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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, family and colleagues of Danny Castilau Cassillia of

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Speaker 2: long suspected that he was murdered for investigating a conspiracy

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Speaker 2: he called the Octopus, a hidden organization whose arms reached

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Speaker 2: into stolen spy software, unsolved murders, money laundering, drug trafficking,

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Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan's White House, the Iran Contra affair. And this

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Speaker 2: is the subject of a new Netflix series called The

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Speaker 2: Octopus Murders. It's a four part series, and two of

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Speaker 2: the principles behind the documentary series, Christian Hansen and Zachary Tritz,

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Speaker 2: are with us. Let's go back to or let's go

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Speaker 2: to the phones, and we'll begin with Ron, East of

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Speaker 2: the Rockies in Michigan. Ron, good morning, Welcome to coast.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Richard, and gentlemen. I remember reading about mister Castelaro

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Speaker 3: in a publication called Covert Action Quarterly in the early eighties,

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Speaker 3: and he talked about his investigation, like Richard just said,

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Speaker 3: about all those things, and have you ever seen the

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Speaker 3: publication or heard of it? I think he went out

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Speaker 3: of business Covert Action, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but anyway,

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Speaker 3: you know, you leave out one name, George Bush, who

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Speaker 3: was president vice president at that time. But I say

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Speaker 3: he was president at that time because Ronald Reagan was

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Speaker 3: slipping into dementia and George Bush was CIA chieftain and

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Speaker 3: that was the cocaine for guns Miami. His son Jeb

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Speaker 3: Bush was in charge of the coordination of arms to Nicaragua.

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Speaker 3: And the contrast and this whole thing, you know, you know,

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Speaker 3: you go back to the JFK assassination and you have

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Speaker 3: the triumph again military intelligence, I A and uh, what's

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Speaker 3: the other one I'm leaving out. I forget the other

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Speaker 3: one now. But you know this is all part of

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Speaker 3: the kudeta that took place when JFK was assassinated with

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Speaker 3: his brother King and to this day they are in control,

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Speaker 3: planning simple the mafia CI A and and I tell

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Speaker 3: you what, It goes back to the old families. I'm

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Speaker 3: reading a book Ashes Smoking Ashes about the opium trade,

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Speaker 3: and people like the early Protestant people came around the Mayflower.

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Speaker 3: They're the ones that started the opium trade. Okay, back

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Speaker 3: in the seventeen the eighteenth century in the United States,

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Speaker 3: which is part of the British Empire. You know, it's

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Speaker 3: all it's all tied to this whole thing that controls

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Speaker 3: the government drugs, and but thank you.

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Speaker 4: To Yeah, George H. W.

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Speaker 5: Bush factors heavily and being a story eventually, and.

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Speaker 6: You can see that.

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Speaker 5: I hope you'll watch the show and you'll see how

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Speaker 5: that works. He was one of Danny's sort of eight

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Speaker 5: members of the octopus that he that he centered on.

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Speaker 5: And it's an important note to yeah, that George H. W.

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Speaker 5: Bush was president at the time that Danny was writing

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Speaker 5: the book.

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Speaker 6: He was vice.

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Speaker 5: President under Reagan obviously, and before that he had been

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Speaker 5: CIA director. And I think that what you say about

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Speaker 5: the connection of drugs and intelligence and organized crime, I

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Speaker 5: mean that that was a key part of Danny's story.

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Speaker 5: And so yeah, thanks for bringing that up.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's say Hi next to Christine is in Tahunga, California. Christine, Welcome,

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Speaker 2: good morning.

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Speaker 3: I have a question for you too. Did manor Arkansas

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Speaker 3: ever come up in your investigation?

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Speaker 4: Hi, Christine, this is Christian. Yeah, Nita Arkansas, obviously it

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Speaker 4: came up. And Mina even is comes up in Danny's notes.

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Speaker 4: He was writing about Mina and Vestigetti Mina and yeah, Mina, Arkansas,

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Speaker 4: for the listeners was a transhiitment or basically a CIA

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Speaker 4: proprietary airport in the mountains of Arkansas where there was

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Speaker 4: a lot of like contra drugs and guns coming back

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Speaker 2: All right, Christine, thank you for that. I think Danny

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Speaker 2: at one point in his notes or he confided to

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Speaker 2: friends and colleagues that if the true story of the

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Speaker 2: Octopus organization ever came to light, it would rewrite American history.

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Speaker 2: What do you what do you make of that statement?

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Speaker 2: And do you now believe that it's true.

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Speaker 4: That's a really interesting question. I do think that there

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Speaker 4: is a retelling of American history that could and should happen.

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Speaker 4: You know, so much has been so much of the

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Speaker 4: of the story has happened covertly. And yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I think it depends on what your

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Speaker 5: But I think at the time that Danny was writing

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Speaker 5: think what was special about Danny's book was that he

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Speaker 5: was tying all these seemingly disparate scandals, political scandals, and

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Speaker 5: a lot of Danny's writing we have, or some of it,

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Speaker 5: human race when you're selling a book. But I actually

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Speaker 5: don't think that Danny's being too hyperbolic.

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Speaker 4: There when you really and maybe this is.

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Speaker 5: Something that's changed for me over the years. I think

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Speaker 5: would have said Danny's being a little overblown. But when

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Speaker 5: you really look into it, at least from my base

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Speaker 5: of knowledge, when you see how important covert action and

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Speaker 5: these covert operations and their potential relationship to organized crime,

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Speaker 5: how much impact that's had on the latter half of

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Speaker 5: the twentieth century, it's a little shocking and it changes

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Speaker 5: your conception of what our combined history is.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go back to the phones. Thank you

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Speaker 2: Christine for the call. Bob is an Arizona Bob Good morning,

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Coaster. You're on the line with Christian Hansen

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Speaker 2: and Zacharytriitz. Go ahead, good.

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Speaker 6: Evening, gentlemen. Have you ever explored the connection to Ederson County,

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Speaker 6: Texas and Clint Murkison Junior? In this case, I used

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Speaker 6: to live there many years ago. I first heard about

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Speaker 6: this story here on Coast the Coast one Christmas long ago.

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Speaker 6: And the thing that I realized then was the activity

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Speaker 6: that was going on in current California was also happening

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Speaker 6: in Henderson County, Texas, involving math, amphetamine production and sheriff's department, etc.

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Speaker 6: So I was just curious if you had looked into

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Speaker 6: that aspect of this story.

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Speaker 4: Bob, I would love to talk to you. I would

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Speaker 4: love to talk to you further about this, but you

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Speaker 4: don't have that much time. I encourage you to reach

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Speaker 4: out to me on Instagram or Twitter Yo undersquare Christian

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Speaker 4: on Twitter. And also what you called, Bob called on

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Speaker 4: Coast to Coast at you know, at three am, I

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Speaker 4: was I was wondering if it was going to be

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Speaker 4: Robert Booth Nichols, because who has an Arizona connection. But yes,

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Speaker 4: we've looked into Clint Murchison Junior a little bit because

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Speaker 4: he was on the board of directors of Fidco, which

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Speaker 4: was a company that Robert Booth Nichols was on the

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Speaker 4: board of directors that was involved in De Route. We

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Speaker 4: couldn't fit that part into the film, but we would

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Speaker 4: love to know more. We you know, our knowledge base

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Speaker 4: kind of doesn't seem like it's as developed as yours,

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Speaker 4: and we'd love to We'd always love to know more, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Bob, thank you for that. Let's see on the

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Speaker 2: wild Card line. Ted is in the San Francisco Ted,

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Speaker 2: good morning, Welcome to coast.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm from San Francisco. I'm actually driving the Rock

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Speaker 7: and I want to thank you for taking my call.

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Speaker 7: Richard and Christian Zachary, congratulations. You're very courageous for being

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Speaker 7: able to beees together this heavily interlocked story without getting bamboozled,

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Speaker 7: you know, trying to lay out the dark alliance between

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Speaker 7: the gangster planet that married when the mob got.

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Speaker 8: Involved with the CIA. I want to say a quick

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Speaker 8: healoa to Sherry and my friends and apologize for any

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Speaker 8: miscommunication in the past. And I also wanted to lay

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Speaker 8: out the fact that that term octopus has been going

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Speaker 8: on for a long time, dating back all the way

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Speaker 8: to United Fruit, the banana company whose board numbers we

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Speaker 8: did the d oldest brothers, which would be John Foster,

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Speaker 8: the Secretary of State and his brother Alan, who Kennedy

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Speaker 8: lot of problems, and it's all related. It's very hard

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Speaker 8: to follow upon that first caller. He was very knowledgeable

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Speaker 8: and and about RBN. I met the ambassador, the Swiss

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Speaker 8: ambassador of the United States, and gave him a ride

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Speaker 8: sent him a text and I thought I'd never hear back.

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Speaker 8: Three weeks later I heard from his right hand man,

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Speaker 8: finding out whether RBN.

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Speaker 2: Well, who is RBN? You keep mentioning RBN tech, You

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Speaker 2: don't know they know who it is. Yeah, but our listeners, okay,

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Speaker 2: and you're speaking to our listeners. They don't know who

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Speaker 2: is RBN.

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Speaker 4: General Robert bru thinkles here is in episode three of

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Speaker 4: the octopusers are serious. He was a source of Danny

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Speaker 4: Castillo and a endlessly fascinating character who may or may

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Speaker 4: not still be alive.

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Speaker 2: All right, Ted, thank you for the call.

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Speaker 4: Let's say to be any way you can.

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 2: Yes through Instagram. Clyde is in New Mexico. Clyde, Welcome

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Speaker 9: I was I was wondering, Oh you partially answered this,

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Speaker 9: but about connections between these murders and the octopus and

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Speaker 9: all the mysterious deaths surrounding Bill Clinton, which you know

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Speaker 4: Well, the only I had I hadn't Danny Castillar. There's

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Speaker 4: the listic that's on the Internet of the Clinton death list,

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Speaker 4: one of the versions I've seen Danny Cassel is on.

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Speaker 4: But what as far as Mina, I think one of

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Speaker 4: evident that they, as far as I understand, stumbled upon

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Speaker 4: And they were just like two kids at the wrong

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Speaker 4: always like stuck with me. But as far as the

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Speaker 4: other things, you know, I just only have so much

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Speaker 2: All right, client, thank you for that. I think we

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Speaker 2: can squeeze in one more. James is first time caller

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Speaker 2: from Minneapolis. James, Welcome to Coast Well.

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Speaker 9: Hello, gentlemen.

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Speaker 8: I just have a question for UH Christian and.

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Speaker 10: Zachary Zachary Uh as far as UH targeted Justice the

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Speaker 10: website Targetedjustice dot com. I'm wondering if you're familiar with

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Speaker 10: that website and how UH usion Centers and that type

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Speaker 10: of activity might be related to the.

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Speaker 4: I don't know the website, but I will look into

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Speaker 4: it Targetedjustice dot Com. I'm writing it downe now.

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Speaker 2: All right, James, thank you for that. All right. So

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Speaker 2: in the meantime, we have The Octopus Murders four parts

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Speaker 2: on Netflix, and I tell you it's it's such a

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Speaker 2: I think you provide some very compelling evidence in the

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Speaker 2: documentary that it wasn't suicide. And you're both to be congratulated.

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Speaker 2: What's what's next? Very quickly, what's next for both of you? Zachary,

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Speaker 2: do you want to go for.

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Speaker 5: Well, Richard, that's I just want to say, that's really

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Speaker 6: And thank you for saying that.

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Speaker 5: Christian and I are we're figuring that out. You know,

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Speaker 5: this moment. But there's a lot more to this story,

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Speaker 5: that need to be told, you.

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Speaker 6: Know, within this ecosystem.

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Speaker 5: So we would like to keep keep telling them until

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Speaker 2: All right, and Christian final word to you very quickly,

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Speaker 4: Would just say, if they tell us not too, they're

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Speaker 4: not worried. Richard was saying, stop, all right.

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Speaker 2: Well again, congratulations both the Optopala Murders four part documentary

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Speaker 2: series on Netflix.

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