WEBVTT - Bengals Booth Podcast: Who Can It Be Now 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:04.600 Hi, get everybody. 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:07.480 I'm Dan Hoard and thanks for downloading the Bengals Booth 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:12.799 podcast The Who Can It Be? Now addition, as Dave 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:15.480 Lapham joins me for one of the most downloaded episodes 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:19.320 of this podcast every year, featuring our final pre draft 0:00:19.320 --> 0:00:22.840 discussion and lapse prediction for who the Bengals will select 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.520 at number eighteen. The Bengals Booth Podcast is brought to 0:00:26.520 --> 0:00:28.960 you by pay Core, Proud to be the Bengals official 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:33.720 HR software provider, by Alta Fiber future proof fiber Internet 0:00:33.760 --> 0:00:36.640 designed to elevate your home, business and community to a 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:40.240 new level, and by Kettering Health the best care for 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:43.800 the best fans. 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My broadcast partner, Dave Lapham, 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:53.880 has been remarkably accurate over the years in predicting who 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.520 the Bengals would select with their first round draft pick. 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.840 In twenty twelve, when many experts said it would be 0:01:59.880 --> 0:02:04.280 offensive lineman David di Castro, lap correctly said it would 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:08.480 be another O lineman, Kevin Zeitler. In twenty thirteen, despite 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:11.320 already having two time Pro Bowl tight end Jermaine Gresham 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:15.040 on the roster, lapp correctly predicted that the Bengals would 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:18.600 select Tyler Eifert. He nailed the John Ross pick in 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.680 twenty seventeen, and the Bengals already had aj Green and 0:02:21.720 --> 0:02:24.880 Tyler Boyd, And there have been other years where even 0:02:24.880 --> 0:02:27.480 if he didn't get his final prediction right, it was 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:31.079 because that player was already gone, and Lapp told us 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:35.880 who they would likely take if that happened. So it's 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:39.919 time for this year's pre draft Extravaganza featuring an in 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:43.880 depth discussion of this year's class, our first round predictions, 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:46.840 and your ask lap questions. 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:48.680 We are now. 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:51.360 Joined by the sixty first pick in the nineteen seventy 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:55.960 four NFL draft, Syracuse offensive lineman Dave Lapham. That draft 0:02:56.040 --> 0:03:00.520 took place in January back then, seventeen round. There were 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.280 seven Hall of famers, five of them went to the 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:07.720 Pittsburgh Steelers. I was looking at the Pro Football Reference database. 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:13.360 They have a system that measures everybody's proximate value. You 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:17.240 were tied for eighteenth in the nineteen seventy four draft 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:23.200 class for most overall career value, actually ahead of Hall 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:27.680 of Fame tight end Dave Casper, So congratulations on that. 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:29.720 Is it a point of pride though, to have been 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:33.560 part of a draft class that generated so many great players? 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:34.840 It really really was. 0:03:35.000 --> 0:03:38.720 And you'll get to be friends with Mike Webster in particular, 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.600 and Dave Casper is another one. We played in quite 0:03:42.640 --> 0:03:44.000 a few of the All Star Games, and I was 0:03:44.640 --> 0:03:49.440 fortunate enough back then the Hula Bowl and Senior Bowl 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.880 had been on the same weekend that year for the 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:56.000 first time it wasn't, so I made the circuit. I 0:03:56.040 --> 0:04:00.960 went Blue Gray, East West, Hula Bowl, Senior Bowl. I 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:02.800 was out of the cues for six weeks. Man, it 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.480 was unbelievable, and we swept them one, all four of them. 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:09.800 So it was a great All Star Game run. And 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.520 Mad made friends with, you know, a lot of a 0:04:12.560 --> 0:04:15.120 lot of really good guys, Webster being one of them, 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:19.840 Casper another, and you know, worked out against it at 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:23.760 practices and or games against guys including two tall Jones 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:26.440 who was the first pick of the draft, and I 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.680 remember past protected against him, and all of a sudden, 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:32.400 the circle of people got closer and it got bigger, 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:35.440 and you see owners, you know, back then was owners 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:39.120 and general managers. And because the it was just a 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:42.320 sixteen millimeter film is what everybody would get. There were 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.520 no cell phones, it wasn't anything like that. So it 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.560 was like, I hope this rep goes well, this could 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:49.440 have a lot riding on it. 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:51.520 Right here. It was. It was an interesting time, but 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:52.080 a fun time. 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:55.960 The then Houston Oilers had the number one overall pick 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.640 in that draft. They traded it to the Cowboys, along 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:00.720 with the first pick in the third round for a 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:01.560 couple of vets. 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:03.359 Dallas got too tall. 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:05.600 Jones, as you mentioned, the number one overall pick and 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.440 the first quarterback taken in your draft, Danny White, who 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:11.240 was their starter for like ten years or something like that. 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.080 That's why Dallas was so good for so long. They 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.440 often swindled teams in the draft. 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:20.360 They really did. I mean they they took. 0:05:20.400 --> 0:05:22.360 It was a science to them, long before it was 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:26.640 a science to everybody else. They just they were more 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:29.120 than a step ahead of everybody. They were, I think, 0:05:29.680 --> 0:05:32.760 a good job ahead everybody back in the day. I 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:35.680 mean Gil Brandt was way ahead of his time. He 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:40.240 was lapping people, you know, and that guy I can 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:43.719 remember vividly at every All Star Game he was there. 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:47.640 It was him, you know, making contact with people, looking 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:49.560 right in the eye, shaking your hand. I'm Gil brand 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:52.960 Dallas Cowboys. We think this and just give you really 0:05:52.960 --> 0:05:56.360 good information that none of the other people weren't even 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.440 thinking about talking about. Was he was way ahead of 0:05:59.440 --> 0:05:59.839 his time. 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.000 All right, let's turn to this year's draft. Every draft 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:06.880 guru says it is a historically good group for offensive linemen. 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:10.680 Why what is it about this class that jumps out 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:11.799 on tape. 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.680 Boy at the offensive tackle position? Is just their behemoths. 0:06:15.880 --> 0:06:18.960 I mean, it is unbelievable. If you're not six six 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.680 to six eight, three hundred and twenty five pounds to 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:25.080 three hundred and fifty pounds, you ain't making the club, 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:28.840 you know. And everybody's hand is you know, from the 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:31.240 tip of the pinky to the tip of the thumb 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:34.080 eleven plus inches, almost a ruler. You know, they can 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:38.120 almost palm a ruler. And their wingspan from you know, 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:40.839 fingertip to fingertip when you put your hands out to 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:44.120 the side, it's over seven feet, you know, seven feet 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:48.599 seven foot two. So it's it's their arms are thirty 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:50.120 five thirty six plus inches. 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:52.600 They are big, long. 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:56.320 Strong, athletic enough to you know, they're bending at the knees, 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.719 not at the waist. Their their their hand placement with 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.920 those big muckers, and the strength in their hands is phenomenal. 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.560 I mean, I watched some of these guys just control 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.599 people with their hands. It's it's incredible to watch the 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.720 strength that they have, and they can move. I mean 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.520 some of them have a little bit more problem redirected 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.120 inside than others, but almost all of them handle the 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:21.400 outside stuff, you know, very fluidly. So it's a it's 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:25.680 a group where you know, they are I think six 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:27.880 or seven offensive tackles that could be drafted in the 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:32.320 first round and all they're all worthy. And that's the 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:34.800 thing I think that's impressive about this draft overall, Dan. 0:07:34.840 --> 0:07:37.120 I mean, there have been drafts here recently where saying 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:39.840 that's not even sixteen first round picks, not even half 0:07:39.880 --> 0:07:42.720 the draft, maybe twenty, you know, in another draft. Now, 0:07:43.000 --> 0:07:45.440 I think this draft is like there will be guys 0:07:45.480 --> 0:07:47.160 that go in the second round where you could make 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:49.040 a case, you know, really that guy could be for 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:50.400 he's the first round talent. 0:07:50.720 --> 0:07:50.920 You know. 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.840 Now this draft, they're able to fill up the first round. 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:56.760 And I think overall, in a lot of rounds, there 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:58.920 is quite a bit of depth. I mean, it's a 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.920 really good draft, and there's good players, and there's depth 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:03.640 of player in most rows. 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:07.240 I looked at numerous draft experts big boards to see 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.760 how they rank these offensive linemen, and there's a website 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:12.080 out there that looks at hundreds of big boards and 0:08:12.160 --> 0:08:16.240 thousands of mock drafts to compile a consensus. Here is 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:20.280 the consensus ranking of the top offensive lineman. Joe Alt 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:24.520 Notre Dame number one, Olufashin UPenn State, number two, Talisa 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:29.240 Fluaga Oregon State number three, Troy fa Utanu Washington number four, 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:35.160 JC Latham Alabama number five, Amarius Mims Georgia number six. 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:37.680 At least one of those guys is going to be 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.280 there at number eighteen. And who knows, if five or 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:43.360 six quarterbacks get taken before the Bengals are on the clock, 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:44.800 maybe two or three of. 0:08:44.760 --> 0:08:46.400 Those guys are available. 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:51.440 Who's Dave Lapham's dream offensive lineman? And of those six guys, 0:08:51.480 --> 0:08:52.600 are there any red flags? 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:57.640 I think that in my mind, I've kind of liked 0:08:57.720 --> 0:09:01.120 JC Latham for a while, and I saw where oh boy, 0:09:01.240 --> 0:09:03.640 you know, he's not going to be there, and then 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:05.240 oh man, he is going to be there. You know, 0:09:05.320 --> 0:09:09.040 it's the mock drafts, so just kind of guys move 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:11.720 up move down a little bit based on whatever. But 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:14.439 but I watched I watched that guy, and he seems 0:09:14.440 --> 0:09:17.680 to just cover people up and he is h He's 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.400 a beast in the running game. He's a very very 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:23.559 solid past protector. I did a podcast with the Orlando 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:26.200 Brown a bit of go and and that's who he 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:29.880 had targeted. Like early on he felt like jac Latham 0:09:29.960 --> 0:09:32.400 was a plug and play guy. I had the same opinion. 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:35.120 So I was like, yeah, that's I can see why 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.000 you're you're thinking that way. 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.439 I mean, he is. He's just so big everywhere. 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:42.079 And you know, you play at Alabama, you're playing in 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:44.880 the SEC, you're playing against the good ones, and I 0:09:44.880 --> 0:09:47.880 mean you're always going to find a game or a 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:49.559 series or a half in a game. It was like, 0:09:50.400 --> 0:09:54.320 what's that all about? Well, I mean you that's one 0:09:54.480 --> 0:09:59.800 microcosm of a brilliant career. Everybody has bad series of 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:03.079 games or bad whatever, unless you're like Anthony Munos or 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:04.880 something like that. But I don't even think lost a 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:08.360 rep in practice, never mind the game. But you know, 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:13.680 and I think I think that that Nims is another one. 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:16.959 I think if Latham's gone, I'd be okay with Mims. 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.080 And people are like, ah, he's only you know, started 0:10:19.120 --> 0:10:22.000 eight games. He's got only eight hundred snaps under his belt. 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.840 Look at Munhos, I keep looking back to that. If 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.520 he's got traits, and I mean if if you were 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:33.479 in an offensive lineman laboratory putting in all your ingredients, 0:10:34.040 --> 0:10:35.960 that guy would pop out of the beaker man. I 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.120 mean he is, like, he's big where you need to 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:43.120 be big, you know, not trim, but athletic where you 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:43.960 need to be athletic. 0:10:44.000 --> 0:10:47.080 I mean he is. He's a freakazoid. He really is. 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:50.320 And I would not be disappointed if he were the 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:55.080 eighteenth pick for the Bengals. I do think that this 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.840 draft they were if they if they came to dress 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:05.480 offensive tackle, wide receiver, nose tackle, interior, defensive tackle, zero technique, 0:11:05.520 --> 0:11:07.600 one technique, good guy, and he can pass rush. That's 0:11:07.600 --> 0:11:10.600 a plus. In corner, they can address those four positions. 0:11:10.640 --> 0:11:12.960 Dan in the first three rounds where they have four picks, 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:16.520 if they put the nail on the head on those four, 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:19.920 the rest is gravy. I'm like, okay, the rest of 0:11:19.960 --> 0:11:22.439 the ten picks. Utilize them to make sure you move 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:24.439 up to get who you really want. If the guy's 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:26.400 there and he's only like two or three picks away, 0:11:26.760 --> 0:11:29.160 don't roll the dice, you know, go ahead and use 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:31.559 some of them. Keep a seventh round pick, though, for 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:34.840 I don't know a special teams guy or a guy 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:36.600 that boys he. 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:37.880 Slide and I can't believe that. 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.160 I definitely want to pursue him as a college free agent, 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:41.680 but there's going to be a bunch of other people 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:43.360 that's going to get a lot of me have a 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:45.679 seventh round pick to grab a guy like that, you know, 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.400 but I don't think get rid of all those late picks. 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:52.400 But if you need to move up in the second 0:11:52.480 --> 0:11:56.240 or third round, you know that they put themselves in 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:59.400 good shape with what they did in free agency, and 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:01.800 you know they're, like we've talked about eighteenth, they're going 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.560 to have good players available to them. But if their 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:08.000 board dictates, I would like to move up a couple 0:12:08.040 --> 0:12:10.840 of three spots here to have the flexibility and the 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:14.319 ammunition to do that. You know, I think is a 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:15.920 I think is a good thing. I think they're going 0:12:15.960 --> 0:12:19.080 to come out with four really good players in the 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.360 top one hundred that they've got those those draft picks, 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.360 and you know, I'm not saying, you know that the 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.679 rest of the draft is a waste. It's gravy. It's 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:30.840 it's gravy in my mind. Then you double down. You know, Okay, 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:34.120 another offensive lineman, another wide receiver. I mean you look 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:38.880 at the wide receiver position, accumulation of of of you know, 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.760 draft potentials and so forth. There's forty or more players draftable, 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:46.440 forty more players at cornerback draftable makes sense. It's that's 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:50.720 the position that's National Football League. I mean, there's a need, 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:54.079 but there's an abundance to address the need at wide 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:57.199 receiver and corner and you know, it's it's not the 0:12:57.320 --> 0:13:01.319 least a bit surprising. At the offensive tackle position. I mean, heck, 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:05.120 there are twenty six offensive tackles potentially draftable. You know, 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:09.600 but when you look at where these draft picks fall, 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.600 like with the offensive tackles we're talking about first round, 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:14.840 is there's not a good number of guys again until 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.480 the fourth round and then in the seventh round. You know, 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.000 what do you think, Okay, defensive tackle, there's one or 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:25.480 two guys. I think in the defensive tackle position, there 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.880 are going to be more drafted in this draft than 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.720 there have been in prior drafts in terms of number, 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:34.480 but not top end. But you know, a guy or 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:36.760 two maybe in the first round, but in the seventh 0:13:36.840 --> 0:13:38.520 round going to have a half a dozen of more 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.120 in the second round where the Bengals might target, there's 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:42.520 going to be a half a dozen or more. 0:13:42.720 --> 0:13:43.400 You know, it's like that. 0:13:44.040 --> 0:13:47.640 I think I think this draft could potentially, you know, 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:49.520 sift out in a pretty decent form. 0:13:49.679 --> 0:13:51.120 The for the Cincinnati Bengals. 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:55.800 I do think they address the offensive positions first. If 0:13:56.679 --> 0:13:58.960 push comes to show, it's more of an offensive draft 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.040 to me than a defensive draft. But you know a 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:03.160 lot of people say, well that's the case. You know, 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:06.600 wait longer and address your offense. Take the better defensive 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:10.320 playerville And I wouldn't mind that either. But I think 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:14.560 there's more depth in the offensive tackle and wide receiver 0:14:14.679 --> 0:14:19.000 position than there is in the in the interior defensive 0:14:19.040 --> 0:14:22.040 tackle and cornerback position, although the pretty deep at corner 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:22.480 as well. 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:25.320 Let me circle back to offensive line for a second. 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:27.960 You locked in on Latham and Mims, who again on 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:31.920 the consensus board with a fifth and sixth offensive lineman. 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:35.080 Let me talk about offensive lineman number four, Troy fa 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:38.640 Utanu from Washington. He's not one of the behemoths that 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.200 you talked about earlier. He's not six six, he's not 0:14:41.280 --> 0:14:42.320 three thirty's. 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:42.840 A little smaller. 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:47.040 Some people project him as a guard, but everybody seems 0:14:47.080 --> 0:14:50.800 to think that he's destined for success somewhere on the 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:51.680 offensive line. 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:52.880 What do you think of Fautanu. 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:54.920 I like him Dan because of the reason that you're 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:57.480 talking about. I think he could play center too. I 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:59.040 think it'd be a good center. I think I think 0:14:59.080 --> 0:15:01.200 he can play off of He's, in my mind, one 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:03.480 of those guys. And you know, I prided myself on 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:06.480 knowing what was going on at all five position groups. 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:08.960 He's one of those guys that I think an offensive 0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:12.400 line coach would say, look, you know, maybe not necessarily 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:15.080 his rookie year, they may just zero in on a 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:20.160 position groups, but maybe into his once he's comfortable and 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.880 into his rookie year. Maybe in the first few games. Look, 0:15:22.920 --> 0:15:24.680 I want you to really start to broaden your horizon 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:27.000 here in terms of you know, when you're pulling, know 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:29.200 what's happened? Is the center reaching the tackle blocking? Now 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:31.360 what's going on? Because I want you to be able 0:15:31.400 --> 0:15:33.520 to be a guy that I can plug and play 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:37.640 potentially anywhere in the offensive line, and you know there's 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:40.720 value to that. I know that helped me play the 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:42.920 length of time I played in the National Football League. 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:44.760 As the old saying goes, the more you can do, 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:46.800 you know it's going to help you. And I think 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:52.040 he's got that type of athletic ability and mentality to 0:15:52.120 --> 0:15:52.800 be able to do that. 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.680 On the consensus board, the top two defensive tackles or 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:00.280 Byron Murphy of Texas and Johnny Newton of Illinois. Either 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:03.280 is a DJ reader type. These are not nose tackles. 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.960 These are roughly six feet tall, three hundred pound penetrating 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:10.160 three technique type guys. Do you have a preference between 0:16:10.520 --> 0:16:12.400 Byron Murphy and Johnny Newton? 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:16.600 I like them both, but Murphy to me is he's 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:21.520 a little bit more freakish, you know, I mean the 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:23.640 things that he can do. When you look at him, 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:26.200 he's not he doesn't look to be that big until 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:29.080 you really start to digest him and then you realize 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:31.720 that he is really that big. But his both of 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:36.160 their get offs are extraordinary. And you know, I know, 0:16:36.640 --> 0:16:40.320 like from my rookie experience going against Mike Reid that 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:42.520 he wasn't the biggest guy in that he wasn't the 0:16:42.560 --> 0:16:47.200 biggest cat in the zoo. But man explosive, you know, suddenness, 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.800 It's like oh jeez, he's on you so quickly and 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:53.120 packs of punch because of that. You know, both of 0:16:53.120 --> 0:16:56.360 those guys, you know, remind me of that type of 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:58.960 that type of player. I think they're both going to 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:02.080 have success in the National Football League. I don't think 0:17:02.120 --> 0:17:06.000 there's any any question about that. I'm not sure you 0:17:06.040 --> 0:17:09.280 know that the Bengals, if they slide to eighteen, I 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:10.200 think they have to. 0:17:10.160 --> 0:17:11.640 Be talked about one of them. 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.600 I mean, if it happens like you said, Dan, you 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:18.840 don't know. I mean, the quarterback position, as is always 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:23.280 the case, is the most important position in the league, 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:27.000 and they are involved with every snap, making the decisions. 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:31.560 On every snap, so you know they're gonna move up. 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:34.720 I mean, he might have a guy that's the twentyeth 0:17:34.800 --> 0:17:38.520 best players you're rating players, but because he's a quarterback, 0:17:38.560 --> 0:17:41.080 he can still go in the top ten or even higher, 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:43.000 you know. I mean that's the nature of the beast. 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:45.760 And I think there are other positions in this throwing 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.080 year of the National Football League, you know. I do 0:17:48.119 --> 0:17:53.440 think edge rushers, cornerbacks, wide receivers, offensive tackles, their importance 0:17:53.560 --> 0:17:56.080 is all jumped up as a result as well. I mean, 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:58.520 I think guys climb the board for that reason as well. 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:02.399 So besides the quarter back position, which will naturally, you know, 0:18:03.480 --> 0:18:05.960 the cream will rise to the top, and not necessarily 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:08.920 really good cream, you know, cream that's almost turning bad 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:12.080 still goes to the top. But how many how many 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.480 of the other positions we're talking about, how many of 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:18.480 those guys are Boy, there's the run. I got to 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:20.119 be part of that run. I can't miss out on 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.800 the top end of this deep position group. There is 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.720 still there's depth, but there's a little drop off there, 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:29.879 you know, from this this group to this group. So 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.760 it'll all all depend on when the runs happen and 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:37.080 how they happen. I do think that no matter what 0:18:37.480 --> 0:18:40.119 I mean, if they go offensive tackle, if they go 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.359 wide receiver, if they go corner, they're going to get 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:46.399 a good player. They're gonna get a good player. I 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:48.280 do think it would have to be one of these 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:52.560 two defensive tackles to slide to eighteen for them to consider. 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:56.200 You know, that position group. You know, Sweat might have 0:18:56.280 --> 0:18:58.200 been before he had his Now he's sweating it out 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.800 because he's you know, made mistake, that off the field 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:05.440 mistake that could cost him a good good bit of cash. 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.200 That one will be interesting if he falls to eighteen 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:09.440 in the second round. 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:10.680 What do they do. 0:19:11.520 --> 0:19:14.480 I mean, you scratch scratch a little bit on that, 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:18.600 but I think I think they address address things in 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:23.760 a different way potentially, But that he he unfortunately made 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:26.000 a bad mistake, not only a bad mistake, but a 0:19:26.040 --> 0:19:27.520 bad mistake at the wrong time in his life. 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:31.840 I'm with you, by the way, Murphy over Newton by 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:32.680 a smidge. 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:35.119 Love them both. But Newton had the. 0:19:35.119 --> 0:19:38.240 Broken foot, so that, you know, didn't allow him to 0:19:38.320 --> 0:19:42.200 test going into this draft. Murphy was on that Bruce 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:44.639 Feldman Freak list that comes out every year before the 0:19:44.680 --> 0:19:46.920 college football season, where he was one of the top 0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:49.840 one hundred freaks in the country. Last year, number eighteen 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:52.080 on the list ran a four eight seven forty at 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:53.000 three hundred pounds. 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:58.440 It's amazing. I mean that that explosiveness is just unbelievable. 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:02.159 I bet his I haven't really seen broken down his 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:06.280 ten yard time even I don't even think they measured 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:09.639 the five yard but in my mind five yard area 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:12.879 for a guy like that is I think he's maybe 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:16.280 amongst the quickest there is in the country at any position. 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.639 He is just so his get off is so explosive. 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:23.560 All right, the obligatory brock Bowers discussion. Now, if you 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.080 remove the quarterbacks, he is one of the top ten 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:29.200 players on everybody's big board. So in order for him 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:32.160 to be there for the Bengals, at least five quarterbacks 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:35.320 would probably need to be taken before the eighteenth pick. 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:39.640 If he's there with Mike Kasicki, Tanner Hudson, and Drew 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:43.480