1 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 1: Everybody. 2 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 2: This is Melissa would health uh, Melissa would Tepperberg. I 3 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: know Melissa. My recollection of you, Melissa is being at Marquis, 4 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: I think on Halloween in a costume and just like 5 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: saying I had a good costume. 6 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:33,480 Speaker 1: That one year. That was my Marilyn Monroe year. 7 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 2: So I feel like, and I've known Noah, I can't 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 2: your husband. I don't know how long i've known him. 9 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: I have to have known him for thirty years easily, 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 2: there's yeah, it has to be thirty years. But so 11 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 2: I was there, which was also rare because I don't 12 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: go out that much even back then. And I was 13 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 2: at Marquis and I was wearing a marily mon Roe costume, 14 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 2: and I definitely feel like I looked good and I 15 00:00:55,560 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: saw Noah, and I feel like that's the first time 16 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: he reduced me to you in a formal way. I 17 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 2: could be wrong, but I feel like that's when you 18 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: and I really like met and talked for a minute, 19 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: and you were maybe cocktail waitressing. 20 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 3: We weren't dating when I was cocktail waitressing, so then 21 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 3: maybe I'm mixing stories. Were you cocktail waitressing when I 22 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 3: met you? I feel like I met you as a waitress, 23 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 3: because he wouldn't have told me you were a waitress. 24 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: So I feel like I met you as a waitress. 25 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 3: I don't think so. No, you could have, because I 26 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 3: literally met everyone when I was cocktail waitressing. But I 27 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 3: would remember. I think what he was saying is she 28 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 3: used to cocktail waitress here. That's how we met. But 29 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 3: when we started dating, I was no longer cocktail waitressing 30 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: or working for him. 31 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 2: So you were working for him as a cocktail waitress. 32 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 2: And then what did you go to do when you 33 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 2: got together? 34 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: Like, how did that? 35 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 2: I don't remember how that all happened, but I do, Yes, 36 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 2: I do think I met you as someone with him, 37 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:56,160 Speaker 2: but it didn't seem like serious serious when I met you. 38 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 3: It was probably like the very very beginning. 39 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: Okay, great, So what happened You were working there and 40 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: tell me the. 41 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: Story from your perspective. 42 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 3: Well, I was working there for years. I was working 43 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 3: four nights a week, cockta waitressing at night, and then 44 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 3: during the day I would get up early go to casting. 45 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 3: It was like my days were insane. I like, think back, 46 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 3: and I really don't know how I did it because 47 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:28,520 Speaker 3: I was just burning the candle at both ends. And 48 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 3: exactly right. Isn't it amazing? Like how you. 49 00:02:34,360 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: Were young, this is what it was. Yeah, and you 50 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,119 Speaker 1: had work ethics right. 51 00:02:38,200 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 3: And I would also wake up before I even had 52 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 3: castings and work out for an hour, like it was 53 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 3: just unreal the lifestyle that I lived. But it just 54 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 3: got to the point where I started making real money modeling, 55 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 3: and I just, you know, cocktail waitressing and working in 56 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 3: night life for a very long time can just it's 57 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:03,359 Speaker 3: really hard. It's so hard on you, not just physically 58 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 3: but mentally. And I so I left and I started 59 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 3: modeling full time. And that was like, you know, I 60 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 3: had a boyfriend, like I was dating someone at the time, 61 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 3: and Noah and I were always just friendly, but we 62 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 3: weren't even really friends. It was more just I looked 63 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 3: at him as my boss, you know. And then I, 64 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 3: you know, my ex and I broke up. And you 65 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 3: know how Noah is, he invites you to all the 66 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 3: things event and it's great. You know, I knew a 67 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 3: lot of people, so it was so comfortable and it 68 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 3: was never anything. And then I think, just slowly over time, 69 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 3: when you stop saying things like I would never you know, 70 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 3: because I for me, I just you see people one way, 71 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 3: and I think that stands in a lot of people's 72 00:03:54,720 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 3: way of keeping options open because you just never know. 73 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: But we're so quick to judge a situation on what 74 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 3: we think we know. Someone asks, and I can own 75 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 3: that one hundred percent that I did that, and that's true. 76 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:13,480 Speaker 3: It just blocked anything, you know that. 77 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: I was a cocktail waitress also, and this is interesting, 78 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 2: I'm realizing this in real time. So I was a 79 00:04:19,279 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 2: cocktail waitress in Boston at M eighty working for Seth Greenberg, who, 80 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 2: if I'm not mistaken, was one of Noah and his 81 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 2: partner Jason's mentors. 82 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: Because did Noah go to school in. 83 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 2: Boston or no no j Okay, So this guy, Seth Greenberg, 84 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 2: who was sort of the king of Boston the way 85 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 2: that Noah and Jason have been like the king of 86 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: New York in nightlife in many ways and now in 87 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: other cities. 88 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: That guy I. 89 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 2: Worked for him. So you and I went through the 90 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 2: same right of passage. Interestingly enough, I was a cocktail 91 00:04:50,520 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 2: waitress too, and I have a wine brand called Forever 92 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: Young because the last song that Seth would play every 93 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: night at M eighty and Paradise was Forever Young. So 94 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 2: it has runic. Yeah, so there's like a lot of 95 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: funny stories back then. But yes, so okay, so I 96 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: have met you and then I met you other times 97 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 2: and we know each other not like friends, but we're 98 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: friendly and I respect Noah and his work ethic and 99 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 2: so it must be a very I don't want to 100 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 2: say intense, but like that house has two people in 101 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: it that are really like going for it at all times. 102 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: I would say, you. 103 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 2: Know what I mean, Like you have two you have 104 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 2: two peacocks in your house, which is interesting. 105 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 3: Right, we do, and both we're all fire signs in 106 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 3: my house and my kids are fire signs, so we're Wow, 107 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 3: there's a lot of heat heat. And yes, you know, 108 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 3: we're very much both very strong personalities. We're both bosses. 109 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 3: But I think the thing that works so well is 110 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 3: that we have so much respect and love and admiration 111 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,359 Speaker 3: for each other and we really let each other do 112 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 3: our thing where that's the only way that it can 113 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 3: work for us. You know. 114 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, And well, your husband is he likes entrepreneurial spirit 115 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 2: in other people. He respects it, he nods it, he 116 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,600 Speaker 2: feeds off of it, he wants to hear from it, 117 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: like you know, there's never been a time that he 118 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: would not return a phone call of mine. Not because 119 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 2: he doesn't like me, and I know he likes me, 120 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 2: but I just mean, like he knows that I'm a 121 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: hustler too, Like we come from the same sort of 122 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 2: breed of animal, and so he always wants to hear 123 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 2: whatever the hell I'm saying, pitching or just like pick 124 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: up the phone, just because you never know what you're 125 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 2: gonna get, so always Yeah, so you, I but you're 126 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 2: at a different stage in your career. I mean, he's 127 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: still always hustling, but you you were in a late 128 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: bloomer in your age, but a late bloomer in our sphere. 129 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 2: So tell me how that all went down. I didn't 130 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 2: know you were modeling. 131 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:03,559 Speaker 1: It makes sense. 132 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 2: You're beautiful, so you were modeling, you were casting, you 133 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 2: were trying to make a living in New York. Where 134 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: were you from? Did you come from any means or no? 135 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: I mean I grew up. I grew up in a 136 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 3: broken home in Syracuse. My parents' divorce when I was 137 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 3: really young, and it was just a constant, you know. 138 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 3: I lived with the survival energy of just trying to 139 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 3: make ends meet. So I think just that energy. Growing 140 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 3: up with that and being I have four sisters, so 141 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: being the middle child of the five of us, I 142 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 3: really stepped in young to help bring as much more 143 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 3: like peace into my home. I recognize. I mean I 144 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 3: literally remember being seven years old and seeing that my 145 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 3: mom was really overwhelmed. So I really took I took 146 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 3: it under my own way to just do everything that 147 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: I could. Like I was always cleaning, I was always 148 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 3: telling my sisters what to do. I was really bossy, 149 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 3: and they couldn't stand me, to be honest, And it's 150 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 3: funny because I think back at that time, I look 151 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 3: at what I'm doing now, and I never thought that 152 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,120 Speaker 3: this was possible for me. I grew up with that 153 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 3: mentality that you know, the car that you are handed 154 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 3: is that's it. And some are lucky, some are not lucky, 155 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 3: but like you do whatever you can to stay afloat. 156 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 3: And I think just growing up and knowing that so young, 157 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: that always lived with me. So I mean, since I 158 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 3: can remember, I've I've had a job. It was like 159 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 3: this second someone would hire for me. I worked at 160 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 3: a farm picking strawberries, and then I worked in a 161 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 3: pizza shop, and then the second I was old enough 162 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 3: to work in a department store. I was hired and 163 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 3: I worked in the hardware department of all things. They 164 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 3: didn't know anything, and then they brought me over to 165 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 3: the cosmetic counter because they were like, we feel like 166 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 3: this is a better fit for you. And I've just 167 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 3: always had it in me to take care of myself, 168 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,239 Speaker 3: but not just for myself, for my siblings and to 169 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 3: help my mom. And I mean to this day that 170 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 3: never leaves you, right, And I think that that is 171 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 3: the thing that really gave me this fire inside that 172 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 3: whenever I start to doubt myself or just feel like 173 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,440 Speaker 3: it's too much, which happens right, Like it's right, I 174 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 3: can get so heavy and you're just like, why am 175 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 3: I doing this? What am I doing? Like? Can I 176 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 3: can I make my life easier and just not be 177 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 3: so ambitious? Right, Like there's a part of me that 178 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 3: sometimes is like I need to just take a step 179 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: back and be okay with what is right now and 180 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 3: not always look for the next thing. But you know, 181 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 3: my spirit really thrives, and I think we as humans 182 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 3: thrive off the evolution of our soul and who we 183 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 3: really are and who we came here to be. 184 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: But you're still also in the climb. You will hit 185 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 2: a point. You will hit a point, and you will 186 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 2: know when you hit the precipice. And based on what 187 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 2: you're saying now, because I recognize it and recognizing that 188 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 2: you had money noise and it's just in your body, 189 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter that Noah was successful, like you were 190 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: going to do what you were going to do, which 191 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 2: is also more admirable because when you get with somebody 192 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,760 Speaker 2: who's successful and you're a beautiful woman, like you could 193 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 2: have just chilled and you went harder. But based on 194 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 2: everything you're saying, I know that feeling like you want 195 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:45,040 Speaker 2: to get off the ride sometimes, like you just like 196 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 2: want to get off the ride and the ride's going 197 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 2: and the machine's too big, and you owe yourself to 198 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 2: so many people and the obligations. But there will be 199 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 2: a time when you start to like think that you 200 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 2: want to kind of exit or semi retire. You want 201 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 2: to only take all you want to take everything off. 202 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 2: That's not something you really want to do. And I 203 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 2: mean even like Tuesday, No I don't want to go there. No, 204 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 2: I don't want to do that photoshoot. 205 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 3: I don't. 206 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 2: It's either giving me philanthropy, or it's giving me so 207 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: much money I can't turn it down, or it's something 208 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: so different, or I'm laughing, but like it will get 209 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 2: more honed, and then that's really the sweet spot because 210 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 2: that's when everything will flood in in a way that 211 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 2: is so upside down, because that's when like more opportunities 212 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: will come because you have hit the financial precipice though 213 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:33,959 Speaker 2: like I did it precipice, and then you're really literally 214 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 2: living completely only doing what you want and then everything 215 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: will fly and it's very strange, but it will happen 216 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 2: to someone like you for sure, and you're probably not 217 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 2: that far away from it. 218 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,680 Speaker 1: But it's good to know that that will happen. 219 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 3: I mean, it's I feel it now right, I've gotten 220 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:55,320 Speaker 3: So it's just you know, when you're doing things that 221 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 3: are just not aligned, it's like this something that you 222 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,640 Speaker 3: feel where you're like, oh, before stretch, I'm so dune 223 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 3: doing that like those things. I'm but listen, I stretch 224 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 3: myself with certain things. With work. I'm very passionate. I'm 225 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 3: passionate about what I do. I love what I do. 226 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,200 Speaker 3: But that doesn't mean that when it's coming in from 227 00:12:17,280 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 3: all of these different directions. It's still like I'm still 228 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 3: really learning how to manage it all. It's yes, it's 229 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 3: so much, and I and and to also, I think 230 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 3: just piggyback off what you mentioned of. You know, I 231 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 3: understand how people make assumptions about me and believe that 232 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 3: the reason I am in the position I am is 233 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,120 Speaker 3: because of my husband. And oh dude, well, I don't 234 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 3: know that everybody even knows your whole story. So let's 235 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 3: before we get into that, because it's fair that I 236 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 3: don't know that everybody knows exactly who you are and 237 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 3: what you do. So to me, you are a woman 238 00:12:55,559 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 3: who really popped off in the pandemic, but you had 239 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 3: started before then, but at home, working out was really critical, 240 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 3: and you stopped drinking. Health became more and more important 241 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 3: to you, and you wanted to communicate and convey that, 242 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 3: and you just hit and struck and you ran with 243 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 3: it and now have created a real business and become 244 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 3: you know, publicly relevant and sports illustrated and like you 245 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:24,200 Speaker 3: have subscribers and you have a cult following, and so 246 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 3: that's how I see it. And yeah, you happen to 247 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,360 Speaker 3: have a partner who's successful in an entirely different industry. 248 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 3: But everybody that I know that's in the club business 249 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 3: that Mary's a model. She's not doing what you're doing respectfully. 250 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 3: And you know, I don't think he would have probably 251 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 3: cared either way, but he probably is a cheerleader. 252 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,440 Speaker 2: That's how I see it from the outside end. So 253 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 2: you can correct me if any of that's wrong or 254 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 2: off all of it's wrong. 255 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 3: No, I think it's important. Like you said to maybe 256 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 3: no one, I mean, that's that, that's the truth. And 257 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 3: I you know, I got into this work because I 258 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 3: had a horrible relationship with myself, all of those feelings 259 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 3: of trying to keep everything together in your home at 260 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 3: a young age and then bringing that energy into you know, adulthood. 261 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 3: Moving to New York when I was in my early 262 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 3: twenties on my own, drove a U haul here with 263 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 3: a friend on a whim. I literally walked into Bloomingdale's 264 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 3: one weekend. When I came to New York for the 265 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 3: first time. I've never been to the city. My friend 266 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 3: was off interviewing for jobs, so I was learning the city. 267 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 3: I knew nothing. I mean, we didn't travel much. We 268 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 3: went to Canada for family a couple family trips. We 269 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 3: couldn't ford to like get on a plane and go 270 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 3: see the world. So for me, it was like coming 271 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 3: to New York for the first time was like my 272 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 3: eyes opened and saw things in a way like it 273 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 3: was like this electricity a life and I was like, 274 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 3: what is this is insane and I just was vibrating 275 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 3: on a different frequency the second my feet hit the 276 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 3: floor when I got out of the car and I 277 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 3: walked into blooming Dills and this is I was such 278 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 3: a small town girl. I mean. One of the makeup 279 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 3: artists asked me if they could do my makeup, and 280 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 3: I was like, I work at Chanelle and Sarah c 281 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 3: was like, this is so funny that you're like literally 282 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 3: like ask everyone to do their makeup. I said that 283 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 3: he did my makeup and then he was like, we're 284 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 3: interviewing for a position, and I was like, I'll interview, 285 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 3: Like I mean, I was so it was just like 286 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 3: so green, you know, that's so good though, That's such 287 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 3: a good excitement. I was so excited, and I went 288 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 3: to Marquis that night. I didn't know Noah at this point. 289 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 3: I went to Marquis that night, stayed out until like 290 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 3: four in the morning. I had an interview hours later. 291 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 3: I had no idea, Like it was like, what did 292 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 3: I think I was doing interviewing? I had no idea 293 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 3: how it was going to move to New York. I 294 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 3: had three jobs back home, my family, and I didn't 295 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 3: know anyone here, and I did. I got the job. 296 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 3: I went home. I was dating someone at the time, 297 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 3: and I was like, I'm moving to New York and 298 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 3: I just I don't know how, but somehow, some way, 299 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 3: I moved here. I drove two weeks later, stayed in 300 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 3: someone's apartment, and then got a tiny little apartment and 301 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 3: it it's I think the interesting thing is like once 302 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 3: you move away from it all, and I remember so vividly, 303 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 3: just like getting into my bedroom that was definitely a closet. 304 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 3: There is no way these differentions, like I could fit 305 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 3: like a cop bed in there, and I just remember 306 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 3: it all like everything I had pushed down for all 307 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,800 Speaker 3: of these years like hit me. And it was like 308 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 3: this wave of I didn't know it was anxiety or 309 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 3: that I had really been anxious my whole life, but 310 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 3: it was really heavy and really strong. So I made 311 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 3: up my mission to run from that feeling and to 312 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 3: do anything and everything to cover it. Up to mask 313 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 3: it so I didn't have to feel that, and you know, 314 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 3: which led to eventually getting a job at Marquee and 315 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:27,400 Speaker 3: then I started modeling, and just the mode of comparison 316 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 3: in that world is so intense when you were insecure, 317 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 3: it just swallows you. And it deeply did that for me, 318 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 3: and I, you know, thought the only way that I 319 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 3: could possibly be enough or book all the jobs was 320 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:50,119 Speaker 3: to make being skinny my goal in life and just 321 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 3: fitting into the size and the mold of being a model. 322 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 3: And at that time when I was modeling, it was, 323 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 3: you know, models were very very thin. You were asked 324 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 3: to lose weight by your agents if you were a 325 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 3: certain even I mean I was like a four to 326 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 3: six and they said to me, like, you could go 327 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 3: on the plus side, spoort. I swear to you, I 328 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 3: would say small for six. And you know that tears 329 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 3: away you when you don't have the foundation and the 330 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 3: bones within yourself to stand up against that. And I didn't. 331 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: Most don't. 332 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 2: I had Aaron Spelling's casting director Tony tell me I 333 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,439 Speaker 2: need those like six to eight pounds in la just 334 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 2: to be try to be an actress for an Aaron 335 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 2: Spelling show, and that was shocking. Like that just was 336 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 2: like it's just like someone was It doesn't matter the number, 337 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:45,679 Speaker 2: but someone decided a number to tell you how not 338 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 2: good enough you were. And it's not even acceptable in modeling. 339 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,440 Speaker 2: But at least they have some framework they think they're 340 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 2: working off of from sample size. 341 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: This is like to act. It was like, what the 342 00:18:55,880 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: hell you know? So I get it. 343 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, someone who's in an authority position is telling you 344 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 2: that you're not going to be successful because there's so 345 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 2: many other girls. So you were like obsessed with your 346 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 2: weight and what partying and doing drugs or like what 347 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: was that? 348 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 1: So? 349 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 3: I was you know, I was counting every calorie I 350 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 3: would write. I would write down everything I ate. I 351 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 3: was working out in a very tortuous way. I thought 352 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 3: the only way that I could see results was with 353 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 3: at least an hour of cardioon an hour of strength training. 354 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 3: And was just like beating myself into the ground and 355 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 3: then binge drinking at night and starving, binge cheating after. Yeah, 356 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 3: it was just like the cycle. 357 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: Yep, I was living the same cycle. I remember. 358 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 2: I'd go to Marquis, I'd come home drunk and single 359 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 2: and alone. I'd go down to the deli, shovel everything in. 360 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 2: Then I just wouldn't eat for days. You know, I 361 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 2: get that the cycle of that, and it is emotional. 362 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 2: It's an emotional time. It's you're a young woman, you broke, 363 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:11,960 Speaker 2: you don't know what the hell is going to happen 364 00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: to you. You don't really have a safety net, and 365 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: you're just sort of like on some bizarre habitrail with 366 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 2: not really a big support system. 367 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,400 Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah, exactly. 368 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:27,520 Speaker 3: And it just got to the point where I I 369 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 3: hit my rock bottom. 370 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: And how old did you hit rock bottom? 371 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:36,080 Speaker 3: I was mid twenties and. 372 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 2: What so what was rock bottom? Where did you go 373 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 2: after rock bottom? 374 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 3: I mean I had been like up all night drinking, 375 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 3: sun was coming up, binging. I was bollimic, so exact 376 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 3: cycle of you know, going to a deli or the 377 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,200 Speaker 3: pizza shop next to me that was open, and even 378 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,959 Speaker 3: basking robins, just literally anything I could get my hands on, 379 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 3: and I just I remember it was like when you're 380 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:13,920 Speaker 3: trying to force yourself to do that, it's painful and 381 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 3: it just broke me. And I remember just looking myself 382 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 3: in the mirror and just thinking how disgusting I was, 383 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 3: and like this way, like just everything was discussing. I 384 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 3: hated myself and I was so done living this way 385 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 3: where I just felt like I can't do this anymore. 386 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 3: But I mean I was on my knees literally praying 387 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 3: like please help me, like show me any signs. And 388 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 3: you know you hear these stories all the time, but 389 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 3: it was so vivid for me where I saw this. 390 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 3: It was like this road and it was there were 391 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 3: there were two roads, and it's like you can carry 392 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,520 Speaker 3: down this way of life. I know. And it's so 393 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 3: crazy because I saw no one and I were staying 394 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 3: in Vegas in a hotel room and there was this picture. 395 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,199 Speaker 3: I took a picture. I posted it because I was like, 396 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 3: that is what I saw. It was like a tree 397 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 3: with two roads, and I just it was like you 398 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:17,120 Speaker 3: can carry on down this path of mass destruction, just 399 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,880 Speaker 3: tearing everything apart in your path. And I also had, 400 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 3: you know, I very quick on the tongue, could just 401 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 3: say things to boyfriends and people in my life that 402 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 3: I'm not proud of. 403 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: But I had know you saying you were a little mean. 404 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 3: I was really reactive. 405 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 2: Well I'm going somewhere with this because I don't know 406 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 2: if you heard me talk about this. My mother passed 407 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 2: away recently, so I think I was seven years old 408 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:50,959 Speaker 2: the first time I caught my mother throwing up and 409 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 2: she and it would happen repeatedly, and she would always 410 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: say to me, don't tell your stepfather because he'll be worried. 411 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: I just don't feel well. He'll be scared. 412 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 2: And that incided with a massive caddy, a plastic caddy 413 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: with drawers that had like every version of every U supository, laxative, everything, 414 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 2: And it was a lifestyle to be in the car 415 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,440 Speaker 2: with her and her have to like stop the car 416 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 2: and say it was because of the coffee, and she 417 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 2: had to go use the bathroom. 418 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: And my entire life, her entire life, I don't know what. 419 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:18,120 Speaker 1: I think it's heart. 420 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 2: When she was sixteen, moved to New York from Long 421 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 2: Island from Massapequa to be an actress. And she was 422 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 2: stunningly beautiful and fucked up house. What way more like 423 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 2: crazy abuse? Now what you're describing in your house, I'm 424 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 2: not comparing. I'm saying like insane, like her brother held 425 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 2: a shock gun to his father get his father from 426 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 2: beating his mother. But her whole entire life, she was 427 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 2: a beliemic, never once. I mean, my whole life was 428 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:47,480 Speaker 2: every single meal, her being in the bathroom for two 429 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 2: hours and me never wanting her to go to a 430 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 2: friend's house or go to a school or go anywhere, 431 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 2: like me walking on eggshells because of the throwing up 432 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 2: and the panic and like what the bathroom's gonna be 433 00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 2: like and her eyes are gonna be like and you know, 434 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 2: it's a very self loathing, self destructive disease because of 435 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 2: what you're discussing. And so this was think about this 436 00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 2: for seventy plus years, sixty years and never admitted it, 437 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 2: to the point where we'd be on vacation together and 438 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 2: I would be like this beliem mea cop up until 439 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 2: I was in my teens in high school and college 440 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 2: and like following her like a crazy person, and like 441 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 2: you could never get her to admit it, and it 442 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 2: would never. She would she would like, I mean, in 443 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: the bathroom for two hours, and she would yell at 444 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,159 Speaker 2: every waiter for things not being exactly runny and the 445 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 2: way they're supposed to be, and she would yell at everybody, 446 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 2: and she would smash the entire house. 447 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: And she was also an alcoholic and so like. 448 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 2: The slice of like I have seen the road that 449 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 2: you did not take like I have lived the road 450 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: as like that was my mother's child. Yeah, so it's 451 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 2: insane because you chose something that's extremely self loathing that 452 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 2: you were doing, and then you could to get out 453 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 2: of it is impossible because it's not like you're taking 454 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 2: away alcohol what you've done in your life. You're taking 455 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,479 Speaker 2: away something that's in your life all the time. 456 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:04,880 Speaker 1: It's food. 457 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 2: You have to have a relationship with food, which you 458 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 2: now do. And you talk about health and we can 459 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 2: get into that, but I'm just saying it's very it's 460 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 2: a different type of thing because it is there and 461 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 2: it's tempting and you're emotional and you want to eat something, 462 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 2: and then you can eat more. You know, you have 463 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 2: the tools to get rid of it. And so it's 464 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:20,880 Speaker 2: really a sick, crazy thing. 465 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 3: It is. It really is. And I like, I feel 466 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 3: your pain so deeply because I was, you know, a 467 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 3: product of that in different forms growing up, but then 468 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 3: I was becoming that too, and I saw it like 469 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 3: I saw it so clearly, and I just knew in 470 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 3: that moment or there's this other road you can take 471 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 3: that's scary as hell. I don't know, but I can 472 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 3: choose different like I can choose different things to cope, 473 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 3: because I think I started to just see like these 474 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 3: were coping mechanisms, these were the tools that I had 475 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 3: adapted over the years because I was living in survival mode, 476 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 3: and I it was like, just like that moment, I 477 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,639 Speaker 3: was like, I'm asking for help because I didn't know 478 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 3: what to do, truly, And I remember calling a friend 479 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 3: asking for her therapist information. And I think the moment 480 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:28,880 Speaker 3: you surrender to thinking that it's your strength that's going 481 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 3: to get you through every and like that was me 482 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 3: my whole life, Like I'm like, I've got this, I 483 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 3: can do this. I can work at the farm, and 484 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 3: I can get the money for the supplies my sister 485 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 3: needs for school. And it was like that was my 486 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 3: whole life feeling that way. And I think I always 487 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 3: thought I could handle everything and I could take care 488 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 3: of everything that's. 489 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 2: From the outside. Though that's like attacking a problem that's 490 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 2: not like from the inside, you know what I mean. 491 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 2: I get that too, And you're right, I was going 492 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 2: down the same role. I wasn't going down the same 493 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,119 Speaker 2: road because I never made myself throw up, but controlling 494 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 2: by like going out being mad at myself, drinking, eating, 495 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,639 Speaker 2: feeling gross and then not eating for a couple of 496 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 2: days and starting all over again. I didn't have a 497 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,320 Speaker 2: good relationship with food, which was how I wrote my 498 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 2: book Naturally Thin and became a natural food chef. 499 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,959 Speaker 1: So we have some similarities. 500 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 2: So you intervene and you get into therapy, and how 501 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:25,440 Speaker 2: does that morph into fitness and not drinking and these 502 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 2: healthy concoctions and this lifestyle that you now. 503 00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: Live in. 504 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 2: And does it ever get tiring to be working out regularly? 505 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:38,119 Speaker 2: Like for that to be your business, that people expect 506 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,440 Speaker 2: for you to always be exercising, that seems like challenging 507 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 2: to me. I think I've met Tracy Anderson and she 508 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,800 Speaker 2: used to say, like people should be working at six 509 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,399 Speaker 2: days a week. And I think I got into like 510 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,479 Speaker 2: a very friendly argument or on my talk show, I 511 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 2: was like, what you know so? And I sometimes think 512 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 2: about you or think about her, and I'm like, what 513 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 2: is she just decide She's like doesn't want to work 514 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 2: out anymore. It's just wants to like walk. 515 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 3: You know. 516 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 2: I just think about it because it's like a lot 517 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 2: to get on the mat every day do with the 518 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 2: stuff you do. I don't do that ever I walk maximum. 519 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,919 Speaker 2: So I want to hear about like that whole journey 520 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 2: and all and the pressure and all that. 521 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 3: I'm so glad you asked about it and and your 522 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 3: perspective because it's really important. So after like really doing 523 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 3: the work, and like when I say that, I mean 524 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 3: getting really honest with myself, which is really hard to do. 525 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 3: And I think people think they're doing that, but they're not. 526 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 3: And I feel as if just this entire journey is 527 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 3: I'm so radically transparent with myself and that's what has 528 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,479 Speaker 3: helped me continue to just I think, stay on this 529 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 3: path of internal growth because I you know, stay with 530 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 3: therapy because that has really helped me just let it 531 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 3: all out in a safe space where you're not dumping 532 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 3: on every single person in your life. But also, you know, 533 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 3: I had a horrible relationship to food, but over time 534 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,719 Speaker 3: healing my relationship to myself, I really realized it was 535 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 3: never the food, it was how I felt about me. 536 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 3: I looked at the mirror and it all really really 537 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 3: shifted when I started meditating. That was when it was 538 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 3: everything slowly, very very slowly. I started to see everything differently. 539 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 3: The most important thing I saw differently was myself. I 540 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 3: became so much more compassionate and loving and kind and 541 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 3: empathetic towards everything I had gone through, towards who I 542 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 3: was you know today, And that shifted the way that 543 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 3: I started doing everything, the way that I was moving 544 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 3: my body. I started moving like I love myself like. 545 00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 3: It's really amazing what happens when you're not beating yourself 546 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 3: up or going through a workout because of what you 547 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 3: ate the night before, torturing yourself. Fear based I call 548 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 3: that fear based exercise. Yes, fear based exercise. I did 549 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 3: it for years, and the crazy thing is I didn't 550 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,320 Speaker 3: get to a happy place within myself. I actually gained 551 00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 3: weight same living That weight was fight or flight, No, 552 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 3: one hundred percent. 553 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,680 Speaker 2: That's what I tried to explain to people because it's 554 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 2: the same thing I was trying to explain to you 555 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 2: about business before. When you're white knuckling and holding onto everything. Yes, 556 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,719 Speaker 2: when people are broke, they have to work their asses 557 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 2: off and you have to get there. And I used 558 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 2: to have a five hundred dollars car with the crack 559 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 2: windshield and I was up twenty four hours and that 560 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 2: was that. But once you hit, if you're still white 561 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 2: knuckling and you're like desperate about work. 562 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: It won't work. 563 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 2: You have to like sort of allow for things not 564 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,959 Speaker 2: to happen and like let the blood flow in it. 565 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 2: And it's the same thing with relationship to food. I 566 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 2: feel the exact same way when when I was on 567 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 2: a diet and everything I. 568 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: Had to be steamed and we had all these rules. 569 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 2: That's when you were, you know, twenty thirty pounds heavier 570 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 2: because you just had a terrible relationship with it. It's 571 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 2: like something toxic. You're holding onto it. It won't your body, 572 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 2: your energy, it won't allow you to just have a 573 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 2: normal relationship with food. And exercise, by the way, people 574 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,560 Speaker 2: have a bad People go exercise like crazy so they 575 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 2: can eat, and then you're on another version of a treadmill. 576 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 2: I'm exercising or I have to go exercise because quote unquote. 577 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: I was bad. 578 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 2: You're not bad, you weren't good. It's just it's not 579 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 2: your best friend or your enemy. 580 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 3: It is food. 581 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 2: So I think that part of exercise people have to 582 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: have a good relationship with it and they have to 583 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 2: be able to just like do it because it's working 584 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 2: for them if they can. But if they can't you know, 585 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 2: some people are obsessed and running, obsessed about they're gonna 586 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 2: go on vacation because of their workouts. 587 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: They're not gonna enjoy it. They don't want to go 588 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 1: to this. 589 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 2: Office, this hotel in a business hotel because they're not 590 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 2: gonna have a gym, Like people get crazy. So I 591 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 2: feel like that can also be very noisy for people 592 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 2: if not managed to food. 593 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 1: The food and the exercise, I. 594 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 3: Mean, it just increases your cortisol, like your stress levels 595 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 3: are through the roof. And I was that person, so 596 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 3: I know how that way of life feels to live, 597 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:19,440 Speaker 3: and it is heavy and it's daunting, and it's not enjoyable. 598 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 3: It's just not So Once I started meditating, and then 599 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 3: I started moving and combining the two forms of exercise 600 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 3: that I liked, but there were to me, there were 601 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,479 Speaker 3: things within both of them that I wanted different, Like 602 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,000 Speaker 3: I wanted yoga to have way more flow, and I 603 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 3: wanted pilates to feel less like here's this move. Stop. 604 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,480 Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I don't like about pilates. Yeah, calisthenics 605 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 2: to me, So I. 606 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 3: Started blending them and literally moving in a way that 607 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 3: my body had never really moved before with the combination 608 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 3: of the two, and I started setting up my phone 609 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 3: like I had an iPod or a tripod from Amazon. 610 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 3: I had no lighting, no sound, but I started sharing 611 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 3: these little things, like what it was like to wake 612 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 3: up in the morning and not reach for your phone 613 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,480 Speaker 3: first thing, or have coffee first thing in the morning, 614 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 3: and actually take a moment to be with your breath, 615 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 3: to be with what is in your life, which we're 616 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,760 Speaker 3: all running from. We're running from ourselves, running from our 617 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 3: feelings and our thoughts and the things and the list 618 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,200 Speaker 3: that we have to manage because it's a lot. But 619 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 3: I started to really understand and learn that when I 620 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 3: could actually bring myself into a place where I could 621 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,600 Speaker 3: tap into my parasympathetic nervous system, which helps us. I 622 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 3: think of it as like the peaceful state where you 623 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 3: can rest and digest. And by the way, I had 624 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 3: cystoic acnea all over my face while I started this journey, 625 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 3: which was a massquest to get to the bottom of that. 626 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 3: Because I had tried accutate. I saw every single doctor, 627 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 3: top dermatologist and was just told I needed to do 628 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 3: a second round. Meanwhile knowing that what that pill was 629 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 3: doing to destroy the microbiome and was horrible for my 630 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 3: enter system. Like I was just like, not adding up. 631 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 3: There has to be a different way. And I slowly 632 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,760 Speaker 3: started to discover through my practice there was a different way, 633 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 3: and I started to feel really good and I was 634 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 3: living in a state of contentment and joy within myself 635 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,320 Speaker 3: that I was like, it was so contagious that I 636 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 3: had no idea how or what I was doing when 637 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 3: I was sharing it, but I knew there was something 638 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 3: greater than me that said you have to share this, 639 00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,919 Speaker 3: You have to share the simplicity. So to go back 640 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 3: to what you were saying about, does it ever feel heavy? 641 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:04,240 Speaker 3: Do I feel like it's too much to exercise? Truly consistently? 642 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,240 Speaker 3: Not one day have I ever felt that from doing 643 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 3: this for almost a decade. And I'll tell you why. 644 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 3: Because the way that I started sharing this work was 645 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 3: using what you have available to you, no longer feeling 646 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 3: like you need all of the things to get something in, 647 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 3: and taking the time that you have and using that 648 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 3: getting something in. It was more about just squeezing it in. 649 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 3: You know, I had had Benjamin at this time and 650 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 3: would have him in the bouncy chair, and I you know, 651 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,439 Speaker 3: he'd be like sleeping in the chair and I would 652 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 3: get like a fifteen minute full body in and I 653 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 3: was great for the day. And I started to realize 654 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,160 Speaker 3: that my connection to exercise was physically focused for all 655 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 3: of those years, But what I didn't really connect to 656 00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 3: until I started meditating was that this was strength my 657 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:08,800 Speaker 3: mind in ways I didn't connect the two, and in return, 658 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,200 Speaker 3: like the icing and the bonus on the cake, was 659 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 3: physically being in the best shape of my entire freaking life. 660 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:20,200 Speaker 3: So I mean, I did all those things that you 661 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 3: were saying the hour of this the six seven, feeling 662 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,399 Speaker 3: like it needs to be this heavy thing in order 663 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 3: to see results, and I'm here to tell you and 664 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 3: why I am. So it's like this gets me out 665 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,440 Speaker 3: of bed in the morning because I'm like, no, it 666 00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,760 Speaker 3: doesn't have to be that way. And it's not about 667 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 3: I have to exercise today. It's that I get to 668 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,879 Speaker 3: I get to move my body in this way. And 669 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 3: I know damn well what it feels like to hate myself, 670 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 3: to feel like shit, to not want to get out 671 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,799 Speaker 3: of bed, to not want to carry on. So exercise 672 00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:03,480 Speaker 3: is something that has given me life, and it's shown 673 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,640 Speaker 3: me my own beauty and help me see things in 674 00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,759 Speaker 3: life that I've never been able to see, so I 675 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 3: don't look at it in that way anymore. And this 676 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 3: is this is medicine for my mind and my body, 677 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:21,840 Speaker 3: and it has given me so much strength to do 678 00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 3: all of the things that I'm doing. And it's it's 679 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 3: just revealed something to me that I think is so 680 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 3: important to just emphasize for all of these, you know, 681 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 3: the generations to come, all of the younger generations, the 682 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,600 Speaker 3: ones before us, that there's a different way of doing 683 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 3: things and it doesn't have to fit into this mold 684 00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:50,439 Speaker 3: that we've been told for so many years by some 685 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:56,279 Speaker 3: of the you know, the most thought after professionals in 686 00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:01,160 Speaker 3: the space of fitness. And that's how I was able to, 687 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:06,040 Speaker 3: you know, slowly start sharing on Instagram. And then it 688 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:07,799 Speaker 3: just got to the point where I was like, I 689 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,839 Speaker 3: need a home base, like I need somewhere people can 690 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 3: go to. And I, you know, I built my first site. 691 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 3: I built a subscription business. I built a paywall behind 692 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,799 Speaker 3: the website. It was janky, it wasn't great, but I 693 00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 3: did it. And I just started building this community. And 694 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:30,399 Speaker 3: it was through the connection of really listening and understanding 695 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:37,880 Speaker 3: what people wanted to really be broken down in how 696 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 3: to way for not just like me showing my life 697 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 3: in the way. I was like, how can you do 698 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 3: that too? 699 00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,480 Speaker 2: Well, that's what I'm picking up the most. I used 700 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,279 Speaker 2: to I had a part of I think it was 701 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,919 Speaker 2: naturally thin when it started. Use what you have when 702 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 2: you can, like do what you can when you can 703 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 2: use what you have, meaning if it's cooking, it's like 704 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,799 Speaker 2: what's around. And if you're exercising, and like you said, 705 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 2: if you can only do fifteen minutes or you can 706 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,680 Speaker 2: do ten minutes, or you're stretching, or you're breathing, you're 707 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 2: taking a walk, that's what you have available to you, 708 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 2: versus saying, let me just not do anything, which I 709 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,479 Speaker 2: really do Like I. 710 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:12,839 Speaker 1: Like that and I get that. 711 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,920 Speaker 2: And are you did you start out meditating like on 712 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,080 Speaker 2: an app? Did you go to one of these gurus? 713 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:22,960 Speaker 2: What do you and how long do you do it for? 714 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 3: I started. I learned through transcendental meditation. I took a 715 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 3: weekend workshop and I practiced that way for a very 716 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 3: long time, but to the point where it started to 717 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 3: feel because in that model it's very much or philosophy, 718 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:43,799 Speaker 3: I should say, it's twenty minutes in the morning and 719 00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 3: it's twenty minutes later in the day. That's forty minutes. 720 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:51,080 Speaker 3: And I think when you hear that, most people run 721 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 3: check out. It's hard to stay consistent with that. So 722 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 3: I had discovered through having kids and still knowing that 723 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 3: this was so important and just being truly devoted to 724 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,719 Speaker 3: this practice because for me it was it was like 725 00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,399 Speaker 3: that daily medication and that I was filling my mind 726 00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,799 Speaker 3: and my body with. I started to blend different styles, 727 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 3: and I mean it's still this constant evolution of integrating 728 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 3: different things. Breathwork, mantra, a little bit of meditative movement, 729 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,320 Speaker 3: and I was blending things in my own way, which 730 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 3: is kind of I mean what I've always enjoyed, right, 731 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,480 Speaker 3: It's like learning something making it your Yeah, there's no rule. 732 00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,280 Speaker 2: And people get intimidated. And you could take I've taken 733 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 2: those beaded necklaces where it is all these different colored 734 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 2: beads and they have a tassel for anyone listening, like 735 00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 2: at a yoga class. 736 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,359 Speaker 1: They sell them. You can just take any necklace of yours. 737 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,920 Speaker 2: You could take a rosary bead and like you go 738 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 2: one bead at a time, like you touch one bead 739 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 2: and then you take a breath in and out in 740 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,479 Speaker 2: your nose, and then you go to the next bead, 741 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 2: and then when you hit the tassel like you know, 742 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:01,800 Speaker 2: and then next time you could go all the way around. 743 00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 2: Or just breathing in and out is meditation. Just breathing 744 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:07,959 Speaker 2: in and out. And you don't have to be sitting 745 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 2: up if it's uncomfortable, you can lay down like. 746 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,879 Speaker 1: You could do what you need to do. You could 747 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:12,800 Speaker 1: be on a bench outside. 748 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 2: I think people get intimidated by the word meditation when 749 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,879 Speaker 2: it really is just being still present and breathing, and 750 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 2: you will get distracted, you will think of other things. 751 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,759 Speaker 2: Just do your best to get back to center. I 752 00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 2: think that that's that's the thing exactly. 753 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,960 Speaker 3: That's I think a lot of people, and myself included, 754 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 3: I used to judge my practice. I would say I 755 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,600 Speaker 3: didn't know that wasn't a good meditation. Oh I didn't 756 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 3: meditate today, or it wasn't deep enough. And every single 757 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,120 Speaker 3: day is so different. I mean, somebodys are right. That's 758 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,880 Speaker 3: why I have walking meditation, lights up the wall, meditation, 759 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:49,239 Speaker 3: lying down meditations. I mean I have meditated, and I 760 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 3: mean airplanes, benches, taxis any bathrooms, Like I before speaking 761 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,320 Speaker 3: or something, I always go into the bathroom. 762 00:41:58,400 --> 00:41:59,240 Speaker 1: I do a little moment. 763 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 3: But it's just bringing that awareness and that consciousness right 764 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 3: that we spend a lot of time and energy scrolling 765 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,799 Speaker 3: on Instagram, so instead of doing that right, taking that 766 00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 3: active choice and coming back and just it's like watching 767 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,879 Speaker 3: that inflow and that outflow of breath even for one minute. 768 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:21,200 Speaker 1: I agree, and it changes. 769 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,560 Speaker 2: Like you could have a delay at an airport and 770 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 2: you'll notice you react differently based on you're just generally 771 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,600 Speaker 2: how you deal with things. You'll see how your kids like, ah, mom, 772 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,719 Speaker 2: why wait what? And you're just like it is what 773 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 2: it is, like you're more of just you know, because 774 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 2: to your point, if you're about to do a speech, 775 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:38,919 Speaker 2: or if you're going into something, or if you're seeing 776 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,800 Speaker 2: your in laws, or if there's a holiday dinner or some. 777 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,200 Speaker 1: Shit show you've got to deal with. 778 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,120 Speaker 2: It's like taking a steak out of a freezer and 779 00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 2: sticking it out in the sun. Otherwise, like you just 780 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,600 Speaker 2: you sometimes need like to get some equilibrium in between 781 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 2: things going on, and breathing is a good way to 782 00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 2: do that. Like and yes, sometime at the end of 783 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,239 Speaker 2: the night before you your own a bed, like to 784 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 2: try to breathe in and out fifteen times. You'll probably 785 00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,840 Speaker 2: be asleep by the time you finish. And in the 786 00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 2: morning to try and breathe out, breathe in and out 787 00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty five times, so it doesn't have to 788 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,439 Speaker 2: be so daunting. I agree with that, and I don't 789 00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,600 Speaker 2: always do what I love yoga, but it's just nice 790 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 2: to know that it's something there that is like a 791 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 2: nice glass of water when you're thirsty, you could just 792 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:22,279 Speaker 2: pick it up and like it's right there for you 793 00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,360 Speaker 2: because it's in your body. 794 00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:25,440 Speaker 1: So I think that's amazing. 795 00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:29,560 Speaker 2: And does your fam does your family ever feel what 796 00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,160 Speaker 2: does Noah ever feel? 797 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:31,319 Speaker 3: Like? 798 00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 2: Is he fully quote unquote on board? Like if he 799 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 2: wakes up in the morning and he's always connected and 800 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,239 Speaker 2: he picks up his phone, do you care what he's doing? 801 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,960 Speaker 2: Does it trigger you like does he have to be 802 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,920 Speaker 2: part of this way of life completely? 803 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:44,880 Speaker 1: Or does he have his own way of life? 804 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 2: Like you know what I mean, because I'm sure he's 805 00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 2: I've seen him drink your smoothies and like do some 806 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 2: of it, But I can't imagine he's fully you know, 807 00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 2: Noah would health now, so what is he like about this? 808 00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,160 Speaker 3: You know, Noah? He well, I will I will fully 809 00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:07,919 Speaker 3: admit that I tried to control that aspect of him 810 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,319 Speaker 3: and just like, don't do this, do that, and that 811 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 3: doesn't work. And for anyone listening, the more push and 812 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:21,040 Speaker 3: pull and force, it's like just rubbing sandpaper together. So 813 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 3: for me, I think a lot of it was just 814 00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:27,759 Speaker 3: the acceptance of everyone around me, even family life, right, 815 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,279 Speaker 3: Like you want to go home and share all these 816 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,759 Speaker 3: things that help crack you open, and I think, you know, 817 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,560 Speaker 3: people only want to move towards what they're as far 818 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 3: as they want to. So there was a lot of 819 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,080 Speaker 3: work that had to go into me just letting things be. 820 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:49,319 Speaker 3: And you know, Noah has really made so many incredible 821 00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:54,160 Speaker 3: changes and shifts on his own. He has his own 822 00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 3: habits that he loves. I mean, are there things he 823 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 3: still does, of course, But I've learned to nag less 824 00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:08,080 Speaker 3: because I can be a nagger and want things the 825 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:13,040 Speaker 3: way I want them. It's something I'm always working on, 826 00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 3: but I'm very aware of and just letting him be. 827 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 3: And he's drinking the green juice, he's doing the things 828 00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:27,000 Speaker 3: he works out regularly, and he's changed he's very different. 829 00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, probably because he sees it. He's inspired. But we 830 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:33,000 Speaker 2: don't fix them. We fix you know, we work on ourselves. 831 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,080 Speaker 2: We don't work on others. It's very hard. I get that, 832 00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,760 Speaker 2: Like you want to be like when you see something clearly, 833 00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 2: you know, it happens with our kids too. It'll happen 834 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:54,799 Speaker 2: as your kids get older. So the current state of 835 00:45:54,840 --> 00:46:00,000 Speaker 2: your business is it's obviously thriving. You have this subscription model, 836 00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 2: you work, you do a lot of different brand deals, 837 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 2: and you're in demand. And so what else is coming up? 838 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,279 Speaker 2: What are you excited about? Like, what what is what's 839 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,359 Speaker 2: the next phase of this? 840 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:15,880 Speaker 3: What is the next phase of this? You know, it's 841 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 3: it's a lot of just continuing to tap in do 842 00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,279 Speaker 3: that feeling, like you talked about in the beginning of 843 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,319 Speaker 3: like the things I really really love to do is 844 00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:31,279 Speaker 3: what I've just been focusing on more and I've been 845 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 3: doing more speaking, more motivational speaking, which I have always 846 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,839 Speaker 3: wanted to do. And even through having a podcast and 847 00:46:40,239 --> 00:46:44,920 Speaker 3: doing these incredible like member events with hundreds of people, 848 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:50,000 Speaker 3: when I walk away from them, I'm like, it is insane. 849 00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:54,560 Speaker 3: I'm so high off life. But it's not just about 850 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 3: you know, starting with the meditation, moving everyone. It's the talking. 851 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,200 Speaker 1: It's you're good at it. I can tell and you're right. 852 00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,239 Speaker 2: And it's a different animal to go travel somewhere, to 853 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,719 Speaker 2: stand up, to talk to people who want to hear, 854 00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,520 Speaker 2: and to educate people who don't, and it's just a 855 00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,680 Speaker 2: good interaction. It's like being in a live theater. It's 856 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,480 Speaker 2: it's definitely different. It's so different, and I love it. 857 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,799 Speaker 3: So I've been I've been doing more of that, which 858 00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:24,480 Speaker 3: has been really exciting. But I am very much in 859 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:26,960 Speaker 3: this place right now as talking about this last night, 860 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,480 Speaker 3: where I feel like they're you know, in our lives 861 00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:37,840 Speaker 3: and being i think, very motivated, independent, ambitious, strong women. 862 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:40,880 Speaker 3: There's this need where it's like okay, well I've done that, 863 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,920 Speaker 3: like what else? And I'm learning to just soften into 864 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,320 Speaker 3: like being with what is instead of just going for 865 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 3: everything if that makes any sense, Like just it. 866 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,080 Speaker 2: Makes all the sense. It's noisy. It's noisy, and if 867 00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,960 Speaker 2: it quiets down, you can sit. If you always thinking 868 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,200 Speaker 2: about what you're going, Like, we're in this world offe 869 00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 2: be productive and we're Americans and there's no lunch and 870 00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:09,360 Speaker 2: pros play herd and money never sleep. You know, the 871 00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,640 Speaker 2: most creative times I've ever had are between sleep and wake. 872 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:15,759 Speaker 2: And everybody thinks I'm like an animal because I'm always working, 873 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:20,320 Speaker 2: and I'm really not. I just my mind is always working. 874 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:25,080 Speaker 2: That's hard for me. But I define my entire life 875 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:26,640 Speaker 2: by how much time I have off and how much 876 00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,880 Speaker 2: free time and have a little I actually have to do. 877 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,000 Speaker 1: I don't like to be tethered. 878 00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,600 Speaker 2: I don't like to have to go, and it's very 879 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,760 Speaker 2: hard for people around me because people are constantly throwing 880 00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,080 Speaker 2: opportunities and money and covers and things at me. And 881 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,759 Speaker 2: I'm always saying no, walked away from millions of dollars 882 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:44,200 Speaker 2: on television, walked right out. But when I did and 883 00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,759 Speaker 2: kept doing that, so many more things come. So like 884 00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,640 Speaker 2: things will show up at your door, but you wouldn't 885 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:52,759 Speaker 2: have been able to see them, and you wouldn't have 886 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,880 Speaker 2: been able to think of them in the same way 887 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,719 Speaker 2: if your mind is so crowded with noisiness of what 888 00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,759 Speaker 2: you're supposed to be doing, and finding the white noise 889 00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,040 Speaker 2: will just it's something that you have that's a process 890 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,520 Speaker 2: you actually have to trust. 891 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:05,400 Speaker 1: It's like the ocean. 892 00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,040 Speaker 2: There are gonna be sets that are crazy and you're 893 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,359 Speaker 2: gonna ride those waves. You're not gonna not ride the waves. 894 00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:12,360 Speaker 2: The wave is right there, You're gonna take the wave. 895 00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:14,400 Speaker 2: But then there's gonna be the com set. You're not 896 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,879 Speaker 2: supposed to be rushing out in between, because we rush 897 00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,719 Speaker 2: out in between, you get caught and the riptide, then 898 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,080 Speaker 2: you miss the good waves, then you miss the calm, 899 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,520 Speaker 2: and then it's a total shit show. So you have 900 00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:26,600 Speaker 2: to have that patience and trust in the ocean and 901 00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,680 Speaker 2: its cycle, because that is really where the sweet spot is. 902 00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:32,480 Speaker 2: And I definitely have found that because for me to 903 00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:38,560 Speaker 2: be having more opportunities and making more money doing eighty 904 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:41,480 Speaker 2: percent less than I ever did now is nuts. 905 00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:42,200 Speaker 1: It doesn't. 906 00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:44,360 Speaker 2: It's because I really honestly was like, I kind of 907 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:45,839 Speaker 2: want to retire. I just want to be with my daughter, 908 00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,200 Speaker 2: I want to do philanthropy, I don't want all this 909 00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,279 Speaker 2: stuff anymore. And then just amazing things came, but you 910 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,279 Speaker 2: can work them differently. So I think that that's why 911 00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:55,680 Speaker 2: I said that to you in the beginning, because I'm 912 00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,400 Speaker 2: very like I pick up on people and I feel 913 00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,640 Speaker 2: like you're doing incredibly well, and you're not going to 914 00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:02,520 Speaker 2: walk away from the tables while they're hot. 915 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:03,640 Speaker 1: No one would do that. 916 00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,680 Speaker 2: But if you're willing to walk away from the tables 917 00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:09,439 Speaker 2: when they start going cold, they're never going to really 918 00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,360 Speaker 2: go cold. It's just going to be a different type 919 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,000 Speaker 2: of tables. Not desperation. Now that you're desperate, Yeah, I 920 00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,880 Speaker 2: know that feeling of hunger. There's just a line between it. 921 00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:21,800 Speaker 3: There is and the more space that I give myself. 922 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,320 Speaker 3: I am the queen at saying no to ninety ninety 923 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:30,680 Speaker 3: five percent of everything that comes in because I really 924 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,279 Speaker 3: look at how I spend my time and I'm I 925 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,520 Speaker 3: preserve my energy. I know what it takes to film 926 00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,160 Speaker 3: the way that I film, you know, like I record workouts. 927 00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,839 Speaker 3: I mean I strive to a good three four days 928 00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:51,120 Speaker 3: a week on top of doing the podcast two days 929 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,560 Speaker 3: a week with sometimes two guests each day. It's a 930 00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,520 Speaker 3: lot of it's a lot of energy. I love. I 931 00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:02,160 Speaker 3: love it. I feel like there's people who are born 932 00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,640 Speaker 3: to do it or it's a struggle, and for me 933 00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,239 Speaker 3: it's it's very natural. I love it. But then on 934 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,520 Speaker 3: top of that, I also have a team of people, 935 00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:13,319 Speaker 3: we have creators on the It's those elements where I'm like, Okay, 936 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,440 Speaker 3: I can't do all the things and have the time 937 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 3: to make sure I'm there for my kids in the 938 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,600 Speaker 3: way that I want to show up as a mother. 939 00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,839 Speaker 3: So I take so much off my plate and I'm 940 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,200 Speaker 3: all about preserving my piece. 941 00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,240 Speaker 2: And it's hard to manage people to managing a team 942 00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,560 Speaker 2: and a business is the hardest, and it's the biggest 943 00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,680 Speaker 2: time suck because it's hardest, the biggest, the worst. It's 944 00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,440 Speaker 2: the pieces are moving. And also if you try to 945 00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:46,560 Speaker 2: please everybody, you please nobody. And the worst is when 946 00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,960 Speaker 2: I remember being pregnant and moody and like I had 947 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:51,520 Speaker 2: too much going on, and it all sounds good on 948 00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,400 Speaker 2: that little qute calendar and on an email. Sure, that 949 00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,799 Speaker 2: sounds amazing. Oh my god, it's so adorable, and then 950 00:51:57,840 --> 00:51:59,719 Speaker 2: it's there, and then you hate everyone around you that 951 00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:03,680 Speaker 2: it's and then you're moody and you're then if you're present, 952 00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:06,040 Speaker 2: which you are, you're moody, and you're like, this won't work. 953 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,000 Speaker 2: I have to be happy and everything I'm doing otherwise, 954 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:09,560 Speaker 2: what the hell? 955 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:10,520 Speaker 1: What are we doing? 956 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,400 Speaker 2: Like no one forced me to do any of this, 957 00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:15,759 Speaker 2: And it's when it affects your personality and then the 958 00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,520 Speaker 2: wheels start to come off where you have to like 959 00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:19,759 Speaker 2: be like, no, I won't do anything if I'm not 960 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,239 Speaker 2: doing it well and if I can't be kind and 961 00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,799 Speaker 2: happy doing it. And I've seen both sides of that 962 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,120 Speaker 2: for myself for sure. 963 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,440 Speaker 3: The same. I'm laughing so hard because it's so true. 964 00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:34,720 Speaker 3: I think we are just a culture who thrives off 965 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:36,920 Speaker 3: back to backs and we're going all day. And by 966 00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:40,040 Speaker 3: the way, I am a slur, like I got a 967 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,239 Speaker 3: machine you stacked? No, me too, stack things? Yeah, I 968 00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:47,120 Speaker 3: know in a day that would take people a month. 969 00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,880 Speaker 3: I'm not it's not I'm not bragging. It is just 970 00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,240 Speaker 3: in my bones. I got fud of what I can handle. 971 00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:56,759 Speaker 3: I know I'm speaking to someone who knows no. 972 00:52:56,840 --> 00:52:59,800 Speaker 2: But then you also have a recover and it becomes 973 00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,360 Speaker 2: this ebb and flow. It's almost like a work binge. 974 00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,279 Speaker 2: To be honest, if I'm being honest with myself, it's 975 00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,960 Speaker 2: almost like because your I called stacking, which is great, 976 00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,800 Speaker 2: But if I'm really gonna get really in touch with 977 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,600 Speaker 2: the truth, it's not that unlike like eating so much 978 00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,640 Speaker 2: and then starving because I find that I am a 979 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:16,320 Speaker 2: roller coaster. 980 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:16,719 Speaker 1: I am. 981 00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,359 Speaker 2: I will stack it be so ultimately productive, but then 982 00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:21,920 Speaker 2: get the fuck away from me. 983 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,960 Speaker 1: For a couple of days. Yeah, so that you know. 984 00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,080 Speaker 3: No, I'm doing that. I don't just anymore. I mean 985 00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:32,160 Speaker 3: I have there are still these moments where I have to, 986 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,479 Speaker 3: you know, level set and be like okay that day, 987 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,960 Speaker 3: drain the life to not do that again. But I 988 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,560 Speaker 3: am very different now, Like I know, I am a machine, 989 00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:47,120 Speaker 3: but I also take care of myself in a way 990 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:50,680 Speaker 3: and I really try to. I don't love the word. 991 00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:52,759 Speaker 3: I mean it's like, of course you try to balance things, 992 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,200 Speaker 3: but what is balance when you're. 993 00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:59,440 Speaker 2: Trying to prep and post and hydri Yeah, and also 994 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:01,840 Speaker 2: just like cushing yourself for the blow, because it's not 995 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:04,600 Speaker 2: going to always be a perfect situation. And it happens 996 00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:06,360 Speaker 2: with your kids, it happens with the lacrosse game, it 997 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:09,560 Speaker 2: happens with screwing something up. I mean, it happens with everything, 998 00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:11,880 Speaker 2: not just work. I get it, And I think the 999 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,920 Speaker 2: ultimate goal is to be able to be present a 1000 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,160 Speaker 2: lot of my present in both and not in a 1001 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,080 Speaker 2: cheesy way. I just mean like, if you're with your 1002 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:20,759 Speaker 2: kids and you're on your phone the whole time, then 1003 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,319 Speaker 2: you're not really with your kids. If you're working and 1004 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,960 Speaker 2: you're calling your kids all day because you're feeling guilty, 1005 00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,560 Speaker 2: you're not really working like you got to. Just if 1006 00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:30,799 Speaker 2: you commit to whatever it is, it's being parent on 1007 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,000 Speaker 2: that day going to that game, you're there, you're not 1008 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:34,600 Speaker 2: on the game on your phone the whole time, and 1009 00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 2: if you're at work, you're not on the phone with 1010 00:54:36,040 --> 00:54:36,359 Speaker 2: your kids. 1011 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,560 Speaker 1: Like that's the thing. Otherwise, don't do it. 1012 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,920 Speaker 2: Sometimes I commit to one out of two of my 1013 00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,719 Speaker 2: daughter's games a week because otherwise it becomes this thing 1014 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,680 Speaker 2: where I'm just stripped and I'm just checking the boxes 1015 00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,640 Speaker 2: and doing. Yeah, I'd just go to the game, be 1016 00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,600 Speaker 2: the mom, get the crossbody, water purse and the chair 1017 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:54,640 Speaker 2: on my back and bring the snacks and the dogs 1018 00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,000 Speaker 2: and show up and be super mom. And the other day, 1019 00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:02,040 Speaker 2: you know, the expectations aren't there, so you're doing amazing. 1020 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:05,000 Speaker 2: I think it's great. And now talking to you really 1021 00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,080 Speaker 2: like getting more textual with it has been really interesting, 1022 00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:09,360 Speaker 2: and I just think it's wonderful. 1023 00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,480 Speaker 1: I think it's I'm really happy for you. 1024 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,480 Speaker 2: I'm proud of you, and I'm happy that you found 1025 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,200 Speaker 2: this place in your life and I'm happy you're sharing it. 1026 00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,320 Speaker 1: It's it is contagious. I think it's beautiful. 1027 00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:23,240 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Bethany. Thank you, Cea. You've always 1028 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:28,120 Speaker 3: just been so inspiring to me. A woman who's never 1029 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:31,120 Speaker 3: been afraid to just share her voice in the way 1030 00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:33,080 Speaker 3: that she wants to share it. And I think that 1031 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,680 Speaker 3: we need more women who are not afraid to be 1032 00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,360 Speaker 3: who they are and to use their voice in ways 1033 00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:43,680 Speaker 3: that can change the way people see things themselves and 1034 00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:48,560 Speaker 3: just create a movement in this world of goodness, like 1035 00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:52,360 Speaker 3: we just need people who care and are doing things 1036 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,480 Speaker 3: for the better, good for all of us. 1037 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:57,759 Speaker 2: So well, likewise, thank you so much. I appreciate it. 1038 00:55:57,800 --> 00:55:59,240 Speaker 2: Thank you for coming. I'm so excited. 1039 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:00,799 Speaker 1: Was wonderful. The girl we're gonna be Oh my god, 1040 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:02,000 Speaker 1: I loved her. That was amazing. 1041 00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,640 Speaker 2: Oh well, thank you, Melissa. It was really wonderful. So 1042 00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,359 Speaker 2: let's get together in the Hamptons. We're starting soon. I'm 1043 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:08,000 Speaker 2: so excited. 1044 00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,680 Speaker 3: Amazing. I know I know where your old house was 1045 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,440 Speaker 3: because Noah had shown me when we're driving around. 1046 00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:14,960 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say it this out loud. 1047 00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:15,640 Speaker 3: Maybe I'll do you. 1048 00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,640 Speaker 2: I'm in my adventure era and I'm kind of on 1049 00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,640 Speaker 2: the verge besides my hair today, I'm kind of on 1050 00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,640 Speaker 2: the verge of a glow up just so you know, 1051 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:27,640 Speaker 2: I started nature walking every day but most days if 1052 00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,680 Speaker 2: it's nice out, and I started doing my yoga at 1053 00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,120 Speaker 2: home with this app that I like. So usually once 1054 00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:33,960 Speaker 2: I get started, I do my beach walk. I'm gonna 1055 00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:36,120 Speaker 2: be on the beach now, and I'm just about to 1056 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,439 Speaker 2: start a glow up. So I feel like you could 1057 00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:39,080 Speaker 2: take credit for. 1058 00:56:39,120 --> 00:56:40,480 Speaker 1: Part of that. I feel like I want to do. 1059 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:42,840 Speaker 2: If I I used to go, like I said to 1060 00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,279 Speaker 2: Tracy Anderson, if I would go twice a week, I 1061 00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:46,919 Speaker 2: would have been on the cover of Sports all straight. 1062 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:49,760 Speaker 2: I would have been the president of the United States. 1063 00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,520 Speaker 2: If you work out with me twice in a week 1064 00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,319 Speaker 2: in the summer, we could do it before and after, 1065 00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:59,560 Speaker 2: and the results will be remarkable, remarkable. 1066 00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:03,080 Speaker 3: I know they will. And listen, let's talk, because I 1067 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,239 Speaker 3: would seriously do something with you. 1068 00:57:05,440 --> 00:57:07,480 Speaker 1: We'll come to you. Let's do something. 1069 00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:09,800 Speaker 3: I'm going to show you like this is what I 1070 00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:13,239 Speaker 3: always say, because I don't typically do privates, right, But 1071 00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:16,160 Speaker 3: of course there's certain things I love to do it. 1072 00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:18,400 Speaker 3: I love the class energy. 1073 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:21,080 Speaker 1: But I'm on the verge of a glow up, though, Melissa. 1074 00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,840 Speaker 3: So I'm ready to It's also just to show how 1075 00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,960 Speaker 3: less is more and the art of like you will 1076 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,000 Speaker 3: be amazed. Give me twenty minutes, and. 1077 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,640 Speaker 2: I want you to create something from me with my 1078 00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:36,120 Speaker 2: workouts online every day after Okay, that's all right. What 1079 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,480 Speaker 2: I want to do is come to your house and 1080 00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,720 Speaker 2: just take off my clothes and sleep with you. No, 1081 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,760 Speaker 2: I want to come to your house and take off 1082 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,560 Speaker 2: my clothes and show you my body, which is like 1083 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:51,320 Speaker 2: thinner fifty three year old woman needs a little tightness, 1084 00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:52,360 Speaker 2: needs a little like. 1085 00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,520 Speaker 3: I've seen you in a bikini in Miami and you 1086 00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:59,000 Speaker 3: are a babe. Please listen, I rock a bikini. That's 1087 00:57:59,000 --> 00:57:59,760 Speaker 3: what I'm saying. 1088 00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,840 Speaker 2: We are so close, like if I tighten it up 1089 00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:04,880 Speaker 2: a little, like the butt is a little in pancakey. 1090 00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:06,960 Speaker 1: It's like that, you know. I mean, yes, I pull it. 1091 00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:07,680 Speaker 3: It's good. 1092 00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,320 Speaker 2: It's good, but it could be great, and this is 1093 00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,560 Speaker 2: the summer for it. So I want to come over 1094 00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,760 Speaker 2: and I want to like be in like a Dove campaign, 1095 00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:17,480 Speaker 2: just like wear normal like you know, I want to 1096 00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,520 Speaker 2: wear a bra and I want to show you and 1097 00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,919 Speaker 2: we'll take a picture, and I want you to give 1098 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:24,400 Speaker 2: me a prescription. I can tell you what I'm already doing, 1099 00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:27,040 Speaker 2: and I will take the X number of time, and 1100 00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,120 Speaker 2: then we will come back and we will regroup and 1101 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:31,400 Speaker 2: we will see how the glow up looks. 1102 00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:36,200 Speaker 3: I will guide you, and I feel very confident that 1103 00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:39,320 Speaker 3: you are going to well because you're going to see 1104 00:58:39,400 --> 00:58:42,240 Speaker 3: how it fits into your life and you don't believe. 1105 00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,040 Speaker 3: And it's like you can do it at home and 1106 00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:49,200 Speaker 3: your daughter, I mean the amount of mother daughters that 1107 00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,160 Speaker 3: that is the part that I mean, if anyone can 1108 00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,320 Speaker 3: get me, it's when the moms come up and they're like, 1109 00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:58,320 Speaker 3: you help my daughter through the heart, and she's like, 1110 00:58:58,320 --> 00:58:59,040 Speaker 3: can I do it with her? 1111 00:58:59,080 --> 00:59:00,960 Speaker 2: And I'm just like, right, brain would love it too. 1112 00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,960 Speaker 2: It's cute, right the mom You're like, yes, okay, no, 1113 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:06,880 Speaker 2: you have the moms. The moms are the back yeah, 1114 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:11,320 Speaker 2: the book. But I want to see results, Melissa, what help? Okay, Okay, 1115 00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:13,480 Speaker 2: I want to see results. Otherwise I'll just go to 1116 00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,400 Speaker 2: Marquis with Noah and dance on a speaker and get 1117 00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,760 Speaker 2: in shape that way. But something's got to give, So 1118 00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:19,520 Speaker 2: I'm ready for. 1119 00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:19,960 Speaker 1: My glow up. 1120 00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:24,240 Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, amazing, I awesome, have a good day. Thank 1121 00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,120 Speaker 3: you so much. Thank