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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nukeleman. I'm the host of the

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Speaker 1: And then the third legend is Kolby moorehead himself, the

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Speaker 1: we're at our Arkansas bear camp. We talked to my

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Speaker 1: to enjoy this podcast. Gary Nukam, James Lawrence Kolby, and myself. Man,

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Speaker 1: And uh, anyway, that's just hunting. That's how they get big.

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00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: They let their little ones go in first. But if

425
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: you can find a doe in heat early, just one,

426
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,960
Speaker 1: I mean, it just goes crazy. The woods goes crazy.

427
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: And you know, I've only had it happen in forty

428
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: years of bow hunting. I've only had it happen a

429
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: couple of times where a doe would come in around

430
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: the twenty October of October, and I mean, you know,

431
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,119
Speaker 1: you just remember Clay was off in college and he

432
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 1: came home. I said, Clay, you gotta get out here,

433
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: you gotta hunt this buck. And uh, you know I

434
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:55,199
Speaker 1: had a shot thirty two steps and you know, you know,

435
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: I just shot under it. It was huge, twelve point

436
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: one of those beautiful twelve points, you know, bam bam bam.

437
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: In Uh October, dog comes in next Saturday. I mean

438
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: I waited a full week to hunt it. The next Saturday,

439
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: the buck comes in again. I had a ten point

440
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: eight point a six point one Sunday morning before before church,

441
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: and uh, I mean it was just crazy. That's particular

442
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: spot and this buck would come up and click. I

443
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: might have told this I think, you know, the clicking buck.

444
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just I learned more in that

445
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 1: one setting. I guessing I've ever learned in my life

446
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: about deer hunting. You know, I wonder, I wonder how

447
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: much our knowledge of deer hunting is anecdotal. And the

448
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: word anecdotal meaning based upon experience, not necessarily based upon science,

449
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: or based upon perceived experience, like you know, because like

450
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 1: we have all these experiences in the woods and we

451
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: come to a conclusion pretty quickly. Like predators humans in general,

452
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: we perceive data, you know, like you perceive something that's

453
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: going on, and then you come to a conclusion of

454
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: what happens, and then you build a strategy around that

455
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: conclusion and if that, if it works, then your your

456
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: your conclusion is validated. But I think sometimes we even

457
00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: have we perceived data what's happening, we come to a

458
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 1: conclusion that may not be right, but we use that

459
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: and we're successful and build kind of ideologies that maybe

460
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: aren't even fully true, but they kind of work for

461
00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: us a lot of the time. Does that mean I

462
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 1: think I think hunters do that a lot because we're

463
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: dealing We're not dealing in hard science. We're dealing in

464
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: perceived perceived. I mean, it's not like we're log and

465
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: entries and we're actually conducting research. When we're out there,

466
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,440
Speaker 1: it's all anecdotal. We're sitting in a stand and we

467
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: think this happened, but really maybe something else happened. But regardless,

468
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter because guys like you and Dad figure

469
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: out how to make it work, you know. And um,

470
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: so I find that the people and what I've learned

471
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: from both of you guys, is that get a strategy

472
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: and stick to it and become highly proficient at whatever

473
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: method you have that works, and you'll be a successful

474
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: hunter like Dad hunting like white oak acorns on public land.

475
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: It's like he had that down to a science. You

476
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: have down to a science slip hunting the national forest

477
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: and uh and moving through timber and and monitoring buck

478
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: sign and I mean, you just can't hardly keep James

479
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: from killing a buck. James doesn't know this, but every

480
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,080
Speaker 1: year he says the same thing every year for the

481
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: last ten years. This time of year he says, Man,

482
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: I can't find a buck. There's no bucks around here.

483
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: And then by the end of the season he's got

484
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: two big racks hanging on the porch that he killed. Now.

485
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: I've wrote something about James the other day in the magazine.

486
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: I said he has an uncanny ability to uh just

487
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: draw out game in places where other people can't. So James,

488
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: you can keep telling me there's no big bucks around.

489
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: He's a liar, man. Maybe that's what it is you're

490
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:49,479
Speaker 1: holding back. Man, give me a break. Uh. Hey, I

491
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: gave him some intel yesterday where a big buck was

492
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 1: because we saw one across the road National Forest, a

493
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: good buck. But he says there's a lot of people

494
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: hunting over there. So now, um, yeah, well, hey we're

495
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 1: here to talk about bear camp. But all this to me,

496
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 1: this is this is good, good context to talk about

497
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: bear camp because our our bear hunting here in Arkansas

498
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: is supplementary to our deer hunting. That's just the truth. Like,

499
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: we don't bear hunt like this for the whole season,

500
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: you know, we bear hunt like this for a few

501
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: days or maybe a week because these bears leave our

502
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: baits and it's so time consuming, so energy consuming to

503
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 1: keep these baits going. It's like we have this flurry

504
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: of activity that leads up to this one weekend where

505
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 1: we can all get here where the kids can be

506
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: here and we have this uh fun weekend. This week

507
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: we this this year, we stayed at a real nice

508
00:31:53,360 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: uh cabin out here that James built. This cabin. Uh

509
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: it runs off solar James carpenter, James as a carpenter

510
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: and and more than that, and he and his son

511
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: hooked up all the solar and this is a super

512
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: cool place. But um, what do you why is this

513
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: weekend special? James? Like, why do you like this so much.

514
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: What's the That's a hard question. But I I look

515
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: forward to it from one year to the next. When

516
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 1: we're slowing down from this, you know, three or four days.

517
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: I hate to see that go, But I think about

518
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: the next year, there's three or four days here where

519
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: we maybe that we put a lot of effort into it,

520
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 1: and it's worth every bit that we put into it. Yeah.

521
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: I enjoy kids experience and what I did when I

522
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: was a kid. A lot of people don't get to

523
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 1: do that now days. Yeah, but a few days of

524
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: bare suasan just see the smile on people's face. Yeah,

525
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 1: I like to rent. Last night he couldn't wipe that.

526
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: Grin office say uh uh yeah, well we've got uh.

527
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: I think we're working with between David's, we're working with

528
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: let me hold that we've got it. The problem with

529
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: having these old guys on the podcast is a get

530
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: up move around. It's getting this coffee. Um. I think

531
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: we've got five baits sites out here, and we can

532
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: only bait on private land in Arkansas. Everybody knows that,

533
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: and um we it's funny that everybody has heard us

534
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: talk about these baits. Some baits are just prone to

535
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: have big bears and some aren't. Our baits out here

536
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: kind of hit and miss with big real big bears,

537
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: but we always have bears. And uh, let's just start.

538
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: So I was in uh everybody heard the last couple

539
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: of podcasts, and I, me and Kobe were in Montana

540
00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: elk hunting, and so James was doing all the work

541
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: for us, and we kind of, you know, I'm kind

542
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: of in charge of gathering bait and I bring it

543
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: down here. And then James is kind of in charge

544
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: of keeping the baits going because he's living you know,

545
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 1: he lives pretty close to these places. And so before

546
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,479
Speaker 1: I went to Montana, I went and uh got got

547
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,240
Speaker 1: some bait. James also got some bait because I couldn't

548
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: locate any bread up where I'm from, so James had

549
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 1: to drive. But I've been baiting these bears for about

550
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: three weeks coming up to this, I think, And um,

551
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 1: so I brought three kids down here, Bear River and Shepherd,

552
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: and uh now Bear Newcom has made a commitment to

553
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: not kill a bear over bait. He's sticking to it,

554
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: and to try to kill a bear the National Forest.

555
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: Yeah for his first bear. Yeah, yeah, he I talked

556
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: to him about three years ago because I knew we

557
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: could put him on a bear bait and get him

558
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: to kill a bear. And uh, there are several factors

559
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: that went into it, but with bear in particular, I

560
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: felt like that he had enough internal drive and I

561
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: just you know, every kid is different, and I just

562
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: wanted to give him a goal that he could move towards.

563
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: And he had hunted with me quite a bit out

564
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: in the mountains and he he loved it, like he

565
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: man as as a parent, and you built this inside

566
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,360
Speaker 1: of me, Dad, is that you shape the value system

567
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: of your kids. You show them what has value and

568
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: and hunting bear of verbait has incredible value. But with

569
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: bear in particular, we've hunted National Forest for deer and bear,

570
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: and I really emphasized that to him that hey, this

571
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: is a tough way to hunt him. This is a

572
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: difficult way. You gotta be a woodsman to do this.

573
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: You gotta have persistence. You can't think about this in

574
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: terms of a single season. You gotta think about this

575
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: in terms of multiple seasons. And uh. And he I

576
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: could see he was matching onto this, and I said,

577
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 1: I tell you what, how about what it? And I

578
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: let him make the decision. But I said, what if

579
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 1: you didn't kill a bear over bait? And that's a

580
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: tough decision for a he made that he made he

581
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: pretty much he made that commitment when he was twelve.

582
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 1: He's fourteen. Now, that's a tough decision for a twelve

583
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,439
Speaker 1: year old to not take his bow and go out

584
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 1: here and sit on a not a for sure deal

585
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: because it's not but a pretty for sure deal while

586
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: his brothers and sisters are killing bears and getting validated

587
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 1: by people and getting pictures put up on Facebook by

588
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 1: their mama. You know what I'm saying in the bear

589
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: just every year, just like Nope, I'm gonna kill one

590
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: out in the mountains, gonna kill one out in the

591
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: mountains and uh so, um he'll, he'll. That's that's the

592
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: decision that he's made. So we got a tough road

593
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: to hold to get him on a bear out there,

594
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: but we're gonna try. Um but River and Shepherd hunted

595
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: this weekend, And but who got the hot seat was

596
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: Mr Kolby, the bever Tech morehead. Um Kolby, So this

597
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: is your first time to come here. Yeah, I tell

598
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: you that you're in a coveted chair here. Brother. Yeah, no,

599
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,800
Speaker 1: what's what's been like for you? Oh it's been great.

600
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: I think the thing I was looking most forward to

601
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: was meeting James here. His names so much around the

602
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: office and this is like Scott, is he for real?

603
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:38,239
Speaker 1: Now we find out it's been lying to us where

604
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 1: they were all the time? Yeah? No, No, Meeting James

605
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: has definitely been a highlight of the weekend. And uh,

606
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: just the kind of guy is like not I mean,

607
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: not even knowing him, like all the history about all

608
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: the bucks he's killing everything. Just like meetings, we meet

609
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: somebody's quality. It's just like that makes it makes a

610
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: trip worth it, you know. And so I think for

611
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: me that's been a highlighting. And I mean, yeah, getting

612
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: to hunt with Shepard was awesome too. You know we

613
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: sat describe describe your hunt then. Yeah, so my hunt.

614
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 1: We we had a bait that we decided to hunt

615
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: in the morning, but we had to watch and make

616
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: sure there weren't any bears up there, so we stayed

617
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: and stayed back. Probably the wind is howling, the kids

618
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: are falling, leaves are blowing. Yeah, so we probably got

619
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: within like two hundred yards of the bait and glass

620
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 1: for a little while and saw that there was a

621
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: bear there, so we had to wait for for for

622
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: to clear out. And with this particular bait, we were

623
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: thinking maybe maybe if we got one early enough, we'd

624
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to another one. So we thought that

625
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: we could maybe killed two bears. Maybe. Yeah, we had

626
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: a stand in this particular spot. It was a big

627
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: platform stand where I'm private land. Yeah, you guys are

628
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: hunting with him walking this since where we're staying. Yeah,

629
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: so that's pretty unique. And they're literally walking up the

630
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: hill hundred yards to a bear bait. Yeah. Yeah, it

631
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: hadn't been bad at a matter of fact, you guys

632
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: had it really easy. We had it really easy, and

633
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 1: we had a lot of space. The hardest thing was

634
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: we didn't know we needed to take chairs, so we

635
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: had to. We had to deal with the hard plywood.

636
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 1: I I know, I mean I thought we were gonna

637
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: be dealing with strict luxury and we just I didn't

638
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 1: talk about it. I didn't think about it either. I

639
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: just the big platform. Yeah, I didn't know you we endured. No,

640
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: it wasn't it wasn't bad at all. No, it was

641
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:30,560
Speaker 1: just fun hang out with Shep out there, and just

642
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: not often that I hunt with other someone else inside

643
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: the stand. Shep and I have been, you know, playing

644
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: basketball together and stuff. So it was just fun to

645
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: do something different. And uh yeah, so you hunted the

646
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,759
Speaker 1: morning opening morning, you you saw a bear from about

647
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: a hundred hundred and something yards away. Yeah, the hunt.

648
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:52,960
Speaker 1: The hunt was on before we even got in the stand.

649
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 1: And hey, that's exactly what I tell people to do, Kolbe,

650
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: is that if you're hunting bears in the mornings, you

651
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: gotta be careful because the bear is gonna be there

652
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: all night. And if you all have walked in there

653
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: before daylight with flashlights, you would have spooked that bear,

654
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: oh for sure. So you waited until daylight, and sure

655
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: enough there was a bear there, and you let it

656
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: walk off, and then he went to the stand, and

657
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: then you hunted the whole morning. It never came back

658
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: and never came back, and then uh we we I

659
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: think we probably could have stalked the bear, but we

660
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: didn't want to blow it out. We didn't know what

661
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: the wind would do, so we just tuned the morning

662
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 1: until about ten thirty and then just came out and

663
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: went back that that afternoon round four, and uh, I

664
00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: just sat there and that bear came out eventually. It

665
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,720
Speaker 1: was real light and nervy, um, and then it left

666
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,319
Speaker 1: and then it came back. I'm just like you. I mean,

667
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 1: just like it had done this a million times, like

668
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 1: I had this whole thing, like it was smelling the

669
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 1: wind and just like real nervy. And so it finally

670
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: came in and we were able to get a shot

671
00:40:52,600 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 1: off on it. And uh, anyways, it looked like a

672
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: great shot, you know, twenty yards, yeah, twenty exactly, how

673
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: you know, I'll give the abbreviated version the bear. Probably

674
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: an hour and a half before dark, they saw the

675
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: bear pacing up on the ridge, which is real typical.

676
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: These bears are coming in down wind of these baits

677
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: and staging out there, and so this bear smelled them

678
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: and knew they were there, and uh so it wasn't

679
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 1: coming in. And then some yard dogs about it's actually

680
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 1: about a half a mile away, but started barking. We

681
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: can the dogs actually came up there. Oh yeah, ate

682
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: some of the bat and everything. Yeah, dogs, man and

683
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: and so. But the dogs were still over there across

684
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,280
Speaker 1: the road. They started barking, and the bear just left

685
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,760
Speaker 1: out just took off up up the hill. The dogs

686
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: quit barking, and U the bearings that were coming back

687
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: like fifteen minutes later. Yeah, yeah, and so they have

688
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 1: to get the shot off. And we played it back

689
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: and it looked like I looked like a team tin ring.

690
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: It's like that bear is just laying up there, you know.

691
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: And so but Sheep he he was like, I think

692
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: it might have been a little far back, and we

693
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: think he saw like my fletching or something. So the

694
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: way the bear acted wasn't typical, like it ran up

695
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: the hill a little bit, stood there for a minute

696
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 1: and then just mosied off like nothing had ever happened.

697
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: And so that didn't make sense to with like what

698
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 1: I saw or what my shot did. Bro it made

699
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: sense with what Sheep thought he saw. And so I

700
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: was like, acted like it was hit far back. Yeah,

701
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: I was thinking, it's like he felt like it was

702
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: a double lung. Yeah. I thought it was a great

703
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: shot and shut. And so I was like, well, maybe

704
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:43,879
Speaker 1: I didn't see it right because that bear was kind

705
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: of acting like like that. So we I we had

706
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,879
Speaker 1: filmed it, and so I punched in on it, and

707
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: I mean it looked like a perfect shot, and so

708
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: I'm feeling really good and so we um. Anyways, we

709
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 1: looked the video a couple of times. That's a great shot.

710
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: That's where you want to put it. We go up

711
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: there to track it, thinking it's gonna be an easy track,

712
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: and uh, we're not finding a whole lot of blood,

713
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: and then we start finding a little bit of blood

714
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 1: and a little bit more blood, and that barely let's

715
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 1: let's stop right there. You came back to camp. Yeah,

716
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: I didn't tech the arrow or anything. I just backed out.

717
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: And by the time you got back here, my mom

718
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: and dad were here, James and David. They were probably

719
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: fifteen people here within wide oakakring on the tin roof.

720
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if they could hear that. Uh, probably

721
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,600
Speaker 1: fifteen people here. And when we went up there, I

722
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: bet there were eight of us tracking that. Barrett. Honestly,

723
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: it's not an ideal situation, but nobody wanted to stay back. Yeah,

724
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: it's too easy, It's just let's walk up. Everybody was

725
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: just like, let's go. Yeah. That's if if it had

726
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 1: been uh, a little bit different situation, I probably would

727
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: have said, hey, let's let's let's just get about three

728
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: of us and go up there, but the kids wanted

729
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: to go and so anyway, so we go up there,

730
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,280
Speaker 1: thinking it's gonna be a fifty yard trail job, and

731
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,840
Speaker 1: we don't find it. Dad, he just tend ring that

732
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: bear tend ringed it and there was no blood and

733
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: the bear didn't hardly act like it was hit. And

734
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: we finally found blood twenty thirty yards, I mean started

735
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: finding good blood, probably thirty yards from where the bear

736
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: was shot. And it was deep red, kind of like

737
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: mustley cavity type blood. And I thought, well, he's hit it,

738
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: yeah and low well and even the arrow didn't look

739
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 1: the arrow was almost clean. You and we're we're we're

740
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,240
Speaker 1: gonna describe something to you here that's typical of bear,

741
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: which is that that was the cleanest pass. Yeah, the arrow,

742
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: if he had just put it in his quiver, you

743
00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't have been able to pick out which era

744
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: had been shot. And damn press you, yes this and

745
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: and so we we finally get on decent blood and

746
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: we trail this bear and we find where he laid on,

747
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:17,839
Speaker 1: right up against a big pine tree. Um and I said,

748
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: oh man, this bear bedded down. That's not good because

749
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,319
Speaker 1: it wouldn't the bed down wasn't laying there. But we

750
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: saw good blood coming out of the bed. So, you know,

751
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: it's been two and a half three hours, and so

752
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: we're like, well, let's just go a little bit further.

753
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 1: We got another ten twelve yards and there's another bed

754
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: and we go, oh man, that's not good. But we

755
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: see good blood and the bear starts to turn downhill

756
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:44,280
Speaker 1: and so and I'm telling the kids to get back.

757
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: And you know, I think probably the most dangerous thing

758
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:50,800
Speaker 1: we do is bear hunters is trail wounded game, especially

759
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: at night. I mean, that's how you could get chewed up.

760
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: I mean, of all the things we do, aside from

761
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: driving on the highway, getting chewed up by wounded bear

762
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: is a real possibility, especially or something like that. So

763
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about that with all the kids, and so

764
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: I'm saying get back, get back, everybody, and we're trying

765
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: to track the bear and anyway, we go down another

766
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 1: ten yards and there's another bed, and finally I say,

767
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: that's it. We gotta get out of here. This you know,

768
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: you this bear is alive. And so we all back

769
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 1: out and uh, to make a long story short, we

770
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: go track another two bears, not one. We tracked Brent's

771
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 1: bear and Aaron Marshall's bear, and we get back here

772
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about those two. But we get back

773
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: here at eleven something probably always later. That wasn't it

774
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: was no one was started. But okay, we get back here. Yeah, okay,

775
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: we about eleven o'clock. We go back up there, and

776
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: that bear had ran fifteen yards past where he last was,

777
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 1: so I mean laid down one more time by some

778
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: big bended four times and probably sixty seventy yards and uh.

779
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: And so we do a knee cropsy. That's a new word, James,

780
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 1: that we've learned. It's not an an autopsy is specifically

781
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: for human. Is that right? So if you if you

782
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: are examining the internal organs of a dead human, it's

783
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: called an autopsy. If you're examining an animal, it's called

784
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: a knee cropsy. It's our understanding. Yeah, I've done on

785
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:38,719
Speaker 1: a horse before the vet. Okay, So we're curious as

786
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: to what where he hit this bear, and so we

787
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: opened it up real, real delicately, and the bear was

788
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: hit in the lower portion of the lungs. Dad double

789
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 1: lung shot and two of those slick trick blades, rake

790
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 1: down the heart. There were actually cut the heart and

791
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 1: hit two lungs, and that bear bedded four times and

792
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: was bleeding this you know, dark maroon blood. I mean

793
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 1: just still Now, did the bear die in the amount

794
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: of time that it was supposed to? Yes, the bear

795
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 1: died within a hundred yards, that's normal. The blood was

796
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: not normal, the bedding down was not normal. And the

797
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: way the bear acted was pretty abnormal because it ran

798
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: off real fast and then it just walked. Usually you

799
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,399
Speaker 1: double on them, they do just like a death run.

800
00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of weird things about it. And

801
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what to say other than just every

802
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: bear is different. I think a lot of blood trails

803
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 1: have to do with the amount of fat a bear has.

804
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: And we've been talking about this year how every bear

805
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: we've skin has had an incredible amount of fat. What

806
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:52,480
Speaker 1: are your thoughts, hey, you know, I'm sure this is

807
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: not right, but this is what I think that dear

808
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: that bear did not even know it was hit. It's

809
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: like a beasting and it goes, it jumps and it

810
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: takes off running and it looks around. He thinks, well,

811
00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: there's no you know, there's no bee, there's no I mean,

812
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:08,799
Speaker 1: and so it just it just says, man, I don't

813
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 1: feel good. I think I'm gonna take a nap, and

814
00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 1: then it gets restless and it goes you know, I think,

815
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: you know, I want to get away from here. And

816
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 1: I don't think that the bear knew it was even hit.

817
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: But when you say it's abnormal for a double long

818
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: heart shot animal to bed four times in seventy yards, well,

819
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 1: very very but I think that the animal probably died,

820
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: like you said, in the appropriate amount of time, you know,

821
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:45,760
Speaker 1: I mean, it died within three minutes, eight minutes, ten minutes.

822
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: But but every time it would bed down, you would think,

823
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: I'm not feeling good. I've got it. And it just

824
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 1: all came together for me that the that the arrow

825
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,239
Speaker 1: was in the very bottom the lungs, like, so it's

826
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: still had a lot of its lungs. I heard somebody

827
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,360
Speaker 1: talking the other day about how not all liver shots

828
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 1: are created equal if you just nicked the liver. If so,

829
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:18,879
Speaker 1: I think that era went through a pretty I mean,

830
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: any part of the lung is vital, but it went

831
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,800
Speaker 1: through the very lower section of the lung and it

832
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: just scratched the heart I think that bear just had

833
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: a little bit more life in it, even though it

834
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: was very much so mortally wounded age. Yeah, well for

835
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: your first Arkansas bear, you've killed a bear up in Canada.

836
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, my first standard dodging dodging smoker. Yeah, I'm

837
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: getting smoked out. Uh yeah, my first US bear. Yeah.

838
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 1: So you killed a baron cannon. Were you excited? Yeah? Yeah,

839
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,959
Speaker 1: after it finally was like, oh yeah, it was good.

840
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: Oh there's always drama, man, you wonder if you kill

841
00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: them or not. Hey, I would like to say that

842
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: the picture of those two bear and with bear the

843
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: human bear with his eight point buck there was one

844
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: of the prettiest bear pictures I've seen. I mean, it

845
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 1: was beautiful. You probably see it, did see it? Yeah? Yeah,

846
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,880
Speaker 1: they'll see it in Bear Hunting magazine. Well and and

847
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: so now that's a great segue into where those other

848
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,919
Speaker 1: animals came from. So Brent Reeves, everybody Brent Reeves who's

849
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: been on the podcast a lot. Brent was hunting over

850
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: here a couple of miles and uh, now Brent had

851
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,200
Speaker 1: wasn't really part of the camp that much because he

852
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: just drove in real quick and started hunting. Um, but

853
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: he shows up at camp and says, hey, I killed

854
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: a bear, and so you'd kill the bear. He'd kill

855
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 1: the bear. Yeah, And so we go over to help Brent.

856
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: All of us, just the whole mob of people go

857
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: over to help Brent. Trackis Baron. He had heard it

858
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: death mom five times. Yeah. So Brent's killed two bears

859
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:03,680
Speaker 1: and both of them have death mound. I can't remember

860
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: the last time a bear I killed death Mond for real?

861
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: Your first bear did? Yeah? Yeah, Dad was with me

862
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: the first bear killed it, death Mond. But so we

863
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 1: go over there and when we get there, some of

864
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: our other friends. This is just a small, tight knit community.

865
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: That's the that's the answer to We we get over

866
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: there and on the side of the road is a

867
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: truck that we recognize and it's uh, they wouldn't mind

868
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: us saying their names. It was. It was Aaron Marshall

869
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:37,279
Speaker 1: and his dad Ken, and uh, they say, well, we've

870
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: shot a bear, and uh, it's funny because Aaron listens

871
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 1: to this podcast and and uh he told me where

872
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: he shot it, and he said, you know, he said

873
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,280
Speaker 1: they'd listen to I can't remember which podcast he listened to. Well,

874
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: we find Brent's bear. I'm coming. I'm gonna come back

875
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,839
Speaker 1: to Aaron because we learned some stuff on his bear

876
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: as well. Um, we find we find Brent's bear relative

877
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:02,959
Speaker 1: of ly easy because it didn't only run about forty

878
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 1: yards and it was a very nice bore. We think

879
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: three fifty plus. Um, James found it. James found it. Yeah,

880
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:16,919
Speaker 1: we were all over the hillside Dad this bear. There's

881
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: just almost a straight cliff and we find this bear

882
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: wrapped up around kind of a tree, about a two

883
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 1: inch sapling on the side of this cliff. And Brent

884
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: and I get to the bear and I pick up

885
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,440
Speaker 1: its head to look at it, and we're high fiving.

886
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: And when I picked up its head, the body shifts

887
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,719
Speaker 1: and that bear just goes to the bottom, I mean

888
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: just disappears and goes all the way down the creek.

889
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: It was a Bob's letter y, So we relocated our

890
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:55,359
Speaker 1: we relocated to the creek and U no, So Brent

891
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: just made a great double long hit you know, mid

892
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: mid body, you know, dead center to lungs. The bear

893
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: didn't go far. And so then we got Aaron had

894
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: shot a bear and it was his first bear, and

895
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: it was just a little ways up the road, and

896
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 1: so we said, well, let's all go help Aaron track

897
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: his bear. And so we go up there and we

898
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: tracked the bear and it was almost identical to your

899
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: blood trail exactly in one night. Yeah, we're just kind

900
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: of a mystery what happened. It was this deep red blood.

901
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 1: UM found multiple beds within a hundred yards and finally

902
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: after the third bed, and it had been like five

903
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 1: hours since he shot it. So we waited the appropriate time,

904
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,359
Speaker 1: which that's the biggest thing is give him time. And

905
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 1: we at the third bed, I was like, we gotta

906
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: get out of here, guys, this is we We just

907
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,959
Speaker 1: got to come back in the morning and getting real thick. Yeah,

908
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 1: and so that's what we did. We all dropped out,

909
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: and then Aaron and then went back this morning and

910
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: found the bear twenty yards from where we stopped. And

911
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: uh so they came by this morning and had the

912
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:14,319
Speaker 1: bear in the back of the truck and we helped

913
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: them skin at the bear. It's been cool, so the

914
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 1: bear was in good shape. Um, so they were able

915
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 1: to You know, if you do you have any safety

916
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: tips on tracking a bear like that? Is it legal

917
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: to carry a pistol? I mean, I mean it's it's dangerous.

918
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: I think back about that bear we tracked and Oklahoma,

919
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: how crazy that was. I mean, we were out there

920
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: this bear, you know, I thought later, you know, man,

921
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's amazing more people aren't hurt tracking

922
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: a bear to night. Um, but anyway you gotta track them. Yeah,

923
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: you know. The only safety tip I would give is, yeah,

924
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: if it's legal to uh uh, if it's legal to

925
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: carry a side arm, do it. And in most places

926
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: it would be for tracking a bear. It is here,

927
00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,360
Speaker 1: we can carry it. You know. I had a warden

928
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: one time. I specifically asked him in Arkansas if I

929
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: could carry a side arm, and he said, what kind

930
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,279
Speaker 1: of side arm? And basically he was like, if you're

931
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: carrying a two seventy then that's uh not okay. And

932
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: I said, I'm carrying a ten millimeter glock with a

933
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: four inch barrel and he's like, that's fine. So his

934
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 1: in Arkansas, at least his ideology this one warden was

935
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: just carry a gun that shows intent. You know, don't

936
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:46,080
Speaker 1: carry a don't carry your three mag with a scope

937
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,799
Speaker 1: on it during archery season out in the woods. But

938
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:51,920
Speaker 1: if you're carrying a side arm, you know a pistol

939
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:58,160
Speaker 1: short barrel pistol. You're probably okay, and now don't somebody

940
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: needs to check with their war but I don't. I

941
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: usually don't carry a side arm around here, but a

942
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: lot of people do and it's probably a good idea too.

943
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 1: But but yeah, so we So there's our three bears

944
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: that we had and then bears buck. You had to

945
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: so this. We got this cool photo of Kolbe's bear,

946
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 1: Brent's bear, and then bear KNUKELM my son had. Because

947
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: he wasn't bear hunting over bait, we let him deer hunt.

948
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 1: James put it, just put him slap, put him on

949
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: a buck. And uh, I mean the first two hours

950
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: a daylight bear had shot a nice eight point buck

951
00:57:38,520 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: with a crossbow. Uh. He was supposed to get a

952
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 1: compound bow but it hadn't come in because of COVID

953
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: and uh so bar had killed the buck. So we

954
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:52,560
Speaker 1: got the buck and the two bears and uh just

955
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 1: a great weekend man. Question. You know, I'm not much

956
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: of a bear hunter, and act I'm not a bear hunter.

957
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 1: I enjoy it, but I don't. I don't do it

958
00:58:04,080 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 1: much if ever, But when I looked at the bear,

959
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 1: Kobe killed. That shot looked perfect, but technically it was

960
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: low based on what you're saying. So I mean, if

961
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: you if it, maybe when Clay does the magazine he

962
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: might even circle that and show where he shot that bear,

963
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: because I mean it was it was perfect. It was

964
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 1: six inches up from the silhouette of the bottom when

965
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: you looked at it. Did you think the shot was perfect?

966
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: But it was low? It was low? So I mean

967
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: that is crazy And your observation is pretty interesting too,

968
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: that uh, shooting low in the long would allow that

969
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: bear to live another three minutes or five minutes, and

970
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: that and that, and that's a good way to look

971
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: at it. And animal living another three minutes and having

972
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,760
Speaker 1: a lot of energy in that three minute time frame

973
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 1: can be the difference in finding it or not. And

974
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: you know that that bearer was reacting to its body.

975
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:13,040
Speaker 1: You know it was going, man, I don't feel good,

976
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: I need to move, I need to go get an

977
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: asper and I need to do something. So you know,

978
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: they say have asper now here. So anyway, James gives

979
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: it to him in the bait. Pretty intriguing deal, really,

980
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 1: I mean it's there's a lot to be learned from

981
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 1: that shot. I think, well man, people ought to go

982
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: back and listen to if they have questions on shot placement.

983
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: I tell you what, I've been in a lot of

984
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:39,120
Speaker 1: bear camps, and wounded bears are a real deal. They're

985
00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: just so different than white tails. And I mean we

986
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: could I don't want to go into all the details

987
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: of the shot placement on this one, but there's it's nuanced.

988
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: You better make sure you got your ducks in a

989
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 1: row before you pull a trigger on a bear. How

990
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: you know what I would say, but I wouldn't do it.

991
00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,400
Speaker 1: I'd follow your instructions. But when you see a shot

992
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: like kobe Head and you know it's a good shot,

993
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 1: go ahead and stay with the bear. You wait three hours,

994
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,320
Speaker 1: the bear is dead. I mean he's dead as a

995
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: stinking hammer when y'all turn around. So so really you

996
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:17,360
Speaker 1: should have went ahead and said, you know, hindsight, the

997
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: best thing does come back. But technically, when you see

998
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: that ara and it's going through buth lungs, that that

999
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 1: sucker is is dead is a hammer man? You ight

1000
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,760
Speaker 1: have seen the era though. If you have seen that era,

1001
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:31,320
Speaker 1: you would have said it was an optical illusion what

1002
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 1: we saw. Well, you know, when when that thing goes

1003
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: through what it's when it goes through a deer. You

1004
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 1: know you're gonna see that thing's going through hair on

1005
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: the way out. It's almost like you got it. You

1006
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:48,120
Speaker 1: got a filter out there cleaning your arrow off. Yeah exactly.

1007
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, yeah, it was it. There's always a

1008
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:00,720
Speaker 1: lot of nuance inside of these things. That's that's hard

1009
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: to predict. That James was saying. Every year something new

1010
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: happens and where there's always some drama, you know, and

1011
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 1: we always you know, we usually we almost always recovered

1012
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,160
Speaker 1: the animals, but there's none of them are the same.

1013
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 1: But I like those blood trails like Brent had that

1014
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 1: just you know, you want to hit the center of

1015
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:27,880
Speaker 1: the vitals for sure. Do you ever track blood? No?

1016
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: We well they heard it, they heard it moan just

1017
01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: right over there. So we were just looking for a bear. Yeah,

1018
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: and it wasn't very far. You know, I just wonder

1019
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:38,040
Speaker 1: if that moan is not when you get the perfect

1020
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:42,919
Speaker 1: kill shot. Yeah. I thought about that last night. What

1021
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: dictates a death? Moan? You know what? Brent asked me

1022
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,240
Speaker 1: on the way back. Brent and I we were up

1023
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: till four am last night. We had to go into

1024
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: town to get ice, and he said, uh, he says,

1025
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: what do you think about the death moan? Clay? And

1026
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: I didn't really know what he was getting at, and

1027
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:07,400
Speaker 1: I just said, I said, it's pretty uh, pretty incredible.

1028
01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 1: There's only a couple of as far as I know,

1029
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: there's only two big game animals that death moan, and

1030
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: one of them is some type of buffalo, maybe a

1031
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:18,520
Speaker 1: cape buffalo. Uh, the only big game animals that do that.

1032
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 1: And a death moan for those who wouldn't know it.

1033
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: Some I found about twenty of bears that are killed

1034
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: death mona how would this be? Only twenty percent of

1035
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: them were shocked where they're gonna die within forty yards

1036
01:02:34,200 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 1: that that bear knows absolutely he is a dead animal.

1037
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,520
Speaker 1: I mean you've hit him center of center or heart

1038
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,560
Speaker 1: and he goes, hey, man, this is it. So I'm

1039
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: gonna do my moan. So where if you shoot just

1040
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,680
Speaker 1: a little low. I mean he he didn't even know.

1041
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: I don't think your bear knew knew that he was

1042
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: even hit. I think you're onto something there. Because I

1043
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,480
Speaker 1: had I had the the or the beginnings of that thought,

1044
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 1: and I didn't pull it all the way through, but

1045
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,040
Speaker 1: I had the thought for the first time yesterday, I

1046
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 1: wonder if there is some type of if you could

1047
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 1: really get the data to see, okay, on this type

1048
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,680
Speaker 1: of shot, bears death moan and on these type they don't.

1049
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: I do know for certain. Well, here's this is true,

1050
01:03:18,960 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: is that when they like if an animal goes off

1051
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: and if it's like a liver shot and they die

1052
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 1: a couple of hours later, which is not ideal, but

1053
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:34,680
Speaker 1: it happens, they only moan on a first dear that

1054
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 1: bear that you killed. I doubt if we did an

1055
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: autopsy on it. But do you remember where you hit?

1056
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: It's just a perfect it was shot double that that

1057
01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: bear knew it was dead. I mean, it knew it

1058
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 1: was rand fifty yards are thirty? Yeah, I mean it

1059
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,720
Speaker 1: and it was a little downhill and he only got

1060
01:03:56,000 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: I remember thirty yards. It could have been fifty. And um,

1061
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: I think that's it. I mean, if you kill that

1062
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 1: bear and you've got the perfect shot, it's gonna go, oh,

1063
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: this is my clock is expired. And the other guy

1064
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 1: didn't even always hit. Yeah, Brent was saying that, he

1065
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 1: said it it affected him to hear the bear. Do that,

1066
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, because it it really does bring to a

1067
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: very intense focus that you've taken the life of an animal.

1068
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: You know, you shoot a deer and it runs off

1069
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:34,920
Speaker 1: and dies out of sight. You you you have shot

1070
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 1: that animal. You've been a part of its death. You've

1071
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: been the cause of its death. But a big majestic

1072
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 1: beast like a bear shooting it and then it going

1073
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 1: out there, and if you've never heard it, you won't

1074
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: believe it when you do. I still haven't heard one. Yeah, Oh,

1075
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:56,919
Speaker 1: it's it's incredible. Um when h James had to step

1076
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 1: out for a second. Theory, James, have you heard one

1077
01:04:59,440 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 1: death mon a bear death Moon? Yes, the first one

1078
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: I killed with the bow. Um, I went about thirty

1079
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: yards just out of sight in death Mond. Uh, I

1080
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:19,439
Speaker 1: had too. M hm. Both of them are young boers. Yeah,

1081
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:25,840
Speaker 1: they wouldn't Uh. The bigger ones then death Moon, but

1082
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: the first one in third or fourth Mond Brent said

1083
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,960
Speaker 1: his Yeah, that's what we were just talking. James had

1084
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 1: to step away for a second. Yeah, we just went

1085
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 1: through all that. We were talking about the death mon

1086
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: multiple times. Well, it's it's a mysterious it's mysterious. I

1087
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 1: would like to understand the biology. But because there's a

1088
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: reason everything that happens in the natural world, there's a

1089
01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: there's a reason, there's a purpose behind it that can

1090
01:05:54,560 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: be explained in some way. And I've never heard much

1091
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:02,760
Speaker 1: commentary on the death moon, but it certainly makes you

1092
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,200
Speaker 1: be very aware that you've taken the life of an

1093
01:06:06,200 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: animal and uh and makes you want to utilize that

1094
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 1: animal to the highest levels of responsibility that we can

1095
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: as as hunters, for sure. But well, incredible weekend. It's

1096
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 1: great to be able to spend it with all you guys,

1097
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:32,600
Speaker 1: for sure. For sure. James, any closing thoughts you ready

1098
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 1: for next year? He's thinking about it. We're gonna do

1099
01:06:35,120 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: anything different next year. I hope it's the same place. Yeah,

1100
01:06:40,200 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: m m yeah, same outcome, I hope. Yeah, plenty of bears.

1101
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 1: Well there should be. Dad closing thoughts. Good good hunt,

1102
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:58,720
Speaker 1: beautiful photo mm hmm. Colby, No, I'm just glad to

1103
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 1: be able to participate this year. Yeah, yeah, well it

1104
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,080
Speaker 1: really was good. I got to meet a lot of

1105
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: new cool people and yeah, just have a good bear camp.

1106
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:17,480
Speaker 1: Good bear camp. Well, all right, we are We're gonna

1107
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: do the kids are going to continue to do some

1108
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 1: hunt in this afternoon, and then I'm gonna be hunting

1109
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: National Forest, so I haven't really hunted this weekend. I've

1110
01:07:26,080 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: just been kind of chauffeur and people and skinning bears.

1111
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,040
Speaker 1: That's the main thing I'm That's what I'm good at,

1112
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: just skinning bears. That's all get some practice in yep.

1113
01:07:37,600 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 1: But uh, you know, they say, James, they say that

1114
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:46,720
Speaker 1: bear grease helps us and hands and stuff, and you

1115
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:50,280
Speaker 1: mine and yours, particularly our hands are I kind of

1116
01:07:50,320 --> 01:07:52,800
Speaker 1: have a nice sheen on my hands right now from

1117
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 1: all the bear oil it's been on them. It kind

1118
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 1: of makes you feel good. I feel more sturized. I

1119
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 1: think it's like rocket fuel for your soul to have

1120
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: your fingernails just full of bear grease. Yeah, m hmmm,

1121
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 1: Well I appreciate it. Guys. Keep the wild place as

1122
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:13,920
Speaker 1: wild because that's where the bears live. Ye