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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And Hey, Elizabeth Saron, how are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I'm well, how are you?

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Speaker 2: You look? Well? You look really well rested.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: You have a glow to you.

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Speaker 3: So do you?

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Speaker 2: Thank you? I'm I'm feeling like a pregnant woman. I

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Speaker 2: got a glow to me.

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Speaker 3: You look fantastic.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I got a question for you another one

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Speaker 2: second one. Actually I haven't asked you one yet, so

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Speaker 2: I guess this is my first question. I like strike

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Speaker 2: that from the record. The question is this, do you

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Speaker 2: know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: I do. I do know what's ridiculous. I want to

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Speaker 3: just establish something first though, that we have maybe not

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Speaker 3: all that. We don't like all the same things.

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Speaker 2: You and I.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but they compliment each other.

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Speaker 2: I would agree with that.

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Speaker 3: You like Josh allenback and you like Snickers bars.

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Speaker 2: I love Snickers bars.

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Speaker 3: And I like sauces. Stop it go on.

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Speaker 2: No, I'm gonna have an open mind.

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Speaker 3: Well, open up because Snickers is teaming up with Josh Allen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's not bad as a mashup.

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Speaker 3: To make sauces. I know, I really was. So there

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Speaker 3: are these dipping sauces barbecue.

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Speaker 2: Sauces for Snickers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, for Snickers. So there are three flavors.

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Speaker 2: I dip my Snickers in this.

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Speaker 3: Snickers caramel or caramel Buffalo sauce. So Parade Magazine, which

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Speaker 3: is my favorite source, says a sweet and spicy buffalo

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Speaker 3: wing style sauce with cayenne level heat and a vinegary sharpness,

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Speaker 3: versatile enough to be used on chicken, pizza, baked potatoes,

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Speaker 3: et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I was about ask is this for my chicken

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Speaker 2: or for my Snickers?

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Speaker 3: It's for your chicken. Then there's Snickers chocolate barbecue sauce thick, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I would hope. So, a thick chocolate based sauce with

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Speaker 3: a complex barbecue flavor profile and end notes of cocoa.

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Speaker 3: The most interesting of the bunch would probably pair well

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Speaker 3: with brisket. And then the last of the triplets Snickers

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Speaker 3: peanut teriake sauce, a creamy and nutty sauce similar to

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Speaker 3: setee with chunks of Snickers peanuts. Recommended pairings include chicken,

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Speaker 3: rice noodles or crisp and cold crispy and cold lettuce.

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Speaker 3: Just pour it on the lettuce. Apparently there's an issue

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Speaker 3: where the holes in the in the containers are too small,

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Speaker 3: and it gets all jammed up with the peanuts in

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Speaker 3: the taste trials for Parade Magazine. Oh, they scooped it

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Speaker 3: out with a knife. Now here's the thing. I know

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Speaker 3: you want some, Sarah. You can't go to the store

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Speaker 3: and get them. It's part of a special promotion. You

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Speaker 3: get it for free if you purchase a package of

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Speaker 3: Snickers Minis from them during the halftime of the one

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Speaker 3: pm Eastern NFL games on Sundays in September.

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Speaker 2: And why do you do this to me and my football?

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Speaker 3: Well, it looks I was gonna sign you up for

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Speaker 3: some of course, but it's it's very confusing to me.

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Speaker 3: I have a small god, and I know you get

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Speaker 3: irritated with me. No, I know the mashups. I don't

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Speaker 3: get mad at me, get mad at Mandy Hodge because

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Speaker 3: Mandy Hodge sent this to us.

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Speaker 2: And did this to me.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh.

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Speaker 2: I forgive you, man.

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Speaker 3: I am, but the messengers Aaron. This is all out

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Speaker 3: in the universe, and I just want you to know I.

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Speaker 2: Got nothing but love for you. Mandy. I forgive you

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Speaker 2: for this, this micro aggression, but not me, No, not you.

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Speaker 2: I got to kill the messenger, right. The saying goes

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Speaker 2: it don't kill the messenger, whatever it says.

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Speaker 3: Kill Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: Wow, wait, way to really just start this one off?

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Speaker 2: Nick Hay football season to me, huh right, Well, Lisabe,

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Speaker 2: I got a question for you, and this is a

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Speaker 3: I like fun.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's actually not a question. I lied to you,

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Speaker 2: it's a statement.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: You know there are a number of famous acid trips

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Speaker 2: that change the world. Sure there, Well a few of

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Speaker 2: them are the stories I want to tell you today.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 2: This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers, heists,

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Speaker 2: and cons. It's always ninety nine percent murder free and

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Speaker 2: one hundred percent ridiculous. Yes, Elizabeth, I know, I know.

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Speaker 2: I've told you a few drug based stories on this show.

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Speaker 2: Usually it's about cocayene because cocayene often leads to drug

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Speaker 2: capers and ridiculous crimes.

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Speaker 3: Not of crime.

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Speaker 2: Today, I have something I think I've only talked about once,

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Speaker 2: which is acid aka a LSD. Okay, At the moment,

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Speaker 2: magic mushrooms and LSD are kind of having well a

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Speaker 2: moment because they're being reconsidered for their therapeutic benefits right

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Speaker 2: right right in the Silicon Valley. Microdosing is a buzzword.

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Speaker 2: And when it comes to LSD, if you can believe it,

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Speaker 2: the current FDA has, according to the Associated Press quote

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Speaker 2: designated psilocybin MDMA. And now LSD has potential breakthrough therapies.

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Speaker 3: That's what I understand that it is with the proper

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Speaker 3: associative therapies and you know condition guide, Yeah, for stuff

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Speaker 2: That's a hell of an about face. When it comes

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Speaker 2: to psychedelics, yeah, yeah, that said. As you well know,

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Speaker 2: doing acid is still illegal, Yes it is. It's a

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Speaker 2: you the quote LSD is illegal. LSD is a Schedule

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Speaker 2: one substance under the Controlled Substances Act, which means in California,

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Speaker 2: where we live, where a Silicon Valley is, LSD is

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Speaker 2: still one hundred percent illegal. Now, if you were caught

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Speaker 2: possible misdemeanor. Yeah, but if you are convicted by a

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Speaker 2: judge for possessing a small amount of LSD, the punishment

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Speaker 3: Should I should I call a tip line? No, you

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Speaker 3: should not call a pard like Palo alto go to.

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Speaker 2: Facebook's meta headquarters. Now, obviously this varies from state to state.

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Speaker 2: If you're caught with acid on federal lands, like say

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Speaker 2: for your first defense, the punishment is quote a fine

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Speaker 2: at quote a fine of at least five thousand dollars

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Speaker 3: Doesn't it seem like a waste of time and resources?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? You don't, Yeah, you're asking me, Yes.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, I mean, if you're dropping acid in like a

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Speaker 2: You know, my rule and stuff is if you aren't

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Speaker 2: harming anybody, shouldn't be a crime, and that they argue

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you can buy as much alcohol as you want.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know they don't have strong lobbyists for LSD

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Speaker 2: until now, until I get on the state, Like I'll.

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Speaker 3: Be the lobbyist who's never taken LSD and loby forre it.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that'd be a good one. Yeah, Like as

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Speaker 2: a straight I want to tell you now you may

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Speaker 2: be wondering, Zaren, if there's a possibility of going to

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Speaker 3: Why would anyone risk it?

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Speaker 2: Good question, Elizabeth, Thank you, And because as I can

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Speaker 2: tell you firsthand, LSD can be incredible. Equally, it also

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Speaker 2: can be a brutal bad trip, an everlasting nightmare for

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Speaker 2: like six to eight hours or more. And Elizabeth, you

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Speaker 2: just said you've never done acid novel once, right, not

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Speaker 2: Well, since you don't know the LSD experience. Having never

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Speaker 2: done it, I have some first hand accounts for you.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity acid trips, yes, thank you, and because those are fun,

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Speaker 2: even if they're not fun for the celebrities. Some good,

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Speaker 2: some bad stories, but I promise all of them are ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Netflix has a documentary called Have a Good Trip, Adventures

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Speaker 2: and Psychedelics. It features a few great acid trip stories

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Speaker 2: doctors who study LSD to Deepak Chopra who is just

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Speaker 2: a casual acid fan. Oh really apparently so. One of

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Speaker 2: my favorite interviews in this doc is with Carrie Fisher. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you're gonna have celebrity drug stories. Carrie Fisher is gonna

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Speaker 2: It turns out Carrie Fisher liked it. So by the

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Speaker 2: In foreign look that's what we call acid Chica, is

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Speaker 2: Carrie Fisher put it quote, I would organize trips around

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Speaker 2: and so it's not a brilliant idea to then take

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine You're out to dinner with your friends,

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Speaker 2: like in Bali, and all of a sudden, Princess Lea

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Speaker 2: in They put it in Elyza because I just quoted

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Speaker 2: it right now. I mean, how could you not if

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Speaker 2: you're that documentary filmmaker. She made a psychedelic Star Wars joke. Okay,

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Speaker 2: back to Kerry Fisher. We turn around and there is

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Speaker 2: nude princess Leah and you just never see that coming

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Speaker 3: Well, that's your job of the hut.

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Speaker 2: Now. In that same documentary, the comic and fellow podcaster

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Speaker 2: Mark Maron, he tells the story of him having a

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Speaker 2: bad trip at wait for it, A Grateful Dead Show.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't even have that conscious question. I would just

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Speaker 3: I don't need to. I don't need to chance it.

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Speaker 3: Please?

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Speaker 2: Because I also happened to find in my research the

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Speaker 2: For whatever reason, John Lennon starts to have a bad trip,

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Speaker 2: John Lennon where he had shot himself. No, but not

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I've done that as an adult, but

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Speaker 2: Somehow he thought this would help pull John Lennon out

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Speaker 3: Oh, he did.

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Speaker 2: There is a song that the Beatles like sing and

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Speaker 2: But anyway, Elizabeth, how did acid become illegal?

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Speaker 3: How did it become illegal?

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Speaker 2: Fantastic question? Thank you for asking.

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Speaker 3: Oh is it?

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Speaker 2: It was the twenty fifth batch he created.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen thirty six he was working at Sando's laboratories

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Speaker 2: He doses himself, but don't worry. He had an assistant

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Speaker 2: recommended dosage is. But it wasn't all rainbows and kaleidoscopic

438
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 2: visions and engrossing sounds. It turned into trippy visuals because

439
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 2: Hoffmann also had a bit of a bummer. He also

440
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:48,960
Speaker 2: had the world's first bad acid trip. Yeah, yeah, because

441
00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:51,200
Speaker 2: he recalled how for part of that first acid trip

442
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:53,720
Speaker 2: he believed he was somewhere at the outer reaches of hell.

443
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,000
Speaker 3: Oh. What I mean, he says, is like anxiety and

444
00:21:58,320 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 3: para paralysis.

445
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds terrible and you have no expectations of

446
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 2: what it's going to be like, right, But thankfully the

447
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 2: next day, Hoffman, when he wakes up, he's super pleased

448
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 2: to find that his hellish trip had ended, as he

449
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,920
Speaker 2: felt once again himself. And that, as I said, that's

450
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,800
Speaker 2: the thing about your first acid trip, when you were

451
00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 2: in the thrall of LSD, you think, am I always

452
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 2: going to be like this? Am I always gonna think

453
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,160
Speaker 2: like this? And will it ever be normal again? Luckily

454
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:23,760
Speaker 2: acid trips.

455
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,919
Speaker 3: Eventually end, yeah, you would hope.

456
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, So there is I did find in my

457
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 2: research is one guy who took acid and his trip

458
00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 2: never ended. He's been on it.

459
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 3: That would be me. That would be me.

460
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 2: That was pretty scary.

461
00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 3: That's what I'm afraid of. You. You saw me once

462
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 3: eat an entire gummy.

463
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 5: Yes, it was very low THC sure, and it was horrible.

464
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,560
Speaker 5: You're a very giggly was nonsense, aga, But I remember

465
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,239
Speaker 5: I had to keep sitting there saying this is going

466
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 5: to be over.

467
00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was holding onto the couch. At some point,

468
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 3: this will be over. I tried taking him for like

469
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 3: insomnia anxiety. I have to take like a little nibble.

470
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 2: Like an ear off of.

471
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 3: Micro doose ta gummies that are already the lowest percentage possible,

472
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,680
Speaker 3: and I just, oh, nothing anxiety inducing. I already produce

473
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:16,159
Speaker 3: them that.

474
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think you're chemically like already like

475
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 2: leaning towards that.

476
00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 3: To keep telling yourself this is going to be over,

477
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 3: This will end, this will be over. It's not fun. Well,

478
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 3: you know for me.

479
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 2: Now for the next decade. LSD twenty five it becomes

480
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 2: this quiet kept secret amongst those in the know, And

481
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,879
Speaker 2: so there were folks who were They start experimenting with it.

482
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,119
Speaker 2: They go to the sand Dos laboratories, they order up

483
00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 2: some LSD pills they haven't sent over even to the America,

484
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: to the States, and right away these folks on the inside.

485
00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 2: They see the potential for LSD as a therapeutic, as

486
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 2: a way to treat certain mental illnesses personality complexes. And

487
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,400
Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty seven, this British psychiatrist named Humphrey Osmond

488
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 2: who was experimenting with LSD twenty five and he's all

489
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 2: hyped on his potential for how acid can rewire the

490
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,199
Speaker 2: human brain. Right, so he goes to his friend, this

491
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 2: writer named Aldus Huxley and he tells him all about it,

492
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:09,879
Speaker 2: all right, yeah, and obviously that leads to the doors

493
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 2: of perception. But also he asked all this Huxley to

494
00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 2: help him come up with a term to describe this potential.

495
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 2: Huxley suggests the word phanao thyme or phanrothyme, which is

496
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: derived from the Greek words for the Greek roots rather

497
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: for to show and for spirit, but to show spirit.

498
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: The psychiatrist Ozma was like, yeah, no, thanks for playing

499
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: all this, and he said he went with his own

500
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: idea psychedelic, which comes from the Greek roots for soul

501
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 2: and to make visible, So psychedelic means to make your

502
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: soul visible. Now. The dude even came up with a

503
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,240
Speaker 2: little rhyme for his new word to fathom hell or

504
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,120
Speaker 2: sore angelic, just take a pinch of psychedelic.

505
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 3: Wow.

506
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,199
Speaker 2: No, yeah, not a beatle. But now we associate these

507
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,479
Speaker 2: early days of acid with the hippies in nineteen sixties

508
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 2: San Francisco, or perhaps Timothy Leary and his early acid

509
00:24:57,119 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 2: tests back east at Harvard. One of the first big

510
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: psychedelic advocates was living in la in the fifties and

511
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: he was super famous. His name is Carrie Grant.

512
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 3: I cannot believe this.

513
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 2: Turns out Cary Grant was a super early psychedelic explorer,

514
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 2: like starting in nineteen fifty eight or nineteen fifty nine.

515
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 2: There's some discrepancy to when he started. But every Saturday morning,

516
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 2: Carry Grant would have his driver take him over to

517
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: the Psychiatric Institute of Beverly Hills. There he would sort

518
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 2: of sneak in the back doors and know and saw

519
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: him constantly going to this institute since he was so famous.

520
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 2: And once inside, he'd go to this small room where

521
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 2: there were easy chairs and a sofa and a record

522
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 2: player to set the vibe, and Carry Grant would get

523
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: sideways on LSD twenty five. He would take five pills

524
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,959
Speaker 2: shipped over from the Sandos Laboratory in Switzerland, and then

525
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: he'd do a round of therapy with his psychiatrist, doctor

526
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 2: Mortimer Hartman. Together they delve deep into Carry Grant's psyche,

527
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,480
Speaker 2: his past, his rough childhood back in Bristol, England.

528
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

529
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: Sometimes when he was like listening to the classical music

530
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: he really favored Chopin and Rockman and off, Carry Grant

531
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 2: would break down in tears and just sob for hours.

532
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 2: Other times he would just laugh and giggle and laugh

533
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: some more as he reframed his past traumas. And sometimes

534
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 2: he would do both.

535
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 3: He's way out of his time completely.

536
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 2: I mean like he's like a true psycho knot like

537
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 2: an explorer, Like, yeah, he went to the moon before

538
00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: everyone else.

539
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 3: Wow.

540
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: So when he was all done, his driver would then

541
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 2: take him back home and he'd still be tripping, and

542
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: then he would just be gazing out of the car

543
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 2: windows as the weird and wonderful world was passing by. Yeah,

544
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 2: and he did this more than one hundred times. It

545
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 2: lasted until nineteen sixty two, and Carry Grant said that

546
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 2: LSD saved his life. That's a direct quote from him.

547
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 3: Wow.

548
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: Now, Also Carry Grant didn't stop taking acid. In nineteen

549
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 2: sixty two, he just stopped going to his psychotherapists for it, okay,

550
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: but by then he'd stockpiled his own stash of acid,

551
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,119
Speaker 2: so he would just get twisted in the comfort of

552
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 2: his mansion and he kept on tripping at home for

553
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 2: like another decade. I'm talking well into the nineteen seventieses.

554
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 3: I just recently read the memoir by John Perry Barlow,

555
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 3: who's one of the Grateful Dead songwriters, sure, and he

556
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 3: dropped an incredible amount of acid over his life. And

557
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 3: he talks about how the your first trip, and he

558
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 3: writes it really beautifully and how mind expanding it was,

559
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 3: and how you know this incredible, beautiful experience, but that

560
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 3: every subsequent trip is just like a riff off of that,

561
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 3: Like he really opened the doors on the first one. Yes,

562
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: so you think about carry Grant has like gone through

563
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 3: this in the in like what I would think would

564
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 3: be for me. The only kind of acceptable setting is

565
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 3: like that kind of control around it. But so he's

566
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,320
Speaker 3: got it, he's opened those doors, and now he's able

567
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 3: to just replicate it on his own. It's like when

568
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 3: they say in therapy, well, now you have the tools.

569
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 3: He has the tool.

570
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 2: He definitely had the tools. He could like you know,

571
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: hallucinate the tools in his hands and get to work.

572
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: So the wild part for what he was doing, carry

573
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: Grant was like and when he's doing acid, he didn't

574
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: keep the secret in the fifties. In fact, quite the opposite.

575
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: He talked about it in interviews with Time Magazine and in

576
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 2: Look magazine the Washington Post. Carry Grant told Look Magazine

577
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 2: about his acid trips and his state of euphoria about

578
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,239
Speaker 2: my self discoveries. He told their readers also about how

579
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: during one trip, my mind seemed to leave my skull

580
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 2: and visit out a space. Yeah. So not only that,

581
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 2: carry Grant also told the readers of Ladies Home Journal

582
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 2: and how great LSD was recommending that the housewives maybe

583
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 2: get in on and this as well because at the

584
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: same time they're also recommending MDMA for housewives. So this

585
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: was not the only like substance and dexadene. Yeah, tofinitely,

586
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,399
Speaker 2: but these were ones that are supposed to like, you know,

587
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: challenge things, not just help them like you know, clean

588
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: faster or whatever. Now this is also, by the way,

589
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 2: way before the hippies got ahold of acid, Carry Grant

590
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 2: was Johnny Appleseed for LSD. Yeah, I mean he was

591
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 2: like Johnny Apple LSD. Yeah. Now, meanwhile, his doctor, doctor

592
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:41,680
Speaker 2: Mortimer Hartman, he starts his own psychedelic psychotherapy in Beverly

593
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 2: Hills for his rich clients who also wanted to see

594
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 2: outer space with their mind's eye and like heal their

595
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: traumas too. So as a result, unfortunately, this guy's medical

596
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 2: license gets suspended in nineteen sixty one by the California

597
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: Board of Medical Examiners because although at first LSD twenty

598
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: five was seen as another like post war example of

599
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,440
Speaker 2: better living through cast, by the early sixties it becomes

600
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: banned as a therapeutic. More on that in a second. Now,

601
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: there was another major early California proponent of the psychological

602
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: benefits of acid trips, when Claire Booth Loose, the daughter

603
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: of the founder of Time in Life magazine, Henry Loose. Now,

604
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 2: she was a Broadway playwright, later the ambassador to Italy

605
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: appointed by Eisenhower. Then she becomes a Republican congresswoman for California,

606
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: and in nineteen fifty nine she started to take an

607
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: acid right around the same time as Carrie Grant, and

608
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: also under the supervision of doctor Hartman. Well, his colleague

609
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: actually is Sidney Cohen. Now, one of my favorite anecdotes

610
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 2: is how during her very first acid trips she received

611
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 2: a phone call and she answered the phone call, which

612
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: I would not recommend if you're on acid, and there

613
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: on the other end of the line was Richard Nixon.

614
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 3: Oh you're kidding.

615
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: Can you imagine your first time on acid? And suddenly

616
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: Richard Nixon is in your ear, disembodied Richard Nixon. And

617
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 2: by the way, Nixon desperately wanted something from her. He's like, no,

618
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: just look, I just need a little flavor from you.

619
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 2: Oh god, exactly. He Basically what Nixon was saying is

620
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: he wanted her support for his upcoming run for president

621
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: against jfk in nineteen sixty But Claire Lewis she couldn't

622
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,239
Speaker 2: handle a phone call in asses, so she told, you know,

623
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 2: mister VP, I'm gonna need to call you back.

624
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, first, busy right now, totally I'm all.

625
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: The sideways mister Nixon's, but firstually for her and Carry

626
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: Grant and all these other rich folks in LA who

627
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: were secretly taking acid for psychotherapy. In nineteen sixty two,

628
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 2: the FDA began to ban access to LSD twenty five,

629
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: which meant board certified physicians psychiatrists were no longer willing

630
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: to risk their medical licenses to offer their clients LSD,

631
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 2: which is why Kerry Grant secured his own stash and

632
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 2: started doing acid at home. And then in sixty three

633
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 2: there was the Harvard LSD scandal that involved Timothy Leary.

634
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: That's when he gets kicked out of Harvard because there

635
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 2: were ethical concerns.

636
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

637
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 2: And then at that same time, the CIA was also

638
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: experimenting with LSD as part of their super secret mk

639
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: Ultra program, and they also stopped working with LSD for

640
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 2: ethical concerns because they were trying to use it as

641
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: a mind controlled drug. Now, in sixty three, things changed

642
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 2: dramatically and the whole cultural combo about LSD starts to shift.

643
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: As a result, the press changes its tone. No longer

644
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 2: do you have carry Grant in Ladies Home Journal, So

645
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 2: no more funding articles, right, And then in sixty six

646
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 2: the FED banned LSD access all together as a medicine,

647
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 2: so now you can't do any research experimentation. So forth.

648
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 2: Two years later, in sixty eight, the fed's label LSD

649
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 2: as a Schedule one drug, which put it in line

650
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: with like freebase and crack cocaine and heroin, which is

651
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: where it has remained to this day. And that Elizabeth

652
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 2: is how LSD became an illegal street drug. But soon enough,

653
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 2: thanks to the hippies openly defying the government and so

654
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 2: they could just continue to drop acid or actually really

655
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: start dropping acid. This is when acid becomes the star

656
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: of a moral panic. Enter Ken Kesey, the writer of

657
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,719
Speaker 2: a novel One Flew Over the Cucko's Nest. You're familiar

658
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: with his work now. He'd been a subject in the

659
00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: CIA's secret program MK Ultra, and specifically he was part

660
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 2: of their legal experiments with LSD as a mine control drug.

661
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: So he had first hand experience with LSD and he

662
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: liked it. So after he gets out of the ultra

663
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:09,959
Speaker 2: secret CIA mind control program, and after he leaves the

664
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: mental hospital which was his novel was based on, and

665
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: then after he got rich and famous for the book

666
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: he wrote about it, Yeah, the One Flew Over the

667
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: Cucko's Nest, Keesy decides to help spread the gospel of LSD.

668
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 2: This is nineteen sixty four, so this is just before

669
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: LSD was banned and later labeled a Schedule one drug,

670
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 2: but it was still in the limbo period. Keesey wants

671
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 2: to go on this cross country acid pilgrimage to spread

672
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: the word from sea to shining Sea. His plan buy

673
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: a school bus loaded up with freaks like him and

674
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,920
Speaker 2: drive from his ranch in La Honda, California, across the

675
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: country to where the nineteen sixty four World's Fair in

676
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: New York City show up over the headful acid at

677
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 2: the World's Fairs will love that. So he buys a

678
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty nine Harvester school bus, like one of the

679
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 2: classic big yellow school buses. Then he asked Jack Kerouac's

680
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: inspiration for his care directer Dean Moriarty from his book

681
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 2: On the Road One, Neil Cassidy, to be the bus driver.

682
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 2: Neil Cassidy's like, I ain't got anything to do right now.

683
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: He eagerly accepts, and so they then name this bus

684
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 2: further and then they call the folks who load up

685
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 2: onto the bus the Mary Pranksters. The writer Tom Wolf

686
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: he wrote a whole book about this and bust in

687
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 2: the trip. It's called the Electric kool Aid Acid Test.

688
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: There's also, by the way, a documentary film that recorded

689
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: this whole epic road trip, and like ken Kesey brought

690
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: like his four year old son on this trip. It

691
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: is like a really irresponsible psychedelic trip. But you can

692
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 2: see Neil Cassidy right the spirit of the Beat generation,

693
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 2: all hopped up on amphetamines because that's what the Beats preferred,

694
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 2: just like the jazz musicians who they revered like they're

695
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 2: popping uppers and playing all night. So that's what he's doing.

696
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 2: He's popping uppers and driving the bus, and then he's

697
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: talking also that poetic beat talk the whole time. Meanwhile,

698
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: the spirit of the hippies is being born right behind

699
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: him on the bus because you can literally see one

700
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 2: subculture pass the torch to the new subculture. It's wild.

701
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: So at one point, Neil Cassidy he drives the bus

702
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 2: off the road in Arizona, and this leads to like, oh,

703
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 2: it's just while we're stuck here, have an impromptu acid party.

704
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: So ken Kesey doses everyone with LSD, some people not

705
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: knowing it, and together they all decide, let's paint the

706
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 2: school bus. And that's where we get the look and

707
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 2: the aesthetic of the psychedelic hippie thing like that bus

708
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 2: trip literally launches the look and the spirit of the

709
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: psychedelic Sextys, exactly everything you would associate with like Hate

710
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 2: Ashbury nineteen sixty seven. It's on the side of that bus.

711
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 2: And then came the first early ken Kesey inspired acid tests.

712
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:38,479
Speaker 2: When they get back to the California in sixty five.

713
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: That's where you'd have like a whole party drop acid

714
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 2: and a band would play and such as one of

715
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 2: your favorite bands you mentioned them earlier, the Grateful Dead.

716
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: They spontaneously would create a live soundtrack for these so

717
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 2: called acid tests. But you know, soon after he starts

718
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 2: this at ken Kesey has to skip out out of

719
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 2: the country. Yeah, and he misses out on the whole

720
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,479
Speaker 2: summer of love. He doesn't see any of it actually

721
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,719
Speaker 2: occur because he had to flee the country and hop

722
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: the border over to Mexico in nineteen sixty six, one

723
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: step ahead of the law after they were after him

724
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: for marijuana charges. Anyway, back to the Grateful Dead and

725
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 2: their role in the acid test in sixty five, there

726
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 2: was this first house party acid test, right, so the

727
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 2: band not yet known as the Grateful Dead, they play

728
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 2: their that first acid test. One week later they changed

729
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,399
Speaker 2: their band name to The Grateful Dead.

730
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 3: See it was an inspiration, I.

731
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 2: Have to assume as a result of the LSD, probably right.

732
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: And so then they played the second acid test. It

733
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 2: was in santase in the backyard of what would become

734
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 2: the Silicon Valley. So the Grateful Dead were so into

735
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 2: this new acid scene that they start playing acid test

736
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: house parties for the next full year. Yeah, a whole

737
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: year of acid and just playing soundtrack in parties. This

738
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 2: creates the popularity, like the underground cool of this scene

739
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 2: that then it kind of creates and promotes this new

740
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: spirit in the Bay Area specifically. Then it takes hold

741
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: in the hate Ashbury where they have a house, and

742
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: then that bursts forth in the Summer of sixty seven

743
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 2: as aka the Summer of Love in San Francisco, and

744
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 2: that's when the rest of the world is introduced to

745
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: hippies and psychedelia. Now is a both know nothing lasts forever,

746
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 2: and so that fun, buoyant, experimental spirit of the Summer

747
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 2: of Love, it doesn't last. It eventually gives way to

748
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 2: back to the land communes, which kind of often turn

749
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: and devolve into cults and some other weird behavior, and

750
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 2: then this whole spirit it gets swept under the cocaine

751
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: fuel disco scene of the nineteen seventies. So it really

752
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 2: only lasted for three years, maybe four, depending on how

753
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,759
Speaker 2: you want to count them. But there you go. That's

754
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: how LSD became illegal. Take a little break, drink some

755
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: orange juice to keep this trip going, man, And so

756
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: we listen to some more consumeris ads. Brother. When we

757
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 2: get back, we'll dip back into some more epic acid

758
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: trips and as I as I told you, these will

759
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 2: be from celebrities like Keith Richards and John Lennon. They

760
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: took an acid road trip together.

761
00:36:51,600 --> 00:37:09,320
Speaker 4: What yes back in two and two?

762
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,959
Speaker 2: Elizabeth, are you enjoying the psychedelic kick very much?

763
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 3: I'm enjoying it very much.

764
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:22,760
Speaker 2: I figure it's a Bay Area story largely. It's also

765
00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 2: just something that I'm not sure how familiar you are

766
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: with all this stuff. I know you know about the

767
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 2: Grateful Dead. You read the book by the songwriter, so

768
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 2: you're very familiar with the LSD culture. Yeah, But like

769
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 2: I just wasten really fascinated by all this in my

770
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: research was fascinating, especially the Albert Hoffman stuff. I didn't

771
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 2: know any of that, nor did I. So Okay, so

772
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: far I've tried to convey to you the fullness of

773
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 2: the appeal and the dangers of acid.

774
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

775
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: Now are you ready to hear a wild one about

776
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 2: the medical possibilities of LSD?

777
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 3: I am.

778
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 2: There's this woman who once accidentally took five hundred and

779
00:37:53,600 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 2: fifty times the normal amount one would take of acid.

780
00:37:57,080 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 2: It sent her into one hillacious trip. Yeah, and when

781
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 2: she came out of it, her lime disease was cured.

782
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 2: I got true story. The woman apparently had contracted lime

783
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 2: disease in her twenties, and then the disease gave her

784
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 2: this like debilitating pain in her like legs, her feet,

785
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: her ankles. Yeah, she lives with this pain for decades

786
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 2: until one day in her forties. And this was in

787
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen. Okay, she takes a bunch of acid with

788
00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 2: some friends, like, way, way too much.

789
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 3: Took that much.

790
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 2: No, the guy who gave them the acid, it was

791
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: liquid acid. He misread the dosage for how much pure

792
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 2: crystalline LSD twenty five, So instead of a reasonable recreational dosage,

793
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: she took fifty five milligrams, So five hundred and fifty

794
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: times the normal dose of acid.

795
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

796
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 2: Also, by the way, she didn't expect it to be acid.

797
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: She thought the crystal she was taking was cocye en.

798
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 3: Wait wait, okay, stop.

799
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: So she thought she was taking like the coke and

800
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: Ted turned to tink. Sure, yeah, I guess. So, I

801
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: don't know how some people like they put it in

802
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: like they can't snort it anymore, so they put it

803
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 2: in juice or the Yeah. Instead, it's don't judge.

804
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm judging over here.

805
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 2: So what happens when.

806
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 3: I mean, I got the robe in the gavel?

807
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: I noticed that, and you got the wig on. Where

808
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: are you from?

809
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 3: It's England?

810
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:13,959
Speaker 2: So what happens when she takes five hundred and fifty

811
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 2: times the normal dose of acid? She explodes, No, the

812
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:19,720
Speaker 2: answer is nothing, good, nothing.

813
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 3: But it had been like like an MRI or a

814
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 3: CT scan going at this oh at the.

815
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,720
Speaker 2: Same time, Well, the medicine does get involved.

816
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:28,919
Speaker 3: Scan would be cool.

817
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: That'd be had to watch it as it's happening, see

818
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: the holes in her brain form or exactly so. At first, though,

819
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 2: she she blacks out that's her body in response, and

820
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 2: then when she comes to, she just starts to puke

821
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 2: her brains out, like because.

822
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 3: She redlined every system in her body.

823
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 2: Completely bodies like reverse course eject eject. And then this,

824
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: by the way, her puking or her like long pukethon,

825
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: it lasts for the next twelve hours, for twelve hours,

826
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 2: head full of acid. She just keeps puking. God this

827
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 2: and then during the next twelve hours after that, still

828
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 2: deep in her pukefon, puking up what little you know water,

829
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: she has her BiH. Yeah, she finds that this hillacious

830
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,240
Speaker 2: part had kind of passed and now she was quote

831
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 2: pleasantly high apparently, and other than of course the constant vomiting,

832
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 2: so you know, there's that pagombini od acid. I just

833
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: can't imagine how that would be horrendous. But anyway, ten

834
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: hours after this, she's finally able to utter more than

835
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 2: a few random words of gibberish. Soon enough, she's able

836
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: to listen to her roommate and her eyes stop lolling

837
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 2: around in her head, and then she starts being able

838
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: to spit out like more than just a few random words,

839
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 2: but she's actually able to like hold a conversation until

840
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: Finally she's able to come down, and then she's able

841
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 2: to fall asleep.

842
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 3: Okay.

843
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 2: The next day she wakes up and she discovers shocker

844
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: of all shockers, her debilitating pain from the lime disease gone.

845
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 3: Wow, her feet.

846
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: And ankles no longer ached. Then she found that after

847
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 2: three days the pain it did come back, but she

848
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 2: could treat it by popping a low dose of morphine

849
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,720
Speaker 2: and a microdose of LSD.

850
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 3: Sure, the morphine's going to help the pain.

851
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,479
Speaker 2: She'd been taking a high dose of morphine for her pain.

852
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: She just ratcheted down to a low dose and then

853
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 2: the micro dose of LSD. So she keeps this regimen

854
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 2: up for two years, and then she weans herself off

855
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: of the morphine and then just stops microdosing LSD. By

856
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: January of twenty eighteen, totally pain free. The LSD had

857
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 2: cured her lyme disease. Wow, that's said. There was a

858
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: bit of a trade off, because she did experience an

859
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 2: increase in her anxiety, her depression, and her desire for

860
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: social withdrawal. So there is that. So now she can dance,

861
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 2: but she doesn't want to dance near anybody she's got.

862
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: There's always something, So it wasn't a perfect cure.

863
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 3: All what I seemed to have some suffering.

864
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 2: Aren't we all? That's what the Buddhists tell me exactly. Now,

865
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 2: to be clear, I'm not saying anyone should take mega

866
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 2: looads of acid to try to cure their product pain.

867
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 2: But I am saying is that, like Albert Hoffman believed,

868
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: LSD twenty five is a strange wonder drug and quite

869
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: possibly has many therapeutic uses for human being. Yeah, we

870
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 2: just don't know what they are because people aren't allowed

871
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 2: to experiment with acid.

872
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 3: That's the worst part of that.

873
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 2: Now, unlike many other street drugs, there's never been a

874
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 2: documented fatal overdose of LSD. Okay, this woman got the

875
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 2: closest that we are ever. Yeah, but she lives because

876
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: apparently scientists they theorized it's possible. They think that fourteen

877
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 2: thousand micrograms is the likely threshold for a fatal overdose

878
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: of acid, which, if you're keeping scores, about two and

879
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 2: a half times what this woman took. The lime disease sufferer,

880
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 2: she was right like almost redlining fatal dosage.

881
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 3: It feels like a total CSI episode. Yeah, that someone

882
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 3: gets a fatal dose of Ells.

883
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 2: He watched CSI I used to have, like you didn't

884
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 2: even go to like house or like some of the

885
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: funner medical It's like.

886
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: A kind of yeah, it's like a silly, campy thing.

887
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: I mostly know it from like the memes and like

888
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 2: my mother telling me she was watching it. So I'm sorry,

889
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: I don't really know CSI. I do know the beginning

890
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 2: where he puts the sunglasses on.

891
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 3: That's the Miami one I never watched.

892
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 2: Oh that's the Miami one. That's not the og No.

893
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 3: That's a vague. Oh, actually the Vegas.

894
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 2: I take it all back. You were like deep in

895
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: the cut.

896
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, basically all the time.

897
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: Now I mentioned earlier, and we haven't quite gotten it

898
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: to this yet, but we can't skip over it. Where

899
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: does Keith Richards fit into all this acid top?

900
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 3: That is the question on my mind right.

901
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,280
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for keeping me on track, Elizabeth, no problem.

902
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: Like I said up top, one time, John Lennon and

903
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: Keith Richards took an acid road trip together. We know

904
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: this because Keith Richards wrote about it in his twenty

905
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 2: ten memoir Life Now. This happened in neither nineteen sixty

906
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: seven or nineteen sixty eight. Keith Richard doesn't exactly remember

907
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 2: what year it was. I mean, can you blame the man,

908
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 2: but we do know he was deep in a psychedelic space.

909
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: So it was in that period. Now, Elizabeth, it may

910
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: surprise you to hear that John Lennon and Keith Richards

911
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 2: would do acid together. Since they weren't exactly known to

912
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 2: be big fans of each other. He kind of actually

913
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: had like, you know, like a falling out like a

914
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 2: long time. But at least they would snipe each other

915
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 2: in the press. Yeah, right, But that all comes later,

916
00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: because in sixty seven or sixty eight they were still friendly,

917
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 2: and so they had with them a quart of acid

918
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 2: liquid and they decided to take a road trip together.

919
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,479
Speaker 2: They could have so much coffee. So by then John

920
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: Lennon had already been dosed by his dentist and he

921
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 2: had endured the bummer bad trip at Peter Fonda, so

922
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: you know, he knew what he was in for, and

923
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: surprisingly he was still willing to get sideways with Keith Richards. Now,

924
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 2: in his memoir, Keith says that their epic acid road

925
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 2: trip was an episode of such extremes that can barely

926
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:31,960
Speaker 2: piece together a fragment, right, he doesn't remember any of it.

927
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: The story goes, though, he actually had to go and

928
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: like talk to someone else who was on the trip

929
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 2: with them, be like what do you remember, so he

930
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 2: could get the stick piece together his fragmented memory. So

931
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 2: the story goes, the two weren't together in London at

932
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 2: a nightclub in Hyde Park when the idea came to them.

933
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: It was like in the small hours of the morning,

934
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 2: like two three in the morning, when the idea was like,

935
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 2: we should take a bunch of acid and drive across England,

936
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 2: and like that's when that sounds like a good idea

937
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 2: in the small hours of the morning right now. So

938
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 2: there's Purple out just before dawn when their adventure begins,

939
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,360
Speaker 2: there's John Lennon and Keith Richards, and with them is

940
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: also Carrie Anne Mohler. I don't expect you to know

941
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: who that is, no, but if you're wondering, she was

942
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: the wife of Mick Jagger's younger brother, Chris Jagger.

943
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,319
Speaker 3: Chris Jagger, I don't know.

944
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 2: Why is Chris Jagger's wife going on a road trip

945
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 2: with Keith Richards and John Lennon. I just kind of

946
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: freaky like that. I don't know. I won't judge. That

947
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: would be my turn not to judge. So they also

948
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: had Keith Richards driver his chauffeur with them. Thank god

949
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 2: they had a show. So because Keith Richards remembers it,

950
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 2: it was one of those cases of John wanting to

951
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: do more drugs than me.

952
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 3: Wow.

953
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 2: Let me tell you right, that's serious that if you

954
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 2: want to outpace Keith Richards on drugs like danger danger

955
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: ye flash the lights yea. So also, by the way,

956
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 2: I should point out, they had quite a drug stash

957
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 2: with them, as Keith tells it, they had a.

958
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 6: Huge bag of weed, a lump of hash and acid

959
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 6: court so they get tuned up on the acid.

960
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 2: They're smoking the hash and the weed and they're like,

961
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 2: let's hit the road. Their first place they decided to

962
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: go is John Lennon's place, and at this time he

963
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,359
Speaker 2: was married with his with his wife Cynthia, and they

964
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: lived in a rural country manor. So, as Keith tells it,

965
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: they popped out to Lennon's country home and said hi

966
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 2: to Cynthia. So perhaps it was to get permission for

967
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 2: John Lennon to disappear for like three days or something.

968
00:46:26,200 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess she gave him the green

969
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: flag to go because boom, now they're off on their

970
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:30,719
Speaker 2: merry way.

971
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

972
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: Heads full of acid, they tell the shrif for drive

973
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: them to their next proposed stop on their magical mystery tour,

974
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,960
Speaker 2: which was Carrie Anne Muller's mother's place.

975
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 3: Why, like the extended family tree on this is amazing, right, there's.

976
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:47,919
Speaker 2: Like, hey, we should go see my mom. She's always

977
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 2: wanted to meet you, John, So they go. I guess

978
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 2: it made sense at the time. Who knows her mother

979
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,840
Speaker 2: lived at the English seaside in this little town, and

980
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: they planned to show up unannounced, twisted on acid and

981
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: arrived just in time for breakfast. What a treat that

982
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 2: would be, right, Or, as Keith tells it, what a

983
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 2: nice visit for her mother.

984
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 6: A couple of flying acid heads who've been up for

985
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 6: a couple of nights.

986
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: We got there about dawn. Yeah. So, however, Keith means

987
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 2: their mother's little seaside town because before they show up

988
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,479
Speaker 2: at her mother's house, they decide to stop at a cafe. Why.

989
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 2: Once again, I have no idea. Maybe they wanted to

990
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 2: coffee to kind of sober up. Maybe they just wanted

991
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 2: some bangers in mash who knows no idea. Maybe I

992
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 2: wanted English breakfast, you know, put some beans on my plate. No,

993
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 2: so they decide, you know, but well, rather than speculate, Elizabeth,

994
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,760
Speaker 2: let's just dive into this weird little moment of rock history.

995
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: I'd like you, if you'd be so kind to Elizabeth, I'd

996
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 2: like you to close your eyes. I'd like you to

997
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 2: picture it. It's early in the morning. I'm talking super early,

998
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 2: which is unfortunate because you're up. Why because you're a

999
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 2: cafe cat, you know, like one of those cats that

1000
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: lives in a cafe and the type of gets to

1001
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 2: wander around because customers find you charming. Plus you're well behaved.

1002
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: You don't hop up on the customer's tables, you don't

1003
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 2: break glasses or crockery. Like I said, you're well behaved.

1004
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 2: And at the moment, you're working on a saucer of milk.

1005
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 2: As you lap it up, purring to yourself. Happy in

1006
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,000
Speaker 2: your early morning moment, you sense a disturbance in the force.

1007
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 2: You look up from your saucerful of milk and you

1008
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 2: see the lone waitress for this early morning shift of

1009
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: regulars staring out the window. She has stopped flat footed

1010
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: and is gawking at something outside the window. One of

1011
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 2: the early morning regulars calls over to her and asks

1012
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 2: for a fresh cup of tea. He taps a tea

1013
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 2: spoon against his cup that brings the waitress round. She

1014
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: walks over to his table, teapot in hand. Her shoes

1015
00:48:45,120 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 2: squeaks softly against the freshly cleaned floor. She apologizes for

1016
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: the awkward pause at the window and pours a fresh

1017
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:55,000
Speaker 2: cup of It's English breakfast. It's always English breakfast. The

1018
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 2: din of conversation is a pleasant backdrop. As you return

1019
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 2: to your attention of the saucer of milk, you laugh

1020
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,919
Speaker 2: up the heavy cream deliciousness, enjoying each tongue ful. That's

1021
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 2: when you hear it. The bell over the cafe door chimes.

1022
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 2: The door sweeps open, and standing there in the doorway

1023
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 2: are three young folks who immediately stop dead in their tracks.

1024
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 2: They stand there in the open doorway. The moment seems

1025
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: to last interminably long. You watch them, and all of

1026
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: the morning regulars in the cafe stop what they're doing

1027
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,760
Speaker 2: to turn and watch them. The cafe is now silent,

1028
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,959
Speaker 2: until without any reason that you can detect the three

1029
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 2: young folks who are grinning like idiots and look like

1030
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: they've been up all night. They all burst out laughing.

1031
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 2: They practically fall over themselves with a wicked case of

1032
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 2: the giggles. They find something who knows terribly funny, but

1033
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 2: no one in this cafe shares the joke. After the

1034
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 2: three young folks stop laughing, they step through the open doorway,

1035
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,959
Speaker 2: first the young woman with the crazy messed up hair,

1036
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 2: then the young men. The ganglier of the two young

1037
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: men steps through first. He's followed by the second young man,

1038
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,480
Speaker 2: the one wearing glasses that look like he borrowed them

1039
00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 2: from his grandmother. The three laughing idiots take a seat

1040
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: at the counter. They jostle each other as they get situated,

1041
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,960
Speaker 2: some more titters of laughter. The one wearing his grandma's

1042
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 2: glasses pipes up, boy, can we get a spot of service?

1043
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 6: Love?

1044
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: That sends the three idiots into another laughing fit. The

1045
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: waitress rolls her eyes and walks over to them. She

1046
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: brings with her the pot of English breakfast teeth. She

1047
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 2: greets them with no love in her voice. Something funny

1048
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,319
Speaker 2: to you lot. The ganglier one with the shaggy hair,

1049
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 2: he pipes up, you know you don't need to be

1050
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 2: on about us. We just want an English breakfast. Mom.

1051
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 2: The waitress screws up her face into a look of

1052
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 2: serious disdain. She didn't wake up this early to be

1053
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 2: talked to like this by a bunch of young, shaggy

1054
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 2: haired mop tops. And that's when it hits her. She

1055
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 2: knows the one who looks like he's wearing his grandma's glasses.

1056
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 2: It's that mouthy beetle John what's his name? He sees it,

1057
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 2: He sees the moment of her recognition, and you see

1058
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: the laughter drain out of him. His face changes in

1059
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 2: an instant. The waitress says, you're that loud mouth lad

1060
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 2: from the Beetles. That you you, John Lennon. He breaks

1061
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 2: eye contact with the waitress. You don't know the term,

1062
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 2: but if you did know the term, you'd say she's

1063
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: fully harshed his mellow. Or perhaps you might say she's

1064
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:12,720
Speaker 2: bummed out as high. Either one would work. She's not done,

1065
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 2: She says, yeah, that's you, all right. You're that pissy

1066
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 2: little wink on the radio. The other young felle speaks

1067
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:23,360
Speaker 2: up to as h he recognized me, love. The waitress

1068
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 2: gives him the stink eye and says flatly, now, who

1069
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 2: are you? That brings him right down to earth, just

1070
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 2: the same as the one in his grandma's glasses. The

1071
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 2: young woman doesn't say anything until finally she asks, is

1072
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 2: that English breakfast tea? Before the waitress can answer, the

1073
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: one she recognized, the beatle John Lennon stands up and announceays,

1074
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 2: come on, Keith, come on, carry Anne. I can't be

1075
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 2: anymore this place gives me the no goodies. The ganglier

1076
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 2: one agrees, yeah, mate, let's piss off, And just like

1077
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 2: that they all stand up. The morning regulars will watch

1078
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 2: them go. The bell over the door chimes once more,

1079
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 2: and the door closes behind them, and then someone says,

1080
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 2: what a bunch of daft, And now it's the regular's

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Speaker 2: turn to all laugh at them. So there you go, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: the no goodies.

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Speaker 3: I've got the new goodies.

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00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: So there you go, Elizabeth. That's when Keith, John Lennon

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Speaker 2: and Mick Jagger's little brother's wife, Carrie Anne all realized

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Speaker 2: precisely just how high they were. According to Keith Richards,

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Speaker 2: when they walked into that cafe, not only was it

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Speaker 2: like throwing cold water in their faces. You have to

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Speaker 2: keep in mind This is at the tail end of Beatlemania,

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Speaker 2: and so John Lennon never knew when people would lose

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00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 2: their minds in his proximity. So can you only imagine

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00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 2: how wild it must have been to be a beetle

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Speaker 2: and be on acid in public.

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00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 3: Oh if people just in your face, making faces and screaming.

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00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 2: Wanting things from you, having all these opinions about you,

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00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 2: trying to grab stuff from you. Yeah. So at this point,

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Speaker 2: not only did three of them on their magical Mystery

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Speaker 2: Tour acid road trip realize how twisted they were, they

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Speaker 2: all realized what a bad idea it would be to

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Speaker 2: go to Carrie Anne's mother's house in the state they were. Yeah,

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00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 2: So instead they popped over to a beach. I'm there.

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Speaker 2: They enjoyed the rest of their acid trip on their own, or,

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00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 2: as Keith tells it, that palm trees.

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Speaker 6: So it looks as if we like sat on the

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Speaker 6: Tolkay palm lined esplanade for a great many hours, engrossed

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Speaker 6: in a little world of.

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Speaker 2: I own smart right. Non Surprisingly, Keith Richards is an

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00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 2: unreliable narrator for his own life because he doesn't remember

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00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 2: what else they did for the next day or so.

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Speaker 2: After they laid about on the esplanade at that shore.

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00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 2: But he sums it up like.

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Speaker 6: This, there follow therefore some missing hours because we didn't

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Speaker 6: get back to John's house until after dark.

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Speaker 2: Now I am happy to report though, as Keith finished

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00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,359
Speaker 2: up his tale of their acid road trip, we got

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Speaker 2: home and so everyone was happy.

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00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that is the measure of success.

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00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 2: Did you make it home? And did you have everyone

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00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 2: with you?

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Speaker 3: And were they happy?

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00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? O good point and so. And also their chauffeur

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00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 2: was there, I think, kind of like as their trip babysitter.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so helpful.

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00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 2: We can also hear the story, but we never do

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00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 2: hear this story from John Lennon's perspective because he never

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00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,959
Speaker 2: spoke of it publicly, because why would he. But John

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00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 2: Lennon also had even less of a memory of the

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Speaker 2: chain of events of this road trip than Keith Richards did,

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00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 2: because I remember he was doing more drugs, right. So,

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Speaker 2: as Keith tells it.

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00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:11,239
Speaker 6: Johnny and I about this sometimes he is later in

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00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 6: New York and he would ask what happened on that trip?

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00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 2: So there you go. That concludes our little acid field

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00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 2: trip through the world of LSD twenty five. What's a

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00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 2: ridiculous takeaway here, Elizabeth, I wanted.

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00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 3: To keep away from the no goodies, right.

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00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 2: I think that's just true in all things acid or

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00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 2: no acid.

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00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, what about you? Oh wow?

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00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 2: Thank you for asking. As somebody who's done his fair

1141
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:35,479
Speaker 2: bit of acid when I was a much younger man,

1142
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 2: I will say, don't feel any compulsion to do it

1143
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: because you know, take in mind all these bad trips

1144
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,359
Speaker 2: these people have, but also don't be afraid of it.

1145
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 2: But it is what you bring to it, So you know,

1146
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 2: try to be like Keith Richards, unafraid, fancy and open

1147
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: minded and foxy. Yes they do. So you're the mood

1148
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 2: for a talkback to race away all of this acid.

1149
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,439
Speaker 3: Hangover ice most certainly, am day.

1150
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 2: Can you favors the one? Oh god?

1151
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 7: I hi, Elizabeth and Jaren. I just heard my talkback

1152
00:55:20,600 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 7: about the cours Bear smuggling from California to Chicago. Just

1153
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:28,160
Speaker 7: wanted to clarify that was on a Navy P three aircraft,

1154
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 7: So the Navy was helping us smuggle Couris beer from

1155
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 7: California to Chicago.

1156
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 3: Thanks.

1157
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 7: I think that's even more ridiculous.

1158
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 2: Hell, yes, smoking the bandit in the skies on Navy

1159
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 2: aircraft way more ridiculous. Good dude, I love our dudes.

1160
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 2: Thank you guys for these are the talkbacks kill us.

1161
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: We were really very much looking forward to listening to

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00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 2: what you guys have out there, and this that's an

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00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 2: excellent one. Thank you, brother huh. As always, you can

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Speaker 2: find us online Ridiculous Crime on social media, and we

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00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 2: now have our account, Ridiculous Crime Pod on YouTube. Go

1166
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:06,719
Speaker 2: check it out, leave a comment like subscribe, Tell your mama,

1167
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,720
Speaker 2: your daddy, you greasy, greasy granny. We also have our website,

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous Crime dot com. And uh, you know, Elizabeth, I

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00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 2: found out recently T Shirt Makers of America have nominated

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Speaker 2: on our website for the website of the Year for

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00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 2: T shirt makers.

1172
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 3: You're kidding, I know.

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00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 2: And because we have merch on there, it was a

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00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 2: really big deal. I was like, wait, we're a T

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00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: shirt maker. We weren't nominated for T shirt making. We

1176
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:29,960
Speaker 2: were dominated just.

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Speaker 3: For the websita. I'll take what I can get.

1178
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 2: But anyway, if you like our if we want some merch,

1179
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 2: go check out the website. We got a bunch of stuff.

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00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 2: That's where you get a sloth T shirt. Now, obviously,

1181
00:56:39,600 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 2: as I said, We love your talkback, so go the

1182
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 2: iHeart app, download it, record a talkback, reach out to us,

1183
00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,279
Speaker 2: and maybe you'll get to hear your voice on here.

1184
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: We'd love to hear it. And what else. Oh yeah,

1185
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 2: it's Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com. We'd love your

1186
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 2: emails also, so please go TYPEE, type type and then

1187
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,399
Speaker 2: people pop up and send it right off to us,

1188
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 2: and the interns will hand us over the emails and

1189
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: be like, oh laugh. Maybe we'll read it on the air.

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00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe.

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00:57:03,239 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 2: So that's all I got for you, but uh, we'll

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00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 2: be back next time and we will catch you next crime.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dutton and Zaren Burnett,

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00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 2: produced and edited by the Groovous Dude on This Psychedelic

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00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 2: Bus maybe Ave Coustin, and starring annals Rucker as Judith.

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00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 2: Research is by Keith Richards ghostwriter Marissa Brown. Our theme

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Speaker 2: song is by our Resident Grateful Dead cover band The

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00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 2: Hopeful Alive Thomas Lee and Travis Dutton. The host wardrobe

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Speaker 2: provided by Bontany five hundred. Guest hair and makeup by

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Speaker 2: Sparkleshock and mister Andre. Executive producers are Neil Cassidy's beat

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Speaker 2: poetry beat boxer Ben Bolin, and Ken Kesey's backup bus

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Speaker 2: driver Noel Brown.

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Speaker 3: Red Why Say It one more Time? Geek Yes Crime.

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