Speaker 1: The Around the NFL Podcast would never get benched for
Speaker 1: cold McCoy. Welcome back to another edition of the Around
Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansis, and I
Speaker 1: am joined by a room just filled with hero heroes
Speaker 1: teaming with heroes Mark Sesler, Chris Westling and Greg Rows
Speaker 1: the dog. What U boys? Hi? Diane? Hey there, that's
Speaker 1: your imitation of our invitations? Hey dame, Hi Diane west
Speaker 1: back from his marathon tape study and his off day.
Speaker 1: How how did it go? By the way, was Uh,
Speaker 1: lots of afternoon sleeping mixed with film study, but then
Speaker 1: I couldn't sleep all night. The Bear still win. The
Speaker 1: Bears one and Jake Cutler had one drive the entire game.
Speaker 1: What was the biggest takeaway from your film watching? If
Speaker 1: we might just take a peek behind the curtain, My
Speaker 1: biggest takeaway was the Broncos concentrating on establishing the run
Speaker 1: with two undrafted backs, which tells us a lot about
Speaker 1: where the NFL is now with running backs. It also
Speaker 1: tells us that they wanted to keep the opposing defenses
Speaker 1: honest because they were blitzing so much the previous couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. That is why they call him the scientists.
Speaker 1: That's why he's also known as the Mailman. He's so knowledgeable.
Speaker 1: He has two nicknames. Big Show Today, this is our
Speaker 1: Wednesday show, a special show pre Thanksgiving. The schedule got
Speaker 1: bumped up a little bit because of the holiday. So
Speaker 1: for those of us in America, great country, this is
Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving, and to all the listeners abroad, Happy Thursday.
Speaker 1: Happy You can celebrate Thanksgiving if you want in any country,
Speaker 1: you guys could think just get some turkey or the
Speaker 1: concept to some, especially in the United Kingdom, is not
Speaker 1: a totally welcome concept, I would imagine. But why would
Speaker 1: they have a problem with us discovering the land. Well, hey,
Speaker 1: we didn't discover it. Let's get down to business. But
Speaker 1: be like, it's like we completely disjoined from your country.
Speaker 1: Do you think England is still bitter about every single
Speaker 1: country that used to have deming, Not at all. But
Speaker 1: it's they're not probably saying, you know, this is the
Speaker 1: day that we really want to get down and enjoy
Speaker 1: the consequence. It's just an excuse to eat and drink. Basically,
Speaker 1: by the way, I know where Mark Sessler stands on
Speaker 1: the Washington football team's nickname. I just want to say,
Speaker 1: I have no opinions about anything. I think Mark, who
Speaker 1: lived for a long time in the UK, maybe you
Speaker 1: still harbor some resentment was free so I don't know
Speaker 1: where their head was at. Politically. I thought that was
Speaker 1: just an eight shot at Mark. I thought you were
Speaker 1: just saying Mark is limp for a long time. Uh So,
Speaker 1: great show today, great show West. Great to have you back.
Speaker 1: Wasn't the same without you? To Greg, we felt the
Speaker 1: same way on Sunday without you. Mark and I the
Speaker 1: cal Ripkens of the room. Just keep it, you know,
Speaker 1: we stay here, we keep after day. Um so here
Speaker 1: we are. We are going to go through all the
Speaker 1: games on Sunday today, and uh well, go go through
Speaker 1: all those games on Sunday, the Monday night game, the
Speaker 1: Jets back in prime time on Monday. I know America
Speaker 1: is ready for that as I am. It's great games
Speaker 1: to get to. But there is a marquee game. I
Speaker 1: this kind of the game that we're about to get
Speaker 1: into here, and this is of course the New England
Speaker 1: Patriots and the Green Bay Packers. To me, this conjures
Speaker 1: up memories. While it's not totally clean, and it's a
Speaker 1: little apples and oranges, but the old Niners Cowboys matchups
Speaker 1: in the early nineties where you look forward to it
Speaker 1: like it was a playoff game even though it's the
Speaker 1: regular season. Here are the two best teams in football
Speaker 1: right now squaring off at Lambeau. So why don't we
Speaker 1: start right there and get right into we'll talk about
Speaker 1: that game. This is a game where the Packers are
Speaker 1: just killing everybody right now. What is the The Patriots
Speaker 1: have won seven straight games, They're they're doubling everyone and
Speaker 1: scoring over that time average average margin of victory for
Speaker 1: twenty over the past seven weeks. The Packers are nearly
Speaker 1: unstoppable or unstoppable at Lambeau. It feels like right now,
Speaker 1: so now here you go unstoppable force, immovable object. Who wins? Guys?
Speaker 1: I think we all picked Green Bay outside of right,
Speaker 1: So why don't Intriots? Yeah, well, I don't need to
Speaker 1: defend it. Well, first of all, it's a better Patriots defense,
Speaker 1: and we think I think the winning team here is
Speaker 1: the defense that truly is better than they were early
Speaker 1: in the season. The Packers have gotten a lot better.
Speaker 1: The Patriots have too. I mean they have the best
Speaker 1: secondary they've had a long time. Chandler Jones returned for
Speaker 1: a limited practice here. People kind of forgot that their
Speaker 1: best pass rusher hasn't been around for this entire great stretch,
Speaker 1: And it comes down to Belichick whether he can cook
Speaker 1: up a scheme on defense to slow down Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: like he did for Luck in Peyton Manning. So I
Speaker 1: looked just as quickly at their offense where it's they're
Speaker 1: almost like a college team in the way where they
Speaker 1: just go in they take away the best part of
Speaker 1: the opposing defense and game plan week to week. We
Speaker 1: don't see the same offense from New England from week
Speaker 1: ten to week till eleven week twelve, but they'll still
Speaker 1: change it up and put different players in there. I
Speaker 1: can't wait to see how they attack Green Bay's defense.
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodger's the toughest quarterback in the league to prepare for, though,
Speaker 1: because he's got the pre snap look and the smart
Speaker 1: of Tom Brady, but he has the athletic bis um
Speaker 1: of Andrew lock and Russell Wilson, So it's like you
Speaker 1: can come up with a great plan. He's the best
Speaker 1: at the league at winning late after you've already come
Speaker 1: up with a good defense to stop him, and then
Speaker 1: he just creates craziness. Yeah, let's see how Let's see
Speaker 1: if the Patriots can stay in here till halftime, because
Speaker 1: no one else is I mean, thirty to three, thirty
Speaker 1: eight to three, forty two to nothing, and forty five
Speaker 1: to nothing I believe have been the halftime scores in
Speaker 1: Lambeau the past four games. Right, But who who are
Speaker 1: those against? I mean Minnesota, Tomato, Carolina, Chicago and Philly
Speaker 1: which was a legitimately great win. The Patriots are going
Speaker 1: through the best stretch that they've gone through in more
Speaker 1: than a decade. I think this is the best Patriots
Speaker 1: team since two thousand and four, uh, two thousand seven
Speaker 1: obviously as well. I forgot about that for a second.
Speaker 1: But but if you think of the stretch that they're on,
Speaker 1: I mean, even in two thousand seven, they never had
Speaker 1: a stretch where they beat four straight division leaders or
Speaker 1: co leaders by an average of forty to eighteen by
Speaker 1: more than twenty point. And you really can't have a
Speaker 1: more impressive month than they've had over the last month.
Speaker 1: People are gonna get very um hung up, and rightfully
Speaker 1: so on the quarterback matchup between two future Hall of famers.
Speaker 1: Very interesting to see what goes on in the backfield here?
Speaker 1: Eddie Lacy, by the way, he started off very poorly
Speaker 1: this season, has turned into a monster in recent weeks,
Speaker 1: both as a receiver and running the football, and he's
Speaker 1: up to out of nowhere. I think he has nine
Speaker 1: or ten touchdowns. Now, this is something a guy who
Speaker 1: did nothing for September, all of a sudden has some
Speaker 1: really nice numbers. And the other side of the ball.
Speaker 1: I find the Patriots intriguing because who's going to be
Speaker 1: the guy back there? Jonas Gray two yards, four touchdowns
Speaker 1: two weeks ago, then he gets benched after over sleeping
Speaker 1: and Lagart Blunt comes in and Rusha's for two touchdowns
Speaker 1: and look looks good doing it. Who do we see
Speaker 1: being the main guy in that backfield or is there
Speaker 1: not a main guy there? Well? I think the Patriots
Speaker 1: approach every game planning their backfield too. It totally depends
Speaker 1: on the opposing defense and the matchups. In this game,
Speaker 1: the pay the Packers run defense has been better, but
Speaker 1: for a while they're the worst run defense in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I would imagine they planned to do some running. I
Speaker 1: think it's also something where you change it up quarter back,
Speaker 1: quarter and the Patriots and the Packers are very good
Speaker 1: at that. That That were a little mix in the Uptomp
Speaker 1: film the second quarter because Dom Caper's is kind of
Speaker 1: one of those game planned defensive coordinators where he's gonna
Speaker 1: cook up some things and you never really want him
Speaker 1: to key on it. And it's a good matchup kind
Speaker 1: of the coaches between McDaniels and Capers, who I think
Speaker 1: we talked about the Patriots secondary. Patriots aren't allowing anybody
Speaker 1: to run the ball the last few weeks either. Ever
Speaker 1: since the Denver game, they've shut down running games. It
Speaker 1: does bode well that against Detroit, Golden Tate has been
Speaker 1: amazing him and Megatron. I thought that was a chance
Speaker 1: for New England's defense to get hit up a little
Speaker 1: bit there, and they shut that team down. So I
Speaker 1: think Ron Mayo, you miss him as a Patriots fan,
Speaker 1: that he's not there, but Donte Hightower has been playing
Speaker 1: at a higher level than I think Jared Mayo's played
Speaker 1: for the last as a Patriots fan, do you feel
Speaker 1: like are we correct in what we've been saying all
Speaker 1: season that you simply just glide from one beautiful mountain
Speaker 1: top to the next. Well, it is what you do.
Speaker 1: It's Patriots. It's nice to have a game like this
Speaker 1: where you would hate to see them get blown out,
Speaker 1: but it's kind of like you could accept that loss,
Speaker 1: that it's just a great football. I don't even like
Speaker 1: this narrative, because, if anything, it's the other way around.
Speaker 1: Are blowing everybody out. I don't care where they're going.
Speaker 1: Why are we not assuming that they might? Why didn't
Speaker 1: you just saying we're not always right as the standings
Speaker 1: clearly indicate like that, we should not overlook that the
Speaker 1: Patriots could lay a whooping on the Packers because they're
Speaker 1: killing everybody right now. I am. I am loving the
Speaker 1: fact that I have a potential hero pick for a
Speaker 1: team that it just had the best month in about
Speaker 1: seven or eight years of any team. That's what we're saying,
Speaker 1: one ease after the next, all it's all soft Land.
Speaker 1: You can, I mean, you can come over there. We
Speaker 1: got a couple of years left to Brady and Belichick
Speaker 1: maybe too. I'm not just a couple won't last forever.
Speaker 1: Let's move on to our second game we're really excited about,
Speaker 1: and it is the Denver Broncos, the defending a f
Speaker 1: C champion and head to Kansas City. The Broncos of course,
Speaker 1: coming off that comeback win over the Dolphins, and now
Speaker 1: the Chiefs get the Broncos at home. This is a
Speaker 1: huge game for both teams. Really. Denver comes in at
Speaker 1: eight and three, Kansas City at seven and four, So
Speaker 1: first places at stake in this game. Uh, start with you, Greg,
Speaker 1: what are you looking for in this game? Well, if
Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs can come up with a better
Speaker 1: way to get to Peyton Manning than than Miami did,
Speaker 1: because after two games where Peyton Manning and that offensive
Speaker 1: line looked very ordinary, they got the ball out of
Speaker 1: his hands so quickly. They played almost a perfect game
Speaker 1: against a really good defense. Now they go to a
Speaker 1: hostile environment. I think Kansas City's defense is good enough
Speaker 1: to give them problems and that this will be a
Speaker 1: tough game. Well, as we mentioned in the beginning, the
Speaker 1: Broncos came out and established the run. They weren't even
Speaker 1: in the shotgun to begin the game, which is unusual
Speaker 1: for them. They just ran heavy and that totally stopped
Speaker 1: the Dolphins pass for rush and kept up Blitz from
Speaker 1: being And I mean, justin Houston's been on fire. Dante
Speaker 1: Poe has been on fire, so it's it's a more
Speaker 1: difficult matchup. But I like what I saw the Broncos offense.
Speaker 1: You know, the Denver they were almost perfect. You know,
Speaker 1: they're well coached under Adam Gates too. When they're running
Speaker 1: games seem completely in emic. They take, as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: a couple of undrafted guys and then set them free.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's good preparation. And the Broncos, something
Speaker 1: was a weakness a month ago is turning into recently
Speaker 1: a strength for them. I like that about the Broncos
Speaker 1: Kansas City blowing that Oakland games gonna haunt them because
Speaker 1: that killed their Wigo room. They have to win this game,
Speaker 1: that would give them a season split with Denver. But
Speaker 1: we all took the Broncos, right, I don't think anyone
Speaker 1: took the Chiefs. Yeah. I think this is more of
Speaker 1: a coin flip game though. I mean I took the
Speaker 1: Chiefs when when Seattle came, I mean came in and
Speaker 1: they took care of business there. Just because they had
Speaker 1: a really ugly Thursday night game against Oakland, I'm not
Speaker 1: kind of throwing in the towel. They were very good
Speaker 1: for a while before that, and I remember what was
Speaker 1: the game where Denver spanks someone? And I remember you
Speaker 1: wrote the posted to the best team of football is
Speaker 1: about a month ago now trying to remember what that
Speaker 1: game was, But they were playing. The Broncos are playing
Speaker 1: at the level the way we view the Patriots right now.
Speaker 1: The Broncos shows you how quickly NFL changes and how
Speaker 1: things change, but they do see vulnerable. The last month
Speaker 1: or so, there seems to be something a little bit off.
Speaker 1: So that's why I totally agree this game can go
Speaker 1: either way, especially playing it in Arrowhead. God, I almost
Speaker 1: wanted to get frisky and go with the Chiefs, but
Speaker 1: I'm not a man. I never thought that I would
Speaker 1: be more excited about the Chief's offense just because Donnie
Speaker 1: Avery is probably coming back this room. But they've needed it.
Speaker 1: They don't have any other receivers beyond Dwayne Bow. They've
Speaker 1: needed Donnie Avery. Are you at all disappointed? I'll throw
Speaker 1: this out to anyone with the Broncos defense, because we
Speaker 1: kind of thought that this was gonna be a top
Speaker 1: five defense and it's been good. But there's a lot
Speaker 1: of great players. But you know when you see him
Speaker 1: against Miami, when you see him even against St. Louis
Speaker 1: like they're not playing at the level. They're certainly not
Speaker 1: a top five defense anymore. They seem to be going
Speaker 1: through a rough stretch the last couple of weeks, but
Speaker 1: von Miller dominated that second half against the Dolphins without
Speaker 1: recording a sack. He was in the backfield almost every
Speaker 1: time tan Hill dropped back. They only need to be
Speaker 1: dominant in January. That's what they were built for. I mean,
Speaker 1: it sounds it sounds simplistic, but the whole point is
Speaker 1: that's where they fell apart last season. You don't want
Speaker 1: to go to New England. And if they can win
Speaker 1: this game in Kansas City, the rest of the schedule
Speaker 1: sets up fairly well for Denver to run the table
Speaker 1: and really forced New England to also run the table
Speaker 1: to keep that one seed. By the way, West mentioned
Speaker 1: von Miller, I believe von Miller was near the top
Speaker 1: of your list of top ten comeback players of the year.
Speaker 1: Could access that vanity ul that Greg put together NFL
Speaker 1: dot com slash come back well, well, by the time
Speaker 1: people hear this or watch the NFL now, we'll get
Speaker 1: second seconds. Who's number one? Wait, don't say go to
Speaker 1: the freaking website for professional teaser and Sis is watching
Speaker 1: bra bra alright, so yeah, that's it for that game. Um,
Speaker 1: let's we have something else to add. Just suff it off.
Speaker 1: That's fine. No, read West's content. It's usually very very insightful.
Speaker 1: I wish you would read it. I did read it.
Speaker 1: I read it today. How would I How else would
Speaker 1: I know that von Miller was in the top three,
Speaker 1: that he was complaining about people in honorable mention like Jason,
Speaker 1: Pierre Paul. That's true, West taking shots at me and
Speaker 1: Mark read your content the rookie content yesterday. That that
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Speaker 1: play a game with West? I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys heard. Katy Perry was officially announced. This game is
Speaker 1: gonna be great. I don't have no idea what it is,
Speaker 1: but officially announces the halftime performer at the super Bowl
Speaker 1: in Arizona. Hopefully we'll all be there to see miss
Speaker 1: Perry do her thing. West. I. The first thing I
Speaker 1: thought of was you when they made the announcement, because
Speaker 1: this is a very famous artist, West, Greg you're aware
Speaker 1: of Katie Perry's work, A general idea, she's so big.
Speaker 1: My father in law, who lives in Japan, emailed me
Speaker 1: just for my thoughts on it because he's going to
Speaker 1: be going to the game this year and he's like,
Speaker 1: what do you think of this big Katy Perry show.
Speaker 1: It's got buzz internationally. I liked when you told the
Speaker 1: story originally and try to say it like your stepf
Speaker 1: or father. Yeah, and I enjoyed that. So, yeah, that
Speaker 1: Katy Perry. Mark, you know as well, you have two
Speaker 1: young boys. But everybody knows Katy Perry music. Yeah, you'd
Speaker 1: have to essentially have you know, existed underground to not know. No,
Speaker 1: I don't know every one of her songs, but I
Speaker 1: certainly know who she is and what her whole thing
Speaker 1: is about. All right, So I'm curious, Yes, a lot
Speaker 1: of people, but does west know Katy Perry music? So
Speaker 1: I decided I worked with TD on this great producer
Speaker 1: behind the glass ideas not generated by Mark and Greg,
Speaker 1: and I want to hear just quickly, uh you know,
Speaker 1: I want to hear. I want to know if has
Speaker 1: Chris Westling heard of this Katy Perry song. So let's
Speaker 1: start with one right off the bat. Let's go with
Speaker 1: the first one. Yes, I've heard of that song. That
Speaker 1: was the one that I knew I was gonna know
Speaker 1: right off the bat. There are no others that I
Speaker 1: could tell you. I can't tell you any of your
Speaker 1: other titles she's had. Okay, Okay, let's play a game. Then,
Speaker 1: since you knew one, can you take off your headphones
Speaker 1: one second? Sure? Okay, all right, TD play the second song,
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna ask you, guys, if you think
Speaker 1: West will know it. Yes, I'm gonna get saying now no.
Speaker 1: I mean, Chris is out in public places a lot,
Speaker 1: and this is everywhere. Okay, West, the can's back on.
Speaker 1: I trust Chris. I'm gonna say. I'm gonna say he
Speaker 1: doesn't know it. Wow. Okay, and what do you think? Okay,
Speaker 1: so one yes and two knows. It's like the biggest
Speaker 1: hit of two thousand twelve. I have no idea what
Speaker 1: the title is, but I believe when I was in
Speaker 1: Vegas I heard this in the day club nightclub. It
Speaker 1: would be hard not to have heard it, right, all right,
Speaker 1: So that's a yes. Then what's the name of that song? Firework?
Speaker 1: Not something I would ever listen to. Okay, let's play
Speaker 1: with headphones off one more time, one more song. Let's
Speaker 1: do this one. So that's a victory for Mark there,
Speaker 1: all right, this one's for a sandwich. Here we go. Yes,
Speaker 1: I don't even know that. I'm to be honest, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can definitely say. Can I think I'm gonna call
Speaker 1: an upset? Yes? He knows it. Mark, Yeah, no, I said, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been Ow's the Taverns with Chris and I know
Speaker 1: this is played in in the room. On this one,
Speaker 1: I feel strong. No, if I don't know it, West
Speaker 1: doesn't know it. So sandwich. Okay, come on West getting culture? West,
Speaker 1: you just lie you got three quarters honesty. I kind
Speaker 1: of liked this one, but have you heard it before?
Speaker 1: I have heard of it, and I'm guessing the name is.
Speaker 1: It's called Roar And by the way, thank you and
Speaker 1: thank you for the sandwich. Greg t D and I
Speaker 1: we were sharing on email, shamefully both like that song
Speaker 1: on Ironically it's a catchy to le workout song. Yeah
Speaker 1: it is, and I think that's where I might have
Speaker 1: heard it. That was gonna be my guest for the sandwich.
Speaker 1: We've been to Katy Perry game together. Yeah, I have
Speaker 1: not watched a second of any of them. This halftime
Speaker 1: shows maybe maybe a second of Madonna, But this is
Speaker 1: the one I'm excited for you know who's excited? Hey,
Speaker 1: I want to have a sandwich that you want watched.
Speaker 1: I am allowed to be excited for you know who
Speaker 1: have it? I I don't believe. I don't believe it,
Speaker 1: and I don't even believe Pry. I like all three
Speaker 1: of those songs. You know who is in on this.
Speaker 1: Papa Hands is Keith Hands is my dad, big, big
Speaker 1: Katy Perry fan, and I won't get into details why
Speaker 1: he loves her so much, loves Katy Perry looking forward
Speaker 1: to potentially seeing her in a live venue this year.
Speaker 1: If I was in charge of entertainment, it would be
Speaker 1: like Emmy Lou Harris and Bonnie Rait during the Hello
Speaker 1: Lou Harris reference. Actually, I crossed my mind to include
Speaker 1: Emmy Lou Harris is the curveball at some point there.
Speaker 1: I would get all of that. I think NFL media
Speaker 1: is definitely gonna heat see Chris for next year's show.
Speaker 1: All right, Oh yeah, Emmy Lou Harris definitely doesn't have
Speaker 1: any videos where she's wearing a bikini with firecrackers blasting
Speaker 1: off and more attractive than Katie Perry. This is getting weird.
Speaker 1: Was his lowest moment. Is just a curred. All right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look up Emmy Lou Harris after the show
Speaker 1: just for that. All right. She's a fox. Let's over
Speaker 1: hair fox. By the way, you can age with grace.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure I'm not saying just because she's older,
Speaker 1: she's not Keaty Perry is an attractive there's that, Oh
Speaker 1: she is. She is hanging in there, I'll tell you that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but let's come on, Katy Perry. I don't think you
Speaker 1: should knock Emmy Lou until you wrap the up. Okay,
Speaker 1: she's a very attractive older woman. All right, let's move
Speaker 1: back onto the games. Um. Greg very happy that he's
Speaker 1: back in the back in the seventies. Though, you're you're right,
Speaker 1: but I was like West sometimes lives in the seventies
Speaker 1: in terms of pop culture, So I think when you
Speaker 1: think of her, you're thinking of that twenty four year
Speaker 1: old version. Well, the seventies were the best music, right,
Speaker 1: as you've said many times, that would be the nineties.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's pretty much a rule. Everyone always
Speaker 1: likes the music that they were left when they were seventeen.
Speaker 1: For the rest of the the that's really more about
Speaker 1: when you're born, Like nineties R and B. Yeah, by
Speaker 1: the way, that's not even the best nineties R and
Speaker 1: D song, and that would be no dignity. It's just
Speaker 1: the one I have is essential. Nineties are returning the
Speaker 1: max better than no dignity. All right, let's get back
Speaker 1: on track. That's a nice little picture. The Cleveland Browns
Speaker 1: are heading to Buffalo to Orchard Park to face the Bills.
Speaker 1: The Buffalo Bells coming off that wipe out of the Jets,
Speaker 1: they get to return home. They will be able to
Speaker 1: play at raffles and Stadium, which is good news for
Speaker 1: everybody involved with the Bills and who live in that area.
Speaker 1: So that's good news. And now the Browns coming off
Speaker 1: what was a really dramatic win in Atlanta, now go
Speaker 1: to Buffalo, and this is UH. I wouldn't go as
Speaker 1: far as saying it's a playoff game for both teams.
Speaker 1: I think for the Bills it's very close. So that's
Speaker 1: six and six probably does them in. But let's face it,
Speaker 1: the way the ANFC North the shaping up, UH, the
Speaker 1: Browns at seven and four, if they follow seven and five,
Speaker 1: it might be hard to get into the playoffs without
Speaker 1: winning every other game. For the rest of the way,
Speaker 1: which probably won't happen, so big game. Here mark your
Speaker 1: initial thoughts because I know you started on one side
Speaker 1: of the Ledger, talked about it on the went on
Speaker 1: our previous show, and now you're going to the other side. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I picked Buffalo out of the gate because while you're
Speaker 1: right there with Cleveland's win last week was exciting, it
Speaker 1: was not very impressive. And Buffalo's defense, I just don't
Speaker 1: like the matchup of what Cleveland has in terms of
Speaker 1: their offensive line in their ground they are ground game
Speaker 1: dependent and they're running up against what is probably the
Speaker 1: best defensive line in the NFL right now. I think
Speaker 1: the X factor is if there's any more chemistry because
Speaker 1: this was off last week. You know, Josh Gordon a
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty yards, but it kind of happened in
Speaker 1: a way that you don't really would really remember how
Speaker 1: it happened. It's that easy for him. But but Hoyer
Speaker 1: probably missed fifties sixty seventy extra yards and the potential
Speaker 1: score to Gordon. Some weird Gordon stuff after that game
Speaker 1: too came out this week whether Petton publicly said you gotta,
Speaker 1: you know, do a better job fighting for balls and
Speaker 1: going up to get balls. And then Gordon told our
Speaker 1: own Nate Burlison that he was shunned by some of
Speaker 1: his own teammates in the locker room during suspension. So
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess Gordon is kind of an
Speaker 1: interesting guy to keep an eye on the rest of
Speaker 1: the season. Give us an update on where you think
Speaker 1: the Brown's offensive line is, because I remember just early
Speaker 1: in the year, we thought, Okay, this is like the
Speaker 1: next best group to Dallas and then Alex mcleaves and
Speaker 1: you're basically blaming their struggles for a while on Alex McBean.
Speaker 1: Now where are they now that they've kind of settled
Speaker 1: in because this, I agree. I think the Bill's defensive
Speaker 1: line is the best in the league by far. Well.
Speaker 1: I think it's it's been hot and cold, but they
Speaker 1: run his own by there you go, just constantly drawing
Speaker 1: that back. Uh. You know, they had a practice squad
Speaker 1: guy that they put into the center position in the
Speaker 1: zone blocking team. It's a hard role to jump into
Speaker 1: for a guy that really has no experience. They've gotten
Speaker 1: the Bengals game. They ran the ball very well, I thought,
Speaker 1: and against Atlanta, you know, he's always Isaiah Crowell. I'm
Speaker 1: thinking more even in past protection too, because the build,
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're a fine run stopping team, but
Speaker 1: they are Protection has been pretty good all years. They're
Speaker 1: a tough team to stop if you need to pass.
Speaker 1: I mean the Jets found that out when when you
Speaker 1: get behind they go crazy. It could be a tough one.
Speaker 1: Any thoughts was you guys covered it all? West picked
Speaker 1: the Bills, So yeah, we West again going against the
Speaker 1: Brownies to this. Yeah, so you do. And by the way,
Speaker 1: the picks are really heating up because Mark made up
Speaker 1: three games on me this week. Greg picked up a game,
Speaker 1: so Mark and I are tied at first place. I
Speaker 1: picked up a couple of games. Greg. You picked up
Speaker 1: two games. You're too okay, you're one game out, pat
Speaker 1: Tra two games out. West unfortunately has not made his movieyet.
Speaker 1: It's time to get going, right U. So that's where
Speaker 1: we are in the stad So now it's getting really
Speaker 1: it's getting down to the nitty gritty. We haven't decided
Speaker 1: what the but we should get like a championship belt
Speaker 1: or something for this group. This is the swing game
Speaker 1: because Patra West and I have the Bills at home,
Speaker 1: and you guys went with the brown. Yes, we'll see
Speaker 1: how it plays out moving forward. The tennis, Yes, the
Speaker 1: Texans are playing against the Titoons, the Tennessee Titans at
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans this at Reliance Stadium, and uh West's boy,
Speaker 1: what's his favorite quarterback in the NFL? Ryan Fitzpatrick back
Speaker 1: in the lineup? Now that Ryan, Now it has been
Speaker 1: sidelined for the season with a pectoral tear. So you
Speaker 1: have a little Mettenburger Fitzpatrick showdown in Houston. Houston basically done,
Speaker 1: you know, five and six. But we can put them
Speaker 1: to bed afit actually, as in the hunt on those
Speaker 1: screens when they show the playoff rundown. If they can't
Speaker 1: take care of business here, how do we see this
Speaker 1: playing out? Guys? Mettenberger versus Fitzpatrick is my own personal hell.
Speaker 1: The guy. There's a guy who writes for the Titans
Speaker 1: website who asked me to analyze Zach Mettenberger this week.
Speaker 1: He gave me three questions and I filled him out
Speaker 1: and I thought I did, like, you know, pretty thorough
Speaker 1: a job. And he emailed me back this morning he says, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is for the Titans official website. We shouldn't we
Speaker 1: shouldn't try to skew quite so negatively. Can I change
Speaker 1: your wording on this? What did you say? What do
Speaker 1: you gotta be honest? What does he want? I said,
Speaker 1: he's been holy relying upon big plays and broken coverage.
Speaker 1: He doesn't sustain the offense or move the chains, and
Speaker 1: they only score on big plays. He's a statue in
Speaker 1: the pocket. He holds the ball too long, and I
Speaker 1: don't think he's the quarterback of the future. Who would
Speaker 1: you if you're a coach, you gotta win a game.
Speaker 1: You got Fitzpatrick, you got Mettenburger, said Mettenberger. If it
Speaker 1: if it's garbage time, well you know you're starting the game.
Speaker 1: All things are equal and you need to win the game.
Speaker 1: I take Fitzpatrick and feel very confident about mettenbergers four great.
Speaker 1: This is a player in Mettenberger that people disagree on.
Speaker 1: Greg co Sell has been effusive that he thinks Mettenberger
Speaker 1: is not just the answer in Tennessee, but he that
Speaker 1: he's going to be a really good quarterback. Shocker. Well,
Speaker 1: he loves that type and he was statue quarterbacks with
Speaker 1: Hugh john He was his number two quarterback on in
Speaker 1: But he says from what he's seen on the field
Speaker 1: this year that it's almost like it's decided Mettenberger is
Speaker 1: gonna be good. It's that's a strange thought. Well, Greg
Speaker 1: co Sell knows how to break down film a lot
Speaker 1: better than I do, so I'm not seeing what he's
Speaker 1: seen there. You got a hero pick on this one.
Speaker 1: By the way, I was just gonna say, we West,
Speaker 1: we know how desperate he is because he went with
Speaker 1: Mettenberger to take down the Texans on the road. No
Speaker 1: less the way we goes Zach Mettenberger new type of
Speaker 1: Zach attack. One of the reasons why I did that
Speaker 1: because the Titans don't lack talent. Delaney Walker is a
Speaker 1: ploat Pro Bowl tight end this year, making plays every week.
Speaker 1: Justin Hunter can make big plays. Kendall Wrights a very
Speaker 1: good receiver. Nate Washington is not a bad number three.
Speaker 1: Out of all the rookie quarterbacks, Mettenberger has by far
Speaker 1: the best surrounding talent. Dan's breaking out in hives with
Speaker 1: all this Titans tuck don't I don't even know who
Speaker 1: we're talking about, So I feel uncomfortable being someone that's
Speaker 1: trying to drive the conversation. Let's let's move on to Indianapolis,
Speaker 1: where the Washington Redskins are facing the Colts. The Redskins
Speaker 1: big announcement this week they have now abandoned r G
Speaker 1: three for the season and perhaps forever. They've sat him
Speaker 1: down in favor of Sessler's boy, Colt McCoy, who will
Speaker 1: take over as a starter for the rest of the season,
Speaker 1: probably if he stays healthy. And they're facing the Colts,
Speaker 1: who are at home. Seemed to be in a really
Speaker 1: good position here. But as crazy as it is, and
Speaker 1: we would have never thought this shows you how crazy
Speaker 1: football is six months ago. But the Redskins are probably
Speaker 1: in a better position to put up a fight with
Speaker 1: Colton McCoy than RG three. Correct, no question about it.
Speaker 1: I tweeted last night that we found it out the
Speaker 1: news the Redskins had to make this move. I don't
Speaker 1: know what position RG three was playing the last two weeks,
Speaker 1: but it's not quarterback. The craziest moment of Gruden's press
Speaker 1: conference today was there was a question whether Griffin is
Speaker 1: a better or worse player than Gruden when Gruden arrived,
Speaker 1: and Gruden squirmed like he was being interrogated in a
Speaker 1: murder trial, and he just sort of made a funny
Speaker 1: face for like ten seconds. You could see the panic
Speaker 1: in his eyes when the woman asked the question. He
Speaker 1: had no idea. Eventually he got around to some point
Speaker 1: that didn't really answer the question, and then another another
Speaker 1: answer for him today, he said, Kurt wasn't happy when
Speaker 1: I went to Colt. Colt wasn't happy when I went
Speaker 1: back to Robert, and Robert's not happy that I went
Speaker 1: back to Cole. It's like a merry go round. Hold on,
Speaker 1: this is Gruden. Gruden was very clear that r G
Speaker 1: three wasn't his guy months ago. And this is basically
Speaker 1: you thought that Gruden was coming in for all the
Speaker 1: things about him that I didn't love as a head coach,
Speaker 1: the concept of him running an organization that his work
Speaker 1: with a quarterback in theory would be his strength. They're
Speaker 1: exactly where they were a year ago. Yes, they're not
Speaker 1: gonna do quite as strong of a shutdown of RG
Speaker 1: three that Shanahanahan. It's the same thing. They're right back
Speaker 1: in the same place. I put back on a little
Speaker 1: bit in the fact that they're cycling through to their
Speaker 1: third quarterback again and will call McCoy finished the season.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't bet on that at all. We could see
Speaker 1: a new quarterback next week when they get a whack
Speaker 1: thirty one to seven in this game. I think Jake
Speaker 1: Gruden he talks a little too much. I think there's
Speaker 1: something maybe he'll learn in time. I like when a
Speaker 1: coach is honest with the media, but he seems to
Speaker 1: always say a little too much more than he has to,
Speaker 1: which is gonna get him in trouble. It's done the
Speaker 1: same thing to his old quarterback RG three. But back
Speaker 1: to RG three second. By the way, we were talking
Speaker 1: about Greg Costell too. He had a piece this week
Speaker 1: that I read they had. He had a screen grab.
Speaker 1: This just shows you how lost r G three was.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's Gruden that contributed this
Speaker 1: or Griffin just complete ly um just continuing to struggle
Speaker 1: to a point where he's not even a quarterback anymore.
Speaker 1: Coastell had a screen drop grabbing a drive where the
Speaker 1: two wide outs on each side were running outs on
Speaker 1: each side, or are out routes on each side where
Speaker 1: they were open. They both broke open. He had three
Speaker 1: checkdown guys in front of him, all wide open, so
Speaker 1: he had five open guys. He missed them. All didn't
Speaker 1: read it, didn't see it, scrambled and then threw it
Speaker 1: out of bounds as pressure got to him. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a broken quarterback. He's a lost puppy behind
Speaker 1: the center, broke and beyond repair or at least as
Speaker 1: far as at least as far as this season goes.
Speaker 1: He has to be Coastel has pointed this out, and
Speaker 1: it's obvious watching he has to be reprogrammed or rebooted.
Speaker 1: And I'm not sure that he'll ever be a good
Speaker 1: quarterback just because he was such a dynamic athlete when
Speaker 1: he was a good quarterback and he's not that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: physically he's not the same player. But I mean, as
Speaker 1: Gregg pointed out in the post, I'll say, if Kevin
Speaker 1: Cobb and guys like Matt Flynn can get teams to
Speaker 1: keep believing in them over and over r G three,
Speaker 1: if he's not on the Redskins next year, he beat
Speaker 1: them all right. And I don't think you should be either,
Speaker 1: because this drama has gotten insane in Washington. But some
Speaker 1: other coach or a number of coaches are gonna vie
Speaker 1: for this guy because they're gonna think they can fix
Speaker 1: what's going on. Here. We were talking. Yeah, oh god,
Speaker 1: please know we were talking about tortured fan bases downstairs
Speaker 1: this morning got pretty heated, actually, And I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear a Redskins Redskins fan tell me that they're
Speaker 1: the most tortured fan base. It's been a rough couple
Speaker 1: of decades now, but in general, they got those rings there,
Speaker 1: they should be happy. But I will say this, I
Speaker 1: got I'm bummed out of him a Redskins fan because
Speaker 1: I have my big matchup with the Colts. And when
Speaker 1: I looked at this in August and I was really
Speaker 1: excited about this season, I thought it was me r
Speaker 1: G three Andrew Luck, the two studs of two thousand
Speaker 1: twelve going head to head. Now that guy is sitting
Speaker 1: on the sideline, it's over for r G three. It's
Speaker 1: crumbled so quickly. It's amazing they had one playoff game,
Speaker 1: or they've had a couple of little things with Chris Simms,
Speaker 1: or now for the last decade, they're up there with
Speaker 1: the worst most because the emotional pain of all the
Speaker 1: drama and just being kind of a national embarrassment is
Speaker 1: always there. Also mentioned that the Patriots were up there
Speaker 1: because they had lost a number of Super Bowls that
Speaker 1: we all took the cults, of course, have you looked
Speaker 1: at the two thousand and twelve draft class. Speaking of
Speaker 1: RG three's benching, you have luck. I think you have
Speaker 1: r G three benched. Trent Richardson, the slowest running back
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Matt Khalil a swinging gate this year,
Speaker 1: and who assaults fans on the on the Morris Clayborne
Speaker 1: a bust uh, Justin Blackman, Justin Blackman and definitely suspended,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. And the seventh pick, Mark Baron was
Speaker 1: just traded a month ago by the team that drafted
Speaker 1: him the top seven. Sometimes it's the year that you're
Speaker 1: drafting there because it's not like all those teams are
Speaker 1: just stupid, just as equally amiss. All right, moving on,
Speaker 1: this is let's get through this game pretty quickly. In
Speaker 1: the New York Giants are heading to Jacksonville to face
Speaker 1: the Jaguars. The Giants almost beat the Cowboys, that came
Speaker 1: so close to beat in the Cowboys and their building
Speaker 1: didn't work out, and they face a Jaguars team which
Speaker 1: is going nowhere at one and ten. And I found
Speaker 1: it interesting that Gus Bradley came out and basically basically
Speaker 1: try to light a fire under Blake Bortles a little bit.
Speaker 1: I think he said, you know, we're leaving him. He's talented,
Speaker 1: but we haven't seen as much as we thought we
Speaker 1: were going to see. Was this a smart move to
Speaker 1: do through the press the way they did? Why not?
Speaker 1: I think it shows that he isn't that he thinks
Speaker 1: Bortles can handle it, you know what I mean, that
Speaker 1: he's not gonna be too sensitive. I don't think that's
Speaker 1: a concern for them with boards. A lot of times
Speaker 1: when in this maybe not the case in Washington, but
Speaker 1: in other places when quarterbacks here the coaches say that
Speaker 1: in to the media, they're hearing that in meetings. It
Speaker 1: shouldn't be a surprise to Blake Bortles that that's the
Speaker 1: way they feel. I mean, how many things coming out
Speaker 1: of Jacksonville even reach a national audience. I don't even
Speaker 1: know if I heard that it was on our site,
Speaker 1: but well, I'm not paying attention. Apparently, maybe they had
Speaker 1: the right idea in August. They should have stuck with
Speaker 1: Chad Handy. Oh. I don't really portals doesn't trust his
Speaker 1: old line at all. When I'm watching that game, he's
Speaker 1: throwing checkdowns every part. They should have stuck with Handy
Speaker 1: because we all pushed for the opposite. But but what's
Speaker 1: happened is was their greatest fear, and it's why they
Speaker 1: were anxious about it, and they got fooled kind of
Speaker 1: by the previous. Let me ask you guys a question.
Speaker 1: I'm just curious. You're the GM of the Jaguars and
Speaker 1: your boy Reggie old Ridge, and he says, hey, I
Speaker 1: want to offer you Derek Carr for Blake Bortles. Straight up,
Speaker 1: do you take the deal. I'd rather have Bortles would
Speaker 1: a check on? Wow, So you're ready to move on?
Speaker 1: By not moving on, he's not my boy to begin with.
Speaker 1: I think the portals in theory and the way he
Speaker 1: is physically was someone that most most GM's probably would
Speaker 1: look at higher than Car. But Car, to me, it's
Speaker 1: got some moxy. I kind of just like his whole makeup,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I was thinking, like Tom Coughlin,
Speaker 1: he's been good with quarterbacks. He's returning here to Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: Maybe after the game he just stays and becomes the
Speaker 1: Jaguars Coaches Foundation is down there, down there been by
Speaker 1: the way, let's not leave out the really the only
Speaker 1: reason to watch this game. I can't believe it. Beckham, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's awesome, the most fun player to watch in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Right now, you can just sign me this game. Even
Speaker 1: though I hate the Giants and the Jaguars are unwatchable,
Speaker 1: I'll take it just to watch it that We have
Speaker 1: a lot of early games only too late, so you're
Speaker 1: easy getting to and you're sold. Moving on, we move
Speaker 1: on to the Minnesota Vikings, who are at home outdoors, Mark,
Speaker 1: not under the Teflon Dome. They're at home. They will
Speaker 1: face the Carolina Panthers. The Panthers who, for all you know,
Speaker 1: for all tents and purposes, should be out of this thing,
Speaker 1: but they're actually just a half game out of first
Speaker 1: place at three seven and one. As pathetic as that is,
Speaker 1: so this is a game where there is something to it,
Speaker 1: and the Vikings can't make the same case. For the Vikings.
Speaker 1: They're done at four and seven. But the Panthers still
Speaker 1: have a shot to save their season after all of this,
Speaker 1: is there anyway? They first of all start with this game.
Speaker 1: They're gonna take care of business, and if they do,
Speaker 1: they're gonna put together some type of run and maybe
Speaker 1: be the first NFC South team to ever repeat who
Speaker 1: I took the Vikings because the Vikings defense is to me,
Speaker 1: the best group in this game. I don't like much
Speaker 1: about this game, but I like the Vikings defense. To
Speaker 1: answer your question, I think the Panthers are a fundamentally
Speaker 1: flawed team, both on the offensive line and in the
Speaker 1: defensive backfield. I don't think they can they can put
Speaker 1: it together. It would be a disgraceful repeating of division
Speaker 1: winning to where they're gonna have to like a five
Speaker 1: game winner winning the South that they pull that off.
Speaker 1: Even outscored five points this year. And to put that
Speaker 1: in perspective, the only teams that have been outscored by
Speaker 1: more are the Bucks, the Jags, and the Raiders and
Speaker 1: the Titans. So like the worst teams in the league,
Speaker 1: that's that's Carolina. Speaking of rookie quarterbacks, I got in
Speaker 1: my notes the past two weeks the same note on
Speaker 1: Bridgewater takes a lot too, way too much effort to
Speaker 1: throw his deep ball. He reminds me of Dalton a
Speaker 1: little bit that way. And that was the pre draft
Speaker 1: comparison from some people to Dalton. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: like where he is right now, and I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: that excited about him. Do you remind me by notes
Speaker 1: about my research notes? Guy, that I have to my
Speaker 1: left and I'm scrambling now because I don't think I'm prepared. No,
Speaker 1: Dan Sick keeps sifting through, He's flipping pages here. Cam
Speaker 1: Newton is one who want to get the Titans of
Speaker 1: three touchdown passes in each start. No, that was not it.
Speaker 1: The Vikings doesn't matter. I got it out there, but
Speaker 1: not the guy. How do we do? How do we
Speaker 1: pick these games? Shocking? But we are out on the Panthers,
Speaker 1: the former team of a t L Moving forward to
Speaker 1: New Orleans, Saints head to Pittsburgh. After blowing three home
Speaker 1: games in a row. The Saints now go to Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: where things do not get any easier, to face the Steelers.
Speaker 1: Big game, very big game for the Steelers. Every game
Speaker 1: for these a f C North games is so teams
Speaker 1: is so huge because they're so tightly packed. Seven three
Speaker 1: and one and then three seven and four teams, the
Speaker 1: Steelers one of them, and then of course the Saints,
Speaker 1: who are four and seven and tied with the Falcons
Speaker 1: atop the NFC South so is again, one team's well
Speaker 1: over five hundred, the other one is well below five hundred.
Speaker 1: But both teams. It means a lot of the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Fifty points over under for the Steelers in this game. Oh,
Speaker 1: I thought you meant for both teams. Come on, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying the Steelers. I'm saying I'm smelling a fifty
Speaker 1: burger burger. This is this is the underachievable fifty seven
Speaker 1: to thirties five. What I feel that way about. Well,
Speaker 1: we're talking about a team that lost to the Bucks,
Speaker 1: lost to the Jets, barely beat the barely beat the Titans,
Speaker 1: barely beat the Jaguars. Theyre underachievers. This, by the way,
Speaker 1: this was my Super Bowl that I picked. Really are
Speaker 1: two Super Bowl games in one, by the way, Mark,
Speaker 1: more like the toilet Bowl. Well done? You think this
Speaker 1: multi talent it? Dan Hanson strikes again. I came up
Speaker 1: with it. That's an original comment. I just shut down
Speaker 1: the whole podcast. It was because if you guys aren't ready,
Speaker 1: I have another note to read. If you got nothing
Speaker 1: else to say, maybe it's it's vaguely relevant. The Saints
Speaker 1: are one and seven or the last eight road games
Speaker 1: dating back to last season turnover differential of minus eleven.
Speaker 1: Awful road to thank you for that. Thank you. I
Speaker 1: want to see. I want to see how the Steelers
Speaker 1: recover without le Garrett Block. Hopefully they recover better than
Speaker 1: marked it off my toilet Bowl comments, What was it
Speaker 1: getting five carries a game? I'm just saying, glue guy,
Speaker 1: you're gonna miss You're gonna miss. Missed that guy in
Speaker 1: the locker room. How do we pick this game? Oh Steelers, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna pick the Saints a lot tomato cans. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if the Saints only hit one win, then it would
Speaker 1: be a no brainer. You gotta go with him. They
Speaker 1: are good enough to stick in this game because it's
Speaker 1: it's crazy Breeze is getting killed for a bad season.
Speaker 1: It's like every mistake he makes turns into a page.
Speaker 1: They'll put up thirty points, though in this game's only
Speaker 1: because of what he's been. He's fallen off this season
Speaker 1: from this pass or quarterback a ton of yardage on
Speaker 1: Monday Night, which is completely lost in the fact that
Speaker 1: they had those mistakes. But this game could be a
Speaker 1: fun watch. Steelers defense is getting a lot healthier. You're
Speaker 1: super Bowl picked for this. It's still in front of them.
Speaker 1: I mean, they they've been up and down, a little disappointing,
Speaker 1: but they've got it all in front of them. There
Speaker 1: sper Bowl still could happen. Yeah, mathematically, a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of things could happen, alright. Moving on the Oakland Raiders,
Speaker 1: who finally got that first win, that elusive first win
Speaker 1: on Thursday night football against the Chiefs head to St.
Speaker 1: Louis to face the Rams were either uh, the worst best,
Speaker 1: the worst good team of the week in the league,
Speaker 1: or the best bad team in the league. I'm not sure,
Speaker 1: but they're they're feisty, the best best bad team. I
Speaker 1: guess right, they're a bad team. You were trying to
Speaker 1: clown on them because they're the four and sevent team,
Speaker 1: but you watch them every week, they're a good team.
Speaker 1: You can't you can't just excuse their offense. They have
Speaker 1: a good running books. I mean, I guess my point is,
Speaker 1: is there a big difference between not to pick on
Speaker 1: you Mark here? Is there a big difference between the
Speaker 1: Rams and the Browns? Now? I mean, is there a
Speaker 1: big difference between the Rams and the Bills or the Chiefs.
Speaker 1: I don't think Ram's offense is not well coached. They
Speaker 1: have the exact opposite record of the Browns. That's a
Speaker 1: big deal. But you change a couple of plays here
Speaker 1: there for any team and you can nothing. But then
Speaker 1: nothing meant why are we doing this podcast? Nothing means
Speaker 1: to say, you watched the eyeball test that the good
Speaker 1: teams that they beat, and I think they're defense for
Speaker 1: half the year and they've had a horrible offense for
Speaker 1: most I'm talking about him now is pretty good now
Speaker 1: though right now they're pretty good now. Their offense is
Speaker 1: way below him. They beat the Broncos, they beat the
Speaker 1: forty Niners. Let's see, let's how about you take the Raiders,
Speaker 1: then the Rams the Raiders. Yeah, if you hate the
Speaker 1: Rams so much, when did I become a Raiders lover?
Speaker 1: I don't know. You just think that stink. Look if
Speaker 1: I was Richard Sherman or A Kwan Bold and I
Speaker 1: would point out that the Rams don't matter in the NFL.
Speaker 1: They go seven and nine every year and they refused
Speaker 1: to draft the quarterback. They don't mean the Raiders. By
Speaker 1: the time this game is played, the Raiders haven't lost
Speaker 1: in more than a week, more than two weeks. You
Speaker 1: can't kill West for saying that team a stinks and
Speaker 1: then picking them against a team with one win, Well,
Speaker 1: that was a joke. That was a joke. I'm just,
Speaker 1: you know, introducing some marks mad at me because I
Speaker 1: took a small different. It's not Browns. What it is.
Speaker 1: It's you're looking at a team that's seven and four
Speaker 1: and one that's four and seven and saying they're the
Speaker 1: same thing. It's like, well, why are we playing I
Speaker 1: think games. I guess my point is if they go
Speaker 1: on a neutral field, I think those teams are even
Speaker 1: right now, Browns and Rams, and I think Rams are
Speaker 1: even or better than with a lot the team is
Speaker 1: probably true of the league. I think the Browns win
Speaker 1: six of those games. I think the Browns win seven.
Speaker 1: I was one of them. Still hit Seawan Hills. Its
Speaker 1: Quarterback's fair, that's fair, That's very fair. Alright. Moving on,
Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals head to Tampa Bay to face the Bucks.
Speaker 1: I got a little overly excited about the Bucks, thinking
Speaker 1: they were gonna make a nice late season run, and
Speaker 1: then they laid a stinker in Chicago there two and nine.
Speaker 1: They're awful, forget them their bums. And then the Bengals
Speaker 1: They've bounced back nicely, of course, after their meltdown against
Speaker 1: the Browns. They've won two straight weeks. Andy Dalton's playing better.
Speaker 1: Things seem to be doing well, and Greg, you were
Speaker 1: I was looking to tee you up on Sunday Show,
Speaker 1: but you weren't able to do do it talking about
Speaker 1: the backfield in Cincinnati and how that is something that
Speaker 1: could really help this team down the stretch. I hate
Speaker 1: to say it because I admit I don't really enjoy
Speaker 1: this Bengals team, but they are rounding into form and
Speaker 1: there's a lot to like about them right now, including
Speaker 1: that backfield. I mean, Jeremy Hill has gotten better each
Speaker 1: and every week. Geo Bernard, there's not many one two
Speaker 1: punches that are better than that. And this is what
Speaker 1: I think when you know, Hugh Jackson came in, this
Speaker 1: is what he pointed to in the offseason, which so
Speaker 1: often those things don't happen. But they're running the ball
Speaker 1: enough where the point is you don't want to have
Speaker 1: to make Annie Dalton throw the ball every game fifty times?
Speaker 1: Like what how many games this year have a J Green?
Speaker 1: Geo Bernard and Jeremy Hill been on the field together?
Speaker 1: Two on the last one looks pretty good, and Green
Speaker 1: looks now And by the way, Jeremy Hill is averaging
Speaker 1: five yards to carry and it's not a small sample size,
Speaker 1: it's a hundred thirty one carries. This guy touches the ball,
Speaker 1: good things happen. He had a great sequence about the
Speaker 1: three minute mark in the fourth quarter last week. He
Speaker 1: had a really nice reception and had a really quick
Speaker 1: cut to kill the clock that a lot of running
Speaker 1: backs wouldn't have made. That was the first time all
Speaker 1: year I was like, oh, this, they might have something. Well,
Speaker 1: it's interesting that he was in the game there at
Speaker 1: the end on a passing down and that he made
Speaker 1: a catch really to win the game. If he gets
Speaker 1: tackled there he doesn't catch that pass, Texans have a
Speaker 1: decent chance to go down and try to win. In
Speaker 1: that Jaguars game where he first blew up, he had
Speaker 1: some cuts in that game where I think that's not
Speaker 1: what he was advertised on any level as when he
Speaker 1: came out of the draft. And he's more elusive than
Speaker 1: you think, and he can run inside. I think he's
Speaker 1: he's a perfect compliment. And you know, a j Green
Speaker 1: is feeling good because early in the first quarter, he
Speaker 1: caught a sideline pass over a G. A. J. Boullier
Speaker 1: and turned to the Texans sideline. He said, you better
Speaker 1: get someone else on me. You better get someone else
Speaker 1: on me. That's like, that's like a West plane cornhole move,
Speaker 1: just like he throws that thing in a hole, and
Speaker 1: he's just like, you better, you better get another opponent
Speaker 1: utter here. I mean he loved the West by the
Speaker 1: way West, coming to hands this manner for Thanksgiving. I
Speaker 1: told him, bring the boards. Oh they'll be there, Bring
Speaker 1: the boards and we'll Did you get Jack involved, get
Speaker 1: my young boy involved, just to watch, just to get
Speaker 1: an idea of what the game is all about? It?
Speaker 1: It's the future national past time of America. Uh so
Speaker 1: we all took the best already more exciting than baseball.
Speaker 1: How dare you? You know what? I extended all branch
Speaker 1: and you go after my sport that way. I look back.
Speaker 1: TV is so bored right now, we're almost on TV.
Speaker 1: We're trying to get out of attempt professionalism. He's like
Speaker 1: he's like doing that, He's doing little tricks to keep
Speaker 1: himself awake. He was actually testing his pulse moving on
Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals face the Atlanta Falcons. The Cards got
Speaker 1: humbled a little bit. They went up to Seattle and
Speaker 1: got beaten. They didn't move the ball on offense against
Speaker 1: the Seahawks defense. Of course, now they face the Falcons,
Speaker 1: who you know, all the Falcons are in first place,
Speaker 1: four and seven, first place, another bad NFC South team, uh,
Speaker 1: trying to fight for playoff position. Big game for the
Speaker 1: Cardinals though, of course, as we said, if they can't
Speaker 1: take care of business here, all of a sudden, they
Speaker 1: got a one game lead in their division. As you
Speaker 1: hit December, well, they have three points in their last
Speaker 1: seven quarters. I've I've picked against Arizona too much this year,
Speaker 1: but I'm surprised just to hear kind of the mood like, well,
Speaker 1: if if they don't get it done, you know, it's like,
Speaker 1: this is Atlanta and Arizona is a tough team from
Speaker 1: everything I've seen out of area. Don't know. I expect
Speaker 1: them to go in there and kill them, like their defense,
Speaker 1: to come out with a really great performance. And it
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're gonna win the division or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but they're gonna go and they're gonna beat the Falcon.
Speaker 1: I guess what's lost a little bit watching that Seahawks
Speaker 1: Cardinals game from last week is how insane Arizona's defense
Speaker 1: was earlier in the game before the wheels fell off
Speaker 1: a little bit at the end. This game doesn't seem
Speaker 1: that different to me from an offensive angle like Cleveland
Speaker 1: last week going into Atlanta. That concerned me as a
Speaker 1: Browns fan. Arizona's offense cannot run the ball and there's
Speaker 1: nothing with standing at quarterback that makes you super confident
Speaker 1: about what they're doing through the air. But the defense
Speaker 1: against Arizona against Atlanta that that could be the ex factor.
Speaker 1: I think Greg now that the Cardinals are a very
Speaker 1: tough team there. They're what the Falcons thought they might
Speaker 1: be in hard knocks, right, And I don't I don't
Speaker 1: mean they put up forty points. I just think it's
Speaker 1: like twenty three to seven, and it's not too in
Speaker 1: doubt because I just think this team has something that
Speaker 1: has enough to win games like m have too much
Speaker 1: to really going to a tail spin. Uh, but yeah,
Speaker 1: they got to score some points. They're the kind of
Speaker 1: team I don't think they're gonna let down against a
Speaker 1: bad opponent. I think I just think they don't have
Speaker 1: enough firepower now against good opponents with Stanton understand, I
Speaker 1: don't know if Lara fitz sheld is playing either, he's
Speaker 1: got that m c l. Sprain. You gotta wonder in
Speaker 1: Atlanta's locker room if they're wondering, a is the coach
Speaker 1: gonna be here a month and a half from now
Speaker 1: or any of us gonna be here three months from now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Matt Ryan knows that, Julio Jones knows that.
Speaker 1: They know they're there, but there could be a big
Speaker 1: rebuild coming in Smith and they're going to Green Bay
Speaker 1: then they host Pittsburgh. It's like, yes, this team is
Speaker 1: in first place, but it also wouldn't surprise me if
Speaker 1: they finished five and eleven when the division at five
Speaker 1: and eleven, how about that. I'd like to see what
Speaker 1: an under coach could do with that offensive talent. Interesting
Speaker 1: and you will get a chance. Good luck. Here we go. Finally,
Speaker 1: Monday Night Football. The Miami Dolphins, who are really hanging
Speaker 1: in there at six and five, almost beat the Broncos
Speaker 1: fell shorts and now they're essentially must win situation, are
Speaker 1: very close to it against the lowly Jets, who have
Speaker 1: uh benched Michael vick now and gone back to Geno
Speaker 1: Smith in a move that has John Edzi's fingerprints all
Speaker 1: over it. So now you have Gino back in the lineup. Well,
Speaker 1: Wilkerson might not be playing, so the jets best player
Speaker 1: might be out of the lineup. So everything's shaping up
Speaker 1: for the Dolphins to take care of business in the
Speaker 1: meadow lands. But the Dolphins don't always seem to do
Speaker 1: too well with good fortune, so let's see if they
Speaker 1: take care of business here. But they should win this game,
Speaker 1: am I right? You know that change also as was
Speaker 1: a mouthwatering move for us. Dan we win a sandwich.
Speaker 1: We had a little proposition. It's excrued me, baby, you're
Speaker 1: a fire work. It's excrued me. I mean there it is,
Speaker 1: I've got fireworks. Look, this is an outrage. It was
Speaker 1: down to this week, by the way, So as much
Speaker 1: drama as you can have in a was that they're
Speaker 1: gonna stick with Vic right, and it Zick sounds like
Speaker 1: he wanted. He's like, Rex, sit down, big boy, you're
Speaker 1: no longer in Charge's right here. He pulls up his khakis.
Speaker 1: Look at decision. It must have happened three weeks ago,
Speaker 1: because that's the only way we would have found out.
Speaker 1: A carrier pigeon landed and found out that Rex had
Speaker 1: said in a conference call that Vick would probably still
Speaker 1: be the starter and it's extent. The carrier pigeon back
Speaker 1: the other way and said, oh no, I'm not happy
Speaker 1: about this. I I like, by the way, is it
Speaker 1: the first time I think I've ever really felt this
Speaker 1: way as a Jet fan. I'm all in on the
Speaker 1: on the tank fest to suck for Duck two and fourteen,
Speaker 1: and away we go. And I like it got Geno
Speaker 1: Smith throwing picks and being disastrous. You got Mo Wilkerson
Speaker 1: shut him down with that toe injury. Let's go into
Speaker 1: the tank big time and then start fresh with a
Speaker 1: new regime and a new quarterball. Well, this morning at work,
Speaker 1: we look depressing. Our picks got published, and we noticed
Speaker 1: that West had picked the Jets, and we thought, now
Speaker 1: he is just at this point giving up on the picks.
Speaker 1: But he comes into work. He comes into work and
Speaker 1: he realizes that he picked them before the Monday night game.
Speaker 1: That's how long ago you because they look so good
Speaker 1: before that Monday night game. But now it's of course
Speaker 1: you can't pick the Jets. But you know what I
Speaker 1: think you just switched out of a win because you
Speaker 1: don't go get blanked on Monday night two weeks in
Speaker 1: a row that badly watched the Jets win this game,
Speaker 1: and then everyone says, what's wrong with Miami? You should
Speaker 1: pick them? Mark. Maybe I will across the board. Right
Speaker 1: now we have the Dolphins, but who knows, maybe the
Speaker 1: City Dolphin donate give me. The last time we challenged you,
Speaker 1: you switched to a pick that was right Dallas, and
Speaker 1: see how that's right. Maybe this is another time for
Speaker 1: you to do this. I'm not having a Sessler. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying I might switch. You'll have to find out.
Speaker 1: Please just do it. Your boy, Bill Laser has saved
Speaker 1: Philbin's job this year. I think he will he as
Speaker 1: Henry Hodgson predicted, maybe Laser will be the head coach. Well,
Speaker 1: I think Greg has astutely pointed out that they're basically
Speaker 1: they're running a combination of Chip Kelly's offense in the
Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve Redskins offense, and it's doin wonders
Speaker 1: for them. Yeah. Alright, So that's it for the Wednesday Podcast,
Speaker 1: a special early podcast with Thanksgiving around the corner. Happy
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving to all our listeners from the States, and I
Speaker 1: guess I didn't know this was happening. But all the
Speaker 1: non Americans who celebrate the holiday or just the turkey
Speaker 1: on a Thursday, I don't know if that happens. But anyway,
Speaker 1: thank you for listening to the show. That's what we're
Speaker 1: thankful for. Great fans, what a great audience, the best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a good that's a good point. I mean people
Speaker 1: have been our Twitter followers, the little jokes that we've
Speaker 1: been getting, the money tags, the photo shop stuffs. You've
Speaker 1: got someone we have the lyrics to hurt hurts. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have a podcast playing named Max and he he
Speaker 1: had great lyrics written by Gregor. What was the line
Speaker 1: about the talent show in the triangle? Something about the
Speaker 1: talent show is so far away. I think I'll put
Speaker 1: my triangle away. Brilliant, I mean Greg, And we're by
Speaker 1: the way, Greg, you're not getting out with the hook
Speaker 1: about we're gonna get in. We might have to do
Speaker 1: a whole podcast about Greg's goth alternivent special. We saw
Speaker 1: some guy who is making his five Twitter recommendations for
Speaker 1: podcasts for all the people that follows him, and number
Speaker 1: three was the Around the League Podcast, Around the NFL podcast,
Speaker 1: the only sports one the list, and he's like his
Speaker 1: description of the podcast was, it's just three regular guys
Speaker 1: laughing and talking football and a goth band singer held it.
Speaker 1: I have an update from the drummer contact what is it?
Speaker 1: And he can't find the video but he has still
Speaker 1: Well that's a good start. That's a good start. We're
Speaker 1: gonna get to the bottom of this. There is a
Speaker 1: a bruder film element to this. At some point we're
Speaker 1: going to get video. Yes, So thank you so much
Speaker 1: for listening. We can't give shout to fans with all
Speaker 1: giving a shout out to the main man, Tristan. You
Speaker 1: know sure the base agreed for sure. Alright, good. How
Speaker 1: much of Tristan pay you for that? I'd like to
Speaker 1: worry about that, right, You've got money, money coming from
Speaker 1: multiple channels. It's disturbing. It's like the Warden and shawshank
Speaker 1: where the construction guy delivers the pie with the twenties
Speaker 1: underneath it. Hey dirty, right, that's it. That's it. So yes,
Speaker 1: Happy Thanksgiving and we'll be back on Sunday night with
Speaker 1: another recap podcast. This is Dan Hansas signing signing off
Speaker 1: for the sizzler, the mailman, the Boss and the great
Speaker 1: t D behind the glass. Happy Thanksgiving,