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Speaker 1: Welcome into a Week thirteen Giants Hangout, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Crestron. My name is Madeline Burke, joined as always

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Speaker 1: by Russ Salzberg and Matt Sytek and guys. Week twelve

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Speaker 1: did not go as the Giants would have hoped. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: they made a huge change coming out of the by

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Speaker 1: making a change at quarterback, going from Daniel Jones to

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Speaker 1: Tommy DeVito and waving DJ Dabele said, you know with

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Speaker 1: that move, he looked at Tommy DeVito said, this is

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Speaker 1: somebody who could possibly provide a spark. That spark didn't

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Speaker 1: come early enough in the game as they would have

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Speaker 1: hoped for us, and the Giants' offense only put up

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Speaker 1: seven points in the loss.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, Madeline, you and I bumped into each other.

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Speaker 2: What was it, I think between quarters or something in

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Speaker 2: the press box, and we just looked at each other

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Speaker 2: like whoever saw this coming? Nobody could have seen this coming.

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Speaker 2: And as far as far as supplying some spark, there

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Speaker 2: was no spark. There's no defending what happened. The players

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Speaker 2: need to do.

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Speaker 3: They got to get themselves, They got to look in

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Speaker 3: the mirror and get themselves out of it, you know,

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Speaker 3: We've been hearing this business about the players frustrated, you know,

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Speaker 3: with players angry after the game.

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Speaker 2: Well, Madelin, you and I are in the locker room

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Speaker 2: every day. I want up to be frustrated and ticked

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Speaker 2: off and miserable. They should feel that way. That's the

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Speaker 2: only way they're going to get out of this. There

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Speaker 2: is no defending two to nine, not for anybody. They

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Speaker 2: need to wake up and do something about it. Yes,

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Speaker 2: the quarterback change was made, it didn't supply any spark.

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Speaker 2: Everybody has to be better across the board, starting with

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Speaker 2: the quarterback. I mean, Tommy is going to get himself

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Speaker 2: another chance Thursday, and let's hope he makes it a

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Speaker 2: happy Thanksgiving. But Tommy was not sharp. I think he

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Speaker 2: was sacked four times. Two Ito sacks were his fault.

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Speaker 2: It just has to be better all the way around.

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Speaker 2: We love Tyrone, Tracy. Tyrone can't put the ball on

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Speaker 2: the ground and across the board, you know, defense, we

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Speaker 2: get down there a five yard line, Tyrone fumbles the ball.

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Speaker 2: They matched ninety five yards. Where was the pass rush?

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm not this is not I'm defending the

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Speaker 2: Giants in that I believe they are better, but believing

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Speaker 2: and seeing is two different things. Show me, that's what

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Speaker 2: they need to do, and they need to show the

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Speaker 2: fans that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, the first half of that game on Sunday

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Speaker 5: against the Bucks was sort of like a perfect storm

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Speaker 5: of just everything.

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Speaker 4: Bad happening that could.

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Speaker 5: I mean, the game started, the Giants won the coin toss,

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Speaker 5: deferred the kickoff to the second half, and the Buccaneers

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Speaker 5: got the ball and proceeded to drive seventy yards down

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Speaker 5: the field, took fourteen plays over eight minutes of game clock,

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Speaker 5: and punching it in for a one yard touchdown run.

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Speaker 5: So before the offense even took the field, we were

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Speaker 5: over halfway done through the first quarter.

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Speaker 4: The defense, you know, after such.

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Speaker 5: A long drive was pretty kind of tired, which like,

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Speaker 5: who's to blame them for that after being on the

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Speaker 5: field for so long, But then the offense when they

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Speaker 5: got the chance, couldn't.

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Speaker 4: Really muster anything.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think the Giants totaled forty five yards

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Speaker 5: of offense in the first half. I think it was

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Speaker 5: three total first downs. And then the defense also kind

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Speaker 5: of you know, after that touchdown drive, they stopped Tampa Bay,

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Speaker 5: which was great, but then the next three drives. They

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Speaker 5: allowed points on all three drives, and so the Giants

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Speaker 5: went into halftime and it was already twenty three nothing,

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Speaker 5: with the offense having not had any success in the

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Speaker 5: first half, the defense really struggling to stop Tampa Bay

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Speaker 5: at all, and that sort of just like it seemed

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Speaker 5: like it deflated the whole team at halftime. I mean,

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Speaker 5: you go into halftime, it's already twenty three nothing. Not

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Speaker 5: to mention Malik Neighbors, who's your best playmaker, hasn't even touched.

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Speaker 4: The ball yet.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it was just a perfect storm of bad

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Speaker 5: things coming together. And you know, when you go down

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Speaker 5: twenty three nothing at half time against a team like

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Speaker 5: the Buccaneers, who were a very good offense and a

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Speaker 5: solid defense, that's tough to come back for any team.

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Speaker 4: It's tough to come back from a deficit like that.

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Speaker 1: You know that forty five yards on eighteen offensive plays

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Speaker 1: in the first half, like that's that's tough production right there.

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Speaker 2: No, you know, I was going to say to both

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Speaker 2: of you, We've been talking, you know, throughout the season

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Speaker 2: about they need to play complimentary football, and what we

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Speaker 2: got to see on Sunday was uncomplimentary. You know. I'm

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Speaker 2: glad you brought that up, Matt. So the Giants win

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Speaker 2: the toss and defer, and I thought that was a

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Speaker 2: good thing. I'd say, you know what, let Tommy DeVito

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Speaker 2: any offense, let's take a look, Let's give them a

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Speaker 2: little breather, let them get used up on the sideline,

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Speaker 2: and maybe the defense can get something going, you know,

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Speaker 2: right from the get go, and get the team revved up.

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Speaker 2: But as you say, eight twenty three, eight minutes and

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Speaker 2: twenty three seconds, a fourteen play drive on seven the yards,

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Speaker 2: the air was taken not just out of the team,

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Speaker 2: but out of the building. You know, people were, you know,

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Speaker 2: they walked in. You could there was a feeling, Okay,

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Speaker 2: it's a new era. Let's see what we got. Let's

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Speaker 2: see what we can do. But the exact opposite happened,

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Speaker 2: and then, you know, as Matt said, then afterwards, it

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Speaker 2: just snowballed. I mean, it's it was over early, and

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Speaker 2: they can't have that happen this Thursday in Dallas.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean even in recounting the game, I mean,

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Speaker 1: players spoke to the media on Monday and Michael McFadden

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Speaker 1: was talking about the comments because that after the game

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Speaker 1: a lot of players saying, you know, we were soft

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Speaker 1: out there. Dexter Lawrence, one of the team's leaders, one

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Speaker 1: of the captains in this locker room, saying I didn't

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Speaker 1: like how we played. We were soft. And you know,

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Speaker 1: Mike McFadden said, I would never want to hear that

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Speaker 1: as a player. Somebody thinks I'm playing soft. That's an

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Speaker 1: embarrassing statement to hear, especially as a linebacker. But he says,

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Speaker 1: I don't think we're a soft team. I wouldn't accept that.

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Speaker 1: But we've just got to stay focused. And I feel

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Speaker 1: like we got dominated out there. And you know, when

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Speaker 1: you look at the way that the players have been

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Speaker 1: holding each other accountable and kind of calling each other out,

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Speaker 1: not in a personal way, but just in a way

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Speaker 1: of like this is not to the level of expectation

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Speaker 1: of the New York Football Giants of a professional football team,

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Speaker 1: and the players in the locker room are looking for

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Speaker 1: that accountability within each other. Matt, that's got to be

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Speaker 1: something that could inspire a get right game on Thursday,

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Speaker 1: of like, let's go out and show who we believe

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Speaker 1: we are, not just as a team but as individuals.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, no, for sure, And I mean the way I

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Speaker 5: kind of look at it as you know, based on

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Speaker 5: how just about all sides of the ball performed on Sunday,

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Speaker 5: it can only go up from that. I mean, the

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Speaker 5: team can only improve in you know, just about every area.

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Speaker 5: I mean, you just brought up some of the comments

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Speaker 5: that were made and like Mike and mcfatten talked to

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Speaker 5: the media yesterday, Well, one of the big, you know,

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Speaker 5: weaknesses of the Giants during this now six game losing

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Speaker 5: streak has been the run defense. I mean, the Giants

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Speaker 5: have really really struggled to slow down opponents on the ground.

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Speaker 5: I mean, during the last six games, the defense is

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Speaker 5: allowing one hundred and seventy five rushing yards per game.

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Speaker 5: And to put that just into contrast, the Panthers currently

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Speaker 5: have the number thirty two ranked rush defense in the

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Speaker 5: NFL on the season, and they're giving up one hundred

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Speaker 5: and sixty point five rushing yards per game. So the

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Speaker 5: Giants during this six game losing streak are fifteen yards

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Speaker 5: worse than the worst team. So the rush defense especially

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Speaker 5: needs to step up. And this Thursday's game against Dallas.

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Speaker 6: Is a great opportunity for that unit in that area

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Speaker 6: in particular to step up because while The Dallas offense

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Speaker 4: It wasn't really in the run game.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Cooper Rush had a solid game, the defense

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Speaker 5: and special teams played well, but the Cowboys really all

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Speaker 5: have not had that much of a run game. So

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Speaker 5: if there's really was a perfect game for the Giants

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Speaker 5: defense to get back on track, and especially against the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I think you hit it on. You know,

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Speaker 2: this is a game, it's Thanksgiving. Yes, it's a short week.

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Speaker 2: No excuses. Just go and take care of business. Give

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Speaker 2: your fans, give your coaches, give your fellow teammates something

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Speaker 2: to be happy about. You know, Maddam, you brought her

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Speaker 2: to point Michael McFadden and not just Micah. One thing

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Speaker 2: I want to clear up here. We've been hearing things

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Speaker 2: about the locker room and reading and I just didn't

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Speaker 2: coming on here, and I said, it's a bunch of lies.

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Speaker 2: Are guys frustrated in the locker room? Yes they are.

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Speaker 2: Are they ticked off? Yes they are, But we're in

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Speaker 2: it every day it's not a toxic locker room. It's

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Speaker 2: not a fractured locker room. They're not griping with each

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Speaker 2: other when you lose like that. As I said to start, Madeline,

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Speaker 2: i want them angry, I want them annoyed, I want

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Speaker 2: and there's no faith in the coaches, that's a lie.

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Speaker 2: It's a complete falsehood. And the fans should know that,

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Speaker 2: especially fans here on a hangout, need to know two

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Speaker 2: and nine. No defending two and nine, but don't tell

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Speaker 2: me it's a bad locker room and guys have fed

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Speaker 2: up and the coaches and this and that. That's not

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And you know, these guys, if anything, they're just

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Speaker 1: frustrated with the lack of execution. They know, you know, hey,

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Speaker 1: we go out there, we practice way too hard to

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Speaker 1: be executing this way with the mistackles and whatnot out there.

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Speaker 1: They know, and they're frustrated with the things they got

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Speaker 1: to get right. And the question kind of baffling us,

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Speaker 1: all is, okay, how does that correction happen? How does

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Speaker 1: that correction translate to the field to a game day,

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Speaker 1: Tommy DeVito talked about, you know, offensively the first half,

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Speaker 1: he said, you know, it was kind of taking a

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Speaker 1: while to figure out what they were showing us. And

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Speaker 1: once we got into a rhythm, of course, Devido had

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Speaker 1: to get used to getting hit. He hadn't had live

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Speaker 1: He was the QB three, So he got into a

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Speaker 1: they got a touchdown, they had a couple other long drives,

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Speaker 1: was a later arriving rhythm for the offense. If that

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Speaker 1: late arriving rhythm can continue over on a short week,

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Speaker 1: because again, as a player, the best thing you can

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Speaker 1: have when you have a performance like that that you

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Speaker 1: are embarrassed by, that you feel like that doesn't define us,

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Speaker 1: is a short turnaround, get back on the field and

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Speaker 1: play another game and show you this is who we

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Speaker 1: believe we are. And so this Giant's team going to Dallas,

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Speaker 1: and yes it's a division rival, it's a division game

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Speaker 1: AT and T. It's going to be an interesting matchup

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Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving Day, Matt. Are the Giants going to give

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Speaker 4: I mean, I sure hope.

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Speaker 5: So a reason for I guess at least a little

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Speaker 5: bit of optimism is if you look back at what

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Speaker 5: Tommy DeVito did last year in the six game stretch

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Speaker 5: that he started. The first game that he started for

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Speaker 4: However, that was his first start.

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Speaker 5: The next week was when they went to Washington, and

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Speaker 5: Tommy had his best game as an NFL quarterback with

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Speaker 5: almost two hundred and fifty yards passing, three touchdowns, no interception.

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Speaker 5: So maybe this was just a situation where as you

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Speaker 5: mentioned Mattle and Tommy's first start hasn't really taken any

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Speaker 5: That's a long time. Maybe he just had to, you know,

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Speaker 5: bit he'll show a little bit, you know, more confidence

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Speaker 4: I think also the coaching staff kind of got.

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Speaker 5: An idea of maybe what works and what does it

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Speaker 5: with this year's Giants team with Tommy DeVito under center,

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Speaker 5: and so going into Thursday's game, especially because we don't

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Speaker 5: looking at the injury report, we don't know who exactly

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Speaker 4: I mean, at least in.

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Speaker 5: Monday's walkthrough, both of the Giants starting offensive tackles from

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Speaker 5: Sunday's game did not participate in practice, Jermaine Iluminor and

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Speaker 1: So when illumin Or left the game, Evan Neil finished

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Speaker 1: throughout the game. But it so, yeah, different elements there,

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Speaker 1: but that's a significant want to keep an eye on.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, So especially if one or both of those guys

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Speaker 5: Because you can say what you want about the Cowboys

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Speaker 5: after your quarterback is still a very dangerous pass rush,

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Speaker 5: and so the coaching staff can kind of come up

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Speaker 5: with smart strategic ways for Tommy to get the ball

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Speaker 5: out quickly, maybe get the ball into Malik's hands right

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Speaker 5: the Giants have obviously lost six straight games, but this

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Speaker 5: is a winnable game Dallas coming off a win. But

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Speaker 5: they just have not been that good this season, So

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Speaker 5: some reasons for optimism at any did this Thanksgiving matchup normally?

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't like these four day weeks. I

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Speaker 2: think it's very difficult for everybody, you know, especially the players.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a grind. That said, though, I'm glad

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Speaker 2: the Giants have to play on Thursday. They had a

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Speaker 2: miserable last game. Let's get it the taste out of

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Speaker 2: our mouths quickly. Let's do something about it. We're on

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Speaker 2: National TV, show your pride, show what you made of

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Speaker 2: Let's do this. Let's go ahead and win a football

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Speaker 2: game by any means necessary, By any.

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Speaker 1: Means necessary, indeed, especially when it's a game in the

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Speaker 1: NFC East. We've got Giants Cowboys Thursday, Thanksgiving Day, four

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Speaker 1: thirty Eastern kickoff in Dallas, and we'll be keeping you

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Speaker 1: up today with all the latest on giants dot com

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