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Speaker 1: Welcome to The Giants Huddle. Get Him in a Huddle,

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Speaker 1: Get Him in a Huddle, Get Him in a Huddle,

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Speaker 1: a New York Giants podcast. I'm Paula Tino and welcome

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Speaker 1: to another edition of the Giants Huddle Podcast. Today's guest

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Speaker 1: is Hall of Famer and Giants legendary linebacker Harry Carson.

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Speaker 1: you like what you hear. And now we welcome in

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Speaker 1: Harry Carson. Harry, when you look at this this Giant's

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Speaker 1: rookie class, obviously led by Daniel Jones, the quarterback who

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Speaker 1: had a sensational game against Tampa in his pro starting debut,

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Speaker 1: what strikes you about him and about the rest of

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Speaker 1: these rookies that is going to allow them to make

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Speaker 1: a quick impact. Well, I think they all kind of

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Speaker 1: come in here under the same circumstances. They have a

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Speaker 1: coach who has and GM who selected them to fill

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Speaker 1: the void of certain players who have departed, and uh

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Speaker 1: they have the opportunity to uh learned the game but

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Speaker 1: also apply what they've learned early on, as opposed to

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Speaker 1: you know, just sort of sitting on the bench for

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Speaker 1: a number of years before you know they get the

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Speaker 1: call up. In terms of Daniel Jones, and I'll be

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Speaker 1: a little bit more specific regarding him, looking at what

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Speaker 1: he has done so far, UM, I like everything that

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Speaker 1: I see, and I think that, UM, he was definitely

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Speaker 1: a very good choice for UM the Giant organization, especially

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Speaker 1: UM with him having the mobility to UM you know,

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Speaker 1: keep plays alive and take a little pressure off of

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Speaker 1: the offensive line. So you know, I just think that, Uh,

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Speaker 1: I think they're only going to get better and better.

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Speaker 1: If you're the middle linebacker looking at the Giants offense

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Speaker 1: and you see the personnel that they can deploy, how

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Speaker 1: would you deal with them? Well, you know, it's one

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Speaker 1: thing to see look across the line and see Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 1: but you also have to take into account who's in

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Speaker 1: who's going to be opening the holes for those guys,

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Speaker 1: who's going to be blocking Because I gotta get away

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Speaker 1: I look at what they've done with the offensive line

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Speaker 1: and uh, the offensive line I think is vastly improved.

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Speaker 1: And uh, you know, you take guys from different arenas.

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Speaker 1: Um it takes players when they they're taken from one

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Speaker 1: team and infuse them to another team. It always takes

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Speaker 1: them a little time to sort of mesh. And I

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Speaker 1: think you know, they're at this point now where the

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Speaker 1: offensive line really should be meshing very well to provide

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Speaker 1: you know, uh protection for the quarterback, but also opening

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Speaker 1: holes for for the running back. So you know, it's

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Speaker 1: not just the marquee players that you see and what

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Speaker 1: the NFL is celebrating its one hundredth anniversary. In the

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Speaker 1: first hundred years, I want to go to your threeteen

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Speaker 1: moments in the hundred years of the NFL. And it

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Speaker 1: doesn't have to have been a giant play. Wow. M Paul.

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Speaker 1: You got me stumped because there's so many plays that

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Speaker 1: It turned into a positive, but also a teachable moment

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Speaker 1: You know no one has done that. Sense Zanka and

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Speaker 1: it was so painful. You look at you know, there's

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Speaker 1: Can you give me that play? No, Paul, let me

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Speaker 1: tell you something. The one, the one thing that people

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Speaker 1: going to come from with the Gatorade bucket in Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl twenty one. That's how people will remember me. Now.

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Speaker 1: Plays on the field, people remember Lawrence Taylor. For the

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Speaker 1: And there is no that's That's not one of those

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Speaker 1: I've always understood what my role was. I understand that, Um,

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Speaker 1: was pretty neat. But you know something, Harry, You get

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Speaker 1: But Willie Lanier was the fir black middle linebacker in

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Speaker 1: Captain emeritiths basically captain of a lifetime for the New

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Speaker 1: is I love the guys who I played with. You know,

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Speaker 1: you know guys who played for him, he calls them

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Speaker 1: Parcels guys. Well, the guys who I played with, I

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