Speaker 1: They say a series doesn't start until the road team
Speaker 1: wins a game, so I guess that means this series
Speaker 1: was on from the jump. As the Pacers head back
Speaker 1: for Game three with the split.
Speaker 2: We'll see you got it. You gotta eat it hard.
Speaker 3: Baby haha.
Speaker 1: And look we're gonna see if okayse he can't return
Speaker 1: the favor and we'll get into this matchup and more
Speaker 1: with longtime NBA writer and our legendary producer Jabbari Davis
Speaker 1: on this episode.
Speaker 2: I'm Miles Great and I'm Jack O'Brien and this is
Speaker 2: housing Jack got mad Blue swimming. Sorry guy, Lucas. Okay,
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Speaker 3: That's been secure. Let's sell click for Henry Champions, go
Speaker 3: to the couple ten.
Speaker 1: Jabari Davis, thank you for joining us today on this
Speaker 1: very what is the penultimate potentially episode of Miles check
Speaker 1: on Medposts.
Speaker 3: Potentially pencil ultimate even pots.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have one episode after the finals, so it's
Speaker 2: remains to be seen. Maybe one more, maybe two more.
Speaker 2: Maybe to say at this point, no, stay tuned for
Speaker 2: the class.
Speaker 4: We don't know how we're officially announcings.
Speaker 2: I think we mentioned it on Zeitgeist before. Yeah maybe, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. Word has spread.
Speaker 3: Uh anyway, So.
Speaker 2: So here we are.
Speaker 3: Jabari Davis last week. I'm still gonna stand.
Speaker 1: I still just for my own little I really would
Speaker 1: like the Pacers to win, but it's it's kind of
Speaker 1: difficult to stick with this based on what I've seen
Speaker 1: now that I think the logical side maybe thinks okay,
Speaker 1: maybe okay, see has this. But also Halliburton has been
Speaker 1: playing well, so there's a few X factors there.
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe okay c k oh the Pacers.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a palindrome.
Speaker 2: Okay, see Funder. Sorry, I've been just nothing to say.
Speaker 4: That I was. I was panic texting both of you
Speaker 4: after Game one when I said you because you know
Speaker 4: remember heading into the series, I said two things. I
Speaker 4: said one, I'm not going to bet against the Pacers anymore,
Speaker 4: and then I follow that up with I got okay
Speaker 4: see in five or six. Yeah, game one, I'm sure
Speaker 4: you guys remember the You could You could probably detect
Speaker 4: the trembling in my in my text.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 5: You were.
Speaker 2: I couldn't understand the thing you were writing. You were
Speaker 2: your fingers were all over the place.
Speaker 4: Hey, that's a thing.
Speaker 2: I was very happy after Game one.
Speaker 5: I was like, we were the all only podcasts that
Speaker 5: were three for three picking the Pacers. Nobody else, Simmons, nobody,
Speaker 5: Zach Low, nobody. Everybody says okay seeing five, which is
Speaker 5: still might be. But yeah, I don't know that Pacers
Speaker 5: come back when just there's just sometimes yeah, when it
Speaker 5: feels like the NBA postseason is being written by something,
Speaker 5: you know, there's just.
Speaker 3: Like Emmy winning writer or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and they're just like that and we're gonna
Speaker 2: have to do it again where they come back from
Speaker 2: an impossible you know, because.
Speaker 1: What they were down fifteen points in the fourth quarter
Speaker 1: and then it just it started just chipping away, chipping away,
Speaker 1: and you could just feel the energy and they're just like,
Speaker 1: oh is it are they doing it?
Speaker 3: Is it happening?
Speaker 1: And yeah, my goodness, it was like just what seven
Speaker 1: seconds left, Halliburn just they're like, nah, let's do it,
Speaker 1: let's do what we do, popped up from the bow
Speaker 1: and then boom there we go down one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: How did you guys feel when you saw him get
Speaker 4: the ball?
Speaker 3: Because I'm exciting, Like.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, this he's getting this.
Speaker 1: I didn't know if I knew it was in, but
Speaker 1: I go this and I was like, Oh, it's this.
Speaker 1: It could happen now, it could happen now. I didn't
Speaker 1: have quite the confidence of maybe a Magan Gaily as
Speaker 1: to maybe what was going to happen there, but I
Speaker 1: did feel like anything is possible.
Speaker 3: For sure.
Speaker 2: I both expected it to go in, and when it did,
Speaker 2: I screamed so loud in my living room that my
Speaker 2: seven year old started making fun of me in a
Speaker 2: way that was genuinely hurtful. No, he was like, oh,
Speaker 2: my boy, he thinks it's so funny anytime I'm watching
Speaker 2: basketball because I react so much to it, and like
Speaker 2: I'm not that you know, I'm not a big emotional
Speaker 2: person otherwise, and so he's like, he's always like, are
Speaker 2: you going to get sad about your basketball team again?
Speaker 3: When this happened?
Speaker 2: Yeah, when this, when this went in, he was like, oh,
Speaker 2: me and him and my nine year old were laughing,
Speaker 2: laughing it up. But did Jennie got mad?
Speaker 3: Did you for them?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I did.
Speaker 3: I was like, this is why this is so amazing.
Speaker 2: It's like they have like a supernatural ability to just
Speaker 2: like come down from impossible this is uh. I was weep,
Speaker 2: just tears streaming down my face, and I think they,
Speaker 2: you know, they kept making fun of me, but I
Speaker 2: think they ultimately, in the long run, respect me more
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 3: It's wild.
Speaker 2: It's I've been saying since the first round when they
Speaker 2: were coming back from the against the Bucks in impossible scenarios,
Speaker 2: did it against the Calves when I was rooting for
Speaker 2: the Calves, because I was still in a place where
Speaker 2: I was like, I just think the Calves are gonna
Speaker 2: have a better shot against the Celtics maybe, And also
Speaker 2: I think they were like it was it was putting
Speaker 2: the Pacers up three to one or something in the
Speaker 2: in the game or two to oll and so I
Speaker 2: was like, well, I want to see a good series.
Speaker 2: So I was rooting for the Cavs, so I got
Speaker 2: the feeling of like what it feels like to just
Speaker 2: be like, oh, this is inevitable. And when they came
Speaker 2: back against the Cavs, it's both like they just like
Speaker 2: suddenly can't miss. They also seem like they have way
Speaker 2: more energy than the team they're playing against, like down
Speaker 2: the stretch like and then it's just and then they
Speaker 2: just spread the court and are just like so deadly.
Speaker 2: It's a wild But anyways, I felt for the OKAC fans,
Speaker 2: but not I don't know. Part of me feels like
Speaker 2: this is just a speed bump on the way to
Speaker 2: this is just like the two thousand and one finals,
Speaker 2: is what I've seen a lot of people saying, you know,
Speaker 2: this was a fun game one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: On the other hand, I don't know, man, Yeah, well
Speaker 2: we'll talk about it. But like Carlisle sitting at starters
Speaker 2: when he did at the end of game two, I
Speaker 2: was like, does he know something is there? Like does
Speaker 2: he have like a move left that he's just not
Speaker 2: telling us about. I think he's like, this isn't not here,
Speaker 2: not like this. We'll go home and then pull it
Speaker 2: on him.
Speaker 1: I mean, for like, how you know, going into it,
Speaker 1: it was like, you know this the thunder defense first
Speaker 1: the Pacers offense. When I was like, when you really
Speaker 1: look at it, like a third of the possessions the
Speaker 1: Pacers had the thunder forcing turnovers. Yeah, and that alone
Speaker 1: that's and I was like, oh, I mean, I know,
Speaker 1: I know the Pacers won, but that's a lot of
Speaker 1: turnovers and that means the thunders defense is thundering. It
Speaker 1: just they just had to figure out that other piece,
Speaker 1: because after game one, I was like, that feels like
Speaker 1: the kind of thing that's gonna wake the thunder up
Speaker 1: for game two, Like they're not gonna let something like
Speaker 1: that happen in the second game.
Speaker 3: And that's pretty much what went down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the turnovers have been I mean that's always been
Speaker 2: Halliburton's thing is not turn it over. He had five
Speaker 2: game two and the Pacers just like couldn't couldn't stop
Speaker 2: turning it over. It was like, had people googling it.
Speaker 2: After the first half of Game one, people were like,
Speaker 2: what's the record for most turnovers? Because they did they
Speaker 2: have like twenty five turnovers at the half.
Speaker 3: It was something something.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they ended up with only like in the thirties,
Speaker 2: but still third thirty something turnovers in the finals game
Speaker 2: is usually a death warrant.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean yeah, to the point where like if
Speaker 4: it's an if it is an extended series, we're going
Speaker 4: to be googling maybe at the halftime of game three, Okay,
Speaker 4: what's the actual record for turnovers in a series?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh then I mean Game two, night and Day
Speaker 1: that I was like, man, that like the way the
Speaker 1: Pacers move, it's amazing. And then you just saw like
Speaker 1: the one brain defense of the thunder where it was
Speaker 1: just like without communicating, people just knew when they switched
Speaker 1: to and it was kind of it was pretty unbelievable
Speaker 1: to watch that. And that's that was sort of when
Speaker 1: my confidence started to really shit of it, and I'm like, oh, yes, see,
Speaker 1: when they defend like this, it doesn't matter how much
Speaker 1: movement you have off the ball, Like they're they're just
Speaker 1: gonna they've they've figured you out, and Caruso and Dort
Speaker 1: and just everybody absolutely just nightmares.
Speaker 4: This feels like a match This feels like a matchup
Speaker 4: where you know, obviously both teams are great, you know,
Speaker 4: like they've done whatever they needed to do in order
Speaker 4: to get here. But it feels like if OKAC plays
Speaker 4: its best, it is better significantly than the Pacers at
Speaker 4: their best, Like it can be competitive, but it like
Speaker 4: if if both teams come to if both you'll think
Speaker 4: your teams play their strengths. It still feels like, okay
Speaker 4: see is worthy of the of being the favorites as
Speaker 4: they have been.
Speaker 2: If the Pacers I can come back and one game one,
Speaker 2: I feel like the thing that I would have been
Speaker 2: left with the image of the game would have been
Speaker 2: loud Dort contesting that shot at the rim where he
Speaker 2: just like jumped straight up and like like yeah, like
Speaker 2: above the rim and just straight up and down. It
Speaker 2: was like one of the best contests that I've ever seen.
Speaker 2: I've never seen like that play be that cool looking,
Speaker 2: but he just like went straight up and down and
Speaker 2: then also was like high enough to be sitting on
Speaker 2: the rim. It was pretty cool. Uh yeah. I so
Speaker 2: the things that as people who picked the pacers in
Speaker 2: there for you know it have so much riding on this.
Speaker 2: All I care about is being right, as we all do.
Speaker 2: That's why we podcast is. I think Carlisle still like,
Speaker 2: you know, he's the only person I've seen beat a
Speaker 2: team that has this much more talent than him in
Speaker 2: the finals. In that case, he like did something to
Speaker 2: Lebron James's brain and Lebron was suddenly like just this
Speaker 2: like shrinking. Violet was like I don't want the ball,
Speaker 2: you take it. You take it, Dwayne, And that hurt
Speaker 2: me because I'm a huge Lebron stand at the time.
Speaker 2: But like it's just I feel like he figures things
Speaker 2: out and he like will have things figured out and
Speaker 2: be like okay, and then this game is when we
Speaker 2: like pull this part out. I still admire his chess
Speaker 2: move where he was like, well, you know, we didn't
Speaker 2: have a great offensive quarter because they had all their
Speaker 2: best defenders in in the Knick series when Brunson was
Speaker 2: out with foul trouble, so he was like seeding the
Speaker 2: idea that the Knicks are better with Brunson on the bench,
Speaker 2: which was just like a masters It's like such a
Speaker 2: an annoying move, but also like if you were pulling
Speaker 2: for the Knicks, you're like, uh I I, but yeah,
Speaker 2: a little bellichicking. And then the other thing would just
Speaker 2: be that we've seen okay see like kind of figure
Speaker 2: things out for a game, but then can like the
Speaker 2: Denver series was like a real back and forth between okay,
Speaker 2: see looking like they did in Game two, like really
Speaker 2: flowing on offense and defense, and then there would be
Speaker 2: a game where Denver would just like be able to
Speaker 2: figure something out and like push back. And then you
Speaker 2: know the other thing that I think is me faith
Speaker 2: that this could be a series is that Haliburton, who
Speaker 2: is the best player on the Pacers, hasn't had a
Speaker 2: good game. Yet he had a big he came up
Speaker 2: huge for them in the biggest moment in Game one,
Speaker 2: but he still hasn't played his best and we've seen
Speaker 2: him play absolutely incredible so far in these playoffs, So
Speaker 2: you got to think, like, if he's able to like
Speaker 2: that has always been a thing where I'm you know,
Speaker 2: I picked the pacers a lot, But I'm also like,
Speaker 2: if Haliburton doesn't turn into a punkin which he's known
Speaker 2: to do every once in a while, like he'll just
Speaker 2: have stretches where you're like, wait, why, you know, you
Speaker 2: start to understand why people thought he was overrated. So
Speaker 2: I think in this case it's okay, so he's defense,
Speaker 2: so it might not just be a thing where it's
Speaker 2: like I had a bad couple of nights, but yeah,
Speaker 2: he's a good enough player that maybe I'll be able
Speaker 2: to figure something out.
Speaker 4: Admittedly, when we got to the fourth quarter of Game
Speaker 4: two when he only had five points, I think it
Speaker 4: was like five points, five rebounds or whatnot, I was worried.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: Yes, credit to Okay sees defense, Credit to the the
Speaker 4: length and the different looks that they can throw at him,
Speaker 4: and and and everybody out there, but I was a
Speaker 4: little bit worried the fact that he, you know, he
Speaker 4: put up those twelve points in the fourth quarter, whether
Speaker 4: it's garbage time or not. I mean, we've seen this
Speaker 4: take place where a player has been struggling, you know,
Speaker 4: they they you know, they they put together a decent
Speaker 4: quarter and then suddenly, you know, you get you've got
Speaker 4: that player feeling good going home, uh you know for
Speaker 4: game three and maybe you know, maybe all of a
Speaker 4: sudden he does you'll, you'll come out and dominating ways
Speaker 4: that we've seen him do it. But you know, but
Speaker 4: to your point, I'm very much hoping it's not pumpkin time.
Speaker 4: I'm very much hoping we're not gonna get like a
Speaker 4: repeat of you know, one of your former favorite players. Uh,
Speaker 4: you know, like you know what he has done in
Speaker 4: the postseason, in the biggest moments, over and over. I'm
Speaker 4: willing to bet that even though big game Gym not
Speaker 4: big game James, but big game.
Speaker 2: Gym, oh big game Jim.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, even though look I'm standing by okay, see
Speaker 4: as my pick, I do think that Halliburton finds a
Speaker 4: way to turn it around, and at least, you know,
Speaker 4: the the Pacers at least they can get something going
Speaker 4: at home.
Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, yeah, they've been better at home. Okay,
Speaker 2: so there's been worse on the road.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: So you know, they're a young team, and I don't
Speaker 2: know if they're ready for the energy that you feel
Speaker 2: in Indianapolis. First of all, I don't know if they're
Speaker 2: ready for that nightlife, you know, you know what I'm yeah,
Speaker 2: they get some young guys there. They see get to
Speaker 2: the big city, the head, their tongues rolling out of
Speaker 2: their mouth.
Speaker 1: All right, well, you know what, why don't we take
Speaker 1: a quick break so I can just just down this sweat.
Speaker 3: And we'll be right back after this and we're back.
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: I'm a little worried about Oklahoma's defense might be something
Speaker 1: Halliburton can't overcome.
Speaker 2: Calling them Oklahoma is funny to me.
Speaker 1: I like to just call him Oklahoma Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like there's I'm gonna call him city.
Speaker 1: I don't think his defenses is too intense for the pace, No,
Speaker 1: but like there are just so many moments where like
Speaker 1: whether it's Halliburton being streaky or they're inspiring the streakiness
Speaker 1: to come out, I don't know which one it is,
Speaker 1: And that's what's concerning is because again it's just the
Speaker 1: randomness of it all or whether they have known. Let's
Speaker 1: choke off all his options, Let's really make him play
Speaker 1: and just see what he can come up with, because
Speaker 1: there were times when like he was getting so frazzled,
Speaker 1: like just like forgetting to dribble the ball in possession,
Speaker 1: or like just that one backcourt violation. Just felt like
Speaker 1: these little things that he wasn't really had all the
Speaker 1: awareness he really needed to be fully dialed in. And
Speaker 1: that's that was a bit of a concern for me,
Speaker 1: who fantasized about putting a bet down on the pacers.
Speaker 1: In my mind, I'm doing more of a spiritual bet
Speaker 1: where I will watch with the intensity.
Speaker 2: As if I had as if he were taking the bed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is which is actually just as good.
Speaker 2: You know. They a lot of people said I could
Speaker 2: have made it to the league if I hadn't just
Speaker 2: I had a problem with forgetting to dribble just frequently
Speaker 2: pick the ball up and run it down the court.
Speaker 2: Did I ever tell you about the time I was
Speaker 2: playing pick up hoops and I checked the ball to
Speaker 2: the guy at the top of the of the key
Speaker 2: and then he just started running back and forth with
Speaker 2: the ball and I was like, that's a travel man,
Speaker 2: and I just like took the ball from and he
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, you guys are playing real roles.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, well wait, I don't even know.
Speaker 2: I didn't know this was a fancy pickup game.
Speaker 3: Were you eleven?
Speaker 4: He's straight from the yard?
Speaker 2: No, No, this was in college.
Speaker 4: Yeah from the yard?
Speaker 2: Who says that?
Speaker 3: Yeah? But even who's Oh, we're so we're playing that?
Speaker 3: Like it's basically, oh, we're.
Speaker 2: Playing real basketball.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, what did you think we were doing? Oh,
Speaker 3: like rugby, throw around, hoopball or something.
Speaker 2: I think maybe play to like you know, how you
Speaker 2: can run on the baseline sometimes you don't have to drive,
Speaker 2: like I think he was thinking you could do that
Speaker 2: when you checked it up. I'm giving him, like giving
Speaker 2: him a lot of you are, like, he's put a
Speaker 2: lot of thought into the rule book. Probably this is
Speaker 2: like an out of bounds play off of a made basket,
Speaker 2: right not I don't even know which one it is.
Speaker 2: That you can run made basket, but off a time
Speaker 2: out you can't run, right? Yes, all right?
Speaker 1: Anyways, that was the interesting we did find out Tyrese
Speaker 1: Haliburton was dealing with lower leg discomfort. That might be something,
Speaker 1: but not not worried about game three availabilities.
Speaker 3: So that I don't know if that that.
Speaker 2: Had lower leg discomfort, but anybody's ever played a game
Speaker 2: in the finals without dealing with lower lewers. Yeah, not
Speaker 2: to say I mean I'm tougher than that that I
Speaker 2: would let that affect me. But like you know, maybe
Speaker 2: he's not as tough as me. And that's the thing,
Speaker 2: Like had I always remember to dribble. They say I'm
Speaker 2: built different, and I would have made it to the
Speaker 2: leak people say, and a lot of people are saying
Speaker 2: and it's not me, it's just other people. We should
Speaker 2: talk about the fun dah our boy Chet my favorite bibliophile,
Speaker 2: my main man with the best recommendations in the gameberg
Speaker 2: I mean people, yeah, yeah, check get Chet went on
Speaker 2: is uh you know things I can't a little bitout
Speaker 2: and gave his book recommendations talking to talking about uh.
Speaker 1: He was just very transparent. He's like, look, dude, I
Speaker 1: dropped out of college. A lot of words hurt my brains.
Speaker 1: I like picture books, man, and these these are what
Speaker 1: I like to call coffee table books.
Speaker 2: What I like to call coffee table books on some
Speaker 2: trump stuff with like this is something the phrase I
Speaker 2: made up instead of that that's the phrase. And then
Speaker 2: when he showed one, and then was like, and I've
Speaker 2: got all sorts of different varieties of these is that
Speaker 2: what variety?
Speaker 3: Variety?
Speaker 2: Rather than saying I've got multiple books, I've got different
Speaker 2: varieties of books. Anyways, that uh endearing will go with
Speaker 2: from Chet and he had a better second game. It
Speaker 2: was almost like they were scared to use him or
Speaker 2: like they just felt like there was something off with
Speaker 2: him in game one because they didn't play him much.
Speaker 2: And he's many people say like second best player on
Speaker 2: the team, third best player on the team, and really
Speaker 2: good defender.
Speaker 4: So I have a thought about that. And look, okay,
Speaker 4: see fans are gonna be man no matter what you
Speaker 4: say about their team. Look again, I picked you guys.
Speaker 4: I think Chet's gonna be great. But I will say this,
Speaker 4: there are times where because I noticed it in both games,
Speaker 4: there are times where his energy is not great. Uh
Speaker 4: you know, like if the if the if it's coming
Speaker 4: to him, you know it's fine, but if it takes
Speaker 4: that extra effort. I like, if he hasn't gotten off
Speaker 4: to a good start. I have seen him kind of
Speaker 4: slump his shoulders a bit, so I know part of
Speaker 4: me did wonder if that had to I'm just being honest.
Speaker 2: That's just what his shoulders look like.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: That just.
Speaker 2: It's his body only speaks one.
Speaker 4: Language, all right, No, but no, I I do think
Speaker 4: when he's giving, you know, max effort, he'd obviously se
Speaker 4: you know, sees the floor more. But it was good
Speaker 4: to see him get it going. And you know, in
Speaker 4: the first quarter of game to the same thing with
Speaker 4: Jaalen Williams. And I think in the second quarter of game.
Speaker 2: Too, Caruso with twenty off the bench. You got Cruso
Speaker 2: going twenty off the bench here. That's gonna be a
Speaker 2: tough one to win because he's taken so many points
Speaker 2: off the board at the other end, and then if
Speaker 2: he's like additive on the offensive ends. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know, man, it's just as it's not. Look, I
Speaker 2: didn't say it was going to be an easy win
Speaker 2: for the Pacers.
Speaker 3: TJ.
Speaker 2: McConnell, by the way, just I respect this man. My
Speaker 2: dad used to coach him.
Speaker 5: I always would just look out there and marvel that
Speaker 5: this man was out there in an NBA game and
Speaker 5: he has done nothing but get better. And like now
Speaker 5: he's contributing in a finals game and he's like a
Speaker 5: wet Like he's not somebody you have to hide.
Speaker 2: Like he's out there. He's I mean, you kind of
Speaker 2: have to him on defense, but like he's doing things
Speaker 2: for you, like he's playing and everyone's like TJ McConnell's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: like you you wrote in this that he's like playing
Speaker 2: the berea role in the if we're going back to
Speaker 2: the Dallas upset of the Heatles. But yeah, he's he's
Speaker 2: something man doing a lot with a little.
Speaker 4: Aged Shout out to all the former Wildcats in this series.
Speaker 2: Shout out to his sister. Did you see that picture
Speaker 2: going around? I just got drafted?
Speaker 4: Oh okay, yeah, I didn't know where that was going.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, and then goes down two days
Speaker 1: after joining Mercury.
Speaker 2: Oh did she Oh yeah? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, right, knee injury in her first game.
Speaker 1: That sucks, but it's fine, just three to four weeks
Speaker 1: so it's not like a terrible thing. But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's not a good first memory you want to have.
Speaker 4: With her game.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, point guard, point guard.
Speaker 4: I was not familiar with her game. Okay, all right,
Speaker 4: t J?
Speaker 2: All right, TJ, way to go on that one.
Speaker 4: Good on your lad.
Speaker 2: Not his wife, his sister, but good on you.
Speaker 4: Good jeans? All right?
Speaker 2: Did he go, TJ? But go TJ's parents. All right?
Speaker 2: Anything else we want to talk about? The draft is
Speaker 2: coming up. We've only got a few episodes left. YEA.
Speaker 2: Does seem like people are moving away from the seventy
Speaker 2: six ers picking the second best Rutgers guy, which I
Speaker 2: was happy to see. I think the ringer just had
Speaker 2: them picking the dude from Texas.
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, is there someone you would
Speaker 4: actually actively prefer?
Speaker 2: I think the guy from Texas sounds good, But I
Speaker 2: don't know who you guys like and are you Are
Speaker 2: you doing any draft research?
Speaker 4: I haven't yet, but I was gonna say, you know,
Speaker 4: to each of those guys credit, at least they weren't
Speaker 4: matched up with somebody else that's also in the top five.
Speaker 4: And you know their college team.
Speaker 2: Wasn't good, so and their college team was bad. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: As a Laker fan, I just look at these as
Speaker 1: little trading tokens that we use.
Speaker 4: That that's the saddest part, because no, Jack, that really
Speaker 4: is how we look at the draft.
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe that's how the rest of the
Speaker 2: league looks at our teams. I just think of the
Speaker 2: Sixers as a farm team for the Lakers, and like
Speaker 2: I had some hope at one point that you know,
Speaker 2: our best player, Joel Embiid might one day, you know,
Speaker 2: graduate to the big show aka being on the Lakers.
Speaker 2: But it doesn't look like he's gonna make it there.
Speaker 1: Well, it's not for everybody. The Lakers aren't for everybody.
Speaker 3: It's a lot of pressure, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: A lot of pressure, a lot of real hard pressure,
Speaker 1: that's for sure. The one thing is they say Kevin Durant,
Speaker 1: that trade seems to be about that it's bubbling and
Speaker 1: then maybe the Knicks might pursue him, which would be
Speaker 1: something that would.
Speaker 2: Be interesting, suns. Is that the idea, what's the one
Speaker 2: you're hearing?
Speaker 4: I heard today was between like Houston, San Antonio and
Speaker 4: who's the thirteen.
Speaker 2: Wind Horse Windy the wind Man, the Horseman of the
Speaker 2: Apocalypse believes Kevin Durant will be traded in coming weeks
Speaker 2: amid Nick's rumors. That's exciting, like I'd like to see
Speaker 2: him on I think I heard one trade that was
Speaker 2: like him for Cat because Hat and uh Booker homies
Speaker 2: and former Wildcats Durant would be fun. But like, does
Speaker 2: that improve the Knicks that much? I think I think
Speaker 2: it's maybe good for them long term because I think
Speaker 2: Durant has less on his contract right in the future.
Speaker 4: What it also does is like in a series, you're
Speaker 4: not overly reliant upon a six foot guard like and
Speaker 4: this is taking nothing away from Jalen Brentsword because he
Speaker 4: was absolutely spectacular, but being able to have both of
Speaker 4: them in the in those scenarios, I feel I'd feel
Speaker 4: better about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Joannis also looks like he's ending the speculation.
Speaker 2: Huh what did he say?
Speaker 1: He wants to return with the Bucks.
Speaker 2: He's going to return with the Bucks. There are we'll
Speaker 2: see the Milwaukee Bucks me I think Milwaukee geez.
Speaker 3: No, actually the knuck if you Bucks.
Speaker 1: I believe he's going to Apparently there's no they're saying
Speaker 1: there isn't much of a market for Yannis right now,
Speaker 1: with him not telling Milwaukee he wants to leave in
Speaker 1: them not actively pursuing anything, and then there's a year
Speaker 1: Hoops article that's saying that, yeah, he wants to go
Speaker 1: back to the finals with the Bucks. So he said
Speaker 1: that finals are different. I hope to be back soon
Speaker 1: with the Bucks.
Speaker 2: Oh that's cool, man.
Speaker 1: But again, these are words being spoken now. Terms and
Speaker 1: conditions obviously I think apply. But I think for right now,
Speaker 1: he's doing the thing. I mean, everything that the rumors
Speaker 1: are saying. It doesn't seem like a lot's happening. But
Speaker 1: I feel like, obviously that all that can change based
Speaker 1: on anything.
Speaker 5: That's cool that he wants to go back to the
Speaker 5: finals with the Bucks. I want to go to the
Speaker 5: finals with the seventy six ers and like play point guard.
Speaker 5: So yeah, that's cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope it happens for him, and I hope
Speaker 2: it happens for me. Should we take a break, Let's
Speaker 2: take a break. Let's take a break. We'll be back
Speaker 2: for the rapid fire round of questioning. Jabbari posted on
Speaker 2: your own Petard.
Speaker 3: All right, John Luc Pitard, and we're back, Javari.
Speaker 4: Yes, I.
Speaker 1: Love and I hate that this has to happen, but
Speaker 1: you are now in the hot seat. This is the
Speaker 1: fasting question answer for Rabers question.
Speaker 2: All in sports, My best.
Speaker 3: He said that, Yeah, I just took the micro machines
Speaker 3: got jobs. That's how quick I said that. Now, you
Speaker 3: know we do we don't ask a questions really quickly.
Speaker 3: Don't even think about this back quickly.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Is doing an event? You know what I mean? Okay,
Speaker 3: are you ready? Do you accept the terms and conditions?
Speaker 4: I do accept?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he accepted the terms and conditions. He's
Speaker 2: going to beat them fourteen pages. I know, guess one
Speaker 2: tricket financial products that you've just agreed to go in
Speaker 2: on with my hole today.
Speaker 1: Now, Jabari, bring me that spleen that you just gave me.
Speaker 3: The urns are not favorable, Jack, do you.
Speaker 2: Want to go first? I'll go first, Miles if that's
Speaker 2: okay with you.
Speaker 1: It's not okay with me, but I'd like to be polite,
Speaker 1: so you go ahead.
Speaker 2: Okay, see this player or that player, Jabari, this is
Speaker 2: a little thing that you invented. Now I'm going to
Speaker 2: use it to you. You gave me just enough rope
Speaker 2: to hang you with man, all right, you next.
Speaker 1: Up the interesting line to come from a white guy's interesting?
Speaker 3: How much?
Speaker 4: And you just how much rope did you need?
Speaker 2: Just the right amount.
Speaker 3: There's some strange fruit on these trees, don't.
Speaker 2: Jabari. You said this player that player. Let's ask the
Speaker 2: ultimate this player that player. It's the final ish episode,
Speaker 2: it's the finals. Michael Jordan's in today's game, poor Lebron
Speaker 2: James in the nineties peak both Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Okay, so you can't go wrong. You cannot go wrong
Speaker 4: with either. And while yes, I would always love to
Speaker 4: see Lebron play against some of those guys, give me
Speaker 4: Michael Jordan no matter what, right now, because for one,
Speaker 4: I want him in today's game, but I also want
Speaker 4: him in today's world with social with Yes, I want
Speaker 4: peak Michael Jordan with social media, a camera that megalone everywhere,
Speaker 4: and yes, please give me that.
Speaker 2: If he is entering the league now, is he signing
Speaker 2: with the Paul Brothers? Like what you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Like? What is he?
Speaker 2: What is he an influencer? Like what does that look like?
Speaker 2: Like he's just.
Speaker 1: I no one, man, Let me see I do like streaming,
Speaker 1: like I r L streaming.
Speaker 2: Maybe yeah, probably he would be because as we saw
Speaker 2: in the Last Dance, he's a real like music fan, right,
Speaker 2: he'd be like somebody who like was a DJ on
Speaker 2: the side or something like that.
Speaker 4: You know, he'd be like I mean the gn X concert.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Or I could also just see him like being like
Speaker 1: reallyto like Mary J. Blige and like kind of old
Speaker 1: like nineties like for his age, like man's always listened
Speaker 1: to like washed R and B Man.
Speaker 2: Is this what? Yeah? I think that would be the
Speaker 2: most interesting because like I feel like Lebron would just
Speaker 2: be a better magic slash, Like it'd be like Malone,
Speaker 2: Like magic in Malone's body is like kind of what
Speaker 2: and we kind of we saw what those guys look
Speaker 2: like in the nineties, Like Jordan today, I just don't
Speaker 2: I have no idea how his game develops, you know,
Speaker 2: like because he would probably be shooting ten threes a
Speaker 2: game and he'd probably be making a lot of them.
Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah Jordan at from Deep Shooting game.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just a complete stopper like every So that that
Speaker 2: would be the most that would be the most interesting.
Speaker 2: I don't know, like I could see it going either way.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for him to have today's slang available
Speaker 1: to him.
Speaker 4: Is it Is it fair? Is it fair to say
Speaker 4: like it would could potentially be something like what we're
Speaker 4: seeing from.
Speaker 2: Aunt maybe yeah, I mean ten three is a game with.
Speaker 4: That athleticism, not quite as seemingly physically imposing.
Speaker 2: But right, there's some things that he would do when
Speaker 2: he got like he used to be like, Ant's good
Speaker 2: going to the basket, Like he kind of needs a
Speaker 2: lane and let like MJ was just like so creative
Speaker 2: when he got in there, and like would always run away.
Speaker 4: Yep.
Speaker 2: So I feel like it'd be better than what we're
Speaker 2: seeing from Ant personally.
Speaker 1: Jab next question, uh, oh Shack. He recently said quote,
Speaker 1: I would definitely love to play in this era. I
Speaker 1: would still bring the football pain and I would be different.
Speaker 1: I'd be watching these podcasts. Oh Shack couldn't play in
Speaker 1: this era. He couldn't guard the three. It would be simple.
Speaker 1: As soon as Joker shoots the three, I'm gonna run
Speaker 1: right past and I'm gonna post up in the lane
Speaker 1: for one hundred seconds. So if you hit the three, good,
Speaker 1: But I know by the time we get the ball
Speaker 1: and throw it down, I'm definitely going to.
Speaker 2: Hit the two.
Speaker 1: I'm going to make more twos than you hit threes,
Speaker 1: So I will probably only shoot a three like if
Speaker 1: we got up, but I would not go away from
Speaker 1: my strength. My strength is power and hype. So I'm
Speaker 1: going to take the high percentage shots. What team benefits
Speaker 1: the most. Who's an instant winner by signing prime Shaquille O'Neal.
Speaker 4: The Los Angeles Lakers, thank you well, ye questions, we're
Speaker 4: doug here by the way, I love Shaq, I one
Speaker 4: love Shack. And while I wish, I wish we could
Speaker 4: see Jordan, I don't know that Shaq really would want
Speaker 4: to play in today's world with all of the scrutiny,
Speaker 4: with all of the eyes and I mean no disrespect
Speaker 4: of certain people. I don't see I don't see that
Speaker 4: as a great fit. I don't necessarily think he would
Speaker 4: love it.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 3: I think we just if we purely focus on just
Speaker 3: the basketball of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I give it, Give me that every day of
Speaker 4: the week.
Speaker 1: Because he is truly one of those few players you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: like in any era, because people talk all the time,
Speaker 1: they're like, bro, they they can't hand No one could
Speaker 1: handle Shack right now, nobody, nobody.
Speaker 4: That's why it was funny. And you know what, the
Speaker 4: cute little Twitter decisions or excuse me discussions, they're fun
Speaker 4: at times. But there was just at one point, there
Speaker 4: was an actual debate whether like Draymond or any of
Speaker 4: the undersized centers from today would be able to match
Speaker 4: up physically, you know with Check and so, yeah, you
Speaker 4: didn't watch it.
Speaker 2: I mean like Raymond, yes, like that's that.
Speaker 4: That was a conversation. That was a social media conversation.
Speaker 2: Because he had six fouls. You put them in the
Speaker 2: line six times, but then you're you're also out of
Speaker 2: the game. I do think Check would be able to
Speaker 2: body up with him, though, I think that that would
Speaker 2: be like that they would have to make that illegal.
Speaker 2: They would have to make it illegal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess who would be the closest, like,
Speaker 1: because obviously Shaky said Rick Smith's is the one person
Speaker 1: that gave me the most problems.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's a lot of Rick Smith's out there.
Speaker 1: I'm like, who are the Rick Smiths of today?
Speaker 4: I feel like it's you know, it's the person I
Speaker 4: would give him trouble is the guy he mentioned and
Speaker 4: he specifically mentioned it because of insecurity. The Joker versus
Speaker 4: Shack would be match. It would be I would watch
Speaker 4: that eighty two games a year if I could.
Speaker 1: What about Steven Adams, He just maybe from a brute maybe,
Speaker 1: like from a brute side of it, everything else might
Speaker 1: just be like he can he's not afraid of a
Speaker 1: physical physical contact, but every other skill set he's I.
Speaker 4: Think right there is where it is.
Speaker 3: He's not afraid of it, but you know, but he
Speaker 3: should slow him down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, put another Steven Adams on the barbie.
Speaker 2: I do feel like his analysis of how he'd win
Speaker 2: by giving Joker open threes and then making two's is
Speaker 2: like a little bit like his analysis of how you
Speaker 2: keep from having to pay too much for gas. Yeah,
Speaker 2: is you only let it get down to a quarter
Speaker 2: a three quarters tank and then you fill it back
Speaker 2: up stage four boom, so you never have to pay
Speaker 2: that much twenty dollars Earnie.
Speaker 3: But I guess, yeah, how much would the game change
Speaker 3: with Shack in it?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like with the league if
Speaker 3: he was there and we had a Shack type player?
Speaker 1: Now with that, are we now entering a different cod
Speaker 1: Like does the emphasis become different with a player like
Speaker 1: Shack rather than like the space and pace kind.
Speaker 4: Of a I think we're already in a situation where
Speaker 4: the league is getting we're getting varied styles again, But
Speaker 4: we would really have to get varied styles because you
Speaker 4: simply couldn't game plan against him the way that you
Speaker 4: did against most of the league.
Speaker 1: Right right, Jack, You got another question? Or should I
Speaker 1: hit him with the final question? Hit him with the
Speaker 1: final the close final question? Jack Er Miles, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: bring it back.
Speaker 4: Wow you know.
Speaker 2: Guys, Nope, I know what you're about to say.
Speaker 3: Now you're gonna shoot me?
Speaker 4: Man, I could not possibly. It's like asking me to
Speaker 4: pick my from between my children, which I do not
Speaker 4: have any for some reason, comparing you guys to children.
Speaker 2: But you great, this should be easy.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go ahead, but I'll say this, man, why
Speaker 4: wait for the last show. This has been such an
Speaker 4: incredible run. I really I trow. I so much appreciate
Speaker 4: working with the two of you, as well as Brian.
Speaker 4: You're the plus one Brian. No, I so much appreciate
Speaker 4: working with the three of you for these episodes that
Speaker 4: uh you know it is. It has opened doors for
Speaker 4: me in ways that I can't explain, and it has
Speaker 4: been a hell of a ride. So thank you, guys.
Speaker 3: I choose both.
Speaker 2: I choose you.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: I don't know what a little bit I didn't hear
Speaker 3: Jack or Miles.
Speaker 5: My brain just turned off. Now I can tell by
Speaker 5: the tone that you weren't going to pick either of us. Yes,
Speaker 5: so I checked out her wish.
Speaker 2: I'm sure, I wish.
Speaker 3: I wish you luck out there.
Speaker 4: Man Man, I'll be all right.
Speaker 2: No, but the feeling is we do the last episode
Speaker 2: without Jabari and the show is just a complete disaster.
Speaker 2: We don't even know who. The finals so bad.
Speaker 4: They're like no, no, no, what hey are we sure?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Man?
Speaker 1: Well, Jabbari Davis, thank you so much for being a
Speaker 1: seminal part of Miles Man. Boosty is an originator, the foundation.
Speaker 3: Of the show. When we were like, we're like, what
Speaker 3: do we want to work with, We're like.
Speaker 1: Jabbari Jabari, no question. Simple, It's that simple. It was
Speaker 1: not even it was a no brainer like Shock coming
Speaker 1: back in the league for us Man. So honestly, you
Speaker 1: d us.
Speaker 2: It's more of a no brainer than Shack coming back
Speaker 2: in the league. I actually didn't believe what both of
Speaker 2: you were saying about Shack coming back in the league.
Speaker 2: I think you would be defensive liability. Bum City.
Speaker 3: Hey, it's a double laded sword.
Speaker 4: It's a double A big and strong cat okay, uh
Speaker 4: j right, where.
Speaker 3: Do the people find you?
Speaker 4: Follow you and all that on Twitter and Blue Sky.
Speaker 3: IM you can find me at Miles of Gray everywhere.
Speaker 2: I'm at Jack Underscore Brian on Twitter and Jack ob
Speaker 2: the number one on be Sky. And if you're if
Speaker 2: you follow the discord for boosties, you should just go
Speaker 2: to the Daily Discord and we'll be u We'll be
Speaker 2: over there.
Speaker 4: And to that point, shout out and thank you very
Speaker 4: much to Paul Garaventa all of the folks in the discord.
Speaker 5: Yeah, hold it down.
Speaker 4: You kept the conversation going and you took care of things.
Speaker 5: Legend d Discord master class by gav.
Speaker 2: With that City Funda's.
Speaker 3: City City Funda.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Paul gravent A, big cheers to you by
Speaker 1: I one absolutely uh uh and all and all the
Speaker 1: listeners to We will be back and the love fest
Speaker 1: will continue because it's not the last episode. But we're
Speaker 1: almost there.
Speaker 2: But bye, almost there, bye.
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