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Speaker 2: Mitchell Lamar Taxi got his money?

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Speaker 1: Oh did he ever?

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Speaker 2: Rich I.

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Speaker 3: Didn't see this coming, but I guess the Ravens really

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Speaker 3: had no choice. I mean initial impact, Like, obviously this

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Speaker 3: guy's a game breaker on the field. But Richard, your

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Speaker 3: initial impressions of this breaking news.

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Speaker 2: Mitchell I heard so many people that are gonna have

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Speaker 2: to eat their words. Florio's gonna have to. He's gonna

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Speaker 2: carry the agent's water. He's gonna do that. That's what

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Speaker 2: he does. He's gonna say Lamar had somebody working in

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Speaker 2: the back Brown and all this nonsense. After he just

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Speaker 2: said he didn't have an agent. He needs an agent.

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Speaker 2: He eat somebody's talking for him. YadA, YadA, YadA. The

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Speaker 2: highest paid player and the history of the National Football

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Speaker 2: League had no agent, he said. Mitchell fifty two million

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Speaker 2: dollars a year, as reported by a rapport.

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Speaker 1: That's one point five a year.

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Speaker 2: That he says, Mitchell, the guarantee of one hundred and

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Speaker 2: eighty five million, Mitchell, that's five point five million that

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Speaker 2: he's saved by not having an agent over the lifetime.

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Speaker 2: He sees the two hundred and sixty that'll be seven

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Speaker 2: point eight million, he's saying, And.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's like, he just had his mom. He just had

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Speaker 1: his mom.

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Speaker 2: His mom was doing a deal, like man, he needs

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Speaker 2: money out of his mouth when things aren't going break.

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Speaker 2: Critics are everywhere Mitchell, But instead of critics today, he's

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Speaker 2: gonna have crickets, Mitchell. It's gonna be crickets because nobody

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Speaker 2: wants to give it credit because the agents are sitting

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Speaker 2: there listening to a guy saying, hey, hey, I'm the

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Speaker 2: highest paid player in the history of the National Football

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Speaker 2: League and I didn't have anybody.

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Speaker 1: Who represented me.

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Speaker 2: I did it myself because at the end of the day,

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Speaker 2: a standard deal is gonna be a standard deal. Now.

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Speaker 2: Nicole Lynn, who just negotiated Jalen Hirts deal, fantastic deal,

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Speaker 2: fantastic agent. I think she got another great client this year.

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Speaker 2: She got a lot of great clients. Fantastic agent. Nothing

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Speaker 2: against her, nothing against the bial. But it can be

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Speaker 2: done this play. And we've been saying that Bobby Wagner

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Speaker 2: was another example who got a great deal paid at

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Speaker 2: his position at the time. He negotiated this deal. It

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Speaker 2: can't happen. Rokwan Smith did it himself. This year highest

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Speaker 2: paid linebacker in football did the deal himself. So what

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Speaker 2: does this mean for Lamar? It means Baltimore. It's going

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Speaker 2: to be his home for a long time. Odal Beckham

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Speaker 2: Junior as this quarterback, I'm looking forward to him having

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Speaker 2: a great season with an actual, true number one receiver.

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Speaker 1: He has a true number.

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Speaker 2: One get open, get money, I got to get thing.

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Speaker 3: I'm impressed. But really, Rich, I think the biggest thing

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Speaker 3: with with Lamar Jackson how he played this. He bet

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Speaker 3: He bet on himself from the standpoint of he didn't

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Speaker 3: He played through that deal and he created so much

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Speaker 3: leverage for his position. Rich to me, I think the

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Speaker 3: Baltimore Ravens had no other choice. I mean, is Lamar

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Speaker 3: Jackson worth this amount of money? I don't know. I

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Speaker 3: mean he didn't. You know, he's a super talented player,

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Speaker 3: But Rich, what he did better than any quarterback has

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Speaker 3: And that's why I'll throw this back at you. Someone

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Speaker 3: not be worth one percent. Could not make this contract

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't think so, because it's the richest contract international

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Speaker 2: like we're speaking without president. We're speaking with the immediate president.

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Speaker 2: a fantastic job. Great deal. That was a great deal

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Speaker 2: highst paid player. Lamar exceeded that deal by himself, and

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Speaker 2: so could an agent have made that five hundred thousand dollars, Maybe,

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Speaker 2: and they've been feeding up that for a long time.

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Speaker 2: There's so many people that are involved in these deals.

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Speaker 2: There's so many lawyers, there's the nflpaight. At the end

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Speaker 2: At the end of the day, every every language. He's

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Speaker 2: He's gonna say, Hey, this language right here. You may

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Speaker 2: want to take out Hey on your team. The Baltimore Ravens.

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Speaker 2: This is the best language. These things are the best language.

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Speaker 2: These guarantees aren't really guarantees, they're rolling guarantees. If they

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Speaker 1: It's not rocket science.

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Speaker 2: Now, are there agents who have relationships and been in

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Speaker 1: When Burrows comes up.

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Speaker 2: Burrow's deal isn't gonna be hard to negotiate, Mitchelle, it's

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Speaker 1: He's gonna get more than what Lamar Jackson just got.

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Speaker 2: How much you get Herbert more than what Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 1: All that is debatable.

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Speaker 2: What will not be debated is whether they'll make and

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Speaker 3: I mean you were kind of I don't want to

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Speaker 2: They didn't fully guarantee the large deal. They didn't fully

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Speaker 2: the game is about the quarterback and who can do it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is this is huge, especially with the

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Speaker 3: they got OBJ. I mean, they're they're healthy with JK. Dobbins. Now,

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Speaker 3: you know, if I have some weapons around Lamar. This

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Speaker 2: I think people limited Lamar Jackson and made him feel

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Speaker 2: well when in college he played nothing but the spread.

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Speaker 2: I think he has a new offensive coort in him now,

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Speaker 2: Is going to be an adjustment, but I think it's gonna.

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Speaker 1: Be good for Lamar.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be allowed him to showcase his talents more.

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Speaker 2: He got to do that a bit last year as well,

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Speaker 2: I think this it's going to be a fun year

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Speaker 2: how he responds. You know, a year full of criticism. Hey,

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Speaker 2: he never stays healthy. He hasn't stayed played. He missed

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Speaker 3: After all, I already know that Lamar got a big

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Speaker 3: fan in you now rich with whether he what he's

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Speaker 3: and in the NFL world, right, I mean, it's doesn't

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Speaker 3: get much better than this. We see what happens. I mean,

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Speaker 3: we got the NFL Draft tonight. Rich I know you're

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Speaker 3: out of the country, but what do you think's going on?

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Speaker 1: I just don't know.

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Speaker 2: It's starting to get to be too much noise out

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Speaker 2: you got some experts saying, hey, we four quarterbacks are

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Speaker 2: experts saying, hey, it's not going to be a quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Richardson may not go to a twenty five. And then

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Speaker 2: now you're hearing Hindon Hooker won't last until twenty You know,

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Speaker 2: we weren't hearing Hndon Hooker because he was hurt. We

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Speaker 2: weren't hearing ton of it about his name. And now

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Speaker 2: you're talking teams are changing their minds. You're talking about

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Speaker 2: Paris Johnson and old tackle. You know, they're talking about

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Speaker 2: people Arizona moving up, I mean trading back and still

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Speaker 2: I think Jalen Carter is still the best player in

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Speaker 2: the draft, and I think that's still consensus. I think

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Speaker 2: the questions are going to allow him to fall. It's

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Speaker 2: just like learning me Tumsel did that year. But I

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Speaker 2: don't think he falls past Seattle. I think c J.

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Speaker 2: Stroud is the second best quarterback in this draft. I

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Speaker 2: I believe it when I see it. I believe it

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Speaker 2: when I see it. Uell Anderson is a heck of

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Speaker 2: it's not a predictable draft. They're saying this may be

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Speaker 2: of course that's what they're gonna say.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Rich Well, listen, we have breaking news. I'm glad we

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Speaker 3: were able to break it on the Richard Sherman podcast. Here,

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Speaker 3: I'll let you sign us off.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys.

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Speaker 3: Again.

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Speaker 2: I'm out the country, but we're still giving you this content.

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Speaker 2: We had to give it. I'm so happy for Lamar

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Speaker 2: Jackson went through so much scrutiny, this year, so many

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Speaker 2: ups and downs mentally, and he's battled through. He's got

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Speaker 2: the money he deserves, and I love to see a

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Speaker 2: player get paid. Good luck to all the men today

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Speaker 2: that are getting picked, and good luck to the guys

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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that journey's over. It means you got more

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Speaker 2: work to do, and you got to stay focused and

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Speaker 2: you stay down. You don't got as long as a leash.

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Speaker 2: But we've seen some great ones go on draft. The

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