WEBVTT - Bear Camp 2020 with Gary Newcomb and James Lawrence 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.240 You're listening to the Sportsman's Nation podcast network, brought to 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:07.600 you by Interstate Batteries. Whether you need a battery for 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:10.640 your truck, or a battery for your trail camera, or 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:14.280 a specialized battery for your range finder, or a crazy 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.880 toy that you bought for your kids, Interstate Batteries has 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:22.080 got you covered. Stop into a local Interstate Battery retail store, 0:00:22.480 --> 0:00:25.479 talk with a specialist, get the battery that you need, 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:31.400 and go on about your day. Interstate Batteries outrageously dependable. 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:38.199 My name is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host of the 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:42.600 Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be your host into 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:46.040 the world of hunting the icon of the North American 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:51.639 wilderness Prepare. We'll talk about tactics, gear, conservation, but will 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:54.639 also bring you into some of the wildest country off 0:00:54.680 --> 0:01:04.840 the planet chasing bare. This week we're at bear Camp 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:10.880 in Arkansas and we have to Bear Hunting Magazine legends 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:14.440 on the podcast. Well three, make it three. We've got 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:17.800 my dad, Gary newcom you hear me talk about him 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:23.200 a lot. We've got James Lawrence, my Arkansas mountain man buddy. 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:26.800 And then the third legend is Kolby moorehead himself, the 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:31.520 Bear Tech. We're sitting around literally a camp fire, and 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:35.080 we're at our Arkansas bear camp. 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You're going 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:41.839 to enjoy this podcast. Gary Nukam, James Lawrence Kolby, and myself. Man, 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:46.280 it's starting to feel like fall, would y'all say? Yeah, 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:52.480 pretty incredible weather for the first weekend of Arkansas bear season. 0:04:54.240 --> 0:05:02.080 We're we're sitting around a open fire our outside. We're 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:08.599 in the Washingtaw Mountains out here in Arkansas, and uh, Kobe, 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:12.120 this is a pretty legit set up here. Our guests 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:17.640 super legit because I know he doesn't know it now 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:21.320 he knows how much his name comes up on the podcast. Yeah, 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:27.920 we've got some legendary bear hunting magazine podcasts guests on 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:32.239 the podcast. Today. I've got I've got my dad, Gary 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:39.160 newcom I can't hardly do a It seems that your 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:42.000 name comes up a lot. You know it, don't you? Well? 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:47.279 I hear it, um, I hear you lying to the public. Yea. 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:49.720 But but you know what what I think when I 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:56.440 hear that is everybody talks about you know, when I 0:05:56.480 --> 0:05:59.160 was in business, people would come in and go, my 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:02.560 mama told me this, my daddy told me this. I 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:06.560 mean that stuff counts. So you know, if you're if 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:10.640 you're a parent, stuff you're saying will resonate for the 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.400 rest of your kid's life. There'll be eighty years old 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:17.839 and they'll go, my daddy told me something. So I 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:20.359 don't think of it as me. I think that's the 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:24.800 way we were made. We're made to think our parents 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:29.320 no more than they really do. Well, let me ask you, 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:34.840 did you or were you like? No, I'm not like 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:39.000 most paryers. I mean I was thinking genius, okay, but no, 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:42.120 you know, I'm like, I'm just kidding. But no. Anytime 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:46.039 I do a podcast, especially outside of just our bear 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:50.279 hunting podcast, your your your name constantly comes up. Man, 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:54.120 the wind is just picked up. Yep, it'll be all right, 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:56.880 Will it be all right? We'll figure it out. Well, 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:01.159 if you hear some wind noise, it's because we're that's yeah, 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:05.160 it's that fall coming. Yeah. Well. Hey. The other name 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.240 that comes up a lot is James Lawrence, how are 0:07:08.279 --> 0:07:11.600 you doing, James? Been good and good? You always doing 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:17.760 Bear season? Yeah? Man, James, when uh now, you don't 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:21.320 listen to the podcast so, or at least I don't 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:24.840 think you do. So I don't think you realize how 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:28.440 often I end up talking about you. Um. You know 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:31.120 your name has been mentioned on the Meat Eater podcast, 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:35.600 which is the biggest podcast in the land, and your 0:07:35.720 --> 0:07:38.720 name was mentioned, not directly, but I talked about my dad. 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:44.400 But no, so uh no. Everybody that follows what we 0:07:44.480 --> 0:07:47.440 do knows these two guys right here, and of course 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:50.560 they know Colby moorehead the bar Tech, which Kobe is 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.400 going to be the one of the stars of this conversation. 0:07:54.160 --> 0:07:58.480 Don't tell him why. But now, James, how long have 0:07:58.600 --> 0:08:01.480 we been bear hunting and having kind of a bear 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:05.080 camp several years now? I don't I don't know when 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:08.520 we started really, yeah. Um look forward to it every year. 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.480 There's time of year especially yeah for bear season. Deer 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:15.280 season used to be my Now it's bear I love 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:19.400 to the way we hunt, the way we do bait. Yeah, 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:25.640 and get kids involved in particular. Um, that means a 0:08:25.640 --> 0:08:28.280 lot to me. I enjoy it them as much as 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:35.000 I do hunt myself, I'd rather them, Yeah, but I mean, 0:08:35.000 --> 0:08:39.240 I still enjoy it. But it's just seeing what we 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.480 can come up with, the bating that we do, how 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:48.320 we do it. You grew up here, so you uh so, 0:08:48.360 --> 0:08:51.000 we're not gonna say exactly where we're at, but we're 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:54.920 in just a little rural community in the wash Dolls 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.840 and James, you've you've been here your whole life. You're 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:07.240 seventy two, seventy two. When's your birthday? March seventeenth? When's 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:16.360 your birthday? Just a little bit older? Yeah, it's you know, 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.440 you're smarter than me. You were about to say that 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:24.080 that's six months. Six months made a lot of you 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:28.880 learned a lot of stuff I missed out. Uh Now, James, 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.360 I think we I think the first time we baited 0:09:31.440 --> 0:09:34.640 bears back in here was in two thousand ten. I 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.520 think it's two thousand ten. And you let me and 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:42.920 Lee Walt hunt your piece of property over there, and 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:45.560 Dad was helping us bait, and we came in and 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.720 Lee ended up killing the bear over there, and we 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:51.080 came back and you hadn't even told us that you 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:54.280 were bear hunting. You didn't you you know, you just 0:09:54.360 --> 0:09:56.760 let us bear hunt over there. And I didn't know 0:09:56.840 --> 0:10:00.079 you that well at that time. Um, And now the 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:01.920 way I knew you is because I wrote an article 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:06.560 about you. Uh that was in Arkansas Sportsman. And I 0:10:06.640 --> 0:10:09.000 was gonna write an article about you for North American 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:16.520 Whitetail and then you nearly died. I had permission from 0:10:16.559 --> 0:10:22.600 from shoot. His name is escaped me, a longtime editor 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:27.640 of North American Whitetail. Um, what's his name, Collie. I'm 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.920 embarrassing myself anyway, like I had, And I was gonna 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.600 write an article about your shed hornbuck of nineteen sixty four, 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:37.800 finding these shed horns and finally killing this deer when 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.680 you were just a boy. While your dad and uncles 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:44.559 were off hunting without you, you stayed home and still 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:48.559 hunted this deer and killed it. And uh and then 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.920 you got real sick and uh in that kind of 0:10:52.840 --> 0:10:54.920 we just we just weren't able to do the article. 0:10:55.160 --> 0:10:59.400 But you're back. Can I say something about James. You know, 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:03.120 I'm a self taught hunter. No one in my family 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:07.480 deer hunted, so you know, I'd never professed to be 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.560 a great deer hunter. But I love people who knew 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:14.880 how to deer hunt. I started hearing James Lawrence, Daniel 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:20.280 Lance legendary figures and I always wanted to meet James, 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:22.640 but I thought, man, this guy, I mean, this is 0:11:22.679 --> 0:11:26.360 like meeting Daniel Boone. It will never happen. So Clay 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:28.319 came to me one day and he said, Dad, I 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.520 I want to meet I want to meet the best 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:38.480 hunter in Polk County. And I knew that James would 0:11:38.480 --> 0:11:41.320 be on the target list, but I had no way 0:11:41.320 --> 0:11:44.920 of connecting Clay to James. So we went through Joe 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.760 Joe Lyles. I said, Joe is a real good hunter, 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.360 and Joe is raised here and he will put you 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.600 on the guy. Well, what I was trying to do, 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:55.920 and this is a different article, as I was trying 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:59.160 to write an article about mountain hunters, you know, just 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:02.720 hunting that National Forest, just hunting in the mountains. And 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:05.880 that's when I called Joe Lyles and and uh and 0:12:05.960 --> 0:12:08.719 Joe Lyles is a good hunter, but he told me 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:12.800 about you, and so uh yeah, I just went and 0:12:12.880 --> 0:12:16.840 knocked on James door. And we've been best buddies ever since. 0:12:17.960 --> 0:12:21.080 You know, he he was just an iconic figure. Two 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:23.760 guys like me, I mean, we just everybody knew the name, 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.760 but you never had the opportunity to meet the guy 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:30.480 unless you were local. So anyway, it was a pleasure 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:35.600 to get to know what a humble, gud and wonderful 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:42.080 person James is. So anyway, yeah, I wouldn't be that humble. 0:12:42.280 --> 0:12:44.160 I would be telling you how good of a great 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:49.079 hunter I was. Everybody, I mean, monkey with me. I'm 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:53.360 too good man. Hey, okay, this is the James segment. 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:59.320 Yesterday we were in James's garage and he's got He's 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:02.000 had the He's had to expand his white tail wall 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.640 because he filled the whole wall up in his garage. 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:07.240 So now he's hanging him out on the porch. But 0:13:08.000 --> 0:13:11.280 the old set of deer from when he was even 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:14.160 a kid through the seventies and eighties is all in 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:18.240 his garage. And these are things that I wouldn't really notice, 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:22.640 because I would expect James to remember a lot about 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:25.559 those deer. But Misty took note. My wife was standing 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:29.120 there and and I just randomly went over and touched 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:31.400 a couple of deer horns. If you remember, there's one 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:33.680 that big old brow times and these are just skull 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:36.480 plates screwed on the wall and I touched the big 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.480 old buck and James said, he told us right where 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:41.080 he killed it. He said, you know, I killed that 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:45.200 back there, and it was told us the date. And 0:13:45.240 --> 0:13:47.199 then I just I didn't think you think about it, 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:48.880 and I just went to the next one. Said, man, 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.200 that one right there is a cool deer, and and 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:54.360 James would say, man, that was eight four and we 0:13:55.320 --> 0:13:58.160 Gene and I had packed back in on the horse 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.720 and died, and I and Misty came back and she 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.360 said he remembered every one of those deer. M h 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:07.280 But I thought that's pretty cool. I hope I don't 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:11.959 lose that. Yeah, I do, and I'm say a hundred percent, 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:15.920 but I know there's a story behind all of them. 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.920 M m hmm. If I can remember, I'm so far 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:21.160 I can. Yeah. Well, that that one he was talking 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.000 about was a special one. Anyway, that that is the 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:29.040 time was the biggest deer I've ever seen. And they 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:31.280 had that unusual set of horns. The high guards are 0:14:32.320 --> 0:14:36.200 brow times whatever you call it was extreme. Yeah. Different 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.040 people looked at it and they said, that's g two. 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:43.040 You don't have brow times drye guards. What do you think? Oh, 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.680 I'd say, those are as a Buona crocket score, those 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:50.400 would be g one brown times. They're probably nine inches long, 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:54.680 a pair of brow times that they curve up just 0:14:54.760 --> 0:14:57.480 kind of match each other in symmetry. On just a 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:59.960 big old eight point, big gnarly eight point he killed 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:05.800 out here. Yeah, well, you know, we don't. Back then, 0:15:05.920 --> 0:15:09.000 we didn't have a lot of deer. It's like everywhere. 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.880 You know, I'm not saying that you were handicapped, but 0:15:12.200 --> 0:15:14.200 you didn't have a lot of deer in the seventies 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:18.920 and eighties, and I'm sure before that. And uh so 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:24.400 every area has their tradition of what a trophy buck is. 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.160 And James was killing the big bucks. Now if you 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:31.520 compare it to an our guy just like just like you, 0:15:31.600 --> 0:15:35.360 I mean, there's no comparison to even Missouri. Uh but 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:39.800 even South Arkansas as far as that, you know, the 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:43.360 farm land down there, really nice big bucks. Yeah yeah, 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:47.080 these mountain bucks. There's an exception once in a while, 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:51.480 but that's that's a good average. You know, County has 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:55.440 killed a few Boone and Crockett and you over the years, 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.400 about every ten years there will be a hundred and 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:01.560 sixty inch buck to Oild. In fact, when you were 0:16:01.600 --> 0:16:05.520 a kid. I was on I forget the name name 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:07.600 of the guy, but it was a hundred sixty seven 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:12.720 inch buck on uh a particular road that goes through 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:18.960 the mountains, and I actually hunted that deer. But you know, 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:23.480 I just can't stand to hunt big bucks for some reason. Really, 0:16:23.520 --> 0:16:25.800 I mean, it just seems I just didn't. I just 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.360 I said on a bucket one something more kidding, he'd 0:16:29.400 --> 0:16:31.960 better go sit where he sees a bunch of deer. 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.480 You know, I just I don't have patience. I don't 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:37.840 you know, so many things go against me for killing 0:16:37.880 --> 0:16:40.120 big bucks, even though I've had plenty of chances. But 0:16:41.000 --> 0:16:43.800 this buck had huge rubs. I mean, I was just 0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.440 like going nuts. And I could follow this buck for 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:50.120 over a hundred yards on a trail that you knew 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:54.760 it was this buck um and for around here that's 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:58.080 pretty rare, and you know where it was, I'll tell you. 0:16:58.200 --> 0:17:02.280 I mean, uh, you know, I mean it was just crazy. 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:05.280 I'm going like, I've never seen this obvious of a sign. 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.639 And two weeks later, sin as gun season opened or whatever, 0:17:09.440 --> 0:17:12.080 the guy killed it. I never, seriously, I never even 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:14.320 put a stand up. I said on a bucket one 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:19.520 morning before church in a honeysuckle patch and that, you know, 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.399 I just thought, so, you know, I'm not a great hunter, 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.239 but I've killed a lot of deer, you know, I've 0:17:26.320 --> 0:17:28.240 killed a whole lot of deer, a lot more deer 0:17:28.240 --> 0:17:30.680 and a lot of people, but nothing that you wanted. 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:35.600 You just eat it and you're really good at uh killing. 0:17:35.600 --> 0:17:37.720 There there the way you wanted to kill him with 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.879 a bow on public land, and we're doing it back 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:45.920 before many people were doing it. Well back before, yeah, 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.480 many people were doing it. You were doing it. Yeah, 0:17:48.520 --> 0:17:51.840 you know. My buddies would be raised up gun hunters. 0:17:52.440 --> 0:17:55.880 Their whole family gun hunted. My family didn't gun hunt. 0:17:56.080 --> 0:17:59.600 They couldn't kill a deer with a bow, and I 0:17:59.680 --> 0:18:02.159 could it. And it was weird. It was really weird 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:05.600 because I didn't know much, but I just knew where 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:07.840 you could go killed thoh and bucks would come in 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.320 and you know, but anyway, it was kind of funny 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:14.040 back in the seventies how the guys that should have 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:16.440 been good hunters could not kill deer with a bow. 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:21.919 You know. Ye, so, but I've never you know, I 0:18:21.920 --> 0:18:24.000 just don't kill big stuff, you know, it's too hard 0:18:24.040 --> 0:18:26.200 to get him out of the woods. You know, there's 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:30.159 there's larger factors that play hard to get down of 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:33.360 the woods. Now, there's larger factors that played to what 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:37.080 you're talking about. And to give somebody context, you were 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:41.040 killing any deer with a bow back before people were 0:18:41.080 --> 0:18:44.000 killing deer, and so that became really valued to you, 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.600 just to kill a deer with a bow on public 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:50.960 land in Arkansas, and our guns seasons start in the rut. 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:53.760 Our guns seasons are pretty liberal here, and so our 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:56.399 guns seasons are starting the first week in November. So 0:18:56.640 --> 0:19:00.320 you had basically the month of October to kill there, 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:04.119 and you were just interested in filling your tags, and 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:07.240 so it just never became that big of a priority. 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:10.680 I would put my my archery equipment up November five. 0:19:11.320 --> 0:19:13.600 I mean to never. I mean, you know, every now 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:16.760 and then I'd go out, but very seldom, maybe once 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:19.320 ever five years. I might hunt some time in December. 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:23.600 But and you know, that's where you set your goals. 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:27.760 I mean, it's just a it's a truism. Claise heard 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:30.960 me say this a lot about life. You set your 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:34.320 goals low, that's what you're gonna achieve. You know, if 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.920 i'd have said I want to kill big Bucks. I probably, 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:41.720 even though I've had plenty of opportunities. You know, I 0:19:41.720 --> 0:19:44.159 probably would have killed a bunch of big Bucks instead 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:46.520 of killing a lot of small deer. I probably would 0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:48.439 have killed a few big Bucks. But I don't want 0:19:48.480 --> 0:19:51.479 to do that. It's too boring to me. I mean, 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:53.760 I'm just not geared to be I'm a geared to 0:19:53.800 --> 0:19:58.840 be a scouter. That's it. Sting. Yeah. I always allowed 0:19:58.840 --> 0:20:01.320 patience with the name of the am and older I 0:20:01.359 --> 0:20:05.800 get the less patients. Uh. I gotta go to stand 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:07.680 in the morning with a light and leave that stand 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:13.680 at night with a lot. And my granddad always said 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:17.120 three days and SAMs much of killer deer. So sometimes 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:19.600 he's right, sometimes he's wrong. But if you sit there 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:24.320 from daylight the dark, which I can't do anymore. Um, 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:27.000 that was one of my secrets, was just back to 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:31.520 three days, find a good scrape line. And back in 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:34.919 the seventies I killed more deal over scrapes nine o'clock 0:20:34.920 --> 0:20:39.080 in the morning. As a rule, i'd go to work ten. 0:20:39.960 --> 0:20:43.159 I'd be there until nine. And now I don't know 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:45.600 what happened, didn't It doesn't work that way. Anymore. But 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:49.160 back in the seventies, you find a good scrape, he said, 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:51.159 on it daylight, the dark, and three days you have me. 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:53.760 So that way, you just look for the biggest track, 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:58.359 the biggest cook push. So what do you mean it 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:02.199 doesn't work? You're being literally I can't scrape anymore. I 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:04.280 mean I can't do any good scrape hunters. They you 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:08.800 just don't see the deer. I just don't. I don't 0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:11.600 have any activity. I can sit there. But well, I 0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:15.320 didn't have cameras then. We didn't have cameras. Uh, we 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:17.199 just went by the sun, you know, in the tracks. 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:19.680 I've had cameras back then, I wouldn't have been sitting 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:21.920 there because it wouldn't be getting no pictures. It's always 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:24.720 not they and they don't run scrapes. Of course, we 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:26.639 got a lot more deer now than we had dan, 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:29.560 but back in the seventies, scrape hunting was a way 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:33.560 to go. You know, I think there's something biological and 0:21:33.640 --> 0:21:38.399 what you've said, because I've heard some really good local hunters. 0:21:38.440 --> 0:21:40.960 Y'all would know who I'm talking about. Tell me the 0:21:41.080 --> 0:21:46.640 same thing as they said. They said, and I can't 0:21:46.680 --> 0:21:51.080 explain it, but they they noted. The trend over a 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:55.560 long period of time is that the buck sign is 0:21:55.640 --> 0:21:58.959 different than it used to be. And and I mean, 0:21:59.000 --> 0:22:01.360 I wonder if it just it hadn't to do with 0:22:01.800 --> 0:22:04.600 low deer density and then hide deer density, because now 0:22:04.600 --> 0:22:08.160 we have a lot more deer and maybe somehow that's 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:12.040 affected the way they're using and making sign. I mean, 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:14.600 it sounds crazy, but I've heard too many people say 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:19.200 what you just said, it was it was so much fun. 0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:22.320 Could you find the scrape a good scrape? I mean 0:22:22.359 --> 0:22:25.040 you don't just you know they make them, But do 0:22:25.040 --> 0:22:27.280 you find a main scrape? But he've been frequent and 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:30.639 twisted limbs towards scrape, sit there for three days and 0:22:30.680 --> 0:22:32.639 you kill him? You know, I used to have that 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:35.000 theory that three days, but I I just could never 0:22:35.000 --> 0:22:37.800 set them stand three days. That it worked for me 0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:41.199 back in the seventies. It don't anymore. But in the 0:22:41.240 --> 0:22:45.080 seventies that was a scrape line important to you. I 0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:48.160 try to I always call him a main scrape. If 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:51.520 you find a scrape, scrape, scrape, you find a main scrape. 0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:54.879 He frequency and it's not just one deer either. You 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:56.960 sat there for three days, you loveously three or four 0:22:56.960 --> 0:23:01.720 bucks come to the same scrape, which I didn't know that. Uh, 0:23:01.880 --> 0:23:03.560 but I would find what I call the main scrape, 0:23:03.600 --> 0:23:06.879 one big scrape. I think, a little polled place. You 0:23:07.359 --> 0:23:14.560 sit on those you might, but you found the main scrape. Um, 0:23:14.680 --> 0:23:17.119 I can't. Now I've tried it. I don't have the 0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:20.360 patience to set in one spot on the scrape. Now 0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:24.560 now I've got a camera so I can tell. Yeah, 0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:29.080 But then I didn't have This may sound crazy that 0:23:29.640 --> 0:23:31.760 I took twine. I found the main scrape didn't have 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:36.200 any It was over by the cabin and I had 0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:39.840 time that year. I took some twine around the scrape, 0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:44.080 hung it in bushes around the scrape, all complete circle, 0:23:45.760 --> 0:23:48.280 and then I would watch that the next morning I 0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:50.879 had it'd be up when i'd leave at night. The 0:23:50.960 --> 0:23:52.879 next morning. You can see where we come down and 0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:57.000 broke a little twine, opened up the scrape and left. 0:23:57.000 --> 0:23:58.720 I didn't have a time, but I knew I was 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:03.800 there from daylight the dark. Um. I don't know how 0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:06.760 many days I'd hunted it, but I give up at 0:24:06.800 --> 0:24:10.480 noon and walked down to my cabin. I wasn't a 0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:14.000 quarter of a mile from my cabin. And I get 0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:18.040 back to my stand and there's the twine broke where 0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:22.080 he'd come off the mountain, opened up the scrape, and 0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:24.639 where he'd went off the side of that ridge that 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:28.520 I was on. So basically that deer was watching me. 0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:31.560 I believe that that deer was up on the mountain 0:24:31.600 --> 0:24:35.000 above me, either smelt me or saying me, because he 0:24:35.000 --> 0:24:36.879 he opened that scrape up while I was gone for 0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:41.240 thirty minutes for lunch break. I quit. I quit. That 0:24:41.359 --> 0:24:44.760 was the last time, and I really and truly die 0:24:44.840 --> 0:24:48.040 hard set on the scrape. If I'd had cameras, it 0:24:48.080 --> 0:24:50.280 wouldn't take long to figure it out the time element, 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:52.600 but that's the only way I could figure out where 0:24:52.600 --> 0:24:55.280