Speaker 1: Everybody.
Speaker 2: This is Melissa would health uh, Melissa would Tepperberg. I
Speaker 2: know Melissa. My recollection of you, Melissa is being at Marquis,
Speaker 2: I think on Halloween in a costume and just like
Speaker 2: saying I had a good costume.
Speaker 1: That one year. That was my Marilyn Monroe year.
Speaker 2: So I feel like, and I've known Noah, I can't
Speaker 2: your husband. I don't know how long i've known him.
Speaker 2: I have to have known him for thirty years easily,
Speaker 2: there's yeah, it has to be thirty years. But so
Speaker 2: I was there, which was also rare because I don't
Speaker 2: go out that much even back then. And I was
Speaker 2: at Marquis and I was wearing a marily mon Roe costume,
Speaker 2: and I definitely feel like I looked good and I
Speaker 2: saw Noah, and I feel like that's the first time
Speaker 2: he reduced me to you in a formal way. I
Speaker 2: could be wrong, but I feel like that's when you
Speaker 2: and I really like met and talked for a minute,
Speaker 2: and you were maybe cocktail waitressing.
Speaker 3: We weren't dating when I was cocktail waitressing, so then
Speaker 3: maybe I'm mixing stories. Were you cocktail waitressing when I
Speaker 3: met you? I feel like I met you as a waitress,
Speaker 3: because he wouldn't have told me you were a waitress.
Speaker 1: So I feel like I met you as a waitress.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. No, you could have, because I
Speaker 3: literally met everyone when I was cocktail waitressing. But I
Speaker 3: would remember. I think what he was saying is she
Speaker 3: used to cocktail waitress here. That's how we met. But
Speaker 3: when we started dating, I was no longer cocktail waitressing
Speaker 3: or working for him.
Speaker 2: So you were working for him as a cocktail waitress.
Speaker 2: And then what did you go to do when you
Speaker 2: got together?
Speaker 1: Like, how did that?
Speaker 2: I don't remember how that all happened, but I do, Yes,
Speaker 2: I do think I met you as someone with him,
Speaker 2: but it didn't seem like serious serious when I met you.
Speaker 3: It was probably like the very very beginning.
Speaker 2: Okay, great, So what happened You were working there and
Speaker 2: tell me the.
Speaker 1: Story from your perspective.
Speaker 3: Well, I was working there for years. I was working
Speaker 3: four nights a week, cockta waitressing at night, and then
Speaker 3: during the day I would get up early go to casting.
Speaker 3: It was like my days were insane. I like, think back,
Speaker 3: and I really don't know how I did it because
Speaker 3: I was just burning the candle at both ends. And
Speaker 3: exactly right. Isn't it amazing? Like how you.
Speaker 1: Were young, this is what it was. Yeah, and you
Speaker 1: had work ethics right.
Speaker 3: And I would also wake up before I even had
Speaker 3: castings and work out for an hour, like it was
Speaker 3: just unreal the lifestyle that I lived. But it just
Speaker 3: got to the point where I started making real money modeling,
Speaker 3: and I just, you know, cocktail waitressing and working in
Speaker 3: night life for a very long time can just it's
Speaker 3: really hard. It's so hard on you, not just physically
Speaker 3: but mentally. And I so I left and I started
Speaker 3: modeling full time. And that was like, you know, I
Speaker 3: had a boyfriend, like I was dating someone at the time,
Speaker 3: and Noah and I were always just friendly, but we
Speaker 3: weren't even really friends. It was more just I looked
Speaker 3: at him as my boss, you know. And then I,
Speaker 3: you know, my ex and I broke up. And you
Speaker 3: know how Noah is, he invites you to all the
Speaker 3: things event and it's great. You know, I knew a
Speaker 3: lot of people, so it was so comfortable and it
Speaker 3: was never anything. And then I think, just slowly over time,
Speaker 3: when you stop saying things like I would never you know,
Speaker 3: because I for me, I just you see people one way,
Speaker 3: and I think that stands in a lot of people's
Speaker 3: way of keeping options open because you just never know.
Speaker 3: But we're so quick to judge a situation on what
Speaker 3: we think we know. Someone asks, and I can own
Speaker 3: that one hundred percent that I did that, and that's true.
Speaker 3: It just blocked anything, you know that.
Speaker 2: I was a cocktail waitress also, and this is interesting,
Speaker 2: I'm realizing this in real time. So I was a
Speaker 2: cocktail waitress in Boston at M eighty working for Seth Greenberg, who,
Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, was one of Noah and his
Speaker 2: partner Jason's mentors.
Speaker 1: Because did Noah go to school in.
Speaker 2: Boston or no no j Okay, So this guy, Seth Greenberg,
Speaker 2: who was sort of the king of Boston the way
Speaker 2: that Noah and Jason have been like the king of
Speaker 2: New York in nightlife in many ways and now in
Speaker 2: other cities.
Speaker 1: That guy I.
Speaker 2: Worked for him. So you and I went through the
Speaker 2: same right of passage. Interestingly enough, I was a cocktail
Speaker 2: waitress too, and I have a wine brand called Forever
Speaker 2: Young because the last song that Seth would play every
Speaker 2: night at M eighty and Paradise was Forever Young. So
Speaker 2: it has runic. Yeah, so there's like a lot of
Speaker 2: funny stories back then. But yes, so okay, so I
Speaker 2: have met you and then I met you other times
Speaker 2: and we know each other not like friends, but we're
Speaker 2: friendly and I respect Noah and his work ethic and
Speaker 2: so it must be a very I don't want to
Speaker 2: say intense, but like that house has two people in
Speaker 2: it that are really like going for it at all times.
Speaker 1: I would say, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean, Like you have two you have
Speaker 2: two peacocks in your house, which is interesting.
Speaker 3: Right, we do, and both we're all fire signs in
Speaker 3: my house and my kids are fire signs, so we're Wow,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of heat heat. And yes, you know,
Speaker 3: we're very much both very strong personalities. We're both bosses.
Speaker 3: But I think the thing that works so well is
Speaker 3: that we have so much respect and love and admiration
Speaker 3: for each other and we really let each other do
Speaker 3: our thing where that's the only way that it can
Speaker 3: work for us. You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And well, your husband is he likes entrepreneurial spirit
Speaker 2: in other people. He respects it, he nods it, he
Speaker 2: feeds off of it, he wants to hear from it,
Speaker 2: like you know, there's never been a time that he
Speaker 2: would not return a phone call of mine. Not because
Speaker 2: he doesn't like me, and I know he likes me,
Speaker 2: but I just mean, like he knows that I'm a
Speaker 2: hustler too, Like we come from the same sort of
Speaker 2: breed of animal, and so he always wants to hear
Speaker 2: whatever the hell I'm saying, pitching or just like pick
Speaker 2: up the phone, just because you never know what you're
Speaker 2: gonna get, so always Yeah, so you, I but you're
Speaker 2: at a different stage in your career. I mean, he's
Speaker 2: still always hustling, but you you were in a late
Speaker 2: bloomer in your age, but a late bloomer in our sphere.
Speaker 2: So tell me how that all went down. I didn't
Speaker 2: know you were modeling.
Speaker 1: It makes sense.
Speaker 2: You're beautiful, so you were modeling, you were casting, you
Speaker 2: were trying to make a living in New York. Where
Speaker 2: were you from? Did you come from any means or no?
Speaker 3: I mean I grew up. I grew up in a
Speaker 3: broken home in Syracuse. My parents' divorce when I was
Speaker 3: really young, and it was just a constant, you know.
Speaker 3: I lived with the survival energy of just trying to
Speaker 3: make ends meet. So I think just that energy. Growing
Speaker 3: up with that and being I have four sisters, so
Speaker 3: being the middle child of the five of us, I
Speaker 3: really stepped in young to help bring as much more
Speaker 3: like peace into my home. I recognize. I mean I
Speaker 3: literally remember being seven years old and seeing that my
Speaker 3: mom was really overwhelmed. So I really took I took
Speaker 3: it under my own way to just do everything that
Speaker 3: I could. Like I was always cleaning, I was always
Speaker 3: telling my sisters what to do. I was really bossy,
Speaker 3: and they couldn't stand me, to be honest, And it's
Speaker 3: funny because I think back at that time, I look
Speaker 3: at what I'm doing now, and I never thought that
Speaker 3: this was possible for me. I grew up with that
Speaker 3: mentality that you know, the car that you are handed
Speaker 3: is that's it. And some are lucky, some are not lucky,
Speaker 3: but like you do whatever you can to stay afloat.
Speaker 3: And I think just growing up and knowing that so young,
Speaker 3: that always lived with me. So I mean, since I
Speaker 3: can remember, I've I've had a job. It was like
Speaker 3: this second someone would hire for me. I worked at
Speaker 3: a farm picking strawberries, and then I worked in a
Speaker 3: pizza shop, and then the second I was old enough
Speaker 3: to work in a department store. I was hired and
Speaker 3: I worked in the hardware department of all things. They
Speaker 3: didn't know anything, and then they brought me over to
Speaker 3: the cosmetic counter because they were like, we feel like
Speaker 3: this is a better fit for you. And I've just
Speaker 3: always had it in me to take care of myself,
Speaker 3: but not just for myself, for my siblings and to
Speaker 3: help my mom. And I mean to this day that
Speaker 3: never leaves you, right, And I think that that is
Speaker 3: the thing that really gave me this fire inside that
Speaker 3: whenever I start to doubt myself or just feel like
Speaker 3: it's too much, which happens right, Like it's right, I
Speaker 3: can get so heavy and you're just like, why am
Speaker 3: I doing this? What am I doing? Like? Can I
Speaker 3: can I make my life easier and just not be
Speaker 3: so ambitious? Right, Like there's a part of me that
Speaker 3: sometimes is like I need to just take a step
Speaker 3: back and be okay with what is right now and
Speaker 3: not always look for the next thing. But you know,
Speaker 3: my spirit really thrives, and I think we as humans
Speaker 3: thrive off the evolution of our soul and who we
Speaker 3: really are and who we came here to be.
Speaker 2: But you're still also in the climb. You will hit
Speaker 2: a point. You will hit a point, and you will
Speaker 2: know when you hit the precipice. And based on what
Speaker 2: you're saying now, because I recognize it and recognizing that
Speaker 2: you had money noise and it's just in your body,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter that Noah was successful, like you were
Speaker 2: going to do what you were going to do, which
Speaker 2: is also more admirable because when you get with somebody
Speaker 2: who's successful and you're a beautiful woman, like you could
Speaker 2: have just chilled and you went harder. But based on
Speaker 2: everything you're saying, I know that feeling like you want
Speaker 2: to get off the ride sometimes, like you just like
Speaker 2: want to get off the ride and the ride's going
Speaker 2: and the machine's too big, and you owe yourself to
Speaker 2: so many people and the obligations. But there will be
Speaker 2: a time when you start to like think that you
Speaker 2: want to kind of exit or semi retire. You want
Speaker 2: to only take all you want to take everything off.
Speaker 2: That's not something you really want to do. And I
Speaker 2: mean even like Tuesday, No I don't want to go there. No,
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that photoshoot.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: It's either giving me philanthropy, or it's giving me so
Speaker 2: much money I can't turn it down, or it's something
Speaker 2: so different, or I'm laughing, but like it will get
Speaker 2: more honed, and then that's really the sweet spot because
Speaker 2: that's when everything will flood in in a way that
Speaker 2: is so upside down, because that's when like more opportunities
Speaker 2: will come because you have hit the financial precipice though
Speaker 2: like I did it precipice, and then you're really literally
Speaker 2: living completely only doing what you want and then everything
Speaker 2: will fly and it's very strange, but it will happen
Speaker 2: to someone like you for sure, and you're probably not
Speaker 2: that far away from it.
Speaker 1: But it's good to know that that will happen.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's I feel it now right, I've gotten
Speaker 3: So it's just you know, when you're doing things that
Speaker 3: are just not aligned, it's like this something that you
Speaker 3: feel where you're like, oh, before stretch, I'm so dune
Speaker 3: doing that like those things. I'm but listen, I stretch
Speaker 3: myself with certain things. With work. I'm very passionate. I'm
Speaker 3: passionate about what I do. I love what I do.
Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean that when it's coming in from
Speaker 3: all of these different directions. It's still like I'm still
Speaker 3: really learning how to manage it all. It's yes, it's
Speaker 3: so much, and I and and to also, I think
Speaker 3: just piggyback off what you mentioned of. You know, I
Speaker 3: understand how people make assumptions about me and believe that
Speaker 3: the reason I am in the position I am is
Speaker 3: because of my husband. And oh dude, well, I don't
Speaker 3: know that everybody even knows your whole story. So let's
Speaker 3: before we get into that, because it's fair that I
Speaker 3: don't know that everybody knows exactly who you are and
Speaker 3: what you do. So to me, you are a woman
Speaker 3: who really popped off in the pandemic, but you had
Speaker 3: started before then, but at home, working out was really critical,
Speaker 3: and you stopped drinking. Health became more and more important
Speaker 3: to you, and you wanted to communicate and convey that,
Speaker 3: and you just hit and struck and you ran with
Speaker 3: it and now have created a real business and become
Speaker 3: you know, publicly relevant and sports illustrated and like you
Speaker 3: have subscribers and you have a cult following, and so
Speaker 3: that's how I see it. And yeah, you happen to
Speaker 3: have a partner who's successful in an entirely different industry.
Speaker 3: But everybody that I know that's in the club business
Speaker 3: that Mary's a model. She's not doing what you're doing respectfully.
Speaker 3: And you know, I don't think he would have probably
Speaker 3: cared either way, but he probably is a cheerleader.
Speaker 2: That's how I see it from the outside end. So
Speaker 2: you can correct me if any of that's wrong or
Speaker 2: off all of it's wrong.
Speaker 3: No, I think it's important. Like you said to maybe
Speaker 3: no one, I mean, that's that, that's the truth. And
Speaker 3: I you know, I got into this work because I
Speaker 3: had a horrible relationship with myself, all of those feelings
Speaker 3: of trying to keep everything together in your home at
Speaker 3: a young age and then bringing that energy into you know, adulthood.
Speaker 3: Moving to New York when I was in my early
Speaker 3: twenties on my own, drove a U haul here with
Speaker 3: a friend on a whim. I literally walked into Bloomingdale's
Speaker 3: one weekend. When I came to New York for the
Speaker 3: first time. I've never been to the city. My friend
Speaker 3: was off interviewing for jobs, so I was learning the city.
Speaker 3: I knew nothing. I mean, we didn't travel much. We
Speaker 3: went to Canada for family a couple family trips. We
Speaker 3: couldn't ford to like get on a plane and go
Speaker 3: see the world. So for me, it was like coming
Speaker 3: to New York for the first time was like my
Speaker 3: eyes opened and saw things in a way like it
Speaker 3: was like this electricity a life and I was like,
Speaker 3: what is this is insane and I just was vibrating
Speaker 3: on a different frequency the second my feet hit the
Speaker 3: floor when I got out of the car and I
Speaker 3: walked into blooming Dills and this is I was such
Speaker 3: a small town girl. I mean. One of the makeup
Speaker 3: artists asked me if they could do my makeup, and
Speaker 3: I was like, I work at Chanelle and Sarah c
Speaker 3: was like, this is so funny that you're like literally
Speaker 3: like ask everyone to do their makeup. I said that
Speaker 3: he did my makeup and then he was like, we're
Speaker 3: interviewing for a position, and I was like, I'll interview,
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I was so it was just like
Speaker 3: so green, you know, that's so good though, That's such
Speaker 3: a good excitement. I was so excited, and I went
Speaker 3: to Marquis that night. I didn't know Noah at this point.
Speaker 3: I went to Marquis that night, stayed out until like
Speaker 3: four in the morning. I had an interview hours later.
Speaker 3: I had no idea, Like it was like, what did
Speaker 3: I think I was doing interviewing? I had no idea
Speaker 3: how it was going to move to New York. I
Speaker 3: had three jobs back home, my family, and I didn't
Speaker 3: know anyone here, and I did. I got the job.
Speaker 3: I went home. I was dating someone at the time,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I'm moving to New York and
Speaker 3: I just I don't know how, but somehow, some way,
Speaker 3: I moved here. I drove two weeks later, stayed in
Speaker 3: someone's apartment, and then got a tiny little apartment and
Speaker 3: it it's I think the interesting thing is like once
Speaker 3: you move away from it all, and I remember so vividly,
Speaker 3: just like getting into my bedroom that was definitely a closet.
Speaker 3: There is no way these differentions, like I could fit
Speaker 3: like a cop bed in there, and I just remember
Speaker 3: it all like everything I had pushed down for all
Speaker 3: of these years like hit me. And it was like
Speaker 3: this wave of I didn't know it was anxiety or
Speaker 3: that I had really been anxious my whole life, but
Speaker 3: it was really heavy and really strong. So I made
Speaker 3: up my mission to run from that feeling and to
Speaker 3: do anything and everything to cover it. Up to mask
Speaker 3: it so I didn't have to feel that, and you know,
Speaker 3: which led to eventually getting a job at Marquee and
Speaker 3: then I started modeling, and just the mode of comparison
Speaker 3: in that world is so intense when you were insecure,
Speaker 3: it just swallows you. And it deeply did that for me,
Speaker 3: and I, you know, thought the only way that I
Speaker 3: could possibly be enough or book all the jobs was
Speaker 3: to make being skinny my goal in life and just
Speaker 3: fitting into the size and the mold of being a model.
Speaker 3: And at that time when I was modeling, it was,
Speaker 3: you know, models were very very thin. You were asked
Speaker 3: to lose weight by your agents if you were a
Speaker 3: certain even I mean I was like a four to
Speaker 3: six and they said to me, like, you could go
Speaker 3: on the plus side, spoort. I swear to you, I
Speaker 3: would say small for six. And you know that tears
Speaker 3: away you when you don't have the foundation and the
Speaker 3: bones within yourself to stand up against that. And I didn't.
Speaker 1: Most don't.
Speaker 2: I had Aaron Spelling's casting director Tony tell me I
Speaker 2: need those like six to eight pounds in la just
Speaker 2: to be try to be an actress for an Aaron
Speaker 2: Spelling show, and that was shocking. Like that just was
Speaker 2: like it's just like someone was It doesn't matter the number,
Speaker 2: but someone decided a number to tell you how not
Speaker 2: good enough you were. And it's not even acceptable in modeling.
Speaker 2: But at least they have some framework they think they're
Speaker 2: working off of from sample size.
Speaker 1: This is like to act. It was like, what the
Speaker 1: hell you know? So I get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone who's in an authority position is telling you
Speaker 2: that you're not going to be successful because there's so
Speaker 2: many other girls. So you were like obsessed with your
Speaker 2: weight and what partying and doing drugs or like what
Speaker 2: was that?
Speaker 1: So?
Speaker 3: I was you know, I was counting every calorie I
Speaker 3: would write. I would write down everything I ate. I
Speaker 3: was working out in a very tortuous way. I thought
Speaker 3: the only way that I could see results was with
Speaker 3: at least an hour of cardioon an hour of strength training.
Speaker 3: And was just like beating myself into the ground and
Speaker 3: then binge drinking at night and starving, binge cheating after. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was just like the cycle.
Speaker 1: Yep, I was living the same cycle. I remember.
Speaker 2: I'd go to Marquis, I'd come home drunk and single
Speaker 2: and alone. I'd go down to the deli, shovel everything in.
Speaker 2: Then I just wouldn't eat for days. You know, I
Speaker 2: get that the cycle of that, and it is emotional.
Speaker 2: It's an emotional time. It's you're a young woman, you broke,
Speaker 2: you don't know what the hell is going to happen
Speaker 2: to you. You don't really have a safety net, and
Speaker 2: you're just sort of like on some bizarre habitrail with
Speaker 2: not really a big support system.
Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: And it just got to the point where I I
Speaker 3: hit my rock bottom.
Speaker 1: And how old did you hit rock bottom?
Speaker 3: I was mid twenties and.
Speaker 2: What so what was rock bottom? Where did you go
Speaker 2: after rock bottom?
Speaker 3: I mean I had been like up all night drinking,
Speaker 3: sun was coming up, binging. I was bollimic, so exact
Speaker 3: cycle of you know, going to a deli or the
Speaker 3: pizza shop next to me that was open, and even
Speaker 3: basking robins, just literally anything I could get my hands on,
Speaker 3: and I just I remember it was like when you're
Speaker 3: trying to force yourself to do that, it's painful and
Speaker 3: it just broke me. And I remember just looking myself
Speaker 3: in the mirror and just thinking how disgusting I was,
Speaker 3: and like this way, like just everything was discussing. I
Speaker 3: hated myself and I was so done living this way
Speaker 3: where I just felt like I can't do this anymore.
Speaker 3: But I mean I was on my knees literally praying
Speaker 3: like please help me, like show me any signs. And
Speaker 3: you know you hear these stories all the time, but
Speaker 3: it was so vivid for me where I saw this.
Speaker 3: It was like this road and it was there were
Speaker 3: there were two roads, and it's like you can carry
Speaker 3: down this way of life. I know. And it's so
Speaker 3: crazy because I saw no one and I were staying
Speaker 3: in Vegas in a hotel room and there was this picture.
Speaker 3: I took a picture. I posted it because I was like,
Speaker 3: that is what I saw. It was like a tree
Speaker 3: with two roads, and I just it was like you
Speaker 3: can carry on down this path of mass destruction, just
Speaker 3: tearing everything apart in your path. And I also had,
Speaker 3: you know, I very quick on the tongue, could just
Speaker 3: say things to boyfriends and people in my life that
Speaker 3: I'm not proud of.
Speaker 1: But I had know you saying you were a little mean.
Speaker 3: I was really reactive.
Speaker 2: Well I'm going somewhere with this because I don't know
Speaker 2: if you heard me talk about this. My mother passed
Speaker 2: away recently, so I think I was seven years old
Speaker 2: the first time I caught my mother throwing up and
Speaker 2: she and it would happen repeatedly, and she would always
Speaker 2: say to me, don't tell your stepfather because he'll be worried.
Speaker 1: I just don't feel well. He'll be scared.
Speaker 2: And that incided with a massive caddy, a plastic caddy
Speaker 2: with drawers that had like every version of every U supository, laxative, everything,
Speaker 2: And it was a lifestyle to be in the car
Speaker 2: with her and her have to like stop the car
Speaker 2: and say it was because of the coffee, and she
Speaker 2: had to go use the bathroom.
Speaker 1: And my entire life, her entire life, I don't know what.
Speaker 1: I think it's heart.
Speaker 2: When she was sixteen, moved to New York from Long
Speaker 2: Island from Massapequa to be an actress. And she was
Speaker 2: stunningly beautiful and fucked up house. What way more like
Speaker 2: crazy abuse? Now what you're describing in your house, I'm
Speaker 2: not comparing. I'm saying like insane, like her brother held
Speaker 2: a shock gun to his father get his father from
Speaker 2: beating his mother. But her whole entire life, she was
Speaker 2: a beliemic, never once. I mean, my whole life was
Speaker 2: every single meal, her being in the bathroom for two
Speaker 2: hours and me never wanting her to go to a
Speaker 2: friend's house or go to a school or go anywhere,
Speaker 2: like me walking on eggshells because of the throwing up
Speaker 2: and the panic and like what the bathroom's gonna be
Speaker 2: like and her eyes are gonna be like and you know,
Speaker 2: it's a very self loathing, self destructive disease because of
Speaker 2: what you're discussing. And so this was think about this
Speaker 2: for seventy plus years, sixty years and never admitted it,
Speaker 2: to the point where we'd be on vacation together and
Speaker 2: I would be like this beliem mea cop up until
Speaker 2: I was in my teens in high school and college
Speaker 2: and like following her like a crazy person, and like
Speaker 2: you could never get her to admit it, and it
Speaker 2: would never. She would she would like, I mean, in
Speaker 2: the bathroom for two hours, and she would yell at
Speaker 2: every waiter for things not being exactly runny and the
Speaker 2: way they're supposed to be, and she would yell at everybody,
Speaker 2: and she would smash the entire house.
Speaker 1: And she was also an alcoholic and so like.
Speaker 2: The slice of like I have seen the road that
Speaker 2: you did not take like I have lived the road
Speaker 2: as like that was my mother's child. Yeah, so it's
Speaker 2: insane because you chose something that's extremely self loathing that
Speaker 2: you were doing, and then you could to get out
Speaker 2: of it is impossible because it's not like you're taking
Speaker 2: away alcohol what you've done in your life. You're taking
Speaker 2: away something that's in your life all the time.
Speaker 1: It's food.
Speaker 2: You have to have a relationship with food, which you
Speaker 2: now do. And you talk about health and we can
Speaker 2: get into that, but I'm just saying it's very it's
Speaker 2: a different type of thing because it is there and
Speaker 2: it's tempting and you're emotional and you want to eat something,
Speaker 2: and then you can eat more. You know, you have
Speaker 2: the tools to get rid of it. And so it's
Speaker 2: really a sick, crazy thing.
Speaker 3: It is. It really is. And I like, I feel
Speaker 3: your pain so deeply because I was, you know, a
Speaker 3: product of that in different forms growing up, but then
Speaker 3: I was becoming that too, and I saw it like
Speaker 3: I saw it so clearly, and I just knew in
Speaker 3: that moment or there's this other road you can take
Speaker 3: that's scary as hell. I don't know, but I can
Speaker 3: choose different like I can choose different things to cope,
Speaker 3: because I think I started to just see like these
Speaker 3: were coping mechanisms, these were the tools that I had
Speaker 3: adapted over the years because I was living in survival mode,
Speaker 3: and I it was like, just like that moment, I
Speaker 3: was like, I'm asking for help because I didn't know
Speaker 3: what to do, truly, And I remember calling a friend
Speaker 3: asking for her therapist information. And I think the moment
Speaker 3: you surrender to thinking that it's your strength that's going
Speaker 3: to get you through every and like that was me
Speaker 3: my whole life, Like I'm like, I've got this, I
Speaker 3: can do this. I can work at the farm, and
Speaker 3: I can get the money for the supplies my sister
Speaker 3: needs for school. And it was like that was my
Speaker 3: whole life feeling that way. And I think I always
Speaker 3: thought I could handle everything and I could take care
Speaker 3: of everything that's.
Speaker 2: From the outside. Though that's like attacking a problem that's
Speaker 2: not like from the inside, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I get that too, And you're right, I was going
Speaker 2: down the same role. I wasn't going down the same
Speaker 2: road because I never made myself throw up, but controlling
Speaker 2: by like going out being mad at myself, drinking, eating,
Speaker 2: feeling gross and then not eating for a couple of
Speaker 2: days and starting all over again. I didn't have a
Speaker 2: good relationship with food, which was how I wrote my
Speaker 2: book Naturally Thin and became a natural food chef.
Speaker 1: So we have some similarities.
Speaker 2: So you intervene and you get into therapy, and how
Speaker 2: does that morph into fitness and not drinking and these
Speaker 2: healthy concoctions and this lifestyle that you now.
Speaker 1: Live in.
Speaker 2: And does it ever get tiring to be working out regularly?
Speaker 2: Like for that to be your business, that people expect
Speaker 2: for you to always be exercising, that seems like challenging
Speaker 2: to me. I think I've met Tracy Anderson and she
Speaker 2: used to say, like people should be working at six
Speaker 2: days a week. And I think I got into like
Speaker 2: a very friendly argument or on my talk show, I
Speaker 2: was like, what you know so? And I sometimes think
Speaker 2: about you or think about her, and I'm like, what
Speaker 2: is she just decide She's like doesn't want to work
Speaker 2: out anymore. It's just wants to like walk.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I just think about it because it's like a lot
Speaker 2: to get on the mat every day do with the
Speaker 2: stuff you do. I don't do that ever I walk maximum.
Speaker 2: So I want to hear about like that whole journey
Speaker 2: and all and the pressure and all that.
Speaker 3: I'm so glad you asked about it and and your
Speaker 3: perspective because it's really important. So after like really doing
Speaker 3: the work, and like when I say that, I mean
Speaker 3: getting really honest with myself, which is really hard to do.
Speaker 3: And I think people think they're doing that, but they're not.
Speaker 3: And I feel as if just this entire journey is
Speaker 3: I'm so radically transparent with myself and that's what has
Speaker 3: helped me continue to just I think, stay on this
Speaker 3: path of internal growth because I you know, stay with
Speaker 3: therapy because that has really helped me just let it
Speaker 3: all out in a safe space where you're not dumping
Speaker 3: on every single person in your life. But also, you know,
Speaker 3: I had a horrible relationship to food, but over time
Speaker 3: healing my relationship to myself, I really realized it was
Speaker 3: never the food, it was how I felt about me.
Speaker 3: I looked at the mirror and it all really really
Speaker 3: shifted when I started meditating. That was when it was
Speaker 3: everything slowly, very very slowly. I started to see everything differently.
Speaker 3: The most important thing I saw differently was myself. I
Speaker 3: became so much more compassionate and loving and kind and
Speaker 3: empathetic towards everything I had gone through, towards who I
Speaker 3: was you know today, And that shifted the way that
Speaker 3: I started doing everything, the way that I was moving
Speaker 3: my body. I started moving like I love myself like.
Speaker 3: It's really amazing what happens when you're not beating yourself
Speaker 3: up or going through a workout because of what you
Speaker 3: ate the night before, torturing yourself. Fear based I call
Speaker 3: that fear based exercise. Yes, fear based exercise. I did
Speaker 3: it for years, and the crazy thing is I didn't
Speaker 3: get to a happy place within myself. I actually gained
Speaker 3: weight same living That weight was fight or flight, No,
Speaker 3: one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: That's what I tried to explain to people because it's
Speaker 2: the same thing I was trying to explain to you
Speaker 2: about business before. When you're white knuckling and holding onto everything. Yes,
Speaker 2: when people are broke, they have to work their asses
Speaker 2: off and you have to get there. And I used
Speaker 2: to have a five hundred dollars car with the crack
Speaker 2: windshield and I was up twenty four hours and that
Speaker 2: was that. But once you hit, if you're still white
Speaker 2: knuckling and you're like desperate about work.
Speaker 1: It won't work.
Speaker 2: You have to like sort of allow for things not
Speaker 2: to happen and like let the blood flow in it.
Speaker 2: And it's the same thing with relationship to food. I
Speaker 2: feel the exact same way when when I was on
Speaker 2: a diet and everything I.
Speaker 1: Had to be steamed and we had all these rules.
Speaker 2: That's when you were, you know, twenty thirty pounds heavier
Speaker 2: because you just had a terrible relationship with it. It's
Speaker 2: like something toxic. You're holding onto it. It won't your body,
Speaker 2: your energy, it won't allow you to just have a
Speaker 2: normal relationship with food. And exercise, by the way, people
Speaker 2: have a bad People go exercise like crazy so they
Speaker 2: can eat, and then you're on another version of a treadmill.
Speaker 2: I'm exercising or I have to go exercise because quote unquote.
Speaker 1: I was bad.
Speaker 2: You're not bad, you weren't good. It's just it's not
Speaker 2: your best friend or your enemy.
Speaker 3: It is food.
Speaker 2: So I think that part of exercise people have to
Speaker 2: have a good relationship with it and they have to
Speaker 2: be able to just like do it because it's working
Speaker 2: for them if they can. But if they can't you know,
Speaker 2: some people are obsessed and running, obsessed about they're gonna
Speaker 2: go on vacation because of their workouts.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna enjoy it. They don't want to go
Speaker 1: to this.
Speaker 2: Office, this hotel in a business hotel because they're not
Speaker 2: gonna have a gym, Like people get crazy. So I
Speaker 2: feel like that can also be very noisy for people
Speaker 2: if not managed to food.
Speaker 1: The food and the exercise, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, it just increases your cortisol, like your stress levels
Speaker 3: are through the roof. And I was that person, so
Speaker 3: I know how that way of life feels to live,
Speaker 3: and it is heavy and it's daunting, and it's not enjoyable.
Speaker 3: It's just not So Once I started meditating, and then
Speaker 3: I started moving and combining the two forms of exercise
Speaker 3: that I liked, but there were to me, there were
Speaker 3: things within both of them that I wanted different, Like
Speaker 3: I wanted yoga to have way more flow, and I
Speaker 3: wanted pilates to feel less like here's this move. Stop.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I don't like about pilates. Yeah, calisthenics
Speaker 2: to me, So I.
Speaker 3: Started blending them and literally moving in a way that
Speaker 3: my body had never really moved before with the combination
Speaker 3: of the two, and I started setting up my phone
Speaker 3: like I had an iPod or a tripod from Amazon.
Speaker 3: I had no lighting, no sound, but I started sharing
Speaker 3: these little things, like what it was like to wake
Speaker 3: up in the morning and not reach for your phone
Speaker 3: first thing, or have coffee first thing in the morning,
Speaker 3: and actually take a moment to be with your breath,
Speaker 3: to be with what is in your life, which we're
Speaker 3: all running from. We're running from ourselves, running from our
Speaker 3: feelings and our thoughts and the things and the list
Speaker 3: that we have to manage because it's a lot. But
Speaker 3: I started to really understand and learn that when I
Speaker 3: could actually bring myself into a place where I could
Speaker 3: tap into my parasympathetic nervous system, which helps us. I
Speaker 3: think of it as like the peaceful state where you
Speaker 3: can rest and digest. And by the way, I had
Speaker 3: cystoic acnea all over my face while I started this journey,
Speaker 3: which was a massquest to get to the bottom of that.
Speaker 3: Because I had tried accutate. I saw every single doctor,
Speaker 3: top dermatologist and was just told I needed to do
Speaker 3: a second round. Meanwhile knowing that what that pill was
Speaker 3: doing to destroy the microbiome and was horrible for my
Speaker 3: enter system. Like I was just like, not adding up.
Speaker 3: There has to be a different way. And I slowly
Speaker 3: started to discover through my practice there was a different way,
Speaker 3: and I started to feel really good and I was
Speaker 3: living in a state of contentment and joy within myself
Speaker 3: that I was like, it was so contagious that I
Speaker 3: had no idea how or what I was doing when
Speaker 3: I was sharing it, but I knew there was something
Speaker 3: greater than me that said you have to share this,
Speaker 3: You have to share the simplicity. So to go back
Speaker 3: to what you were saying about, does it ever feel heavy?
Speaker 3: Do I feel like it's too much to exercise? Truly consistently?
Speaker 3: Not one day have I ever felt that from doing
Speaker 3: this for almost a decade. And I'll tell you why.
Speaker 3: Because the way that I started sharing this work was
Speaker 3: using what you have available to you, no longer feeling
Speaker 3: like you need all of the things to get something in,
Speaker 3: and taking the time that you have and using that
Speaker 3: getting something in. It was more about just squeezing it in.
Speaker 3: You know, I had had Benjamin at this time and
Speaker 3: would have him in the bouncy chair, and I you know,
Speaker 3: he'd be like sleeping in the chair and I would
Speaker 3: get like a fifteen minute full body in and I
Speaker 3: was great for the day. And I started to realize
Speaker 3: that my connection to exercise was physically focused for all
Speaker 3: of those years, But what I didn't really connect to
Speaker 3: until I started meditating was that this was strength my
Speaker 3: mind in ways I didn't connect the two, and in return,
Speaker 3: like the icing and the bonus on the cake, was
Speaker 3: physically being in the best shape of my entire freaking life.
Speaker 3: So I mean, I did all those things that you
Speaker 3: were saying the hour of this the six seven, feeling
Speaker 3: like it needs to be this heavy thing in order
Speaker 3: to see results, and I'm here to tell you and
Speaker 3: why I am. So it's like this gets me out
Speaker 3: of bed in the morning because I'm like, no, it
Speaker 3: doesn't have to be that way. And it's not about
Speaker 3: I have to exercise today. It's that I get to
Speaker 3: I get to move my body in this way. And
Speaker 3: I know damn well what it feels like to hate myself,
Speaker 3: to feel like shit, to not want to get out
Speaker 3: of bed, to not want to carry on. So exercise
Speaker 3: is something that has given me life, and it's shown
Speaker 3: me my own beauty and help me see things in
Speaker 3: life that I've never been able to see, so I
Speaker 3: don't look at it in that way anymore. And this
Speaker 3: is this is medicine for my mind and my body,
Speaker 3: and it has given me so much strength to do
Speaker 3: all of the things that I'm doing. And it's it's
Speaker 3: just revealed something to me that I think is so
Speaker 3: important to just emphasize for all of these, you know,
Speaker 3: the generations to come, all of the younger generations, the
Speaker 3: ones before us, that there's a different way of doing
Speaker 3: things and it doesn't have to fit into this mold
Speaker 3: that we've been told for so many years by some
Speaker 3: of the you know, the most thought after professionals in
Speaker 3: the space of fitness. And that's how I was able to,
Speaker 3: you know, slowly start sharing on Instagram. And then it
Speaker 3: just got to the point where I was like, I
Speaker 3: need a home base, like I need somewhere people can
Speaker 3: go to. And I, you know, I built my first site.
Speaker 3: I built a subscription business. I built a paywall behind
Speaker 3: the website. It was janky, it wasn't great, but I
Speaker 3: did it. And I just started building this community. And
Speaker 3: it was through the connection of really listening and understanding
Speaker 3: what people wanted to really be broken down in how
Speaker 3: to way for not just like me showing my life
Speaker 3: in the way. I was like, how can you do
Speaker 3: that too?
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm picking up the most. I used
Speaker 2: to I had a part of I think it was
Speaker 2: naturally thin when it started. Use what you have when
Speaker 2: you can, like do what you can when you can
Speaker 2: use what you have, meaning if it's cooking, it's like
Speaker 2: what's around. And if you're exercising, and like you said,
Speaker 2: if you can only do fifteen minutes or you can
Speaker 2: do ten minutes, or you're stretching, or you're breathing, you're
Speaker 2: taking a walk, that's what you have available to you,
Speaker 2: versus saying, let me just not do anything, which I
Speaker 2: really do Like I.
Speaker 1: Like that and I get that.
Speaker 2: And are you did you start out meditating like on
Speaker 2: an app? Did you go to one of these gurus?
Speaker 2: What do you and how long do you do it for?
Speaker 3: I started. I learned through transcendental meditation. I took a
Speaker 3: weekend workshop and I practiced that way for a very
Speaker 3: long time, but to the point where it started to
Speaker 3: feel because in that model it's very much or philosophy,
Speaker 3: I should say, it's twenty minutes in the morning and
Speaker 3: it's twenty minutes later in the day. That's forty minutes.
Speaker 3: And I think when you hear that, most people run
Speaker 3: check out. It's hard to stay consistent with that. So
Speaker 3: I had discovered through having kids and still knowing that
Speaker 3: this was so important and just being truly devoted to
Speaker 3: this practice because for me it was it was like
Speaker 3: that daily medication and that I was filling my mind
Speaker 3: and my body with. I started to blend different styles,
Speaker 3: and I mean it's still this constant evolution of integrating
Speaker 3: different things. Breathwork, mantra, a little bit of meditative movement,
Speaker 3: and I was blending things in my own way, which
Speaker 3: is kind of I mean what I've always enjoyed, right,
Speaker 3: It's like learning something making it your Yeah, there's no rule.
Speaker 2: And people get intimidated. And you could take I've taken
Speaker 2: those beaded necklaces where it is all these different colored
Speaker 2: beads and they have a tassel for anyone listening, like
Speaker 2: at a yoga class.
Speaker 1: They sell them. You can just take any necklace of yours.
Speaker 2: You could take a rosary bead and like you go
Speaker 2: one bead at a time, like you touch one bead
Speaker 2: and then you take a breath in and out in
Speaker 2: your nose, and then you go to the next bead,
Speaker 2: and then when you hit the tassel like you know,
Speaker 2: and then next time you could go all the way around.
Speaker 2: Or just breathing in and out is meditation. Just breathing
Speaker 2: in and out. And you don't have to be sitting
Speaker 2: up if it's uncomfortable, you can lay down like.
Speaker 1: You could do what you need to do. You could
Speaker 1: be on a bench outside.
Speaker 2: I think people get intimidated by the word meditation when
Speaker 2: it really is just being still present and breathing, and
Speaker 2: you will get distracted, you will think of other things.
Speaker 2: Just do your best to get back to center. I
Speaker 2: think that that's that's the thing exactly.
Speaker 3: That's I think a lot of people, and myself included,
Speaker 3: I used to judge my practice. I would say I
Speaker 3: didn't know that wasn't a good meditation. Oh I didn't
Speaker 3: meditate today, or it wasn't deep enough. And every single
Speaker 3: day is so different. I mean, somebodys are right. That's
Speaker 3: why I have walking meditation, lights up the wall, meditation,
Speaker 3: lying down meditations. I mean I have meditated, and I
Speaker 3: mean airplanes, benches, taxis any bathrooms, Like I before speaking
Speaker 3: or something, I always go into the bathroom.
Speaker 1: I do a little moment.
Speaker 3: But it's just bringing that awareness and that consciousness right
Speaker 3: that we spend a lot of time and energy scrolling
Speaker 3: on Instagram, so instead of doing that right, taking that
Speaker 3: active choice and coming back and just it's like watching
Speaker 3: that inflow and that outflow of breath even for one minute.
Speaker 1: I agree, and it changes.
Speaker 2: Like you could have a delay at an airport and
Speaker 2: you'll notice you react differently based on you're just generally
Speaker 2: how you deal with things. You'll see how your kids like, ah, mom,
Speaker 2: why wait what? And you're just like it is what
Speaker 2: it is, like you're more of just you know, because
Speaker 2: to your point, if you're about to do a speech,
Speaker 2: or if you're going into something, or if you're seeing
Speaker 2: your in laws, or if there's a holiday dinner or some.
Speaker 1: Shit show you've got to deal with.
Speaker 2: It's like taking a steak out of a freezer and
Speaker 2: sticking it out in the sun. Otherwise, like you just
Speaker 2: you sometimes need like to get some equilibrium in between
Speaker 2: things going on, and breathing is a good way to
Speaker 2: do that. Like and yes, sometime at the end of
Speaker 2: the night before you your own a bed, like to
Speaker 2: try to breathe in and out fifteen times. You'll probably
Speaker 2: be asleep by the time you finish. And in the
Speaker 2: morning to try and breathe out, breathe in and out
Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty five times, so it doesn't have to
Speaker 2: be so daunting. I agree with that, and I don't
Speaker 2: always do what I love yoga, but it's just nice
Speaker 2: to know that it's something there that is like a
Speaker 2: nice glass of water when you're thirsty, you could just
Speaker 2: pick it up and like it's right there for you
Speaker 2: because it's in your body.
Speaker 1: So I think that's amazing.
Speaker 2: And does your fam does your family ever feel what
Speaker 2: does Noah ever feel?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Is he fully quote unquote on board? Like if he
Speaker 2: wakes up in the morning and he's always connected and
Speaker 2: he picks up his phone, do you care what he's doing?
Speaker 2: Does it trigger you like does he have to be
Speaker 2: part of this way of life completely?
Speaker 1: Or does he have his own way of life?
Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean, because I'm sure he's
Speaker 2: I've seen him drink your smoothies and like do some
Speaker 2: of it, But I can't imagine he's fully you know,
Speaker 2: Noah would health now, so what is he like about this?
Speaker 3: You know, Noah? He well, I will I will fully
Speaker 3: admit that I tried to control that aspect of him
Speaker 3: and just like, don't do this, do that, and that
Speaker 3: doesn't work. And for anyone listening, the more push and
Speaker 3: pull and force, it's like just rubbing sandpaper together. So
Speaker 3: for me, I think a lot of it was just
Speaker 3: the acceptance of everyone around me, even family life, right,
Speaker 3: Like you want to go home and share all these
Speaker 3: things that help crack you open, and I think, you know,
Speaker 3: people only want to move towards what they're as far
Speaker 3: as they want to. So there was a lot of
Speaker 3: work that had to go into me just letting things be.
Speaker 3: And you know, Noah has really made so many incredible
Speaker 3: changes and shifts on his own. He has his own
Speaker 3: habits that he loves. I mean, are there things he
Speaker 3: still does, of course, But I've learned to nag less
Speaker 3: because I can be a nagger and want things the
Speaker 3: way I want them. It's something I'm always working on,
Speaker 3: but I'm very aware of and just letting him be.
Speaker 3: And he's drinking the green juice, he's doing the things
Speaker 3: he works out regularly, and he's changed he's very different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, probably because he sees it. He's inspired. But we
Speaker 2: don't fix them. We fix you know, we work on ourselves.
Speaker 2: We don't work on others. It's very hard. I get that,
Speaker 2: Like you want to be like when you see something clearly,
Speaker 2: you know, it happens with our kids too. It'll happen
Speaker 2: as your kids get older. So the current state of
Speaker 2: your business is it's obviously thriving. You have this subscription model,
Speaker 2: you work, you do a lot of different brand deals,
Speaker 2: and you're in demand. And so what else is coming up?
Speaker 2: What are you excited about? Like, what what is what's
Speaker 2: the next phase of this?
Speaker 3: What is the next phase of this? You know, it's
Speaker 3: it's a lot of just continuing to tap in do
Speaker 3: that feeling, like you talked about in the beginning of
Speaker 3: like the things I really really love to do is
Speaker 3: what I've just been focusing on more and I've been
Speaker 3: doing more speaking, more motivational speaking, which I have always
Speaker 3: wanted to do. And even through having a podcast and
Speaker 3: doing these incredible like member events with hundreds of people,
Speaker 3: when I walk away from them, I'm like, it is insane.
Speaker 3: I'm so high off life. But it's not just about
Speaker 3: you know, starting with the meditation, moving everyone. It's the talking.
Speaker 1: It's you're good at it. I can tell and you're right.
Speaker 2: And it's a different animal to go travel somewhere, to
Speaker 2: stand up, to talk to people who want to hear,
Speaker 2: and to educate people who don't, and it's just a
Speaker 2: good interaction. It's like being in a live theater. It's
Speaker 2: it's definitely different. It's so different, and I love it.
Speaker 3: So I've been I've been doing more of that, which
Speaker 3: has been really exciting. But I am very much in
Speaker 3: this place right now as talking about this last night,
Speaker 3: where I feel like they're you know, in our lives
Speaker 3: and being i think, very motivated, independent, ambitious, strong women.
Speaker 3: There's this need where it's like okay, well I've done that,
Speaker 3: like what else? And I'm learning to just soften into
Speaker 3: like being with what is instead of just going for
Speaker 3: everything if that makes any sense, Like just it.
Speaker 2: Makes all the sense. It's noisy. It's noisy, and if
Speaker 2: it quiets down, you can sit. If you always thinking
Speaker 2: about what you're going, Like, we're in this world offe
Speaker 2: be productive and we're Americans and there's no lunch and
Speaker 2: pros play herd and money never sleep. You know, the
Speaker 2: most creative times I've ever had are between sleep and wake.
Speaker 2: And everybody thinks I'm like an animal because I'm always working,
Speaker 2: and I'm really not. I just my mind is always working.
Speaker 2: That's hard for me. But I define my entire life
Speaker 2: by how much time I have off and how much
Speaker 2: free time and have a little I actually have to do.
Speaker 1: I don't like to be tethered.
Speaker 2: I don't like to have to go, and it's very
Speaker 2: hard for people around me because people are constantly throwing
Speaker 2: opportunities and money and covers and things at me. And
Speaker 2: I'm always saying no, walked away from millions of dollars
Speaker 2: on television, walked right out. But when I did and
Speaker 2: kept doing that, so many more things come. So like
Speaker 2: things will show up at your door, but you wouldn't
Speaker 2: have been able to see them, and you wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been able to think of them in the same way
Speaker 2: if your mind is so crowded with noisiness of what
Speaker 2: you're supposed to be doing, and finding the white noise
Speaker 2: will just it's something that you have that's a process
Speaker 2: you actually have to trust.
Speaker 1: It's like the ocean.
Speaker 2: There are gonna be sets that are crazy and you're
Speaker 2: gonna ride those waves. You're not gonna not ride the waves.
Speaker 2: The wave is right there, You're gonna take the wave.
Speaker 2: But then there's gonna be the com set. You're not
Speaker 2: supposed to be rushing out in between, because we rush
Speaker 2: out in between, you get caught and the riptide, then
Speaker 2: you miss the good waves, then you miss the calm,
Speaker 2: and then it's a total shit show. So you have
Speaker 2: to have that patience and trust in the ocean and
Speaker 2: its cycle, because that is really where the sweet spot is.
Speaker 2: And I definitely have found that because for me to
Speaker 2: be having more opportunities and making more money doing eighty
Speaker 2: percent less than I ever did now is nuts.
Speaker 1: It doesn't.
Speaker 2: It's because I really honestly was like, I kind of
Speaker 2: want to retire. I just want to be with my daughter,
Speaker 2: I want to do philanthropy, I don't want all this
Speaker 2: stuff anymore. And then just amazing things came, but you
Speaker 2: can work them differently. So I think that that's why
Speaker 2: I said that to you in the beginning, because I'm
Speaker 2: very like I pick up on people and I feel
Speaker 2: like you're doing incredibly well, and you're not going to
Speaker 2: walk away from the tables while they're hot.
Speaker 1: No one would do that.
Speaker 2: But if you're willing to walk away from the tables
Speaker 2: when they start going cold, they're never going to really
Speaker 2: go cold. It's just going to be a different type
Speaker 2: of tables. Not desperation. Now that you're desperate, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: know that feeling of hunger. There's just a line between it.
Speaker 3: There is and the more space that I give myself.
Speaker 3: I am the queen at saying no to ninety ninety
Speaker 3: five percent of everything that comes in because I really
Speaker 3: look at how I spend my time and I'm I
Speaker 3: preserve my energy. I know what it takes to film
Speaker 3: the way that I film, you know, like I record workouts.
Speaker 3: I mean I strive to a good three four days
Speaker 3: a week on top of doing the podcast two days
Speaker 3: a week with sometimes two guests each day. It's a
Speaker 3: lot of it's a lot of energy. I love. I
Speaker 3: love it. I feel like there's people who are born
Speaker 3: to do it or it's a struggle, and for me
Speaker 3: it's it's very natural. I love it. But then on
Speaker 3: top of that, I also have a team of people,
Speaker 3: we have creators on the It's those elements where I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I can't do all the things and have the time
Speaker 3: to make sure I'm there for my kids in the
Speaker 3: way that I want to show up as a mother.
Speaker 3: So I take so much off my plate and I'm
Speaker 3: all about preserving my piece.
Speaker 2: And it's hard to manage people to managing a team
Speaker 2: and a business is the hardest, and it's the biggest
Speaker 2: time suck because it's hardest, the biggest, the worst. It's
Speaker 2: the pieces are moving. And also if you try to
Speaker 2: please everybody, you please nobody. And the worst is when
Speaker 2: I remember being pregnant and moody and like I had
Speaker 2: too much going on, and it all sounds good on
Speaker 2: that little qute calendar and on an email. Sure, that
Speaker 2: sounds amazing. Oh my god, it's so adorable, and then
Speaker 2: it's there, and then you hate everyone around you that
Speaker 2: it's and then you're moody and you're then if you're present,
Speaker 2: which you are, you're moody, and you're like, this won't work.
Speaker 2: I have to be happy and everything I'm doing otherwise,
Speaker 2: what the hell?
Speaker 1: What are we doing?
Speaker 2: Like no one forced me to do any of this,
Speaker 2: And it's when it affects your personality and then the
Speaker 2: wheels start to come off where you have to like
Speaker 2: be like, no, I won't do anything if I'm not
Speaker 2: doing it well and if I can't be kind and
Speaker 2: happy doing it. And I've seen both sides of that
Speaker 2: for myself for sure.
Speaker 3: The same. I'm laughing so hard because it's so true.
Speaker 3: I think we are just a culture who thrives off
Speaker 3: back to backs and we're going all day. And by
Speaker 3: the way, I am a slur, like I got a
Speaker 3: machine you stacked? No, me too, stack things? Yeah, I
Speaker 3: know in a day that would take people a month.
Speaker 3: I'm not it's not I'm not bragging. It is just
Speaker 3: in my bones. I got fud of what I can handle.
Speaker 3: I know I'm speaking to someone who knows no.
Speaker 2: But then you also have a recover and it becomes
Speaker 2: this ebb and flow. It's almost like a work binge.
Speaker 2: To be honest, if I'm being honest with myself, it's
Speaker 2: almost like because your I called stacking, which is great,
Speaker 2: But if I'm really gonna get really in touch with
Speaker 2: the truth, it's not that unlike like eating so much
Speaker 2: and then starving because I find that I am a
Speaker 2: roller coaster.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 2: I will stack it be so ultimately productive, but then
Speaker 2: get the fuck away from me.
Speaker 1: For a couple of days. Yeah, so that you know.
Speaker 3: No, I'm doing that. I don't just anymore. I mean
Speaker 3: I have there are still these moments where I have to,
Speaker 3: you know, level set and be like okay that day,
Speaker 3: drain the life to not do that again. But I
Speaker 3: am very different now, Like I know, I am a machine,
Speaker 3: but I also take care of myself in a way
Speaker 3: and I really try to. I don't love the word.
Speaker 3: I mean it's like, of course you try to balance things,
Speaker 3: but what is balance when you're.
Speaker 2: Trying to prep and post and hydri Yeah, and also
Speaker 2: just like cushing yourself for the blow, because it's not
Speaker 2: going to always be a perfect situation. And it happens
Speaker 2: with your kids, it happens with the lacrosse game, it
Speaker 2: happens with screwing something up. I mean, it happens with everything,
Speaker 2: not just work. I get it, And I think the
Speaker 2: ultimate goal is to be able to be present a
Speaker 2: lot of my present in both and not in a
Speaker 2: cheesy way. I just mean like, if you're with your
Speaker 2: kids and you're on your phone the whole time, then
Speaker 2: you're not really with your kids. If you're working and
Speaker 2: you're calling your kids all day because you're feeling guilty,
Speaker 2: you're not really working like you got to. Just if
Speaker 2: you commit to whatever it is, it's being parent on
Speaker 2: that day going to that game, you're there, you're not
Speaker 2: on the game on your phone the whole time, and
Speaker 2: if you're at work, you're not on the phone with
Speaker 2: your kids.
Speaker 1: Like that's the thing. Otherwise, don't do it.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I commit to one out of two of my
Speaker 2: daughter's games a week because otherwise it becomes this thing
Speaker 2: where I'm just stripped and I'm just checking the boxes
Speaker 2: and doing. Yeah, I'd just go to the game, be
Speaker 2: the mom, get the crossbody, water purse and the chair
Speaker 2: on my back and bring the snacks and the dogs
Speaker 2: and show up and be super mom. And the other day,
Speaker 2: you know, the expectations aren't there, so you're doing amazing.
Speaker 2: I think it's great. And now talking to you really
Speaker 2: like getting more textual with it has been really interesting,
Speaker 2: and I just think it's wonderful.
Speaker 1: I think it's I'm really happy for you.
Speaker 2: I'm proud of you, and I'm happy that you found
Speaker 2: this place in your life and I'm happy you're sharing it.
Speaker 1: It's it is contagious. I think it's beautiful.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Bethany. Thank you, Cea. You've always
Speaker 3: just been so inspiring to me. A woman who's never
Speaker 3: been afraid to just share her voice in the way
Speaker 3: that she wants to share it. And I think that
Speaker 3: we need more women who are not afraid to be
Speaker 3: who they are and to use their voice in ways
Speaker 3: that can change the way people see things themselves and
Speaker 3: just create a movement in this world of goodness, like
Speaker 3: we just need people who care and are doing things
Speaker 3: for the better, good for all of us.
Speaker 2: So well, likewise, thank you so much. I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you for coming. I'm so excited.
Speaker 1: Was wonderful. The girl we're gonna be Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I loved her. That was amazing.
Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you, Melissa. It was really wonderful. So
Speaker 2: let's get together in the Hamptons. We're starting soon. I'm
Speaker 2: so excited.
Speaker 3: Amazing. I know I know where your old house was
Speaker 3: because Noah had shown me when we're driving around.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say it this out loud.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'll do you.
Speaker 2: I'm in my adventure era and I'm kind of on
Speaker 2: the verge besides my hair today, I'm kind of on
Speaker 2: the verge of a glow up just so you know,
Speaker 2: I started nature walking every day but most days if
Speaker 2: it's nice out, and I started doing my yoga at
Speaker 2: home with this app that I like. So usually once
Speaker 2: I get started, I do my beach walk. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: be on the beach now, and I'm just about to
Speaker 2: start a glow up. So I feel like you could
Speaker 2: take credit for.
Speaker 1: Part of that. I feel like I want to do.
Speaker 2: If I I used to go, like I said to
Speaker 2: Tracy Anderson, if I would go twice a week, I
Speaker 2: would have been on the cover of Sports all straight.
Speaker 2: I would have been the president of the United States.
Speaker 2: If you work out with me twice in a week
Speaker 2: in the summer, we could do it before and after,
Speaker 2: and the results will be remarkable, remarkable.
Speaker 3: I know they will. And listen, let's talk, because I
Speaker 3: would seriously do something with you.
Speaker 1: We'll come to you. Let's do something.
Speaker 3: I'm going to show you like this is what I
Speaker 3: always say, because I don't typically do privates, right, But
Speaker 3: of course there's certain things I love to do it.
Speaker 3: I love the class energy.
Speaker 1: But I'm on the verge of a glow up, though, Melissa.
Speaker 3: So I'm ready to It's also just to show how
Speaker 3: less is more and the art of like you will
Speaker 3: be amazed. Give me twenty minutes, and.
Speaker 2: I want you to create something from me with my
Speaker 2: workouts online every day after Okay, that's all right. What
Speaker 2: I want to do is come to your house and
Speaker 2: just take off my clothes and sleep with you. No,
Speaker 2: I want to come to your house and take off
Speaker 2: my clothes and show you my body, which is like
Speaker 2: thinner fifty three year old woman needs a little tightness,
Speaker 2: needs a little like.
Speaker 3: I've seen you in a bikini in Miami and you
Speaker 3: are a babe. Please listen, I rock a bikini. That's
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: We are so close, like if I tighten it up
Speaker 2: a little, like the butt is a little in pancakey.
Speaker 1: It's like that, you know. I mean, yes, I pull it.
Speaker 3: It's good.
Speaker 2: It's good, but it could be great, and this is
Speaker 2: the summer for it. So I want to come over
Speaker 2: and I want to like be in like a Dove campaign,
Speaker 2: just like wear normal like you know, I want to
Speaker 2: wear a bra and I want to show you and
Speaker 2: we'll take a picture, and I want you to give
Speaker 2: me a prescription. I can tell you what I'm already doing,
Speaker 2: and I will take the X number of time, and
Speaker 2: then we will come back and we will regroup and
Speaker 2: we will see how the glow up looks.
Speaker 3: I will guide you, and I feel very confident that
Speaker 3: you are going to well because you're going to see
Speaker 3: how it fits into your life and you don't believe.
Speaker 3: And it's like you can do it at home and
Speaker 3: your daughter, I mean the amount of mother daughters that
Speaker 3: that is the part that I mean, if anyone can
Speaker 3: get me, it's when the moms come up and they're like,
Speaker 3: you help my daughter through the heart, and she's like,
Speaker 3: can I do it with her?
Speaker 2: And I'm just like, right, brain would love it too.
Speaker 2: It's cute, right the mom You're like, yes, okay, no,
Speaker 2: you have the moms. The moms are the back yeah,
Speaker 2: the book. But I want to see results, Melissa, what help? Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: I want to see results. Otherwise I'll just go to
Speaker 2: Marquis with Noah and dance on a speaker and get
Speaker 2: in shape that way. But something's got to give, So
Speaker 2: I'm ready for.
Speaker 1: My glow up.
Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, amazing, I awesome, have a good day. Thank
Speaker 3: you so much. Thank