1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington corresponded for Bloomberg Television and 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,480 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Radio, and earlier today, the New York Times 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: and The Washington Post reporting on former National security adviser 4 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: to the Trump administration John Bolton's book. According to the reports, 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: Bolton alleges that President Trump asked she Jing Ping of 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 1: China for an assist in the election. That's where I 7 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: began my exclusive interview with Tim Mertzal, director of communications 8 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: for the Trump for President campaign, on Bloomberg Television earlier. 9 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: Take a listen. Look, I think what folks need to 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: know about John Bolton is that he is now a 11 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,120 Speaker 1: disgruntled former employee, and in order to get this book 12 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 1: deal that he's touting, he had to agree to include 13 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: classified information that he had access to when he was 14 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: working in the administration. And so, look, this is something 15 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: that has already been tried a couple of times. First 16 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: we had the Great Russia Collusion hoax, which dragged the 17 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: country through that for two years before that blew up 18 00:00:54,480 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: and turned out to be never true. And then there 19 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: was the Ukraine nonsense which led led to the to 20 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: the Sham impeachment. So this is This is just another 21 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 1: another attempt at the same old thing. And uh and 22 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: this one will fail just like the first two did. 23 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: So you're saying he didn't ask President she for help 24 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 1: to win the election. I just want to be clear. 25 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a it's absurd. It's an absurd allegation. 26 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: And John Bolden is just trying to sell books. And 27 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: that's all there is to it, all Right. The economy 28 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: has been in full effect here, Tim, As you know, 29 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: particularly in battleground states, the reopening of the economy has 30 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: divided Republicans and Democrats. If we are not headed for 31 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: a V shape recovery come the fall, are you concerned 32 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: that that could cause President Trump reelection? But I think 33 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: we're already seeing evidence of the Great American comeback already 34 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: being underway, and a lot of economists are in fact 35 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: predicting a V shape recovery. We saw the greatest single 36 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: month of job creation in this nation's history in May, 37 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: two and a half million new jobs created. We also 38 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:54,640 Speaker 1: sell retail sales jump by almost eighteen percent, which again 39 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: is the largest one month jump in retail sales in 40 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: this nation's history. And so the coonomy that the President 41 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: built in the first place before it was interrupted by 42 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: the coronavirus, is that's the place where the president can 43 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: get us back to. You can contrast that with Joe Biden. 44 00:02:09,720 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: He's got a record of overseeing the slowest economic recovery 45 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: since the Great Depression, and he says that the first 46 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 1: thing that he would do as president would be to 47 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: raise taxes by repealing the Trump tax cuts. That's a 48 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: tax increase on nine of American taxpayers. That is an 49 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: economy killer. Top that with the idea that he has 50 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 1: embraced the Green New Deal, which puts piles of regulations 51 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,200 Speaker 1: on these businesses who are trying to recover, and also 52 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: would crush the entire energy industry and kill ten million 53 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: jobs nationally. I think if the question is the economy, 54 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: president Trump wins that argument hands down. Well, since take 55 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 1: us into Michigan because polls there, I know, you look 56 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: at the polls in Michigan in particular, a key battleground 57 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: state of his instrumental and President Trump winning in have 58 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: him trailing there to Biden, what what economic message has 59 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: to resonate specifically in Michigan, Tim in order to turn 60 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: those polls around. Well, we don't put any stock in 61 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: public polls. First of all, they've they've always been wrong 62 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 1: about President Trump, as we learned in twenty sixteen, and 63 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: we know that the President still runs strong against Joe 64 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: Biden in all of the states that we track uh 65 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: and that includes Michigan. Again, Joe Biden has a very 66 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 1: difficult problem in Michigan with union workers and with manufacturing folks, 67 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: and with the economy there. Joe Biden voted for NAFTA. 68 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 1: That is something that he is not going to get 69 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: away with and get away from. This is something that 70 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:32,959 Speaker 1: killed American jobs. It moved manufacturing jobs overseas. Joe Biden 71 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: voted to include China in the World Trade Organization. That 72 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: is something he championed at the time. He said that 73 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: China had the economic impact the same as the Netherlands. 74 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: If that shows you the level of his naivete, Joe 75 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: Biden has a very serious problem. He has been complicit 76 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: in these bad trade deals and sending our American jobs overseas. 77 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: President Trump has a record of establishing much better trade deals. 78 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: He tore up NAFTA and got U s m c 79 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: A in its place. That is a much better or 80 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: deal on economic arguments. No matter what the front Joe 81 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: Biden can't hold a candle to President Trump. It's trade, trades. 82 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: Trade is going to be the key issue in those 83 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: battleground states that Republicans are gonna draw on. And I 84 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: want to ask you about the George George Floyd protests 85 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 1: and how how have they impacted the presidential campaign? Uh 86 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,359 Speaker 1: and and especially in terms of outreach to minority communities 87 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: as well as to suburbs. To the suburbs I think 88 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 1: you saw yesterday how how intent the President is on 89 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: leading this country in signing the executive Order about police reforms, 90 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: talking about safe communities and safe Policing's. Look, this is 91 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:37,679 Speaker 1: something that the President managed to accomplish in just four years, 92 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: while Joe Biden has had over forty years in Washington. 93 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: And if Joe Biden now talks like these are things 94 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: that he wanted to do all along, then why didn't 95 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: he do anything about it in his forty years in Washington, 96 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: including eight years as vice president. There is no question 97 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: that the video and what we saw and what the 98 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: President saw of what happened to George Floyd in Minneapolis 99 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 1: was shocking and horrifying. And there's no question that people 100 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: support the peaceful protests that grew out of that. They're 101 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,279 Speaker 1: protected by the First Amendment after all, but the violence 102 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: and looting and the burning that that is not something 103 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: that Americans can stand for. And President Trump stands for 104 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: law enforcement and he stands with with with police officers. 105 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 1: We know that the vast, vast majority of law enforcement 106 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: officers are good, solid people protecting their communities, and President 107 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: Trump stands with them. So I want to ask you 108 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 1: a final question just about this sense of normalcy that 109 00:05:28,720 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 1: I know you say you don't look at poles, but look, 110 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,720 Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at the polls, a lot 111 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: of independent voters are are wondering when is this sense 112 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: of normalcy in the country going to return. It's been 113 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,799 Speaker 1: a very volatile summer, uh, for a host of different reasons. 114 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: So to to the to the swing voter, to the 115 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 1: seventy thousand voters who have previously voted for Obama then 116 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: voted for for now President Trump, what do you say 117 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: to them who are looking at this scratching their heads 118 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: and whether it's the the economy and or or the 119 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 1: the unrest in the country pertaining to George Floyd, what 120 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 1: do you say to them who are are undecided and 121 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: they're going to decide this election. Well, I would say 122 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: that Americans know that the economy had reached unprecedented heights 123 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: under President Trump's leadership before it was artificially interrupted by 124 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: the global pandemic. And let's remember that it was a 125 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:17,799 Speaker 1: pandemic and is a pandemic that was affecting the entire world. 126 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: And so when the economy was interrupted, and now as 127 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: we begin to come out of that, this is the 128 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,719 Speaker 1: Great American comeback that is underway. And people should remember 129 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: whose policies it was under that built economy up to 130 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: that position in the first place. And we do we 131 00:06:31,680 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: have to get back to normalcy. We have to get 132 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,200 Speaker 1: back to the United States being open for business again. 133 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: And I think the President's rally in Tulsa this weekend 134 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 1: will be a great, big, visible symbol of that. It 135 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: is time for America to get back to work, and 136 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: Americans want to get back to work. And that's and 137 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: that's what the President is doing, leading the Great American 138 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: come back. All right, said, I know you're headed. It's 139 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: also you're gonna wear a mask at the rally. Got 140 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: ask you? I mean, we will have them and uh, 141 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: we'll see what it's like. I mean, we feel safe. 142 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: Everyone's going to get temperature checks, masks will be provided, 143 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: and uh, I think we we feel pretty safe. And 144 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: and Oklahoma is one of the most open states in 145 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: the country. They're not requiring mask wearing in public in 146 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: in Oklahoma any longer because they're they're far along in 147 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: the reopening process. So I would tell anybody who's thinking 148 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: about coming to the rally that if you come to 149 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: the President's rally, you're gonna be perfectly safe. All Right, 150 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: there you have it. They're gonna be wearing masks. They're 151 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:25,679 Speaker 1: gonna be wearing masks and Tulsa. That was Tim Murtal. 152 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: He is the communications director for President Trump's re election campaign. 153 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: Breaking the town. They are going to be heading back 154 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: on that book. I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent for 155 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. 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Amid 173 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: Balton book claims it's getting interesting, folks, and coming up 174 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: tomorrow on the program, we will bring you my exclusive 175 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: interviews with Senator Chris Coons and Marsha Blackburn. You don't 176 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 1: want to miss that. Uh okay, right now we're gonna talk. 177 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 1: I was literally just thinking of our next. Yes, Roger Fisk, 178 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: He's a Democratic strategist. He's a long time President Obama aide, 179 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 1: and he's the principal of New Day strategy. And literally, 180 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: when I was on a run yesterday, I thought, where's 181 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: Roger been? When are we going to get to talk 182 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: to Roger? And then it's like Christine Baranta, who's back 183 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: from Vek. Well, we're still working remotely, but back from Vaca. 184 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: It's like she read my mind, snapped my fingers. There's Roger. Roger, 185 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: what have you been up to? I've been missing you, man, 186 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: Paul said, no one ever. I appreciate. I appreciate that's 187 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: that's that's kind of you. That's kind of you. And 188 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: I'm always thrilled to be on and and I love 189 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: Bloomberg News, so it's great to be here. All right. 190 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: So Biden was back in Delco, actually my neck of 191 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,839 Speaker 1: the woods. He ventured out from the campaign headquarters of 192 00:09:55,880 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: Philly and was in Delco, the suburbs, um and he's emerging. 193 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: What are we hearing from Joe Biden today? Well, I 194 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 1: think it's important that he gets out there first and foremost, right, 195 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: I mean, his frustration is obviously he's up against someone 196 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 1: who has the full machinery of the effecutive branch on 197 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: the federal government on their side and to try to 198 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:16,640 Speaker 1: make a dent in that and to try to make 199 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: some news. It's encouraging that it's his first kind of 200 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:23,319 Speaker 1: baby steps out there onto the road and and seeing 201 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: if he can get around and actually start to generate 202 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: some news. Um. What I think you'll see is a 203 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: slow ramping up of this um. But I think it's 204 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,200 Speaker 1: healthy and I think it's an indication that we might 205 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: be starting to see little glimmers of something we could 206 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 1: call normalcy. Okay, So what I think is fascinating that 207 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: we heard in the interview with tim Myrtle at the 208 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: top of the show, Uh, he's the constructor for the 209 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: Trump campaign, is essentially they're saying that on the issue 210 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: of race relations, on the issue of police reform, Trump's 211 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 1: gonna get up on a debate stage and look abye 212 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: it and say, well, if you wanted to do this, 213 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: why didn't you do any of these police reforms it 214 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: during the eight years of the Obama administration or during 215 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: your forty year public service career. What is Joe Biden 216 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 1: going to say back to that during that debate moment? 217 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,839 Speaker 1: I think, first off, he has to divest people of 218 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: the idea that it's a binary choice. Right. The Obama administration. 219 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: Administration did things like the National Police Data Initiative, which 220 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 1: was actually something that this executive order kind of referenced. 221 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: There was a Fair Sentencing Act, the whole number of things. 222 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: It wasn't as sweeping when you look at it in 223 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: a in a generational legislative context as the Crime Bill 224 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 1: of ninety four UM, which is much more identified with 225 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: the former vice president. But I think what he needs 226 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: to do, the former Vice president needs to go out 227 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: and say it's not a question of you know, impacted 228 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:51,160 Speaker 1: constituencies and community leaders versus police unions, because you need 229 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:56,960 Speaker 1: both any system of sociable order, you need some level 230 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: of order to impose some kind of justice, and any 231 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: social of order that doesn't produce some kind of justice 232 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 1: isn't going to be in business too long. So you 233 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: actually need both sides of that. So I think he 234 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:09,280 Speaker 1: needs to go out and say, of course, my record, 235 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: because that's how we get to real comprehensive solutions. And 236 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: I think he can actually, I think he can actually 237 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: win this UM if he does like the difficult kind 238 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:24,240 Speaker 1: of legislative groundwork and goes out. And also he needs 239 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 1: to spend a lot of time with the impacted communities 240 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: and make sure people can put crime built in a 241 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:35,319 Speaker 1: context because it was needed at the time. So, you know, 242 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: I want to go back to something that you said, Roger, first, 243 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: Democratic strategiest, longtime aids, the President Obama, and now the 244 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: principle of new day strategy. I want to get back 245 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: to the point of what you said, because you know, 246 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: when I was prepping for the show today, you know, 247 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: I check all the sites, all the all the hill 248 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: rag sites, and I was on politico dot com and 249 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 1: there's only one mention of Biden's name. Are two mentions 250 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: on Biden's name on the lead page. And it gets 251 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: back to what you were alleging or speaking about earlier, 252 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,439 Speaker 1: which is his problem breaking through. His fundraising numbers are strong, 253 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: his fundraising numbers have surged. But I'm not hearing Joe 254 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: Biden shaking up this race or shaking up the narrative. 255 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: I mean, is that a risky bet that this is 256 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,560 Speaker 1: just going to be a vote for an up and 257 00:13:20,559 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: down vote on on Trump, Because I don't know, I mean, 258 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: it just seems a little risky. Oh it is, And 259 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to be going about it 260 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 1: that way. And I've said this all along, and you 261 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: and I have touched on it a couple of times, 262 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: that any person running for anything needs to start with 263 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 1: a blank piece of paper. They need to lay out 264 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: exactly what they want to do their constituents and how 265 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 1: they see the next five or ten years going in 266 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 1: terms of transportation, infrastructure, healthcare, train, etcetera. And you and 267 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: you can't factor your opponents perceive strength or weaknesses into 268 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: that one page kind of justification for why you want 269 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: to go out there and run. So anyone who goes 270 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: out there thinking that they're opponent is going to lose 271 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: it for them and that that's how they're gonna win 272 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: is in the wrong business. Um. And I still think 273 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 1: he has time to do that, and I think he 274 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: has time to go out and and lay out that agenda. 275 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: But you and I have also touched on this is 276 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: interesting about both individuals. Biden's going up, you know, while 277 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: he's in his basement, and the President goes his numbers 278 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: go up when he's not on the news. So if 279 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: the President could actually exercise a little self restraint maybe 280 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: back down to that bunker for a couple more inspections 281 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: every once in a while, then maybe maybe maybe his 282 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: numbers would go up. But as we know, um, self 283 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: restraint and self discipline is not going to be at 284 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: the top of anyone's lists of descriptions of the current 285 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: occupant of the White House. You know. Karl W. Smith 286 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 1: has an up ed on Bloomberg Opinion and he is 287 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: the vice president for Federal Policy at the Tax Foundation, 288 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: and he says, he writes, President Barack Obama's success working 289 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,840 Speaker 1: hand in hand with Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernankee and 290 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: stemming the damage of the global financial crisis back in 291 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight has led many commentators to overestimate 292 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: his record in handling the great recession that followed. And 293 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: the point of Karl's column is that, yes there was 294 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: Bernanke and Obama were able to work to stop the bleeding, 295 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 1: so to speak, during the eight crash, but they didn't 296 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: do enough to promote a longer term economic growth in 297 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: the recovery. That's something that I heard from MYRTA as well. 298 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: How does Biden combat that? In the minute that we 299 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: have left, Roger Fisk to say that he's going to 300 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: be able to spike the growth well. Both the former 301 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: Vice president as well as the former president approached it 302 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: as a policy challenge as a as a as a 303 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: problem that could be somewhat or partially solved by policy 304 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: and working with the fat as you just mentioned, and 305 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: everything else. The current occupant of the White House sees 306 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: everything from the virus on through the economy and everything else. 307 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: It's just a messaging war, right. He has three tools 308 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 1: in his bag, which are to insult, to lie, or 309 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 1: to brag, and you've seen that he's already extinguished them 310 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: in his approach to the virus. And the vice former 311 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 1: my president would look at it our policy challenge. Hey, Roger, 312 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: you know that music. I was just thinking in my head, 313 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: Roger should get out his guitar the next time he's 314 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: on and play his own ultra. There you go, because 315 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: Roger and I have face time that he's giving me 316 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: a tour with his guitar. Is Roger Fitz. We'll check 317 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: in with you soon, buddy, Thanks for coming on. Coming 318 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 1: up next, Doug, Hi, I'm Kevin Sirelli. You're listening to 319 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Nune and I one. This is Bloomberg Sound On 320 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: with Kevin Surley on Bloomberg one and one oh five 321 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: point seven f M HD two. I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief 322 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: Washington correspondent from Bloomberg Television. In Bloomberg Radio. It is 323 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: a rainy day here in Washington. You know. We were 324 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: talking with Marufal He's he runs the boards for us 325 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: up in New York, and I said, do you like 326 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: the rain? He said, you know, some days I like 327 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: the rain. Some days they don't like me. I like 328 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,080 Speaker 1: the rain. Folks. You know, on a day like this, 329 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: just drive carefully wherever you're going, slow down, take a breath. 330 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: We all don't have to be in a rush, you know, 331 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: we're all in a rush. I feel like I've slowed 332 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: down during this pandemic, you know, I feel like I've 333 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,959 Speaker 1: really been able to catch my breath. Doug Highs on 334 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 1: the line. He has senior vice president of Media at 335 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: Craft Media Digital. He's the former deputy chief of staff 336 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: former House Majority Leader Eric Cander. I hate this whole thing, 337 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: this whole situation, Doug. I don't like it, but I 338 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: try to look for I try to look for the good. 339 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: What what good have you found in the in the 340 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 1: last three months? Doug Well let me start with the bad. 341 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: It's supposed to rain for another six days straight, Kevin, 342 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: and but a week of it, I can't have build 343 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: an arch. Look I the good. You know, it's hard 344 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: to find it and and it's one of the things 345 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: that I, UM, I try and do myself. And it's 346 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: you know, you do that through reaching out the friends, 347 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: whether it's the folks you talk to every day or 348 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: the folks you don't talk to every day that you 349 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,679 Speaker 1: send a note to for some kind of you know, 350 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: human connection and reassure Lawrence, but also you know, I 351 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 1: look for and you and I've talked about this a 352 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: little bit in the past, you know, who's doing It's 353 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: really easy to get depressed these days and to point 354 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: what's point out what's going wrong, And so I try 355 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,639 Speaker 1: and find, you know, where are things going right? And 356 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: it's one of the one of the reasons I'm still 357 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: enthusiastic about the job that Larry Hogan has done in Maryland. 358 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: Um not just um in doing a good job of 359 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:28,600 Speaker 1: containing the virus, but as a communications guy watching impressed 360 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: by the job that he and his team. Mike Ricci, 361 00:18:31,840 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 1: who's his communications director, Kata Hall in the press shop 362 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 1: Lieutenant Governor Boyd Rutterford I used to work with at 363 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: the r n C. You know. They it's it's almost 364 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: novel in to give people facts, treat them with respect 365 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: and like adults, and expect and expect that they will 366 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: react to that positively. Which is what we've seen here. 367 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: And what we haven't seen is what we see so often, 368 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: not just from the administration but on Capitol Hill in 369 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: both parties, which is the name calling, the trying to 370 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: own somebody else on a tweet, and all those things 371 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: that aren't productive to helping voters make good, good decisions. 372 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: It's not even exhausting because it doesn't even tire me out. 373 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: It's just it's it's childish. You know. Hey, Hey, Mike, 374 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: Doug just gave you a shout out. Let's get the 375 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: Gov on the show. Come on, Mike, Come on, Mike, 376 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 1: Let's get Gov. Helgin on the show. Doug post some 377 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: strengths from me, all right, buddy, I will put in 378 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: a good word, you know. Yeah, yeah, you mentioned just 379 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,880 Speaker 1: the level of unhappiness the Associated Press how to pull 380 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 1: out that came out today that said, uh four and 381 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: ten predict that their kids will be better off in 382 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 1: them that's the lowest since the tracking started in Only 383 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: four in ten Americans predict that their children will be 384 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: better off in them, according to the Associated Press, that's 385 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: the lowest since the tracking started in nineteen and fifty 386 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:50,360 Speaker 1: percent of Americans have reported feeling lonely or isolated. I mean, 387 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: the headline of this Associated Press article really just did 388 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: a number on me. It's Americans are the unhappiest that 389 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: they've been in fifty years. Wow. Only four percent of 390 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: American adults say they're very happy, down from who said 391 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: the same in two thousand and eighteen. I want to 392 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: know who the fourteen percent are? You know, I would 393 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: let's have a socially just a party with fourteen I've 394 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: been surprised, whether it was in the Onion or in 395 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: real life, that there wasn't a story that said high 396 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: school graduate happy to skip the graduation and then the 397 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: quote I never liked any of these losers, right. Um, 398 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 1: but look, I think we all feel that way to 399 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: some extent because we can't go out and do the 400 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 1: things that we like to do, whether that's going to 401 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: a baseball game or a restaurant or church. Um, we're 402 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: going to work like we normally would. And so if 403 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: we can't figure out how and why we're starting to 404 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: see some of this how and why we're going to 405 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: reopen and get life hopefully back to normal, then then 406 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: we never get there. But it's not just you know, 407 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: we now know that it looks like Phase two in Washington, 408 00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: d C will be open where on Monday, where we 409 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: can eat inside restaurants that are limited capacity. Tip last night, 410 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: and let me tell you something. It was I couldn't 411 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: walk across the place without a mask. And you're like, 412 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna wear a mask, Like I get it, 413 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: But I mean it's it's and that's not you know, 414 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,159 Speaker 1: I respect that they did that, and I appreciate the 415 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: safety and whatnot, but it is I mean, you gotta 416 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: eat without a mask on, right. But but those are 417 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: also just the baby steps. You know, what do we 418 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,080 Speaker 1: what do we do and what are the answers for 419 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: reopening childcare centers? So those folks who need to need 420 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: to put their kids in care cannot just do what 421 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: they need to do for their kids, but also then 422 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: go to work because if their kids aren't in childcare, 423 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: they're not going back to work. If we don't have 424 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: childcare we don't have a recovery. What are we going 425 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: to do about schools reopening? I saw a stat today 426 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 1: that said that of school districts are not prepared to 427 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: say that they're ready to reopen yet, and that again, 428 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: you know, it becomes this problem. And it's great that 429 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: we can go outside to a restaurant now and hopefully 430 00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: go inside, but if we have not come up with 431 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 1: larger systemic well that's what I let me let me 432 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: because you know, for for what, I almost feel that 433 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: this is a missed opportunity for both the Biden campaign 434 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,320 Speaker 1: and the Trump campaign. They could be having, you know, 435 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 1: enough of the Infrastructure Week, which is a pipe drain 436 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: before an election day, but why not have you know, 437 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: education Week, here's the national conversation on how to reopen 438 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: the schools. Why not have here's the you know, here's 439 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,080 Speaker 1: here's the Small business Week, where we're going to try 440 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: to you know, have um, you know, different policy ideas 441 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: over over what restaurants and small businesses to do to 442 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: to help transition them online or whatnot. I think that 443 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: the both campaigns are missing massive opportunities, and it's it's 444 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: the communication strategies are just out of touch with the 445 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: with the problems that people are actually having to face 446 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: in real life day to day right now, not six 447 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: months from now. Enough of the polls of where the 448 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: polls are gonna be, what are you gonna do right now? 449 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: Do you am I wrong? Or or or what do 450 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: you think? I mean, you're the you're the guru. Well, 451 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: you know, both campaigns are looking at this and trying 452 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: to talk about it. But I think they're also mindful 453 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: of the fact that if you put out a really 454 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,919 Speaker 1: smart small business proposal right now, and I was pre 455 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: sectory to s B a way way back in the day, remember, um, 456 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,919 Speaker 1: you can do that. But when when the news is 457 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: everything that's happening in the streets right now, everything that's 458 00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: happening with police reform, why police reform is, is that 459 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 1: a head really come to a head over the past 460 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: couple of weeks and everything that we've seen in the 461 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: past three weeks where we're now at a hundred and 462 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: seventeen Americans who have died, it's tough for that smart 463 00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: conversation on small business to break through, or on childcare 464 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: or on education, those things are really really hard look 465 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: look at like a let's say we're talking to a 466 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: very smart business audience like Bloomberg where things thank you, 467 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: our audience is very smart. Thank you, thank you. So 468 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: something that fundamentally they paid more attention to than the 469 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: general public, like how we've so fast changed how people 470 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,479 Speaker 1: pay for things, because if you're not spending cash right 471 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: now and electronic payments that have changed in the past 472 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,640 Speaker 1: three months more than they really have the past two 473 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: or three years, you're not even able to have those 474 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: kind of more broad conversations because we're so focused on 475 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: everything that we've seen in the past ten twelve days 476 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: when it comes to George Floyd, and then obviously the 477 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,959 Speaker 1: last three plus months now with code. You know, I 478 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: think and white people are unhappy. I think that both 479 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 1: Biden and Trump have have in their in their careers, 480 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: have exhibited that they can make They can ignite life 481 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: into a policy discussion. With Trump, whether you agree or disagree, 482 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: it was build the wall, he ignited the immigration debate. 483 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: With Biden, there have been a series over the past 484 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 1: couple of years where he's where he's ignited, um uh, 485 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: some debate over policy. I remember I'll meet the Press 486 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: when he went I'll meet the press with regards to 487 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: gay marriage. So there's a way to do it. And 488 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,879 Speaker 1: so I think if every family in America is worried 489 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: out whether or not their school is going to reopen, 490 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 1: but their comms teams should get out there and say, 491 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: how do we how do we spice this up, how 492 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: do we how do we get this and inject this 493 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: into UH instead of just the Twitter back and forth. 494 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,760 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe I'm being a little too holier 495 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: than now, but I just feel like they're missing they're 496 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: missing the moment with these zoom fundraisers and whatnot. Well, 497 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: I look, I think they should be talking about this 498 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:27,199 Speaker 1: a lot more than they are, UM and looking for 499 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: smart ways to do it. You're never going to get 500 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,440 Speaker 1: rid of fundraisers and and now zoom is the way 501 00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: that we do everything UM. But they voters react to 502 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: politicians to talk about issues that they care about, UM 503 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: and and so certainly they're gonna be talking talking about 504 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: police reform right now. However they do that, they're going 505 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: to be talking about solutions to COVID. But if you're 506 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,159 Speaker 1: talking about reopening, which everybody wants to do, you need 507 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: to talk about how you're gonna do it and do 508 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: that smartly. And I think, well, that's where we'll see 509 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: the campaign take two very different approaches. All right, make 510 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 1: sure you go to CNN dot com and check out 511 00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:03,880 Speaker 1: Doug Highs opinion on Governor Larry Hogan. It is a fascinating, 512 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: fascinating read. Let's get the Gov on the show. That's 513 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: Doug High. Doug is the senior vice president of Media 514 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: at Craft Media Digital. He has former Deputy Chief of 515 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: Staff and former House Majority Leader Eric Cancer coming up. 516 00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:20,920 Speaker 1: We talked geo politics and speaking of those Zoom fundraisers, 517 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: how much money do you think Elizabeth Warren's Zoom fundraiser 518 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,680 Speaker 1: netted Joe Biden? I'll tell you next you're listening to Bloomberg. 519 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg's Sound on with Kevin Surley on Bloomberg 520 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven F M H D two. 521 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 1: How much money do you think that zoom fundraiser with 522 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:49,959 Speaker 1: former Vice President Joe Biden and Senator Elizabeth Warren netted 523 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,440 Speaker 1: the Biden campaign? How much money? Let's let's ask. Let's 524 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 1: ask Jeffrey Wright. Jeffrey Wright, your Asia group vandalists. I 525 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: know you're on China and we're gonna talk about China, 526 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: but let me ask how much bucks do you think 527 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: Warren got Biden on a zoom fundraiser? Jeffrey right, I 528 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: would guess the what six or eight million? Wow? You're 529 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 1: actually you're absolutely right? Did you did you google it? No? 530 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: I didn't. I I promise what do I win? It was? Well? 531 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 1: You you get to be on Bloomberg sound all with 532 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: Kevin's really I'm the chief radio. Uh six million dollars? 533 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,760 Speaker 1: Six million dollars is how much Warren got by on 534 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,880 Speaker 1: a zoom fundraiser. I mean, I don't know the appeal 535 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 1: of these zooms. I mean maybe I'm old fashioned and 536 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 1: old soul. I just I don't It doesn't register with me. 537 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: All right. What's going on with China? The big story 538 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,320 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg dot com and on the Bloomberg terminal, uh 539 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: is Trump signs built rebuking China over Muslims. Amid Bolton 540 00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 1: book claims President Donald Trump signed to measure punishing Chinese 541 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,800 Speaker 1: officials for imprisoning more than one million Muslims on the 542 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: same day that a new book alleged Trump encouraged Beijing 543 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: to build internment camps to house them. Legislation signed by 544 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: Trump on Wednesday, after winning broad bypartisan support in Congress 545 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: requires Trump to sanction any officials found responsible for oppression 546 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,159 Speaker 1: of the leaguers and members of other Muslim minority groups 547 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:19,119 Speaker 1: and revoke their visas. Wow, that's a lot. Yeah, it's uh. 548 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,520 Speaker 1: I think there's less there the mead C. I honestly, 549 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: the this is a similar measure to the Hong Kong 550 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: Human Rights Democracy Act, which Congress past last year. Basically 551 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 1: the same mechanism. The President has to create a list 552 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 1: and then whoever is on that list will be sanctioned. 553 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: But the issue is that they have to create those lists. 554 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: So the Trump wointe house has been relatively unenthusiastic about 555 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: sanctioning people in general, and I think particularly with respect 556 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: to China. Now maybe that changes as the relationships stours, 557 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: but there's a lot, sort of a lot left to 558 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: be done here. Okay. So so when you when you 559 00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: take a broader step back, and this is why we're 560 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: so grateful to have Jeffrey right on of the Eurasia Group, 561 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: because he focuses on China specifically, when you take a 562 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 1: broader step back at the U S China relations, have 563 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: they significantly changed in today then they have prior to 564 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: the pandemic. Yeah, that things have have deteriorated across a 565 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,880 Speaker 1: number of different issues between the US and China. But 566 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of difference, they think, between the rhetoric, 567 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: which has gotten a lot worse, and the actual um 568 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: nuts and bolts of the relationship, which, at least on 569 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: trade is still functioning relatively well, even though US and 570 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: China are busy blaming each other in public for them. 571 00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 1: Let me interrupt then, because what has changed then? Because 572 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: if trade is still going along as followed and as 573 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: has been um as has been negotiated, what specific policy 574 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,280 Speaker 1: items have changed. If you're saying and others agree with 575 00:29:53,320 --> 00:30:00,640 Speaker 1: you that the legislation, the bipartisan legislation didn't go far enough, well, Uh, 576 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: there has been. The White House announced some steps on 577 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: Hong Kong on the twenty ninth of May, although we 578 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 1: still haven't seen the executive order that would codify those things. Uh, 579 00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: so there's a little bit of question about that. Uh. 580 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: The administration has also taken pre aggressive new steps on Huawei, 581 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: although that rule is still in a common period and 582 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: and won't be finalized until September. So, you know, there 583 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: are a lot of issue areas here where there are 584 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 1: there are things sort of on the back burner that 585 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 1: that could be very aggressive steps. It's just that we 586 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: don't really have a full picture of the implementation of 587 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: those steps quite yet. So there's still a lot of 588 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 1: room for interpretation in terms of how serious the Trump 589 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: folks really are about China. So beyond that, when you 590 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: look at how China, there's been so many reports. When 591 00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,280 Speaker 1: you look at China and how they've been able to 592 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,480 Speaker 1: rally behind the Chinese flag from a nationalistic standpoint, it 593 00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: appears that Shi jing Ping has really been playing up 594 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: sort of this sense of nationalism in China as questions 595 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 1: not just coming from the United States, but also from 596 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: Europe as well as other countries around the world. Australia 597 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: have been really pressing them for more transparency in their 598 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: response to COVID Nineteam, what can you tell us about that? Uh, Yeah, 599 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's clearly Uh, it's always a part 600 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: of the Chinese policy response to almost any provocation. UM. 601 00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: They also have I think been invested a lot in 602 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: the theme that they even though they had coronavirus first 603 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 1: and it it started there, they also recovered the most 604 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: quickly UM and that their economy is sort of coming 605 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: back as the rest of the world is still slowed down. 606 00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: I mean, there there are some complications to that narrative. 607 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: We've seen outbreaks in Beijing this week, for example, So 608 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: that's not that's not as clean a story as they're 609 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: trying to sell. But that's going to be the Chinese line. 610 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: It's like, we we are, we know how to beat coronavirus, 611 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:56,719 Speaker 1: and that's why we should have a position of increased 612 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: leadership in the world. Is that a viable uh comment 613 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: for them to make that they that they've done this, 614 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 1: because I mean, they didn't beat it. Beijing had to 615 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: lock down again, you know what I mean. I mean, 616 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,000 Speaker 1: how do they continue to make that case when when 617 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: it's not true? Uh? Well, I mean they're they're arguing 618 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: by comparison, right, so they're they're pointing to the US, 619 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:26,560 Speaker 1: which has US thousand deaths. Well yeah, um, I think 620 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,239 Speaker 1: it's a relatively easy argument for them to make, at 621 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: least in some quarters. Obviously, all this depends on who's 622 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: the who's the listener, of course, but when the US 623 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: is in the situation it is they think it's very 624 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: difficult for Pompeo and Trump and other officials to really 625 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: play the sort of competition game with China and coronavirus, 626 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: because the situation in the US is still you know, 627 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: so uh, you know, better than it was a few 628 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: months ago, but but not good by any stretch. Okay, 629 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: So beyond that, I don't want to ask you about 630 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,640 Speaker 1: race through the lens of who's up, Who's down. I 631 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:00,240 Speaker 1: want to ask you about the lens of this. It's 632 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 1: funny race through policy. Biden campaign China policy versus Trump 633 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: campaign China policy. What's the difference? I think the biggest 634 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: difference is multilateralism. Um. This was a theme of of 635 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: the Obama administration's approach to China, to think about the 636 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,280 Speaker 1: issues that they were able to work with the Chinese on, 637 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: particularly the U n SO, the are on sanctions, North Korea, 638 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: the Paris climate negotiations. All of those issues were places 639 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: where the U. S And China, even though they have 640 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 1: significant disagreements on trade and other areas geopolitics, they're able 641 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: to collaborate in places where they have common interests. That 642 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: part of the relationships has really been stripped away in 643 00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: the Trump administration that the the focus is almost exclusively 644 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: on trade, and the lens is almost always conflictual Uh. 645 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:52,880 Speaker 1: Now you can argue there are good reasons for that 646 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: and that that's a necessary shift in US policy. But 647 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,320 Speaker 1: I think one thing the Biden folks are really gonna 648 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: want to do if they win, is these explore a 649 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: sort of limited reset to the relationship that might allow 650 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: the US to pursue multilateral goals with China even while 651 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: it it fights with China. Uh, figuratively speaking, one hopes 652 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 1: on trade and other issues. What else is on your radar? 653 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,759 Speaker 1: We've got a minute less What else is on your radar? Uh? 654 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be about China? What can you 655 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: talk about China and India? Any developments there's now they've 656 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 1: gotten They've gotten to some type of an agreement. We've learned. Yeah, 657 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 1: things seem to be de escalating. It's a it's a 658 00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 1: it's a fairly murky situation. Like the news about what 659 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: actually happened was was quite slow to come out. Um. 660 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: But that's going to be a very interesting area for Trump. 661 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: I think these are two of his uh, you know, 662 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 1: the relationship with she is complicated, but his relationship UM 663 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:50,760 Speaker 1: with Moody has been much more, um, you know, much easier, 664 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: and Moody has really been an ally that he's been 665 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: trying to cultivate. So I think a difficult moment for 666 00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,160 Speaker 1: him to sort of pick pick between two favorite favorite friends. There. Right, 667 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna leave it there. Any update on the seventy 668 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: six ers. Jeffrey right, your ASI group panelist? Uh coming 669 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: back soon? And look at fortune? I hope. I don't 670 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: know how I feel about that. I hope. Yeah, that 671 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 1: was pinky right, the Pinkies was bad? Yeah. Well, and 672 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 1: when he's not playing, he tends to, uh like sit 673 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: around and play video games. So I hope. Wow, Well 674 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,000 Speaker 1: don't we all when we're not working? What do we do? 675 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,239 Speaker 1: Jeffreys group? There was Wow? Way did knock Joel em 676 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,880 Speaker 1: being on the Bloomberg sound on Radio pros? Well, you 677 00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: didn't act like a jolly I mean, Jeffrey didn't. You 678 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,520 Speaker 1: didn't act like it? All right, I appreciate the time. 679 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 1: I appreciate the time. That's Jeffrey Draki is the Eurasia 680 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: of course, any time he's the Eurasia group. And listen 681 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 1: coming on tomorrow, Senator Chris Coon's and Marsha Blackburn. You 682 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,879 Speaker 1: do not want to miss that. I'm Kevin SURREI Chief 683 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. Bring 684 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: a rain coat, get your umbrella out, it's raining. Thanks 685 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: for listening to Bloomberg One