WEBVTT - Ep. 320: Rut, The Dating App 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eat your podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:18.360 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.400 --> 0:00:24.080 can't predict anything presented by first like creating proven versatile 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:28.040 hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear for 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:35.800 every hunt. First like go farther, stay longer. Oh this 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:39.960 is you got the machine on film? It's always on Steve. Okay, 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:42.080 Well you need to go on and delete everything, ye Like, 0:00:42.840 --> 0:00:45.720 ok can you imagine the black tape? Can you imagine 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:49.320 the black mail tape that Phil could produce? Dude us 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:53.199 on geo like like us on geo politics. Now this 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:55.080 is more in line with what we're supposed to talk about, 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:58.040 is uh? Man? This is a genius idea. I don't like, 0:00:58.880 --> 0:01:01.959 I feel like, um, I hope that me saying this 0:01:03.120 --> 0:01:05.240 like that we're going to do this makes it that 0:01:05.280 --> 0:01:07.840 we have like uh, like it's copyrighted now you know 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:18.760 what I'm saying, Time stamp this Phil. Okay, At this 0:01:18.880 --> 0:01:23.080 date we have claimed this came from a listener, but 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.800 he's that we're cutting him out of the loop. Dan, 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.480 we got to Dan up. He gets a free membership. 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:34.720 You go try to find forgetting the idea at least 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:37.000 five off the first month. This is what Dan gets 0:01:37.040 --> 0:01:45.160 for having the idea a dating app called RUT. You 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:48.680 don't like it, Megan, what would you call Yanny said, 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:50.800 you know, Dan's a dude. Based on the fact that 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:55.240 he wants to call the dating app it's correct, what 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.720 would you call it? I just don't have a whole 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:01.240 lot of faith in dating apps period, So it's not 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:05.240 like you want to call it like breeding seasons. Jesus Christ. No, 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:10.800 that's a far superior breeding season. Probably go with RUT 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:13.960 and it's like a dating app. He said. Okay, this 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:17.080 is a guy that's burned out on dating apps. And 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:18.920 he says that he sees that we have an interest 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:23.000 in fixing people up um, and he says that he's 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:26.639 really burned out on dating maps. He said, farmers dot com. Mr. 0:02:26.720 --> 0:02:31.600 Have you guys ever farmers only? Farmers only farm have 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:33.640 you like? How much dating app action have you had 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:39.320 in your life? It's been limited because I uh, I 0:02:39.360 --> 0:02:44.840 guess I haven't tried farmers only, or you know, I haven't. 0:02:45.040 --> 0:02:48.120 I haven't reached out. I've tried to Hinge and tender, 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:52.679 and you know, I pretty much I download him. I 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.960 meet a couple of folks and I delete them because 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:59.920 it's it's just I don't think it's a great way 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:04.240 of meeting people. This is a very I was gonna say. 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:05.360 I've got a ton of friends that go through that 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.320 whole like download, delete, download, delete, cycle like in a 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:09.680 couple of times a year. Let me ask you more. 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:11.000 I want to ask you series of yes or no 0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:15.799 questions because it'll be easier on you on the podcast. 0:03:17.080 --> 0:03:20.440 Well have you done these? Okay, I'm gonna ask you 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:22.720 both the serious yes no questions. I know you haven't. 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:26.040 I haven't. I missed. I tell my wife all time. 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:29.919 If I could go back in time, like normally i'd 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:31.280 want to go to the place to scene, but if 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:33.560 there was like a limit, I would go back in time. 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:36.680 I would go back in time to like a little 0:03:36.720 --> 0:03:39.360 teeny while ago and do dating apps for one day. 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:43.400 M hm, Like what I think you'd be disappointed? At 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:45.240 what phase of your life would you have been using 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.640 the dating apps? Like would this have been Steve everything? Would? 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.400 It would be a weird time machine because it would 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.960 be twenty two. I got married before these became a thing, right, 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:56.920 so I'd have to like it would be like a 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:00.120 weird time machine did made my life go back a 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:02.640 certain number of years, so when I wasn't married, but 0:04:02.720 --> 0:04:08.200 then make time when they go forward to when there 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:13.720 is dating apps that Michael J. Fox it's better, dolorans 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:16.600 that Michael J. Foxes Doloran. I don't think I had 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:20.520 settings like this, and I would online date for one day. 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:23.320 I would love to know what Katie's reaction to this is. 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:26.040 She knows that, but I think she missed Yeah, of 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:31.799 course because we haven't married the same day. I mean, yeah, 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:35.080 so she never did it either. Yeah, he's never done it. Phil, 0:04:35.120 --> 0:04:37.040 you probably missed out, I think with my wife since 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:40.960 so I was gonna right before all that kind of exploded. 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:45.400 Cen hit some dating apps, Kevin, you've been married too long? Yeah, 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:49.719 I didn't do it. I'd ask a series of you 0:04:49.720 --> 0:04:52.160 guys dating app questions, all three of you, yes or no, 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.159 like just gonna want to get down? Have you gone 0:04:56.160 --> 0:05:00.080 on dates from dating apps? Yes? Yes? Yes? Hey? Have 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:04.200 you developed a boyfriend slash girlfriend through a dating app? 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:14.440 Meet up? Yes? Yes? Okay, um short series. Yes, this 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.320 guy's like he thinks farmers only as full of posers. 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.159 But rut won't be because you've got to answer. To 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:24.359 get your profile up, you have to do a flash 0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:28.400 app based session of meat eat or trivia and score 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:32.920 a certain threshold to be on RUT. Then when you 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:35.040 hook up on RUTT, you'll know that you're hooking up 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:38.240 with someone who like has some idea what they're talking about. Well, 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:40.440 there's one in that's kind of phill would not be 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:43.520 able to eat, would not. I was gonna say, there's 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:46.160 one in kind of the celebrity sphere called Ryan or 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.200 they have administrators that have to like approve you, like 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:51.839 are you famous enough? Are you looking out? So you 0:05:52.600 --> 0:06:00.880 could be the administrator for Rutt, you know you I 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:04.680 would get too jealous, man, because I'd be like I'd 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:06.560 be like, oh my god, this app is so good, 0:06:06.640 --> 0:06:10.880 I can't use it. Everyone in Bozeman pretty much claims 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:14.919 to be an avid outdoorsman. Yeah, because that means anything nowadays. 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:17.440 That means you go skiing down. It's like you go 0:06:17.520 --> 0:06:19.600 up to Disneyland. You go up to Disneyland up the 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:23.840 road there and act like that's the outdoors. Uh, there's 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:28.000 another knock on that was so far out there, I 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.479 didn't even catch him, Like, I wonder what he's talking 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.120 about Steve and I are in the same boat. I 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:35.440 actually posted something like that on social media the other 0:06:35.520 --> 0:06:38.160 day and it got taken down. Instagram told me that 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:39.720 it was hate speech, and I was like, I can't 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:42.360 make fun of my fellow white people and their obsession 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:48.920 with skiing. You got, yeah, good, Yeah, what did you say? 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.240 It was like, I just landed in Bozeman. I was like, 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:53.800 let me tell you about white people. White people fucking 0:06:53.839 --> 0:06:56.080 love sliding down snowy hills. They can't get enough of 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.960 that ship. And they were like hate speech, Like that's 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:01.960 great that their police in that. Man. Yeah. I was like, 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:05.039 by the way, that was just like just so we're clear, 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:07.320 I didn't make like that is true what I said, 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:09.320 because when people bring up that, like if you're like 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.960 a white male, you're supposed to like just take it now, 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:14.600 you know. But I point out, but like, but I'm 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.120 hearing from people that we always oppressed that it's that 0:07:17.480 --> 0:07:20.800 it sucked. So why like, if it sucks so bad 0:07:20.840 --> 0:07:22.560 and you agree that it sucks, why should I want 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:25.240 to go Like you just told me it sucks. Yeah, 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:27.320 So I feel like you're setting me up to not 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:31.640 want to do it. You know. Yeah, so you guys 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:34.760 are all real quiet. Now, I'm just saying that I'll 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.240 take it. Send me a white person hate speech to 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:43.360 what I've heard. I have heard that being stereotyped against 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:46.040 is not good. Yeah, so yeah, I don't I don't 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:51.280 like go out of my way to get it. Uh, 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:57.400 and you one of our favorite individuals. Not yeah, I'd 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.920 say one of our favorite individuals. A pilot in Alaska 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:03.240 that I've been recently in contact with that is going 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:07.960 to take Jordan Budneye caribou hunting in August. When I 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:09.679 caught up to him, he was on a family ski 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:13.840 vacation and Girdwood, Alaska, and Steve and I were text 0:08:13.880 --> 0:08:16.440 and I said, yeah, we're gonna go cariboo hunting. He said, 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:19.120 love that guy, man, it's a real great guy. I said, yeah, 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:23.960 Avid skier too. He replied, bullshit. I said, no, he 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:26.560 was on a ski vacation. He's like, well, I thought 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:33.240 he was cool. Uh. You know, I don't know if 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.000 I want to get into this right now. You can't 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:37.640 give away the secrets are rut just yet. That's how 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.360 you're gonna The other thing is you got to have 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:43.080 a vailed hunting license to join nice doesn't matter what 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.920 state though, Yeah, could you have tears of that? Like 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.760 if you have five states, you really are in this group? 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:56.240 He got those superstars. Yeah, question to everyone's profiles real quick, 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:58.640 just to return. I know that people are probably real 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:03.199 sticking about. But what's the app for celebrities? Rya. That's 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:05.200 how that's how celebrities find each other is on an 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:09.040 app some of them. Yeah, I think you need to. 0:09:09.720 --> 0:09:12.720 I think you just need to talk their agents hook 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.280 him up. Yeah, So like you'd go on there and 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:17.400 there would be like I don't know, name of celebrity. 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:21.320 I don't know, Steve Ronella. You could probably get on. 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:25.840 Ryan didn't say you had to be an A list. 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:30.240 You could be a C, maybe even a D. Who knows. 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.520 Do you guys ever play that bar game big Buck Hunter? 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:36.839 Oh yeah no, but you know what I'm talking about, 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:41.600 ongoing dispute with my kids. Anyways, you know, it's like 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:44.040 you get enough matches and then it's like you're a 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:49.560 Hunter hero. My buddy Jimmy Dorn used to have a 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:52.520 pizza place in Seattle and said, I feel like I've 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:56.520 told the story how meaning Jimmy Dorn Matt Anyhow, he 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:58.720 had Buck Hunter in that pizza place, and we'd go 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:00.160 in there and you'd get my kids a role Old 0:10:00.320 --> 0:10:02.360 Quarters and I was like, dude, don't let him play 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:04.480 that game. Man, they just be in there playing that game. 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:08.400 He's just you just think it was funny. Upset me. 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:09.800 It kind of goes back to how you say, when 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:11.480 you're at a wedding, you always just kind of scope 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:13.280 out the guy. That's like, I'm gonna find the hunter 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:14.839 and I'm gonna talk to him for a while. I 0:10:14.840 --> 0:10:16.400 think Ry is sort of that, because you know, when 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:18.439 when your celebrity, I assume you just get a lot 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:22.920 of very like inauthentic conversations and interactions of people just 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.800 trying to sidle up to yet or you know, kiss 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:27.880 your ass. So I think Ryan is a kind of way. 0:10:28.000 --> 0:10:30.160 It's like an agreement like I'm sort of famous, you're 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:33.640 sort of famous. Let's get together and do whatever we 0:10:33.679 --> 0:10:41.360 want it. Uh, moving on here, here's uh, here's an 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:45.080 interesting thing. So we're a little late on this because 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:49.120 it's already happened Colorado Parks Wildlife. This is an interesting 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.360 issue because this comes up in this This comes up 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:52.600 in a lot of states and will continue to come 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.520 up in a lot of states. So feller named Trevor 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:02.199 is with a nonprofit advocacy and restoration group called Grasslands Unlimited. 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.960 They they submitted a petition the Colorado Parks and wild 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:15.240 Life seeking the legal reclassification of bison that cross from 0:11:15.320 --> 0:11:18.600 Utah into Colorado. Here's what that means. Well, let me 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:20.760 read the rest of his thing, and he such animals 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:24.520 right now are regarded as livestock and are not protected 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:27.320 by Colorado Parks and Wildlife regulations, mean they get shot 0:11:27.360 --> 0:11:31.720 almost immediately. Reclassification would protect the animals, allow them not 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:35.400 only safety once in Colorado, but also potentially an opportunity 0:11:35.400 --> 0:11:39.440 to repopulate their historic range throughout Colorado and perhaps even 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:43.160 expand fair chase, free range bison hunting opportunities. He's the 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:47.240 president of grass and Grasslands on liar, Let me unpack 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:57.559 this from it. Every animal there, every native land mammal 0:11:58.280 --> 0:12:01.920 in this country, can move from state to state and 0:12:02.080 --> 0:12:05.160 still be wildlife. If a wolverine cross the state lines, 0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:10.160 it's wildlife. Elk, moose, wolf, grizzy bear, black bear. It 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:13.200 can move across geopolitical boundaries and still would be Like 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:19.520 everybody would agree, it's wildlife. Somehow I get into this 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:21.960 a bit in my Buffalo book. Somehow it came to 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:26.079 be that not Buffalo. I think it was because at 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:28.600 one time they were so whittled down and the only 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:30.160 ones that were left, you know, we had like a 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:33.760 hunter of them. We're in captivity or or like closely 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:36.720 guarded that people like instantly got used to them all 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:40.160 being in one place in offense and they've never been 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:44.719 welcomed back on the landscape. But there was a time 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:48.199 when New Mexico had zero elk, Like elk were extrapated 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:51.600 from New Mexico. Right right, there's elk New Mexico. Now 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:54.640 if elk crosses from Arizona to New Mexico, he doesn't 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:59.000 cease being an elk. So it's just a weird hiccup. 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:03.000 And while life law what they're so, what this would 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:04.160 mean is you could have a you could have a 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:07.640 wild herd. Um Well, you know this, this happens. It 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:10.080 has all over the in place for a long time. 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:13.080 Bison leaving Yelsa National Park, they would step into Montana 0:13:13.160 --> 0:13:16.880 and immediately they would become the property of the Livestock 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:20.880 Department of Livestock. So here you have some free roaming 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:24.320 ones in Utah. But once they crawl, once they crossed 0:13:24.360 --> 0:13:28.079 into Colorado, Colorado doesn't have the capacity to manage their 0:13:28.160 --> 0:13:32.040 not the capacity. They're not legally able to manage them 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:39.200 as wildlife, so they fall into like arrant livestock. Um. 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:40.920 I think they should do away with all that stuff. Man, 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:44.640 it's real contentious. Do they become the property of the 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:48.440 landowner where they're occupying their land? If they would be 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:50.920 like the same way as if a donkey showed up 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:56.000 on your land. That happens all the time. Yeah, it's 0:13:56.000 --> 0:13:59.520 a weird deal. Like you could have I made his 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:03.840 point for it, Like you could have elk go from 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:08.040 Yellowsto National Park into national on one day and he 0:14:08.080 --> 0:14:10.240 could he could feasibly do this quite easily, go from 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:15.240 they also National Park into onto municipal property and say 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:21.640 gardener onto a dude's land, and gardner onto National Forest 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:29.240 onto a state section onto a fish wildlife from park 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:32.560 river access site and throughout the day that and then 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:38.800 and then into Wyoming. That'd be hard. Let's just say, uh, 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:42.600 that's some bitual a elk all day long. He was 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.840 a wild elk all day long. But we don't we 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:48.280 it's like for buffalo, we don't have it. So if 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:51.160 that so if like all the buffalo that are you know, 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.440 outside of like the t tons worked their way across 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:57.480 into Idaho or something like that, their livestock in Idaho. 0:14:57.720 --> 0:14:59.400 I don't know how live. I don't know how Idaho 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:03.360 runs it. I'm not sure what they do. Yeah, but 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:05.280 I think it has anything at all to do it 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:10.600 that they were not that they're not like pure blooded 0:15:10.680 --> 0:15:14.520 or whatever. There's a lot of like, there's a lot 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:18.400 of like argument, there's a lot of insincere arguments that 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:23.600 get thrown into it. So here, for a long time, 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:28.040 it was that bison were given a Eurasian livestock disease 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:37.400 called brucellosis. Okay, so cattle gave brucellosis to bison. Um. 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.480 Bison of often are often gunned down on even on 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:44.840 public land, under the auspice, under the idea that they're 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:48.200 gonna spread, they're gonna transmit brucellosis, and so the state 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:52.400 has If a state has brucellosis free status, they don't 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.440 have to test for brucellosis in cattle. But once there's 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:59.400 a brucellosis infection in a state, in some corner of 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:02.360 the state. The whole damn state has to go back 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:07.960 to brucellosis testing. That all sounds perfectly reasonable, except there's 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:11.680 a wrinkle in it. The alcohol have brucellosis and they 0:16:11.720 --> 0:16:15.000 move wherever they want, and elk intermingle with cattle. It's 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:20.520 just like a weirdo. Brucellois causes halfers to abort the fetus, 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:25.480 so like, but elk have it, and no one ever 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:27.840 suggested that they gunned down every elk across the state 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:32.040 lines because it's carrying brucellosis. So there's that. There's like 0:16:32.240 --> 0:16:35.160 the they're dangerous to you know, they'll now and then 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.760 kill something. They'll kill a horse or whatever. They go 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:41.840 through fences, which is legit. They just walk through fences, 0:16:41.920 --> 0:16:44.440 and that pisces people off. And the eat grass and 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:47.160 that pisces people off. Like those are the legitimate ones. 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.600 But people are often like acting like it's something else 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:55.440 that they're mad about. Got them. Um, if I had to, like, 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:58.400 if I had to do the uh, if I had 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:03.040 to crystal ball it, I would crystal ball that. In 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:12.840 twenty years they have they have greater acceptance. Here's my prediction, Like, 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:14.800 if I got to do a time capsule. I would 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:17.200 put a note in the time capsule that said, there 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:21.480 are more bison and you're hunting them more often. I 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:24.560 would put that into a time castle. Shouldn't I mean 0:17:24.600 --> 0:17:28.320 color out of his addressing this right now? But do 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:31.040 you see it being addressed on a federal level in 0:17:31.080 --> 0:17:36.320 the future they became the National Mammal But no, I don't. 0:17:36.400 --> 0:17:39.240 I think it's gonna be state by state, And there's 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:42.040 a lot of like it's all really you know, the 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:45.120 here in this state, there's a lot of conversation about 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:49.040 trying to restore a free roaming herd in the Charles M. 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:53.159 Russell in the CMR right and the refuge uh a 0:17:53.240 --> 0:17:55.119 lot of people that really pisces off a lot of 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:58.960 people for the reason of the fencing and grass competition, 0:17:59.160 --> 0:18:01.320 and people are looking, well, I lease some of that 0:18:01.359 --> 0:18:02.879 and I run my cattle on it. And now you 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:04.760 want to put like, now you're hoping to have like 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:07.400 eight nine thousand bison running around on what's that kind 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:09.680 of mean for my long term the long term viability 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.639 my grazing program. And so then you get people who 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:13.840 are just like, I don't like that because it just 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:17.480 sounds like something different and I'm doing good under the 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:21.240 current system. But my yeah, my time capsule is that 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:24.520 you'll be hunting, you'll have more opportunities to draw bison 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:26.800 tags in the future, and it will be more likely 0:18:26.840 --> 0:18:28.800 that you live in a state where the state regards 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.600 them as wildlife and not live stock. I wonder if 0:18:31.640 --> 0:18:35.440 somewhere like Texas, where you know, even Elker considered exotics, Like, 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:37.000 I wonder if you end up with bison there, if 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:39.720 they're going to become this non native and be you know, 0:18:39.800 --> 0:18:43.200 hunt hunted under a an exotic tag where you can 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:45.399 just hunt them year around, no bag limit, all that 0:18:45.440 --> 0:18:47.240 kind of stuff. I'd like, know what tech how Texas 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:49.359 handles it. The helps thing in Texas is crazy to me. 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:51.400 Then you're talking about a native animal and you're damned 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:53.680 you're talking about a native animal with with bison. But 0:18:53.720 --> 0:18:57.400 I would be shocked if Texas regards bisons livestock, regards 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.400 bison as wildlife. Yeah, even though some of the biggest 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:02.639 you know, some of the big hide hunters, the some 0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:06.200 of the biggest hide hunter slaughters around the Texas Panhandle. 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:08.880 I mean right now, Texas claims them as an exotic. 0:19:09.640 --> 0:19:12.640 They do because they'll have them on like these big 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:17.360 gas hunting ranches, and you know they're they're fair game, 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:19.280 just like anything else is. You don't have to have 0:19:19.320 --> 0:19:23.440 a specific tag form. You just have your general hunting license. Uh, 0:19:23.480 --> 0:19:26.679 and that's it. You can. What's what I find unfortunate 0:19:26.680 --> 0:19:29.919 about that is it was some players down in the 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:35.200 Texas Panhandle that were most instrumental in saving them from extinction. 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:41.679 Yeah mhm, here's the irony of it. Yeah, yeah, Buffalo, 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.159 this dude, Buffalo Jones and then like what's that that 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:46.480 property like the good Night Yeah, the good Night Ranch. 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:49.040 He was real instrumental in it. So they have kind 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:52.840 of have this legacy of you know, these reformed hide 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.760 hunters trying to save them, and it seems like you 0:19:55.760 --> 0:19:59.840 would honor that legacy with like regarding them as native wildlife. 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:06.080 Here's a here's the elk article out of Utah. That's interesting. Um. 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:07.719 I mean it kind of tells people what they already 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:11.320 know that when it's elk season, elk leave public land 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:17.080 and go on to private land. Yes, true story. It's 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:19.639 like one of those articles where you're like, you know, yeah, 0:20:19.800 --> 0:20:21.320 but it but it does put it and put some 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:27.119 numbers around it. In the Journal of Wildlife Management UM 0:20:27.200 --> 0:20:33.760 in Utah, Okay elk reduced by the middle of Right, 0:20:33.800 --> 0:20:37.160 by the middle of firearm season, elk had reduced their 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:44.200 use of public lands by on the private land UM. 0:20:44.240 --> 0:20:47.199 The herd returned to public land almost immediately after the 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:52.399 season ended, like they know. This is based on the 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:57.280 patterns of four elk with tracking collars in the Wahsatch range. 0:20:57.280 --> 0:21:01.720 Am I saying that right yunni mhm, the collars are 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:05.520 paying every thirteen hours. One of my said at twelve 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:11.640 maybe that maybe that actually hour saves a lot of battery. 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:17.680 I would have felt like, I don't know, man, interestingly, 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:21.080 because out of set it for noon and midnight. Yeah. 0:21:22.000 --> 0:21:24.200 I was talking to Garrett Long's dad the other day 0:21:24.520 --> 0:21:27.320 and uh, he was out hunting late season cows, which 0:21:27.359 --> 0:21:33.280 you can only hunt on private land in Montana. I mean, 0:21:33.320 --> 0:21:35.680 there's a few units that have public land late season 0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:37.760 cow hunts, but these that go like well into February 0:21:37.880 --> 0:21:41.159 mostly on private land, and they were dealing with the 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:44.560 exact opposite. He's like, I've hunted this spot during rifle 0:21:44.600 --> 0:21:47.240 season and those damn milk are always on the public now, 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:50.199 or they're always on the private. I have access to 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:53.280 the public now, and the elk were like literally three 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.200 days in a row hanging out like fifty undred yards 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:58.960 on the onto the public land and not on the 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:02.160 private where they could. They're smart, man, my old man, 0:22:02.240 --> 0:22:04.400 you taught about like they used to hunt geese back 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:07.840 when there weren't like any geese um in the fifties. 0:22:09.040 --> 0:22:11.320 They'd hunt geese in southern Illinois, and they hunt on 0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:13.840 these refuges that you couldn't Uh, this is probably still 0:22:13.840 --> 0:22:17.000 something this way you can only shoot till noon, yeah, 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:19.720 or whatever the hell was still that way. Yeah, he 0:22:19.800 --> 0:22:22.959 said that. Man, he says, at noon, you're packing up 0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:26.800 your stuff and they're pouring in. It was so like 0:22:26.800 --> 0:22:28.440 what they would normally do at a different time. Data 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:31.479 was pouring in as you're picking yourself up. When I 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:36.440 was down in Arkansas with Clay this January, we're hunting 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:41.800 public big famous public area that closes at noon, and 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:46.520 at like to a t at twelve oh one, the 0:22:46.640 --> 0:22:50.679 refuge all up in the air pouring into the public 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:54.560 timber like tens of thousands of ducks at twelve oh one. 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:56.960 Are like, okay, now it's time to go to the timber. 0:22:57.000 --> 0:23:02.720 Because the hunters are gone. It's unbelievable. Um, as we 0:23:02.760 --> 0:23:05.119 talked about that you have banded birds that are like 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:07.440 seventeen eighteen years old. It gives him a couple of 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:10.200 years to put it together. Well, you got to think 0:23:10.240 --> 0:23:14.119 that they do, you know. That was the thing that 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:17.159 was interesting to me about these elk the day after 0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:21.439 season moving back onto it. You almost wonder if that 0:23:21.520 --> 0:23:25.280 becomes ingrained in them, that they do understand the dates 0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:29.240 to some level. Or is it because they're like aware 0:23:29.280 --> 0:23:32.480 there's not pressure there today because that there's no human 0:23:32.480 --> 0:23:37.879 activity there today, or is it because they've learned the 0:23:37.920 --> 0:23:42.399 season dates by two weeks and they would wait until 0:23:42.440 --> 0:23:45.440 the trucks leave. Yeah, I think there's like indicators. Man. 0:23:45.440 --> 0:23:47.560 That's one of my favorite during stories is when he 0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:52.960 killed the standard? Did uh he took his skids to 0:23:53.040 --> 0:23:54.440 you or something there? I don't know what he took. 0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:57.679 And the standard is a giant, biggest ever killed on 0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:00.520 the Durn farm, but I don't know that. Yeah, he 0:24:00.600 --> 0:24:03.840 saw an area and when he went in there, he 0:24:03.880 --> 0:24:07.600 took his tractor in there and left his tractor running 0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:09.600 while he hung his sign, you know, or while he 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:12.120 hung his staying because he's like he just didn't want 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:14.120 to do any little like thing where they're like ship, 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:18.280 that's a weird truck. Yeah, I think that's a true 0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:20.800 Like we see that on my hunting property in Georgia, 0:24:20.840 --> 0:24:24.320 that they have a completely different reaction to the sound 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:26.159 of your truck than they do to even like you know, 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:28.480 you're like side by side, like the sound of the engine, 0:24:28.640 --> 0:24:32.159 like snow, completely different reactions. Snuggy is hardly bad night 0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:34.320 at a truck driving by. But if that truck slows 0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:38.159 down there gone quick, you see like that, Like I 0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:43.520 don't mind cars that are moving real fast. Yeah, they 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:46.000 tend to have something hanging out the window. Joy Today 0:24:46.040 --> 0:24:49.800 by Maggie Hudlow very on You're not up yet. I'm 0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:53.439 just telling it. I'm just doing interductions. Kevin Gillaspie, uh 0:24:53.520 --> 0:25:01.800 pills here, Karan Sean Weaver in the flesh yep. Hey, 0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:04.480 do you know how many um I should ask you 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:09.640 this question? Canada goose You know that Parker company? How 0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:12.680 many geese have to go into one of those jackets. 0:25:13.240 --> 0:25:16.760 I've been trying to figure that out. There's a there's 0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:23.080 a company in California doing hunter sourced down which is 0:25:23.080 --> 0:25:26.359 really cool. But because part of what miss me about 0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:29.040 Canada geese is a goose or whatever the park is. 0:25:29.280 --> 0:25:31.480 I guess Anderson Cooper has one of these damn things. 0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:35.399 What are they called Canada goose? They made this big 0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:37.440 thing out of how they're not putting real kyote for 0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:40.840 on the there's stuff like this year they're phasing out 0:25:40.880 --> 0:25:43.960 all for And I asked a buddy of mine who's 0:25:43.960 --> 0:25:47.400 a furrier, I said, how many how many fur how 0:25:47.400 --> 0:25:50.440 many fur roughs could Canada goose get off one coyote? 0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:53.399 He said three to five. But the best I can tell, 0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:57.480 there's twelve damn geese inside the jacket. It's it's probably 0:25:57.560 --> 0:26:00.399 even more than that. It's probably even And now I 0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:02.080 spent some time on it, and I put someone else 0:26:02.160 --> 0:26:04.040 on the question and she's like, man, it's really hard 0:26:04.080 --> 0:26:06.240 to figure out the answer. But I think about a dozen. 0:26:07.800 --> 0:26:09.760 So you got a dozen dead things in your coat 0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:11.880 in a fifth of a dead thing on the outside 0:26:11.880 --> 0:26:14.040 of your coat. Yeah, And they're getting rid of the 0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:16.360 dead thing on the outside of the coat. I need 0:26:16.400 --> 0:26:18.520 to I'm gonna call up that. I feel like the 0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:21.480 guys that like next time, next time I come on, 0:26:21.520 --> 0:26:23.760 I'll have that. I'm going to call that company in 0:26:23.800 --> 0:26:26.680 California because that's an interesting question. They're doing it with. 0:26:27.200 --> 0:26:30.119 So they've got all those refuges down in the valley 0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:33.639 out there, and hunters when they're done with their birds, 0:26:33.760 --> 0:26:36.439 they offer a plucking service. So they kind of have 0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:40.639 a cool double dip going on where uh, where hunters 0:26:40.640 --> 0:26:43.640 can bring the birds to them to get plucked. They 0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:46.320 charge them for the plug, but then they also get 0:26:46.320 --> 0:26:49.760 to keep the feathers. And yeah, they make pillows and yeah, 0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:52.119 my old man did a sleeping bag with his own feathers. 0:26:52.119 --> 0:26:53.760 But he said it was a pain in the ass. 0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:56.640 Oh yeah, he had bags and bags and bags them. 0:26:56.640 --> 0:26:59.080 Then they had like shampoo them. Yeah, they have to 0:26:59.080 --> 0:27:01.560 get rid of the big feathers, right and just try 0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:03.919 to keep the down. Yeah, he didn't suggest that he 0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:06.119 had trash bags full of feathers while he's trying to 0:27:06.520 --> 0:27:10.879 would like my own coat down at harvested myself. You 0:27:10.920 --> 0:27:12.199 know what else he did, man, And I don't know 0:27:12.240 --> 0:27:14.840 what happened to it. He had a he had remember 0:27:14.880 --> 0:27:16.800 like in the seventies, he'd wear like a business coat 0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:18.439 made out of leather with like a belt on it, 0:27:18.480 --> 0:27:22.600 and ship he had he had his own he saved 0:27:22.640 --> 0:27:24.800 all of his own deerskins and had his own buckskin 0:27:24.960 --> 0:27:30.200 business coat. That's pretty cool. Yeah, died black. That seems 0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:35.320 like I was like, that's a strong Yeah, you like 0:27:35.320 --> 0:27:38.720 a mega pimp because even got like the belt. But 0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:41.399 that's not you wouldn't be able to run around now. 0:27:43.119 --> 0:27:45.159 It would have a lot more personality than I have. 0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:49.560 You don't still have this jacket. I gotta find I 0:27:49.560 --> 0:27:51.080 don't know what happened to it last time I was home. 0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:55.320 I was trying to find. That would be awesome. Um, 0:27:55.480 --> 0:27:58.160 guy rode in with c w D, Like, this guy's 0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:01.400 interested in brainton. It's a really good segue there. I'm 0:28:01.440 --> 0:28:06.120 surprised that. Oh yeah, speaking of that buckskin jack, it's 0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:12.040 good to have it back. County is uh so Chronic 0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:16.480 wasting disease right concentrates in the nervous systems of animals, 0:28:17.040 --> 0:28:21.920 spine brain. He's like, man, what about brain tan? And 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:23.639 are you are you worried about I don't, I mean, 0:28:23.640 --> 0:28:25.800 I don't brain tan. But he's saying should a feller 0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:29.760 be worried about brain tanon with c w D uh 0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:36.760 so prevalent in America's deer herds. Hmm, it's just kind 0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:43.320 of obvious heffle finger. I don't think it's obvious. I 0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:45.920 don't think so. If you said to me, let's say 0:28:45.920 --> 0:28:49.640 you sat me down, you put a gun to my head, okay, okay, 0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:54.760 and you said listen, sonny, everyone little finger stuck out. 0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:59.240 You said you either eat that c w D infected 0:28:59.240 --> 0:29:05.360 dear meat or brain tan his hide. I would put 0:29:05.360 --> 0:29:07.840 my latex gloves on and brain tan that hide ten 0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:13.440 times over, ten times over. Hm. I'm imagining this person 0:29:13.520 --> 0:29:17.719 with the gun in that buckskin. I'm sure that's what 0:29:17.760 --> 0:29:22.760 this is all about. I want to understand why you 0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:26.960 think that way though, because you're directly handling the nervousness 0:29:27.000 --> 0:29:29.560 because I'm not ingesting them, and I got my latex 0:29:29.560 --> 0:29:34.560 gloves on and I'm not ingesting them, okay. And I'll 0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:36.920 put like a like a you know, like when you 0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:38.720 have a little kid and they have a passive fire 0:29:38.720 --> 0:29:41.640 and it's got that lip guard around it. I'll put 0:29:41.640 --> 0:29:45.880 one of those in, okay, to prevent stuff from getting 0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:48.239 in around my lips, looking super pimp. And I'll put 0:29:49.320 --> 0:29:53.560 mask laying around these days because I was one. What 0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:55.320 I was gonna do with a what I was gonna 0:29:55.320 --> 0:29:59.120 do with all my COVID man. So instead, Steve's immediately like, 0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:01.240 I need to go into those A don't like rave 0:30:01.400 --> 0:30:06.760 pacifier so that I can brains hand. I forgot about masks. 0:30:06.840 --> 0:30:12.920 I forgot. How sure your memory is forgot? It is like, 0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:14.720 what are people gonna do with those masks? I think 0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:17.240 it'd be sweet to make a goose down quilt on 0:30:17.440 --> 0:30:21.920 all your COVID masks, like so the little things together, 0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:26.239 old school Appalachian style, our goose season in two. Let 0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:28.880 me tell you so. So During points out that he 0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:32.160 don't eat deer meat that is cw positively Okay, helfle 0:30:32.240 --> 0:30:35.920 finger Crane brought it to hefflefinger. Helfle finger, James Helflefinger. 0:30:36.440 --> 0:30:52.960 Do we still have that helflefinger song? Uh? He says 0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:56.120 he wouldn't do it if it was positive or if 0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.520 it was untested. But if you had the deer and 0:30:58.560 --> 0:31:00.560 it was tested negative, which is do anything like if 0:31:00.560 --> 0:31:02.240 you have testing available to you, I don't care if 0:31:02.280 --> 0:31:03.800 you decided to eat it. I should say, I don't care. 0:31:04.240 --> 0:31:06.600 Even if you don't care, and they're going to eat 0:31:06.800 --> 0:31:11.360 c w D positive meat, And I'll point out no 0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:16.920 human has caught anything from deer yet. Yeah, people have 0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.680 eaten hundreds of thousands of pounds have infected deer meat 0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:23.160 and no one's gotten it yet. So if you're like, Wow, 0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:25.720 what are the chances I'll be the first and you're 0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:27.840 eating it? I would still encourage you to get it 0:31:27.880 --> 0:31:32.400 tested just so they can use it for Like, getting 0:31:32.400 --> 0:31:35.160 it tested doesn't mean that you're gonna pitch it, just 0:31:35.160 --> 0:31:39.040 getting it just so they can track infection rates. Yeah, 0:31:39.080 --> 0:31:41.240 which is a great segue into the next talking point, 0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:44.800 c w D mapping info or did I say that 0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:47.400 halfle Finger says if he got it tested and it 0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:51.160 was negative, he would brain Tan with it. I mean 0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:53.000 that's what I meant by the common sense part. Right. 0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.640 So we're harkinging back here to episode three oh seven 0:31:56.640 --> 0:32:01.560 talking about things that are not sexy to talk about. Um, 0:32:01.600 --> 0:32:03.520 and someone was mentioning how there should be a c 0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:06.200 w D, a single database where you can see all 0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:09.160 CWD stuff. I'm sure it's gotta be a million of them. 0:32:09.200 --> 0:32:14.120 I don't know. Uh. Matt Dunfie of the Wildlife Management Institute, 0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:19.040 who's been working on the software behind www dot c 0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:24.640 w D dash info dot org went public the other week. 0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:29.880 They don't mean like Public on Wall Street made available 0:32:29.920 --> 0:32:34.960 to the public the other week. Um hefflefinger. I don't 0:32:34.960 --> 0:32:36.640 if you don't play that thing all over again, Phil, 0:32:37.480 --> 0:32:52.880 why not? He says, It's long been the best source 0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:57.520 of c w D info. These new apps and maps 0:32:57.560 --> 0:32:59.400 on the website allow you to visualize a lot of 0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:03.040 great c e D information in a useful way. When 0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:05.240 there's a new state define c w D, it shows 0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:08.080 up here within twenty four hours or so. So it's 0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:11.920 good to have the site bookmarked. That's interesting, all right. 0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:15.680 If you live in Wisconsin, Um, you and you're looking 0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:20.520 forward to your tax return this year? How's that? That 0:33:20.640 --> 0:33:23.800 was like being out like a nightly news program Wisconsin. 0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:26.520 He's looking forward to their tax return sitting next to 0:33:26.600 --> 0:33:29.560 Jimmy fallon first might you might get an extra ten 0:33:29.600 --> 0:33:33.719 bucks if you got a wolf fee because those sons 0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:39.040 of bitches uh put wolves in the lower forty eight. 0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:42.640 They put them back on the E s A list. 0:33:44.400 --> 0:33:48.360 It's just unbelievable outside of the Northern Rockies, unbelievable that 0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:52.120 they would have done this, but they did it. You 0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:55.240 just can't win, man. In the political climate today, everybody's 0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:59.240 scroozy in some way or another. So, Wisconsin has a 0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:01.480 gift back every raise the application fee. So if you 0:34:01.520 --> 0:34:05.360 live in Wisconsin, you applied for fall wolf harvest permit 0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:08.920 or preference point, watch the mail because your ten boxes 0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:13.160 coming back to you and you get they'll restore all 0:34:13.200 --> 0:34:18.359 your wolf preference points. So when this gets sorted out 0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:22.279 and they get so that's sweet. Yeah, that's the whole 0:34:22.320 --> 0:34:25.520 preference points. When they get it sorted out, you'll still 0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:31.479 have your preference points. Yeahs. I hate to be that guy, 0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:36.000 but I'd love to know how many I'd love to 0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:38.440 know this change, Like how much money has to be 0:34:38.520 --> 0:34:41.879 spent in all this to refund everybody there? Exactly? That's 0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:43.840 what I was thinking. I was like, how much the 0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:48.279 ten bucks are we spending to refund ten months? Like yeah, exactly, 0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:54.839 and state they're gonna literally mail you a ten dollar 0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:57.879 chip like which then you'll be like, oh, that's great, thanks, 0:34:58.239 --> 0:35:00.239 And I'm that guy who has to physically get to 0:35:00.239 --> 0:35:01.600 the bank and be like I'd look to cash my 0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:05.120 ten dollar chip please. Who just who wrote on this document? 0:35:05.160 --> 0:35:11.360 Who who put that more titillating headline up there? Krens like, 0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:15.960 spin doctor, dude, there's an article because the study this 0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:20.160 surprises ship out of me. Meat consumption is positively associated 0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:24.319 with life expectancy, to which Crin's headline is vegetarianism might 0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:30.280 shorten your lifespan. It's like, in other words, this surprised 0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:31.719 me because all you ever do is read about all 0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:36.160 that stuff is killing you. Even though people I know, 0:35:36.640 --> 0:35:38.560 it's just like it gets a little complicated. People I 0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:40.680 know who are most like the people I know who 0:35:40.680 --> 0:35:50.280 are um like most strong, you know, like physically strong. 0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:51.840 I mean yeah, just like people that are like do 0:35:51.960 --> 0:35:57.920 crazy shit, eat burgers and stuff. But it's always like 0:35:58.080 --> 0:36:00.279 they're always telling you how bad it is. A team 0:36:00.320 --> 0:36:04.120 of scientists from Australia, Italy, Poland and Switzerland so a 0:36:04.160 --> 0:36:08.839 good Mix examine the association between meat intake and life 0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:13.120 expectancy at a population level. Based on ecological data published 0:36:13.120 --> 0:36:19.000 by the United Nations Agencies, it is estimated that twenty 0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:23.040 of human life expectancy is determined by genetic factors and 0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:29.800 is determined by environmental factors over the last fifty years. 0:36:29.840 --> 0:36:33.920 Although the associations between meat eating and illness are circumstantial 0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:37.760 and controversial, to some extent, they have prompted the spread 0:36:37.760 --> 0:36:41.200 of vegetarianism and veganism based on the exxumption that non 0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:50.640 meat diets provide more health benefits and diets that include meat. Um, 0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:53.000 if you do yourself favor and read Son of the 0:36:53.000 --> 0:36:57.879 Morning Star, okay uh. He talks about what happened at 0:36:57.880 --> 0:37:03.680 the Battle of Little Big Horn, and uh compared to 0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:08.920 the cavalry soldiers, the euro American, like the white cavalry soldiers, 0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:14.359 just in the diet they were on when they came 0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:20.440 up against these people who lived off bison meat. Um, 0:37:20.560 --> 0:37:25.560 they were astounded, like the Sue, the Agoal and Papa 0:37:25.560 --> 0:37:29.479 Su and the Northern Cheyenne. He describes those people going 0:37:29.520 --> 0:37:35.160 through the cavalry soldiers like a wolf through sheep. I 0:37:35.160 --> 0:37:38.600 mean there's huge there's a fighting people. Yeah. I mean 0:37:38.600 --> 0:37:41.839 there's a ton of information out there that you know, 0:37:41.920 --> 0:37:45.760 various aspects of uh, you know, a balanced quote unquote 0:37:45.760 --> 0:37:48.160 diet like grains for example, like that they have huge 0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:51.360 health related issues. So it's like all of these arguments, 0:37:51.400 --> 0:37:54.000 there's a counter argument for every single one of them, 0:37:54.040 --> 0:37:56.160 and some scientists has signed his name to the bottom 0:37:56.160 --> 0:38:01.480 of it. So Yanni might Yanni goes to my doctor, doctor. 0:38:02.920 --> 0:38:05.040 I appreciate everybody in our company's gonna go the same doctor. 0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:09.840 It's gonna be people. She took. Tell tell everybody what 0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:14.680 she told you. Yanni, you just overall everything. Oh just 0:38:15.000 --> 0:38:18.880 yeah that you know for forty year old, uh four 0:38:19.000 --> 0:38:22.400 year old white dud, a banner of health. So yeah, 0:38:23.040 --> 0:38:26.680 I saw Yanni eating eating uh liver, patte and bread. 0:38:26.880 --> 0:38:30.800 But he like laid down a very generous layer of butter. 0:38:31.719 --> 0:38:37.399 Yeah below primate. And he said, hey, man, I got 0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:40.520 it straight from the high end doctor. You're a doctor, 0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:42.839 my doctor that I can just do what I'm doing 0:38:43.360 --> 0:38:49.520 because I'm kicking he uh. It goes on to say. Moreover, 0:38:49.600 --> 0:38:52.880 it has been argued that vegetarianism and veganism form a 0:38:53.000 --> 0:38:57.400 part of trendy Western consumers lifestyles only accessible to privileged 0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:01.640 white people. Vegetarian has been prevalent in Western countries has 0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:04.600 been subject to prejudice, low self what's this all now? 0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:10.439 Vegetarian is that has been prevalent in Western countries has 0:39:10.480 --> 0:39:16.560 been subject to prejudice, low self esteem, and low psychological adjustment. 0:39:16.760 --> 0:39:19.560 I have no idea. I think we just needed I 0:39:19.600 --> 0:39:21.759 got tripped up on that one too, but I do 0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:25.360 think the next paragraph is worth saying that I got 0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:29.000 a lot of the studies that have been done that 0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:34.319 come out with the results that vegetarians, vegetarian lifestyle and 0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:39.040 diet is good for you, that they um, there's a 0:39:39.120 --> 0:39:43.080 lack of population representativeness and a failure to remove the 0:39:43.120 --> 0:39:45.440 influence of lifestyle in these studies. It's like when you 0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:47.840 see a statistic. I've ever seen a statistic that pet 0:39:47.880 --> 0:39:52.359 ownership makes you live longer, and I'd be like, well, 0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:57.200 pet ownership is associated with with being stationary and financially 0:39:57.200 --> 0:40:00.680 well off. That's like my click baby title. I'm like, 0:40:01.040 --> 0:40:05.319 exactly what was against in terms of science journalists, Yeah, 0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:10.279 it's a great title. It's like, uh, mansions are associated 0:40:10.320 --> 0:40:16.600 with long life. You know, these guys examine the overall 0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:20.040 health effects of of total me consumption in a hundred 0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:24.319 and seventy five countries. They did their they did their work. Yeah, 0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:27.839 that that's a that's pretty exhaustive. And I think that 0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:31.040 comments about that gets around the socioeconomic thing like if 0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:32.920 you're in a lot of meat, you probably have you 0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:36.879 probably have expendable income, and you probably seek healthcare or yeah, 0:40:36.920 --> 0:40:40.440 you're more likely to have money for healthcare. Yeah, theoretically, 0:40:40.440 --> 0:40:42.399 but by that same token, what they're saying, is that 0:40:43.000 --> 0:40:45.880 in sort of Western society, especially if you consider the 0:40:45.960 --> 0:40:50.160 United States, like like a vegetarian diet can be very 0:40:50.200 --> 0:40:53.320 cost prohibitive because like the vegans, because that's what I 0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:55.440 mean like that, and so I get the whole like 0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:57.200 low self esteem, all that kind of stuff. I think 0:40:57.200 --> 0:41:00.680 they're just making social commentary on the idea that it comes. 0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:04.480 It's just another form of elitism that that people want 0:41:04.520 --> 0:41:06.120 to try to do it, but then it escapes them 0:41:06.160 --> 0:41:08.080 because they don't quite have the right They don't live 0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:09.560 in the right town, they don't have enough money, they 0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:12.480 can't shop at the grocery store that the you know 0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:15.120 that's banging that drum like they can't because then it 0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:17.000 just drives people to all the other stuff, like I 0:41:17.040 --> 0:41:19.759 can't I can't just see regular spinach. I gotta buy 0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:22.440 this spinach instead, Like I just I think it's a 0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:25.200 slippery slope. It's kind of a big broadbrush stroke to 0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:30.359 say that, But I also understand that in our current society, 0:41:31.840 --> 0:41:36.960 advocating for vegetarianism also comes with a pretty like loud um. 0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:39.200 You know, what's what's the term that they use, like 0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:42.360 um that you're basically patting yourself on the back for 0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:46.000 it too, you know, and condemning everything else. Yeah, not 0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:47.880 to get too far into the weeds, but that's always 0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:50.320 been one of the things I like to talk about 0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:55.040 and bring up when when people are against, you know, 0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:57.719 everyone using meat as their source of protein, it's like, well, 0:41:57.800 --> 0:42:01.120 some places that's their only course of protein, right, Like 0:42:01.160 --> 0:42:04.360 they don't have access to you know, most of the world, 0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:07.200 well most of the world needs go right, Like they 0:42:07.239 --> 0:42:10.959 don't have access to There's there's a lot of misconceptions 0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:13.520 about the idea that we can just convert range land 0:42:13.560 --> 0:42:15.399 into farm land, you know, Like that's a whole other 0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:18.120 conversation that everybody thinks, like why don't we just plant 0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:21.560 vegetables there instead of cattle? Like you can't plant anything there, 0:42:21.560 --> 0:42:23.640 it's just a bunch of fucking rocks. Like the only 0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:25.680 thing that can be there cattle like that, When they 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:28.640 point out the inefficiencies of live stuff, it's like it's 0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:31.360 just it's I don't know, it's a wasted argument, and 0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:34.480 I think it's unfortunately now instead of it being an 0:42:34.520 --> 0:42:37.360 argument that's based purely on, you know, what's best for 0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:40.520 the environment or what's best for you health wise, now 0:42:40.560 --> 0:42:43.920 we've all like treaded into this world of what's best 0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:48.320 for your ability to sort of um commend yourself for 0:42:48.440 --> 0:42:51.440 doing the right thing all the time, like well, And 0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:53.600 I think it's also important to note that it's like, 0:42:54.040 --> 0:42:55.759 I don't think this study saying, you know, like these 0:42:55.760 --> 0:42:58.600 folks aren't eating. They're not eating sausage for breakfast, a 0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:01.920 hamburger for launch ake for dinner. You know. I think 0:43:02.000 --> 0:43:05.680 like optimal health is like an omnivore kind of way 0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:09.920 of eating. It's like eating balanced and eating like intelligently 0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:13.080 eating like what you have available. Like you said, some 0:43:13.120 --> 0:43:15.719 people eat goat, some people eat whatever they have. I 0:43:15.760 --> 0:43:19.040 think a lot of media is like feeding you this 0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:21.680 idea that like you're a good person if you're a vegan, 0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:24.960 and if you eat, you're a bad person. And I 0:43:25.000 --> 0:43:27.959 think it's important to have studies like this that are like, hey, 0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:31.560 you know, eating meat is healthy, Like having a diverse 0:43:32.120 --> 0:43:35.239 like plate is healthy. And I think I think that's 0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:38.960 kind of like a big takeaway is that like eating 0:43:39.360 --> 0:43:42.000 vegan is not gonna Eating vegetarian is not going to 0:43:42.080 --> 0:43:46.200 prolong your life anymore than than eating meat. You remember 0:43:46.200 --> 0:43:49.279 that guy we had on the claim that the only thing. 0:43:49.320 --> 0:43:54.799 He ate meat. I wonder it is like nose head 0:43:54.840 --> 0:43:57.920 to what is it head to tail? No? Yeah, like 0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:01.800 ate like ligaments. And he says that he doesn't need anything, 0:44:01.840 --> 0:44:10.080 but was itish fish value happiness? I love fried meat. 0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:12.719 That was his claim. He said, right where you're sitting 0:44:12.760 --> 0:44:15.239 right now, untild and laid out the claim anyway, And 0:44:15.320 --> 0:44:19.279 he was going on Instagram. He was pointing out that, uh, 0:44:19.320 --> 0:44:22.000 when they see these things like the consumption of meat 0:44:22.000 --> 0:44:25.120 being associated with all this and that heart disease and 0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:27.880 all that, he's like, well, that's not the meats fault. 0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:30.520 It's like how you go about it. Yeah, are you 0:44:30.560 --> 0:44:36.120 going to McDonald's right getting like the like triple cheeseburger, 0:44:36.680 --> 0:44:40.399 large fry and a milkshake. So then when someone comes 0:44:40.400 --> 0:44:42.640 and looks at the fact that like how often you're 0:44:42.719 --> 0:44:45.120 eating that diet and then they find those things, it's 0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:49.319 not untangling they're not. He pointed to number studies said 0:44:49.360 --> 0:44:52.600 it doesn't do a good job of untangling all these 0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:58.320 other like lifestyle choices and ancillary dietary choices by people 0:44:58.320 --> 0:45:00.600 who are eating meat with high frequency eat meaning like 0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:09.280 the breakfast sausage, burger, steak, fries, cream, spinach, crowd um, 0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:11.800 and that if you were just eating like boiled squirrel, 0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:15.400 you might not have the same right, Well, I mean 0:45:15.400 --> 0:45:18.040 that's yeah exactly. It's like not all meat is created equal, 0:45:18.120 --> 0:45:22.480 like nutritionally speaking, like the various species are completely different. 0:45:22.480 --> 0:45:26.200 And even then when you get to the difference between um, 0:45:26.239 --> 0:45:31.960 just kind of modern practices of raising animals from meat consumption. Nutritionally, 0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:34.799 they're very different today than they were even fifty six 0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:39.240 seventy years ago because of consumer demand for particular texture, 0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:42.160 particular flavor, particular tenderness, all these kind of things, and 0:45:42.200 --> 0:45:45.600 what goes along with that is an adjusted sort of 0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:49.320 nutritional value, you know, some some positively and some negatively 0:45:49.800 --> 0:45:57.320 speaking of fast food. Uh, Max Hm, Shawn's tight tight colleague. 0:45:58.600 --> 0:46:01.279 He the other day it was eating um. He was 0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:06.839 taking his wild turkey tenders and making an exact replica. Oh, 0:46:07.120 --> 0:46:08.799 what's that restaurant you He went to that one time 0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:13.640 for the first time, the famous chicken place, Chick fil A. 0:46:14.600 --> 0:46:17.000 He made. He makes an exact Chick fil A replica. 0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:20.279 They probably brine it and went like pickle juice or 0:46:20.440 --> 0:46:27.600 crack or something. Time. Yeah, yeah, he does, he makes. 0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:30.600 But he had he had his own bottle, and he 0:46:30.719 --> 0:46:32.799 like somehow came into a bottle of Chick fil A, 0:46:33.000 --> 0:46:36.640 like signature Chick fil A sauce everything else he's making himself. 0:46:36.960 --> 0:46:38.640 And then he dumped the Chick fil A s I 0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:40.719 watched meat two him. The some bitch never even said 0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:43.840 something like, hey, you want to bite? I was to me, 0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:48.839 to Megan, and the whole time he's eating I'm asking 0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:53.439 him a questions about it and stuff finished him, licked 0:46:53.480 --> 0:46:59.000 his fingers, fingers back upstairs, read the office lunch room area, 0:47:00.120 --> 0:47:04.200 out the room and give you the middle fingers, sumptuously 0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:07.120 licked his middle finger and walked away. Yeah, but that's 0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:10.680 because he looked at your like socio economic place in 0:47:10.760 --> 0:47:16.440 the world, and he thought, he's like, I know what 0:47:16.560 --> 0:47:20.520 that dude's freezer looks like there's fifteen species in there. 0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:34.160 We need to We're gonna buy the what is it, actually, 0:47:34.200 --> 0:47:38.040 Warner Bruntler. What is it Warner Brattler, Yeah, Warner bratt 0:47:38.280 --> 0:47:40.080 We're gonna buy a Warner bro If so, if you 0:47:40.120 --> 0:47:42.239 work at the place that makes the Warner Bratler Sheer 0:47:42.239 --> 0:47:45.400 Force test, this is a wonderful integration marketing opportunity for you. 0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:47.680 If not, we're gonna buy our own. We're gonna buy 0:47:47.680 --> 0:47:50.040 our own sheer Force tests, and we'll start right here. 0:47:50.040 --> 0:47:55.520 We'll just start testing everything. Start with this table. I'm 0:47:55.560 --> 0:47:58.200 starting with a marshmallow. Yeah, there you go. Just to calibrate. 0:47:58.239 --> 0:48:00.239 I'm gonna do a marshmallow. Then we're gonna do hunk 0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:03.319 of adad shoulder, and then we'll explore every game meat 0:48:03.360 --> 0:48:05.640 in between. Yeah, that's a pretty wide gamut, I would 0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:08.239 say between the two of this. Dude, I can't all right, 0:48:08.400 --> 0:48:09.640 I don't know if I don't know if you did 0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:12.200 the marshmallow, the electric griddle is just gonna melt the marshmallow. No, 0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:14.200 just punch it without cooking it, Okay, I got you. 0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:17.399 Just for uniformity when they do it. Yeah, they put 0:48:17.440 --> 0:48:19.520 like these they put like a digital thermometer in a 0:48:19.520 --> 0:48:22.160 piece of meat. They don't season or anything, and you 0:48:22.200 --> 0:48:24.720 cook the piece of meat to like whatever you're testing, 0:48:24.760 --> 0:48:27.120 so you get all the one thirty whatever the hell. 0:48:27.560 --> 0:48:28.840 Just just make up your mind what you want it 0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:32.279 to be, and then punch it. We can punch raw too, 0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:36.000 we should punch cooked, punch cut completely. But the marshmallow 0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:37.960 just to be like for instance, everybody knows what the 0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:40.480 marshmallows like, and we'll hit it with the machine and 0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:43.920 it'll get like a five, probably probably a one. Get 0:48:43.920 --> 0:48:45.880 a one, like okay, there's a one. And then we'll 0:48:45.920 --> 0:48:48.759 do like your hand, we'll do cheat loaf bread that's 0:48:48.760 --> 0:48:53.000 even more tender than a marshmallow, like white bread. A 0:48:53.000 --> 0:48:55.080 little chunk out of the fatty A little chunk out 0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:57.880 of the fatty part of your hand, for instance, within 0:48:58.160 --> 0:49:02.759 within meat right within, eat the white tailed dope backstrap. Yeah, 0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:06.160 most likely everybody will agree that, yes, this is tender. Also, 0:49:06.200 --> 0:49:09.040 we gotta get it to a uniform thickness. Can can 0:49:09.080 --> 0:49:11.560 you make sure it's got a user's manual when I've 0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:16.040 got it like an owners right here? This is right, 0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:21.040 This is like right in my wheelhouse, like maybe in Manhattan, Kansas. Contact. 0:49:21.600 --> 0:49:24.680 I believe everything I hear out of cans. Alright, alright, 0:49:24.680 --> 0:49:26.640 so we'll get that take it. You'll hear more. You'll 0:49:26.640 --> 0:49:28.399 hear more about this test, because this is gonna be 0:49:28.480 --> 0:49:31.440 this is gonna be a return. Oh uh, get some 0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:40.360 lab coats. Yeah, yeah, we probably need badges too. That 0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:43.920 way we look, you know, like we're serious. Yeah, can 0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:46.800 we can? We just can we go with some salt 0:49:46.800 --> 0:49:48.680 and pepper so that we can eat it after you 0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:53.279 get some salt and pepper too. We gotta be yeah, 0:49:53.320 --> 0:49:55.040 we gotta be careful with the salt and pepper because 0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:59.560 it will adjust the tenderness. Well, season, we'll season well season, 0:49:59.600 --> 0:50:04.520 We'll tell Okay, you test slice season just a little, yes, 0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:07.239 all that. The main thing is the test. Though, this 0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:11.120 is getting serious. No, I got the guys need a 0:50:11.200 --> 0:50:13.960 really good digital scale because we want to have each 0:50:14.000 --> 0:50:16.240 of these pieces scaled to the same size and already 0:50:16.239 --> 0:50:19.240 have a good well no, it's you got a caliber, 0:50:19.280 --> 0:50:22.840 but I have a good caliber. I got a digital caliber. 0:50:23.600 --> 0:50:25.000 We can even do it metrics and then it will 0:50:25.000 --> 0:50:27.440 seem like really serious. Yeah, well, of course it's science, 0:50:27.480 --> 0:50:34.000 you know, like you know, yeah, away, I always like like, 0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:38.120 I'm like I'll buy that, Like I don't know two miles. 0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:42.920 I'm like, Okay, I'm like, damn, some buch Merry measured 0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:47.239 it in preparation from my home to Latvia. I'm now 0:50:47.280 --> 0:50:53.239 shooting all my critters in meters. Hey, speaking of me, 0:50:53.360 --> 0:50:56.000 can I give Kevin my meat so we can get 0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:59.680 this cooler off the table. Let's let's try. Let's try 0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:07.000 but with a different lead in perfect you perfectly right there. 0:51:07.560 --> 0:51:14.320 I like it. So that's a yeah, what's in the cooler? 0:51:15.000 --> 0:51:18.200 A little something for Kevin secret? I can't tell you. 0:51:18.480 --> 0:51:20.800 It's actually to a wild turkey Chick fil A Sandwiches. 0:51:23.320 --> 0:51:28.000 There is wild turkey, Maggie Smith asked me to. She 0:51:28.160 --> 0:51:32.720 reached out on email. So Kevin needs a wild turkey breast, 0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:36.680 and man, I gotta say I hesitated when I saw that. 0:51:36.680 --> 0:51:41.200 That's everybody there, but that's my favorite. So you understand 0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:43.279 what a big ask that is. I can return it, 0:51:43.520 --> 0:51:46.520 just I need like another month, Like our season isn't 0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:48.479 open yet, we don't have a spring and fall season. 0:51:48.520 --> 0:51:50.319 We just don't need to return it. You're just you're 0:51:50.400 --> 0:51:53.960 lucky that not only I a good turkey hunter, but 0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:56.759 my wife is getting to be pretty good too, And 0:51:56.840 --> 0:51:59.839 so we've got like we're stat were we always get 0:51:59.840 --> 0:52:02.560 really close to double digits in in the freezer, and 0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:04.680 there was enough sitting in there where I felt like 0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:06.920 I could, you know, I want to hear at a 0:52:06.920 --> 0:52:09.080 different time. I want to hear more about the experiment 0:52:09.120 --> 0:52:11.439 of whether raising these turkeys has made you a better 0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:16.919 turkey hunter. Like we talked about dude, everybody in the house, 0:52:17.360 --> 0:52:19.560 everybody at my house right now, I could call it 0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:26.640 turkey turkey, I mean, because those are galable, because I 0:52:26.680 --> 0:52:31.080 haven't gotten to that yet, because the major pitfall with 0:52:31.200 --> 0:52:33.640 having birds around the house is that if you let 0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:37.239 them run around, there's a bird, whether it's chickens or 0:52:37.360 --> 0:52:41.160 turkey ship everywhere, and the turkeys are much more. It's 0:52:41.160 --> 0:52:44.680 an insidious dropping too. Yeah, like you don't know it's there, 0:52:44.840 --> 0:52:47.400 but yeah, and you think that just like, oh, you 0:52:47.440 --> 0:52:49.600 just take the hose to it, but it doesn't just 0:52:49.680 --> 0:52:51.759 like disappear at the hose. It always leaves like a 0:52:51.800 --> 0:52:54.400 little mark and you gotta deck brush it, you know. 0:52:55.200 --> 0:52:57.239 So they've been kind of locked up. But even then, 0:52:57.520 --> 0:52:59.480 when you walk out of our house, they're right there 0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:02.120 looking at forty yards away. And every time you walk 0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:04.840 out there like and so what do you do? You 0:53:04.880 --> 0:53:09.040 go right back at him, and it's like everybody does 0:53:09.040 --> 0:53:11.359 it without even thinking about it. My kids walk out 0:53:11.400 --> 0:53:15.839 the door, the turkeys go and they're like, I haven't 0:53:15.840 --> 0:53:17.719 called my wife, dude it this morning. I'm in the 0:53:17.719 --> 0:53:19.640 house like getting ready to the kids out, and she 0:53:19.760 --> 0:53:21.680 ran out to do something. I can hear out there. 0:53:24.280 --> 0:53:28.120 So yes, I think it's even though we haven't like 0:53:28.280 --> 0:53:30.960 actually played with calls and the turkeys yet and like 0:53:31.000 --> 0:53:32.960 trying to call him across the yard or anything. I 0:53:33.000 --> 0:53:39.719 feel that people are listening to cadence tempo, pitch um, 0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:43.440 you know, number of notes that they're doing, so it's helping. 0:53:43.560 --> 0:53:46.280 We had an episode long ago. I think the episode 0:53:46.280 --> 0:53:50.200 was called The Bronze Back and the Whiffleball Bat, and 0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:54.120 it was about this guy, guys U Buddy bars Um. 0:53:54.200 --> 0:53:55.880 He grew up with turkeys and he used to be 0:53:55.880 --> 0:53:58.440 a competition turkey caller. Natural what they call it, like 0:53:58.480 --> 0:54:01.359 no call right natural boys? Boy? Oh yeah, just voice calling. Yeah. 0:54:01.680 --> 0:54:04.040 When he was a kid, he had turkeys and he 0:54:04.080 --> 0:54:09.359 would hide with that whiffleball bat. We wait, Well, that 0:54:09.440 --> 0:54:13.080 came about because the tom, that tom became too easy 0:54:13.120 --> 0:54:16.640 to call in, so he would Yeah, so he would 0:54:16.719 --> 0:54:18.439 call that time in and hit it with a bat 0:54:20.800 --> 0:54:24.200 would become so the time would become like less likely 0:54:24.239 --> 0:54:26.759 to want to come in, and so he was he 0:54:26.880 --> 0:54:31.799 was like making like a high pressure tom. This guy 0:54:31.840 --> 0:54:36.759 is a good calling dude. This dude out sircule hunt 0:54:36.760 --> 0:54:38.759 with him one time. Man, we get up on this. 0:54:38.800 --> 0:54:41.800 We're in this danse like like just you know, oak 0:54:41.920 --> 0:54:45.040 forest and it's real sandy soil. And we get up 0:54:45.040 --> 0:54:47.480 on his high spot in the middle of the day, 0:54:47.680 --> 0:54:53.400 right and he gets up there and sets to calling 0:54:53.719 --> 0:54:58.040 just soft you know, and um, nothing, nothing, nothing, but 0:54:58.120 --> 0:55:01.479 that dude just knew, like he knew that he would 0:55:01.480 --> 0:55:05.440 get an answer, and he eventually just like squeezed it 0:55:05.520 --> 0:55:07.879 out of a turkey. He went to add it way 0:55:07.960 --> 0:55:10.280 longer than if you're just doing like a sound check. 0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:14.279 He's so kind, he's like, he's like, you know, just 0:55:14.280 --> 0:55:15.920 give me a minute or whatever. I don't know. Six 0:55:16.000 --> 0:55:17.960 seven minutes into it, you can hear some turkeys. This 0:55:18.160 --> 0:55:19.480 turkey out was like, I'm not gonna do it. I'm 0:55:19.520 --> 0:55:21.880 not gonna answer. I'm not gonna answer. I'm not gonna answer. 0:55:22.000 --> 0:55:25.120 I'm not gonna answer. I like, but you just couldn't 0:55:25.160 --> 0:55:29.319 hold it in. Man, that's great guy. Hey, do you 0:55:29.440 --> 0:55:32.239 already have plans for that turkey breast? We do, Yeah, 0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:34.799 we're gonna do well. So we had we were gonna 0:55:34.840 --> 0:55:37.239 do two different dishes with it, but we're gonna see 0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:40.200 if we have enough. So one is called a gone Schnitzel, 0:55:40.320 --> 0:55:44.279 like it's a German dish. And then the other is 0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:49.240 because Maggie Um, not Maggie Hudlo, Maggie Smith is filming 0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:52.120 these Marge March. Yeah, Marge, and I wanted to kind 0:55:52.120 --> 0:55:54.400 of give her a Midwestern tribute. So we're doing turkey 0:55:54.440 --> 0:55:59.919 tetrazini like the old school mom dish. Nice. It's gonna 0:55:59.920 --> 0:56:02.520 be good, just done a little bit better. I like it, 0:56:02.560 --> 0:56:04.759 and that will be on an upcoming episode. So this 0:56:04.800 --> 0:56:06.480 one isn't for me to cooks. It's just sort of 0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:08.760 our you know, we do these like standing store videos. 0:56:09.080 --> 0:56:13.360 Mostly it started with just trying to help people decipher recipes. 0:56:13.400 --> 0:56:15.320 Like you you quickly learned that people can read a 0:56:15.360 --> 0:56:19.520 recipe all day long, but still not quite digested. And 0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:22.520 so even just a short video five minutes or less 0:56:22.520 --> 0:56:24.399 that kind of goes over some of the points that 0:56:24.440 --> 0:56:27.120 maybe you're foggy for. People like changes their success rate. 0:56:27.320 --> 0:56:32.400 And so what I've learned over the years is that people, um, 0:56:32.480 --> 0:56:35.040 if you make them more successful with the recipes that 0:56:35.040 --> 0:56:37.440 you're providing them, then they kind of we'll they'll come 0:56:37.480 --> 0:56:38.839 back a lot more, but they'll come back and look 0:56:38.880 --> 0:56:41.919 for other stuff. And so we've kind of exhausted our 0:56:42.040 --> 0:56:44.200 like top twenty five recipe lists. So now these are 0:56:44.239 --> 0:56:46.640 all brand new recipes and we're just you know, filming 0:56:46.640 --> 0:56:48.360 them for the for the sake of filming them. So 0:56:48.400 --> 0:56:50.680 we're gonna make sure everybody how to make a holiday 0:56:50.719 --> 0:56:54.440 ham out of Ferrell hog. Um, we're gonna do this 0:56:54.440 --> 0:56:57.120 this either the Schnitzel or the tetrazine. Let's back up, 0:56:57.200 --> 0:57:00.360 that holiday ham out of Ferrell hog. Yeah. So like 0:57:00.480 --> 0:57:02.960 not like three three inches of fat on that thumb, bitch, 0:57:02.960 --> 0:57:06.080 but like a fair completely like almost completely fat free. 0:57:06.200 --> 0:57:09.399 And you're doing like a wet Brian or dry wet Brian. Yep, yep, 0:57:09.680 --> 0:57:11.719 like a ten day wet Brian. It's what we use 0:57:11.760 --> 0:57:14.520 in my restaurants like to make them. Um, they come 0:57:14.560 --> 0:57:17.600 out awesome, man, They're really good every holidays. Yeah, not 0:57:17.640 --> 0:57:20.000 like a dry ham. No no, no, Like, um, you 0:57:20.040 --> 0:57:22.360 know where I'm from, Like there's the we call it 0:57:22.440 --> 0:57:24.960 city ham. I don't I don't know why that's the case, 0:57:25.040 --> 0:57:28.680 but the difference between country ham and sy ham. Um, 0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:31.280 so city ham, you know, like honey baked ham. Honestly, 0:57:31.280 --> 0:57:37.560 Like that's a yeah, yeah, it's from from some pigs 0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:39.560 that I killed last week or the week before. So 0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:41.440 I had my wife shipped them out here to me, 0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:43.320 so they should be. They're probably here right now, like 0:57:43.320 --> 0:57:44.720 they probably just got here. So I just got an 0:57:44.760 --> 0:57:46.160 email from a friend of mine who was a little 0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:49.200 torn up because she had gone. She doesn't really know 0:57:49.320 --> 0:57:51.720 much about hunting, but she's gone to Texas with some 0:57:51.760 --> 0:57:54.720 guys to go shoot pigs. Just ditched all those pigs, man. Man, 0:57:54.800 --> 0:57:56.840 It's she's kind of bumped because she wanted to keep somebody. 0:57:56.840 --> 0:57:58.520 No one even wanted to help her keep them. It's 0:57:58.560 --> 0:58:01.840 it's really bad. Actually, we we just finished filming the 0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:04.000 first episode of Sabre Tooth, of our new show, and 0:58:04.240 --> 0:58:06.080 pigs is like the species that we hunt in the 0:58:06.120 --> 0:58:08.680 beginning of it, and we talked about that a lot. 0:58:09.000 --> 0:58:10.640 Like there's a lot of I don't know, there's a 0:58:10.680 --> 0:58:13.160 lot of bad information out there about how they're not 0:58:13.280 --> 0:58:15.600 good to eat, which is couldn't be further from the truth. 0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:18.000 It's weird because you have on one hand, you have 0:58:18.160 --> 0:58:22.560 like award winning restaurants, right, you know, like like our 0:58:22.640 --> 0:58:26.040 mutual friend Jesse Griffiths, right right, he's running a damn restaurant, right, 0:58:26.360 --> 0:58:29.560 like gets all these like rave reviews. The dudes got 0:58:29.600 --> 0:58:31.959 like a he got did. Did he went a Beard 0:58:31.960 --> 0:58:33.880 Award for a book or something he did? I mean 0:58:33.880 --> 0:58:38.120 he's been nominated for his for his books off wild Pigs, right, 0:58:38.840 --> 0:58:40.760 But then you got some guy five you know, five 0:58:40.760 --> 0:58:45.400 feet away, Yeah, like restaurant. I mean, I literally, I 0:58:45.400 --> 0:58:47.640 mean I was listening to hunters say it to me 0:58:47.800 --> 0:58:49.520 the other weekend we were all hunting together. They're like, 0:58:49.760 --> 0:58:51.320 you don't want to eat that? And I'm like, I 0:58:51.320 --> 0:58:53.560 eat them all the time. I would rather eat them 0:58:53.560 --> 0:58:56.200 than white tailed deer. I mean personally, I think they're 0:58:56.200 --> 0:58:59.880 a hell of a lot more delicious than that. So, um, yeah, 0:59:00.040 --> 0:59:02.160 they make great stuff. We make tons of cool stuff 0:59:02.280 --> 0:59:04.920 out of it. So and it's just about understanding. And 0:59:05.040 --> 0:59:08.000 Jesse's newest book, he does an awesome job of breaking 0:59:08.000 --> 0:59:12.320 the hog book. The hog books the best in my opinion, 0:59:12.320 --> 0:59:15.520 It's the best single subject cookbook I've seen in the 0:59:15.600 --> 0:59:18.520 last decade. Like I don't have like the hog experience 0:59:18.560 --> 0:59:19.960 that you have. I mean, I have, like you know, 0:59:20.200 --> 0:59:23.120 here and there a handful of ones that I've dealt with, 0:59:23.240 --> 0:59:24.840 but I haven't dealt with like like you guys deal 0:59:24.880 --> 0:59:27.240 with like tons of them all time. So I can't 0:59:27.240 --> 0:59:29.640 say with you know, I can't be like a hog expert. 0:59:29.720 --> 0:59:31.800 But I mean, I can't imagine there's something out there 0:59:31.800 --> 0:59:34.960 that even remotely compares to that book, Not not at all. 0:59:35.040 --> 0:59:38.560 I mean it's it's seriously unbelievably well done, and that 0:59:38.640 --> 0:59:43.320 dude's developed like indisputable subject matter expertise where you really 0:59:43.680 --> 0:59:47.240 you probably can't. I mean, maybe somewhere it or someone 0:59:47.280 --> 0:59:49.400 that knows more. I don't know, man, I mean I 0:59:49.440 --> 0:59:51.800 text Jesse about it, like I've killed a ton of 0:59:51.800 --> 0:59:53.800 hogs and no how and no my. I mean, I 0:59:53.840 --> 0:59:56.640 wrote a book on pork, you know, a cookbook on it. 0:59:56.760 --> 0:59:59.280 But even I text Jesse sometimes with questions about just 1:00:00.040 --> 1:00:01.640 you know, I killed one that was really big, and 1:00:01.680 --> 1:00:03.760 I was curious because it did have a ton of fat, 1:00:04.120 --> 1:00:07.520 if we could scald it and you know, scrape the 1:00:07.560 --> 1:00:11.479 hair and actually keep the skin intact. Yeah, we tried 1:00:11.520 --> 1:00:16.320 that once, That's right. I can't remember we had in 1:00:16.360 --> 1:00:18.760 New Zealand. Were good? I thought we did with that 1:00:18.800 --> 1:00:21.280 hog we got in Florida. Remember we kept that big 1:00:21.360 --> 1:00:23.480 Yeah we scraped it right there. Oh yeah we made 1:00:23.480 --> 1:00:27.000 our own. Yeah we made cheat your own as well. 1:00:27.080 --> 1:00:29.720 Here's uh, yeah, you know what else we did down there? 1:00:30.160 --> 1:00:33.040 We made our own sausage casinges. Oh yeah, cool. That 1:00:33.080 --> 1:00:35.920 ain't easy. No, that's some work. We took all that 1:00:35.960 --> 1:00:37.400 hog got out. But that was the hell of a 1:00:37.520 --> 1:00:41.440 night that night. Indeed, you want to talk about a 1:00:41.480 --> 1:00:45.720 fight between some dogs and a raccoon. Yeah, a lot 1:00:45.800 --> 1:00:48.280 of things happened before the fight with the dog and 1:00:48.360 --> 1:00:51.480 the hog. I want to real quick just give a 1:00:51.520 --> 1:00:56.320 recap of that you skipped there. I've talked about this, 1:00:56.360 --> 1:00:58.200 I'm gonna talk. I'm gonna tell a real quick recap 1:00:58.200 --> 1:01:02.480 of this night. We're down turkey hunting, hunting for Osceola's 1:01:02.560 --> 1:01:08.040 you know, you still gotta get right, uh, and we 1:01:08.120 --> 1:01:11.240 ran into these guys. Is the guy that owned we're 1:01:11.280 --> 1:01:13.800 out of place where there's like a dude that least 1:01:13.840 --> 1:01:17.520 the turkey hunting rights on a place. But then the 1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:19.880 actual guy that owned the place, we run into him, 1:01:19.960 --> 1:01:22.439 and they're pouring up some big stiff drinks heading out, 1:01:23.920 --> 1:01:25.560 you know, like those uh when you go to like 1:01:25.720 --> 1:01:30.520 uh seven eleven big gold yeah, big gold size cocktails. 1:01:31.400 --> 1:01:33.280 And they're going out in a swamp buggy to go 1:01:33.440 --> 1:01:37.160 hunt pigs. And this guy's ranch, his cattle ranch, a 1:01:37.280 --> 1:01:43.840 butts uh preserve, um like a preserved debt. It was 1:01:43.880 --> 1:01:46.160 dedicated to a certain species of bird. I can't remember what, 1:01:47.160 --> 1:01:52.680 but the no hunting on the preserve um and where 1:01:52.720 --> 1:01:56.240 his where his place has been like historically grazed by 1:01:56.240 --> 1:01:59.080 cattle is like those hammocks you know. So it's like 1:01:59.160 --> 1:02:02.920 it's grab it's fly grassland with hammocks of like palmetto. 1:02:03.920 --> 1:02:05.960 And then you go to this fence where it goes 1:02:06.000 --> 1:02:11.640 from traditional cattle country to preserve. It's like the jungle starts. 1:02:12.760 --> 1:02:15.880 I mean, if you look one direction, you think here 1:02:15.920 --> 1:02:18.000 in one like state or country. At every look the 1:02:18.080 --> 1:02:21.720 art directual, you think you're in another country. This border 1:02:21.760 --> 1:02:24.120 of like cattle and and and he's got a fence, 1:02:24.760 --> 1:02:28.440 but he's got doors cut into the fence. So when 1:02:28.480 --> 1:02:31.120 he's fixing to go hog hunting, they open those doors 1:02:31.120 --> 1:02:34.560 for a couple of days and all the pigs invade 1:02:34.720 --> 1:02:37.640 his ranch. So the first step is to go and 1:02:37.680 --> 1:02:41.080 close all the doors. Then you turn the dogs loose 1:02:42.040 --> 1:02:47.720 and guess where the pigs get caught? Yep, oh man fence. Yeah, 1:02:48.880 --> 1:02:51.560 they had a dog get caught real bad by a pig. 1:02:52.600 --> 1:02:55.000 And I asked him, what is your vet think about 1:02:55.040 --> 1:02:56.880 you bringing in all these dogs that are caught up 1:02:56.920 --> 1:02:59.919 by pigs, and he said it's my favorite quotever. He said, 1:03:00.040 --> 1:03:02.480 you gotta get a vet who likes the hunt hogs. 1:03:04.800 --> 1:03:07.240 We lost. We lost a dog on this last hunt 1:03:07.320 --> 1:03:09.920 on the saber Tooth episode. We had one to get 1:03:09.920 --> 1:03:15.000 Gordon and went down fighting, died with his boots on. Yeah, 1:03:15.240 --> 1:03:16.880 it was pretty gnarly. It was a big It's the 1:03:16.880 --> 1:03:19.520 biggest hog I've ever killed on that property, Like right 1:03:19.560 --> 1:03:22.560 at four killed dog? What ye was? Everybody was? Everybody 1:03:22.600 --> 1:03:26.160 upset about the dog, imagine. Yeah. And it happened so fast, 1:03:26.200 --> 1:03:28.080 like I saw him get cut right as I like 1:03:28.240 --> 1:03:31.160 jumped onto the pig to stab him. But I didn't 1:03:31.160 --> 1:03:33.000 realize that he gotten hit that bad. So and he 1:03:33.080 --> 1:03:36.160 just bled out, M dude, I don't know what it 1:03:36.240 --> 1:03:38.000 is that maybe you can answer this since you've done 1:03:38.000 --> 1:03:40.439 so much more hog hunting. I just did, like I went. 1:03:40.760 --> 1:03:42.120 It was in Texas a couple of weeks ago, and 1:03:42.120 --> 1:03:45.000 didn't my first ever like real personal hog hunting, right, 1:03:45.120 --> 1:03:47.640 not watching Steve do it or watching someone else do it. 1:03:48.240 --> 1:03:50.760 And every time I'd see him at a hundred yards 1:03:50.800 --> 1:03:53.520 and be like, oh ship, that's a giant. Oh god, 1:03:55.320 --> 1:03:57.320 I'm looking at Chris the camera guy, like I think 1:03:57.320 --> 1:03:59.080 it's gotta be over a hundred for sure, And that's 1:03:59.080 --> 1:04:01.960 where we're looking at the plus or minus a hundred range. Yeah, 1:04:02.480 --> 1:04:04.800 and we're like, okay, sweet, let's forget about nil guy, 1:04:04.920 --> 1:04:06.960 let's go try to get on this hog. And like 1:04:07.120 --> 1:04:09.480 I get to seventy, I'm like, yeah, still pretty big. 1:04:09.600 --> 1:04:12.240 Get to fifty, I'm like getting a little bit smaller. 1:04:12.560 --> 1:04:15.160 And when I'm at like thirty yards, I'm like, man, 1:04:15.320 --> 1:04:19.400 that hunter pounder turned into like forty fifty again, Like 1:04:19.800 --> 1:04:23.200 why is it? Because it's about why does everybody think 1:04:23.240 --> 1:04:25.520 every bear is big? Correct? And why do they think 1:04:25.560 --> 1:04:28.600 every mountain lion is a two pound tom? Yeah, it's 1:04:28.600 --> 1:04:31.760 the it's the dimensionality of of hogs. Like even little 1:04:31.800 --> 1:04:34.400 hogs are shaped the same as big hogs for the 1:04:34.400 --> 1:04:36.600 most part. Short of like like this one that we 1:04:36.680 --> 1:04:38.520 killed here, I pulled up the photos. You could see it, 1:04:38.560 --> 1:04:41.920 like you can get a sense of how big it was. Um, 1:04:41.960 --> 1:04:44.560 but this one had a ton of Russian born and 1:04:44.640 --> 1:04:49.520 so it was those are born in the wild. Yeah, 1:04:50.440 --> 1:04:55.200 that's not one of those hogs zillas where they exactly no. 1:04:55.280 --> 1:04:57.200 But I mean, honestly, on our property, you'll see a 1:04:57.200 --> 1:05:00.480 lot of ones that are clearly feral to me sticated 1:05:00.480 --> 1:05:03.680 hogs and there it's pretty obvious they have a completely 1:05:03.680 --> 1:05:07.760 different shape, that's a different strain altogether. Remember that guy 1:05:07.760 --> 1:05:09.919 that turned up and he's got some eleven hunter pound 1:05:09.960 --> 1:05:12.560 wild hog and it's all over social media something like 1:05:12.880 --> 1:05:14.640 some too was like, hey, I just sold that guy 1:05:14.640 --> 1:05:17.600 that I know, the dude who sold in the hog. 1:05:18.000 --> 1:05:20.320 I was. Actually he's one of my buddies and we 1:05:20.320 --> 1:05:22.120 were hog hunting together and we were talking about that 1:05:22.200 --> 1:05:24.200 and he's like, I sold that guy the hog like 1:05:24.240 --> 1:05:26.600 the week before. In fact, he's like, here's a picture 1:05:26.600 --> 1:05:30.480 of it in my truck. Yeah. Yeah, this buddy of mine, um, 1:05:30.760 --> 1:05:33.080 he's the only person in Georgia who has a license 1:05:33.160 --> 1:05:36.360 for like live captive like Ferrell Hoggs like, and so 1:05:36.440 --> 1:05:39.640 he just sold that guy that pig. Hey, real quick, 1:05:39.640 --> 1:05:41.439 before we move on, we haven't mentioned all the things 1:05:41.440 --> 1:05:44.680 that happened at night. Oh okay, no, I they caught 1:05:44.680 --> 1:05:46.880 a pig that had they castraight. They caught a pig 1:05:46.880 --> 1:05:49.360 and castrated it and turned it back out, huh, which 1:05:49.400 --> 1:05:52.280 made the pig go from makes his mind off, he 1:05:52.320 --> 1:05:55.680 became a barred hog, and it takes his mind off 1:05:55.840 --> 1:05:59.480 ass and puts it on grass, as was explained to us. 1:06:00.280 --> 1:06:03.240 Then they caught another pig that they had castrated years 1:06:03.240 --> 1:06:08.960 gone by and kept that one m to eat. And 1:06:09.200 --> 1:06:11.200 we got to the pig and cleaned all of its 1:06:11.200 --> 1:06:14.000 intestines out and then inverted them and scraped them and 1:06:14.000 --> 1:06:17.800 made our own sausage cases. Was his labor intensive, and 1:06:17.920 --> 1:06:21.760 made our own cheech RNAs. When I was talking about Burnam, 1:06:21.800 --> 1:06:23.520 do you remember were you there in New Zealand when 1:06:23.560 --> 1:06:25.240 we had a We got a big ripper going and 1:06:25.400 --> 1:06:27.320 through the whole pig in there and then dumped into 1:06:27.320 --> 1:06:29.600 creek and scraped all of its hide off, all of 1:06:29.600 --> 1:06:31.720 its hair off. But I always talked about that episode, 1:06:31.720 --> 1:06:34.000 and I tell people that it is possible to film 1:06:34.040 --> 1:06:39.400 a whole meter episode in one day. No, you guys weren't. 1:06:40.360 --> 1:06:44.240 Maybe the hunting was done. What's up with the What's 1:06:44.240 --> 1:06:46.760 what's up with you being? Uh? Oh? Go ahead, Johnnie. 1:06:46.960 --> 1:06:50.200 I just was real quick, was gonna plug Jesse Griffiths 1:06:50.200 --> 1:06:52.200 one more time and say, if you're in Austin, definitely 1:06:52.280 --> 1:06:54.840 try to go to die due a yeah, and then 1:06:55.080 --> 1:06:57.200 if you're interested in the hog book. Go to the 1:06:57.480 --> 1:07:00.240 hogbook dot com. Yeah, and even if you're if you 1:07:00.320 --> 1:07:02.840 don't think you're interested in the hog Book, go buy it. 1:07:02.840 --> 1:07:06.160 It's unreal, Like it's so well done, and I mean 1:07:06.160 --> 1:07:08.680 this is coming from a professional chef like it is. 1:07:09.480 --> 1:07:11.120 I just think it's one of the most well written. 1:07:11.320 --> 1:07:13.400 Look right here, I'm on the front page. It says 1:07:13.440 --> 1:07:15.640 praise for the Hog Book easily one of the best 1:07:15.640 --> 1:07:19.320 cookbooks that I have seen in years, Chef Kevin Gillespie 1:07:19.440 --> 1:07:21.960 right there, he's not lying. I mean, I'm just I 1:07:22.000 --> 1:07:24.200 have multiple copies. I like give them out as gifts 1:07:24.240 --> 1:07:26.440 to people, Like I just bought like a case of 1:07:26.480 --> 1:07:29.040 them from Jesse And like anytime somebody's like I don't 1:07:29.040 --> 1:07:31.040 really know what to do with hogs, I'm like, hang tight, Like, 1:07:31.520 --> 1:07:33.760 just hand copy of this book. Phil, Are you going 1:07:33.800 --> 1:07:35.520 down to Texas with us? When we got down Texas 1:07:35.520 --> 1:07:43.000 pretty soon? We gotta get a reservation there? Have you 1:07:43.040 --> 1:07:47.720 told him? Have you gotten us a reservation? Yeah, let's 1:07:47.720 --> 1:07:51.160 talk to him. Um, so tell me about this whole 1:07:51.280 --> 1:07:55.840 uh semifinalists restaurant tour, restaurant tour. That's a hard word. 1:07:56.120 --> 1:07:59.520 Restaurant tour, restaurant tour um, the James Beard Foundation. So 1:07:59.560 --> 1:08:01.520 it's like the easiest way I can describe it is 1:08:01.560 --> 1:08:03.760 that it is the It's like the Academy Awards for 1:08:03.880 --> 1:08:08.080 the food and beverage hospitality industry. It's a really big deal. Um, 1:08:08.120 --> 1:08:11.040 I've been nominated. I think this is my tenth nomination. 1:08:11.080 --> 1:08:13.960 I'm like the Susan Lucci of of the James Beard Foundation. 1:08:14.000 --> 1:08:16.240 But you can't steal the deal. Now, I can't ever win. 1:08:16.439 --> 1:08:21.240 I just get nominated a ton, but like I mean, yeah, yeah, 1:08:21.280 --> 1:08:23.759 and I don't. I'm not like a really good loser, 1:08:24.040 --> 1:08:26.240 so I have a tendency when I don't win to 1:08:26.360 --> 1:08:30.439 show my ass pretty much immediately following that son um 1:08:30.880 --> 1:08:33.400 this year, I was very much not expecting this, to 1:08:33.400 --> 1:08:36.080 be honest with you, because the two most difficult ones 1:08:36.160 --> 1:08:39.800 to even be nominated for our Restaurateur and then another 1:08:39.800 --> 1:08:42.200 one called Outstanding Chef. Because there are a national awards, 1:08:42.200 --> 1:08:45.160 so it's not regionalized. It's like you gotta cut through 1:08:45.160 --> 1:08:47.880 a lot of chaft to like make it um. And 1:08:47.920 --> 1:08:52.160 I was just shocked. And I interestingly enough, I think 1:08:52.200 --> 1:08:55.640 that a letter that I wrote to the Foundation this 1:08:55.720 --> 1:08:58.040 year might have been the reason that I made the list. 1:08:58.280 --> 1:09:00.519 Because you're like, what gives I read a letter and 1:09:00.560 --> 1:09:05.400 just said, you say that you care about these particular things, like, well, 1:09:05.400 --> 1:09:09.120 they've they're very vocal about social justice and social aspects, 1:09:09.120 --> 1:09:14.040 and like restaurants having an obligation to improve, um, you know, 1:09:14.080 --> 1:09:16.880 in their hiring practices, all these things, you know. But 1:09:16.920 --> 1:09:19.080 then I don't feel like they reciprocate that with who 1:09:19.080 --> 1:09:21.080 they hand the awards out to. And so I wrote 1:09:21.160 --> 1:09:23.760 them a letter and said, you know, my restaurant group 1:09:23.880 --> 1:09:27.720 is owned like by a minority as well as myself, Like, 1:09:28.120 --> 1:09:32.240 we operate our own charity that that feeds five families 1:09:32.280 --> 1:09:35.000 a day in Atlanta. We dedicate almost half of our 1:09:35.000 --> 1:09:39.479 profits every year to that, Like and yet somehow, some way, 1:09:39.600 --> 1:09:42.280 like you seemingly overlook that kind of stuff, and then 1:09:42.320 --> 1:09:44.760 you give the awards out to people who six months 1:09:44.760 --> 1:09:46.559 from now end up having a New York Times article 1:09:46.600 --> 1:09:49.519 written about how they have this horrible culture inside their business. 1:09:49.800 --> 1:09:51.679 So like, you know, put your money where your mouth 1:09:53.400 --> 1:09:59.599 and so and also doing a little subter fee, doing 1:09:59.640 --> 1:10:02.000 a lot things you're not supposed to be doing. And 1:10:02.439 --> 1:10:05.559 I at the place we're talking about, and I was 1:10:05.760 --> 1:10:08.040 all night saying to my wife, like I just smell 1:10:08.040 --> 1:10:12.160 a fish. I smell a fish. I mean, it's just 1:10:12.240 --> 1:10:16.960 it's like so anyhow, I I just was maybe it 1:10:16.960 --> 1:10:19.360 was an inappropriate thing to do, but I felt compelled 1:10:19.439 --> 1:10:22.200 to do this, and so somehow, some way, I think 1:10:22.280 --> 1:10:25.080 maybe that, like I don't know, maybe that's what got 1:10:25.120 --> 1:10:26.799 me on the list, because I certainly was not expecting 1:10:26.840 --> 1:10:28.519 it by any more. Hopefully that, I mean, that's not 1:10:28.560 --> 1:10:31.360 your own goal, but hopefully that I mean, it's glad. 1:10:31.400 --> 1:10:33.160 I'm glad you got on there, but hopefully that helps 1:10:33.360 --> 1:10:35.879 in the future to get other people that are actually, 1:10:36.320 --> 1:10:39.000 you know, meant to be there, because I was, like, 1:10:39.040 --> 1:10:42.400 you know, especially that award, like what makes you an 1:10:42.400 --> 1:10:45.439 outstanding restaurateur is all about your culture and what you 1:10:45.479 --> 1:10:47.679 do as a company and how you support your team 1:10:47.720 --> 1:10:49.800 and all that kind of stuff. It doesn't this isn't 1:10:49.840 --> 1:10:51.760 like flash in the pan. It really should be an 1:10:51.760 --> 1:10:53.559 award that's given out to people who are making like 1:10:53.840 --> 1:10:57.400 a substantial difference in their localized food in beverage community, 1:10:57.400 --> 1:10:59.800 but are also like kind of setting the tone for 1:11:00.439 --> 1:11:02.120 what you would want people to do in the future. 1:11:02.160 --> 1:11:04.200 And it's really easy to talk about doing it, but 1:11:04.280 --> 1:11:06.240 I can tell you it's very hard and expensive to 1:11:06.320 --> 1:11:09.759 actually do it, and so you know, hopefully that encourages 1:11:09.800 --> 1:11:14.960 people to do that in the future. Congratulations, appreciate. Semifinalists 1:11:14.960 --> 1:11:17.880 are there, I don't know, maybe fifteen or something like 1:11:17.920 --> 1:11:20.200 that in the country, and then it'll go to five 1:11:20.280 --> 1:11:23.960 finalists week after next something like that. At two weeks. 1:11:24.400 --> 1:11:26.439 People should go out there. There should be a social 1:11:26.439 --> 1:11:28.880 media campaign. I wish it's that's the way it worked, 1:11:28.920 --> 1:11:31.280 Like how you do that kind of stuff with the 1:11:31.280 --> 1:11:34.080 oscars man for sure? Yeah, I would that be huge. 1:11:34.120 --> 1:11:37.200 I mean I don't I don't think anybody really understands 1:11:37.880 --> 1:11:41.320 how you like, who is who is shortening the list 1:11:41.400 --> 1:11:43.680 or even then once the list is shortened, because I've 1:11:43.680 --> 1:11:46.680 been a finalist a number of times in different categories, 1:11:47.280 --> 1:11:49.599 like why this person wins in this and these other 1:11:49.640 --> 1:11:51.479 folks don't, like, I have no idea how that works, 1:11:51.479 --> 1:11:53.240 to be honest with you. We've been nominated for those 1:11:53.240 --> 1:11:55.360 soun's bitches and went down to the ceremony and everything 1:11:55.400 --> 1:11:58.640 didn't win. Yeah, the last time, I was like, I 1:11:58.680 --> 1:12:01.160 wanted to come if I knew I wasn't to win. Literally, 1:12:01.160 --> 1:12:03.479 it's not a great story about me. But the last 1:12:03.479 --> 1:12:05.519 time I was there, I thought for sure I was 1:12:05.560 --> 1:12:08.120 gonna win. And when I did, you're sitting there like 1:12:08.120 --> 1:12:10.360 going over your notes for your speech and stuff. I 1:12:10.360 --> 1:12:12.240 don't know what I was really fucking. I was like 1:12:12.280 --> 1:12:15.800 antie a ship. And then when they announced somebody else's name, 1:12:16.080 --> 1:12:18.599 this is in such poor taste. I literally just stood 1:12:18.640 --> 1:12:21.479 up and said funck this and walked out and then 1:12:21.560 --> 1:12:24.720 got like black out drunk um off of all the 1:12:24.720 --> 1:12:28.519 free booze. So so yeah, that's good, Kevin Gillespie, Like 1:12:28.880 --> 1:12:32.120 high character story there, you know, very proud moment for 1:12:32.240 --> 1:12:35.640 my wife and my teammates. Yeah, I would think that 1:12:35.680 --> 1:12:37.439 they would then never award you anything. Well, I was 1:12:37.479 --> 1:12:40.439 pretty sure I was blacklisted for for some stuff like yeah, 1:12:40.439 --> 1:12:43.559 I mean, I'm definitely apologized. I was. I was just 1:12:43.640 --> 1:12:46.760 so wound up, like there's so much anxiety leading into 1:12:46.840 --> 1:12:49.160 it that like I just blew up for something. Man 1:12:49.880 --> 1:12:56.480 man uh speaking of restaurantses not't do the restaurant, Okay, 1:12:57.720 --> 1:12:59.519 I told I shared a story about my old man 1:12:59.520 --> 1:13:01.599 talking about these guys used to hang deer until they 1:13:01.640 --> 1:13:05.559 were coated in mold. This guy writes in and I 1:13:05.720 --> 1:13:07.080 must have said something like I don't know at least 1:13:07.080 --> 1:13:08.640 that's what my dad said. I wasn't there, And he 1:13:08.680 --> 1:13:12.320 wrote in to say like he wants to substantiate the 1:13:12.320 --> 1:13:14.479 story based on something that happened to him when he 1:13:14.520 --> 1:13:20.360 was worked at an avatar a country avatich is that 1:13:22.880 --> 1:13:25.960 you want a hell of an album is avatoires blues 1:13:27.280 --> 1:13:32.400 Nick cave um hell of an especially the second part. 1:13:32.720 --> 1:13:39.479 So they used to hang cattle twenty eight days humidity control, 1:13:39.680 --> 1:13:41.559 large coolers. You said they would grow mold. He said, 1:13:41.600 --> 1:13:44.960 the building was really old. The cows would start growing 1:13:44.960 --> 1:13:47.799 a gray mold similar to hair over the entire carcass. 1:13:48.560 --> 1:13:51.320 By day one it was thickly covering any area with 1:13:51.400 --> 1:13:56.320 protein or meat exposed from fat. And by day some 1:13:56.400 --> 1:14:01.320 cows had grown bad green mold as long as two 1:14:01.320 --> 1:14:06.080 inch strands. So two inch strands of mold. He goes 1:14:06.120 --> 1:14:08.640 on to say, this was This was a government inspected 1:14:08.680 --> 1:14:13.200 building in Ontario, all kinds of protocols. When they were 1:14:13.240 --> 1:14:15.799 working on stuff they had what was deemed the bad mold. 1:14:16.400 --> 1:14:18.519 The inspector would be there all day to watch them 1:14:18.520 --> 1:14:22.559 cut the beef. They had to have super hot water 1:14:22.640 --> 1:14:26.080 tanks that drip almost boiling water into stainless steel. Tanks. 1:14:26.720 --> 1:14:31.200 The tanks slowly drained between every cut. They required to 1:14:31.240 --> 1:14:34.360 sterilize the knife blade in the tank. When they're working 1:14:34.400 --> 1:14:37.680 on bad mold, they were required to cut from underneath 1:14:37.680 --> 1:14:40.200 towards out so as to not drag the mold into 1:14:40.240 --> 1:14:45.320 the meat um. When they're doing the not so bad mold, 1:14:45.640 --> 1:14:48.519 they trimmed off a considerable layer underneath to give more 1:14:48.560 --> 1:14:54.320 of a buffer. It was a very tender dry aged 1:14:55.240 --> 1:14:58.720 never had anybody get sick, never had any complaints. The 1:14:58.800 --> 1:15:01.120 coolers are eventually upgrade, but mold is really hard to 1:15:01.160 --> 1:15:04.559 avoid these old buildings because I think a lot of 1:15:04.560 --> 1:15:07.519 folks in the country eat moldy beef. It was common 1:15:07.520 --> 1:15:11.040 at every avatoire in that county that didn't have a 1:15:11.080 --> 1:15:16.160 building built newer. The I mean part of the process, 1:15:16.240 --> 1:15:19.600 the dry aging process is such that that mold is 1:15:19.640 --> 1:15:22.400 critical to it actually working. Like that's how it takes place. 1:15:22.840 --> 1:15:26.360 So like that that mold on the surfaces, it's not 1:15:26.400 --> 1:15:29.360 only is it not dangerous, it's actually like preventing it 1:15:29.400 --> 1:15:31.720 from being dangerous, Like it's like putting a jacket on 1:15:31.760 --> 1:15:34.080 it so that the meat that is you know, he 1:15:34.120 --> 1:15:36.160 points out that like it was it's in areas where 1:15:36.160 --> 1:15:38.479 the protein was exposed from the fat. The fat doesn't 1:15:38.520 --> 1:15:40.479 really grow it in a lot of ways, like it 1:15:40.520 --> 1:15:42.519 doesn't have the same effect on the on the fat 1:15:42.640 --> 1:15:45.840 component of it. Um. But that white mold is what 1:15:45.880 --> 1:15:47.880 it would be called. The gray that he's referring to 1:15:48.040 --> 1:15:51.280 is called white mold for UM. I won't go down 1:15:51.280 --> 1:15:54.480 the list of like its actual scientific names because it'll 1:15:54.520 --> 1:15:57.639 just confuse people. But that white mold is a very safe, 1:15:58.200 --> 1:16:00.840 very helpful It tells you that you're doing this at 1:16:00.840 --> 1:16:03.120 the right temp because it only grows at a very 1:16:03.120 --> 1:16:06.320 particular temp and only grows at a very particular humidity level. 1:16:06.600 --> 1:16:08.840 And that's inside that range of something that's very safe. Now, 1:16:08.880 --> 1:16:12.479 that green mold on that that stus dicey as ship 1:16:12.720 --> 1:16:15.599 and it's really not You've got to be really really 1:16:15.640 --> 1:16:19.719 careful with it. I'm I'm surprised that they were allowed 1:16:19.760 --> 1:16:22.719 to cut it out. He doesn't name the place. Yeah, 1:16:22.760 --> 1:16:27.040 I think that under most circumstances with modern like beef 1:16:27.120 --> 1:16:31.439 dry aging, that inspector that he's referring to will will 1:16:31.880 --> 1:16:34.920 reclaim that meat and it'll just get thrown away. Like 1:16:34.960 --> 1:16:38.519 they won't allow them to actually trim it off because 1:16:38.560 --> 1:16:40.080 that's the stuff that will make you really sick that 1:16:40.120 --> 1:16:41.800 you have to be really careful with. And so that 1:16:41.880 --> 1:16:44.000 technique that he's talking about makes perfect sense. That's really 1:16:44.040 --> 1:16:46.000 the only path out of that is that you've got 1:16:46.000 --> 1:16:49.280 to start somewhere underneath the white mold and then kind 1:16:49.280 --> 1:16:51.160 of get inside the animal and then kind of come 1:16:51.200 --> 1:16:53.200 back out and take off that whole chunk. And so 1:16:53.240 --> 1:16:55.559 you get huge amounts of meat loss in that scenaria. 1:16:56.160 --> 1:16:59.639 Now with wild game, though, it's completely different because there's 1:16:59.640 --> 1:17:05.160 really no no particular benefit to you dry aging something 1:17:05.200 --> 1:17:08.439 like a deer because and somebody, I'm sure somebody's gonna 1:17:08.479 --> 1:17:10.960 rite and be like, you're wrong, Kevin, I'm not talking 1:17:11.040 --> 1:17:14.280 about hanging an animal. I'm talking about dry aging an animal. 1:17:14.680 --> 1:17:19.639 Like without a lot of extra muscular and intramuscular fat, 1:17:20.160 --> 1:17:24.080 dry agings effects are pretty limited. Like the dry aging 1:17:24.120 --> 1:17:27.760 component breaks down natural enzymes in the meat that are 1:17:27.800 --> 1:17:30.880 present along the connection points of the protein and the fat, 1:17:31.000 --> 1:17:33.080 and so if there's not any fat, it doesn't really 1:17:33.080 --> 1:17:34.720 do the same thing, and you will end up with 1:17:34.800 --> 1:17:37.600 just tremendous loss. And so that's why really hanging a 1:17:37.680 --> 1:17:40.680 deer less than that twenty one days is probably your 1:17:40.720 --> 1:17:44.120 best bet, because what you do want is some evaporative um, 1:17:44.160 --> 1:17:47.080 you know, sort of loss of moisture, because that will 1:17:47.479 --> 1:17:50.360 um just the blood itself. Blood is very acidic and 1:17:50.400 --> 1:17:53.040 so the blood will break down the muscle protein, make 1:17:53.040 --> 1:17:55.519 it more tender, and it will concentrate its flavor because 1:17:55.520 --> 1:17:59.040 you're you're losing water. But if it shifts into that 1:17:59.160 --> 1:18:02.720 dry aging realm, you're probably not doing much to to 1:18:02.840 --> 1:18:05.479 tenderize it that much further, and you're running a really 1:18:05.640 --> 1:18:08.639 serious risk of just having a tremendous loss on that animal. 1:18:08.640 --> 1:18:14.400 When you got to butcher, uh, we had some stuff 1:18:14.400 --> 1:18:16.600 that had been dry age for eight some it was 1:18:16.600 --> 1:18:20.519 an odd dns dry j ten months, and it was 1:18:20.720 --> 1:18:24.320 we got into the shoulder and if you did that 1:18:24.360 --> 1:18:27.400 shoulder and cross section, the only thing that was left 1:18:27.640 --> 1:18:29.880 that the only thing that wasn't rind was the size 1:18:29.880 --> 1:18:32.880 of a walnut right like in diameter. It always sounds 1:18:32.920 --> 1:18:36.480 like the size of a white tail's tenderloin, like a 1:18:36.520 --> 1:18:38.960 hot dog, almost in the center, running through the center, 1:18:39.080 --> 1:18:41.559 and it was all rind. I imagine another six months 1:18:41.600 --> 1:18:43.960 the rind would have would have become rind. And you 1:18:44.040 --> 1:18:48.680 said it tasted like blue cheese tastes like because it 1:18:48.760 --> 1:18:51.120 was interesting. I wouldn't like eat it every night, but 1:18:51.200 --> 1:18:55.200 it was. It was it was like, wow, that's I thought. 1:18:55.880 --> 1:18:59.120 That white mold is the same mold that is growing 1:18:59.160 --> 1:19:01.720 on cave age. Jeesus, that's why they taste that way. 1:19:01.800 --> 1:19:04.920 I mean, it's the exact same stuff. And so um. 1:19:04.960 --> 1:19:06.880 You know, everybody has different opinions on how long you 1:19:06.880 --> 1:19:08.640 should take dry aging, you know, and it really is 1:19:08.680 --> 1:19:11.759 a matter of personal preference and taste. Um. The science 1:19:11.800 --> 1:19:15.760 behind it says that there's that the tenderizing effects of 1:19:15.800 --> 1:19:17.720 it stop at a certain point, and then from that 1:19:17.760 --> 1:19:20.320 point forward, you're really just aging for flavor's sake, Like 1:19:20.720 --> 1:19:24.120 do you want it to be much much stronger tasting? Um. 1:19:24.160 --> 1:19:27.000 But it is different with game species. It's different with everything. 1:19:27.040 --> 1:19:29.120 I mean we're talking about and when everybody's talking about 1:19:29.160 --> 1:19:31.720 drey aging and what he's talking about is cattle, and 1:19:31.760 --> 1:19:34.120 it's just a whole different ball game. You know that 1:19:34.160 --> 1:19:35.880 you can dry edge I mean we dry edged ducks 1:19:35.920 --> 1:19:38.960 in my restaurants, um, but it doesn't take very long 1:19:39.000 --> 1:19:41.080 to dry itch a duck, so you know, and that 1:19:41.120 --> 1:19:45.439 really is just too concentrate that UM. Pull some moisture 1:19:45.479 --> 1:19:48.200 out concentrate the density of the flesh. But we're really 1:19:48.200 --> 1:19:50.000 not tenderizing it. We're not leaving it long enough for 1:19:50.000 --> 1:19:52.240 that to happen. Have you ever heard of a contraption 1:19:52.280 --> 1:19:56.240 called a Warner Bruntler sheer force test? No, not at all. 1:19:56.439 --> 1:20:00.360 It's how they measure meat tenderness. Oh okay, And you 1:20:00.439 --> 1:20:02.760 take like you cut it to a certain thickness, and 1:20:02.760 --> 1:20:08.320 it's this machine that punches three centimeter diameter I think 1:20:08.320 --> 1:20:12.000 it's centimeter diameter holes through meat, and it measures resistance 1:20:12.840 --> 1:20:17.320 on the meat. I think that all this talk about 1:20:17.360 --> 1:20:18.920 all this like dry age in this and that and 1:20:18.920 --> 1:20:21.920 the other thing these days, what I want something it's 1:20:21.920 --> 1:20:23.800 a long study. What I want someone to do is 1:20:23.840 --> 1:20:27.600 I want someone to take a chunk helped meat, and 1:20:27.600 --> 1:20:28.840 I don't give a shot how long you age it, 1:20:28.840 --> 1:20:30.519 but take a chunk help me and hit it with 1:20:30.600 --> 1:20:34.360 a shear force test and then freeze a bunch of 1:20:34.400 --> 1:20:37.280 that right, and then six months later, hit it with 1:20:37.280 --> 1:20:39.320 a shear FORCET test. Hit it with a shear force 1:20:39.400 --> 1:20:41.960 test at twelve months, hit it with a shear FORCET 1:20:41.960 --> 1:20:45.160 test at eighteen twenty four. I can't keep doing twelves 1:20:45.760 --> 1:20:53.080 because I forget how it goes thirty six. Yep, there, um, 1:20:53.160 --> 1:20:54.400 I used to know all the way up to twelve 1:20:54.439 --> 1:21:02.840 times twelve. So yeah, then they don't teach you beyond that. 1:21:01.960 --> 1:21:05.200 That's why you're committed Earlier. Earlier, when you were like 1:21:05.439 --> 1:21:08.160 I would have chosen twelve instead of thirteen. That's the reason. 1:21:08.200 --> 1:21:11.120 We've just gotten to the root of it. So uh, 1:21:11.240 --> 1:21:14.479 because I feel like totally anecdotally, but so many other 1:21:14.520 --> 1:21:20.280 people agree that you get damn. My brother Danny, he 1:21:20.400 --> 1:21:24.559 runs his moose program. He runs his moose program where he's, oh, 1:21:24.600 --> 1:21:28.599 he starts eating a moose out a year. He's he's 1:21:28.600 --> 1:21:30.960 got his moose program and his freezer so that it's 1:21:31.040 --> 1:21:34.960 offset by a year. So if he kills a bowl 1:21:35.240 --> 1:21:41.840 in September one, he'll begin consuming that bowl September. He's 1:21:41.920 --> 1:21:45.920 offset for that reason. He's like, dude, you can't. It's 1:21:45.960 --> 1:21:48.799 like it just gets it's different when you put it's tender, 1:21:48.800 --> 1:21:50.920 then it's not tender when I put it in there. Yeah, 1:21:50.960 --> 1:21:53.559 there's I mean, what's what's taking places sort of twofold. 1:21:53.600 --> 1:21:55.880 So there's the other form of aging is wet aging, 1:21:56.240 --> 1:21:58.559 you know, and that's where you bag something, wrap something, 1:21:58.600 --> 1:22:01.040 and it's sitting in its own blood. And again blood 1:22:01.080 --> 1:22:03.760 is acidic, so it has its own tender rizing effects. 1:22:03.960 --> 1:22:06.439 But it's there anyway, that's what I understand. But there anyway, 1:22:06.600 --> 1:22:11.440 what happens is that freezing and then defrosting ruptures the cells, 1:22:11.439 --> 1:22:14.120 like ruptures the cell walls of the protein. And so 1:22:14.160 --> 1:22:16.200 it does have a natural tender rising offense. So if 1:22:16.240 --> 1:22:17.920 you really wanted to get it, after you unplug your 1:22:17.920 --> 1:22:21.559 fridge now and then, I mean, actually there's a method 1:22:21.640 --> 1:22:24.240 and it's okay, I can't believe I'm saying this on 1:22:24.320 --> 1:22:27.280 meat Eater, because it's a method for tofu, like to 1:22:27.600 --> 1:22:30.880 change the texture of tofu. And so you'll marinate it, 1:22:31.000 --> 1:22:34.240 freeze it, defrost it, freeze it defrost it frees it defrosted, 1:22:34.360 --> 1:22:37.840 and then everything everything. Note it actually does the exact 1:22:38.840 --> 1:22:41.439 it dns. It makes it much more dense, and after 1:22:41.479 --> 1:22:43.200 the sixth or seventh time, you end up with something 1:22:43.280 --> 1:22:46.120 that has the texture of a chicken breast or something 1:22:46.520 --> 1:22:49.639 like losing water. It's losing water and the in this case, 1:22:49.880 --> 1:22:53.840 since it's vegetable based, the rigid cell walls of the 1:22:54.160 --> 1:22:57.160 are actually are rupturing completely. You know, they're not as 1:22:57.200 --> 1:23:00.599 malleable as meat proteins. So I remember, ever, buddy Steve 1:23:00.680 --> 1:23:04.360 Jones rode in to tell us Steve Jones from Missouri 1:23:04.960 --> 1:23:07.320 believe because we're always talking about how like, oh, it 1:23:07.360 --> 1:23:09.920 doesn't make a difference if you you know thoughts of 1:23:09.960 --> 1:23:15.759 meat killer nams. But you're saying, well, it does because 1:23:15.760 --> 1:23:18.160 of what you just explained, where's breaking down the cell walls. 1:23:18.240 --> 1:23:19.880 So like if you let's just say you did that 1:23:19.920 --> 1:23:24.280 with a elk backstrap four times, do you think that 1:23:24.280 --> 1:23:27.519 that elk backstrap is gonna be better or worse for 1:23:27.640 --> 1:23:30.120 doing water? Yeah, it's gonna shut a lot of water. 1:23:30.280 --> 1:23:32.160 And so then you run into a risk of like 1:23:32.439 --> 1:23:35.559 you're you're into that territory of being really worried about 1:23:35.560 --> 1:23:40.439 freezer burn or almost freeze drying something because you're you know, 1:23:40.479 --> 1:23:42.960 that's the method of effectively freeze drying is that you're using. 1:23:43.000 --> 1:23:45.080 It will be dryer when you cook it could It 1:23:45.120 --> 1:23:46.960 could very well be. You gotta be careful with it, 1:23:46.960 --> 1:23:49.519 for sure. I want to back up on the hog thing. 1:23:49.680 --> 1:23:52.120 Maybe feel feel FIL's got time he can just go 1:23:52.200 --> 1:23:57.360 insert this back where it belongs. I understand, like guys 1:23:57.400 --> 1:23:59.719 are doing damage control and shooting all kinds of hawks. 1:24:00.000 --> 1:24:01.840 Totally get their shooting all kinds of hogs, and and 1:24:01.880 --> 1:24:04.800 they don't have the time or whatever, like they're doing 1:24:04.840 --> 1:24:08.479 like a job to like do harg control. I'm not 1:24:08.560 --> 1:24:10.960 saying that they're that you're like bad and not eat them. 1:24:11.479 --> 1:24:13.680 I just don't say you can't eat them. Correct, Right, 1:24:14.680 --> 1:24:16.360 Like you're shooting ship loads a hog because there's a 1:24:16.360 --> 1:24:20.200 hog infestation, You're not gonna then spend it's like eighty 1:24:20.240 --> 1:24:22.600 degrees out right, you know. It's like, of course, like 1:24:22.640 --> 1:24:26.200 I get it right, that's ontally gonna happen. But it 1:24:26.240 --> 1:24:28.320 doesn't mean you can't. And if someone wants one, I 1:24:28.360 --> 1:24:30.200 feel like you can't. You shouldn't tell them that you 1:24:30.240 --> 1:24:35.439 can't eat it. Ye. Yeah, because we're shooting two hundred 1:24:35.439 --> 1:24:38.519 of them. Nobody wants to clean that many of them. 1:24:38.520 --> 1:24:40.320 That's what it comes down to. I mean, at the 1:24:40.360 --> 1:24:41.840 end of the day. And don't get me wrong, they 1:24:42.000 --> 1:24:46.880 vary tremendously from this is clearly a domesticated bloodline that 1:24:46.920 --> 1:24:49.760 is now feral to this is a truly wild bloodline. 1:24:50.160 --> 1:24:54.320 Drastic difference in flavor, age, sex, all that kind of stuff, 1:24:54.439 --> 1:24:57.599 like changes it tremendously, and so I can understand though 1:24:57.800 --> 1:25:00.160 you know, you mentioned this about castrating the pig. Like 1:25:00.200 --> 1:25:01.960 one of the tricks that I'd always that I had 1:25:02.000 --> 1:25:03.720 learned like earlier in my life, is that if you 1:25:03.760 --> 1:25:06.720 do kill one of these big boares, if you can, 1:25:07.160 --> 1:25:09.880 if you can, like within the first five minutes of 1:25:09.920 --> 1:25:13.120 having killed it, cut its nuts off, the meat is 1:25:13.160 --> 1:25:18.720 significantly better tasting. Really yeah. So and I'm like, I 1:25:18.720 --> 1:25:20.720 don't even know how that's possible, Like it's heart's not 1:25:20.760 --> 1:25:22.960 beating anymore, but it seems to make a difference. You know, 1:25:23.240 --> 1:25:24.960 maybe it's a placebo, but I don't think so. I 1:25:24.960 --> 1:25:26.800 think it makes a pretty drastic difference in the end 1:25:26.840 --> 1:25:30.320 flavor of it. So um. Yeah. And when we look 1:25:30.320 --> 1:25:32.400 we do on the property that I'm that I have 1:25:32.439 --> 1:25:36.559 in Georgia, we're doing both damage control trying to keep 1:25:36.560 --> 1:25:38.439 populations in check because they're out of control. I mean, 1:25:38.479 --> 1:25:40.479 we killed three hundred last year and it did nothing. 1:25:40.680 --> 1:25:44.439 So um. And so there are days that you just 1:25:44.520 --> 1:25:46.519 sit you just go down in the morning and you 1:25:46.560 --> 1:25:48.719 sit in your stand all day long, pack a lunch, 1:25:48.760 --> 1:25:51.160 and I mean I'll literally just sit there and like 1:25:51.360 --> 1:25:53.519 you know, watch videos on my phone, and then you 1:25:53.560 --> 1:25:55.960 just shoot every pig that comes out, you know, and 1:25:55.960 --> 1:25:57.560 you just like, I mean, you don't get out of 1:25:57.600 --> 1:25:59.640 your stand. You stay so that more will come, and 1:25:59.640 --> 1:26:02.360 more we'll coming, because they come to their own dead, 1:26:02.640 --> 1:26:05.000 like pigs will come to check out the dead pig 1:26:05.120 --> 1:26:08.240 and eat it. So it's pretty good, you know, chance 1:26:08.280 --> 1:26:10.000 that they'll be more. And in that case, yet, those 1:26:10.040 --> 1:26:11.719 ones that you killed earlier in the day are probably 1:26:11.760 --> 1:26:13.320 not a very good idea for you to be eating. 1:26:13.439 --> 1:26:16.519 But the idea that you can't eat them is just 1:26:16.680 --> 1:26:20.519 complete fallacy. And in reality, like especially certain size ones, 1:26:20.800 --> 1:26:22.960 not only can you eat them. I mean I know 1:26:23.000 --> 1:26:26.360 this because we serve them at the Saber Tooth dinner 1:26:26.479 --> 1:26:29.479 last week, and the commentary across the board from everyone 1:26:29.520 --> 1:26:32.960 who dined there was this just tastes like a much 1:26:33.040 --> 1:26:35.640 better pork, Like it tastes like pork that's just a 1:26:35.640 --> 1:26:37.720 lot better than what I can normally get. And you're like, yeah, 1:26:37.760 --> 1:26:40.360 that's exactly I heard firsthand from a person. I heard 1:26:40.400 --> 1:26:43.960 firsthand from a person who participated in that dinner. Who 1:26:43.960 --> 1:26:48.559 did you hear from? Loved it awesome? Good? I mean, honestly, 1:26:48.600 --> 1:26:53.639 I told this sounds like I'm being exaggertory but private. 1:26:53.960 --> 1:26:56.280 I think, uh, I think it's one of the best 1:26:56.320 --> 1:26:59.280 meals I've cooked in twenty plus years of doing this professional. 1:26:59.360 --> 1:27:01.200 I think you'd agree it was dialed in like we 1:27:01.680 --> 1:27:13.519 It was good, very good. Uh. Speaking of rotten old 1:27:13.520 --> 1:27:18.080 Hoggs and culinary awards, We're gonna go out the Mediator 1:27:18.160 --> 1:27:21.120 Investigates now. So we did our first ever Media Investigates 1:27:21.160 --> 1:27:24.479 a couple of episodes ago and Katie Hill reported on 1:27:25.920 --> 1:27:28.599 going on Amazon and finding all kinds of endangered species 1:27:28.600 --> 1:27:31.160 horns for sale. Right now, we're gonna hear from our 1:27:31.240 --> 1:27:35.120 very own Maggie Hudlow. Uh. And this you actually went 1:27:35.160 --> 1:27:37.400 down You went to Florida. I did. Yeah, I went 1:27:37.439 --> 1:27:40.439 to Tallahassee and what's going on? And tell why? What's 1:27:40.479 --> 1:27:43.640 going on? Yeah? So it was a rally. It was 1:27:43.680 --> 1:27:50.360 a lot of fishing guides, truckers, truck fishing guides, folks 1:27:50.400 --> 1:27:53.520 from the outdoor industry, and it was a rally protesting 1:27:53.680 --> 1:27:59.200 centate bill to five eight UM. And this was kind 1:27:59.200 --> 1:28:02.360 of some sneaky politics, is what was going on. And 1:28:02.360 --> 1:28:05.920 that's why folks were all fired up. UM. And for 1:28:06.000 --> 1:28:10.040 folks that don't know, Florida has got some serious water issues. 1:28:10.479 --> 1:28:14.840 I mean last year loan millions of fish washed up 1:28:14.880 --> 1:28:20.479 on shore from toxic red algae blooms, and uh, everything 1:28:20.640 --> 1:28:26.479 kind of about Florida's water management issues are it revolves 1:28:26.520 --> 1:28:31.600 around Okeechobee. Like Okeechobee, and so it used to the 1:28:31.640 --> 1:28:35.559 water used to flow north south through Okeechobee down through 1:28:35.560 --> 1:28:37.759 the Everglades through what they called the Sea of Grass 1:28:38.080 --> 1:28:43.160 and acted acted as this natural filtration system. But they 1:28:43.200 --> 1:28:45.800 turned that into agg land developed it well, and they 1:28:45.800 --> 1:28:51.000 had that flood that killed thousand people. Right, it's many 1:28:51.040 --> 1:28:53.000 thousands of people. How many hell of a flood. I'm 1:28:53.000 --> 1:28:55.880 gonna look that flood up, Look that up. So they 1:28:56.120 --> 1:28:58.439 you know, now the now the water is rerouted, and 1:28:58.520 --> 1:29:01.400 now now they use kind of these dams and these 1:29:02.320 --> 1:29:06.720 things as as little political ponds to to kind of 1:29:06.920 --> 1:29:10.679 divert where they want things to go. And so they've 1:29:10.720 --> 1:29:13.960 been trying to figure out for years now how to 1:29:14.120 --> 1:29:18.400 deal with Okeechobee because it collects everything that comes down, 1:29:18.479 --> 1:29:21.800 so it's basically a holding tank and it has the 1:29:21.920 --> 1:29:26.519 super phosphorus rich water and people still need access to 1:29:26.560 --> 1:29:29.880 this water. They needed for eggs, they needed just for water, 1:29:30.680 --> 1:29:36.920 um and it um Oh. Apparently almost two thousand people 1:29:37.000 --> 1:29:43.479 died in the flood of Okeechobee, Thank you, Sean. And 1:29:43.520 --> 1:29:48.240 that that inspired, you know, I guess what like a 1:29:48.360 --> 1:29:52.880 radical overcorrection or helped justify yep. And it was this. 1:29:53.000 --> 1:29:55.320 It was a huge feat of what they did there. 1:29:55.360 --> 1:29:58.080 But but then they realized that they have this water 1:29:58.720 --> 1:30:00.160 and they don't really know what to do with fit 1:30:00.360 --> 1:30:04.599 because when it goes to the east and west, it's 1:30:04.680 --> 1:30:08.280 just this super nutrient rich water that's flowing into these 1:30:08.720 --> 1:30:13.559 very um fragile aquatic ecosystems and they can't handle that. 1:30:13.800 --> 1:30:17.240 So that's what causes these blue green algae blooms, these 1:30:17.360 --> 1:30:20.519 um and that's in fresh water, and the red alga blooms, 1:30:21.479 --> 1:30:24.320 and basically it just kind of eats up all of 1:30:24.560 --> 1:30:28.920 the all the oxygen in the water, kind of suffocates 1:30:29.240 --> 1:30:32.720 mo like the pictures you think, like, I mean it's 1:30:32.880 --> 1:30:38.360 the beach carpeted. Yeah, and dead fish and and huge 1:30:38.439 --> 1:30:42.880 not just small feeders wash up on the multiple manatees 1:30:43.080 --> 1:30:47.000 like it's it's a massive killer. So they've been working 1:30:47.040 --> 1:30:51.719 on addressing this. They've got them the Lake Okachobee Systems 1:30:51.760 --> 1:30:55.040 Operation Manual is something they've been working on, and that's 1:30:55.080 --> 1:30:57.840 with the South Florida Water Management District. The Army Corps 1:30:57.760 --> 1:31:00.200 of Engineers have been working on this. Kind of the 1:31:00.240 --> 1:31:02.960 best solution they've come up with currently is this e 1:31:03.120 --> 1:31:07.000 A a reservoir that they're trying to build. So this 1:31:07.040 --> 1:31:10.000 has been like years in the making. And Captains for 1:31:10.040 --> 1:31:13.840 Clean Waters, this nonprofit built by um fishing captains that 1:31:13.920 --> 1:31:16.519 are being affected by this. They've all been working together 1:31:16.560 --> 1:31:18.759 to come up with a plan to deal with the water. 1:31:19.640 --> 1:31:22.760 And then on February four, s B two five oh 1:31:22.760 --> 1:31:26.400 eight comes through, which is a bit budget sorry budget 1:31:26.400 --> 1:31:33.120 conforming bill uh St State. So this bill has so 1:31:33.200 --> 1:31:36.200 much stuff crammed into it. I mean it they have 1:31:36.479 --> 1:31:41.280 like planning on changing who owns a certain park. It's 1:31:41.439 --> 1:31:44.640 you know, it's they're cramming all this stuff to just 1:31:44.680 --> 1:31:48.719 push it through. It's it's kind of fast tracking and 1:31:49.200 --> 1:31:53.920 getting all of these changes made, where previous changes with 1:31:54.000 --> 1:31:56.160 Okachobe have been like six years in the making and 1:31:56.200 --> 1:31:59.759 this is like three to four weeks with one period 1:31:59.800 --> 1:32:03.680 for public input, and all these guides came up for 1:32:03.720 --> 1:32:05.840 the one period of public input and they're like, hey, 1:32:05.880 --> 1:32:08.160 we're concerned, we don't really like what you're doing with 1:32:08.200 --> 1:32:11.400 this bill. It's tying up all this money we have 1:32:11.479 --> 1:32:15.360 for Everglades restoration. It's basically putting us back to a 1:32:15.720 --> 1:32:20.880 ninety standpoint of where, um, where we're at with Okeechobee management. 1:32:21.320 --> 1:32:23.160 And you know, they were trying to raise their voices 1:32:23.200 --> 1:32:26.640 and the senators basically told them they were misled, they 1:32:26.640 --> 1:32:30.439 shouldn't be there. Um, there was like no reason to 1:32:30.479 --> 1:32:34.000 be concerned. Um. So that's why the rally happened, because 1:32:34.040 --> 1:32:36.880 that was their one point to raise their voices. And 1:32:37.439 --> 1:32:39.720 many of them drove hours through the night and they 1:32:39.760 --> 1:32:42.080 had two minutes to talk and they cut them off 1:32:42.120 --> 1:32:44.400 at thirty seconds or whatever, and we're like, now you 1:32:44.439 --> 1:32:47.920 don't need to be here, don't worry about this. So 1:32:48.320 --> 1:32:51.840 they organized the rally kind of behind the scenes and 1:32:51.840 --> 1:32:54.920 and decided to pull skiffs and boats into the front 1:32:54.920 --> 1:32:58.599 door of the capital. So it was great, it was 1:32:58.720 --> 1:33:00.840 It was quite the ordeal, and it was really cool. 1:33:01.200 --> 1:33:03.759 It's really cool to see all these individuals coming together 1:33:03.840 --> 1:33:06.240 and like, you know, if you're gonna have backdoor politics, 1:33:06.240 --> 1:33:11.679 we're gonna parker damn boats on your front lawn. Like no, 1:33:12.120 --> 1:33:14.960 it wasn't it wasn't that big of a deal. It 1:33:15.040 --> 1:33:18.920 was pretty pretty well behaved, and uh it was. It 1:33:19.000 --> 1:33:21.760 was funny when I wrote about this. We were all 1:33:21.800 --> 1:33:25.519 like everyone was wearing a hat. Like people had suit 1:33:25.640 --> 1:33:27.880 jackets on and stuff, but like everybody had a hat on. 1:33:27.960 --> 1:33:31.360 So we're in the Capitol building. You know, everyone's that 1:33:31.400 --> 1:33:33.160 you can tell spends a lot of time, and they're 1:33:33.200 --> 1:33:34.880 just clicking around in their high heel shoes and they 1:33:34.880 --> 1:33:37.200 got their suits on and stuff, and all of us. 1:33:37.280 --> 1:33:39.280 You know, I was so excited to be warm. I'm 1:33:39.280 --> 1:33:42.240 wearing like chacos. Everyone's got their fishing shirts on. We 1:33:42.280 --> 1:33:45.920 all got hats, like, and we're piling into these elevators 1:33:45.920 --> 1:33:49.760 that yeah, they're the stupidest elevators. They really, And they 1:33:49.800 --> 1:33:51.800 said they're like, yeah, I'm glad our States spent like 1:33:51.920 --> 1:33:55.599 fifteen million dollars on this damn elevator system. Some lady 1:33:55.720 --> 1:33:58.479 kind of like shimmied into this whole group of us 1:33:58.479 --> 1:34:01.040 in our in our hats, and she's on the phone. 1:34:01.080 --> 1:34:03.240 She's like, yeah, it's just really busy at the Capitol today. 1:34:03.600 --> 1:34:06.160 I'm like ten minutes late. I'll be there soon. Got out. 1:34:06.360 --> 1:34:08.719 It's like yeah, she said, said all these damn hats 1:34:08.720 --> 1:34:12.640 at the Capitol are making me late, you know. So 1:34:12.720 --> 1:34:15.080 what what came out of the whole thing? So the 1:34:15.280 --> 1:34:18.599 night before the rally, they put an amendment on the bill, 1:34:19.200 --> 1:34:24.240 and that amendment took some of the bad language out, 1:34:24.280 --> 1:34:27.000 which was it was a huge it was a huge movement. 1:34:27.160 --> 1:34:32.960 They they clearly they heard the call that UM that 1:34:33.200 --> 1:34:35.679 Captains for Clean Water had kind of put out there, 1:34:35.720 --> 1:34:40.320 and they made some changes. But it man sitting in 1:34:40.320 --> 1:34:43.040 that Senate building, it really just made me realize how 1:34:43.080 --> 1:34:48.519 important conservation through legislation is because if if they hadn't 1:34:48.640 --> 1:34:51.040 raised their voices, no one would have and that bill 1:34:51.080 --> 1:34:54.720 would have just slipped through without any changes made. And 1:34:54.760 --> 1:34:58.720 they're still there's still needs to be some changes made 1:34:58.720 --> 1:35:02.200 to that bill. It's going on to be debated between 1:35:02.240 --> 1:35:05.439 the House and the Senate anytime between tomorrow and Friday. 1:35:05.600 --> 1:35:10.040 It's not it's not totally solidified yet, but currently there's 1:35:10.080 --> 1:35:17.679 still um. The entire Everglade restoration budget is basically booby 1:35:17.680 --> 1:35:20.439 trapped and it's dependent on the passing of this bill. 1:35:20.680 --> 1:35:23.840 Like if if this bill isn't passed, they don't get 1:35:23.880 --> 1:35:26.960 that money, and it's like three million dollars, but and 1:35:27.000 --> 1:35:29.040 then the bill. The language in the bill that is 1:35:29.080 --> 1:35:32.200 still troublesome to people is that codifies into state law 1:35:33.320 --> 1:35:37.040 a prioritization of industrial egg water supply South and the 1:35:37.120 --> 1:35:40.519 Lake over all other users, meaning over fishermen. And that's 1:35:40.560 --> 1:35:43.120 that big sugar getting that money. And that's kind of 1:35:43.120 --> 1:35:45.360 who's interesting. You don't sign it, then you don't get 1:35:45.360 --> 1:35:48.080 any funding. And as you know how I don't want 1:35:48.120 --> 1:35:50.240 I want to get uh, I want to get the 1:35:50.520 --> 1:35:53.240 governor to Santis on the show to talk about the Everglades. 1:35:53.600 --> 1:35:57.040 He's but he's fixing to sign this bill. So this bill, 1:35:57.360 --> 1:36:02.040 it honestly goes against what Santis stands for because that's 1:36:02.040 --> 1:36:04.960 what he's like, he's taking like some political heat to 1:36:05.120 --> 1:36:09.240 be I mean, he describes himself as a Roosevelt conservationist 1:36:09.720 --> 1:36:12.599 and it's taken some heat about his stance on the Everglades. Then, 1:36:12.600 --> 1:36:14.400 so I want to have him on to talk about it. 1:36:14.560 --> 1:36:20.000 But I'm curious, Um is like, where's he at on this? 1:36:20.880 --> 1:36:24.479 So he's that and that's the whole tricky thing is 1:36:24.560 --> 1:36:27.719 that he's kind of tied. He's got his hands tied 1:36:27.760 --> 1:36:32.760 because they put all that Everglades restoration money because it's 1:36:32.760 --> 1:36:36.160 a budget bill. It's tied up in this that if 1:36:36.160 --> 1:36:40.280 this bill doesn't get past the Everglades Restoration Fund doesn't 1:36:40.320 --> 1:36:43.120 get that three dollars, I'd love to have the guy 1:36:43.120 --> 1:36:46.719 at the show. It still has to go be debated 1:36:46.760 --> 1:36:49.080 between the House and the Senate this week, and it's 1:36:49.280 --> 1:36:56.639 because it's such a controversial and complicated topic. It's likely 1:36:57.160 --> 1:36:59.519 that it's going to go to the Speaker of the 1:36:59.520 --> 1:37:05.280 House in the President of the Senate, but that's to 1:37:05.360 --> 1:37:10.240 be decided. And that's also kind of a tricky situation. Um, 1:37:10.280 --> 1:37:13.040 because the President of the Senate is backing this bill. 1:37:14.120 --> 1:37:21.080 So it's just being down there and seeing how orchestrated 1:37:21.320 --> 1:37:27.160 the whole Senate is. It was really uh, I mean 1:37:27.200 --> 1:37:31.160 they were debating things like, um, what the state dessert 1:37:31.200 --> 1:37:36.400 should be? That that was apparently a big point of concern. 1:37:36.520 --> 1:37:38.400 Did they land on key lime pie? That is what 1:37:38.479 --> 1:37:46.679 it was. Apparently someone wanted strawberry shortcake ruining a good thing. Goodness, idiots, dude, 1:37:46.680 --> 1:37:51.640 I'd way vote for I'd filibuster for strawberry short They 1:37:51.680 --> 1:37:54.120 grow strawberries, and I mean Green a plant city, big 1:37:54.160 --> 1:37:56.200 strawberry growing regions, so they grow a lot of them, 1:37:56.200 --> 1:37:58.479 But I mean the key line kind of grows in 1:37:58.479 --> 1:38:01.160 a single place. So see, this is why it's a debate. 1:38:01.240 --> 1:38:03.080 No one wants to talk about No one wants to 1:38:03.080 --> 1:38:09.960 talk about water, managements about dessert. So tell me where 1:38:10.000 --> 1:38:13.240 they go. Send people to your article. Ah, yeah, the 1:38:13.400 --> 1:38:18.200 article is up on meat eater dot com. It's ah, 1:38:18.360 --> 1:38:20.960 I mean, do you want me to read the title off? Yeah, 1:38:21.000 --> 1:38:24.519 it's a hundred plus Florida fishing guys rally at the 1:38:24.560 --> 1:38:28.680 Capitol to protests bad Everglades legislation and and there's a 1:38:28.720 --> 1:38:31.400 link at the bottom you can find for or you 1:38:31.439 --> 1:38:34.040 can just go to Captain's for Clean Water if you wanna, 1:38:34.840 --> 1:38:38.320 you know, harass some senators. There was one guy spoke 1:38:38.439 --> 1:38:40.160 up and he was like, God, I got all these 1:38:40.160 --> 1:38:42.400 emails and they all seem to be coming from the 1:38:42.439 --> 1:38:44.599 same place, and I don't know what you guys are 1:38:44.600 --> 1:38:46.840 all so upset about. This is a great bill. So 1:38:46.920 --> 1:38:49.040 it's like, you know, we gotta keep her ass on them. 1:38:49.360 --> 1:38:52.160 They're gonna pull stuff like this and try to sneak 1:38:52.280 --> 1:38:57.080 things that that really deserve contemplation and public input. Like, man, 1:38:57.160 --> 1:38:59.720 just keep her assing your senators every chance you get, 1:39:01.200 --> 1:39:04.400 especially on water. Because it seems like water is the 1:39:04.400 --> 1:39:08.600 thing that always goes bad. It's always the you know, 1:39:09.240 --> 1:39:13.080 everywhere is a fight over water. It seems absolutely it's 1:39:13.120 --> 1:39:18.320 a it's a hot commodity these days and always has been. Right, Sean, 1:39:18.439 --> 1:39:32.639 He's the dark report. Got anything else to shape Shawn's assignment? Yep, 1:39:33.080 --> 1:39:37.240 wasn't an assignment. Well, it was an expansion of what 1:39:37.320 --> 1:39:39.640 we were talking about last time. So last time we 1:39:39.680 --> 1:39:45.679 had talked about age demographics and sex ratios, and part 1:39:45.680 --> 1:39:49.360 of the sex ratios is that hens are getting whacked 1:39:49.360 --> 1:39:52.680 on nests and that there's just less hens than there 1:39:52.760 --> 1:39:55.720 is drake's and they have a lower you know, we 1:39:55.760 --> 1:39:57.800 had talked about how long they live. Well, hens have 1:39:57.800 --> 1:40:02.200 a shorter lifespan. Comes back to that's a predator story. 1:40:02.560 --> 1:40:04.880 So I wanted to talk a little bit about predators. 1:40:05.280 --> 1:40:10.599 Got it because we got into the skewed ratios. Yeah, yep, uh, 1:40:10.640 --> 1:40:13.080 you know, a hen mallard might live a year and 1:40:13.120 --> 1:40:16.320 ten months and or you know, year nine months, and 1:40:16.320 --> 1:40:18.920 a Drake mallard would live two years. And over time, 1:40:19.120 --> 1:40:23.000 since the nineteen eighties, that's led to a divergence of 1:40:23.080 --> 1:40:26.840 that there are just way more drakes than Hence why 1:40:26.920 --> 1:40:33.800 that is is um well as Delta Waterfowl talks about 1:40:34.040 --> 1:40:38.400 and has researched, it's that there are just more predators 1:40:38.720 --> 1:40:42.800 now and that since the nineteen eighties, we've seen this 1:40:43.160 --> 1:40:48.519 kind of uh, a growth of predator populations and a 1:40:48.960 --> 1:40:52.840 increase in the divergence of the sex ratio because low 1:40:52.880 --> 1:40:57.640 fur prices, bro low fur prices yep. And like I 1:40:57.680 --> 1:40:59.639 want to start off with saying that this is not 1:41:00.000 --> 1:41:05.400 just started really popular Parker company and put into help ducks. Yeah, 1:41:05.479 --> 1:41:08.720 put like fur trim on the collar. Can you imagine 1:41:09.040 --> 1:41:11.200 we can maybe do that as part of our like 1:41:12.439 --> 1:41:19.000 first light line Hunter sourced uh into this idea. So 1:41:21.920 --> 1:41:25.360 I wanna like preface this with this isn't just wipe 1:41:25.360 --> 1:41:29.400 out all predators. Oh yeah, of course. Yeah, but we've 1:41:29.439 --> 1:41:33.120 had this, We've had this diver or we've had over 1:41:33.200 --> 1:41:36.360 time a change of the landscape of what the predator 1:41:36.439 --> 1:41:42.840 population looks like. You know, before before agriculture and before settlement, 1:41:42.960 --> 1:41:46.240 we had wolves and bears and no egg and as 1:41:47.040 --> 1:41:49.320 you know, we did two things. Really, we came through 1:41:49.439 --> 1:41:52.759 we wiped out bears and wolves, and then we brought 1:41:52.880 --> 1:41:56.720 agriculture and grain everywhere and that's allowed the meso predators, 1:41:56.720 --> 1:42:03.200 the mid sized predators like raccoons and skunks. Awesome's grinners, yep, grinned. 1:42:04.120 --> 1:42:10.840 We we've we've came through and disproportionately enabled those populations. 1:42:11.000 --> 1:42:15.000 Really and up until the nineteen eighties, we at least 1:42:15.000 --> 1:42:19.599 had trapping to kind of keep those numbers down, and 1:42:19.720 --> 1:42:23.960 since then less and less trappers and a even more 1:42:24.600 --> 1:42:31.040 like prominent growth of those populations. To actually talk about, 1:42:31.680 --> 1:42:36.240 like how much we've influenced those populations. North Dakota up 1:42:36.320 --> 1:42:41.960 until the nineteen fifties didn't even recognize or like, uh, 1:42:43.200 --> 1:42:46.479 there was no written record of raccoons being a North 1:42:46.560 --> 1:42:53.480 Dakota animal. And then now there dispersed all across the prairie. Uh, 1:42:53.640 --> 1:42:57.240 when delta waterfowl or you know, in those old trapping 1:42:57.240 --> 1:43:00.519 records they were zero percent catch. There was no trappers 1:43:00.560 --> 1:43:04.200 catching raccoons on the North Dakota prairie. Now delta waterfowl, 1:43:04.439 --> 1:43:06.759 depending on the year, they're either their number one catch 1:43:07.160 --> 1:43:11.800 or they're their second most catch on their North Dakota prairie. Um, 1:43:11.840 --> 1:43:15.439 so you've that like really puts a button on how 1:43:16.800 --> 1:43:21.240 these predators are spreading into areas that they weren't traditionally, uh, 1:43:21.439 --> 1:43:26.640 delta waterfowls trappers of what they catch are skunks and raccoons, 1:43:27.360 --> 1:43:31.280 and those are kind of public enemy number one, so 1:43:31.320 --> 1:43:35.400 to speak. On duck eggs, it's interesting to see if 1:43:35.439 --> 1:43:37.840 you ever looked at maps of the spread of raccoons 1:43:37.840 --> 1:43:42.320 and apossums. Really, I haven't seen actual map, but yeah, 1:43:42.439 --> 1:43:44.840 I'm oh, I can imagine. I mean they, I mean 1:43:45.080 --> 1:43:49.080 the apostomies to be like a southeastern US animal, and 1:43:49.520 --> 1:43:52.600 raccoons just a Riparian animal. You know what else is 1:43:52.680 --> 1:43:55.479 spread that you wouldn't expect is um the have Alina 1:43:56.360 --> 1:44:00.360 mm yeah, really expanding expanding north The Halinas have been 1:44:00.360 --> 1:44:04.880 expanding northward like in historic times? Is it? Is it agriculture? 1:44:05.400 --> 1:44:06.799 I don't know what that. I don't know what that happening. 1:44:06.960 --> 1:44:09.840 Things linked to I think the possums and raccoons is 1:44:09.880 --> 1:44:15.040 like climate egg elimination of big predators. Yeah, yeah, there's 1:44:15.840 --> 1:44:18.639 there's definitely no big predators to keep them in check. 1:44:19.080 --> 1:44:22.880 You know, somewhat coyotes can a little bit. But but 1:44:22.960 --> 1:44:25.080 then even like even like I mean, we did so 1:44:25.160 --> 1:44:27.559 much damage to gray horned owls and other things that 1:44:27.560 --> 1:44:31.760 would kill them, you know, yeah. Yeah, and to actually 1:44:32.720 --> 1:44:36.120 put into perspective how many of those animals are on 1:44:36.160 --> 1:44:39.880 the landscape a six mile by six mile block for 1:44:39.960 --> 1:44:44.479 a Delta trapper, they're catching three hundred of these meso 1:44:44.520 --> 1:44:49.679 predators a year, which just for a township. Yeah, Which 1:44:49.720 --> 1:44:54.160 it's incredible. It's hard to comprehend how there's egg in 1:44:54.200 --> 1:44:56.720 an area that ever hatches. Where are they doing there? Like, 1:44:56.760 --> 1:44:59.160 how are they determined where to do their work? Yeah, 1:44:59.240 --> 1:45:03.439 so that's a really in interesting thing. Delta waterfowl is 1:45:05.439 --> 1:45:09.240 they are focusing their trapping, so they've got contract trappers 1:45:09.320 --> 1:45:11.400 and that's part of their mission. Sorry, just because I 1:45:11.400 --> 1:45:14.080 mean it would be helpful for me for everybody, you 1:45:14.120 --> 1:45:17.000 just tell me what is Delta waterfowl? Yeah? So Delta 1:45:17.040 --> 1:45:22.360 Waterfowl is one of the two major duck conservation organizations, right, 1:45:22.640 --> 1:45:28.000 Ducks Unlimited being the one everyone historically is recognized. Ducks 1:45:28.080 --> 1:45:31.040 Limited and Delta are both very important. You hear more 1:45:31.080 --> 1:45:33.559 and more and more about Delta waterfowl all the time 1:45:33.760 --> 1:45:36.200 to do more and more work. Yeah, for sure. And 1:45:36.320 --> 1:45:38.360 I remember like it SE's like, you know, do you 1:45:38.400 --> 1:45:40.240 just grow up with right? Yeah? I remember being like 1:45:40.280 --> 1:45:43.200 what Delta warfalls like I don't go a week now 1:45:43.200 --> 1:45:47.080 without hearing about something Delta Waterfall does. And and part 1:45:47.080 --> 1:45:49.280 of that is that they just have they have the 1:45:49.320 --> 1:45:52.160 same end goal, right, but they have a different mission 1:45:52.200 --> 1:45:56.000 path to get there. Ducks Unlimited is more habitat focused, 1:45:56.520 --> 1:45:59.840 and they preserve ship loads of wetlands. Yes, and ducks 1:45:59.840 --> 1:46:04.439 on limited like is absolutely fundamentally important to you know, 1:46:04.920 --> 1:46:07.720 keeping a lot of wetlands intact for a hundred years, 1:46:07.760 --> 1:46:11.519 two hundred years like take they like raise money, cape 1:46:11.560 --> 1:46:15.000 money by wetlands, preserve it, usually turn it over. Usually 1:46:15.000 --> 1:46:19.040 all becomes public honey grown. Ye. Phenomenal group, oh for sure. 1:46:19.400 --> 1:46:23.920 Delta waterfowl their mission is okay, we have some wetlands 1:46:23.920 --> 1:46:27.320 out there and some grasslands out there that we've gone 1:46:27.320 --> 1:46:30.679 and preserved, but they're not producing ducks. And the reason 1:46:30.720 --> 1:46:34.799 they're not producing ducks is, you know, one of the 1:46:34.840 --> 1:46:39.960 reasons is predation. And so Delta Waterfowl is a really 1:46:40.000 --> 1:46:45.920 cool um method to the madness on how they pick 1:46:46.240 --> 1:46:51.080 where they where they trapped. So they have to have 1:46:51.439 --> 1:46:54.599 they're looking for high volume areas meaning there's a lot 1:46:54.600 --> 1:47:01.000 of ducks but low grassland percentage, so are ideal place 1:47:01.080 --> 1:47:04.160 to go. Trap is a place that has sixty two 1:47:04.320 --> 1:47:09.040 hundred nesting pairs of ducks using the area using a 1:47:09.080 --> 1:47:16.439 square mile UM. But then that area is less than 1:47:16.479 --> 1:47:20.160 ten percent grass. And you find a lot of that, 1:47:20.760 --> 1:47:23.400 you know, across South Dakota North Dakota, right where you 1:47:23.439 --> 1:47:27.840 have a CRP patch next to a wetland that's not 1:47:27.960 --> 1:47:31.920 productive ground and it's surrounded on all sides by agriculture. Well, 1:47:31.960 --> 1:47:34.800 those ducks really will key in on that like low 1:47:34.960 --> 1:47:38.960 lying nonproductive ground to a farmer, and you end up 1:47:39.000 --> 1:47:43.080 with high densities of breeding pairs there, but they're surrounded 1:47:43.120 --> 1:47:46.599 on all sides by you know, corn or wheat or whatever, 1:47:47.240 --> 1:47:50.320 and so you end up with this area of the 1:47:50.400 --> 1:47:54.439 ducks are on an island of grassland, so to speak, 1:47:54.800 --> 1:47:56.840 and they end up with a bunch of predators coming 1:47:56.880 --> 1:48:01.320 in and and raiding those nests um. To kind of 1:48:01.360 --> 1:48:05.759 put into perspective how bad that predation is on those nests. 1:48:07.000 --> 1:48:10.479 Delta Waterfowl did a four year study in Manitoba that 1:48:10.720 --> 1:48:15.000 over four years those areas that were not trapped had 1:48:15.040 --> 1:48:19.559 a two percent nest success. And nest uh success is 1:48:19.600 --> 1:48:25.200 not like, oh the whole nest hatched, one egg counts 1:48:25.240 --> 1:48:30.000 his nest success and so one duck is a successful nest, 1:48:30.960 --> 1:48:37.120 so only two even had a duck is wild and 1:48:37.160 --> 1:48:42.720 then the areas that were trapped were success. Yeah, so 1:48:42.800 --> 1:48:45.840 it like it helps, it matters. And they did the 1:48:45.960 --> 1:48:50.559 similar study in North Dakota. Um, North Dakota doesn't quite 1:48:50.600 --> 1:48:56.080 have the same predator problem like that area of Manitoba does, 1:48:56.439 --> 1:49:04.200 but uh not trap nest success, but thirty success on trap. 1:49:04.840 --> 1:49:08.680 So if you can key in on those areas that like, 1:49:08.760 --> 1:49:13.599 it really can impact duck you know, duck production for sure. 1:49:14.360 --> 1:49:17.759 And you know it's not just that these predators killed ducks. 1:49:17.840 --> 1:49:22.520 I mean, there's everything likes the duck and duck eggs. 1:49:22.560 --> 1:49:27.200 But the another population of animals that has exploded that's 1:49:27.240 --> 1:49:33.960 really interesting is the like corvids and ravens, really crows. Yeah, 1:49:34.160 --> 1:49:37.680 so there's more of those around, not just more a 1:49:37.840 --> 1:49:42.479 six hundred percent increase in thirty years. Yeah, and they 1:49:42.479 --> 1:49:46.240 say the great attributed to what. When I asked that question, 1:49:46.320 --> 1:49:49.240 it seemed more like it was conjecture, expert conjecture, but 1:49:49.360 --> 1:49:53.559 also like more access to road kill, grain fields like 1:49:53.680 --> 1:49:55.840 all you know, I mean, think of the amount of 1:49:55.880 --> 1:49:59.760 stuff that we just kill that lays everywhere. But but 1:49:59.840 --> 1:50:01.840 you saying, here's the weird. The weird part about it 1:50:01.840 --> 1:50:04.559 is you get like you're talking over thirty years. Okay, 1:50:04.720 --> 1:50:06.360 So if you look at the big the great fur 1:50:06.520 --> 1:50:09.639 boom of like seventy eight to eighty two or eighty 1:50:09.640 --> 1:50:15.200 four whatever, one like every mezo predator on the planet 1:50:15.200 --> 1:50:18.720 would encounter a steel trap every night between November one 1:50:18.880 --> 1:50:23.000 and December thirty one those days, and you're like, there's 1:50:23.040 --> 1:50:26.760 like an event, right, there's an event that had a 1:50:26.840 --> 1:50:29.519 sort of like concrete end to it. If you get 1:50:29.560 --> 1:50:32.000 into magpies, you're not coming out of that, and you 1:50:32.040 --> 1:50:35.320 could be like, there's more stuff to scavenge perhaps, but 1:50:35.360 --> 1:50:37.160 then you'd be like, well since what well, since we 1:50:37.320 --> 1:50:42.040 lost our like large scavengers. Right, so you lose bears whatever, 1:50:42.720 --> 1:50:48.280 you lose lions and stuff, um or raptors whatever. But 1:50:48.320 --> 1:50:50.920 like I don't get like the like why over, Like 1:50:50.920 --> 1:50:53.160 I don't get like what could have happened in thirty years. 1:50:53.240 --> 1:50:54.439 I mean, I know people there used to be like, 1:50:54.479 --> 1:50:57.080 I have a book in my library of hunting books. Um, 1:50:57.439 --> 1:50:59.000 that makes it sound like a little warned. It is 1:50:59.080 --> 1:51:01.400 I have a show off with sm old ass hunting books. 1:51:01.439 --> 1:51:05.120 I have a book like how to Hunt crows hard cover. Yeah, 1:51:05.240 --> 1:51:08.840 people were, people were waging war on Corvid's for a 1:51:08.840 --> 1:51:11.000 while there. I mean they were. That's got you with you. 1:51:11.160 --> 1:51:13.120 I wonder if that was like the event down the 1:51:13.200 --> 1:51:16.400 magpie and the crow and the raven populations. So I 1:51:16.439 --> 1:51:19.559 wonder if it's just like seeing the rebound from that. Yeah, 1:51:19.560 --> 1:51:22.519 and you can't Canada. You're still i think allowed to 1:51:23.160 --> 1:51:25.559 at least in parts of Canada that they kind of 1:51:25.680 --> 1:51:29.120 still wageing war on ravens, but not you know, not 1:51:29.240 --> 1:51:32.920 the US and uh Dr Nikola I was talking about 1:51:32.920 --> 1:51:36.040 how the Great Basin over in Nevada, like that whole 1:51:36.880 --> 1:51:42.120 base in Marsh area. Um, it's like they don't even 1:51:42.160 --> 1:51:45.559 have a number for the increase of corvitt populations there. 1:51:45.640 --> 1:51:50.160 It's way more. And my kids and I like to 1:51:50.160 --> 1:51:54.320 set out our predator caller put it on crow flying, 1:51:54.479 --> 1:51:56.120 let's put it out in the yard. You can't do 1:51:56.120 --> 1:51:57.559 it too much. You can only do it like they 1:51:57.600 --> 1:52:02.040 figured it out pretty quick. Um, and we turned it 1:52:02.080 --> 1:52:04.479 on yesterday and didn't get any crowls. But holy ship, 1:52:04.600 --> 1:52:12.360 the magpies really, oh my god, fire up on cral 1:52:12.439 --> 1:52:16.720 fight m hmm. They were riled up. Well, you know 1:52:16.800 --> 1:52:20.120 we we protect all those populations, right, they don't have 1:52:20.200 --> 1:52:25.040 anything wiping them out. What what what percent increase six 1:52:25.920 --> 1:52:30.120 increase in thirty years and that's incredible. Yeah, I had 1:52:30.280 --> 1:52:34.200 Joel Brides from Delta. He he was like when they 1:52:34.720 --> 1:52:38.880 when those ravens really get on duck eggs, they are 1:52:38.960 --> 1:52:43.000 hell on him and he sent a picture that is unbelievable. 1:52:43.240 --> 1:52:46.519 It's gotta be a hundred eggs that a raven had 1:52:46.600 --> 1:52:49.680 cashed on top of a bunch of old Yep, that's 1:52:49.720 --> 1:52:51.160 a bunch of I'm looking at the picture. I don't 1:52:51.160 --> 1:52:53.960 know what I was looking at. That's a raven's cache 1:52:54.040 --> 1:52:57.960 of eggs. He eight and just sits on those railroad ties, 1:52:57.960 --> 1:53:03.599 goes and picks duck eggs, so you know every carries back. 1:53:05.720 --> 1:53:08.639 It's pretty impressive really when you think about how many 1:53:08.920 --> 1:53:12.200 eggs they can eat. And you know there's everything else 1:53:12.240 --> 1:53:15.360 too that eats them, snakes and whatever else. Pretty much 1:53:15.400 --> 1:53:17.880 everything wants to eat ducks and ducks eggs. But yeah, 1:53:17.880 --> 1:53:20.240 we're looking at a picture here there's of mink on 1:53:20.280 --> 1:53:23.840 a nest, a raccoon on a nest, and a really 1:53:23.840 --> 1:53:28.519 cute picture of Kyoe just sniffing around like fixing to 1:53:28.680 --> 1:53:35.680 eat all the eggs. Yeah, and there's they have so 1:53:35.760 --> 1:53:40.920 much more to this whole uh, to all the research 1:53:41.000 --> 1:53:45.479 they've done and what they're doing to try to I 1:53:45.479 --> 1:53:49.720 guess bring people like into the fold on understanding how 1:53:49.760 --> 1:53:53.200 we can make how we can make more use of 1:53:53.200 --> 1:53:56.320 the land we have. Right, we want more CRP, but 1:53:56.360 --> 1:53:58.880 we would also like to be more productive with the 1:53:58.880 --> 1:54:03.479 CRP we have. And you've seen it, and I tell 1:54:03.520 --> 1:54:07.840 people this all the time, like get an electronic call 1:54:08.120 --> 1:54:11.800 with a coon fight sound on it and February March 1:54:11.840 --> 1:54:13.599 when you're not sure what else you should be out doing, 1:54:13.840 --> 1:54:16.080 Like that's about as much. But you gotta set it 1:54:16.120 --> 1:54:20.040 on a coon tree, yeah, or or you know a 1:54:20.120 --> 1:54:24.040 culvert or a brush pile like this railroad tie pile here. 1:54:24.280 --> 1:54:27.880 Oh that's a good perfect Yeah. Hit people with that 1:54:27.960 --> 1:54:33.480 stat on snakes man. Yeah. So uh. Dr Nikolai, same 1:54:33.520 --> 1:54:37.040 guy from Delta Waterfowl. He was working on the Mississippi 1:54:37.120 --> 1:54:42.560 River in eight They were putting, uh, they were putting 1:54:42.640 --> 1:54:46.880 radios on ducklings that right as they hatch, they slip 1:54:46.920 --> 1:54:50.240 a radio under their skin and then put them back 1:54:50.280 --> 1:54:53.920 with mama. And they had caught and killed a snake 1:54:54.560 --> 1:55:00.200 that when they cut it open, eight radios so had 1:55:00.280 --> 1:55:04.920 wiped out a whole nest of ducklings. My kid was 1:55:04.960 --> 1:55:06.560 telling me the other day. He was in school, he's 1:55:06.600 --> 1:55:10.040 in sixth grade. They had a substitute teacher, he says, 1:55:09.920 --> 1:55:12.720 a really old man. And the old man said, I'm 1:55:12.760 --> 1:55:17.120 just gonna tell stories. I'm not going to teach. This 1:55:17.120 --> 1:55:18.840 is like when they couldn't get any teachers because of 1:55:20.560 --> 1:55:22.400 And my kid told me the story. The old man 1:55:22.480 --> 1:55:24.840 told him that he told a story that when he 1:55:24.960 --> 1:55:27.440 was a a kid, he went out into the handhouse 1:55:27.840 --> 1:55:30.280 and there was a snake in there, and they had 1:55:30.320 --> 1:55:34.120 big bulges in his body. So he took his machete 1:55:34.600 --> 1:55:37.960 and cut the snake in half and squeezed the eggs 1:55:38.000 --> 1:55:39.840 back out of it and put him back in the 1:55:39.920 --> 1:55:50.160 nest and they all hatched successfully. Okay, that's loves this guy. 1:55:51.640 --> 1:55:55.720 I want him to tell me stories. Yeah, no, that's so, 1:55:56.000 --> 1:56:00.600 you know, long story short, Like I think the whole 1:56:00.640 --> 1:56:03.760 the whole predator thing is it would be nice for 1:56:03.800 --> 1:56:06.160 people to kill some more, that's for sure. Yeah, you 1:56:06.160 --> 1:56:09.320 know what, I could just picture that. I agree. I 1:56:09.360 --> 1:56:11.280 can picture of the counter argument. Well, why are you 1:56:11.320 --> 1:56:14.480 prioritizing lots of ducks over lots of raccoons. It's not 1:56:14.560 --> 1:56:18.080 that you're just prioritizing lots of ducks over lots of raccoons. 1:56:18.200 --> 1:56:22.360 It's that we ourselves had the unnatural impact. Like these 1:56:22.360 --> 1:56:26.320 are not what meso predator populations should look like, these 1:56:26.320 --> 1:56:29.440 are out of whack, and they're not. It's not because 1:56:29.440 --> 1:56:32.840 all of a sudden the raccoon became so much more 1:56:32.840 --> 1:56:37.080 of a productive animal. It's because we had a you know, 1:56:37.400 --> 1:56:43.760 false influence the anthropos to speak on these populations. Uh, 1:56:43.840 --> 1:56:47.280 can I plug inside kids in an outdoor Outdoor Kids 1:56:47.320 --> 1:56:50.600 in an Inside World, which releases in May. You can 1:56:50.600 --> 1:56:53.280 pre order nonal ship. Well, not only that, Phil, Phil 1:56:53.280 --> 1:56:54.800 came back me up on this. I just spent three 1:56:54.880 --> 1:56:58.000 days sitting right here and did the whole audiobook. Yeah, 1:56:58.040 --> 1:57:04.440 you had a whole bag of lozenges, and oh, how 1:57:04.480 --> 1:57:06.840 do you keep you? That's that's the trick. The first 1:57:06.920 --> 1:57:10.000 day was hard, and I went home feeling not good. 1:57:10.280 --> 1:57:12.160 And then I then I then, like the same way 1:57:12.200 --> 1:57:14.200 you build up muscles, like you build up six pack, 1:57:14.880 --> 1:57:18.200 I built up like a throat six I'm not sure 1:57:19.040 --> 1:57:21.000 I built up I built up a six pack in 1:57:21.080 --> 1:57:23.120 my throat and by the end of the thing, I 1:57:23.160 --> 1:57:27.400 could have kept going um either way. In it, I 1:57:27.480 --> 1:57:30.640 like explore with with with how did like with kids 1:57:30.680 --> 1:57:33.080 around nature. I'm not saying that I like, I have 1:57:33.120 --> 1:57:35.840 a lot of experience now, I'm I'm saying I'm like 1:57:35.840 --> 1:57:37.840 I'm right or wrong on everything. But I've had like 1:57:37.880 --> 1:57:39.520 three kids and the oldest ones eleven, so I've been 1:57:39.520 --> 1:57:41.040 at it a while. I've been around a lot of kids. 1:57:41.320 --> 1:57:43.560 I talked about like the perils with kids of like 1:57:43.960 --> 1:57:51.600 looking down at nature. That's gross, right, And the perils 1:57:51.600 --> 1:57:54.960 of like looking up at it too much that they're 1:57:55.000 --> 1:57:59.440 sort of like that they shouldn't touch nature, right, that 1:57:59.560 --> 1:58:02.880 we're gross, Like we're the bad ones, and going near 1:58:02.920 --> 1:58:04.240 it is like it's best to look at it out 1:58:04.240 --> 1:58:07.000 the window and the Yellowstone right, Like don't go into it. 1:58:07.040 --> 1:58:09.680 You spoil it when you're into it. Uh. And I 1:58:09.760 --> 1:58:13.600 talked about the just this concept of like like humans 1:58:13.640 --> 1:58:17.280 are in this game. There is no now pretending that 1:58:17.320 --> 1:58:21.440 we're not in this thing, Like we have created conservation 1:58:21.480 --> 1:58:26.640 dependent species for sure, Like we've created like we have 1:58:26.760 --> 1:58:29.440 created a situation where a lot of the things that 1:58:29.480 --> 1:58:33.839 we enjoy and want to have around. They're now around. 1:58:33.840 --> 1:58:37.839 They're not around in spite of us, Like they're around 1:58:37.920 --> 1:58:41.640 because of us at this point, because of something we did. Yeah, 1:58:41.680 --> 1:58:43.600 but it'd be painful to see ducks get to a 1:58:43.600 --> 1:58:47.680 point where they're conservation dependent, right where if you just 1:58:47.720 --> 1:58:50.000 walked away and let the whole thing take care of itself, 1:58:50.200 --> 1:58:54.120 considering what we've done that, I don't know, do they 1:58:54.120 --> 1:58:57.280 blink out. I mean they don't. They wouldn't blink out, 1:58:57.280 --> 1:58:59.360 but it might not wouldn't look anywhere nearly as good 1:58:59.400 --> 1:59:02.600 as it does if you're involved, for sure. And you 1:59:02.640 --> 1:59:06.520 see you see that separation even by flyway in North 1:59:06.560 --> 1:59:10.480 America right where you have the Atlantic Flyway, Um, like 1:59:10.600 --> 1:59:13.800 really you know, kind of struggling with bird populations and 1:59:13.880 --> 1:59:17.240 other areas doing better and other species doing better, and 1:59:17.280 --> 1:59:21.240 you realize just how much we're affecting that and influencing that. 1:59:21.600 --> 1:59:26.280 Like snow geese in the Mid continent population are doing 1:59:26.320 --> 1:59:28.680 so well. Why are they doing so well? Well? It's 1:59:29.240 --> 1:59:32.880 very much so human influence. It's very much us providing 1:59:33.600 --> 1:59:37.640 these calorie rich grains all along their flyway. And yeah, 1:59:37.680 --> 1:59:41.880 you can't, like you just can't deny that, Like we 1:59:41.920 --> 1:59:47.120 have a major influence on their population, their food, their predation, 1:59:47.320 --> 1:59:51.160 like the whole the whole bit that we might influence 1:59:51.280 --> 1:59:54.760 ducks like as much as any other at least as 1:59:54.800 --> 1:59:58.720 much as the white tailed deer. Like. Are these guys 1:59:58.720 --> 2:00:01.280 that are doing these things they they're obviously not shy 2:00:01.320 --> 2:00:03.960 about talking about it. Are they afraid of catching ship 2:00:03.960 --> 2:00:10.640 with the animal rights people? Um? Not from my understanding, Like, 2:00:11.080 --> 2:00:13.600 I mean, they obviously are more interested in ducks than 2:00:13.600 --> 2:00:16.240 the R and p R. Yeah, and I also think 2:00:16.320 --> 2:00:20.480 that they like they can make that sound argument like 2:00:20.600 --> 2:00:24.280 this is not this is not natural either too. Do 2:00:24.280 --> 2:00:26.040 you think that you could talk to these fellers? Would 2:00:26.040 --> 2:00:28.880 they ever let someone come along with them? Oh? Yeah, yeah, 2:00:28.880 --> 2:00:32.280 they want they want us to join up. And uh, 2:00:32.480 --> 2:00:35.480 they have a specific way they like to trap for 2:00:36.560 --> 2:00:41.640 nest success in like in comparison to fur trapping. So 2:00:42.040 --> 2:00:43.760 you can probably learn a thing or two. Go run 2:00:43.760 --> 2:00:46.560 around in North Dakota, do a little trapping. But that 2:00:46.680 --> 2:00:51.960 you know what karian, Okay, that's called producing right there. 2:00:52.000 --> 2:00:53.840 I'd like to know. I'd like to know what one 2:00:53.840 --> 2:01:00.760 of them trappers makes annually. You know this gig doesn't work? Yeah, 2:01:00.760 --> 2:01:02.080 I feel like because there I would be like, you 2:01:02.120 --> 2:01:06.360 know what, I'm really making a difference every day in 2:01:06.440 --> 2:01:09.879 case that not just Hollywood and around that Werner Blade 2:01:09.920 --> 2:01:12.640 thing doesn't pan out, that ends up being too big 2:01:12.680 --> 2:01:23.840 an investment, trapping bankrupts and meat eater between that, Sean, 2:01:23.880 --> 2:01:26.680 that was a good dark report. What happens next, I 2:01:26.680 --> 2:01:28.320 don't know. I gotta think on that one. I'm not 2:01:28.360 --> 2:01:33.000 sure what I'm sex. I think I think on the 2:01:33.040 --> 2:01:35.400 next one, I want to go talk to the boys 2:01:35.440 --> 2:01:38.000 at Osborne Labs and they're the ones doing a lot 2:01:38.040 --> 2:01:41.680 of that GPS backpack work. And we had mentioned last 2:01:41.720 --> 2:01:45.520 time about what are the what is the odometer on 2:01:45.560 --> 2:01:48.720 these ducks? Look like, well, they're the guys with that information, 2:01:49.480 --> 2:01:52.280 so I think that'd be pretty cool there. Then was 2:01:52.360 --> 2:01:56.520 after that, I don't know, I got a story for 2:01:56.560 --> 2:01:59.800 you for the duck report. He's already in the typing 2:01:59.800 --> 2:02:05.640 because position I got you you ready, Um, what led 2:02:05.760 --> 2:02:07.960 up to the lead band and what were the results? 2:02:08.800 --> 2:02:12.000 Oh that's a good one, very good. Yeah, like that. 2:02:12.040 --> 2:02:13.320 I like that one. I want to hear. That's a 2:02:13.320 --> 2:02:18.800 good one. People. I was people. I came. I started 2:02:18.880 --> 2:02:21.360 duck hunting, like became a legal duck hunter in the 2:02:21.400 --> 2:02:24.200 aftermath of that, there were people who quit hunting. They 2:02:24.240 --> 2:02:26.480 probably weren't like die Hard anyway. There are people who 2:02:26.480 --> 2:02:30.000 are like out of protests, quit hunting ducks. Oh yeah, 2:02:30.160 --> 2:02:33.600 when the lead band came. It's very You can go 2:02:33.680 --> 2:02:37.280 dig through the forums from like ten fifteen years ago, 2:02:37.320 --> 2:02:39.960 when you know, when internet forums are a big deal 2:02:40.240 --> 2:02:43.200 and there's those guys that can't help themselves or like 2:02:43.240 --> 2:02:48.360 I haven't hunted ducks since whatever. Uh, but they're there 2:02:48.360 --> 2:02:52.520 on a waterfowl forum, like you must have really really 2:02:52.600 --> 2:02:56.720 like duck hunting. Yeah tomorrow. If they were like, Okay, 2:02:56.760 --> 2:02:59.240 you can't use steal, you gotta use bizmouth, I'd be like, 2:02:59.400 --> 2:03:02.880 all right, but I have a I have a request. 2:03:03.080 --> 2:03:06.400 It was one of Clay's uh episodes. I can't remember 2:03:06.400 --> 2:03:09.640 what he was talking about, Timber reservoir stuff, yeah, but 2:03:09.640 --> 2:03:12.720 it was something about migration because he was talking to 2:03:12.800 --> 2:03:16.400 an ornithologist that was explaining about how some of the 2:03:16.520 --> 2:03:19.240 ducks and I'll never forget this. I was telling Karna, 2:03:19.280 --> 2:03:21.080 which that because I heard I was selling karma, which 2:03:21.160 --> 2:03:24.000 is have an ordin mythologist on this show, but about 2:03:24.040 --> 2:03:26.240 how he thinks that some of these ducks that are 2:03:26.280 --> 2:03:30.280 flying down the center of our continent heading south. Then 2:03:30.280 --> 2:03:33.680 in one ear they can hear the Pacific, and then 2:03:33.760 --> 2:03:36.000 in the left ear that they can hear the Atlantic, 2:03:36.480 --> 2:03:39.800 and then on and then on their horizon, the stars 2:03:39.840 --> 2:03:42.800 that they're looking at are not moving because of the 2:03:42.840 --> 2:03:45.280 way that the world spends amongst the stars. The stars 2:03:45.280 --> 2:03:47.640 above them move, but the ones on the horizon that 2:03:47.640 --> 2:03:50.720 they're looking to don't move. And just like all that 2:03:51.240 --> 2:03:55.000 was like that, he feels that they are literally sensing 2:03:55.040 --> 2:03:57.800 oceans on either side of them, and they know which 2:03:57.800 --> 2:04:00.200 one it is, and that's how they get from point 2:04:00.200 --> 2:04:01.720 at a point B there. I don't know about that, 2:04:01.760 --> 2:04:03.720 but I like the idea for I like the idea 2:04:03.800 --> 2:04:05.360 for Duck report. How do they know where they're at? 2:04:05.760 --> 2:04:08.200 There's some really good stuff on that I've already done 2:04:08.200 --> 2:04:11.320 some of the least. You got four Duck reports. You 2:04:11.400 --> 2:04:15.040 got the odometer, Osborne Labs got what led up to 2:04:15.040 --> 2:04:20.120 the lead band and what happened after. You got the 2:04:20.200 --> 2:04:25.000 yanniest thing about how they could feel the oceans. We're 2:04:25.040 --> 2:04:27.720 set for a few months here, Duck Special Power. How 2:04:27.760 --> 2:04:29.680 often do we do a Sean's Duck Report. We're doing 2:04:29.720 --> 2:04:33.720 them once a month right now. Thirty years done. Oh man, 2:04:33.800 --> 2:04:36.240 I have the best idea for a little musical bit 2:04:36.880 --> 2:04:42.480 for Sean's Dark Report Ducktails. Oh yeah, I'm feeling alright. 2:04:42.520 --> 2:04:47.920 Everybody go up, I don't know, go pre order Outdoor 2:04:48.000 --> 2:04:49.720 Kids an Inside World. 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