WEBVTT - Keith Richards and John Lennon Take an Acid Road Trip

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>And Hey, Elizabeth Saron, how are you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm well, how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>You look? Well? You look really well rested.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a glow to you.

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<v Speaker 3>So do you?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you? I'm I'm feeling like a pregnant woman. I

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<v Speaker 2>got a glow to me.

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<v Speaker 3>You look fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. I got a question for you another one

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<v Speaker 2>second one. Actually I haven't asked you one yet, so

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<v Speaker 2>I guess this is my first question. I like strike

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<v Speaker 2>that from the record. The question is this, do you

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<v Speaker 2>know what's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 3>I do. I do know what's ridiculous. I want to

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<v Speaker 3>just establish something first though, that we have maybe not

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<v Speaker 3>all that. We don't like all the same things.

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<v Speaker 2>You and I.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but they compliment each other.

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<v Speaker 2>I would agree with that.

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<v Speaker 3>You like Josh allenback and you like Snickers bars.

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<v Speaker 2>I love Snickers bars.

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<v Speaker 3>And I like sauces. Stop it go on.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm gonna have an open mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, open up because Snickers is teaming up with Josh Allen.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's not bad as a mashup.

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<v Speaker 3>To make sauces. I know, I really was. So there

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<v Speaker 3>are these dipping sauces barbecue.

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<v Speaker 2>Sauces for Snickers.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, for Snickers. So there are three flavors.

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<v Speaker 2>I dip my Snickers in this.

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<v Speaker 3>Snickers caramel or caramel Buffalo sauce. So Parade Magazine, which

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<v Speaker 3>is my favorite source, says a sweet and spicy buffalo

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<v Speaker 3>wing style sauce with cayenne level heat and a vinegary sharpness,

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<v Speaker 3>versatile enough to be used on chicken, pizza, baked potatoes,

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<v Speaker 3>et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I was about ask is this for my chicken

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<v Speaker 2>or for my Snickers?

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<v Speaker 3>It's for your chicken. Then there's Snickers chocolate barbecue sauce thick, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I would hope. So, a thick chocolate based sauce with

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<v Speaker 3>a complex barbecue flavor profile and end notes of cocoa.

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<v Speaker 3>The most interesting of the bunch would probably pair well

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<v Speaker 3>with brisket. And then the last of the triplets Snickers

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<v Speaker 3>peanut teriake sauce, a creamy and nutty sauce similar to

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<v Speaker 3>setee with chunks of Snickers peanuts. Recommended pairings include chicken,

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<v Speaker 3>rice noodles or crisp and cold crispy and cold lettuce.

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<v Speaker 3>Just pour it on the lettuce. Apparently there's an issue

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<v Speaker 3>where the holes in the in the containers are too small,

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<v Speaker 3>and it gets all jammed up with the peanuts in

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<v Speaker 3>the taste trials for Parade Magazine. Oh, they scooped it

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<v Speaker 3>out with a knife. Now here's the thing. I know

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<v Speaker 3>you want some, Sarah. You can't go to the store

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<v Speaker 3>and get them. It's part of a special promotion. You

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<v Speaker 3>get it for free if you purchase a package of

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<v Speaker 3>Snickers Minis from them during the halftime of the one

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<v Speaker 3>pm Eastern NFL games on Sundays in September.

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<v Speaker 2>And why do you do this to me and my football?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it looks I was gonna sign you up for

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<v Speaker 3>some of course, but it's it's very confusing to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I have a small god, and I know you get

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<v Speaker 3>irritated with me. No, I know the mashups. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>get mad at me, get mad at Mandy Hodge because

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<v Speaker 3>Mandy Hodge sent this to us.

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<v Speaker 2>And did this to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh huh.

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<v Speaker 2>I forgive you, man.

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<v Speaker 3>I am, but the messengers Aaron. This is all out

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<v Speaker 3>in the universe, and I just want you to know I.

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<v Speaker 2>Got nothing but love for you. Mandy. I forgive you

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<v Speaker 2>for this, this micro aggression, but not me, No, not you.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to kill the messenger, right. The saying goes

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<v Speaker 2>it don't kill the messenger, whatever it says.

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<v Speaker 3>Kill Elizabeth.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, wait, way to really just start this one off?

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<v Speaker 2>Nick Hay football season to me, huh right, Well, Lisabe,

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<v Speaker 2>I got a question for you, and this is a

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<v Speaker 2>fun question.

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<v Speaker 3>I like fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's actually not a question. I lied to you,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a statement.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>You know there are a number of famous acid trips

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<v Speaker 2>that change the world. Sure there, Well a few of

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<v Speaker 2>them are the stories I want to tell you today.

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<v Speaker 3>I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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<v Speaker 2>and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred percent ridiculous. Yes, Elizabeth, I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I've told you a few drug based stories on this show.

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<v Speaker 2>Usually it's about cocayene because cocayene often leads to drug

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<v Speaker 2>capers and ridiculous crimes.

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<v Speaker 3>Not of crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Today, I have something I think I've only talked about once,

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<v Speaker 2>which is acid aka a LSD. Okay, At the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>magic mushrooms and LSD are kind of having well a

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<v Speaker 2>moment because they're being reconsidered for their therapeutic benefits right

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<v Speaker 2>right right in the Silicon Valley. Microdosing is a buzzword.

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<v Speaker 2>And when it comes to LSD, if you can believe it,

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<v Speaker 2>the current FDA has, according to the Associated Press quote

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<v Speaker 2>designated psilocybin MDMA. And now LSD has potential breakthrough therapies.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I understand that it is with the proper

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<v Speaker 3>associative therapies and you know condition guide, Yeah, for stuff

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<v Speaker 3>like PTSD and anxiety.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a hell of an about face. When it comes

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<v Speaker 2>to psychedelics, yeah, yeah, that said. As you well know,

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<v Speaker 2>doing acid is still illegal, Yes it is. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>federal crime actually, and as I checked on the Department

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<v Speaker 2>of Justice website, they are only too happy to inform

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<v Speaker 2>you the quote LSD is illegal. LSD is a Schedule

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<v Speaker 2>one substance under the Controlled Substances Act, which means in California,

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<v Speaker 2>where we live, where a Silicon Valley is, LSD is

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<v Speaker 2>still one hundred percent illegal. Now, if you were caught

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<v Speaker 2>with LSD in California, and I mean LSD that's not

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<v Speaker 2>for sale, I mean you have some LSD on your

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<v Speaker 2>person or perhaps in your bloodstream, the penalties are a

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<v Speaker 2>possible misdemeanor. Yeah, but if you are convicted by a

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<v Speaker 2>judge for possessing a small amount of LSD, the punishment

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<v Speaker 2>can result in up to one year in a county

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<v Speaker 2>jail cell, along with a seventy dollars fine.

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<v Speaker 3>Should I should I call a tip line? No, you

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<v Speaker 3>should not call a pard like Palo alto go to.

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<v Speaker 2>Facebook's meta headquarters. Now, obviously this varies from state to state.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're caught with acid on federal lands, like say

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<v Speaker 2>a national park, then you can face federal penalties. For instance,

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<v Speaker 2>for your first defense, the punishment is quote a fine

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<v Speaker 2>of at least one thousand dollars in a prison sentence

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<v Speaker 2>of up to one year. If it's your second federal

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<v Speaker 2>charge for acid, it's quote a fine of at least

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<v Speaker 2>two five hundred dollars and fifteen days to two years

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<v Speaker 2>in prison. And if it's your third strike, you're looking

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<v Speaker 2>at quote a fine of at least five thousand dollars

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<v Speaker 2>ninety days to three years in prison.

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't it seem like a waste of time and resources?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? You don't, Yeah, you're asking me, Yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly, I mean, if you're dropping acid in like a

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<v Speaker 3>for a national forest, who cares.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, my rule and stuff is if you aren't

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<v Speaker 2>harming anybody, shouldn't be a crime, and that they argue

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<v Speaker 2>that you're harming yourself and therefore we have to set

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<v Speaker 2>you know, protect you from yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you can buy as much alcohol as you want.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know they don't have strong lobbyists for LSD

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<v Speaker 2>until now, until I get on the state, Like I'll.

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<v Speaker 3>Be the lobbyist who's never taken LSD and loby forre it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, that'd be a good one. Yeah, Like as

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<v Speaker 2>a straight I want to tell you now you may

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<v Speaker 2>be wondering, Zaren, if there's a possibility of going to

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<v Speaker 2>state or federal prison for a year or more just

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<v Speaker 2>for possessing acid, why would anyone risk it?

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<v Speaker 3>Why would anyone risk it?

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<v Speaker 2>Good question, Elizabeth, Thank you, And because as I can

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<v Speaker 2>tell you firsthand, LSD can be incredible. Equally, it also

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<v Speaker 2>can be a brutal bad trip, an everlasting nightmare for

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<v Speaker 2>like six to eight hours or more. And Elizabeth, you

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<v Speaker 2>just said you've never done acid novel once, right, not

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<v Speaker 2>even micro dosed it with your Silicon.

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<v Speaker 3>Valley friends, not that I know of.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, since you don't know the LSD experience. Having never

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<v Speaker 2>done it, I have some first hand accounts for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Celebrity acid trips, yes, thank you, and because those are fun,

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<v Speaker 2>even if they're not fun for the celebrities. Some good,

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<v Speaker 2>some bad stories, but I promise all of them are ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>I like it now.

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<v Speaker 2>Netflix has a documentary called Have a Good Trip, Adventures

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<v Speaker 2>and Psychedelics. It features a few great acid trip stories

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<v Speaker 2>to get us started. It also has interesting commentary if

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<v Speaker 2>you check it out, from a range of folks, from

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<v Speaker 2>doctors who study LSD to Deepak Chopra who is just

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<v Speaker 2>a casual acid fan. Oh really apparently so. One of

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite interviews in this doc is with Carrie Fisher. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have celebrity drug stories. Carrie Fisher is gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be a go to resource. So she says that she

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<v Speaker 2>was introduced to acid by her one time boyfriend John Belushi.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh my god, I thought starting out, it's so good already, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It turns out Carrie Fisher liked it. So by the

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<v Speaker 2>time she's doing acid, she's already famous as Princess Leah.

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<v Speaker 2>So she can't just drop a tab of acid and

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<v Speaker 2>bounce around in la which means as she recalled for

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<v Speaker 2>the documentary, she'd schedule acid trips in foreign look house.

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<v Speaker 2>In foreign look that's what we call acid Chica, is

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<v Speaker 2>Carrie Fisher put it quote, I would organize trips around

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<v Speaker 2>to places in the world simply to take acid there.

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<v Speaker 2>I would do these things and forget I look like

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<v Speaker 2>someone named Princess Leah or whatever I was. For people then,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's not a brilliant idea to then take

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<v Speaker 2>acid and go running around.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine You're out to dinner with your friends,

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<v Speaker 2>like in Bali, and all of a sudden, Princess Lea

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<v Speaker 2>comes bounding by with a headful acid. Then she comes

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<v Speaker 2>up to your table and tells you that your soul

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<v Speaker 2>is radiating around your body like an undulating rainbow colored

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<v Speaker 2>snake or whatever. I mean, acid or no acid, That

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<v Speaker 2>just be trippy. Anyway, back to carry Fisher and her

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<v Speaker 2>international Acid v cas. But yeah, I went to the

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<v Speaker 2>Seychelles and we took acid. Oh my god, I was

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<v Speaker 2>on the beach and there was no one else on

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<v Speaker 2>the beach, and so I'm with my super eight movie camera.

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<v Speaker 2>That's when this was all right, and I'm filming my

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<v Speaker 2>friend and as this was going along. Suddenly, I since

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<v Speaker 2>there'd been a disturbance in the forest, don't put that

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<v Speaker 2>in They put it in Elyza because I just quoted

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<v Speaker 2>it right now. I mean, how could you not if

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<v Speaker 2>you're that documentary filmmaker. She made a psychedelic Star Wars joke. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>back to Kerry Fisher. We turn around and there is

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<v Speaker 2>a bustload of Japanese folk that have just derived. And

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out where we are is where they bring

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<v Speaker 2>the tourists to have lunch from all the hotels. So

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<v Speaker 2>this load of Japanese tourists, we're faced with a semi

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<v Speaker 2>nude princess Leah and you just never see that coming

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<v Speaker 2>as a tourist.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's your job of the hut.

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<v Speaker 2>Now. In that same documentary, the comic and fellow podcaster

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Maron, he tells the story of him having a

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<v Speaker 2>bad trip at wait for it, A Grateful Dead Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh boy, that's like next level bad trip. Can you

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<v Speaker 2>imagine having never taken acid? That is Mark Marin tells

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<v Speaker 2>it quote, I'm literally just falling in my mind and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I gotta go to the emergency room. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't handle this anymore. And there's this one of those

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<v Speaker 2>dudes sitting in front of me. You used to see

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<v Speaker 2>him at dead shows. They've clearly been on too many trips.

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<v Speaker 2>They sort of move at a different frequency than other people.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, hey, man, like they've got this weird you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like they can just like So what I'm doing is

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<v Speaker 2>when words fail at him, that's when he's doing with

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<v Speaker 2>these snake dance with his fingers before his face like

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<v Speaker 2>a man. So Mark Barron then finishes this story about

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<v Speaker 2>his bad trip by saying, how next. So I just

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<v Speaker 2>tap him on the shoulder and I look at him.

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<v Speaker 2>I go, you know, pretty soon Jerry's gonna come out

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<v Speaker 2>and him and his guitar are gonna be like one thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And this guy just looks at me and goes, just

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<v Speaker 2>hang on, man, and he turns back around, and I'm like, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was like the best advice I ever got

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<v Speaker 2>and I use it to this day. Yeah. So there

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<v Speaker 2>you go, Elizabeth. If you ever decide to do acid,

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<v Speaker 2>or someone like me ever secretly doses you, they think

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they slip you acid while about without telling you,

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<v Speaker 2>try to remember Mark Maren's words, because it actually is

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<v Speaker 2>really good advice.

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<v Speaker 3>Just hang on, man, I'm going to use that acid

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<v Speaker 3>or no acid. That's why I need that every Just

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<v Speaker 3>hang on right.

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<v Speaker 2>That's how I heard Mark Maron saying it. This wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>acid specific advice.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's what we said to the little kitten

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<v Speaker 3>hanging from the branch in the motivational poster. Just hang

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<v Speaker 3>in there, hang in there, baby.

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<v Speaker 2>Good deep pull thank you so fun fact, do you

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<v Speaker 2>know which famous band known for their advocacy of LSD

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<v Speaker 2>and also having a psychedelic period of their music were

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<v Speaker 2>dosed the first time they took acid. You want to hint, please,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll give you a hint. My name is John, and

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<v Speaker 2>I also play guitar and sometimes play.

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<v Speaker 3>The fool Oasis exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, it was Oasis, so forgive my terrible impression of

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<v Speaker 2>John Lennon, but it was the Beatles. So as George

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<v Speaker 2>Harrison once told Dick Cabot, when we took the notorious

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<v Speaker 2>wonder Jog LSD, we were having dinner with audentists.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, you just have dinner with your dentist, Yes, and.

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<v Speaker 2>Their dentists dosed them without them knowing. The first time

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<v Speaker 2>John Lennon and George Harrison did acid it was when

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<v Speaker 2>they were secretly dosed by their dentist at a dinner party.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor so As Georgia also recalled and he put it

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<v Speaker 2>in a coffee and never told us and we'd never

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<v Speaker 2>heard of it.

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<v Speaker 3>That is assault, right, he literally is a crime.

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot believe the Beatles dentist was just like my

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<v Speaker 2>man Mark Defriest, the prison who dosing coffee with LSD.

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<v Speaker 3>He's the fifth out of the dentists. The rest of

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<v Speaker 3>them are recommending tried it.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like in coffee, so like, I mean, that's just

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<v Speaker 2>not cool to do to someone, even if you're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to escape prison, but especially not cool if you're a

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<v Speaker 2>dentist having dinner with the Beatles.

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<v Speaker 3>And I fantasized, like I said before, about dosing the

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<v Speaker 3>faculty is a faculty meeting. That was just daydreaming.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you would never actually act on that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to live out those spiraling thoughts. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just gonna he.

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<v Speaker 2>Thought it was so fun to dose the like two

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<v Speaker 2>Beatles and then took him out to a club. Well anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>back to George Harrison to finish the story of his

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<v Speaker 2>first trip. It's a good job that we hadn't heard

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<v Speaker 2>about it because there's been so much paranoia created around

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<v Speaker 2>the drug that people now if they take it, they're

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<v Speaker 2>already on a bad trip before they stop, which is

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<v Speaker 2>actually kind of true. He's basically pointing out that like

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<v Speaker 2>the state of mind that you bring to acid or

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<v Speaker 2>an acid trip is really indicative of the type of

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<v Speaker 2>trip you will have.

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<v Speaker 3>That is what has kept me from taking it, because

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<v Speaker 3>I know I have such a thin like I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like there's like a very thin veneer between me and

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely losing it. You think, so, here is it? If

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<v Speaker 3>I took a psychedelic like that, I would break my

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<v Speaker 3>brain and not be able to come back.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what's funny. That often is the cases that when

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<v Speaker 2>people first do acid, they have this thought, am I

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<v Speaker 2>always going to think like this? Am I never going

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<v Speaker 2>to be normal again?

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't even have that conscious question. I would just

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<v Speaker 3>be like, like could be gone. You know, I have

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<v Speaker 3>a hard time holding it to together m hm. Daily.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't need to. I don't need to chance it.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't I don't want to feel like. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>go on roller coasters because I don't like the feeling

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<v Speaker 3>like I'm gonna die. Yes, I like to play it safe.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't watch horror movies either, do you know it's stupid.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to feel I don't want to feel scared.

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<v Speaker 3>I can do that in real life.

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<v Speaker 2>That is so true. Well, that's our intro to what

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<v Speaker 2>it's like to be on acid, to be given acid,

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<v Speaker 2>and to be having a bad trip. Next up, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get into how acid became illegal and delve into the

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<v Speaker 2>experiences of the first famous psycho. Not there ever was

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<v Speaker 2>mister carry Grant, whoa Yes, let's take a break, and

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<v Speaker 2>after these consumers Slogan's men will be back to trip

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<v Speaker 2>the life and Angle and we're baby, you're ready to

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<v Speaker 2>get sideways with the Beatles again?

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<v Speaker 3>Please?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I also happened to find in my research the

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<v Speaker 2>story of the second time they took acid.

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<v Speaker 3>They think they're all well documented.

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<v Speaker 2>No, actually, surprisingly not, because I think they did it

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<v Speaker 2>multiple times. Yeah, there's a lot of stories, especially for

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<v Speaker 2>George Harrison. Well, the second time the Beatles ever took acid.

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<v Speaker 2>After that first time with John and George getting dosed

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<v Speaker 2>by their dentist, the next time they both took acid together,

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<v Speaker 2>John and George they were in Hollywood. Fittingly, they were

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<v Speaker 2>with Peter Fonda of Easy Rider fame. Sure right, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>Dennis Hopper to make it really fun. But yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>the two So the two Beatles, John and George just

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<v Speaker 2>staying in la at a ranch house with Peter Fonda

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<v Speaker 2>and the Band of the Birds. Oh, I thought you

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<v Speaker 2>would like this. This was in late nineteen sixty five

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<v Speaker 2>or early nineteen sixty six, when David Crosby was still

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<v Speaker 2>in the group, And you know, David Crosby must have

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<v Speaker 2>been a wild person to drop acid with.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh God, I can only imagine.

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<v Speaker 2>For whatever reason, John Lennon starts to have a bad trip,

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<v Speaker 2>so Peter Fonda tries to like help him out, but

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<v Speaker 2>everything he's saying only makes things worse, because apparently Peter

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<v Speaker 2>Fonda was like getting in his face and telling John

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<v Speaker 2>Lennon stuff like, oh, I know what it's like to

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<v Speaker 2>be dead man, you know. So, and then it gets

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<v Speaker 2>worse because then he pulls up his shirt to show

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<v Speaker 2>John Lennon where he had shot himself. No, but not

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<v Speaker 2>with a real gun, Elizabeth. He'd shot himself with a

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<v Speaker 2>babie gun when he was a kid.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, I've done that as an adult, but

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<v Speaker 3>I show people.

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<v Speaker 2>Somehow he thought this would help pull John Lennon out

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<v Speaker 2>of his bad trips. Eventually, things get so bad for

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<v Speaker 2>Lenin that he kicks Peter Fonda out of their little

0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:43.399
<v Speaker 2>hazard party like you've got to go. Yeah, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>And I guess Peter Fonda was such a bummer for

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<v Speaker 2>the acid trip. John Lennon eventually did what songwriters do.

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<v Speaker 2>He wrote a song about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, he did.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a song that the Beatles like sing and

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<v Speaker 2>put on a record that's about Peter Fonda giving him

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<v Speaker 2>a bad trip on the Beatles album Revolver. Yeah, the song,

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<v Speaker 2>she said, she said, And it's about his Peter Farness shape,

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<v Speaker 2>which just goes to prove that acid won't always inspire

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<v Speaker 2>great art because that song is not one of their best.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, Elizabeth, how did acid become illegal?

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<v Speaker 3>How did it become illegal?

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<v Speaker 2>Fantastic question? Thank you for asking.

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<v Speaker 3>You asked the best questions.

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<v Speaker 2>LSD was accidentally discovered by the Swiss chemist Albert Hoffman

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirty six, but at first he didn't do

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<v Speaker 2>anything with it, but not for lack of trying, because

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<v Speaker 2>in fact, he synthesized LSD twenty five times. That's why

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<v Speaker 2>LSD is known as LSD twenty five.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh is it?

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<v Speaker 2>It was the twenty fifth batch he created.

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<v Speaker 3>Like WD forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically, No, it's the same like numbering system. So you see.

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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen thirty six he was working at Sando's laboratories

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<v Speaker 2>in Switzerland. That's the lab where saccharin was discovered. Oh interesting,

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<v Speaker 2>and at the time, young Albert Hoffman was working with ergot,

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<v Speaker 2>which is a fungus that grows on rye. You know

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<v Speaker 2>as a baker. Yeah, one of the active compounds created

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<v Speaker 2>by this fungus is lysergic acid. That's where we get

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<v Speaker 2>the ls for LSD. That's what he was working with

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<v Speaker 2>when he was trying to create his lysergic acid compounds.

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<v Speaker 2>As he wrote, I had planned the synthesis of this

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<v Speaker 2>compound with the intention of obtaining a circulatory and respiratory stimulant.

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<v Speaker 2>The new substance, however, aroused no special interest in our

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<v Speaker 2>pharmacologists and physicians. Testing was therefore discontinued. So LST was

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<v Speaker 2>almost doomed to sit on a shelf, forgotten in some

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<v Speaker 2>Swiss laboratory, never to see the light of day. But Hoffman,

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<v Speaker 2>he just couldn't stop thinking about this LSD stuff. So

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<v Speaker 2>years later, in nineteen forty three, he synthesized a new

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<v Speaker 2>batch of LSD twenty five. Apparently he was working kind

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<v Speaker 2>of sloppy that day, because some LSD twenty five, about

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<v Speaker 2>twenty micrograms or so, gets onto his skin and his

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<v Speaker 2>body absorbs it. Then he noticed about thirty and forty

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<v Speaker 2>minutes later, these strange effects of this compound. Being a

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<v Speaker 2>good scientist, Hoffman notes that he'd planned to experiment with

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<v Speaker 2>his odd new compound. He's like, this stuff is crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta try this again. So a couple days later,

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<v Speaker 2>on April nineteenth, nineteen forty three, he experiments on himself.

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<v Speaker 2>He doses himself, but don't worry. He had an assistant

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<v Speaker 2>there to like baby sit his trip.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So at precisely four to twenty pm, just coincidental. On

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<v Speaker 2>April nineteenth, again just coincidental, Hoffman diluted two hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty micrograms of crystalline LSD twenty five and do ten

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<v Speaker 2>c seeds of water. Forty minutes later, he's fully tripping,

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<v Speaker 2>as he recorded in his lab notes. Beginning dizziness, feelings

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<v Speaker 2>of anxiety, visual distortions, symptoms of paralysis, desire to laugh,

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<v Speaker 2>these are wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So then with his head full of acid, he decided

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<v Speaker 2>it would be a good idea to ride his bike.

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<v Speaker 2>Homb So sometime between six and eight pm he hops

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<v Speaker 2>on his bike, accompanied by his assistant and who by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, is not on acid, and he starts peddling

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<v Speaker 2>his giggling ass home. Yeah, and he has a wild

0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:50.120
<v Speaker 2>bike ride because, as he recalled in his lab notes

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<v Speaker 2>and later a book he wrote about his LSD discovery quote,

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<v Speaker 2>kaleidoscopic fantastic images surged in on me, alternating variegated opening

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<v Speaker 2>and then closing themselves in circles and spirals, exploding and

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<v Speaker 2>colored fountains, rearranging and hybridizing themselves in constant flux. It

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<v Speaker 2>was particularly remarkable how every acoustic perception, such as the

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<v Speaker 2>sound of a door handle or a passing automobile, became

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<v Speaker 2>transformed into optical perceptions. Every sound generated a vividly changing

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<v Speaker 2>image with its own consistent form and color. Hmm, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so this is the world's first acid trip. Acid trip,

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<v Speaker 2>Like he actually got himself off, not just like enough

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<v Speaker 2>to microdose as he did the first time, And this

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<v Speaker 2>time he's like doing pride men to double what the

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<v Speaker 2>recommended dosage is. But it wasn't all rainbows and kaleidoscopic

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<v Speaker 2>visions and engrossing sounds. It turned into trippy visuals because

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<v Speaker 2>Hoffmann also had a bit of a bummer. He also

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<v Speaker 2>had the world's first bad acid trip. Yeah, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 2>he recalled how for part of that first acid trip

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<v Speaker 2>he believed he was somewhere at the outer reaches of hell.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh. What I mean, he says, is like anxiety and

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<v Speaker 3>para paralysis.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it sounds terrible and you have no expectations of

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<v Speaker 2>what it's going to be like, right, But thankfully the

0:22:04.520 --> 0:22:07.399
<v Speaker 2>next day, Hoffman, when he wakes up, he's super pleased

0:22:07.400 --> 0:22:10.320
<v Speaker 2>to find that his hellish trip had ended, as he

0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:12.920
<v Speaker 2>felt once again himself. And that, as I said, that's

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<v Speaker 2>the thing about your first acid trip, when you were

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<v Speaker 2>in the thrall of LSD, you think, am I always

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<v Speaker 2>going to be like this? Am I always gonna think

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<v Speaker 2>like this? And will it ever be normal again? Luckily

0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:23.760
<v Speaker 2>acid trips.

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<v Speaker 3>Eventually end, yeah, you would hope.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, So there is I did find in my

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<v Speaker 2>research is one guy who took acid and his trip

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<v Speaker 2>never ended. He's been on it.

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<v Speaker 3>That would be me. That would be me.

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<v Speaker 2>That was pretty scary.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I'm afraid of. You. You saw me once

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<v Speaker 3>eat an entire gummy.

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, it was very low THC sure, and it was horrible.

0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:50.560
<v Speaker 5>You're a very giggly was nonsense, aga, But I remember

0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:52.239
<v Speaker 5>I had to keep sitting there saying this is going

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<v Speaker 5>to be over.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was holding onto the couch. At some point,

0:22:57.359 --> 0:22:59.560
<v Speaker 3>this will be over. I tried taking him for like

0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:03.200
<v Speaker 3>insomnia anxiety. I have to take like a little nibble.

0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:04.160
<v Speaker 2>Like an ear off of.

0:23:04.720 --> 0:23:10.800
<v Speaker 3>Micro doose ta gummies that are already the lowest percentage possible,

0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:15.680
<v Speaker 3>and I just, oh, nothing anxiety inducing. I already produce

0:23:15.720 --> 0:23:16.159
<v Speaker 3>them that.

0:23:16.240 --> 0:23:18.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think I think you're chemically like already like

0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:19.320
<v Speaker 2>leaning towards that.

0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:22.200
<v Speaker 3>To keep telling yourself this is going to be over,

0:23:22.320 --> 0:23:25.840
<v Speaker 3>This will end, this will be over. It's not fun. Well,

0:23:25.920 --> 0:23:26.960
<v Speaker 3>you know for me.

0:23:28.240 --> 0:23:30.639
<v Speaker 2>Now for the next decade. LSD twenty five it becomes

0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:33.359
<v Speaker 2>this quiet kept secret amongst those in the know, And

0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:35.879
<v Speaker 2>so there were folks who were They start experimenting with it.

0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:38.119
<v Speaker 2>They go to the sand Dos laboratories, they order up

0:23:38.160 --> 0:23:41.320
<v Speaker 2>some LSD pills they haven't sent over even to the America,

0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:44.320
<v Speaker 2>to the States, and right away these folks on the inside.

0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:47.600
<v Speaker 2>They see the potential for LSD as a therapeutic, as

0:23:47.600 --> 0:23:51.640
<v Speaker 2>a way to treat certain mental illnesses personality complexes. And

0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:55.400
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen fifty seven, this British psychiatrist named Humphrey Osmond

0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:58.000
<v Speaker 2>who was experimenting with LSD twenty five and he's all

0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:01.280
<v Speaker 2>hyped on his potential for how acid can rewire the

0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:04.199
<v Speaker 2>human brain. Right, so he goes to his friend, this

0:24:04.280 --> 0:24:07.680
<v Speaker 2>writer named Aldus Huxley and he tells him all about it,

0:24:07.680 --> 0:24:09.879
<v Speaker 2>all right, yeah, and obviously that leads to the doors

0:24:09.920 --> 0:24:12.520
<v Speaker 2>of perception. But also he asked all this Huxley to

0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:15.119
<v Speaker 2>help him come up with a term to describe this potential.

0:24:15.560 --> 0:24:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Huxley suggests the word phanao thyme or phanrothyme, which is

0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:22.720
<v Speaker 2>derived from the Greek words for the Greek roots rather

0:24:22.840 --> 0:24:26.280
<v Speaker 2>for to show and for spirit, but to show spirit.

0:24:26.840 --> 0:24:30.040
<v Speaker 2>The psychiatrist Ozma was like, yeah, no, thanks for playing

0:24:30.080 --> 0:24:31.840
<v Speaker 2>all this, and he said he went with his own

0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:35.240
<v Speaker 2>idea psychedelic, which comes from the Greek roots for soul

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:39.000
<v Speaker 2>and to make visible, So psychedelic means to make your

0:24:39.040 --> 0:24:41.080
<v Speaker 2>soul visible. Now. The dude even came up with a

0:24:41.119 --> 0:24:44.240
<v Speaker 2>little rhyme for his new word to fathom hell or

0:24:44.320 --> 0:24:47.120
<v Speaker 2>sore angelic, just take a pinch of psychedelic.

0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:47.840
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:52.199
<v Speaker 2>No, yeah, not a beatle. But now we associate these

0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:54.479
<v Speaker 2>early days of acid with the hippies in nineteen sixties

0:24:54.480 --> 0:24:57.080
<v Speaker 2>San Francisco, or perhaps Timothy Leary and his early acid

0:24:57.119 --> 0:25:00.000
<v Speaker 2>tests back east at Harvard. One of the first big

0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:03.359
<v Speaker 2>psychedelic advocates was living in la in the fifties and

0:25:03.400 --> 0:25:06.040
<v Speaker 2>he was super famous. His name is Carrie Grant.

0:25:06.480 --> 0:25:07.480
<v Speaker 3>I cannot believe this.

0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:10.520
<v Speaker 2>Turns out Cary Grant was a super early psychedelic explorer,

0:25:10.520 --> 0:25:12.679
<v Speaker 2>like starting in nineteen fifty eight or nineteen fifty nine.

0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:15.840
<v Speaker 2>There's some discrepancy to when he started. But every Saturday morning,

0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:17.879
<v Speaker 2>Carry Grant would have his driver take him over to

0:25:17.880 --> 0:25:20.840
<v Speaker 2>the Psychiatric Institute of Beverly Hills. There he would sort

0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:22.440
<v Speaker 2>of sneak in the back doors and know and saw

0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:25.280
<v Speaker 2>him constantly going to this institute since he was so famous.

0:25:25.480 --> 0:25:27.840
<v Speaker 2>And once inside, he'd go to this small room where

0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:30.760
<v Speaker 2>there were easy chairs and a sofa and a record

0:25:30.760 --> 0:25:33.360
<v Speaker 2>player to set the vibe, and Carry Grant would get

0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 2>sideways on LSD twenty five. He would take five pills

0:25:37.119 --> 0:25:39.959
<v Speaker 2>shipped over from the Sandos Laboratory in Switzerland, and then

0:25:39.960 --> 0:25:42.840
<v Speaker 2>he'd do a round of therapy with his psychiatrist, doctor

0:25:42.880 --> 0:25:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Mortimer Hartman. Together they delve deep into Carry Grant's psyche,

0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.480
<v Speaker 2>his past, his rough childhood back in Bristol, England.

0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:49.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:52.480
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes when he was like listening to the classical music

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:55.600
<v Speaker 2>he really favored Chopin and Rockman and off, Carry Grant

0:25:55.640 --> 0:25:58.360
<v Speaker 2>would break down in tears and just sob for hours.

0:25:58.600 --> 0:26:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Other times he would just laugh and giggle and laugh

0:26:01.640 --> 0:26:04.560
<v Speaker 2>some more as he reframed his past traumas. And sometimes

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:05.200
<v Speaker 2>he would do both.

0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:07.560
<v Speaker 3>He's way out of his time completely.

0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:09.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean like he's like a true psycho knot like

0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:11.720
<v Speaker 2>an explorer, Like, yeah, he went to the moon before

0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:12.320
<v Speaker 2>everyone else.

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:12.600
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:26:12.800 --> 0:26:14.520
<v Speaker 2>So when he was all done, his driver would then

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:16.520
<v Speaker 2>take him back home and he'd still be tripping, and

0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:18.280
<v Speaker 2>then he would just be gazing out of the car

0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:21.520
<v Speaker 2>windows as the weird and wonderful world was passing by. Yeah,

0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:23.639
<v Speaker 2>and he did this more than one hundred times. It

0:26:23.720 --> 0:26:27.119
<v Speaker 2>lasted until nineteen sixty two, and Carry Grant said that

0:26:27.280 --> 0:26:29.560
<v Speaker 2>LSD saved his life. That's a direct quote from him.

0:26:29.720 --> 0:26:30.040
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:32.960
<v Speaker 2>Now, Also Carry Grant didn't stop taking acid. In nineteen

0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:36.199
<v Speaker 2>sixty two, he just stopped going to his psychotherapists for it, okay,

0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:39.000
<v Speaker 2>but by then he'd stockpiled his own stash of acid,

0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:41.119
<v Speaker 2>so he would just get twisted in the comfort of

0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:43.320
<v Speaker 2>his mansion and he kept on tripping at home for

0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 2>like another decade. I'm talking well into the nineteen seventieses.

0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:51.240
<v Speaker 3>I just recently read the memoir by John Perry Barlow,

0:26:51.320 --> 0:26:54.920
<v Speaker 3>who's one of the Grateful Dead songwriters, sure, and he

0:26:55.600 --> 0:26:58.439
<v Speaker 3>dropped an incredible amount of acid over his life. And

0:26:58.480 --> 0:27:01.920
<v Speaker 3>he talks about how the your first trip, and he

0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:05.919
<v Speaker 3>writes it really beautifully and how mind expanding it was,

0:27:06.000 --> 0:27:08.879
<v Speaker 3>and how you know this incredible, beautiful experience, but that

0:27:09.400 --> 0:27:12.240
<v Speaker 3>every subsequent trip is just like a riff off of that,

0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:14.960
<v Speaker 3>Like he really opened the doors on the first one. Yes,

0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:17.320
<v Speaker 3>so you think about carry Grant has like gone through

0:27:17.320 --> 0:27:19.880
<v Speaker 3>this in the in like what I would think would

0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:22.600
<v Speaker 3>be for me. The only kind of acceptable setting is

0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:25.560
<v Speaker 3>like that kind of control around it. But so he's

0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:28.320
<v Speaker 3>got it, he's opened those doors, and now he's able

0:27:28.320 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 3>to just replicate it on his own. It's like when

0:27:30.840 --> 0:27:32.960
<v Speaker 3>they say in therapy, well, now you have the tools.

0:27:33.400 --> 0:27:34.000
<v Speaker 3>He has the tool.

0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:35.960
<v Speaker 2>He definitely had the tools. He could like you know,

0:27:36.640 --> 0:27:38.720
<v Speaker 2>hallucinate the tools in his hands and get to work.

0:27:39.520 --> 0:27:42.560
<v Speaker 2>So the wild part for what he was doing, carry

0:27:42.560 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 2>Grant was like and when he's doing acid, he didn't

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:47.240
<v Speaker 2>keep the secret in the fifties. In fact, quite the opposite.

0:27:47.280 --> 0:27:50.240
<v Speaker 2>He talked about it in interviews with Time Magazine and in

0:27:50.320 --> 0:27:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Look magazine the Washington Post. Carry Grant told Look Magazine

0:27:53.840 --> 0:27:56.760
<v Speaker 2>about his acid trips and his state of euphoria about

0:27:56.760 --> 0:28:00.239
<v Speaker 2>my self discoveries. He told their readers also about how

0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:03.200
<v Speaker 2>during one trip, my mind seemed to leave my skull

0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:06.439
<v Speaker 2>and visit out a space. Yeah. So not only that,

0:28:06.480 --> 0:28:09.000
<v Speaker 2>carry Grant also told the readers of Ladies Home Journal

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:14.080
<v Speaker 2>and how great LSD was recommending that the housewives maybe

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:15.920
<v Speaker 2>get in on and this as well because at the

0:28:15.920 --> 0:28:18.760
<v Speaker 2>same time they're also recommending MDMA for housewives. So this

0:28:18.880 --> 0:28:22.359
<v Speaker 2>was not the only like substance and dexadene. Yeah, tofinitely,

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:24.399
<v Speaker 2>but these were ones that are supposed to like, you know,

0:28:24.520 --> 0:28:26.520
<v Speaker 2>challenge things, not just help them like you know, clean

0:28:26.560 --> 0:28:29.520
<v Speaker 2>faster or whatever. Now this is also, by the way,

0:28:29.600 --> 0:28:32.040
<v Speaker 2>way before the hippies got ahold of acid, Carry Grant

0:28:32.040 --> 0:28:34.520
<v Speaker 2>was Johnny Appleseed for LSD. Yeah, I mean he was

0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:37.920
<v Speaker 2>like Johnny Apple LSD. Yeah. Now, meanwhile, his doctor, doctor

0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Mortimer Hartman, he starts his own psychedelic psychotherapy in Beverly

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Hills for his rich clients who also wanted to see

0:28:43.920 --> 0:28:46.160
<v Speaker 2>outer space with their mind's eye and like heal their

0:28:46.160 --> 0:28:49.800
<v Speaker 2>traumas too. So as a result, unfortunately, this guy's medical

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:52.800
<v Speaker 2>license gets suspended in nineteen sixty one by the California

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:56.400
<v Speaker 2>Board of Medical Examiners because although at first LSD twenty

0:28:56.400 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 2>five was seen as another like post war example of

0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:02.440
<v Speaker 2>better living through cast, by the early sixties it becomes

0:29:02.480 --> 0:29:05.800
<v Speaker 2>banned as a therapeutic. More on that in a second. Now,

0:29:05.840 --> 0:29:09.360
<v Speaker 2>there was another major early California proponent of the psychological

0:29:09.360 --> 0:29:12.960
<v Speaker 2>benefits of acid trips, when Claire Booth Loose, the daughter

0:29:13.000 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 2>of the founder of Time in Life magazine, Henry Loose. Now,

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:19.120
<v Speaker 2>she was a Broadway playwright, later the ambassador to Italy

0:29:19.160 --> 0:29:23.640
<v Speaker 2>appointed by Eisenhower. Then she becomes a Republican congresswoman for California,

0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:26.040
<v Speaker 2>and in nineteen fifty nine she started to take an

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:28.280
<v Speaker 2>acid right around the same time as Carrie Grant, and

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 2>also under the supervision of doctor Hartman. Well, his colleague

0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:34.520
<v Speaker 2>actually is Sidney Cohen. Now, one of my favorite anecdotes

0:29:34.560 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 2>is how during her very first acid trips she received

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:39.600
<v Speaker 2>a phone call and she answered the phone call, which

0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:41.800
<v Speaker 2>I would not recommend if you're on acid, and there

0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:44.200
<v Speaker 2>on the other end of the line was Richard Nixon.

0:29:44.680 --> 0:29:45.600
<v Speaker 3>Oh you're kidding.

0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:48.320
<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine your first time on acid? And suddenly

0:29:48.400 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Richard Nixon is in your ear, disembodied Richard Nixon. And

0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:56.080
<v Speaker 2>by the way, Nixon desperately wanted something from her. He's like, no,

0:29:56.360 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 2>just look, I just need a little flavor from you.

0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, exactly. He Basically what Nixon was saying is

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:04.120
<v Speaker 2>he wanted her support for his upcoming run for president

0:30:04.160 --> 0:30:08.200
<v Speaker 2>against jfk in nineteen sixty But Claire Lewis she couldn't

0:30:08.200 --> 0:30:10.239
<v Speaker 2>handle a phone call in asses, so she told, you know,

0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:12.720
<v Speaker 2>mister VP, I'm gonna need to call you back.

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:16.920
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, first, busy right now, totally I'm all.

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:20.000
<v Speaker 2>The sideways mister Nixon's, but firstually for her and Carry

0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:21.960
<v Speaker 2>Grant and all these other rich folks in LA who

0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:25.280
<v Speaker 2>were secretly taking acid for psychotherapy. In nineteen sixty two,

0:30:25.400 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 2>the FDA began to ban access to LSD twenty five,

0:30:29.520 --> 0:30:32.880
<v Speaker 2>which meant board certified physicians psychiatrists were no longer willing

0:30:32.920 --> 0:30:36.080
<v Speaker 2>to risk their medical licenses to offer their clients LSD,

0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:38.600
<v Speaker 2>which is why Kerry Grant secured his own stash and

0:30:38.640 --> 0:30:41.400
<v Speaker 2>started doing acid at home. And then in sixty three

0:30:41.440 --> 0:30:44.400
<v Speaker 2>there was the Harvard LSD scandal that involved Timothy Leary.

0:30:44.440 --> 0:30:46.520
<v Speaker 2>That's when he gets kicked out of Harvard because there

0:30:46.520 --> 0:30:47.520
<v Speaker 2>were ethical concerns.

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:47.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:50.800
<v Speaker 2>And then at that same time, the CIA was also

0:30:50.920 --> 0:30:53.960
<v Speaker 2>experimenting with LSD as part of their super secret mk

0:30:54.160 --> 0:30:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Ultra program, and they also stopped working with LSD for

0:30:57.560 --> 0:30:59.640
<v Speaker 2>ethical concerns because they were trying to use it as

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.640
<v Speaker 2>a mind controlled drug. Now, in sixty three, things changed

0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:05.640
<v Speaker 2>dramatically and the whole cultural combo about LSD starts to shift.

0:31:05.680 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 2>As a result, the press changes its tone. No longer

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 2>do you have carry Grant in Ladies Home Journal, So

0:31:11.320 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 2>no more funding articles, right, And then in sixty six

0:31:14.200 --> 0:31:17.880
<v Speaker 2>the FED banned LSD access all together as a medicine,

0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 2>so now you can't do any research experimentation. So forth.

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:24.200
<v Speaker 2>Two years later, in sixty eight, the fed's label LSD

0:31:24.280 --> 0:31:27.360
<v Speaker 2>as a Schedule one drug, which put it in line

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:31.440
<v Speaker 2>with like freebase and crack cocaine and heroin, which is

0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:34.120
<v Speaker 2>where it has remained to this day. And that Elizabeth

0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 2>is how LSD became an illegal street drug. But soon enough,

0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:41.840
<v Speaker 2>thanks to the hippies openly defying the government and so

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:44.040
<v Speaker 2>they could just continue to drop acid or actually really

0:31:44.120 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 2>start dropping acid. This is when acid becomes the star

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:50.640
<v Speaker 2>of a moral panic. Enter Ken Kesey, the writer of

0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:52.719
<v Speaker 2>a novel One Flew Over the Cucko's Nest. You're familiar

0:31:52.760 --> 0:31:55.440
<v Speaker 2>with his work now. He'd been a subject in the

0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:59.320
<v Speaker 2>CIA's secret program MK Ultra, and specifically he was part

0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:02.040
<v Speaker 2>of their legal experiments with LSD as a mine control drug.

0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:04.720
<v Speaker 2>So he had first hand experience with LSD and he

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:06.960
<v Speaker 2>liked it. So after he gets out of the ultra

0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:09.959
<v Speaker 2>secret CIA mind control program, and after he leaves the

0:32:09.960 --> 0:32:13.080
<v Speaker 2>mental hospital which was his novel was based on, and

0:32:13.120 --> 0:32:15.880
<v Speaker 2>then after he got rich and famous for the book

0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:17.760
<v Speaker 2>he wrote about it, Yeah, the One Flew Over the

0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:21.320
<v Speaker 2>Cucko's Nest, Keesy decides to help spread the gospel of LSD.

0:32:21.760 --> 0:32:24.640
<v Speaker 2>This is nineteen sixty four, so this is just before

0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:27.680
<v Speaker 2>LSD was banned and later labeled a Schedule one drug,

0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:29.920
<v Speaker 2>but it was still in the limbo period. Keesey wants

0:32:29.960 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 2>to go on this cross country acid pilgrimage to spread

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 2>the word from sea to shining Sea. His plan buy

0:32:35.440 --> 0:32:38.080
<v Speaker 2>a school bus loaded up with freaks like him and

0:32:38.160 --> 0:32:40.920
<v Speaker 2>drive from his ranch in La Honda, California, across the

0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:45.640
<v Speaker 2>country to where the nineteen sixty four World's Fair in

0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 2>New York City show up over the headful acid at

0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:52.680
<v Speaker 2>the World's Fairs will love that. So he buys a

0:32:52.760 --> 0:32:55.280
<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty nine Harvester school bus, like one of the

0:32:55.400 --> 0:32:58.880
<v Speaker 2>classic big yellow school buses. Then he asked Jack Kerouac's

0:32:58.960 --> 0:33:01.680
<v Speaker 2>inspiration for his care directer Dean Moriarty from his book

0:33:01.680 --> 0:33:05.120
<v Speaker 2>On the Road One, Neil Cassidy, to be the bus driver.

0:33:05.640 --> 0:33:08.040
<v Speaker 2>Neil Cassidy's like, I ain't got anything to do right now.

0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:11.760
<v Speaker 2>He eagerly accepts, and so they then name this bus

0:33:11.880 --> 0:33:14.160
<v Speaker 2>further and then they call the folks who load up

0:33:14.200 --> 0:33:17.400
<v Speaker 2>onto the bus the Mary Pranksters. The writer Tom Wolf

0:33:17.440 --> 0:33:19.120
<v Speaker 2>he wrote a whole book about this and bust in

0:33:19.160 --> 0:33:21.680
<v Speaker 2>the trip. It's called the Electric kool Aid Acid Test.

0:33:22.000 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 2>There's also, by the way, a documentary film that recorded

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:27.000
<v Speaker 2>this whole epic road trip, and like ken Kesey brought

0:33:27.000 --> 0:33:28.720
<v Speaker 2>like his four year old son on this trip. It

0:33:28.880 --> 0:33:32.280
<v Speaker 2>is like a really irresponsible psychedelic trip. But you can

0:33:32.320 --> 0:33:35.000
<v Speaker 2>see Neil Cassidy right the spirit of the Beat generation,

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:38.800
<v Speaker 2>all hopped up on amphetamines because that's what the Beats preferred,

0:33:39.440 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 2>just like the jazz musicians who they revered like they're

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 2>popping uppers and playing all night. So that's what he's doing.

0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:47.400
<v Speaker 2>He's popping uppers and driving the bus, and then he's

0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:50.400
<v Speaker 2>talking also that poetic beat talk the whole time. Meanwhile,

0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:52.960
<v Speaker 2>the spirit of the hippies is being born right behind

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:55.600
<v Speaker 2>him on the bus because you can literally see one

0:33:55.680 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 2>subculture pass the torch to the new subculture. It's wild.

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:01.200
<v Speaker 2>So at one point, Neil Cassidy he drives the bus

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:04.160
<v Speaker 2>off the road in Arizona, and this leads to like, oh,

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:07.040
<v Speaker 2>it's just while we're stuck here, have an impromptu acid party.

0:34:07.080 --> 0:34:10.440
<v Speaker 2>So ken Kesey doses everyone with LSD, some people not

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:12.960
<v Speaker 2>knowing it, and together they all decide, let's paint the

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:16.040
<v Speaker 2>school bus. And that's where we get the look and

0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:19.920
<v Speaker 2>the aesthetic of the psychedelic hippie thing like that bus

0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:22.800
<v Speaker 2>trip literally launches the look and the spirit of the

0:34:22.840 --> 0:34:28.040
<v Speaker 2>psychedelic Sextys, exactly everything you would associate with like Hate

0:34:28.040 --> 0:34:31.120
<v Speaker 2>Ashbury nineteen sixty seven. It's on the side of that bus.

0:34:32.120 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 2>And then came the first early ken Kesey inspired acid tests.

0:34:36.200 --> 0:34:38.479
<v Speaker 2>When they get back to the California in sixty five.

0:34:38.719 --> 0:34:41.040
<v Speaker 2>That's where you'd have like a whole party drop acid

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:43.960
<v Speaker 2>and a band would play and such as one of

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 2>your favorite bands you mentioned them earlier, the Grateful Dead.

0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:49.920
<v Speaker 2>They spontaneously would create a live soundtrack for these so

0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:53.520
<v Speaker 2>called acid tests. But you know, soon after he starts

0:34:53.560 --> 0:34:56.000
<v Speaker 2>this at ken Kesey has to skip out out of

0:34:56.040 --> 0:34:57.759
<v Speaker 2>the country. Yeah, and he misses out on the whole

0:34:57.760 --> 0:34:59.479
<v Speaker 2>summer of love. He doesn't see any of it actually

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:01.719
<v Speaker 2>occur because he had to flee the country and hop

0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:05.160
<v Speaker 2>the border over to Mexico in nineteen sixty six, one

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:07.600
<v Speaker 2>step ahead of the law after they were after him

0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 2>for marijuana charges. Anyway, back to the Grateful Dead and

0:35:10.640 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 2>their role in the acid test in sixty five, there

0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:16.279
<v Speaker 2>was this first house party acid test, right, so the

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:19.319
<v Speaker 2>band not yet known as the Grateful Dead, they play

0:35:19.400 --> 0:35:22.840
<v Speaker 2>their that first acid test. One week later they changed

0:35:22.880 --> 0:35:24.399
<v Speaker 2>their band name to The Grateful Dead.

0:35:24.600 --> 0:35:26.319
<v Speaker 3>See it was an inspiration, I.

0:35:26.280 --> 0:35:28.879
<v Speaker 2>Have to assume as a result of the LSD, probably right.

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:31.040
<v Speaker 2>And so then they played the second acid test. It

0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:33.600
<v Speaker 2>was in santase in the backyard of what would become

0:35:33.600 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 2>the Silicon Valley. So the Grateful Dead were so into

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:39.080
<v Speaker 2>this new acid scene that they start playing acid test

0:35:39.120 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 2>house parties for the next full year. Yeah, a whole

0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:46.480
<v Speaker 2>year of acid and just playing soundtrack in parties. This

0:35:46.719 --> 0:35:50.720
<v Speaker 2>creates the popularity, like the underground cool of this scene

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:53.560
<v Speaker 2>that then it kind of creates and promotes this new

0:35:53.600 --> 0:35:56.600
<v Speaker 2>spirit in the Bay Area specifically. Then it takes hold

0:35:56.600 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 2>in the hate Ashbury where they have a house, and

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:01.360
<v Speaker 2>then that bursts forth in the Summer of sixty seven

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:04.279
<v Speaker 2>as aka the Summer of Love in San Francisco, and

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:06.239
<v Speaker 2>that's when the rest of the world is introduced to

0:36:06.280 --> 0:36:09.880
<v Speaker 2>hippies and psychedelia. Now is a both know nothing lasts forever,

0:36:10.120 --> 0:36:12.920
<v Speaker 2>and so that fun, buoyant, experimental spirit of the Summer

0:36:12.920 --> 0:36:14.880
<v Speaker 2>of Love, it doesn't last. It eventually gives way to

0:36:15.400 --> 0:36:17.839
<v Speaker 2>back to the land communes, which kind of often turn

0:36:17.960 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 2>and devolve into cults and some other weird behavior, and

0:36:21.080 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 2>then this whole spirit it gets swept under the cocaine

0:36:23.760 --> 0:36:26.759
<v Speaker 2>fuel disco scene of the nineteen seventies. So it really

0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:29.279
<v Speaker 2>only lasted for three years, maybe four, depending on how

0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:31.759
<v Speaker 2>you want to count them. But there you go. That's

0:36:31.840 --> 0:36:35.480
<v Speaker 2>how LSD became illegal. Take a little break, drink some

0:36:35.520 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 2>orange juice to keep this trip going, man, And so

0:36:38.080 --> 0:36:41.440
<v Speaker 2>we listen to some more consumeris ads. Brother. When we

0:36:41.480 --> 0:36:43.839
<v Speaker 2>get back, we'll dip back into some more epic acid

0:36:43.880 --> 0:36:46.040
<v Speaker 2>trips and as I as I told you, these will

0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:49.319
<v Speaker 2>be from celebrities like Keith Richards and John Lennon. They

0:36:49.360 --> 0:36:51.040
<v Speaker 2>took an acid road trip together.

0:36:51.600 --> 0:37:09.320
<v Speaker 4>What yes back in two and two?

0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:16.959
<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth, are you enjoying the psychedelic kick very much?

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:18.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm enjoying it very much.

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:22.760
<v Speaker 2>I figure it's a Bay Area story largely. It's also

0:37:22.920 --> 0:37:25.279
<v Speaker 2>just something that I'm not sure how familiar you are

0:37:25.320 --> 0:37:27.000
<v Speaker 2>with all this stuff. I know you know about the

0:37:27.000 --> 0:37:30.360
<v Speaker 2>Grateful Dead. You read the book by the songwriter, so

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:33.000
<v Speaker 2>you're very familiar with the LSD culture. Yeah, But like

0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:36.000
<v Speaker 2>I just wasten really fascinated by all this in my

0:37:36.080 --> 0:37:39.000
<v Speaker 2>research was fascinating, especially the Albert Hoffman stuff. I didn't

0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:41.480
<v Speaker 2>know any of that, nor did I. So Okay, so

0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:43.360
<v Speaker 2>far I've tried to convey to you the fullness of

0:37:43.400 --> 0:37:45.240
<v Speaker 2>the appeal and the dangers of acid.

0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:45.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:37:45.719 --> 0:37:47.759
<v Speaker 2>Now are you ready to hear a wild one about

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:49.400
<v Speaker 2>the medical possibilities of LSD?

0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:49.960
<v Speaker 3>I am.

0:37:50.360 --> 0:37:53.560
<v Speaker 2>There's this woman who once accidentally took five hundred and

0:37:53.600 --> 0:37:56.400
<v Speaker 2>fifty times the normal amount one would take of acid.

0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:00.799
<v Speaker 2>It sent her into one hillacious trip. Yeah, and when

0:38:00.800 --> 0:38:02.720
<v Speaker 2>she came out of it, her lime disease was cured.

0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:08.520
<v Speaker 2>I got true story. The woman apparently had contracted lime

0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 2>disease in her twenties, and then the disease gave her

0:38:11.239 --> 0:38:14.400
<v Speaker 2>this like debilitating pain in her like legs, her feet,

0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:17.360
<v Speaker 2>her ankles. Yeah, she lives with this pain for decades

0:38:17.960 --> 0:38:20.319
<v Speaker 2>until one day in her forties. And this was in

0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:23.600
<v Speaker 2>twenty fifteen. Okay, she takes a bunch of acid with

0:38:23.640 --> 0:38:26.239
<v Speaker 2>some friends, like, way, way too much.

0:38:26.920 --> 0:38:27.560
<v Speaker 3>Took that much.

0:38:27.840 --> 0:38:30.200
<v Speaker 2>No, the guy who gave them the acid, it was

0:38:30.239 --> 0:38:33.520
<v Speaker 2>liquid acid. He misread the dosage for how much pure

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:37.799
<v Speaker 2>crystalline LSD twenty five, So instead of a reasonable recreational dosage,

0:38:37.880 --> 0:38:41.040
<v Speaker 2>she took fifty five milligrams, So five hundred and fifty

0:38:41.040 --> 0:38:42.640
<v Speaker 2>times the normal dose of acid.

0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:43.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

0:38:43.440 --> 0:38:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Also, by the way, she didn't expect it to be acid.

0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:47.840
<v Speaker 2>She thought the crystal she was taking was cocye en.

0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:50.680
<v Speaker 3>Wait wait, okay, stop.

0:38:50.840 --> 0:38:53.680
<v Speaker 2>So she thought she was taking like the coke and

0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:55.880
<v Speaker 2>Ted turned to tink. Sure, yeah, I guess. So, I

0:38:55.920 --> 0:38:57.600
<v Speaker 2>don't know how some people like they put it in

0:38:57.640 --> 0:38:59.160
<v Speaker 2>like they can't snort it anymore, so they put it

0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:03.240
<v Speaker 2>in juice or the Yeah. Instead, it's don't judge.

0:39:03.719 --> 0:39:05.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm judging over here.

0:39:05.239 --> 0:39:06.160
<v Speaker 2>So what happens when.

0:39:06.320 --> 0:39:07.960
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I got the robe in the gavel?

0:39:08.080 --> 0:39:10.160
<v Speaker 2>I noticed that, and you got the wig on. Where

0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:10.640
<v Speaker 2>are you from?

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:11.680
<v Speaker 3>It's England?

0:39:11.800 --> 0:39:13.959
<v Speaker 2>So what happens when she takes five hundred and fifty

0:39:14.040 --> 0:39:18.239
<v Speaker 2>times the normal dose of acid? She explodes, No, the

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:19.720
<v Speaker 2>answer is nothing, good, nothing.

0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:23.440
<v Speaker 3>But it had been like like an MRI or a

0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:25.480
<v Speaker 3>CT scan going at this oh at the.

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:27.720
<v Speaker 2>Same time, Well, the medicine does get involved.

0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:28.919
<v Speaker 3>Scan would be cool.

0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:31.239
<v Speaker 2>That'd be had to watch it as it's happening, see

0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:34.080
<v Speaker 2>the holes in her brain form or exactly so. At first, though,

0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:37.400
<v Speaker 2>she she blacks out that's her body in response, and

0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:39.719
<v Speaker 2>then when she comes to, she just starts to puke

0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:42.640
<v Speaker 2>her brains out, like because.

0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:45.279
<v Speaker 3>She redlined every system in her body.

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Completely bodies like reverse course eject eject. And then this,

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:52.160
<v Speaker 2>by the way, her puking or her like long pukethon,

0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:55.120
<v Speaker 2>it lasts for the next twelve hours, for twelve hours,

0:39:55.200 --> 0:39:59.759
<v Speaker 2>head full of acid. She just keeps puking. God this

0:40:00.760 --> 0:40:04.280
<v Speaker 2>and then during the next twelve hours after that, still

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:06.879
<v Speaker 2>deep in her pukefon, puking up what little you know water,

0:40:07.000 --> 0:40:10.239
<v Speaker 2>she has her BiH. Yeah, she finds that this hillacious

0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:12.240
<v Speaker 2>part had kind of passed and now she was quote

0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:16.880
<v Speaker 2>pleasantly high apparently, and other than of course the constant vomiting,

0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:19.440
<v Speaker 2>so you know, there's that pagombini od acid. I just

0:40:19.440 --> 0:40:22.160
<v Speaker 2>can't imagine how that would be horrendous. But anyway, ten

0:40:22.200 --> 0:40:26.120
<v Speaker 2>hours after this, she's finally able to utter more than

0:40:26.160 --> 0:40:29.160
<v Speaker 2>a few random words of gibberish. Soon enough, she's able

0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:31.560
<v Speaker 2>to listen to her roommate and her eyes stop lolling

0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:33.759
<v Speaker 2>around in her head, and then she starts being able

0:40:33.800 --> 0:40:36.120
<v Speaker 2>to spit out like more than just a few random words,

0:40:36.120 --> 0:40:39.720
<v Speaker 2>but she's actually able to like hold a conversation until

0:40:39.760 --> 0:40:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Finally she's able to come down, and then she's able

0:40:42.040 --> 0:40:42.760
<v Speaker 2>to fall asleep.

0:40:43.320 --> 0:40:43.600
<v Speaker 3>Okay.

0:40:43.640 --> 0:40:46.920
<v Speaker 2>The next day she wakes up and she discovers shocker

0:40:46.960 --> 0:40:50.880
<v Speaker 2>of all shockers, her debilitating pain from the lime disease gone.

0:40:51.719 --> 0:40:52.880
<v Speaker 3>Wow, her feet.

0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:55.640
<v Speaker 2>And ankles no longer ached. Then she found that after

0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:58.279
<v Speaker 2>three days the pain it did come back, but she

0:40:58.280 --> 0:41:00.879
<v Speaker 2>could treat it by popping a low dose of morphine

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:02.720
<v Speaker 2>and a microdose of LSD.

0:41:03.000 --> 0:41:04.960
<v Speaker 3>Sure, the morphine's going to help the pain.

0:41:05.120 --> 0:41:07.479
<v Speaker 2>She'd been taking a high dose of morphine for her pain.

0:41:07.600 --> 0:41:10.400
<v Speaker 2>She just ratcheted down to a low dose and then

0:41:10.440 --> 0:41:12.800
<v Speaker 2>the micro dose of LSD. So she keeps this regimen

0:41:12.920 --> 0:41:16.799
<v Speaker 2>up for two years, and then she weans herself off

0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:20.319
<v Speaker 2>of the morphine and then just stops microdosing LSD. By

0:41:20.400 --> 0:41:23.960
<v Speaker 2>January of twenty eighteen, totally pain free. The LSD had

0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:27.440
<v Speaker 2>cured her lyme disease. Wow, that's said. There was a

0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:29.600
<v Speaker 2>bit of a trade off, because she did experience an

0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:33.279
<v Speaker 2>increase in her anxiety, her depression, and her desire for

0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:37.560
<v Speaker 2>social withdrawal. So there is that. So now she can dance,

0:41:37.600 --> 0:41:39.440
<v Speaker 2>but she doesn't want to dance near anybody she's got.

0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:42.160
<v Speaker 2>There's always something, So it wasn't a perfect cure.

0:41:42.160 --> 0:41:44.720
<v Speaker 3>All what I seemed to have some suffering.

0:41:44.760 --> 0:41:47.200
<v Speaker 2>Aren't we all? That's what the Buddhists tell me exactly. Now,

0:41:47.200 --> 0:41:49.200
<v Speaker 2>to be clear, I'm not saying anyone should take mega

0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:51.319
<v Speaker 2>looads of acid to try to cure their product pain.

0:41:51.960 --> 0:41:54.600
<v Speaker 2>But I am saying is that, like Albert Hoffman believed,

0:41:54.719 --> 0:41:57.319
<v Speaker 2>LSD twenty five is a strange wonder drug and quite

0:41:57.320 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 2>possibly has many therapeutic uses for human being. Yeah, we

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:02.319
<v Speaker 2>just don't know what they are because people aren't allowed

0:42:02.320 --> 0:42:03.360
<v Speaker 2>to experiment with acid.

0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:04.480
<v Speaker 3>That's the worst part of that.

0:42:04.800 --> 0:42:07.719
<v Speaker 2>Now, unlike many other street drugs, there's never been a

0:42:07.719 --> 0:42:11.520
<v Speaker 2>documented fatal overdose of LSD. Okay, this woman got the

0:42:11.560 --> 0:42:14.120
<v Speaker 2>closest that we are ever. Yeah, but she lives because

0:42:14.120 --> 0:42:17.960
<v Speaker 2>apparently scientists they theorized it's possible. They think that fourteen

0:42:18.000 --> 0:42:21.360
<v Speaker 2>thousand micrograms is the likely threshold for a fatal overdose

0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:24.120
<v Speaker 2>of acid, which, if you're keeping scores, about two and

0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:27.400
<v Speaker 2>a half times what this woman took. The lime disease sufferer,

0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:30.400
<v Speaker 2>she was right like almost redlining fatal dosage.

0:42:30.400 --> 0:42:35.120
<v Speaker 3>It feels like a total CSI episode. Yeah, that someone

0:42:35.120 --> 0:42:36.440
<v Speaker 3>gets a fatal dose of Ells.

0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:40.160
<v Speaker 2>He watched CSI I used to have, like you didn't

0:42:40.160 --> 0:42:41.560
<v Speaker 2>even go to like house or like some of the

0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:43.160
<v Speaker 2>funner medical It's like.

0:42:43.080 --> 0:42:48.080
<v Speaker 3>A kind of yeah, it's like a silly, campy thing.

0:42:48.360 --> 0:42:50.000
<v Speaker 2>I mostly know it from like the memes and like

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:52.120
<v Speaker 2>my mother telling me she was watching it. So I'm sorry,

0:42:52.160 --> 0:42:54.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't really know CSI. I do know the beginning

0:42:54.440 --> 0:42:55.799
<v Speaker 2>where he puts the sunglasses on.

0:42:55.920 --> 0:42:57.480
<v Speaker 3>That's the Miami one I never watched.

0:42:57.520 --> 0:42:59.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh that's the Miami one. That's not the og No.

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:03.280
<v Speaker 3>That's a vague. Oh, actually the Vegas.

0:43:03.480 --> 0:43:05.279
<v Speaker 2>I take it all back. You were like deep in

0:43:05.320 --> 0:43:05.640
<v Speaker 2>the cut.

0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:07.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, basically all the time.

0:43:08.000 --> 0:43:10.160
<v Speaker 2>Now I mentioned earlier, and we haven't quite gotten it

0:43:10.200 --> 0:43:13.040
<v Speaker 2>to this yet, but we can't skip over it. Where

0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:15.239
<v Speaker 2>does Keith Richards fit into all this acid top?

0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:17.799
<v Speaker 3>That is the question on my mind right.

0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:20.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, thanks for keeping me on track, Elizabeth, no problem.

0:43:20.280 --> 0:43:22.360
<v Speaker 2>Like I said up top, one time, John Lennon and

0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:25.680
<v Speaker 2>Keith Richards took an acid road trip together. We know

0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:28.200
<v Speaker 2>this because Keith Richards wrote about it in his twenty

0:43:28.280 --> 0:43:31.720
<v Speaker 2>ten memoir Life Now. This happened in neither nineteen sixty

0:43:31.760 --> 0:43:34.640
<v Speaker 2>seven or nineteen sixty eight. Keith Richard doesn't exactly remember

0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:37.080
<v Speaker 2>what year it was. I mean, can you blame the man,

0:43:38.040 --> 0:43:40.320
<v Speaker 2>but we do know he was deep in a psychedelic space.

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:42.120
<v Speaker 2>So it was in that period. Now, Elizabeth, it may

0:43:42.160 --> 0:43:44.400
<v Speaker 2>surprise you to hear that John Lennon and Keith Richards

0:43:44.440 --> 0:43:47.400
<v Speaker 2>would do acid together. Since they weren't exactly known to

0:43:47.400 --> 0:43:49.480
<v Speaker 2>be big fans of each other. He kind of actually

0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:51.960
<v Speaker 2>had like, you know, like a falling out like a

0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:54.520
<v Speaker 2>long time. But at least they would snipe each other

0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:56.960
<v Speaker 2>in the press. Yeah, right, But that all comes later,

0:43:57.000 --> 0:43:59.960
<v Speaker 2>because in sixty seven or sixty eight they were still friendly,

0:44:00.400 --> 0:44:02.840
<v Speaker 2>and so they had with them a quart of acid

0:44:02.960 --> 0:44:06.520
<v Speaker 2>liquid and they decided to take a road trip together.

0:44:08.800 --> 0:44:11.479
<v Speaker 2>They could have so much coffee. So by then John

0:44:11.520 --> 0:44:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Lennon had already been dosed by his dentist and he

0:44:13.719 --> 0:44:16.239
<v Speaker 2>had endured the bummer bad trip at Peter Fonda, so

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:18.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, he knew what he was in for, and

0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:22.600
<v Speaker 2>surprisingly he was still willing to get sideways with Keith Richards. Now,

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:25.279
<v Speaker 2>in his memoir, Keith says that their epic acid road

0:44:25.280 --> 0:44:28.400
<v Speaker 2>trip was an episode of such extremes that can barely

0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:31.960
<v Speaker 2>piece together a fragment, right, he doesn't remember any of it.

0:44:32.040 --> 0:44:34.520
<v Speaker 2>The story goes, though, he actually had to go and

0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:36.000
<v Speaker 2>like talk to someone else who was on the trip

0:44:36.000 --> 0:44:37.960
<v Speaker 2>with them, be like what do you remember, so he

0:44:38.000 --> 0:44:41.239
<v Speaker 2>could get the stick piece together his fragmented memory. So

0:44:41.280 --> 0:44:44.239
<v Speaker 2>the story goes, the two weren't together in London at

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:46.799
<v Speaker 2>a nightclub in Hyde Park when the idea came to them.

0:44:46.880 --> 0:44:48.880
<v Speaker 2>It was like in the small hours of the morning,

0:44:48.920 --> 0:44:51.080
<v Speaker 2>like two three in the morning, when the idea was like,

0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:54.040
<v Speaker 2>we should take a bunch of acid and drive across England,

0:44:54.239 --> 0:44:55.960
<v Speaker 2>and like that's when that sounds like a good idea

0:44:56.000 --> 0:44:58.759
<v Speaker 2>in the small hours of the morning right now. So

0:44:58.880 --> 0:45:02.319
<v Speaker 2>there's Purple out just before dawn when their adventure begins,

0:45:02.840 --> 0:45:05.360
<v Speaker 2>there's John Lennon and Keith Richards, and with them is

0:45:05.400 --> 0:45:08.080
<v Speaker 2>also Carrie Anne Mohler. I don't expect you to know

0:45:08.080 --> 0:45:10.880
<v Speaker 2>who that is, no, but if you're wondering, she was

0:45:10.960 --> 0:45:14.080
<v Speaker 2>the wife of Mick Jagger's younger brother, Chris Jagger.

0:45:15.560 --> 0:45:17.319
<v Speaker 3>Chris Jagger, I don't know.

0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Why is Chris Jagger's wife going on a road trip

0:45:21.200 --> 0:45:25.239
<v Speaker 2>with Keith Richards and John Lennon. I just kind of

0:45:25.239 --> 0:45:27.120
<v Speaker 2>freaky like that. I don't know. I won't judge. That

0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:29.920
<v Speaker 2>would be my turn not to judge. So they also

0:45:30.040 --> 0:45:33.640
<v Speaker 2>had Keith Richards driver his chauffeur with them. Thank god

0:45:33.680 --> 0:45:37.279
<v Speaker 2>they had a show. So because Keith Richards remembers it,

0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:39.799
<v Speaker 2>it was one of those cases of John wanting to

0:45:39.840 --> 0:45:41.000
<v Speaker 2>do more drugs than me.

0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:42.360
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:45:43.000 --> 0:45:45.239
<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you right, that's serious that if you

0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:48.640
<v Speaker 2>want to outpace Keith Richards on drugs like danger danger

0:45:48.880 --> 0:45:51.719
<v Speaker 2>ye flash the lights yea. So also, by the way,

0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:53.920
<v Speaker 2>I should point out, they had quite a drug stash

0:45:54.000 --> 0:45:56.279
<v Speaker 2>with them, as Keith tells it, they had a.

0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:59.240
<v Speaker 6>Huge bag of weed, a lump of hash and acid

0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:03.200
<v Speaker 6>court so they get tuned up on the acid.

0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:05.279
<v Speaker 2>They're smoking the hash and the weed and they're like,

0:46:05.360 --> 0:46:08.080
<v Speaker 2>let's hit the road. Their first place they decided to

0:46:08.120 --> 0:46:10.040
<v Speaker 2>go is John Lennon's place, and at this time he

0:46:10.160 --> 0:46:13.359
<v Speaker 2>was married with his with his wife Cynthia, and they

0:46:13.360 --> 0:46:16.719
<v Speaker 2>lived in a rural country manor. So, as Keith tells it,

0:46:16.760 --> 0:46:19.520
<v Speaker 2>they popped out to Lennon's country home and said hi

0:46:19.600 --> 0:46:23.719
<v Speaker 2>to Cynthia. So perhaps it was to get permission for

0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:26.160
<v Speaker 2>John Lennon to disappear for like three days or something.

0:46:26.200 --> 0:46:28.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I guess she gave him the green

0:46:28.080 --> 0:46:30.120
<v Speaker 2>flag to go because boom, now they're off on their

0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:30.719
<v Speaker 2>merry way.

0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:31.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Heads full of acid, they tell the shrif for drive

0:46:33.960 --> 0:46:37.040
<v Speaker 2>them to their next proposed stop on their magical mystery tour,

0:46:37.320 --> 0:46:39.960
<v Speaker 2>which was Carrie Anne Muller's mother's place.

0:46:41.200 --> 0:46:45.280
<v Speaker 3>Why, like the extended family tree on this is amazing, right, there's.

0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:47.919
<v Speaker 2>Like, hey, we should go see my mom. She's always

0:46:47.960 --> 0:46:51.640
<v Speaker 2>wanted to meet you, John, So they go. I guess

0:46:51.640 --> 0:46:53.359
<v Speaker 2>it made sense at the time. Who knows her mother

0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:55.840
<v Speaker 2>lived at the English seaside in this little town, and

0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:58.880
<v Speaker 2>they planned to show up unannounced, twisted on acid and

0:46:58.960 --> 0:47:01.600
<v Speaker 2>arrived just in time for breakfast. What a treat that

0:47:01.600 --> 0:47:04.120
<v Speaker 2>would be, right, Or, as Keith tells it, what a

0:47:04.200 --> 0:47:05.239
<v Speaker 2>nice visit for her mother.

0:47:05.560 --> 0:47:07.840
<v Speaker 6>A couple of flying acid heads who've been up for

0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:08.680
<v Speaker 6>a couple of nights.

0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:13.200
<v Speaker 2>We got there about dawn. Yeah. So, however, Keith means

0:47:13.239 --> 0:47:16.080
<v Speaker 2>their mother's little seaside town because before they show up

0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:19.479
<v Speaker 2>at her mother's house, they decide to stop at a cafe. Why.

0:47:19.560 --> 0:47:21.480
<v Speaker 2>Once again, I have no idea. Maybe they wanted to

0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:23.880
<v Speaker 2>coffee to kind of sober up. Maybe they just wanted

0:47:23.880 --> 0:47:26.160
<v Speaker 2>some bangers in mash who knows no idea. Maybe I

0:47:26.200 --> 0:47:29.680
<v Speaker 2>wanted English breakfast, you know, put some beans on my plate. No,

0:47:29.920 --> 0:47:34.240
<v Speaker 2>so they decide, you know, but well, rather than speculate, Elizabeth,

0:47:34.360 --> 0:47:36.760
<v Speaker 2>let's just dive into this weird little moment of rock history.

0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:38.960
<v Speaker 2>I'd like you, if you'd be so kind to Elizabeth, I'd

0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:41.840
<v Speaker 2>like you to close your eyes. I'd like you to

0:47:41.960 --> 0:47:52.399
<v Speaker 2>picture it. It's early in the morning. I'm talking super early,

0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:55.719
<v Speaker 2>which is unfortunate because you're up. Why because you're a

0:47:55.760 --> 0:47:58.000
<v Speaker 2>cafe cat, you know, like one of those cats that

0:47:58.080 --> 0:48:00.200
<v Speaker 2>lives in a cafe and the type of gets to

0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:04.920
<v Speaker 2>wander around because customers find you charming. Plus you're well behaved.

0:48:05.120 --> 0:48:07.560
<v Speaker 2>You don't hop up on the customer's tables, you don't

0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:11.040
<v Speaker 2>break glasses or crockery. Like I said, you're well behaved.

0:48:11.120 --> 0:48:13.240
<v Speaker 2>And at the moment, you're working on a saucer of milk.

0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:16.400
<v Speaker 2>As you lap it up, purring to yourself. Happy in

0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:20.000
<v Speaker 2>your early morning moment, you sense a disturbance in the force.

0:48:20.520 --> 0:48:22.360
<v Speaker 2>You look up from your saucerful of milk and you

0:48:22.400 --> 0:48:25.799
<v Speaker 2>see the lone waitress for this early morning shift of

0:48:25.880 --> 0:48:29.680
<v Speaker 2>regulars staring out the window. She has stopped flat footed

0:48:29.680 --> 0:48:32.920
<v Speaker 2>and is gawking at something outside the window. One of

0:48:32.960 --> 0:48:36.439
<v Speaker 2>the early morning regulars calls over to her and asks

0:48:36.480 --> 0:48:38.879
<v Speaker 2>for a fresh cup of tea. He taps a tea

0:48:38.920 --> 0:48:41.799
<v Speaker 2>spoon against his cup that brings the waitress round. She

0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:45.080
<v Speaker 2>walks over to his table, teapot in hand. Her shoes

0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:48.799
<v Speaker 2>squeaks softly against the freshly cleaned floor. She apologizes for

0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:51.480
<v Speaker 2>the awkward pause at the window and pours a fresh

0:48:51.560 --> 0:48:55.000
<v Speaker 2>cup of It's English breakfast. It's always English breakfast. The

0:48:55.040 --> 0:48:57.680
<v Speaker 2>din of conversation is a pleasant backdrop. As you return

0:48:57.760 --> 0:49:00.839
<v Speaker 2>to your attention of the saucer of milk, you laugh

0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:04.919
<v Speaker 2>up the heavy cream deliciousness, enjoying each tongue ful. That's

0:49:04.960 --> 0:49:08.160
<v Speaker 2>when you hear it. The bell over the cafe door chimes.

0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:12.080
<v Speaker 2>The door sweeps open, and standing there in the doorway

0:49:12.080 --> 0:49:15.480
<v Speaker 2>are three young folks who immediately stop dead in their tracks.

0:49:15.719 --> 0:49:18.840
<v Speaker 2>They stand there in the open doorway. The moment seems

0:49:18.840 --> 0:49:22.759
<v Speaker 2>to last interminably long. You watch them, and all of

0:49:22.760 --> 0:49:25.080
<v Speaker 2>the morning regulars in the cafe stop what they're doing

0:49:25.120 --> 0:49:27.760
<v Speaker 2>to turn and watch them. The cafe is now silent,

0:49:28.160 --> 0:49:30.959
<v Speaker 2>until without any reason that you can detect the three

0:49:31.000 --> 0:49:33.440
<v Speaker 2>young folks who are grinning like idiots and look like

0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:36.040
<v Speaker 2>they've been up all night. They all burst out laughing.

0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:38.840
<v Speaker 2>They practically fall over themselves with a wicked case of

0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:43.200
<v Speaker 2>the giggles. They find something who knows terribly funny, but

0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:46.160
<v Speaker 2>no one in this cafe shares the joke. After the

0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:49.360
<v Speaker 2>three young folks stop laughing, they step through the open doorway,

0:49:49.600 --> 0:49:51.959
<v Speaker 2>first the young woman with the crazy messed up hair,

0:49:52.160 --> 0:49:54.719
<v Speaker 2>then the young men. The ganglier of the two young

0:49:54.760 --> 0:49:58.000
<v Speaker 2>men steps through first. He's followed by the second young man,

0:49:58.160 --> 0:50:00.480
<v Speaker 2>the one wearing glasses that look like he borrowed them

0:50:00.520 --> 0:50:03.200
<v Speaker 2>from his grandmother. The three laughing idiots take a seat

0:50:03.200 --> 0:50:05.719
<v Speaker 2>at the counter. They jostle each other as they get situated,

0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:08.960
<v Speaker 2>some more titters of laughter. The one wearing his grandma's

0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:11.960
<v Speaker 2>glasses pipes up, boy, can we get a spot of service?

0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:12.200
<v Speaker 6>Love?

0:50:12.800 --> 0:50:15.440
<v Speaker 2>That sends the three idiots into another laughing fit. The

0:50:15.480 --> 0:50:17.960
<v Speaker 2>waitress rolls her eyes and walks over to them. She

0:50:18.120 --> 0:50:20.319
<v Speaker 2>brings with her the pot of English breakfast teeth. She

0:50:20.360 --> 0:50:23.400
<v Speaker 2>greets them with no love in her voice. Something funny

0:50:23.400 --> 0:50:26.319
<v Speaker 2>to you lot. The ganglier one with the shaggy hair,

0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:28.200
<v Speaker 2>he pipes up, you know you don't need to be

0:50:28.280 --> 0:50:31.040
<v Speaker 2>on about us. We just want an English breakfast. Mom.

0:50:31.320 --> 0:50:33.360
<v Speaker 2>The waitress screws up her face into a look of

0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:36.000
<v Speaker 2>serious disdain. She didn't wake up this early to be

0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:38.560
<v Speaker 2>talked to like this by a bunch of young, shaggy

0:50:38.560 --> 0:50:41.319
<v Speaker 2>haired mop tops. And that's when it hits her. She

0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:44.640
<v Speaker 2>knows the one who looks like he's wearing his grandma's glasses.

0:50:44.680 --> 0:50:49.279
<v Speaker 2>It's that mouthy beetle John what's his name? He sees it,

0:50:49.360 --> 0:50:52.319
<v Speaker 2>He sees the moment of her recognition, and you see

0:50:52.320 --> 0:50:54.960
<v Speaker 2>the laughter drain out of him. His face changes in

0:50:55.000 --> 0:50:58.520
<v Speaker 2>an instant. The waitress says, you're that loud mouth lad

0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:01.920
<v Speaker 2>from the Beetles. That you you, John Lennon. He breaks

0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:04.600
<v Speaker 2>eye contact with the waitress. You don't know the term,

0:51:04.640 --> 0:51:06.800
<v Speaker 2>but if you did know the term, you'd say she's

0:51:06.920 --> 0:51:09.520
<v Speaker 2>fully harshed his mellow. Or perhaps you might say she's

0:51:09.560 --> 0:51:12.720
<v Speaker 2>bummed out as high. Either one would work. She's not done,

0:51:12.840 --> 0:51:15.520
<v Speaker 2>She says, yeah, that's you, all right. You're that pissy

0:51:15.520 --> 0:51:18.640
<v Speaker 2>little wink on the radio. The other young felle speaks

0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:23.360
<v Speaker 2>up to as h he recognized me, love. The waitress

0:51:23.360 --> 0:51:26.200
<v Speaker 2>gives him the stink eye and says flatly, now, who

0:51:26.239 --> 0:51:29.000
<v Speaker 2>are you? That brings him right down to earth, just

0:51:29.080 --> 0:51:31.400
<v Speaker 2>the same as the one in his grandma's glasses. The

0:51:31.440 --> 0:51:34.400
<v Speaker 2>young woman doesn't say anything until finally she asks, is

0:51:34.440 --> 0:51:38.000
<v Speaker 2>that English breakfast tea? Before the waitress can answer, the

0:51:38.000 --> 0:51:41.080
<v Speaker 2>one she recognized, the beatle John Lennon stands up and announceays,

0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:43.799
<v Speaker 2>come on, Keith, come on, carry Anne. I can't be

0:51:44.000 --> 0:51:47.239
<v Speaker 2>anymore this place gives me the no goodies. The ganglier

0:51:47.320 --> 0:51:49.880
<v Speaker 2>one agrees, yeah, mate, let's piss off, And just like

0:51:49.920 --> 0:51:52.359
<v Speaker 2>that they all stand up. The morning regulars will watch

0:51:52.440 --> 0:51:55.239
<v Speaker 2>them go. The bell over the door chimes once more,

0:51:55.480 --> 0:51:58.320
<v Speaker 2>and the door closes behind them, and then someone says,

0:51:58.560 --> 0:52:01.960
<v Speaker 2>what a bunch of daft, And now it's the regular's

0:52:02.000 --> 0:52:05.560
<v Speaker 2>turn to all laugh at them. So there you go, Elizabeth,

0:52:05.840 --> 0:52:06.880
<v Speaker 2>the no goodies.

0:52:07.760 --> 0:52:09.239
<v Speaker 3>I've got the new goodies.

0:52:09.520 --> 0:52:12.040
<v Speaker 2>So there you go, Elizabeth. That's when Keith, John Lennon

0:52:12.080 --> 0:52:15.120
<v Speaker 2>and Mick Jagger's little brother's wife, Carrie Anne all realized

0:52:15.160 --> 0:52:19.040
<v Speaker 2>precisely just how high they were. According to Keith Richards,

0:52:19.040 --> 0:52:21.239
<v Speaker 2>when they walked into that cafe, not only was it

0:52:21.280 --> 0:52:23.160
<v Speaker 2>like throwing cold water in their faces. You have to

0:52:23.239 --> 0:52:26.000
<v Speaker 2>keep in mind This is at the tail end of Beatlemania,

0:52:26.200 --> 0:52:28.480
<v Speaker 2>and so John Lennon never knew when people would lose

0:52:28.520 --> 0:52:31.760
<v Speaker 2>their minds in his proximity. So can you only imagine

0:52:31.800 --> 0:52:33.720
<v Speaker 2>how wild it must have been to be a beetle

0:52:33.760 --> 0:52:35.280
<v Speaker 2>and be on acid in public.

0:52:35.719 --> 0:52:39.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh if people just in your face, making faces and screaming.

0:52:39.520 --> 0:52:41.879
<v Speaker 2>Wanting things from you, having all these opinions about you,

0:52:42.000 --> 0:52:45.359
<v Speaker 2>trying to grab stuff from you. Yeah. So at this point,

0:52:45.440 --> 0:52:47.240
<v Speaker 2>not only did three of them on their magical Mystery

0:52:47.320 --> 0:52:49.600
<v Speaker 2>Tour acid road trip realize how twisted they were, they

0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:51.480
<v Speaker 2>all realized what a bad idea it would be to

0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:54.480
<v Speaker 2>go to Carrie Anne's mother's house in the state they were. Yeah,

0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:57.279
<v Speaker 2>So instead they popped over to a beach. I'm there.

0:52:57.360 --> 0:52:59.880
<v Speaker 2>They enjoyed the rest of their acid trip on their own, or,

0:53:00.000 --> 0:53:02.000
<v Speaker 2>as Keith tells it, that palm trees.

0:53:02.080 --> 0:53:03.920
<v Speaker 6>So it looks as if we like sat on the

0:53:03.960 --> 0:53:07.920
<v Speaker 6>Tolkay palm lined esplanade for a great many hours, engrossed

0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:08.960
<v Speaker 6>in a little world of.

0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:13.080
<v Speaker 2>I own smart right. Non Surprisingly, Keith Richards is an

0:53:13.160 --> 0:53:16.920
<v Speaker 2>unreliable narrator for his own life because he doesn't remember

0:53:16.960 --> 0:53:18.960
<v Speaker 2>what else they did for the next day or so.

0:53:20.120 --> 0:53:22.560
<v Speaker 2>After they laid about on the esplanade at that shore.

0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:24.040
<v Speaker 2>But he sums it up like.

0:53:23.960 --> 0:53:28.080
<v Speaker 6>This, there follow therefore some missing hours because we didn't

0:53:28.080 --> 0:53:30.239
<v Speaker 6>get back to John's house until after dark.

0:53:31.120 --> 0:53:33.200
<v Speaker 2>Now I am happy to report though, as Keith finished

0:53:33.280 --> 0:53:35.359
<v Speaker 2>up his tale of their acid road trip, we got

0:53:35.400 --> 0:53:37.280
<v Speaker 2>home and so everyone was happy.

0:53:37.600 --> 0:53:40.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know that is the measure of success.

0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Did you make it home? And did you have everyone

0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:42.640
<v Speaker 2>with you?

0:53:43.000 --> 0:53:43.800
<v Speaker 3>And were they happy?

0:53:43.880 --> 0:53:46.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? O good point and so. And also their chauffeur

0:53:46.760 --> 0:53:48.960
<v Speaker 2>was there, I think, kind of like as their trip babysitter.

0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:50.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so helpful.

0:53:50.760 --> 0:53:53.080
<v Speaker 2>We can also hear the story, but we never do

0:53:53.160 --> 0:53:55.759
<v Speaker 2>hear this story from John Lennon's perspective because he never

0:53:55.800 --> 0:53:58.959
<v Speaker 2>spoke of it publicly, because why would he. But John

0:53:59.000 --> 0:54:01.440
<v Speaker 2>Lennon also had even less of a memory of the

0:54:01.520 --> 0:54:04.520
<v Speaker 2>chain of events of this road trip than Keith Richards did,

0:54:04.520 --> 0:54:07.200
<v Speaker 2>because I remember he was doing more drugs, right. So,

0:54:07.280 --> 0:54:08.320
<v Speaker 2>as Keith tells it.

0:54:08.360 --> 0:54:11.239
<v Speaker 6>Johnny and I about this sometimes he is later in

0:54:11.280 --> 0:54:14.120
<v Speaker 6>New York and he would ask what happened on that trip?

0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:18.360
<v Speaker 2>So there you go. That concludes our little acid field

0:54:18.360 --> 0:54:21.640
<v Speaker 2>trip through the world of LSD twenty five. What's a

0:54:21.719 --> 0:54:23.880
<v Speaker 2>ridiculous takeaway here, Elizabeth, I wanted.

0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:26.080
<v Speaker 3>To keep away from the no goodies, right.

0:54:26.360 --> 0:54:28.360
<v Speaker 2>I think that's just true in all things acid or

0:54:28.400 --> 0:54:28.920
<v Speaker 2>no acid.

0:54:29.040 --> 0:54:30.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, what about you? Oh wow?

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for asking. As somebody who's done his fair

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<v Speaker 2>bit of acid when I was a much younger man,

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<v Speaker 2>I will say, don't feel any compulsion to do it

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, take in mind all these bad trips

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<v Speaker 2>these people have, but also don't be afraid of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it is what you bring to it, So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>try to be like Keith Richards, unafraid, fancy and open

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<v Speaker 2>minded and foxy. Yes they do. So you're the mood

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<v Speaker 2>for a talkback to race away all of this acid.

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<v Speaker 3>Hangover ice most certainly, am day.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you favors the one? Oh god?

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<v Speaker 7>I hi, Elizabeth and Jaren. I just heard my talkback

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<v Speaker 7>about the cours Bear smuggling from California to Chicago. Just

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<v Speaker 7>wanted to clarify that was on a Navy P three aircraft,

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<v Speaker 7>So the Navy was helping us smuggle Couris beer from

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<v Speaker 7>California to Chicago.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks.

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<v Speaker 7>I think that's even more ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>Hell, yes, smoking the bandit in the skies on Navy

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<v Speaker 2>aircraft way more ridiculous. Good dude, I love our dudes.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you guys for these are the talkbacks kill us.

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<v Speaker 2>We were really very much looking forward to listening to

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<v Speaker 2>what you guys have out there, and this that's an

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<v Speaker 2>excellent one. Thank you, brother huh. As always, you can

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<v Speaker 2>find us online Ridiculous Crime on social media, and we

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<v Speaker 2>now have our account, Ridiculous Crime Pod on YouTube. Go

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<v Speaker 2>check it out, leave a comment like subscribe, Tell your mama,

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<v Speaker 2>your daddy, you greasy, greasy granny. We also have our website,

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<v Speaker 2>Ridiculous Crime dot com. And uh, you know, Elizabeth, I

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<v Speaker 2>found out recently T Shirt Makers of America have nominated

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<v Speaker 2>on our website for the website of the Year for

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<v Speaker 2>T shirt makers.

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<v Speaker 3>You're kidding, I know.

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<v Speaker 2>And because we have merch on there, it was a

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<v Speaker 2>really big deal. I was like, wait, we're a T

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<v Speaker 2>shirt maker. We weren't nominated for T shirt making. We

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<v Speaker 2>were dominated just.

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<v Speaker 3>For the websita. I'll take what I can get.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, if you like our if we want some merch,

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<v Speaker 2>go check out the website. We got a bunch of stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where you get a sloth T shirt. Now, obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>as I said, We love your talkback, so go the

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<v Speaker 2>iHeart app, download it, record a talkback, reach out to us,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe you'll get to hear your voice on here.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd love to hear it. And what else. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com. We'd love your

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<v Speaker 2>emails also, so please go TYPEE, type type and then

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<v Speaker 2>people pop up and send it right off to us,

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<v Speaker 2>and the interns will hand us over the emails and

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<v Speaker 2>be like, oh laugh. Maybe we'll read it on the air.

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<v Speaker 3>Maybe maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's all I got for you, but uh, we'll

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<v Speaker 2>be back next time and we will catch you next crime.

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<v Speaker 2>Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnett,

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<v Speaker 2>produced and edited by the Groovous Dude on This Psychedelic

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<v Speaker 2>Bus maybe Ave Coustin, and starring annals Rucker as Judith.

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<v Speaker 2>Research is by Keith Richards ghostwriter Marissa Brown. Our theme

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<v Speaker 2>song is by our Resident Grateful Dead cover band The

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<v Speaker 2>Hopeful Alive Thomas Lee and Travis Dutton. The host wardrobe

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<v Speaker 2>provided by Bontany five hundred. Guest hair and makeup by

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<v Speaker 2>Sparkleshock and mister Andre. Executive producers are Neil Cassidy's beat

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<v Speaker 2>poetry beat boxer Ben Bolin, and Ken Kesey's backup bus

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<v Speaker 2>driver Noel Brown.

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<v Speaker 3>Red Why Say It one more Time? Geek Yes Crime.

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