you need to be able to
Speaker 5: take feedback and apply it in how you think is
Speaker 5: going to make this team better. And I just don't
Speaker 5: know if Kellen can be that guy like I, I
Speaker 5: don't know.
Speaker 4: I don't think he's getting any votes. I'm a hard pass.
Speaker 4: I'm a hard pass.
Speaker 6: Raise your hand if you think.
Speaker 7: Asked the questions I'm not trying to see under this
Speaker 7: table is I'm not trying to see three comeback routes
Speaker 7: on a third and twelve no more?
Speaker 5: And do you remember all the drop passes that season
Speaker 5: because nobody was running their routes because they were all
Speaker 5: confused of where to go?
Speaker 6: Like do we not remember? And are you so quick
Speaker 6: to forget this?
Speaker 9: And I'm not going to be mean.
Speaker 7: I have looked within Kellen's offenses. I looked within his
Speaker 7: offense last year with the Chargers. I've looked within his
Speaker 7: offense last year with Philly. He has made improvements as
Speaker 7: a play caller, he has matured in some areas. He's
Speaker 7: had to say that, well, that's half of that's that's
Speaker 7: and that's half of what's going on in Philly right now.
Speaker 7: But let's not forget that they've been boxing in that
Speaker 7: locker room about touches, people.
Speaker 4: On the sideline reading books during games. The book is
Speaker 4: crazy and we love it. We love it.
Speaker 9: We love an intellectual man absolutely.
Speaker 7: However, that to me, keep that energy over there, like
Speaker 7: I'm fine with it. I'm more open to some of
Speaker 7: the other candidates, like man, the cowboys love spending the
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Speaker 2: I was gonna talk by Zimmer, but we're gonna wait
Speaker 2: to the last of it for this one out.
Speaker 4: Sorry, ladies.
Speaker 2: Troy Aigman's comments on Monday Night Countdown, we talked about.
Speaker 3: The strays that have been coming.
Speaker 2: That was one of them, all right, and he basically
Speaker 2: did not agree with the Dallas Cowboys head coaching job
Speaker 2: being a coveted job, which is a desired job, so
Speaker 2: to speak, and it's he basically said also that it
Speaker 2: suggests that the cowboy have no real.
Speaker 4: Plan as of right now.
Speaker 2: If y'all are the front office, I want to get
Speaker 2: y'all's thoughts on how y'all.
Speaker 4: Would attack this situation.
Speaker 6: If I'm the front office, y'all are the front office.
Speaker 6: What is there to attack?
Speaker 5: Like it's get me genuinely, No, but genuinely, If I'm the.
Speaker 6: Front office and I say I operate as the.
Speaker 5: Front office does, it's onto the next news cycle the
Speaker 5: next day, like it's it's in one ear out the other. Like, yes,
Speaker 5: you respect what Troy Eichmann has to say if you're
Speaker 5: in the front office. I'm not saying Jess Novars, I'm
Speaker 5: not Jessnavur's opinion is very different. But truly we know
Speaker 5: that news good or bad, keeps your name in the
Speaker 5: news cycle and just adds to that. So personally, I
Speaker 5: think Troy's comments are valid if you're a human with
Speaker 5: a job, because think about it. Say you get a
Speaker 5: job where you're applying for a job and this job
Speaker 5: has no real sense of stability. Do you want that job?
Speaker 5: Do you want to go to that job? No matter
Speaker 5: how glamorous this job seems. You know, you have so
Speaker 5: many great aspects about this job, but as a human
Speaker 5: with the family, with whatever moving parts you have in
Speaker 5: your life, there's no real sense.
Speaker 6: Of stability here.
Speaker 5: So I agree to an extent with what Troy said.
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna argue with Troy Aigman, like not trying
Speaker 5: to do that either. Uh, but I do think there's
Speaker 5: some validity in what he said. Now, if you're at
Speaker 5: the front office, how do you handle it?
Speaker 6: You just don't like.
Speaker 5: There's nothing, there's nothing that you're gonna say about it,
Speaker 5: Like it's in when you're out, the other rolls off
Speaker 5: your back because your next news cycle is gonna come
Speaker 5: up soon.
Speaker 8: What about you, Brie.
Speaker 4: I'm thinking about the analogy used about marriage, right, they
Speaker 4: and new mediation. This is the thing we know. Jerry
Speaker 4: Jones holds two titles, the owner in the GM. He's
Speaker 4: made it very clear he is the GM. That is
Speaker 4: why he bought this team. That is fair. So for
Speaker 4: a healthy marriage, even though I haven't been married, what
Speaker 4: my grandparents have told me fifty years plus marriage, there
Speaker 4: has to be compromise that is a successful marriage. These
Speaker 4: marriages with Jerry Jones and the head coaches as GM,
Speaker 4: they haven't been successful obviously, right, they haven't met the
Speaker 4: goal that winning the standard right, So I feel like
Speaker 4: to Troy Aikman's he's correct, to an extent because you're
Speaker 4: a head coach and you're going to have to compromise,
Speaker 4: you know that taking the job. But I think you
Speaker 4: need the GM to be able just to trickle a
Speaker 4: little bit more on the compromise. If you are looking
Speaker 4: at yourself in the mirror, which the players told us
Speaker 4: they were doing all season long, right man in the mirror?
Speaker 4: We heard that in the beginning. Well, now Jerry has
Speaker 4: to kind of look a little bit, just a little bit,
Speaker 4: just give a little bit. And then I think you
Speaker 4: need a head coach who, if it is a young
Speaker 4: o see that needs to be able to know how
Speaker 4: to I think it's how you approach Jerry Jones. You
Speaker 4: know how something, If you want something, you got to
Speaker 4: kind of make that person feel like it's their idea
Speaker 4: and that was a good idea, like how you used
Speaker 4: to go to you like your dad and your mom. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's not it's not disrespectful, it's not I'm right, you're wrong.
Speaker 4: It's just that's a great idea. But what about if
Speaker 4: we did it like this? And I think you need
Speaker 4: someone strong enough to come in here and do that
Speaker 4: and stick to it and not try to be his buddy,
Speaker 4: his pal and that that's that's what they need.
Speaker 5: It's a lot of extra work. It sounds like on
Speaker 5: top of the work of already.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but if people want to run their comments Jerry
Speaker 4: don't care, that's okay, cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna be I'm sick of you.
Speaker 8: Listen.
Speaker 7: I mean you mentioned the word compromise, And what comes
Speaker 7: to mind to me is how many times do you
Speaker 7: can how many times we hear players say in an
Speaker 7: interview towards this part of the year, like, Oh, if
Speaker 7: he's able to have full control, if he's able to
Speaker 7: do the things that he wants to do, Blase, that
Speaker 7: would insinuate to me that maybe there isn't the compromising
Speaker 7: that you're talking about going on. And that's the thing
Speaker 7: is like football operations, the football operations part of things
Speaker 7: feels like at this point it is getting overshadowed by
Speaker 7: a lot of the other things that go on with
Speaker 7: the team, and you cannot not prioritize the team building.
Speaker 8: Right, that's the problem. Like, that's half of the problem.
Speaker 7: And the coaches want to have freedom in the team
Speaker 7: building because whatever happens up there is a direct reflection
Speaker 7: of them.
Speaker 9: But you can be chilling it upstairs and it is
Speaker 9: a reflection.
Speaker 7: But at the same time, it's like, no, like the
Speaker 7: head coach is going to be held accountable for so
Speaker 7: much of the things that go on the field, and
Speaker 7: if they don't have the freedom or the compromise to
Speaker 7: be able to exercise their opinions and what they want
Speaker 7: to do. If you're coming into a job that you
Speaker 7: don't have creative freedom.
Speaker 4: Are we even gonna do that?
Speaker 7: Yeah? Like on a base level, are we even gonna
Speaker 7: do that if you were applying for a job. So
Speaker 7: for me, I agree, it's there has to be like
Speaker 7: you said, he has to look himself in the mirror.
Speaker 8: It's probably a big mirror, might be one on the ceiling.
Speaker 4: I'm sick, look himself in the mirror and ask himself.
Speaker 8: You mentioned earlier.
Speaker 7: That's why I said, do they really do you really
Speaker 7: want to win? Because that might mean taking some risk
Speaker 7: in different ways too. It might mean taking some more
Speaker 7: risk and free agency. It might mean taking a risk
Speaker 7: on a young OC that hasn't maybe made it as
Speaker 7: a head coach.
Speaker 9: But that's what a lot of.
Speaker 7: These teams that have been successful have done. They see
Speaker 7: that they have creative minds and they're like, you know what,
Speaker 7: We're gonna put you in the spot and see if
Speaker 7: you can handle it. And it's worked out for several teams,
Speaker 7: So for me, they're gonna have to get a little
Speaker 7: bit more innovative and how they team build.
Speaker 9: But they're also going to have the baby steal.
Speaker 7: For the love of God, please steal some of these
Speaker 7: other team's ideas. If you see them doing something right, please,
Speaker 7: Like if I seeing them doing something right, do it.
Speaker 9: But on a football level, the way that football is
Speaker 9: played right now.
Speaker 7: You're not keeping up with it the way that I
Speaker 7: would rejoice seeing a freaking deep crosser, and that's something
Speaker 7: that teams do every play.
Speaker 2: For the love of God, I think that what y'all
Speaker 2: are saying about the compromising, they also have to remember
Speaker 2: that it's the benefit of these players too. Please, because
Speaker 2: Brandon Cooks not having a thousand yard season like he's
Speaker 2: had with other teams unacceptable. Rico o'doddell finally getting that
Speaker 2: one thousand yard rushing, but it took to what week eight,
Speaker 2: week nine till he was finally running back one. There
Speaker 2: needs to be a little bit of compromising for the
Speaker 2: betterment of everyone, because everybody benefits from that compromising. But
Speaker 2: now when you look at Mike McCarthy not here, who
Speaker 2: does that benefit Who does that not benefit?
Speaker 4: On this team? Compromising goes hand in hand.
Speaker 5: Look, right now, not having a head coach doesn't benefit anybody, Like,
Speaker 5: there's no benefits to not having a head coach. They
Speaker 5: feel behind, they fell behind.
Speaker 6: They've done this a week ago.
Speaker 5: It could be a different conversation of they were ahead
Speaker 5: of the game, now they're not. And so you're talking
Speaker 5: if you truly want to pick somebody off of a
Speaker 5: playoff winning team currently in the state of the NFL,
Speaker 5: you're going to have to wait a few weeks to
Speaker 5: do that. And then again, what are you doing in
Speaker 5: the meantime still interviewing people that you kind of have
Speaker 5: to at this point, Like, if you want a good
Speaker 5: coach that's coming out of a good program that is successful,
Speaker 5: you have to wait a while. And for me, there's
Speaker 5: no benefit to that right now because the draft is
Speaker 5: right around the corner and you need a head coach
Speaker 5: in here to help delegate what kind of players he
Speaker 5: needs to put his system into place, Like, there's no
Speaker 5: benefit to not having anybody in here right now.
Speaker 6: There's just not and.
Speaker 5: Until they do that, we can't really talk about what
Speaker 5: the benefits are because we don't know what that will
Speaker 5: look like.
Speaker 4: The timing thing is huge because to me, I only
Speaker 4: want to talk to the coaches who are still playing
Speaker 4: and then are in contention for Super Bowl, and those
Speaker 4: coaches you cannot talk to you right now. But uh,
Speaker 4: it's we're exiting out killamore and that in that.
Speaker 7: Uh, I had to cross it off because I was
Speaker 7: like that that was who I thought Jerry was speaking of.
Speaker 5: My way, that's my vote, but we're playing survivors next check.
Speaker 4: But I think that's that's the hard part. When they
Speaker 4: were losing all those games in a row, the way
Speaker 4: that they were losing, finishing two and seven at home,
Speaker 4: and you have someone asking you after the game in
Speaker 4: mid season, is McCarthy still the guy? And that was
Speaker 4: the question for multiple games in my mind, you know
Speaker 4: what kind of contract you're offering. Even if he does,
Speaker 4: you know you're hoping that, you know, like he did,
Speaker 4: they kind of stood on business the back seams a
Speaker 4: little bit too late. But I feel like at that point,
Speaker 4: when you saw you were not going to the playoffs,
Speaker 4: you know you're not giving him that fat contract. You
Speaker 4: know you're not it's not going to be probably not
Speaker 4: three past three years right. Two is in my mind
Speaker 4: is what's probably yeah, what's too low and their speculation
Speaker 4: on that. But bottom line is, if I'm in the
Speaker 4: front office and my season is a feil and we're
Speaker 4: in season five, maybe I can hang my hat on
Speaker 4: the injuries, okay, and I can give him something else.
Speaker 4: But I know it's not going to be lengthy. So
Speaker 4: I'm going to have that discussion with you prior to it. Manda, Man, Like,
Speaker 4: this is what I'm a fan of.
Speaker 5: You.
Speaker 4: I like the foundation. This is not the success. I
Speaker 4: got fans turning on me right now. I gotta do something.
Speaker 4: And this is how I compromise with this. You know whatever,
Speaker 4: you and I have been in local TV, even though
Speaker 4: you don't go, Hey, my name is Nicole and I'm
Speaker 4: interested in this job. But what's the pay and what's
Speaker 4: the contract look like? But you kind of have an
Speaker 4: eye Ida once you know what I'm saying. That's that's
Speaker 4: the problem that I'm having hours before he's a free agent. Like,
Speaker 4: that's that's the part. I agree with you.
Speaker 7: God, Yeah, I don't think it benefits to just this
Speaker 7: point to your point, I don't think it benefits really
Speaker 7: anyone given the state of like what your team is
Speaker 7: in right now.
Speaker 8: Because let me just say this.
Speaker 7: For the people who get ticked off when people mention like, Okay,
Speaker 7: well we don't know the head coach, so it puts
Speaker 7: us us like a damper on you preparing for draft.
Speaker 8: That whole cliche.
Speaker 7: It shouldn't matter draft the best players. I don't know
Speaker 7: what world you're living in. They ain't have football work.
Speaker 7: Schemes matter, like body types, all that stuff factors into
Speaker 7: the way these coaches have an impact on the draft. Now,
Speaker 7: you don't need to go BBA, but in doing that,
Speaker 7: you are building. We don't know what the coach that
Speaker 7: comes here is gonna want to build.
Speaker 4: You look at Philly Fangio.
Speaker 7: They went out and got all these fantastic like that
Speaker 7: secondary because the way that Vic Fangio runs his defense,
Speaker 7: you gotta be able to come downhill, you gotta be
Speaker 7: able to tackle, you gotta be able to read. And
Speaker 7: they went and got players that fit that mold. No
Speaker 7: different than what Dallas is gonna be. We saw Dan
Speaker 7: Quinn's imprint on the draft four years, so stop playing
Speaker 7: with me. Stop acting like that's not a thing. But
Speaker 7: I will say it doesn't to your again, to revert
Speaker 7: back to the original point, it doesn't benefit anyone.
Speaker 8: It puts you behind the eight ball.
Speaker 7: You're already behind the eight ball, and now you're gonna
Speaker 7: have to.
Speaker 8: Go into this draft season.
Speaker 7: You know, when a new coach coming in, trying to
Speaker 7: figure out philosophy all that stuff. Then you're gonna have
Speaker 7: to go through a whole new install period. And here's
Speaker 7: the thing about bringing in like a new coach and
Speaker 7: stuff like that, there are gonna be some growing pains
Speaker 7: with learning a new system. You went through it this
Speaker 7: year with Mike zimmer even so you went through it
Speaker 7: with Mike McCarthy the last two years, three years with
Speaker 7: his offense.
Speaker 8: Like the first five weeks it was like what is
Speaker 8: going on here?
Speaker 7: So we know that that's a thing, but you know
Speaker 7: what overshadows that just getting more talent. Are you gonna
Speaker 7: do that? Are you gonna put yourself in position to Britain.
Speaker 7: That's the thing that makes me worried is like, are
Speaker 7: you gonna waste multiple games to start your season because
Speaker 7: your team is still trying to get a feel.
Speaker 8: For things go and especially have preseason and stuff.
Speaker 7: But they also too, are you gonna put the necessarily
Speaker 7: necessary talent in this building? You already have talent here.
Speaker 7: Are you gonna add some of the role players? Are
Speaker 7: you gonna go out in free agency? So the beginning
Speaker 7: of this new install in this new coaching regime can
Speaker 7: have some success and some confidence as well. So for me,
Speaker 7: it's like you're behind the eight ball anyway, you're already behind.
Speaker 8: It's not a good look. That's gonna put you behind.
Speaker 7: And I will say that maybe a new coaching staff,
Speaker 7: depending on who it is, if it's someone innovative, it
Speaker 7: will benefit your offense.
Speaker 4: If nothing more. And you say the word waste, I'm
Speaker 4: thinking of Dak Prescott. He's not getting any younger he deserves.
Speaker 4: I feel like when I have, okay, we got some
Speaker 4: young talent quarterbacks, and I feel like he's still a
Speaker 4: top ten quarterback in my mind absolutely. So the time
Speaker 4: is ticking though, Like he's had two really major injuries.
Speaker 4: Going to come back and it's going to be a
Speaker 4: mental thing. He was already struggling being that mobile quarterback.
Speaker 4: If he will going back. You know, they had a
Speaker 4: little joke like Aaron Rodgers got more Russian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know Clarence soy hetty Eddy King, right, LaRence,
Speaker 2: but Clarence, my boy. But that's what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 2: whereas I'm okay with we're gonna be all in, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm okay with getting some creative play, calling some creative
Speaker 2: mind in here, right, and I'm tying him into DAK and.
Speaker 4: CD because I got that's my ceiling. I'm not really
Speaker 4: thinking past that because I have the foundation right now
Speaker 4: and it's time to go all in. It's time to
Speaker 4: hit free agency because I'm sick watching the Eagles and
Speaker 4: I'm like, that was only five point five man, Yeah,
Speaker 4: then I'm looking at Bobby Oh my god, like sixty
Speaker 4: five ways. All right, you do, It's time to be
Speaker 4: I hate saying it because they said it all season,
Speaker 4: but all in like it really.
Speaker 5: Is, but genuinely all in, like not pretend all in
Speaker 5: like actions and words that part. And not only that,
Speaker 5: but you look at the laundry list to free agents
Speaker 5: that this team has right now.
Speaker 6: You have to It does hurt. It hurts real bad.
Speaker 5: You have to decide who your key impact makers were
Speaker 5: on that list and find a way to obtain your
Speaker 5: talent because what you're doing if you don't obtain good
Speaker 5: talent in this building is one, to Troy Aigman's point,
Speaker 5: you're making it less attractive for players to want to
Speaker 5: come here because they don't have a longevity in this
Speaker 5: building right. And for two, you also aren't building off
Speaker 5: of what you've been coaching them and somewhere that they
Speaker 5: know and that they most likely do want to stay at.
Speaker 6: Like it's you have to start there as well.
Speaker 5: And then yes, go shopping, get some big names, find
Speaker 5: some good prices, cap room, cap salary, cap space, make room,
Speaker 5: adjust some contracts, figure out, do what you need to
Speaker 5: do to be able to go on in like limiting
Speaker 5: yourself to oh there's no cap space. Be proactive, sign
Speaker 5: your big players first. You know those contracts are coming up.
Speaker 5: Guess who's next, Micah Parsons, figure it out. Like just
Speaker 5: procrastinating and constantly putting yourself behind the sticks literally and figuratively,
Speaker 5: penalties and outside like I mean, it's not doing anything
Speaker 5: for anybody, and it's the reason that you continue to
Speaker 5: be in this bind a year after year.
Speaker 8: At this point point about Dak Prescott is this.
Speaker 6: Year, why am I being shady?
Speaker 2: I'm planned no you start with the twenty six free agents,
Speaker 2: then you obviously have to prioritize what how you want
Speaker 2: to build around Dak Prescott, how you want to build
Speaker 2: around Ceedee Lamb and Michael Parsons because they are the
Speaker 2: future here.
Speaker 3: It's a long list, got it should be prioritized here
Speaker 3: on this team.
Speaker 2: But I do want to talk about what are some
Speaker 2: who are some options that you feel could build off
Speaker 2: of what Mike McCarthy did with Dak in his growth
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Speaker 4: To figure it's gonna be so much fun.
Speaker 2: I was literally upstairs, like obviously taking notes on like
Speaker 2: the whole coaching thing. Yeah, but I was also watching
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Speaker 3: All right, let's get back to what really matters.
Speaker 2: And we were just talking about how Mike McCarthy and
Speaker 2: he played a huge role in the development in Dak.
Speaker 3: Some people believe it was Kellen Moore. You talk about
Speaker 3: twenty twenty one and Dak.
Speaker 2: Prescott throwing thirty seven touchdown passes, But let's talk about
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy and obviously just putting the installing that confidence
Speaker 2: in Dak to start being a little bit more mobile,
Speaker 2: more of an all around quarterback. I think that Mike
Speaker 2: McCarthy definitely deserves the credit. But when you look at
Speaker 2: now no more Mike McCarthy, who can come in here
Speaker 2: and build off of what he did with Dak.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of head coaching options.
Speaker 8: There's some options we got Ben.
Speaker 2: Johnson, Liam Cohen, Cliff Kingsbury, Quingsburry, Oh goodness, straight today
Speaker 2: is today?
Speaker 4: Kingsbury, Joe Brady.
Speaker 2: We're not gonna talk Kellen Moore because we already talked Kellen.
Speaker 6: No, no one want to go with those. We're gonna
Speaker 6: quit Pee Carroll.
Speaker 3: We got Pete Carroll as well. Yeah, quite some options out.
Speaker 4: I wrote two lists. Okay, let's see what you like,
Speaker 4: but I put what I I think Jerry wants exactly first.
Speaker 6: You want, yeah, say you're the front office.
Speaker 4: I'm so. I'm a very anything with the Lions that's
Speaker 4: attached to it. They had absolutely nothing. I want it, Yes,
Speaker 4: I want to personally though, for this team and seeing
Speaker 4: the defense save the offense so many times the offense
Speaker 4: could not, even when Dak was here. That what make
Speaker 4: me want that offensive minded OC coming into this building.
Speaker 4: As much as I'm a fan of that is that's
Speaker 4: the only thing right, But everything else I think it matches.
Speaker 4: But I just feel like this team needs that offensive
Speaker 4: minded creativeness. I'm a little biased because I was saw
Speaker 4: Joe Brady when he was in LSU. I covered lab
Speaker 4: during that run. It was fun, fantastic to see and
Speaker 4: then to see him have that opportunity in Buffalo where
Speaker 4: Alpha was at. When I tell you, guys, Buffalo was
Speaker 4: in a similar situation, had all this talent. You know,
Speaker 4: that was the time where we had Digs and we
Speaker 4: weren't doing anything with it and let go of our
Speaker 4: OC mid season and took one game. I remember, it
Speaker 4: was a whole different offense. Yeah, because we started to
Speaker 4: utilize our running backs. Yes, so yes, that's why I
Speaker 4: am a wow, right, and just what they're doing now,
Speaker 4: Like the biggest talk going into that season was Digs
Speaker 4: is out. The biggest star power is Curtis Samuel and
Speaker 4: you know, like there was nothing right we got it
Speaker 4: was just it's still insane to see like this team
Speaker 4: could We're looking at a Lion's possibly build super Bowl.
Speaker 4: Who would have thought when you get a little creative.
Speaker 4: So I'll take anybody from either one of that staff
Speaker 4: to be honest.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean retweet like truly.
Speaker 5: I think for a while now when the whole coaching
Speaker 5: conversation would come up in waves throughout the season, Ben
Speaker 5: Johnson was a name that obviously came up because look
Speaker 5: what he has done and in the best complimented way possible.
Speaker 5: The problem I see for that though, is will he
Speaker 5: have the talent to be able to utilize his skill
Speaker 5: set the most? That's what I worry about because right
Speaker 5: now you're talking about running the ball.
Speaker 6: Who's your running back?
Speaker 5: Rayco's a free agent, like you need the talent to
Speaker 5: fill in, which is akin why you would prefer to
Speaker 5: already have talked to some of these guys that we
Speaker 5: couldgo but here nor there. I'm gonna say the same thing.
Speaker 5: But also, you want somebody in the Shanahan tree like
Speaker 5: that seems to be your what, your kryptonite, your dragon.
Speaker 5: You can't slay every metaphor possible. Somebody that has a
Speaker 5: record to beat.
Speaker 6: The Shanahan tree.
Speaker 5: Who can come in and really teach these guys Dak
Speaker 5: included just new innovative ways to utilize their skill set.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure, honestly, I.
Speaker 6: I'm so torn.
Speaker 5: I'm so torn, But I'm gonna go Ben Johnson. If
Speaker 5: we're living in my fun little bubble of a world,
Speaker 5: Jerry bubble of a world is probably different than mine.
Speaker 5: So I think on that list we kind of have
Speaker 5: an inkling of who he would pick.
Speaker 4: But we love Ben here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got thirty seconds. We got a heart out
Speaker 2: at one fifty. I was told that go.
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, So for me, I'm of the same elk.
Speaker 7: I think that Ben Johnson or Aaron Glenn would be
Speaker 7: fantastic for these young men in the locker room. But
Speaker 7: I also think Liam Cohen and what he's done with
Speaker 7: Tampa Bay's offense.
Speaker 8: I remember looking at their film and looking at how they.
Speaker 7: Run the ball, how creative they are, and that way
Speaker 7: they run the ball, some of the ways that they
Speaker 7: use their their receivers as well, So I thought that
Speaker 7: that was dope.
Speaker 8: So for me, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 7: Just somewhat innovative that actually can capture a locker room.
Speaker 8: That's just all I care about.
Speaker 4: All right, straight like that, all right, we gotta go
Speaker 4: on that note.
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Speaker 3: Will be back here next week.
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