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Speaker 2: Now let's get to football. My broadcast partner, Dave Lapham,

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Speaker 2: has been remarkably accurate over the years in predicting who

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Speaker 2: the Bengals would select with their first round draft pick.

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Speaker 2: In twenty twelve, when many experts said it would be

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Speaker 2: offensive lineman David di Castro, lap correctly said it would

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Speaker 2: be another O lineman, Kevin Zeitler. In twenty thirteen, despite

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Speaker 2: already having two time Pro Bowl tight end Jermaine Gresham

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Speaker 2: on the roster, lapp correctly predicted that the Bengals would

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Speaker 2: select Tyler Eifert. He nailed the John Ross pick in

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Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, and the Bengals already had aj Green and

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Speaker 2: Tyler Boyd, And there have been other years where even

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Speaker 2: if he didn't get his final prediction right, it was

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Speaker 2: because that player was already gone, and Lapp told us

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Speaker 2: who they would likely take if that happened. So it's

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Speaker 2: time for this year's pre draft Extravaganza featuring an in

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Speaker 2: depth discussion of this year's class, our first round predictions,

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Speaker 2: and your ask lap questions.

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Speaker 1: We are now.

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Speaker 2: Joined by the sixty first pick in the nineteen seventy

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Speaker 2: four NFL draft, Syracuse offensive lineman Dave Lapham. That draft

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Speaker 2: took place in January back then, seventeen round. There were

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Speaker 2: seven Hall of famers, five of them went to the

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers. I was looking at the Pro Football Reference database.

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Speaker 2: They have a system that measures everybody's proximate value. You

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Speaker 2: were tied for eighteenth in the nineteen seventy four draft

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Speaker 2: class for most overall career value, actually ahead of Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame tight end Dave Casper, So congratulations on that.

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Speaker 2: Is it a point of pride though, to have been

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Speaker 4: And you'll get to be friends with Mike Webster in particular,

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Speaker 2: The then Houston Oilers had the number one overall pick

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Speaker 4: It was a science to them, long before it was

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Speaker 4: Dallas Cowboys. We think this and just give you really

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Speaker 1: guru says it is a historically good group for offensive linemen.

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Speaker 2: Why what is it about this class that jumps out

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Speaker 4: Boy at the offensive tackle position? Is just their behemoths.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it is unbelievable. If you're not six six

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Speaker 4: you know. And everybody's hand is you know, from the

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Speaker 3: They are big, long.

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Speaker 4: Strong, athletic enough to you know, they're bending at the knees,

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Speaker 4: a group where you know, they are I think six

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Speaker 4: first round and all they're all worthy. And that's the

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Speaker 4: thing I think that's impressive about this draft overall, Dan.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there have been drafts here recently where saying

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Speaker 4: I think this draft is like there will be guys

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: Now this draft, they're able to fill up the first round.

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Speaker 4: And I think overall, in a lot of rounds, there

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Speaker 2: I looked at numerous draft experts big boards to see

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Speaker 2: how they rank these offensive linemen, and there's a website

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Speaker 2: thousands of mock drafts to compile a consensus. Here is

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Speaker 2: the consensus ranking of the top offensive lineman. Joe Alt

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame number one, Olufashin UPenn State, number two, Talisa

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Speaker 2: JC Latham Alabama number five, Amarius Mims Georgia number six.

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Speaker 2: At least one of those guys is going to be

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Speaker 1: Those guys are available.

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Speaker 2: Who's Dave Lapham's dream offensive lineman? And of those six guys,

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Speaker 2: are there any red flags?

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Speaker 4: I think that in my mind, I've kind of liked

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Speaker 3: I mean, he is. He's just so big everywhere.

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Speaker 4: microcosm of a brilliant career. Everybody has bad series of

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Speaker 4: And people are like, ah, he's only you know, started

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Speaker 4: Look at Munhos, I keep looking back to that. If

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Speaker 4: mean he is, like, he's big where you need to

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Speaker 3: I mean he is. He's a freakazoid. He really is.

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Speaker 4: And I would not be disappointed if he were the

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Speaker 4: eighteenth pick for the Bengals. I do think that this

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Speaker 4: draft they were if they if they came to dress

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Speaker 4: offensive tackle, wide receiver, nose tackle, interior, defensive tackle, zero technique,

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Speaker 4: a plus. In corner, they can address those four positions.

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Speaker 4: Dan in the first three rounds where they have four picks,

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Speaker 2: about Rock Bowers. Don't think of him as a tight end,

436
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,720
Speaker 2: just think of him as receiving weapon number two. There

437
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 2: are sixteen NFL wide receivers who are set to make

438
00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 2: more than twenty million dollars a year this year, including

439
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:38,440
Speaker 2: t Higgins, the highest paid tight end in the NFL

440
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 2: makes seventeen million dollars a year. So if your top

441
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,640
Speaker 2: tight ends are paid less than your top wide receivers,

442
00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 2: you can get bowers get one thousand yards of production

443
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 2: theoretically if you use them right every year at a

444
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: cheaper price. Especially when you get to that second contract,

445
00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense.

446
00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 4: Absolutely, the second contract is where you kill it, you know,

447
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 4: because like I said, tight end Travis Kelsey seventeen you know,

448
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,000
Speaker 4: he's the guy Hall of Famer seventeen mil. It's just

449
00:23:11,119 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 4: that that position group has not caught up with I mean,

450
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 4: you have defensive tackles in the NFL making over twenty

451
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 4: million a year. You have a lot of position groups

452
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,280
Speaker 4: making over twenty million dollars a year. So to get

453
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:28,800
Speaker 4: him on a rookie contract at that value, and then

454
00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,479
Speaker 4: even into the second contract where hopefully now he's been

455
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 4: around for a five year deal and now it's like

456
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 4: has he made a Pro Bowl or is he on

457
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,240
Speaker 4: the doorstep of a Pro Bowl? You're still going to

458
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 4: be able to get him for less than these thirty

459
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 4: million dollars a year contracts for these wide receivers, you know,

460
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 4: and that in my mind is a huge reason, you know,

461
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 4: to consider that guy. There's the economics of the weapon

462
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:03,919
Speaker 4: that he provides, plus the economics that it will cost you.

463
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 4: I mean, that's a pretty good case to consider him,

464
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 4: very very seriously.

465
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about the potential that trade in

466
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 2: the first round. If there was somebody like Bowers or

467
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 2: one of the offensive linemen was a few spots ahead

468
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: of them. If you look at one of those draft

469
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 2: trade charts, in order to move up three or four

470
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 2: spots in the first round, they would probably have to

471
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,240
Speaker 2: give up their extra third round pick. They've got two.

472
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 2: The second one is ninety seven overall. Would you do

473
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 2: that to move up a few spots if there was

474
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,159
Speaker 2: someone you really like? Considering that there are going to

475
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 2: be plenty of players you like at number eighteen.

476
00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 4: Right, I mean, you'd have to consider Bowers is uniquely

477
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 4: special if he's still still there after fifteen, and you're like,

478
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 4: you know, if he's there at fifteen, like you said,

479
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 4: you move up three spots and give up third round

480
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 4: pick to do it. I mean that's where the rubber

481
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,639
Speaker 4: meets the road. I mean, that's a big decision because

482
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 4: you you're going to get a good football player at

483
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 4: one of those four positions that we're talking about, offensive tackle,

484
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:09,480
Speaker 4: wide receiver, you know, nose tackle, or corner. So that's

485
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,439
Speaker 4: that's let's put it this way. In the last twenty

486
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 4: five years, the Bengals haven't moved up in the first round.

487
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 4: They've moved back twice since twenty ten, but haven't moved

488
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:27,680
Speaker 4: up at all. Now again they have they've been unfortunately,

489
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,479
Speaker 4: they have been pretty high in the draft anyway, and

490
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 4: the reason to move up and moving up from when

491
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 4: they were good, moving up from the back end is difficult,

492
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 4: you know, to move up to near the top ten.

493
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 4: So at eighteen it's costly, but it's not as costly

494
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 4: as it would be, you know, other years. So that

495
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 4: is I mean, all of that. You can throw all that,

496
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 4: all that into a computer that you want to, but

497
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 4: you have to have it's a gut it's a gut field,

498
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 4: it's a gut check. What do you what's the comp

499
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 4: to this guy? Is there a comp to this guy?

500
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 4: Does this guy provide such a unique weapon opportunity that

501
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 4: you know, gosh, he really doesn't have a comp. His

502
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,680
Speaker 4: comp might be, you know, an all Pro receiver and

503
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 4: an all Pro tight end. You know, uh, put them

504
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 4: together and you got you got the comp to Brock Bowers.

505
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 4: You know, it's like, wow, what I mean, who is

506
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:24,639
Speaker 4: who is this guy's comp? And while I'm thinking about that, Uh,

507
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:26,479
Speaker 4: Bill Tobin came to mind, you know. I mean he

508
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 4: was great at doing this type of thing. He had

509
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 4: a great gut for this type of a great feel.

510
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 4: I mean, Mike Brown has said many times whenever Bill

511
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 4: Tobin spoke about a player, that was, you know, the

512
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 4: voice of God in terms of football evaluation. And the

513
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:48,360
Speaker 4: Bengals in the National Football League recently lost a heck

514
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 4: of a man as fine a man as I have

515
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 4: a med Dan and his son Dude could cut from

516
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 4: the same cloth. I mean, the Tobin family has been

517
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 4: good to us, and they've been good to the National

518
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 4: Football League. And so I think about Bill Tobin around

519
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 4: this time of year every year, and then this year

520
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 4: a sad situation.

521
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 3: We lost a.

522
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 4: Great one there. But those kind of guys like a

523
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,120
Speaker 4: Bill Tobin with that type of you know, that that

524
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 4: type of confidence in what he's seeing and being able

525
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 4: to make a decision based on his gut, and not

526
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 4: every one of them are going to be right. That's

527
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 4: the thing you hate to You hate to make a mistake,

528
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,400
Speaker 4: and if it costs you a top one hundred pick,

529
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 4: it's a costly mistake. So you have to you definitely,

530
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 4: you definitely have to feel you know, not just like

531
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 4: sixty percent right. You have to be up there. It

532
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 4: has to be an extremely high percentage. You have to

533
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 4: feel like, you know, nine times out of ten, I'm

534
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,600
Speaker 4: doing this, man, I'm on this. This is this is

535
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 4: This is a no brainer to me. You know, other

536
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 4: people may rip it apart, and there's there's always going

537
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 4: to be somebody just for the sake of being contrarian.

538
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 4: There's going to be people out there that are going

539
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 4: to take the other side and bash you to death

540
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 4: or whatever. But you have to have a confidence in

541
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 4: your eyes and your football acumen and make a call.

542
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,159
Speaker 2: Which is why I will give a flat out no

543
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 2: to giving up that third round pick to move up

544
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 2: a few spots. I don't think it's worth it. The

545
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 2: draft is always a crapshoot. Injuries happen, you never know

546
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,200
Speaker 2: what's going to happen. Guys that you think are a

547
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 2: sure thing often aren't sure things. I'd go back a

548
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 2: few spots to get an extra third round pick. I

549
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: would not go up. The one exception would be for

550
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 2: a quarterback. If I was in a situation where I

551
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: desperately needed a quarterback and the class was good and

552
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 2: I felt like I've got a really good chance that

553
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 2: this guy's going to be my quarterback, then I'd do it.

554
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 1: For virtually any other position, I'm not doing.

555
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 4: It, Yeah, I would tend to regrue and the Bengals. Obviously,

556
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 4: I haven't moved up in the first round for twenty

557
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 4: five years. That's their thought process. I mean, it has

558
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 4: to be something that is so incredibly you know, obvious

559
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 4: to everybody that it has to happen, but and brought

560
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 4: by is probably you know a guy that you might

561
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 4: because let's face it, in the twenty five years, there

562
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 4: have been a litany of opportunities for them to move up.

563
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 4: I mean, people are, you know, testing the waters all

564
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 4: day every day with every team in the National Football

565
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 4: League for trades, some more than others. But there's obviously

566
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 4: been been times where, you know, the Bengals have been

567
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 4: afforded an opportunity and decided not to do it. I agree,

568
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 4: I do think. I do think when you're in the

569
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 4: top hundred, that's good draft capital and you don't waste it.

570
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 4: You don't waste it.

571
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I start considering moving up when the cost is

572
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: fourth round or late. I'm not giving up a third

573
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 2: or obviously a first or second.

574
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 3: I agree, I agree.

575
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:50,479
Speaker 4: I mean day one, day two draft picks or you know,

576
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 4: and you'll see there's there's always going to be examples

577
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 4: of oh, well, you know, so and so it was

578
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 4: a seventh, so and so it's a sixth. But you're

579
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 4: talking about a small number in the bi big stratosphere,

580
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 4: the big universe of the National Football League. You're always

581
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 4: going to find somebody that is, you know, different than

582
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 4: the norm, but you're not going to find a whole

583
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 4: bunch of them. So yeah, I mean, I think, I

584
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,240
Speaker 4: think being prudent and judicious with those over the long haul,

585
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 4: there's always going to be somebody there that is going

586
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 4: to give you value at that pick. You know, it's like,

587
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 4: I just if if you for some reason, if you

588
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 4: have a roster that's incredible, and you you know, you

589
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 4: want to give up a third round pick because you

590
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 4: only have like one one need to fill and you

591
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 4: want to address it in the second and third round.

592
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 4: You want to move up in the third round to

593
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 4: address this one need I'm talking about, Like the odds

594
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 4: of this happened is one, and I don't know how

595
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 4: many gazillion I think. I think it's it's very very

596
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 4: rare that I would consider doing that.

597
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: Just because Tom Brady was the one hundred and ninety

598
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 2: ninth pick in the draft, that does not mean that

599
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: all picks number one ninety nine are great.

600
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 3: Yep.

601
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 2: According to the various big boards, there's a good chance

602
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 2: that the third or fourth best cornerback will be there,

603
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: Nate Wiggins of Clemson, Cooper Dijon or Djene of Iowa.

604
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 2: The fourth, fifth, or sixth wide receiver could be there.

605
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas from LSU, Lad McConkey of Georgia, Ad Mitchell

606
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: from Texas. Is it a long shot to think that

607
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 2: pick number eighteen is going to be one of those guys?

608
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 3: I don't.

609
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 4: I don't think it's a long shot. I think those

610
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 4: guys are That's that's why I think this draft is

611
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 4: so unique. It's like I think, when the Bengals to

612
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 4: get to eighteen, there's going to be maybe four options.

613
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 4: There's going to be an option to each one of

614
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 4: those positions. And now it's like, Okay, we spend all

615
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 4: this time stacking our board, and you know what, no

616
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 4: board in the UH, in the NFL is identical on

617
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 4: team by team basis. Why because every board there is

618
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 4: need involved. I don't give a damn what they say

619
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 4: board based on bull crap, Mama. I mean there's there's

620
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 4: definite need. There's definite need. I mean some teams have

621
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 4: that need a quarterback. Some teams have quarterbacks much stacked

622
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 4: much differently on their board than teams that don't. I mean,

623
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 4: let's face it, not everybody's gonna have five quarterbacks going

624
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 4: in the top half of the first round. Potentially they're

625
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 4: gonna say, I'm gonna go buy my real true evaluation

626
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 4: in this quarterback position. And this guy is not even

627
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 4: a top fifteen guy on the big board. I'm not

628
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 4: gonna put him in the top one. But teams that

629
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 4: it's based on need, that's that's just the nature of

630
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 4: the beast. So there are gonna be again, depending on

631
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 4: when the runs happen at these positions. It's you think,

632
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 4: you know, people might say, you mean to tell me

633
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 4: that the sixth offensive tackle is better than the second

634
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 4: defensive tackle at number eighteen, Are you kidding? No, not kidding.

635
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 4: I mean, based on the tape, that's what I'm saying.

636
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 4: You know, it's it might not be a huge difference.

637
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 4: And the sixth offensive tackle, the fourth corner, you know, whatever.

638
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: The case may be.

639
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 4: They may all be there and I may have them

640
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 4: on my board like Bank Bank, They're all right there.

641
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 4: They're all in the same little cluster, same little clump.

642
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 4: So now you have to go to whatever's going to

643
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 4: be the differentiator man, high character guy. This guy, I

644
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 4: mean everybody, everybody I talked to has nothing they get

645
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 4: to say about this guy. This guy has a little

646
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 4: flying annoying with this. I mean, now you're talking about,

647
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 4: you know, nitpicking, and that's what it might come down to.

648
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: So we've been focused on pick number eighteen.

649
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 2: The Bengals also have number forty nine, that's their second

650
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: round pick. They've got two picks in the third eighty

651
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 2: and ninety seven. So for out of the top one hundred,

652
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 2: do you have some favorites, some guys you like after

653
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: round one?

654
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 4: You know, I haven't really kind of zeroed in. Honestly,

655
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 4: if if for whatever reason, the Bengals do don't take

656
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 4: a tackle at at eighteen and I don't think this

657
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 4: guy is going to fall to the middle of the

658
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,759
Speaker 4: second round, but a guy that might be in the

659
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 4: second round, they might think about moving up for Patrick

660
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:13,520
Speaker 4: Paul out of Houston.

661
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: He could be there with their second round.

662
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 3: Bit he could yeah, and they may have to move

663
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 3: up a little bit for him.

664
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 4: I mean, if if they could get if they don't

665
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 4: go tackle in the first round, that that's a guy

666
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 4: in the in the in the second round that you

667
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 4: know that I I would I would think, yeah, you

668
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 4: know that that could make some sense. Javon Baker out

669
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 4: of Central Florida as a as wide receiver yet wide

670
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 4: receiver possibly you know, in in the third round. Uh

671
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 4: for defensive line, interior defensive lineman in the in the

672
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 4: second round. Uh if I like Fisk a lot I

673
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 4: like uh. I like Jenkins out of Michigan, I like

674
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 4: Fisk out of Florida State. You know, those couple of

675
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 4: guys potentially in the in the second round for an

676
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:04,479
Speaker 4: interior de defensive tackling the third round, Smith out of LSU,

677
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 4: Jackson McKinley Jackson out of Texas A and m those

678
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 4: guys potentially, you know, as third round guys. I've those

679
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 4: are guys that I've thought about, you know, maybe a

680
00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 4: little bit.

681
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's it's.

682
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 4: I've focused most of my attention, as you can tell,

683
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 4: on the interior offensive and defensive line.

684
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 3: A guy that I.

685
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 4: Really like a lot is man Darius Robinson out of

686
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 4: Missouri edge guy. And that's not a huge I mean

687
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 4: that's the Bengals are in good shape, but you can

688
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 4: always use another edge guy. The thing is, you know,

689
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 4: when you when you look at it, I mean edge

690
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 4: rushers the seventh round. There's there could be ten to

691
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 4: twelve guys still available off the edge in the seventh

692
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 4: round because it's such a plentiful position because of the

693
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 4: way the national foot in college football, in the National

694
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 4: Football League, you know, structures itself now, you know, I

695
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 4: mean you might be able to might be able to

696
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 4: get a good end guy in the third or fourth round.

697
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 4: There could be ten guys available in that third and

698
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 4: fourth round, you know, front edge guy. So I'm saying

699
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 4: this draft I think is so deep. I think they're

700
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 4: gonna be with there are what two or three teams down,

701
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 4: they have eleven picks and the Bengals have ten.

702
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 3: They were amongst, you know, the league leaders.

703
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 4: With having that draft capital going into this particular drafts

704
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 4: as well fortified as it is, I think it's a

705
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 4: good thing.

706
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: I wrote down some names for guys I like after

707
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 2: round one, and you named two of them. Chris Jenkins

708
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: from Michigan aka the Mutant. His dad is a four

709
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: time pro bowler. His dad is sixty pounds heavier, but

710
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: Chris Jenkins, the defensive tackles about three hundred pounds. I

711
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 2: also like Mason Smith from LSU. There aren't a lot

712
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 2: of tall defensive.

713
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,479
Speaker 1: Linemen in this crowd.

714
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 2: He's six five, three h six coming off in ACL

715
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 2: from a couple of years ago, but I think he

716
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: might be there with their first third round pick. I

717
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: also like Mike Hall from Ohio State. Twenty years old.

718
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: Ran a four to seven five forty two hundred and

719
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 2: ninety nine pounds, was excellent in the Senior and we

720
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: know that the Bengals.

721
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,320
Speaker 1: Have liked Ohio State players, so that might be a

722
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: name to keep an eye on.

723
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 4: What about a corner, Dan, I have a guy in

724
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 4: the third round Max Melton, not of Rutgers, potentially as there.

725
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 4: I mean, that's a guy that I've kind of said, hey,

726
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 4: if he's a I mean the fourth round again, there's

727
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 4: I mean third, fourth, and fourth, fifth and sixth round

728
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 4: corners we're looking at, like, you know, a dozen and

729
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 4: a half guys available, eighteen to twenty guys that you

730
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 4: can choose from some point in time in those three rounds.

731
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 4: So in my mind that might be a good targeting

732
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 4: point for the cornerback position.

733
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

734
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: I had Max Melton down ran a four to three

735
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: nine forty block several punts at Rutgers number sixty three

736
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: on the Dane Brugler board, So might he.

737
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: Be there at eighty maybe.

738
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Speaker 2: Would be my favorite non first round pick in this

739
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: draft is cornerback Mikey Saintras still of Michigan. He's Mike

740
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 2: Hilton two point zero. He's undersized five to nine, one

741
00:38:01,960 --> 00:38:04,320
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty two pounds, but a two time captain

742
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 2: six picks last year two pick six is every time

743
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: I turned on the TV and watched Michigan last year,

744
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: he was making big plays. Might he be there at

745
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: forty nine in the second round?

746
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

747
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:17,240
Speaker 1: Maybe?

748
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 2: And I don't know if the Bengals had pulled the trigger.

749
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,439
Speaker 2: But I love Mikey Semer still.

750
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I've got him in the second round. TJ.

751
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 4: Tampa Lassiter, I like, but I think they'll they'll probably

752
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 4: be gone by eighteen, but I do out of Michigan,

753
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 4: Sam still the same type of thought Presssu then melting

754
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 4: in the third round, and I didn't go as far

755
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 4: as the fourth round in terms of the corner spot.

756
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 4: But I don't know it's going to be interesting. It's

757
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 4: if we're thinking this, you got to figure a lot

758
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 4: of teams in the NFL or thinking too. And that's

759
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 4: the thing. You get to a certain spot. There's this

760
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 4: cluster of corners, there's this cluster of receivers. There's this

761
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 4: I mean, it's like it's not just a guy from

762
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 4: each position group, it's multiple guys from each position group

763
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 4: that may be worthy, particularly like you say, we're thinking, oh,

764
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 4: would he be available if they're sliding? Gosh, man, that's

765
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 4: the thing you look at when when the when the

766
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 4: quarterbacks get pushed up in the draft, overvalued like they are,

767
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 4: there's a trickle down effect that takes a few rounds

768
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 4: before it kind of readjusts itself, so you know, some

769
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:30,200
Speaker 4: guys potentially could be affected by that, and you might

770
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 4: there may be guys available. It's like, damn, I never

771
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 4: thought that, dude, it would be here at this spot.

772
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,239
Speaker 4: But it's a you know, or it's a trickle up

773
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 4: or trickle down, whatever you want to say. It's an

774
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 4: adjustment of where these guys were pictured by the mock

775
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 4: people and probably player of Personnel department guys going into

776
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 4: the draft until the actual pick of how many quarterbacks

777
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 4: are gonna how many teams are gonna get suckered by quarterbacks,

778
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,560
Speaker 4: how many teams are going to make a run at

779
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 4: wide receiver, make a run at offensive tackle, whatever the

780
00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 4: case may be.

781
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 2: More with Lapp in a moment, but first, a quick

782
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:04,560
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788
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Speaker 2: I wrote on a few wide receivers as well for

789
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 2: after the first round. Malachi Coraley from Western Kentucky. His

790
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: nickname was the Yack King. He's been compared to Deebo

791
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 2: Samuel did not run a good forty time at the Combine,

792
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: but was incredibly productive with the ball in his hands

793
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 2: last year. Troy Franklin from Oregon. He is a field stretcher,

794
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,279
Speaker 2: tremendous speed. Devontees Walker from North Carolina just like that

795
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: as well for three six in the forties. So those

796
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: are a few of the guys that I'm thinking might

797
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 2: be a possibility for a second or third round wide receiver.

798
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 4: I had Ricky Prol Pierre Sally should say from Florida.

799
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 4: I had Leget. I think he's he's talked about. I mean,

800
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 4: he's a riser. It seems like I had him as

801
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 4: the third round potential. I mean he might go somewhere

802
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 4: in the second round. But you know, and I mentioned

803
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 4: h Baker Jalen Polp from Washington. Potential fourth round guy

804
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 4: is somebody that you know, thought thought had some some potential.

805
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 4: So there are going to be there are going to

806
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 4: be really good football players. And the thing is Dan

807
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 4: the secret sauce of having a successful personnel department is

808
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 4: this guy man and the offense that he got stuck

809
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 4: in and there's less of that in the NIL. Now

810
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 4: they get the heck out of there. And the NIL

811
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 4: is an interesting dynamic. I mean to me, it's like

812
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 4: as it made it hard or easier for personnel people

813
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 4: to evaluate because there's a lot of the guys that

814
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,400
Speaker 4: would have gone in the seventh round their college teams

815
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 4: are saying, we'll make it worth a while. Don't don't

816
00:41:58,480 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 4: go out in the draft and go in the sixth

817
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 4: or something. We'll give you more money than you make,

818
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 4: you know. And when you look at it, they get

819
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,720
Speaker 4: that kind of net money. They don't have to pay

820
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 4: for housing, you don't have to pay for food. You know,

821
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 4: alum might be given him a car. It's it's it's

822
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 4: the grossest the net. There's no expenses, so competing at

823
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 4: the end of the NIL, I think makes it. It

824
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 4: kind of clears some of the waters a little bit

825
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 4: on the on the back end, the late end. But

826
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 4: and I think it also it's like, man, this poor kid,

827
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 4: he got stuck in this system or you know, no

828
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 4: anything else says I'm out, bro, you're not using me.

829
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 4: I'm better than this you guys, I can't stay here.

830
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 4: You guys lied to me, you're not using me the way,

831
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 4: or sometimes just a personality issue and the assistant coach

832
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 4: or the coordinator, the head coach just don't hit it

833
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 4: off and I don't get the hell out, you know,

834
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 4: So there's there's less of that. That, to me was

835
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 4: one of the hardest things for personnel departments to evaluate.

836
00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 4: This guy just got he got dealt a bad hand. Well,

837
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 4: now with the nil, you can discard and get three more,

838
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 4: you know, and try to improve your.

839
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 2: Hand anil and the ability to transfer without sitting out

840
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 2: of here. Take Charlie Jones in his final year, he said,

841
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 2: I'm going to go where there's a quarterback that can

842
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 2: get me the ball and I can put up some

843
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 2: wide receiver stats.

844
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 4: Absolutely absolutely, I mean I think I think that from

845
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 4: that standpoint, I think that's a big burden that has

846
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:28,919
Speaker 4: been somewhat lifted from player personnel people is like, well,

847
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 4: his for his his measurables and his tangibles. It just

848
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 4: wasn't the right fit. In my mind. The thing that

849
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 4: you still have to really be clever at and have

850
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 4: a lot of contacts is the intangibles, is the dude

851
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,240
Speaker 4: a turd? I mean, does does the dude want to compete?

852
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 4: Is he like an uber competitor? Is he?

853
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: This? Is he?

854
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 1: That? So?

855
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 3: I think?

856
00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 4: I think the Bengals, having as many guys as they've had,

857
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 4: stay together for as long as they have, They've finished

858
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 4: each other's sentences, you know, now, being with one organization

859
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 4: all those years, the contacts they've made out in the

860
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 4: college football world for a number of years, there's a

861
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 4: lot of trust there, back and forth to evaluate whether

862
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 4: a guy you know thumbs up or thumbs down.

863
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 2: You have just given me the greatest idea of all time.

864
00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 2: Just as captains wear a C on their jersey, I

865
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 2: think guys who are known as turds should be forced

866
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: to wear a tea tea classic.

867
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 4: I'll tell you, man, I'm still trying to figure out

868
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 4: the best way to spell it.

869
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 2: T you are, I'm a t U R speller. All right,

870
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: we have reached the moment of truth. It is prediction time.

871
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 2: With the eighteenth pick of the twenty twenty four NFL Draft,

872
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Bengals select.

873
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 4: I'm going by what I'd like to see happen, and

874
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 4: I think Orlando and Brown and I are in the

875
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 4: same boat. I'd like to see Jacon. I mean, will

876
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 4: he be there? Who the hell knows? I mean, if

877
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 4: he's not, it wouldn't. I wouldn't. As a former offensive lineman,

878
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be upset if they took Mims.

879
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 3: It wouldn't. It wouldn't hurt me at all.

880
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people might say, oh, that's

881
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 4: a little bit too rich, you know, potentially, But I

882
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 4: see he's got some guys have you know, uh, a.

883
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 3: High floor and a low ceiling or a high ceiling.

884
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 4: Low. He's got a high floor in a high ceiling.

885
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 4: I mean, he's he's got a lot. But if the

886
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,440
Speaker 4: Bengals were able to select jac Latham with that eighteenth pick,

887
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 4: I'd be uh, I'd be a happy camper. Anybody want

888
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:41,399
Speaker 4: to join me at.

889
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: Camp Frank Pollack would like to join you at that camp.

890
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 3: Yes.

891
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 2: So I've done three three round mock drafts on this

892
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 2: podcast over the last few weeks. Twice my first ground

893
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 2: pick was Troy Fautanu. The other time it was JC

894
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: Latham when he was there. If either of those guys

895
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 2: is there, that's my pick. But I don't think either

896
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 2: one is going to be there. I just have a

897
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,280
Speaker 2: hunch there's going to be a run, and my options

898
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: are going to be as follows, best offensive line available, Mims,

899
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 2: best defensive linemen available, Murphy, some other guys as well

900
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 2: that are interesting, wide receivers, corners, etc. But because I'm

901
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: fearing that the top five offensive linemen on the consensus

902
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 2: board are going to be gone, I will predict Byron Murphy.

903
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 2: I have not taken up until this point, but as

904
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 2: of today, that is my prediction.

905
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that could very well pan out that way.

906
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 4: And it's like, like I said before, it's like, Okay,

907
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 4: you mean to tell me the sixth rated offensive tackle

908
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 4: in most people's opinion, is better than the number one

909
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 4: defensive tackle. I know I'm not saying that necessarily, and

910
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 4: I'm speaking as a former offensive line in the ear,

911
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 4: but I mean I do think I could see. I

912
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 4: could see, you know, would I have a problem if

913
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 4: they took If there were five offensive tackles taken, Latham

914
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 4: was one of those, I would not have an issue.

915
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 4: If they took Murphy over Mims whatsoever. I wouldn't have

916
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 4: an issue they took Mems over Murphy. I do think

917
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 4: they need to address some way the offensive offensive a

918
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 4: defensive line the line of scrimmage with that eighteenth pick, though,

919
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 4: I do believe that, and I mean, if.

920
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 3: There's an edge guy that slides shoot.

921
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 4: Caught me in, I'm good with that as well, you know,

922
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 4: But I don't think at eighteen I would go with

923
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 4: an interior offensive lineman over the interior defensive lineman. I

924
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 4: wouldn't do that. If the cornerback slides, I mean, one

925
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 4: of the top four corners for whatever reason, would be there.

926
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 4: You just don't know. But I agree with you as

927
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 4: far as the line of scrimmage is concerned. I just

928
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,879
Speaker 4: hope the big boy out of Alabama's there. The other

929
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 4: reason is we must be cousins. We only have one

930
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 4: letter different. I gotta be just a cousin somehow. I mean,

931
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 4: take out the key, put in a P.

932
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:10,760
Speaker 2: Your name has been mispronounced Latham over the years, no question.

933
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:14,440
Speaker 4: I mean, uh, my football coach and man, you know,

934
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 4: very old Bench Schwartzwalder called me Latham for four years

935
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 4: and my freshman hero is because you know, he didn't

936
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 4: know how to pronounce it.

937
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 3: But it got to be a joke.

938
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 4: And I was his captain for Crown a loud and

939
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 4: he called me Latham when I was sitting across and

940
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 4: he'd smile, you know, hey Latham what uh so? Yeah,

941
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 4: I mean lay from Latham close. I'll change the way

942
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 4: I pronounced my name.

943
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:39,440
Speaker 2: If we dropped him, well, let me say, if they

944
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 2: do wind up taking memes, I've got no problem with that.

945
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,319
Speaker 2: Like you said, he is the offensive tackle built in

946
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: a lab. Yeah, he has eight time Pro Bowl potential.

947
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: Uh And if that's the way the Bengals go, I'm

948
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 2: ready to embrace Amrius Mims.

949
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I do think the thing that I

950
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 4: am about Murphy is for his size, you think and

951
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 4: the explosiveness you'd think that you know, really good push

952
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 4: of past. He plays the run, man, I mean his

953
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 4: pad level, it's almost like he takes a knee on

954
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 4: some reps. He's on one knee to get under people.

955
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,840
Speaker 4: And and that's an explosive guy to be able to

956
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 4: do that. And that's a an athletically and physically gifted

957
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 4: dude to do some of the stuff he does on tape.

958
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 3: There's no question about it.

959
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: All Right.

960
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: We hadn't done a podcast in a while, so I

961
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,319
Speaker 2: pointed the lap signal into the Cincinnati sky and got

962
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:37,480
Speaker 2: several ask lap questions. We've covered some of them already,

963
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: but here are a few that we have not hit on.

964
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,479
Speaker 1: This is from our friend Strawberry Ice.

965
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 2: Oh baby, if Johnny Newton drops to the second round

966
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 2: due to his foot issue, with the Bengals trade up

967
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 2: to get him.

968
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: So that was the question.

969
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 2: Now I did a little extra homework to try to

970
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: put it in better perspective. To move up five spots,

971
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 2: it would probably cost them a fourth round pick.

972
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: To move up ten spots.

973
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 2: It would probably cost them their second third round pick

974
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 2: to move up to the top of the second round.

975
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: It would probably cost them their first third round pick.

976
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 2: Would you make any of those deals in hopes of

977
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:12,280
Speaker 2: getting Johnny Newton?

978
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 4: The only one I'd make dan is the fourth round pick,

979
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 4: for the reasons we talked about earlier. I really value,

980
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 4: you know, those those top one hundred picks. I mean,

981
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,319
Speaker 4: you're going to get good football players with those top

982
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:27,240
Speaker 4: one hundred picks, and he is a really good football player.

983
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 4: But I'd gladly give up a fourth round pick to

984
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 4: move up a handful of spots to get him. But

985
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that i'd I'm not sure i'd more

986
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,800
Speaker 4: goods much more from TJ.

987
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 2: Hushman Zada's shiny shoes. If the Bengals don't select an

988
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 2: offensive lineman in round one, how late can they wait

989
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 2: to get the right tackle of the future.

990
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 4: Well that's a really good question, and you know, I

991
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 4: mean Frank Pollack in the in the scouting department would

992
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 4: be much more qualified to answer that question than me.

993
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 4: But I mean, if they if they wait to the

994
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,960
Speaker 4: fourth round, I wouldn't. I wouldn't wait any longer than that.

995
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 4: I can tell you that. I mean second round. There's

996
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 4: not many projected to go in the second round, not

997
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 4: many predicted to go in the third. But the next

998
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 4: round where there's a cluster of offensive tackles to go

999
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 4: is the fourth round?

1000
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: Based on that?

1001
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 4: Geez, I don't know. I feel like they have to

1002
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 4: spend one of the top one hundred picks on that

1003
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 4: offensive tackle. I don't think they can wait to go

1004
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 4: to the next run potentially of offensive tackles into the

1005
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 4: fourth round.

1006
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 1: Here's a question from Mane.

1007
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 2: What do you think of offensive lineman Graham Barton out

1008
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 2: of Duke Could he be in play at number eighteen?

1009
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 4: We talked about versatility. I think he's a guy his

1010
00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 4: dad played in the NFL for a good number of

1011
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:56,040
Speaker 4: years as well. And you know he's got position versatility.

1012
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 4: He can play, in my mind, all five positions as well.

1013
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 4: I think, you know, he would initially be projected to

1014
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 4: be a guard, but I do think he could go

1015
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 4: out and play tackle if necessary, and he could definitely

1016
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:10,879
Speaker 4: line up and he's a very intelligent guy.

1017
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 3: Went to Duke.

1018
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 4: I think he could, you know, handle the center position

1019
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 4: very readily. I mean, if he if he's there at

1020
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 4: we talking eighteen when I'm talking, I would not I

1021
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 4: would not put him in the eighteen category. I would

1022
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 4: My discussion would be, you know, if he's there for

1023
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 4: some reason in the second round, hell yeah, even if

1024
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 4: I took a tackle in the first round. If that,

1025
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 4: if Barton's there in the second round, he's definitely in

1026
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 4: the In the conversation.

1027
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 2: From Jesse, if Amrius Mims is the pick, could he

1028
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: play guard until he's needed at right tackle?

1029
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 3: I think he could. I think he could.

1030
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 4: And man, when you look at that six ' eight

1031
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 4: six seven plus, you know the shorty at six '

1032
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 4: four Keras at center, you know, well, Cap is six

1033
00:52:57,000 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 4: six six six. I'm saying if he had to go

1034
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 4: inside at either guard. You know, the two starters are

1035
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 4: between six sixth and sixty seven, between six seven and

1036
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 4: seven eight and six eight. I mean, this offensive line

1037
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 4: is the biggest offensive line in captivity before they make

1038
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 4: this draft selection. When they take this guy, it's going

1039
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 4: to be you. But get better buy tickets because it's

1040
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 4: like viewing at the zoo. You know, you got the

1041
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 4: biggest group in captivity. I mean, it is going to

1042
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 4: be the Great Wall of China. And the thing is

1043
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 4: for the five offensive linemen have been on Super Bowl

1044
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:37,760
Speaker 4: championship teams, projected starters. You got big, powerful, strong, athletic

1045
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 4: enough offensive lineman man a Chevis. It's you know, it's

1046
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 4: almost like you look at what they've already got, what

1047
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 4: they did in free agency with the guys were talking about,

1048
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 4: I mean, the starters, projected starters, with the four Super

1049
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 4: Bowl championships and all the size they've already got. It's like,

1050
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:56,799
Speaker 4: come on, Frank, don't be selfish. You don't need that

1051
00:53:56,840 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 4: eighteenth pick. I'm sure the other position coach, Come on, Frank,

1052
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 4: how much do you need?

1053
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 3: Bro So? I mean, but what what a what a

1054
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 3: room that'll be?

1055
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,760
Speaker 4: I think they can sell tickets to when we land

1056
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 4: at visiting airports when they get off the plane, have

1057
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 4: them I'll get off single, follow as a group and

1058
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 4: have everybody pay to observe them get off.

1059
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 2: You know from Bengals and Bruise, Let's give the interior

1060
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 2: defense or offensive lineman some love. Who are a couple

1061
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,200
Speaker 2: of your favorites among the interior offensive lineman?

1062
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 4: And why well, I know people think the kid from Oregon, uh,

1063
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 4: you know, Johnson Jackson will be able to uh he'll

1064
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 4: be a first round maybe late first round pick, and

1065
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 4: he'll be gone in the in the in the second round.

1066
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 4: Graham Barton, like I talked about earlier from Duke, I

1067
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,800
Speaker 4: think I think he's he's somebody that you need to

1068
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 4: take a look at. Fraser Zach Frasier from West Virginia.

1069
00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,560
Speaker 4: I think he's a he's a scrapper man. He'll he'll

1070
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 4: fight you.

1071
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: He'll wrestling champ.

1072
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:00,040
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he'll he'll fight you till the end, and

1073
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,239
Speaker 4: he'll fight you and bite you until the end. You know,

1074
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 4: there are eight eight potential eight to ten guys. Really

1075
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 4: in round three, round four, there's seven to eight Round five,

1076
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 4: there's another seven round six. I mean from from round

1077
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 4: three to round six we're looking at twenty five to

1078
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 4: thirty draftable players, So in my mind, that's the sweet

1079
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 4: spot where you go after, you know, maybe an interior

1080
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Speaker 4: offensive lineman. So I wouldn't do it with one of

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Speaker 4: the top one hundred picks. But after that open market,

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00:55:33,840 --> 00:55:34,359
Speaker 4: open game.

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00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 2: A question from Sean, will they target a slot receiver

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00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:42,800
Speaker 2: to replace Tyler Boyd or a receiver with more position flexibility?

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00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,400
Speaker 2: And in what round will they draft their first wide receiver?

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Speaker 4: You know, I think the way the Bengals work with

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00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 4: their receiver group is everybody needs to know every assignment.

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00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 4: We know, Dan, that's they pride themselves on being interchangeable.

1089
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 4: Interchange uh drill bits in the drill. So you know,

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Speaker 4: Tyler Boyd could play outside as well as slot, but

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00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:10,320
Speaker 4: he was primarily a slot receiver. You know, Jamar Chase

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00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 4: will go on the slot and he's outstanding. He's out

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00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 4: standing out in the edge. So I think they'll be

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00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 4: looking for a guy that can do that, that can

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00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 4: can line up anywhere and not have a not have

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00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:23,479
Speaker 4: a problem. So that requires a certain amount of skill set,

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00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:27,600
Speaker 4: but also what's upstairs? How much can he assimilate? You know,

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00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 4: is he a guy that is going to be limited. Boy,

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00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 4: this guy, you gotta plug him an X and keep

1100
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 4: it X split in. You know, don't forget about slot, flanker,

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00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 4: forget about slot. So I think you know that part

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Speaker 4: of it is going to be a big part of

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00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 4: the evaluation process of the wide receivers for the Bengals.

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Speaker 2: And when will they take their first I would say

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00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 2: second or third r I don't see them going to

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00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:51,680
Speaker 2: Day three without a wide receiver.

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Speaker 3: Agreed, Agreed.

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Speaker 4: I again, I in my mind, if with those first

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00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 4: four picks, the top one hundred picks, offensive tackle, defensive tackle,

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Speaker 4: wide receiver, corner, if they can get in my mind,

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00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,800
Speaker 4: done deal gravy. Rest of the rest of the draft

1112
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Speaker 4: is gravy. And maybe we'll just do a little manipulation

1113
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:17,040
Speaker 4: to move around a little bit. But at that point,

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Speaker 4: I'm just doubling down. And I'm not saying they won't

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Speaker 4: draft the safety. I'm not saying they won't draft a

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Speaker 4: running back. But I think I think that they'll say,

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00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 4: you know what, I'm going to draft another receiver in

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00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,960
Speaker 4: round six because this kid has a shot, you know.

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00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 4: But if they can get those four positions covered in

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00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 4: Day one and two, I'm good.

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00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 2: Question from laslow flow with a needed nose tackle. What

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00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 2: about bringing back Tyler Shelvion For those that don't recall,

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Speaker 2: a fourth round pick in twenty twenty one, he was

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00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 2: part of the Super Bowl team, did play some in

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00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 2: the playoffs that year, but got released in December the

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00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 2: following year. So that's his second year, which is pretty

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00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 2: unusual for a top first four round draft pick in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and haven't heard Tyler Shelvin's name around the league,

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00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 4: you know, anywhere else. So obviously everybody had the same,

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00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,680
Speaker 4: you know, the same evaluation of Tyler Shelvin that the

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Speaker 4: Bengals had. So I do think it would not surprise

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Speaker 4: me that if they go through the draft, and even

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00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 4: if they go through college free agency and they haven't

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Speaker 4: found somebody that they feel like, you know, fits the bill,

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Speaker 4: I think they will go back to the street and

1136
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Speaker 4: see who's who's out there, who's still you know, was

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Speaker 4: released by a team and for whatever reason, nobody else

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00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 4: has picked them up yet because there's not a big

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00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 4: market for those guys. But you know, as as the

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Speaker 4: uh as it starts to dwindle down to okay, now

1141
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 4: there's we still have a little bit of a need

1142
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 4: and this guy's still out there might be able to

1143
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:58,440
Speaker 4: work out a little bit of a fit here that

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00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:00,840
Speaker 4: that wouldn't shock me. I mean, I think they're there's

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Speaker 4: two areas of free agency, in the initial veteran free agency,

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00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 4: which they did a great job, and then the draft

1147
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 4: and then college free agency, and then there's another round

1148
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Speaker 4: of you know, free agents that are still out there.

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Speaker 4: And I think there might be a candidate that would

1150
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 4: come in and compete at training camp for that spot

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Speaker 4: in that arena.

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Speaker 2: But I think we can safely say it will not

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00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 2: be Tyler Shelvin. He was heavy at LSU, he had

1154
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 2: weight issues in Cincinnati. He was in training camp with

1155
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 2: the Titans last year, got released at the end of camp,

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Speaker 2: did not get picked up during the course of the season.

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Speaker 2: I think the Tyler Shelvin NFL career has probably come

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00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 2: and gone.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, I'd be very surprised if it's Tyler

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Speaker 4: Shelvin that they bring off the street. Like I said

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Speaker 4: right before, you know, between college free agency period, that

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00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 4: signing period in training camp, yeah, I mean, you get

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Speaker 4: released in training camp and nobody else picks up and

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00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 4: now I mean not even practice squad. You're available to

1165
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 4: be on a practice squad. You know it's nobody did that,

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01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 4: So I think you don't have to be a genius

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01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 4: to read those tea leaves.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: Another epic pre draft podcast is in the books Lapham

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Speaker 2: Wants Latham.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the bottom line from this podcast.

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Speaker 3: My brother from another mother.

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Speaker 2: Well, the Bengals got the eighteenth most valuable player in

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01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 2: the nineteen seventy four draft when they took Lapham hopefully

1175
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 2: at pick number eighteen. They're going to get a very

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01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 2: valuable player this year and it might just be Latham.

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Speaker 3: I'd be all four it. I would toast that pick.

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Speaker 2: Here's a quick reminder that I'll post new editions of

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01:00:47,880 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 2: this podcast after each day of the draft. You'll hear

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01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 2: from the selections from Bengals coaches, and I'll discuss the

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01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 2: pick with Dave Lapham.

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Speaker 1: That's going to do it for this episode.

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