1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Ron and I love doing that. At the shop that 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: drives people knots. I think out little scopes in the scandole, 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: the very diagnos the car. Yeah, I either get at 4 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,079 Speaker 1: the two ounce ballpeam hammer. When I know where the 5 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: problem is, I hit at the part shuts off. The 6 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: car's not. I go, We're diagnosed. We're all spray it 7 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 1: with water and see what that does. Thank god cars, 8 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: Thank you the car doctor. Alright, you better moving with 9 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: shop up here. All the mainers calling you. Yeah, I'm 10 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: telling you we're the main man. Welcome to the radio 11 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: home of Ron and Nanian the Car Doctor. Since this 12 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: is where car owners the world overturn to for their 13 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: definitive opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you 14 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: a busy signal, pick up the phone and call in. 15 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: The garage doors are open, but I am here to 16 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: take your calls at eight five five five six and 17 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 1: now he running. Hey, it's time to start your engines alone. 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: Welcome Roninian the Car Doctor here at five five zero zero, 19 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: me and you. For the next hour, we're gonna sit 20 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: here and talk about cars and problems and hopefully all 21 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 1: get smart or smarter if we can, and uh, solve 22 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: some issues and keep you smiling and happy down the road. 23 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: Let's kick the garage doors open right away. Let's go 24 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: to Robin, Florida, Oh six Honda CRV and an abs problem, 25 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 1: anti lock break problem. Rob Welton too, the car doctor. Hey, 26 00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: thanks for having me. Can I talk to you about 27 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: something before you get to them the problem? Sure? Absolutely, Well, 28 00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: I've been I'm in my sixties and I've been working 29 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: on cars since I was about fifteen. And my son 30 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: has picked up the uh the Niche also he's a 31 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:38,839 Speaker 1: way better tech than I am. And he's the one 32 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: that loves this show and talk to me about getting 33 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: in touch with you. He thinks you are the greatest 34 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: that walk the planet. Tell your son thank you, and uh, 35 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: you know what it's Uh, it's I love hearing that 36 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: the younger text and older texts alike are listening. Um, 37 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: and listen, you guys. Call me out when I'm doing 38 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: it wrong, You'll let me know. And I'm counting on it. 39 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm just here to try and just 40 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: share what I know and share what I've seen and 41 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: continue to see. So by all means, I'm glad to 42 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: have you and your son and everyone else out there. 43 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. We appreciate that that's typical most tradesman. 44 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: It's just time how too many times you've run into 45 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: this problem and and dealing with it. But this, this 46 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: particular problem started out when I was just going to 47 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,639 Speaker 1: do a complete prevandom maintenance to my daughter's c RV 48 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,399 Speaker 1: six Honda, and one of the things I was doing 49 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: was putting new brake pads on it. So I decided 50 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: to go ahead and flush all the fluids. That means 51 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: every fluid in that vehicle is gonna be chixchanged. So 52 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 1: when I was working with the brakes, I started flushing 53 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: the brakes, and I noticed that the pad on the 54 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,239 Speaker 1: driver's side really was in pretty good shape, and all 55 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: all the other pads are pretty worn out. So I 56 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: thought that was a little nominally right there. When I 57 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: want to bleed the brakes, I got no fluid out 58 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: of the driver's side rear, and so I started backing 59 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: it up, backing it up, backing up all the way 60 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: to the A B S module. All the lines are cleared, 61 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: the calipers good, everything's good. At it turned out to 62 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 1: be the ABS module will not let fluid through there, 63 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,160 Speaker 1: so we did take the lines off and blue air 64 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:22,520 Speaker 1: pressure through it, and it did get it to move 65 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: and it bled, but then as soon as I started 66 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: driving the car, it went right back to no fluid 67 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: in that wheel again. So yeah, it's time. It sounds 68 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: like it's signed for an A B S control module. 69 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: It does. So my question to you is known good 70 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: news one I'd like to take one off myself or 71 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: what do you suggest as they're a good rebuilder for 72 00:03:43,080 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 1: those things? To my knowledge, there's no good rebuilders or 73 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: there there aren't any rebuilders that I've seen. Um, I'll 74 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: share the story this way. So, oh, it must have 75 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: been a year ago. Now. We had a two thousand 76 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: eight Ford expedition big truck had the world worst break 77 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 1: pedal just and this is a low mileage vehicle. I 78 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: forget how many it had on. It wasn't a lot 79 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: thirty thousand, forty thousand miles something like that. I talked 80 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: about it here on the show as a matter of fact. 81 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: And the car sat a lot. It was a farm 82 00:04:12,600 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: vehicle that didn't get used a lot. It was you know, 83 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: used to bring hay around and you know, bring excess 84 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: bagels down to the duck pond. That kind of thing 85 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: when they when they took it out, and um, you know, 86 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: over time the break pedal just just just turned the 87 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: most It turned the junk, and you know, I ended 88 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: up I ended up going through it and piece by 89 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: piece it had one bad caliper on it. We changed 90 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: to we found a restricted hose. We changed to you know, 91 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: all the logical things, and the pedal improved, but it 92 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: was never really great. Ended up having to put an 93 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: A B S. I draw a control unit on it. 94 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: By process of elimination. There was nothing else left. The 95 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: vehicle stopped great. It did everything that was supposed to do. 96 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: I got paid down the road, sat there that sat 97 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: on my bench for a week, and I kept thinking 98 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: about it. I said, what is it inside of this 99 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: that created that low brake pedal? I gotta tell you, Rob, 100 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: I took that hydraw a control unit apart, every nothing, bolt, 101 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: every piece, clip, looked at every passageway. I still can't 102 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: figure it out. I can't see what would make the pedal. 103 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: The only thing I can think of is there is 104 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 1: an accumulator in there that holds residual pressure on the system. 105 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking the spring was fatigued or somehow failed 106 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: and it allowed it to go into a bypass mode 107 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: and that's why the pedal was bad. So you know, 108 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: you ask about you know, rebuilders. I don't know if 109 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: anybody's got the expertise at the street level, so to speak, 110 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: because I don't know how many of these are out 111 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: there failing. And it seems like the A, B. S 112 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: hy draw the control units are the weak links in 113 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: a lot of these cars. Now it seems that people 114 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: aren't picking it up guy because he's never had one. 115 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: That I wonder how many people really don't know they 116 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: you know, that's that's that's no parometer either because as 117 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: with the Ford, I asked my Ford dealer when I 118 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 1: ordered the control you and he goes, wow, you're buying 119 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 1: one of these. I think if this thing was like 120 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: eighteen hundred dollars. And I said, why do you why 121 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: do you ask Anthony? And he goes, we've never sold one, 122 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 1: you know, And that scares the hell out of you, 123 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: I mean, and playing English to go with, you know, 124 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: like you gotta you know, talk about courage of conviction. 125 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: You gotta know your diagnosis is right, Okay, you gotta 126 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: know that you're on the money. And I was right 127 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: it fixed the car if you think it's bad, and 128 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,160 Speaker 1: it's to me it sounds like it's bad. Now, the 129 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: question is do you put a new one on from Honda? 130 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: And you know Honda's right up there with you know, 131 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: we're not ashamed to charge anything we want for a part. 132 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 1: They're just you know, they're they're gonna between two thousand dollars. 133 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: You know what I would I look for a used one. 134 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: Here's the answer that's probably gonna shock everybody listening to 135 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: this broadcast. Yeah, I probably would. All right, I'm going 136 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: through this right now with a Hyundai tiberon for a customer, 137 00:06:55,120 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: and oh, seven hunday, there's one left in the country. One, okay, 138 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: And the problem begets itself. What am I gonna do 139 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: when that new one shows up and it's bad and 140 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: it's twelve hundred bucks and I can't get another one? 141 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:14,920 Speaker 1: Then what do I do? So I've got my used 142 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: parts guy finding On a matter of fact, I have 143 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: to call him back. I just remember he called Thursday. Um, 144 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: you know we can find he used one. He thinks 145 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: somewhere around three for three. And mine's an electrical issue. 146 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: Mine's not reporting correct response on the electrical on the 147 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: module side. So you know, for three hundred bucks, I'll 148 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: take it, plug it in, it's fixed, and then I'll 149 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: go through and bleed it. And if it doesn't bleed 150 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 1: at least I know. Okay, now I've got to bite 151 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: the bullet. And again this is up to the customer. 152 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: In your case, it's your car, so you can make 153 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: the call. You know, you inform the customer all along 154 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: the way. But yes, some of these parts are getting 155 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: very cost prohibitive. And you know what, oh six, it's 156 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: what fourteen years old? Now? Almost? Gee? Rob, why why 157 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: you fixing this old car? You need to buy a 158 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: new car? Mind down the hand will put you into 159 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,520 Speaker 1: one for forty grant. Um. You know where are we 160 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: going here? Um? And and that's part of the issue. 161 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: So if I can find a good, clean, used one, yes, sir, 162 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: I would give it a shot for a couple hundred 163 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: bucks versus d it's worth the try. No guarantee it's 164 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: gonna last any longer. But yeah, um, yeah, definitely, definitely. 165 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: There are some used guys that are like lk Q 166 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: that sells stuff. I was also looking at the bay. 167 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: I really kind of wanted to pull one off myself. 168 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: Find act and off myself. Yeah, that would be and 169 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: that's my concern. I've got a decent used guard, used 170 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: used parts guy that I you know. I told him, 171 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: I said, listen, I want you know, the port sealed. 172 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: I don't want any crud falling in it. You know, 173 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: obviously it's important. And he gets it. Um he's yet 174 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 1: to find one. But that's you know, Uh, that's that's 175 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: the issue too. But um, yeah, I understand, I understand, 176 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: believe it. Um, well, thanks for thanks for your information. 177 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: And man, like I said, you my son thinks so high. 178 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 1: It was it was amazing that I have to start 179 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:07,679 Speaker 1: listening to the show more. And he I think he 180 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: stopped listening as we speak. I'll tell you tell you 181 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: tell your son high and uh listen. I appreciate all 182 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 1: the younger texts, all the text Like I said, glad 183 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: to be here for you guys. I've always said, I 184 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: try to be the face of this industry and help 185 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 1: it anyway. I can you take good care, Rob, have 186 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: a good rest of the afternoon. Eight five five zero 187 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 1: nine zero zero running anading the car doctor. I'll be 188 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: back right after this. God, that's right. If you call 189 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: and we're not live. You can leave a message and 190 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:38,920 Speaker 1: we'll call you back to get you on the air 191 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 1: with Ron eight five five five zero nine nine zero zero. 192 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 1: Speaking of Ron grey Is, let's go over to Jason 193 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: in Kentucky for to explore a Jason, how things down 194 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: there Kentucky Way? We're doing great. I'm doing great, Ron. 195 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: How about you? I'm doing well, sir? How can I 196 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: help you? I've got my wife has a two thousand 197 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,439 Speaker 1: fifteen Ford Explorer. UM. I'm a newer listener via podcast, 198 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: and UM, I've been listening back through your episodes and 199 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: you said that about a hundred thousand miles on these 200 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,680 Speaker 1: on the ones with the V six which hers has, 201 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: that they tend to eat up water pumps. And I 202 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: was wondering if there was anything I could do to 203 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: try and prolong that. I've looked into the procedure. It's voids. 204 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: It's a lot of work. Is that best or what? 205 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:33,520 Speaker 1: I'm like? What do they thinking? Timing change, special tools, tensioners, 206 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: take the oil control solenoid out of the way. You know, 207 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: it's like open heart surgery. It's a water pump, all right? Yeah, 208 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: I don't get it. And and you know, because I 209 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,959 Speaker 1: think the majority of people, you know, when faced with 210 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: the dilemma of performing that repair on a hundred thousand 211 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: mile vehicle. Oh, I don't want to do that. I'll 212 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: buy a new car. Yeah, you know. And that's the 213 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: only problem, is a new one fifty six grand though 214 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: not a problem for them. You know, it's you know, 215 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: it's it's you know. I I don't want to listen. 216 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to be a doomsday machine predictor here, Jason. 217 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: I just I just think we're on this this collision course, 218 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: you know, the collision course of you know technology. Um, 219 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: you can see it all right, the collision course of technology. 220 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: Electric vehicles get rid of the internal combustion engine. It's 221 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: getting to be too complicated to work on, too many parts, 222 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: too many procedures, too high a cost. And something as 223 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,599 Speaker 1: simple as a water pump, Oh my gosh, in in 224 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: nine five small block Chevy water pump. You know, four 225 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: fan bolts, they were five, they were half finch um 226 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: four water pump bolts. There were three eighths. The pump 227 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 1: was off in twenty minute. You could do you could 228 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: have lunch at the gas station and your sandwich at 229 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: lunchtime and do a water pump. You know now it's 230 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a day's it's a day's procedure easily, 231 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,839 Speaker 1: and and and and here's the other side of it. Okay, 232 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: the the cause of catastrophe or let me think of 233 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: how I can explain that. The liability factor is huge 234 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,599 Speaker 1: in terms of you better put it together right, You 235 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: better not be off a tooth on the cam. You 236 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: better not You better hope the old ring on the 237 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: oil control solid. You know, you looped it up good, 238 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: and it goes in and you don't cut it and 239 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: it doesn't leak, and you know, there's there's there's a 240 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: hundred things that can fail and cause bigger damage from 241 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: doing a water pump. Yeah, so what are we gonna do? Right, 242 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: It's it's this is the technology we're faced with. I 243 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: think a couple of things are gonna change, and then 244 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 1: I'll answer your question. I think one of the things 245 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: that are gonna change is people are gonna have to 246 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: come to accept that they're gonna pay more for auto repair. 247 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: And I think the industry as a whole is going 248 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:48,319 Speaker 1: to have to continue to do what it's doing. The 249 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 1: industry is for the longest time now at least twenty 250 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: years that I'm that I could look back and say, 251 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: they're really investing heavily in themselves. There's a lot of 252 00:12:56,720 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 1: really good technicians out there working hard every day just 253 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: to keep everybody on the on, on the go and 254 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: keep America rolling. And I think that's going to continue. 255 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: I think the length of the life of your water pump, 256 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: it's it really comes down to maintenance. It really does, 257 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,720 Speaker 1: all right. I think at the very least five year, 258 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: hundred thousand mile cooling services like Ford calls for or 259 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: whatever their number is on whatever cooling is in that car, orange, green, yellow, 260 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 1: et cetera. And you know, I'm a I'm a ten 261 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,120 Speaker 1: percent guy. If they tell me five years, I do 262 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: it in four. If they tell me seven years, I 263 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 1: do it in five and a half. You know, I 264 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: kind of fudge factor a little bit. I think if 265 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 1: more is good, enough is better, and too much is 266 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: just right. And you know that's that's just the way 267 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: it is. I think that because of the acidity that 268 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 1: you said can can occur in in coolant as it. Yeah, 269 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: I think it's acidity bearings in it or well I 270 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: have from the chain on it. That's that's a lot. 271 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: It's right in a v there. That's it's not just 272 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: run off of it, it's it's a pivot point for 273 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: the chain, and that's that's a lot of pressure on that. Well. 274 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: I think it's a lot of pressure on the component 275 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 1: in that. You know, we took something that used to 276 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 1: just you know, control a fan, and now we've got like, 277 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: as you say, a timing chain running off of it. 278 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: It's in an enclosed environment, it's running hotter, it's it's 279 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: it's really under a lot of strain. And you know, 280 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: it's also gonna come down to what component are we 281 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: gonna use, I think, to use anything other than something 282 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: O equality. Although this week, after this last couple of 283 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: weeks at the shop, I'm starting to question O E 284 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: quality on a components on some things. So I'm not 285 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: quite sure what it though, but you know, it's it's 286 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: some of these decisions are gonna be in the hands 287 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: of the technician and it's it's their call. But I 288 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 1: also think overall, vehicle maintenance is important, good cooling service, 289 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: good oil changes. You know, oil does more than just lubricate, 290 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: it cools, it helps it helps keep the engine cleaner 291 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: on the inside. That CLI lanness translates into lower overall 292 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: you know, operating temperatures. I think that the car that 293 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: gets you know, regular fuel system treatment on a regular 294 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 1: basis is less prone to misfire. You know, anything you 295 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: can do to keep that engine in as peak condition 296 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: as possible. Okay, I've got the fuel and oil covered. 297 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: I'm religious with oil changes, Um I do UM. I 298 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: had fuel injector cleaner every oil change. Actually last week 299 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: after listening to you, I picked up some berriman um 300 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: throttle body cleaner. Could move the throttle body off, clean 301 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 1: the throttle body off. I cleaned the mass airflow sensor 302 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: about every other oil change. Um, and just and stay 303 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 1: on top of that stuff. Let me let me ask you, Jason, 304 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:47,960 Speaker 1: how dirty was the throttle body. It wasn't too bad, really. 305 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: I mean it had a little bit of of schmutz 306 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: as you would say, around the blade openings, but just 307 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: a slight discoloration. There wasn't a lot of carbon built up. 308 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,160 Speaker 1: There wasn't a lot of of anything that concerned me 309 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: for a vehicle with sixty five thousand miles. It just 310 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: looked like, you know, you could tell it had been used. Um. 311 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: You know, it looked good. As new when I was done, 312 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: it counts there wasn't There wasn't anything that that overly 313 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: concerned me. Like I said, I run injector cleaner through 314 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: every oil change and uh and stuff like that to 315 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: to try and help um the injectors, you know, and 316 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: then and the pump and stuff. I never try and 317 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: never let the gas tank go below quarter tank. That 318 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: it's my wife's car, So getting her to do that 319 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: as a little, uh, a little bit of a task. 320 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: Sometimes you know she's gotten better. I've got I've got 321 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: one of those two. You know, she thinks he means enough. Fortunately, 322 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: fortunately my wife never listens to the show. So I'm okay, 323 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: um here she comes. I gotta go um now Yet no, 324 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: I get it. They listen. Jason. Keep doing what you're doing. 325 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: When that car gets to be you know, mile mark, 326 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: talk to your Ford dealer, talk to your mechanic and say, 327 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: I think we're coming to do for a water pump. 328 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: What do you think? And um. I would also pay 329 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: attention to bulletins and recalls because you know, that's one 330 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:09,199 Speaker 1: of those things I think of FOD season of failures 331 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 1: are gonna be pressured into doing something about it. My 332 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: understanding is. I think it's one model year Explorers coming 333 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: out with a redesigned engine and it's mounted front to 334 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: back the way God intended things to be, where the 335 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: engine faces forward, and they're doing so in order to 336 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 1: pull the water pump out from underneath the cover. Because 337 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 1: of the failures and the problems that they're having, they 338 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: want to relocate it. So we'll see if that comes 339 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: to fruition. But you know, just just just be aware. 340 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: I've heard that as well. I've got I'm a tool 341 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: and dye maker. I've got a buddy who built some 342 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:43,160 Speaker 1: of the transmission components for the new Tendant speeds that's 343 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: going in the new Ford and GM, the ones they 344 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: they combined together on and supposedly, um, that's going in 345 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: the new Explorer as well. I've heard that it's gonna 346 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: be rear wheel drive as well, or a rear wheel 347 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: drive fit right, Yeah, exactly exactly. Hey, Jason, I got 348 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: to go. I'm up against the clock. I really pat 349 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: you being here, Button. I appreciate the call. Thanks for 350 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: being a podcaster, and thanks for listening to us. We'll we'll, 351 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: we'll take you guys all day long. And uh, thanks 352 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: for some great questions. I'm running any of the Car Doctor. 353 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: We are cruising back right after this. Don't go away 354 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: the dead Man. Welcome back at any of the Car 355 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: Doctor here. Let me point out to you know, Car 356 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: Doctor Show dot com is where you want to be. 357 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: Get out and check us out online. And also, don't 358 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: forget we're on Facebook, Ronaldini and the Car Doctor. And 359 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,160 Speaker 1: if you're a podcaster, there's other hours of this radio show. 360 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: You'll find a Car Doctor Show dot com. 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Oh well, I also use 370 00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: it to um get firewood in the summertime so I 371 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: can survive the winter up here. All right, then we'll 372 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 1: all right, let's see what we got. What are we 373 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: working on well. I call it Christine because I think 374 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,679 Speaker 1: it's uh possessed. But anyway, it's got a three fifty 375 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: cubic catch engine, it's two barrel throttle body. It's had 376 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: a new fuel tank, it's had a new fuel pump, 377 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: new distributed cap rotor, wires, map sensor and temp sensor. 378 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 1: And I don't know what sends the fuel pump a 379 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:59,879 Speaker 1: signal to pump more pressure. I think whatever that particular 380 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: the thing is, I think that's what it needs to 381 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: be replaced. I don't know. I don't have an analyzer 382 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: for this. Mine only goes from nine or newer, so 383 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: I don't have any codes on it. We keep in 384 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: mind you can jumper the two end pens. I have 385 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: to think back now, but it'd be easy enough to 386 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: look up. But the two end pins in the square 387 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: body connector or a L d L connector under the dashboard. 388 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: If we ground those key on engine off, and we 389 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: can count the flashes of the light, you'll get a 390 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: one and a two twelve meaning the start of sequence, 391 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: and then it'll flash the fault code, and then it'll 392 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: go through that three times, and then it'll flash a 393 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: twelve again showing you the end of sequence. So for example, 394 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: if it's setting a code forty three, you would see 395 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: blink blink, blink, blink, blink, blink, blink, blink, blink blink, 396 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: and you'd see that forty three come out three times, 397 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: and then you'd see the twelve again. Um, you see 398 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: how well they beat that to me back in the 399 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 1: nineties that I still remember it thirty years later. You 400 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: know you can still go through it, So you know 401 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: you do have you do have a way to get codes. 402 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: So when this stalls, is this intermittent or is this it? 403 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: It runs on high idole, it warms up and then 404 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: it shuts off, right, That's what it does. But after 405 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: I get done plowing for two hours, I can park 406 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: the truck and he'll sit there on idol for ten minutes. 407 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:29,800 Speaker 1: And I don't understand it, but usually it idols, it 408 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:32,679 Speaker 1: warms up and then it just shuts off and then 409 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: you hit the key and starts right back up. So 410 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: normally I'd be sitting here talking to you about and 411 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: I've got to do my due diligence, and I know 412 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,440 Speaker 1: these are some of these things you probably can't test, 413 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 1: but I just want to plant the seat in your brain. 414 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: You know, talk about fuel pressure. Is fuel pressure nine 415 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: to thirteen pounds like it's supposed to be. There should 416 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: be a low pressure system. Um. You know, when it's stalls, 417 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,919 Speaker 1: it restarts. So I doubt this is a spark issue. 418 00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 1: Do we have any vacuum leaks? Uh, you know, it's 419 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: always possible something older like this, UM always a good possibility. 420 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: I would also tell you to check minimum idle speed. 421 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: There was maybe this is when we should have known, 422 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: we should have gotten out of the industry. But GM 423 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: had this funny looking rubber shaped plug. It was this 424 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: I don't know, is this oblong shaped cork made out 425 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: of rubber that you would stuff into the idol inlet 426 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:24,879 Speaker 1: control where the islid and the control valve lived, and 427 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 1: it would block off airflow through that and would just 428 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,119 Speaker 1: cause you to run on throttle plate air and you 429 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: would have to set what we call minimum idle speed. 430 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: If the idol speed hasn't been touched since day one, 431 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: chances are it's okay, it's thirty thirty, twenty nine years ago. Uh. 432 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,159 Speaker 1: You know, the throttle shaft could be worn, which is 433 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: something else to consider here. You know, how much lateral 434 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: movements in the throttle shaft up down, back and forth 435 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,159 Speaker 1: because they did wear out. And this is probably a 436 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: higher mileage truck. I'm guessing. Yeah, I kid about a Yeah, 437 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 1: it's turner grand, it's do a throttle body. So all 438 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: those are things you can do and go look at. 439 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 1: All right, here's what here's what I think is wrong 440 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: with the truck. Okay, because I think I have the answer, 441 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: um And by the way, because it's a plow vehicle, 442 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: i'd also look at grounds and cleanliness, and you know 443 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: how rusted is everything, and we're looking for the wiring 444 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: harness that's maybe you know, the islets hanging on by 445 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,640 Speaker 1: a thread because it's worn out and corroded and so forth. 446 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: When you go through all that and you realize it's 447 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: not possessed because it's it's there's always a reason. All right, 448 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: I bet this has a bad pickup coil inside the distributor. 449 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: The way the way it works is the pickup coil, 450 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: all right, generates an A C voltage signal. And if 451 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,960 Speaker 1: you if you take that distributor out and look at it, 452 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: you'll see that as the as the teeth line up, 453 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: the stars line up, it creates a magnetic field and 454 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: then as it rotates, it breaks the field and it 455 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: creates an A C voltage wave. All right, if you 456 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 1: if you were to take the distributor apart and look 457 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: at it from underneath, you'll see and take the pickup 458 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,360 Speaker 1: coil off, it's gonna be cracked around the rivets. That's 459 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: how they failed. The rivets that held the pickup coil 460 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,399 Speaker 1: together would would eventually cause the magnets to crack, and 461 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: it distorted the A C signal, and it got worse. 462 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: It got worse when they warmed up, and it was 463 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 1: better when it was called all right, and now the 464 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,840 Speaker 1: trick is gonna be to find to find a an 465 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: original A C you know pickup coil. You know where 466 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna find that. Thank God for eBay. The test 467 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: used to be, you know, the test used to be, 468 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: we take the pickup coil out, and if it didn't 469 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: stick to the side of your toolbox, it was bad 470 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: because the magnet was worn out. I swear to God. 471 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: That was the you know, that was the barometer. Um. 472 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: It didn't always work, but more often than not it did. 473 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: But usually usually we would see a crack in the 474 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: magnet where the rivet came through and and squeezed it, 475 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: and that that's how we knew that that was Now 476 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: there was also a test we could put a scope 477 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,680 Speaker 1: on it. After a while, I got tired of scope 478 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: and it I scoped so many of them. Um, you know, 479 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: you would you would see a signal coming out of it. Uh, 480 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: you know, not not completely uh you know, not completely impossible. 481 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 1: You'd see you know, if you wanted to do a 482 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: pickup coil output test with the distributor in the vehicle, 483 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: hook up a volt meter to it, you should see 484 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 1: between six and nine milli volts engine cranking speed. If 485 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: you don't see that, then you know you've got an 486 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: issue there. If you could see it on a scope, 487 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: even better. But if you don't have a scan tool, 488 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: I that you're gonna have a scope. You may not 489 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,120 Speaker 1: even have a multimeter. Um, but I would, I would 490 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: take a sure bet. I would take a look at 491 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: the pickup coil. Surely at this age and mileage, if 492 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,159 Speaker 1: it hasn't had one, it's worth a Saturday afternoon of 493 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 1: time to take it apart, put it together. Watch the 494 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,000 Speaker 1: thrust washers down at the bottom side of the distributor. 495 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 1: Make sure when you drive the roll pin out you 496 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: don't peen over the edge of so you can put 497 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: it back in. And you may want to consider why 498 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: you're looking for that pickup coil from AC Delco, A 499 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: real a C Delco pickup coil. Make sure you get 500 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: yourself a make sure you get yourself an A C 501 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,160 Speaker 1: Delto ignition module too, because at this point it's overheated 502 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: by now. I'm sure with this agent mileage and um 503 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: that that'll probably do it for you. But consider all 504 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,239 Speaker 1: the other things. But I would bet you this has 505 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,440 Speaker 1: a bit pick up coil. Try that, do all of 506 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: that as much as you can and call me back. 507 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: I'm running any in the car. Doctor, We're cruising around 508 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: the corner. Don't go away. I'll be back right after this. 509 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:36,600 Speaker 1: Stop down when you get keep Ron's number hand eight 510 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: five five five six zero nine zero zero for when 511 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: you really need advice on your car. Here's Robbing. Welcome back. 512 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: Let's go over and talk to Steve from the great 513 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: State of Texas. Steve, how can I help you today? Sir? 514 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: So I called you about a month ago with a 515 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,920 Speaker 1: smoking uh pickup truck I bought. Well, my wife was 516 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:02,399 Speaker 1: on a little vacation and your your advice was was 517 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: dead on. I replaced all the veil seal guides and 518 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 1: they don't smoke no more. But my next problem is, 519 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 1: I've got an o A jeep Wrangler I've I've had 520 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 1: now for six years. Every three months ninety days, I 521 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: got to replace the rattle clips for the back breaks. 522 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: They literally wear out right in the middle. I bought aftermarket, 523 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: I bought dealer. I've tried them dry and I've tried 524 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: them with um, the brake, the brake grease. They still 525 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: wear out. When you say they wear out, Steve, what's 526 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: wearing out? The metal wears through? Yeah, exactly, the tab 527 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 1: on the brake shoe, on the brake pad literally wears 528 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 1: through the metal, not the fronts, both rears and Okay, 529 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 1: so let's let's back up. You've the truck since now, 530 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: I've I've had it, uh six years? Um, when did 531 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: this problem start? Day one? Really? Yeah? You mean for 532 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,719 Speaker 1: the last six years, every nine days you're putting rear 533 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:23,120 Speaker 1: rattle clips on this truck. Literally, I've tried auto z own, 534 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: i tried O'Reilly's and you let me ask you this 535 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 1: because this is a real weird problem. Brother. You know, 536 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: are you sure? And you know I start thinking about 537 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: wrong parts. Are you sure it's got the right rear 538 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: pads on it, the correct caliper's brackets, et cetera. Nothing's 539 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: under sized. The pad doesn't look bigger than the rotor 540 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 1: or smaller than the rotor than it's supposed to be. Nope, 541 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: I've I've replaced the rotors twice. Um the bracketry I've 542 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,840 Speaker 1: replaced on both sides. That was a that was a 543 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: hit or miss. But I snapped off a bolt and one. 544 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, well might as well price in both. 545 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: And the pads I've I've gone through a couple of 546 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: different sets. How do you know it's kind of a 547 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 1: wasted money? But how does the vehicle break? How does 548 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: it stop? Good pedal? Yeah? I got a solid, solid, 549 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: hard pedal? And when how do you know that the 550 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: rattle clip is worn out? What's what's the giveaway from 551 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: the rattle? Um? No, the whatever? You know what? It shakes? 552 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 1: I get a chirp right then and there, I uh, 553 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 1: I know it's time to change them. I'll pull them 554 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 1: out and they'll literally be a quarter inch like hole 555 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: in the middle of it. Are we talking about the 556 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: same thing? We're talking about the shim that sits in 557 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: the guide of the caliper bracket to hold the ear 558 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: of the brake pad to give it to build the 559 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: bracket gives the stability of of the brake pad. Right, 560 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: And if you left those rattle clips off, what's the downside? Um, 561 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: wouldn't wouldn't those brake the tabs, the ears on the 562 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: brake pads itself. Wouldn't that like? Isn't the end of 563 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: the isn't the end of the brake pads sort of 564 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 1: rectangular that it sits in a groove right now? This 565 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: this is that clip that sits in that groove right right. 566 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,120 Speaker 1: You know what, before I tell you something over the year, 567 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:40,440 Speaker 1: I want to see a picture of this. Can you 568 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: take a picture of what it is you're replacing and 569 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 1: a picture of the rear break assembly, you know, specifically 570 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: the ear of the pad as it sits in the bracket, 571 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: the caliper guide, the caliper clip, and email it to me. 572 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: I want to see what this looks like because this 573 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: is this is unusual. I haven't seen this one yet, 574 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: all right, Yeah, it's uh, no one's ever heard of it. Yeah. 575 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,520 Speaker 1: I was actually told, you know, let's just replaced the 576 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: whole rent. Now there's there's there's a there's a better 577 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: answer than that. Um, but yeah, Ron and Card doctor 578 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,600 Speaker 1: show dot Com. Send me an email, send me some pictures, alright, 579 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: I wed alright, cool beans, Yeah, let's do that. There's 580 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 1: gotta be a reason, Steve. That doesn't make any sense 581 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: to me. You know. It's it's it's unequal load, uneven loads. 582 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: Something's forcing that. And there's no way, stupid question, there's 583 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: no I'm just trying to think what a cheap rear 584 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: looks like. There's no way the caliber brackets are on 585 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: the wrong side of the axis of the rear. Right, No, 586 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,480 Speaker 1: it can't be. It's it's only it's impossible. Right, there's 587 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: nothing here that can be backwards. Well, look this way, 588 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: at least you know why the last guy got rid 589 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:58,320 Speaker 1: of it, so right, Well I bought it as a 590 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: repossessed car from a female. Right. Uh, well I gotta 591 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: go get in trouble, so Steve, send me an email. 592 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: We'll go from there, all right, brother, you take good care. 593 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: You're welcome, sir, Thank you. Um. I love a good mystery. 594 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: So it sounds like an happen and costell he who'd 595 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,400 Speaker 1: done it um, that would be interesting. We'll get to 596 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,080 Speaker 1: the bottom of it. Don't you worry because I'm running 597 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 1: any of the car doctor zero zero. Let's pull over 598 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: and take a pause. I'll be back right after this 599 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: car doctor here, let's go and talk to Patrick West Virginia. 600 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: How are you Patrick? I don't know they had like 601 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: the women sponsored Patrick Patrick Patrick. Yes, sir, yes, sir, 602 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: we're here. How are you? I'm sorry I could hear 603 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: some background going on there. I'm telling you about your 604 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,239 Speaker 1: podcast you had on three nine uh last week. All right. 605 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 1: I heard you talk about the guy there. He was 606 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 1: talking about how he's a b S like come on, 607 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: and it was kind of weird because most of the 608 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: time that had only done it when it was wet. 609 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: Oh I had the guy with the went through the 610 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: car wash. Yeah, yeah, I have. My daughter had a 611 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: two thousand nine Subaru out back and we had taken 612 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 1: it to the theater and they said the wheel bearings 613 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: was that in it? So I thought of my comb 614 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: and I put two new wheel bearings in the front, 615 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: and that still didn't cure the problem of that aps 616 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: like the traction control and the cruise getting shut off 617 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: at E R S S error. But but what have 618 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: wound up finally happened to be was that we traced 619 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: down inside there. I guess there's many names of reluctant ring, 620 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: the tone ring where that little pickup set, yeah, the 621 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: trigger wheel. Yeah. What had happened is, uh, there was 622 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: a crack down the side of it, and any time 623 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: you went through the car wash, that thing would throw up. 624 00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: At a b S light, it turned off the traction control, 625 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: the cruise control, everything, basically put it in limp mode. 626 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: It took me forever to find that out, but we 627 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: replaced the wheelbarings and then finally it was just those 628 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 1: little twenty five parts. But I guess you know, the 629 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: dealer had kept throwing it out. It was wheelbarings, wheelbarrings, wheelbearings, 630 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: and we finally it took forever because when you've run 631 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: through the car washing or it would lightly rain, those 632 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 1: would get wet, I guess, would pick moisture up in 633 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 1: them and it would throw all that air well. Either 634 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: that or when I went into the car wash, the 635 00:34:36,080 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: force of the car wash maybe somehow it dislodged the 636 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: tone ring and it was loose when you were pulling 637 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 1: out of the car wash and caused it to act up, 638 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: and then it took a while for it to stick again. 639 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 1: I could see that in the Subaru, by the way, 640 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: in that Mercedes, the Gentleman's Mercedes the called last week. 641 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: I don't believe that has exposed tone rings. I believe 642 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 1: they're all in encapsulated and ensconced inside the HUBB assembly saw. 643 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,759 Speaker 1: I'm betting the car wash couldn't affect it. But you 644 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: know what, you never know. The weird problems are the 645 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: ones that stick with you because you're always trying to 646 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,800 Speaker 1: find answers. I appreciate the call, Patrick, I appreciate your listening, 647 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: and thanks for being all that you can be and 648 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: helping fix cars. I'm running any in the car Doctor 649 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: until the next time. Mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless.