1 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:07,520 Speaker 1: On this episode of Sports Illustrated Weekly, we're kicking off 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: Where Are They Now? Week, a multi part series delving 3 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: into the lives of sports biggest stars decades after their 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: extraordinary athletic triumphs. We begin with arguably one of the 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: greatest tennis players of all time, s I. Senior writer 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 1: John Wortheim joined US from Wimbledon a few weeks ago 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: to discuss his story about none other than Stephie Graft. 8 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: Stephi Graf is contentially the most accomplished tennis player of 9 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: all time. She's done it again, Stepi Rock six times 10 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: that chance in imparipe Steppi Graff of our twenty one 11 00:00:56,440 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: minute take to fifth US Open title, but twenty first 12 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:05,560 Speaker 1: ground flat title. And it was done in some questions, 13 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,679 Speaker 1: certainly in that league with Serena Williams, she was Tiger 14 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: Woods and just absolute dominant force. She marries Andrea Agassy 15 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: and then we've scarcely heard from her since she was 16 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: ferociously private even when she was this towering athlete, and 17 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: she is now fully private as a private citizen. And 18 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: so you have this absolute a list top of the 19 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: pyramid athlete married to another athlete, and she's completely disappeared 20 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 1: from public view, which was one of the reasons I 21 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,959 Speaker 1: was so interested in this. Can you talk to us 22 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: about Stephie's legacy in tennis now that she's retired and 23 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: the path she paid for women in tennis today. You know, 24 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,919 Speaker 1: legacy and tennis is really interesting because in some sports 25 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 1: its statistical, and in some sports, you know, we don't 26 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: have to spend much time talking about what what's Michael 27 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: Jordan's legacy. I think we all know it. In tennis, 28 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: it's it's different because it bleeds into your post career. 29 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: So as a tennis player, Stephie Graph brought in a 30 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: new level of power, a new level of fitness. There's 31 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: a line I had in the story of you know, 32 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: a German Olympic coach that if if she had chosen 33 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: to Stephie Graff could have been an Olympic runner, just 34 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: an absolute A list athlete. Then she disappears, and for 35 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: a lot of players, I mean John McEnroe, for by 36 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: comparison one seven majors, you know, not not nearly as accomplished, 37 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: but he's still in public view and he's still on TV. 38 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: And we have players that are coaching and pundits and 39 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 1: the running tournaments and it impacts their legacy. I mean, 40 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: I think tennis players sometimes we conflate what they did 41 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: what they were playing, with what they did afterwards. And 42 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: statistically mean, Stephi Graff won more majors than Chris Evert, 43 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,800 Speaker 1: way more than McEnroe, three times as many as her 44 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: own husband, Andrea Agassi. And yet I don't know if 45 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: we necessarily see him in that light because she's been 46 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,799 Speaker 1: such a cipher since retiring twenty years ago. The words 47 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:58,679 Speaker 1: have yet to be invented that are large enough, colorful enough, 48 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: or true enough to express the heart and soul of 49 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: this woman that I love, Stephanie. You mentioned her husband 50 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 1: Andrea Agassi. During their careers, they had very different mindsets 51 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 1: when it came to the press, right, Yeah, it's a 52 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: much different relationship with the press, and much much different 53 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: relationship just with with persona and image and being public 54 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: facing him. And Andrea Agassi was was rock star tennis, 55 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 1: and he was doing these audacious SNIKEE commercials and flying 56 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: private and he had frosted tips and denim shortz and 57 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: was seen as this real sort of this icon, this rebel, 58 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 1: and Stephie Graff was usually photographed with a curtain of 59 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: hair covering her face and said as little as possible 60 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: and gave a few interviews as possible, and uh, if 61 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: she was gonna endorse your product, you better get a 62 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: good picture of her playing tennis, because she was not 63 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: going to go to your five day photo shoot in 64 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: Monte Carlo. Just a completely different approach to celebrity and 65 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: too sports at a time when sports and celebrity were 66 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: were mingling like never before. But I think what andre 67 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: agasine stephfie of had in common was their their upbringings 68 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: weren't altogether different. And I think even though they approached 69 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: their careers so differently, I think they also sort of 70 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: recognized the pressures and the perils and some of the 71 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: payoff that comes with being an athlete. I mean, in 72 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: some ways it's a completely logical couple that they're two 73 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: of the only people on the planet could could appreciate 74 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: the existence as they led, and yet they led them 75 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 1: so differently. There was a budding rivalry with Monica Sellis 76 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: in the early nineties that unfortunately never came to fruition. 77 00:04:30,680 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 1: What happened there in Monica Sellis, who was younger than 78 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 1: Stepi graph and was really emerging as a rival. Some 79 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: of that was about just results, and some of this 80 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: was also stylistically. Monica Sellis was left handed and approached 81 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: tennis very differently. It was a great study in contrasts, 82 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,919 Speaker 1: and this was really shaping up to be the rival 83 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: that Sepigraph never really had the first five or so 84 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: years of her domination. And Monica Sellis has come along 85 00:04:56,720 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: and a fan at an event in Germany in the spring, 86 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: mentally unwell fanned staff Monica Sellus on the court. Monica 87 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: Sellus flew to Denver last night and on a way 88 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: to Veil Colorado for medical treatment. The world's top women's 89 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: tennis player was stabbed in the back Friday when she 90 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: rested between games of a match in Humberg, Germany. Her attacker, 91 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: a German, says he wanted to prevent Sellus from maintaining 92 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: her world ranking ahead of Germany's stephie Graph. And it 93 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: was this, this tragic event and also really changed tennis history, 94 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 1: and Monica sell Us, by her own admission, would would 95 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 1: never be the same player after that. Certainly her rate 96 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: of winning slowed down. That was after a fairly lengthy 97 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: absence to recover as much psychologically as physically, and you 98 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: know it's as as sad as it is to say, 99 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: I mean that this deranged man's objectives were met, Steffie 100 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 1: Graph no longer had a rival and went back to winning. 101 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: And I think it's something that you know, I mean, 102 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: if you first and foremost you have great sympathy and 103 00:05:55,480 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 1: empathy for Monica Sellus, but also that can't be easy 104 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: for Steffi Graph and are a lot of fans that 105 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 1: you know you talked about it an asterisk, and everyone 106 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: sort of plays this sort of counterfactual How how would 107 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,839 Speaker 1: this have worked out differently if Monica Sellis hadn't been 108 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: stabbed and it was really um something that again I 109 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: don't want to diminish about. Monica Sellis is the number 110 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 1: one victim here, but I don't think she's the only one. 111 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: And I think this is something that Stephanie Graff had 112 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: too and probably still pass you to this day, to 113 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,600 Speaker 1: reckon with as well, having achieved some measure, not not 114 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: all of it, but some measure of her success came 115 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: after her rival had been stabbed in her in her name. 116 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: So it's definitely sort of another layer of complexity of 117 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: the story. So why did Stephanie Graff retire. That is 118 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: a great question. She won, you know, radically enough. It 119 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: was the same tournament that Andrea Agus really had this 120 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: this career defining moment. But Stephanie graph wins the French Open. 121 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 1: She's a sentimental favorite. She wins this title, and she 122 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: goes after that and she plays Wimbledon and it does 123 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: well there, but she doesn't win. And then a few 124 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: weeks or she plays the match in San Diego, she 125 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: has an injury and basically says, I'm done. And I 126 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: remember at the time it was just when I started 127 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: playing tennis, and everybody sort of said, you know, we 128 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: we've seen this movie before. It's like the boxers who unretired. 129 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: She just needs a little break. And that never happened. 130 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: She never set foot on a court again. I mean, 131 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: for all intense, she never really made much of a 132 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: public appearance again. There was never you know, the the 133 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: long interview or the comeback tour. She never coached a player, 134 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: she never did commentary. She really disappeared. And at one point, 135 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: someone who knew her well said to me, look, as 136 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: soon as Stephanie has done playing tennis, you are never 137 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: going to see her again. And you sort of say, yeah, yeah, 138 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: we we've seen this before and eventually you realize that 139 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 1: being a public figure is not so bad and their 140 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: perks and their financial incentive sometimes. But to her absolute credit, 141 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: it's been more than twenty years and no one has 142 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,119 Speaker 1: really seen you know, if you've seen her, it's probably 143 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: been by accident. Since she's stepped away from tennis. What 144 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: she's focusing on now, she's a full time mother. Actually, 145 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: just news a few days ago that that her son Jaden, 146 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: who's a baseball player picture at USC is going to 147 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: enter the draft portal. She is a daughter as well, 148 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: and I think apart from being a mother, what was 149 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 1: explained to me and she didn't speak to me for 150 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: this pief You know, we know each other and have 151 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: friends in common, and she was very polite and cordial, 152 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: but just she predictably was not interested in speaking for 153 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: this story. But we have a number of you know, 154 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: there are certainly other people who know her that that did. 155 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,599 Speaker 1: And what really struck me and stuck with me was 156 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: apart from being a mother, it's just she leads a 157 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: very conventional life. She lives in Las Vegas, by by 158 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: all accounts, is happily married. She'll go to, you know, 159 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: she goes to U Costco like the rest of us. 160 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: It just this is someone who at a very young 161 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: age was this global celebrity. She never wanted it. It 162 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: was sort of this this awful byproduct of being a 163 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 1: world class tennis player. And she comes from a small 164 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: town in Germany, and I think, apart from family is 165 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,719 Speaker 1: obviously principally important to her, but I think beyond that, 166 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: just being a normal, conventional person. I think a lot 167 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: of people wouldn't have predicted it would be in Las Vegas, 168 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: but that's the home account of her husband. But I 169 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,599 Speaker 1: think she's by all accounts, she's just relish being a 170 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: normal person who's not trailed by paparazzi, who doesn't have 171 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: to do an appearance, who doesn't have an agent trying 172 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: to get in touch with her. She lives a normal life, 173 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: and I think that's something she's wanted for a long time, 174 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: even when she was on top of the tennis world 175 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: and traveling the world. And it sounds like that's given 176 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: her fulfillment. Over the past several years, we've seen the 177 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: toll that fame can take on professional athletes, especially on 178 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: their mental health. What kind of example do you think 179 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: she's set for current and future tennis stars. That's a 180 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: great question, because I find I mean, I honestly I 181 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: felt guilty even ask you for an interview because I 182 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:53,839 Speaker 1: knew she didn't want to do it, and if she 183 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:55,599 Speaker 1: did do it, it would be under duress. And I 184 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,319 Speaker 1: think that it's really a model, in a in a 185 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: weird way, of how to do this thing right. And 186 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: she doesn't have to deal with all the toxicity of 187 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: social media, and she doesn't have to deal with spreading 188 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: herself too thin and feeling like she's a commodity. And 189 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: I think it's also really sort of a testament to discipline, right. 190 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I think that there's a lot of temptation, 191 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: and some of it's financial and some of it is 192 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: just ego, hey wait, I want to be at that 193 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: movie premiere. I want to be at that red carpet event. 194 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 1: I want to be the top fundraiser. And she's resisted 195 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: at all, And I think there's actually something there's something 196 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 1: really healthy about the way she's handled her It's not 197 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 1: something she's she's probably passed up. I know this for 198 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: a fact. I mean, she's passed up millions of millions 199 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: of dollars by being so private, she's in some level 200 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 1: passed up. I think this is coming a real deathtriment 201 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: to her tennis legacy. I mean again, this is someone 202 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: who she won more major titles than Chris Evert, Martina Navratalova, 203 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: Pete Sampras, Andre Agsium. You know, she she's won more 204 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: than Roger Fedner, and yet we don't necessarily see her. 205 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: And I think the can tennis fans certainly does, but 206 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 1: I think the asual fan would never guess that Stephie 207 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 1: Graft was a more accomplished tennis player than you know, 208 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: it's one more majors in Roger Federer, because she's disappeared. 209 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 1: So this is this is coming at a real price, 210 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: sort of in surface ways. But I think your mental 211 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: health is probably much improved from someone that's checking their 212 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: mentions and worrying about what private jet is going to 213 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:24,719 Speaker 1: take you to what corporate event in Monte Carlo. And 214 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: even if people don't know how successful she was, it's 215 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: still true. Yeah, the the numbers don't lie in which 216 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: she accomplished as a tennis player in terms of titles, 217 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: in terms of weeks, number one, in terms of just 218 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,439 Speaker 1: this absolute dominance I mean, she she didn't really have 219 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: a rival, but this was unmitigated success. I mean, this 220 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: really was one of the apps of tiger Woods type 221 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: domination for more than a decade. And you never had 222 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: the sense, even when she was playing and winning Wimbledon 223 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: and rank number one in the world, you never had 224 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: a sense that she was especially happy off the court. 225 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: She made no secret of the fact that the demands 226 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: that come with being a star ward exactly that they 227 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: were demands. They were something she necessarily, like certainly didn't 228 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: lean into. But yeah, I mean, just you look at 229 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: statistically and this is one of the all time great 230 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,679 Speaker 1: players I would even say, never mind in tennis, and 231 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: this is one of the all time great athletes certainly 232 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: of her generation. But you're not following her on Twitter 233 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: these days, and you're you know, you're you're not going 234 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: to see her throw out the first pitch at a 235 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 1: baseball game or appear on tennis's equivalent of Inside the NBA. 236 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: It sounds like her son will be taking care of 237 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: the baseball games anyway. Exactly. Good point. 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