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Speaker 3: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he

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Speaker 3: is the Matt Williamson and Matt over the weekend. Rock

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Speaker 3: Party signs a five year, two hundred and sixty five

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Speaker 3: million dollar deal with the San Francisco forty nine Ers.

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Speaker 3: One hundred and eighty one million guaranteed. With that contract,

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Speaker 3: that is quote unquote franchise quarterback money. Yeah, it is, yeah,

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Speaker 3: for a non franchise quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I have mixed feelings on it. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: really hard for me, at least, I'm not trust me.

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Speaker 1: I took two or three economics classes at UPJ poorly.

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Speaker 1: And it's fast as the league is growing, and as

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Speaker 1: fast as the salary cap is going up, and how

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Speaker 1: these contracts, not just a party one, have been thrown

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Speaker 3: It's not going to be five years to sixteen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but the league is just so healthy and growing

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Speaker 1: so fast it's hard to judge, you know, the value.

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Speaker 1: I mean because percentage of cap, he's only like fourteenth

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Speaker 1: sixteenth in a year and twentieth and two years, and

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Speaker 1: that's fine with me. They're sort of in a similar

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Speaker 1: situation to Steelers to me, in that they let a

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Speaker 1: lot of free agents go go this offseason knowing none

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Speaker 1: to be a lot of compics in the future. You know,

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Speaker 1: Jalen Moore wasn't a starter for them. Dan Moore had

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Speaker 1: a lot of Super Bowl trophies floating around in San

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Speaker 1: Francisco and Pittsburgh that you can't just be like we're

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Speaker 3: And I completely understand that. Yeah, I mean I see

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Speaker 3: those times. I'm looking here at the average yearly salaries

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Speaker 3: for quarterbacks. You got Dak Prescott at sixty million per year,

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Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence is fifty five, Jordan Love is fifty five.

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Speaker 3: Then you get the Josh Allen at fifty five, Joe

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Speaker 1: Well, that to me, that's the okay. I had good

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Speaker 1: is if you just look at like this and oh,

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Speaker 3: be underpaid if these other quarterbacks weren't overpaid?

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Speaker 1: See, I think the way to look at it is

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Speaker 1: that's what the agents are saying, bargain, that's what the

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Speaker 1: And to me, that's the that's the price. I mean now,

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Speaker 1: Alan and Mahomes, they've restructured a couple times. They have

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Speaker 1: hundreds of millions guaranteed, right, you know, they have unbelievable security.

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Speaker 3: Well, in terms of overall guarantee. Allan's full guarantee is

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Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty million dollars.

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Speaker 3: I mean he's fully guaranteed, is not. It's not Deshaun Watson,

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Speaker 3: Like Deshaun Watson is still the top of two hundred

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Speaker 1: You got to burn that contract. I mean, that's the

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Speaker 3: But that's the one that kind of touched this whole

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Speaker 3: when Patrick Mahomes signed his initial deal, it was ten.

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Speaker 1: Year, it was a ten year deal, and now it's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, ten years, four hundred and fifty million dollars. Wow,

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Speaker 1: My god, but the bargain of a century.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because his his base salary, like his base salary

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Speaker 3: keep going back. They're going to keep continuing to push

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Speaker 1: Rarely did they just play out as right as you

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Speaker 3: But how many of these teams right now as we've

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Speaker 3: he'll be the eleventh quarterback with an average deal that

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Speaker 3: of more than fifty million dollars eleven. I'm gonna go

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Speaker 1: I think that's two different conversations, But I'm cool with that.

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Speaker 3: I'm not paying a guy if he's not a franchise quarterback,

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Speaker 3: I ain't paying him more than fifty million dollars.

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Speaker 1: Let me say one thing first, Like I mentioned the

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Speaker 1: Sando tiers, and I believed this even before this inflation

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Speaker 1: If you're a Tier one guy, that doesn't matter, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Tier three I'm gonna have a hard time paying unless

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Speaker 1: other options? I mean, that's where it gets foggy to me.

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Speaker 3: So here here's the group. Dak Prescott, Trevor Lawrence, Jordan Love,

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Speaker 3: Jalen Hurts. Those are the quarterbacks making more than fifty

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Speaker 1: No, he's not, which again, is weird because he's got

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Speaker 1: And makes eleven okay? So perty aside, I think all

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure Miami's thrilled with two of I don't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think he's trending the right direction.

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Speaker 3: Though he's the second. He's in that group of second

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Speaker 1: I know. But this also changes like by the minute.

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Speaker 3: Because you because in their situation, they essentially wasted the

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Speaker 1: Another odd situation because then the deal he signed kind

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Speaker 1: the Elliotts of the world, like, boy, that's a bargain,

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Speaker 1: you know, like there should be more of a sliding scale.

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Speaker 1: And the quarterback stuff is basically and you open the

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Speaker 1: show with this franchise quarterbacks get fifty. Now, now the

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Speaker 1: question is is pretty well now a franchise.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Prescott's making sixty. Yeah, so when these when

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Speaker 3: this year, when the franchise, a real franchise quarterbacks start

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Speaker 3: negotiating their deals, they're going to want more than sixty.

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Speaker 1: But they kind of get it because they get long

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Speaker 3: For example, like Lamar Jackson's contract voids in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: Eight, He'll get an unbelievable amoment.

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Speaker 3: He's got two years left on his deal. Basically, he's

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Speaker 3: making his cap hit is forty three point five million

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Speaker 3: point five million dollars his base salary.

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Speaker 1: I bet they restructure this year.

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Speaker 1: But they're thrilled to pay it.

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Speaker 3: what have they gotten out of that? A lot have they?

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Speaker 3: Because I haven't seen them in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: I mean they're like seventy five percent winning percentage when

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Speaker 3: Great, and that's fantastic what I mean. Like, but we're

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Speaker 3: having the argument in Pittsburgh all the time. Well, regular

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Speaker 3: season wins don't matter if you don't get playoff wins. Right,

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Speaker 1: Right, he also has two MVPs and he's going to

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame. I mean, he's worth every penny.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I get it.

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Speaker 1: It's like the Bills situation is the Bills one's even

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Speaker 1: it's it has not been Allen's fault at all. I mean,

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Speaker 3: So his contract, he just signed this new deal, so

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Speaker 3: it actually is okay for them because he's for the

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Speaker 3: short term forever. The short term is cap number he

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Speaker 3: just resigned. His cap number this year is thirty six

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Speaker 3: point three million, Okay, great, Next year goes to fifty

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Speaker 1: Okay, but that's a million miles away.

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Speaker 3: And then seventy nine point eight and twenty thirty when

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Speaker 1: Okay, So again, you next three or four though, or fantastic,

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Speaker 3: But you're still kicking the can down the road with

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Speaker 3: And that the quarterback doesn't pull and Andrew luck on

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Speaker 1: I don't know what that. I guess like an Alan

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, that's what guaranteed means.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So I mean you're done no matter what.

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Speaker 3: The team might fight it and say you need to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because, as I say, I think they have some

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Speaker 3: But for for example, the Jaguars with Trevor Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: See that one could go south. Oh, it could go

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Speaker 1: way south. Right, That one was a little presumption.

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Speaker 3: His cap pit His cap pits aren't ridiculous. He's seventeen

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Speaker 3: million this year, twenty four million next year, thirty five,

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Speaker 3: forty seven. Then it balloons to seventy eight point five

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Speaker 1: But she may not even be a jag in twenty nine, right,

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Speaker 4: He's not he's a jag, he's going to be a drag, right,

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Speaker 4: he won't be a jag if he's a jag, all right,

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Speaker 4: A good point, which is probably true with Party too,

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Speaker 4: because I remember having the same conversation with Tua, like.

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Speaker 1: I'd rather pay Party than Tua. I mean, especially with

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Speaker 3: I guess I don't want to. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: real kind of money. It's the problem. Like, which is

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Speaker 3: why when the Steelers make this move to get a quarterback,

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Speaker 3: you can't settle for a Shador Sanders or a Canny.

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Speaker 1: Pickett, right right. That's that's really the lesson.

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Speaker 3: Here, you know, And I think they learned that lesson

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can. I enjoyed it, Yeah, yeah, it's better

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Speaker 1: than you know, Like what what Peacock was saying today

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Speaker 3: Of course they want to pay Fred Warner now too, right, right, right.

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Speaker 1: But he's like, if I I'm cool with it, if

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Speaker 1: all the bad ones you do, but you definitely are

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Speaker 1: at a disadvantage key times. Right, that's the thing that

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Speaker 1: has to be perfect. I'm just looking at some of

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Speaker 1: but it's still you're you're still paying on basically around

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Speaker 1: And the Eagles did it maybe even a year before

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Speaker 1: Should the Dolphins, Cardinals, let's just leave those two two

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Speaker 1: But like, should the Dolphins and Cardinals? Should they drafted

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Speaker 1: That's cheap, it's not a first that thought you could

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Speaker 3: Take me the Dolphin situation with Tagovai Looa is he's

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Speaker 3: six million dollars a year.

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Speaker 1: While you're trading Ramsey and Tyreek, and.

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Speaker 3: He's fifty six point four million against the cap. Next

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Speaker 3: year he's fifty three point four million, and twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: seven he's sixty five point eight million in the final

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Speaker 3: voidable years on there, where he's eleven million dollars in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, which is small potatoes.

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Speaker 3: Though it's small potatoes. But for a team that went

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Speaker 3: your quarterback has to be an elevator at that point. Yes,

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Speaker 3: he can't just be a guy.

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Speaker 3: Mike McDaniel see the end of that contract, not the

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Speaker 1: But Shanahan will likely I mean likely, I mean I

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Speaker 3: Well unless he goes back to back losing seasons one year.

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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, I mean the quarterback conversation aside, because the

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Speaker 3: You're not spending the wheel on the right on the roulette.

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Speaker 1: And it's different if it's you know that they didn't

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Speaker 1: we have the elevator. We know he's an elevator. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Miller move didn't work out, but that doesn't mean they

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying any of them are bad quarterbacks. I'm

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Speaker 3: just saying I want if I'm going to pay that

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Speaker 1: Might be time for them to draft one, I mean,

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Speaker 3: He's thirty two million against the cap this year, thirty

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Speaker 3: two point six, okay, that's manageable. Well, next year that

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Speaker 1: I mean, some of these guys like Seul have already

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Speaker 1: eighty five percent of what he looks like With Johnson,

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Speaker 1: but what's he going to be when he's thirty three

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Speaker 3: Right, which is what they And again when he's when

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you start restructing and his base salary is fifty

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Speaker 3: six and twenty seven. It's sixty one point six and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean unless he can have a Stafford

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Speaker 1: He's for picking the draft and he's a good player,

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Speaker 3: No, because you saw it with Stafford this year. He's

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Speaker 1: To these and that's why he was quote interesting getting

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Speaker 3: I think if I'd have been the forty nine ers,

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Speaker 3: i'd looked. I didn't. I didn't at least investigated trading him,

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Speaker 3: and this wasn't the year to do it. It depends

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Speaker 1: Yeah maybe, sure, not last year. But then they were

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Speaker 1: That was there their big They always have one of these,

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Speaker 3: The same reason, and I don't want this segment to

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Speaker 1: Are you cool with that? Yeah, of course they're not

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Speaker 1: cool with that. I mean Party has massive respect in

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Speaker 1: that room and is a leader and has outkicked everyone's coverage.

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Speaker 1: Does that mean he's good enough to outdo Mahomes? Probably not.

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Speaker 1: But we're not building a fantasy team or a stock portfolio.

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Speaker 1: You gotta go to Cam Hayward and look him in the.

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Speaker 3: Face and be like, well, I know you're almost at

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Speaker 3: the end here, but we're gonna yeah, we're gonna tank

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Speaker 3: it here.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we took a kid from Indiana in the seventh round.

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Speaker 1: We feeling good about him, and we signed Jones, so

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Speaker 1: we're just gonna let him go and trade him for

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Speaker 1: a third round pick. Well, Bosa's not gonna be real

446
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Speaker 1: happy about that. Big Trent Williams is going to throw

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Speaker 1: you through the locker.

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Speaker 3: He never retire, right, and be like okay, and then

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Speaker 3: I'm out. That's enough.

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Speaker 1: McCaffrey's like, trade me, I think got one more year.

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Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. Yeah, and then you got a disaster.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: I am dale Lolly. You're listening to the driver here

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Speaker 3: on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and I will be

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Speaker 3: back with more right after this.

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Speaker 2: At least he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the

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Speaker 2: Black and Gold cast in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: And welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly,

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Speaker 3: he is the Matt Williamson and Matt. One of the

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Speaker 3: things we do here from time to time is take

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Speaker 3: a look at the depth charts in the AFC North.

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Speaker 3: I figured, now that we're through free agency for the

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Speaker 3: most part, draft and everything, let's take a look at

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Speaker 3: this and see how we would rank these groups one

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Speaker 3: through four, and in the AFC North, we'll start at quarterbacks.

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Speaker 3: Is the most important position you've got for the Ravens

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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow in Cincinnati right now, it's Joe

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Speaker 3: Flacco in Cleveland. I assume that's gonna hold up.

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Speaker 1: I bet who knows at least three different guys started

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Speaker 1: this year, and we're going to work off of the

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Speaker 1: assumption that Aaron Rodgers does sign with the Steelers. To me,

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Speaker 1: it's very easy to put the Browns forth. Yeah, and

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Speaker 1: they might be the worst quarterback room in the league period.

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Speaker 3: I would actually take their quarterback group over.

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Speaker 1: The Saints, fair okay, yeah, yeah, minus car that's pretty bad.

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Speaker 1: I mean both started played football. Yeah yeah, so they

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Speaker 1: would be.

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Speaker 3: The unquestioned starters right now in New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: Right right, right? Yeah, okay, that's fair.

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Speaker 3: But therefore Mason Rudolph might be the question starter right

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Speaker 3: now in New Orleans.

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Speaker 1: They might win the job in Cleveland. I mean he's yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean they're they're all maybe shock looks great, Maybe

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Speaker 1: should looks shocked as much as anybody. My god, I

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Speaker 1: mean it's him and Ratler. It's it's not promising.

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Speaker 3: Ratler was awful last year.

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Speaker 1: Steelers are clearly three. Yeah, and if we want to

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Speaker 1: fight about Lamarvar's Burrow Burrow verus Lamar great, but it's

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Speaker 1: probably a lot of wasted air, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: I think i'd take Lamar, But uh, they're awesome. Let's

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Speaker 1: look at running back. You've got Derrick Henry in Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: Chase Brown in Cincinnati, Quinn Shawn Judkins in Cleveland, and

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Speaker 1: Jay Warren slash Caleb Johnson. Really, and that's the the

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Speaker 1: Steelers one is the only one where it's like a

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Speaker 1: kind of a real try and flash right, Like, I

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Speaker 1: don't think Samson's going to really cut into junkins.

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Speaker 3: Nor is Jerome Ford. No, they're just guy.

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Speaker 1: I think they'd like the since he really has a

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Speaker 1: habit of running their running back into the ground. I

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Speaker 1: think they'd like to get away from that a little.

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Speaker 1: But Chase Brown's gonna be the guy. I think Henry

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Speaker 1: has to be one, right, he has to be one.

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Speaker 1: But it'd be nice to have a receiving back, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of mixed in. I know they like

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Speaker 1: Justice Hill, but I'd take something better than that.

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Speaker 3: I think the Steelers might be number two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's tough. Chase Brown's numbers are good,

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Speaker 1: but I think he's four.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, would he do any would he would? Jaylen Warren

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Speaker 3: have done different, any different, probably would have done better.

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Speaker 1: I mean you talking about like box count not at

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Speaker 1: all and he's fine but well with it. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: think he'd be four for me that room. I guess

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Speaker 1: I'd rather have Judkins than Johnson, but not with Warren

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Speaker 1: mixed in. Yeah, and even gay right, I don't take

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Speaker 1: the Steelers two. Yeah. Uh.

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Speaker 3: Moving on to the wide receiver position, I'll take the

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Speaker 3: Bengals the Bengals would be number one. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 3: that's pretty clear with what they have there with Chase

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Speaker 3: Higgins and could.

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Speaker 1: Be me right and the three of us right.

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Speaker 3: Uh, You've got in Baltimore Hopkins, Rashad Bateman's a Flowers.

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Speaker 1: I think I like Bateman more than you, and I'm

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Speaker 1: a Flowers guy. I don't put much stock in.

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Speaker 3: Hop Hopkins doesn't right off for me. Cleveland is Jerry Judy,

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Speaker 3: Jamari Thrash, Cedric Tillman.

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Speaker 1: I like Tilman. I think Judy's still overrated, but he

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Speaker 1: had a good year.

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Speaker 3: With the Steelers. You're looking at DK Metcalf, Calvin Austin,

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Speaker 3: and then either it's either gonna be Roman Wilson or

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Speaker 3: Robert Woods at this point mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: I think the Ravens are clearly too.

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Speaker 3: I'll take the Steelers group over Cleveland's.

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Speaker 1: I'm still not sold on Judy.

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Speaker 3: I think Metcalf's a better player than anybody that they have.

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Speaker 1: Do buy one thousand percent. I would love to have Tillman,

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Speaker 1: you know, like, if I Tilman or Judy is my

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Speaker 1: two next to Metcalf, I'd be really happy. But the

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Speaker 1: rest of those dudes don't do anything for me. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think I'll just take the star. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: And I also think this conversation would be different.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be yeah, yeah, yeah, yep, I agree. Looking

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Speaker 3: at the offensive lines, this might surprise people.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I can't get them all in one group here, so

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Speaker 3: that's going to be the problem.

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Speaker 1: We don't even have to spill out the names. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I I pretty much can tell you. I mean, the

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Speaker 1: Bengals have I would say one promising tackle.

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Speaker 3: Really, the conversation is which which line would you rather have?

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Speaker 3: The Steelers line or the Ravens line.

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Speaker 1: I think I was just start to bottom up, but

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Speaker 1: I think the two Ohio teams are near the bottom.

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Speaker 1: I think. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: When we did went through the offensive line rankings a

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Speaker 3: couple of weeks ago, they were both well down the list,

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Speaker 3: and that you could argue which ones.

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Speaker 1: If you look at the brown starting five, it's Teller

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Speaker 1: and Botonio and some name names. But they're kind of

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Speaker 1: holding on for a last Yeah. Well passed there, Well

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Speaker 1: passed absolutely, and they're when their O line coach went

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Speaker 1: with his son to Tennessee, it showed up big. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna put the Bengals last. The Browns third Steelers. First,

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Speaker 1: I really was.

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Speaker 3: Going to give the nod to the Ravens just because

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Speaker 3: they've got it's been well. I can't even say it's

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Speaker 3: been together longer because they're change and.

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Speaker 1: A lot of stuff changing there too. That was kind

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Speaker 1: of my thoughts. And I think Lamar and Henry make

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Speaker 1: up for a lot of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think Linderbaum and Fraser cancel each other out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put Stanley as the next best of the

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Speaker 1: other eight, you know, but I think their guards are bad, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean they'd like Isaac, they'd like McCormick. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Defensive fronts I think is the best in the league.

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Speaker 1: I know people think I'm insane, but I.

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Speaker 3: Would agree with that. I think in this division I

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Speaker 3: would put two is two is where it gets difficult

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Speaker 3: because Garrett carries some.

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Speaker 1: Weight a lot. But is it The Ravens have a

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Speaker 1: good collection.

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Speaker 3: They have they had the better collection, guys.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess the brown or the Bengals have to

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Speaker 1: be last. And if you lose Hendrickson, they're the worst

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Speaker 1: the league. Yeah, you know, but he's he carries some

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Speaker 1: weight though, too. I mean, let's not discredit up.

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Speaker 3: I mean the Ravens would love to have him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they've used first round picks on him. Maybe

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Speaker 1: this year is better than last years, but the d

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Speaker 1: tackles are bad. I'm putting the Ravens over the Browns. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: At that position though it is it sucks playing against

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Speaker 1: an awesome one and the Ravens have to do it

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Speaker 1: six times a year against Hendrick Hendrickson and the other guys.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'd almost rather play I guess this is

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Speaker 1: the question to throw you would you rather play against

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Speaker 1: the Ravens front or Garrett and the Pips. He's such

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Speaker 1: a problem, but I think he is off on that

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Speaker 1: team's not enough if they have one more dude. Well,

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Speaker 1: they did take Mason Graham.

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Speaker 3: Kind of see him moving the needle as a rookie.

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Speaker 3: I just don't see it. They've always had another guy. Yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he may not be great, but he was another guy

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Speaker 3: that could.

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Speaker 1: I hadn't thought of him though when I was ranking

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Speaker 1: them in my head, I was just thinking a bunch

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Speaker 1: of three other dudes. And we don't love Mason Graham

609
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Speaker 1: anyone listening, but he was a fourth pick in the draft.

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Speaker 1: He's not terrible. I think got tilt with the Ravens

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Speaker 1: ahead of them.

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Speaker 3: I would put the Ravens have more because they.

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Speaker 1: Also drafted on the second round. The should have been

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Speaker 1: a first round pick. Yeah, you know, they just have

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Speaker 1: more Matta Bouquet and they got the big nose tackle

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Speaker 1: types and their physicals could.

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Speaker 3: Be inside backer.

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Speaker 1: But let's not put j Ok on the list.

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Speaker 3: So here's here's the group. So the other teams in

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Speaker 3: the division only play one dude, so mostly for the

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Speaker 3: Ravens it's Roquan Smith.

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Speaker 1: Logan. The guys have been a problems and hasn't they

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Speaker 1: They have not had a queen.

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Speaker 3: Replacement Logan Wilson and Cincinnati Jordan Hicks in.

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Speaker 1: And they both those teams draft won the second round,

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Speaker 1: and I assume we'll play a lot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but they also it gets a little cloudy when

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Speaker 3: you start talking.

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Speaker 1: About off It's definitely not three. You never look at

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Speaker 1: them like the threesome. It's not like, you know, Ham

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Speaker 1: Lambert and the Rustle. I'm gonna go one to the

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Speaker 1: Ravens with Roquan two to the Steelers. The other ones

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Speaker 1: are tough. The other ones are bad. Yeah, and their rookies,

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Speaker 1: I mean, which why you're going to bring.

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Speaker 3: The problem last year for the Bengals. In addition to

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Speaker 3: their they drafted two linebackers. They're guys up front not

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Speaker 3: being great, right. Their linebackers were awful, awful, And I

638
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Speaker 3: know a lot of people you know when when Logan

639
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 3: Wilson first came in the league and he was a

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Speaker 3: he made plays, yes, and he's not horrible, but he

641
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 3: makes some splash plays. But he doesn't do enough of

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Speaker 3: anything else right right, and now he's starting to lose

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Speaker 3: a step.

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Speaker 1: Protecting him is a little more important than other guys too.

645
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: And Jermaine Pratt he's more of a problem.

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Speaker 3: He's just a guy.

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Speaker 1: He's like, I want traded, but nobody wants trade for him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, nobody wants him. He's been available, they would trade

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Speaker 3: him for any.

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Speaker 1: And they gave him decent. I thought he might even

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Speaker 1: get cut. He actually making money, but he is a

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Speaker 1: mistake by them. I guess I'll go with the Browns

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Speaker 1: just because I think Schweasterners are pretty good prospect in

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Speaker 1: the top of the second round. And who's the other

655
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Speaker 1: one that plays for them?

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00:32:51,720 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 3: Ticks has had an okay career, Yeah, cornerback. I think

657
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 3: Cleveland's best.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 3: The group with Ward Martin. You know they get they

660
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 3: got three deep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that are all good. I think the Bengals are

662
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: the worst.

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00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, DJ Turner and Cam Taylor Bridd.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Turner is still an incomplete but he's showing nothing. Right.

665
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: It's Dax's getting benched off and online right right right? No,

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Speaker 1: I think their last Yeah for the you know, then

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00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: you look take the Ravens of those Steelers with Humphrey

668
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: and Wiggins. Wiggins came on pretty strong as the whole

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Speaker 1: defense did. I like their depth a little better too.

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Speaker 1: I'd probably take I don't know if i'd take Porter

671
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: verus Humphreys. They're really different. Yeah, they're just yeah, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would put the Ravens ahead the Steeler if I.

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Speaker 3: Were starting a team today. Or I would go with

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Speaker 3: Porter because he's a younger player.

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Speaker 1: But who do you want now? Humphrey is still pretty good. Yeah.

676
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 3: At safety for the Ravens, it's Malachi starts, Cayle Hamilton

677
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 3: with a dish Washington is which is a blow to them.

678
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:04,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does.

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00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 3: You got Geno Stone and Jordan Battle in Cincinnati. You've

680
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,280
Speaker 3: got Ronnie Hickman and Grant Delpit in Cleveland. Mekea Fitzpatrick

681
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Speaker 3: Deshaun Elliott in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 1: Bengals are four. Delp. It's a really good player, but

683
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: they're three.

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00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 3: Thornhill carries some weight here. Yeah, he does the best

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Speaker 3: number three in the division.

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Speaker 1: The Thornhill Washington thing might be enough for me to

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Speaker 1: go Steelers.

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00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a that's a blow for them. He played

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Speaker 3: well for them down the stretch.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I assume they knew that when they drafted Starks

691
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Speaker 1: or had some INKL.

692
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 3: Had to have.

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Speaker 1: I mean he didn't think.

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Speaker 3: I think they would have drafted Starks regardless thing because

695
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,640
Speaker 3: Washington really is better served being a three. He was

696
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 3: forced into that that two spot last year because the

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00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 3: other guys all were terrible, right, right, he was smart

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00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 3: and that's why they were giving up all those big

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00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: plays because they just had no answer free save.

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Speaker 1: Mass Right now, I could argue, I mean, going forward,

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Speaker 1: I might not take any safety tandem over Starks and Hamilton.

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Speaker 3: Right, But he's a rookie. Yeah, I mean you spent

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00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: you spent first round picks on those two guys three

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00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 3: years apart, right, I mean I'd say it a weird

705
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 3: safe Yeah.

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Speaker 1: If Starks has as good a year as Elliott, did

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Speaker 1: last year. They should be thrilled. Yeah, so I'll take Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's fair.

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Speaker 1: Especially with Thornhill over Washington. They're close. They're both probably

710
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:37,200
Speaker 1: top six or seven safety units in the league, maybe higher.

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00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the all important place kicker position up at

712
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 3: the Ravens last, right, and I would I would actually

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Speaker 3: put the Bengals third with Evan McPherson.

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Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, yeah, and that's pretty clear order.

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Speaker 3: I should say McPherson's second, Dustin Hopkins's right right in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Is yeah, third, and bas is far and away number one.

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00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, so there it is.

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Speaker 1: We're not doing long snappers, I don't think. So let's

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00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: give a Steelers a node. It seems like a good

720
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 1: guy punters are all right for Steelers.

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Speaker 3: But you know, in the grand scheme, I mean yeah,

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00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 3: the Ravens are more consistently at the top of that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Bengals are not.

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00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean again, I would take I would trade

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00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 1: being first died off the ball linebacker for being first

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Speaker 1: to quarterbacks.

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00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 3: The problem is there is there's outside of their skill

729
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 3: position players on offense, the receivers in particular, Yeah, everything else.

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Speaker 1: Is they really haven't team built at all.

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Speaker 3: I mean they're they're third or worst and basically everything

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Speaker 3: else across the board.

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Speaker 1: Right, and the Browns team is projected to win like

734
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Speaker 1: five games in the division. Yeah, you know what I mean.

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00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 1: So you would think the Browns should be fourth consistently.

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Speaker 3: It's a bad team build in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Right, they have three four great players? Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: Higgins is pretty much a great player. You know, if

739
00:36:56,239 --> 00:37:01,880
Speaker 1: Mims turns into one and Schimore stut words, nice, I

740
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: mean that's such projection though both those guys are the

741
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: same game.

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Speaker 3: Because you know Mims will be on your offensive line,

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00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 3: so he'd be one out of five.

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00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: Right, right, right, that still doesn't You're right, and they're

745
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: both like the same prospect. They're both ultra talented, did

746
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: nothing in college develop them, and they develop really poorly.

747
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: They keep making the same draft type of mistakes. But

748
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: big school never move in the draft super high potential.

749
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: Our coaches will get the most out of them. Your

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00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 1: coaches aren't getting the most out of them.

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00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 3: So essentially, I think we would both agree that Joe

752
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 3: Burrow last season could have been the league MVP.

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Speaker 1: I was sited thinking like, is he more valuable than

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00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,759
Speaker 1: Mahomes he might be. I mean, just in terms of

755
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: what for them to win with that team build, it's bonker.

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00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 3: He has to wear the Superman cape every single week,

757
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 3: and he does, and they still live, right and and

758
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 3: he and he's actually he can be outstanding, and they

759
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: still lose the game because they can't stop anything.

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Speaker 1: Right right right, Like when we talked about the Watson trade,

761
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 1: and I believe this to no end the day the

762
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: trade was made. If he's not a top five quarterback,

763
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: it's a bad trade. Yeah, well he wasn't, right. Burrow

764
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: has to be a top five quarterback every week, and

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Speaker 1: he is, and it still isn't quite working. Yeah, you know,

766
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,320
Speaker 1: like they're asking him to wear the Superman cape and

767
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: he says, sure, give me it. I'll save or not

768
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: Gotham where they'll save a different city. But he still

769
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: loses a Lex Luthor when it's all done, you know,

770
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: because he's going to do so much. It's still there, right,

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00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 1: and it's.

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Speaker 3: Not his it's in his own back pocket because it's

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Speaker 3: his own defense and offensive line.

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Speaker 1: And is people making draft picks.

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00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, So anyways, they just thought that would be a

776
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 3: little interesting, a little way to look at things. There today,

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Speaker 3: let's get to another break. He is the Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 3: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the driver on

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Speaker 3: the Steelers Audio Network, Matt, and I'll be back with

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Speaker 3: more right after this.

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Speaker 2: At least he's the drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson on your twenty four to seven Home of the

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Speaker 2: Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 3: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly. He is

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Speaker 3: the Matt Williamson and Matt. Just to finish up our

786
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Speaker 3: number one here, there are still some name players. Oh yeah,

787
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 3: there's quite a bit available out there. One of them

788
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 3: was asked. Jamal Adams was asked about possibility going back

789
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Speaker 3: to New York.

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00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: I saw the headline on that.

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00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 3: He said, I'd love to finish back with the Jets,

792
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 3: And that was like three really to be anywhere right now?

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00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 1: I say, he just wants a job and we'll be

794
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: lucky to get one. He was He's a brand name, dude.

795
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure people were like, bring them the Steelers.

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00:39:56,560 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: He never really fit the essentially a linebacker, he's not big.

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00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: Enough to quite do it. And he's really a tweener

798
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: and tweeners used to be a bad word then it

799
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 1: became your versatile, but it's still a bad word if

800
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Speaker 1: you're a tweener, if you can't like line up and

801
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Speaker 1: play the position.

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Speaker 3: The big mistake was him was Seattle give up to

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00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 3: two first round draft picks for him, right, I mean,

804
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: and then the secondary mistake there was the Jets not

805
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 3: doing anything with.

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Speaker 1: Said everybody screwed that up.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I mean they got players out of it,

808
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Speaker 3: and they're good players.

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00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,840
Speaker 1: But I think that was Joe Douglas's first move was

810
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: I inherit this Jets team, the safety who everyone thinks

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Speaker 1: is awesome once out or once you get paid huge,

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Speaker 1: I'm shopping him and I got two firsts and I

813
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: didn't have to pay him. Yeah, now, what you did

814
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: with him was a mistake, but that is great business.

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Speaker 3: Interestingly enough, and this was ironic today, Joe Douglas just

816
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 3: got hired with the Eagles in a scouting role. So

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00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 3: he's oh, did he really? He's going back to Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I think that's where he started.

819
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 3: That's where he started. Yeah, yeah, and he is now

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00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 3: returning to the Eagles in a scouting role after being

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Speaker 3: the GM of the Jets.

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Speaker 1: And interesting, I could see him getting to be a

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Speaker 1: GM again. I mean that's a tough gig working for

824
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: the Jets ownership and all that. His drafts were so so,

825
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: But Adams is a crazy one.

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Speaker 3: I mean, everybody made a big one. They got they

827
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Speaker 3: had three first round draft picks and they you know, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Trying to think of where that year was. I know

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Speaker 1: Sauce was one of them. One of them was Jermaine

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Speaker 1: Johnson Wilson that draft saws and Wilson as Wilson Jermaine

831
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Speaker 1: Johnson was at the end of the first round who

832
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: was hurt all last year, but they picked him was

833
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,879
Speaker 1: fifth your option, I mean like him, so that part

834
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: wasn't bad. They always say, I'm not sure was he there?

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Speaker 1: The Wilson pick is what is not Garrett the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what they netted out of the you know,

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Speaker 3: having the two first round, they got Zach Wilson, Elijah

838
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 3: Vera Tucker with the first twenty twenty one. Then they

839
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Speaker 3: had the three first round picks, and that said five

840
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 3: first round draft picks in two years, three in two years,

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00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 3: and ended up with because the Adams tra Zach Wilson,

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00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 3: Elijah Vera Tucker, who was the fourteenth overall pick in

843
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 3: the draft, Sauce Gardner who was fourth, Garrett Wilson, who

844
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Speaker 3: was tenth, and then Jermaine Johnson who was twenty sixth.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty good except for the Zach Wilson pick is

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00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: one of the.

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Speaker 3: Worst in Arah Tucker at fourteen is just kind of him.

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Speaker 1: And Johnson need to stay healthy when they've been on

849
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: the field. But he's not good.

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00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 3: He's essentially a guard. Oh, he is a guard.

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00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: And then when they drafted him as he Scornski, you

852
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 1: know one of those type of prospects Will Campbell is

853
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: he is he the length for tackle? Is he a guard?

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00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 3: He's a guard and you took and you took him

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00:42:38,360 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: fourteenth overall. Yeah, which is the problem, but it's not

856
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,640
Speaker 3: a miss. But you had five, you had four premium

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00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 3: picks in the top fourteen, top fourteen high picks, high picks,

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00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 3: and you came out of it. It's been pretty bad

859
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 3: after that trade. Zach Wilson, Eliza Vera, Tucker, Sauce Gardner,

860
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson. Now Gardner and Garrett Wilson are very good players,

861
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 3: very good players, but you blew it on Zach Wilson.

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00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson's what destroys you.

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00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 3: And Verah Tucker's a guard. I can't take a guard

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00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 3: at fourteen unless he's Alan Fanica.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but again, I don't think it's a miss.

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00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: It's not a miss miss, but it's not a it's

867
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Speaker 3: not the it's not how you should use your premium resource.

868
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Speaker 1: I mean, of those five first rounders in two years,

869
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 1: one's a colossal, colossal, awful failure with the second overall

870
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: pick two are hits. The other two are okay to me.

871
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 3: And I mean if they have taken Christian Dara Saw

872
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 3: at fourteen, Oh was he still there?

873
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: Yeah?

874
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, then you're you're in much better shape.

875
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: And then you don't take fashion new last year to

876
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: take Tower.

877
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:48,720
Speaker 3: Right and then changes the whole dynamic.

878
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: Especially if you didn't take Zach Wilson.

879
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 3: And I get that, you know, the Zach Wilson thing

880
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,920
Speaker 3: is what it is. I mean, he was the second pick,

881
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,360
Speaker 3: Trey Lance was the third pick. Yeah, that got screwed up.

882
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 3: That twenty twenty one draft was not great.

883
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: Fields isn't and tremendous, and neither is Jones out Obama,

884
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 1: who's now a backup in the party.

885
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 3: The interesting thing is now they hadn't Justin Fields. They

886
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 3: could have taken Justin Fields second overall that year instead

887
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,479
Speaker 3: of instead of Zach Wilson, which is where I would

888
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 3: have taken him, and I might have taken him over

889
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence at the time.

890
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: I remember, I remember, I think he was my two.

891
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: Wilson was so far down the list. I mean, I

892
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: didn't like him at all because I mean, he had

893
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: all day to throw and he thought he's my homes

894
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: So do you did you hear the Woody Johnson remarks

895
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: about when they signed Fields. Don't quote me exactly, but

896
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: he said something along the almost exactly of, man, we

897
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:38,800
Speaker 1: thought there were two awesome quarterbacks in that draft, Lawrence

898
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: and Fields, so we're happy to get a chance at

899
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, you took.

900
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:43,120
Speaker 3: Zach Wilson.

901
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: At two two?

902
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 3: Your team did that?

903
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was the same draft, buddy.

904
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 3: You know they could have taken instead of Zach Wilson.

905
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 3: They could have taken Jamar Chase Sol. They could have

906
00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 3: taken penn A Soul. Yeah, yeah, they could have taken

907
00:44:58,960 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: Patrick's retain.

908
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 1: They were awesome. Process.

909
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 3: The first round overall was not great, but there were

910
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 3: some premium prospects in the top and you had the

911
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 3: second overall. It look quick Michael freaking Parsons.

912
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well back then, I mean Parsons fell to

913
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: like fourteen or something, right.

914
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 3: He went at a twelve right after Field is a linebackers,

915
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 3: he was your top ten.

916
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: That was also the COVID year, though a lot of

917
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: those guys didn't play the year before.

918
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, Lord, Zach Wilson's, Tree Lance, Kyle Pitts, Jamar Chase,

919
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 3: Jaylen Waddle, Piney Soul, j C. Horn, Patrick's retained, Davonta Smith,

920
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 3: and then Fields went and Parsons went right after him.

921
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:36,760
Speaker 3: For Shaun Slater went thirteen.

922
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: All those guys. I mean basically, if you did anything else,

923
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: it would have been.

924
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 3: Better anything but take Zach Wilson or Tree Lance.

925
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:45,840
Speaker 1: Right by right, if it's just roll the dice on

926
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: we ended up with Jamar Chase or even if it's

927
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 1: the ball.

928
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 3: To get back to the problem of overreaching for quarterbacks.

929
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, weird draft because that was the heart of

930
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: COVID and a lot of those guys didn't even play

931
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,600
Speaker 1: the year before, including Seul Chase Parsons. But my daughter

932
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: could have could have scouted Chase. Yeah. Yeah, I mean

933
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 1: those guys were dominant eighteen year olds, and Penney Sewell

934
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 1: was on this list of guys twenty five and under.

935
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: He's number one on the list that came out today.

936
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: He's been in the league for like six years. Yeah,

937
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,719
Speaker 1: him and Shuck were in the same recruiting class. Right,

938
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: It's nuts.

939
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:26,759
Speaker 3: Anyways, I just thought that was interesting that, Yeah, kind

940
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 3: of ironic that on this on the day Jamal Adams

941
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: said he'd love to return to the Jets.

942
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: Joe Douglas gets there's a couple of drafts like that,

943
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 1: Like you took Tony manderch you could take him, Barry,

944
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 1: you could have taken Dion, you could have taken you know,

945
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: Derek Thomas.

946
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 3: You know, like the only thing you go into these

947
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 3: things and you say, I gotta take I gotta take

948
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 3: a position instead of a player.

949
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: We're getting our quarterback.

950
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't fall in so again, if if we

951
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 3: get to the draft next year and the Steelers won't

952
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,840
Speaker 3: take a quarterback next year, but.

953
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: If they get Penny soool, right, I'm not going to

954
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,880
Speaker 1: kill them for it because maybe they just didn't like

955
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: any of the quarterbacks, like I didn't like Trey Lance.

956
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 3: I didn't like Zach Wilson that year.

957
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 1: Right, all right, they had a lot of questions around

958
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: both of.

959
00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 3: The absolutely right, I liked I liked Lawrence, I liked Fields.

960
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 1: Even Jones was an immobile you know, throw into water.

961
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 3: It wasn't a huge you know, man, mac Jones wasn't

962
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 3: like he was.

963
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: Very underwhelming and had an awesome bamit team.

964
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, right, So I mean I get I mean,

965
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 3: and that's again, you're talking about five quarterbacks in the

966
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 3: top fifteen picks.

967
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: I expected Lawrence, none of which at this point of hit, No,

968
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: none of them are like great pick.

969
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 3: Trevor Lawrence was. Trevor Lawrence was supposed to be a

970
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 3: generational talent.

971
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: Right, which I don't think he'll ever be. But I

972
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: still I still have a candlelit for him. But I

973
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: thought it'd be way further along than this. I never

974
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: thought he'd be the best quarterback in the league.

975
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: But you know, I mean, Fields is the is the

976
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 3: second best quarterback of that group, and it's really not

977
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 3: even close.

978
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: And Wilson and Lance's story might be over right, I mean,

979
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 1: like they're pretty close to me, They're way closer to

980
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: being out of the league than they are starters. Yeah,

981
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: Jones is a number two, right, that's what you aman.

982
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,240
Speaker 1: That's probably what he'll retire as you right, He'll probably

983
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 1: be Shanahan's buddy. Shanahan was gonna take him three right now,

984
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: You've got him for nothing. A couple of years later, right,

985
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: and what if they don't get party back to square one?

986
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: I mean it bonkers. Yeah.

987
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: Anyways, that's going to do it for our number one

988
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 3: of the drive here in the Steelers Audio Network, Matt

989
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 3: and I'll be back with our number two right after this.