Speaker 1: Welcome to Pod Meets Twirl, a podcast that began with
Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars, wandered through pastles, survived beaches, and
Speaker 1: spent an entire season debating the social hierarchy of cocktail parties,
Speaker 1: and along the way, Will and I riffed on what
Speaker 1: I thought was an entirely hypothetical observation, maybe arranged marriage
Speaker 1: isn't the worst idea. Well, apparently our producers are listening.
Speaker 1: So now we're watching Married at First Sight season twenty,
Speaker 1: a show where complete strangers meet at the altar, say
Speaker 1: I do, and only then begin the awkward process of
Speaker 1: discovering whether they have anything whatsoever in common. We are Wilfordell,
Speaker 1: who loves love and believes marriage should be about the marriage,
Speaker 1: not the wedding, and Right or Strong, who loves love
Speaker 1: and made one observation about arranged marriage and is now
Speaker 1: being forced to defend it for an entire television season.
Speaker 1: Join us as experts, therapists, family members, and complete strangers
Speaker 1: all attempt the oldest social experiment in human history with confessionals.
Speaker 1: This is Pod Mats Twirled, All or Nothing.
Speaker 2: So many penguins, so many penguins. I feeling great. I
Speaker 2: love this show idea I love.
Speaker 1: I find it educational, I find it interesting. I like people,
Speaker 1: even the people I don't like, I kind of like.
Speaker 2: Yep. So, oh, we're going to talk about that this week.
Speaker 2: I know, man, we're going to talk about that this week.
Speaker 2: I got a new favorite couple.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you love Marissa Adam.
Speaker 2: Marissa Adam is so great? Your team vocal Fry? That
Speaker 2: will Bro Bro are you team vocal Fried?
Speaker 1: He's the best today he is now officially the best because.
Speaker 2: He found his partner.
Speaker 1: I did. Oh, So that's the That's how you do
Speaker 1: arrange merriage. You just just you just don't be that bright,
Speaker 1: don't have many expectations of life, don't read.
Speaker 2: Like jet Ski, and then you want to find somebody
Speaker 2: who's like, hey, how hot are we? How hot are we?
Speaker 2: They're awesome together. I love him so much.
Speaker 3: Even the man, doctor Jonathan jet Ski, who created the
Speaker 3: jet ski, does not love jet skiing as much as
Speaker 3: Adam loves jet Ski. It is phenomenal to watch this
Speaker 3: man's obsession with something as as ridiculous as.
Speaker 1: Give him a good stake, a hot wife and the
Speaker 1: jet skis in his element socks and go down the waters.
Speaker 2: Yes, It's like, is original.
Speaker 3: His first baby bottle was in a beer cooozy, Like,
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: It's awesome. This guy's the best. All Right, Adam's are
Speaker 2: new favorite?
Speaker 4: All Right?
Speaker 1: Episode four because with Cameron and Michelle, she's saying, I
Speaker 1: wasn't scared all night sleeping with my husband to be
Speaker 1: I felt like that was just the tiniest accomplishment, Like
Speaker 1: I wasn't scared.
Speaker 2: I didn't call my sleeping there with a knife like
Speaker 2: this just right away? Who is what's going on? It's
Speaker 2: like the Misery House, like you do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Rissa and Adam, uh, they they're discussing that they are.
Speaker 2: She says, you're a good cuddle and he's been training
Speaker 2: for this. He's training for this, he's training.
Speaker 1: I love that She takes a piss out of and says,
Speaker 1: so you've been training with your guy friends.
Speaker 2: And he's like, yeah, oh guys, they're perfect together. They're
Speaker 2: perfect together. I know. He asked her what the ideal
Speaker 2: day is. She says napping.
Speaker 1: Uh, okay, these two are gonna're gonna go the distance.
Speaker 3: He doesn't want to nap so because he's he's always
Speaker 3: gotta be going. So when she's napping, for a couple hours.
Speaker 3: He'll be ripping the jet ski.
Speaker 2: Ripping the jet skinn work. It's gonna work, Sean and Nikki.
Speaker 1: In the morning, he brings her coffee, compliments her, and
Speaker 1: he says the thing that I think we are all feeling,
Speaker 1: especially her, that he needs to back up, and.
Speaker 2: They start laughing. But she's not attracted doing physically. Damn this,
Speaker 2: watching the two of them together, watching this relationship.
Speaker 1: Is so hurt because I really like both of them.
Speaker 2: I do too. I do too.
Speaker 3: They're not right together though it sucks many just he's
Speaker 3: a little a little too.
Speaker 2: Psychobabbel relationship buzzword for me.
Speaker 1: Well, she says it later that you're interviewing me, and
Speaker 1: he is.
Speaker 2: He is, it's like you all need to relax a little.
Speaker 1: But I like him, still thinking maybe maybe there's some
Speaker 1: possible because around because they turn around these shows.
Speaker 2: You know that's the story, right you and I.
Speaker 1: But you know, if I think about the fact that
Speaker 1: there's an eighteen percent success rate on the show, and.
Speaker 2: That's percent from last season, then no, I don't think
Speaker 2: there's started. No. I don't either. I just don't know
Speaker 2: if you can get She seems to have the ick, Yeah,
Speaker 2: she doesn't.
Speaker 1: And that's not something you can get over.
Speaker 2: Nope, you can get over being bored.
Speaker 1: You can get over being like like not knowing somebody
Speaker 1: and wanting to know more or needing to know more.
Speaker 1: But in this case, she seems genuinely.
Speaker 2: Repulsed by him. I agree with you, Hunter.
Speaker 1: And that's like, I just don't know, you know, if
Speaker 1: you don't like this, like the sound of somebody chewing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's never going away. No, that's never going away. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I agree, And I kind of switched because at first
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't think she's gonna give him
Speaker 3: a chance. I don't think and he's gonna try, and
Speaker 3: I'm gonna love him so much. And halfway through I
Speaker 3: got a little bit of the eck with him where
Speaker 3: I was like, Okay, man, it's a little much.
Speaker 1: At this point, I was like, I'm still but yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll get into it later.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's like he just he just can't back off the
Speaker 1: sex thing.
Speaker 4: Know that.
Speaker 2: And there.
Speaker 3: But it's also again like the there does come off
Speaker 3: like a constant psychobabble, like I hear you and I'm
Speaker 3: present in our and I want to make sure your foundation.
Speaker 2: It's like dude, just be just be normal, just be normal.
Speaker 1: Like.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's it's been, it's rough, but it's still
Speaker 2: loving my Felipa and Tory. I'm so into this show
Speaker 2: by the way.
Speaker 1: All right, got to Courtney and Nick in the morning.
Speaker 1: He takes his clothes off in the night, which didn't
Speaker 1: seem like to bother her. But uh, she's not quote
Speaker 1: souper lovely, touchy feely.
Speaker 2: How are you.
Speaker 3: I'm curious in your life. Do you like a lovey,
Speaker 3: touchy feely kind of partner?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, me to not in bed at night? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: no interestingly at night?
Speaker 2: Don't touch me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I don't want to be hot. I don't
Speaker 1: want to be like you know some people like wrapt
Speaker 1: around each other. No, I want you to be in
Speaker 1: the same bed, but as far away from me.
Speaker 2: I agree. I agree with you A yeah, what I
Speaker 2: mean like sitting around like a hug, a kiss on
Speaker 2: the neck, a slap on the ass when you're walking
Speaker 2: by in the kitchen, you know, I like. I like
Speaker 2: the physical affection I think is important too. Yeah. Maddy
Speaker 2: just wrote AHD thank you, yes yeh and OTP and
Speaker 2: occasional o tph Yeah, that's what makes an uber ride
Speaker 2: an uber ride. Everybody knows that.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I can see how that's hard when one
Speaker 3: person wants to be touched and caressed and the.
Speaker 2: Other person's like, I'm not into that. That would be
Speaker 2: that would be a difficult combination. I can see that. Well.
Speaker 1: Felipe A and Torre seemed to be equally cuddly. Same
Speaker 1: thing as I said last episode, the way that they're
Speaker 1: lying back together.
Speaker 2: Yes, I thought about that after you said it and
Speaker 2: you see it.
Speaker 1: They're just so comfortable. It's like and they both do
Speaker 1: it without like they're just and yep, I don't know
Speaker 1: this is Yeah, so they're already like curled up together.
Speaker 2: They're still still about the cameras. Still, my money's on
Speaker 2: those two pretty cool Belgium Lee and Mecca.
Speaker 1: They talk about how he feels like he's kicking it
Speaker 1: with his best friend. She does too, She wants to
Speaker 1: wear matching outfits. Already, let's see where this goes.
Speaker 3: They look great together, I know, I mean, they do
Speaker 3: look like they were cast to be together.
Speaker 2: They're stunning together. Yeah. And then Devin and Caitlin.
Speaker 1: This has been quite a journey this couple because at
Speaker 1: this point in this episode, I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I would have put money this.
Speaker 2: This is the best couple. That's what I thought too.
Speaker 2: Remember you were like, this is my couple and right
Speaker 2: here and they're both very touchy.
Speaker 1: You know, they didn't expect to hook up last night,
Speaker 1: so meaning they probably did. And then watching them eat,
Speaker 1: they eat the same, Yeah, like they I don't know, Like,
Speaker 1: but then she comments on his chewing later and I
Speaker 1: was like what, yeah, oh, but watching them right now.
Speaker 3: They Yeah, something's going on with with her. I know,
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is, but something's going on
Speaker 3: with her. Do you think is do you think that's
Speaker 3: what it is?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 1: I think it's her dad, Like we saw her dad.
Speaker 1: I think it's just the way her dad treated her
Speaker 1: the way. I think something weird and like it's too bad,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, because they're they have chemistry. These two are.
Speaker 2: Kind of perfect for each other.
Speaker 1: And it's like, what does she want somebody who like
Speaker 1: shows her affection and then treats her like crap.
Speaker 2: Because that's what her dad probably did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the all about him that this was Caitlin
Speaker 3: more than anybody else on this show, to me, was
Speaker 3: a completely different person. After she got married than she
Speaker 3: was before she got married completely, and I would.
Speaker 1: Say within the course of the honeymoon, right within the gates.
Speaker 1: So at this point in the story, in this point
Speaker 1: of the episode, she I was like, dude, they're having
Speaker 1: the best time. We're gonna have such a fun vacation.
Speaker 1: And then it just got progressed.
Speaker 2: She seems like a completely different person than the person
Speaker 2: she was.
Speaker 1: All Right, we get a montage of everybody packing, and
Speaker 1: then we see Shawn and Nicky as the first couple
Speaker 1: to arrive at this U Mexican resort, which was giving
Speaker 1: me white Lotus vibes.
Speaker 2: Yeah a little bit.
Speaker 1: And Shawn and Nicky I noticed that they this is
Speaker 1: where they started like we're going on vacation.
Speaker 2: Like they kept going high. Everything's going, We're happy.
Speaker 1: Such a sorry guys, don't you're you're trying to a
Speaker 1: like exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, They're all like, we're.
Speaker 1: Gonna taking naps and having drinks, and Sean says, taking
Speaker 1: our clothes off, Sean, you just said I just said
Speaker 1: you were gonna go, and then it's like appropriately taking
Speaker 1: our clothes off.
Speaker 2: She's like, okay, and baby, he is he's that guy
Speaker 2: who's just like, yeah, come on, we're.
Speaker 1: Going to brunch and boobies. Nobody was talking about it.
Speaker 1: What he was talking about? You do it, dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then the oral sex, Yeah, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: You're making this awful for her, Like, truly, just knock
Speaker 2: it off.
Speaker 3: Let her take take the lead in that stuff. Just
Speaker 3: let her take the lead in that stuff. It's obviously
Speaker 3: what's going to have to happen. Is it all going
Speaker 3: to be at her pace.
Speaker 2: Just let her take the lead with that stuff. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: Courtney and Nick, he can't open a bottle, buff ass.
Speaker 2: Courtney could do it easily.
Speaker 3: She's like snap the thing and then like bit the
Speaker 3: glass bottle in half and like it was like holy shit,
Speaker 3: yeah great.
Speaker 1: Then he tries to make a drink with this shaker
Speaker 1: just he's like, look at this form and immediately screws
Speaker 1: it up.
Speaker 2: The thing by the way.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, we talked about how this guy has been
Speaker 3: on like five or six reality shows. Yeah, you know
Speaker 3: this is he has very little personality coming through for
Speaker 3: somebody who's been on five or six reality shows.
Speaker 2: Now, and so I'm kind of going, what has he
Speaker 2: been on those other reality shows?
Speaker 1: I wonder has he been like the sort of straight
Speaker 1: man while like crazier people have been around him.
Speaker 2: I don't know, I was surprised. Yeah did you.
Speaker 3: See that, he commented on post. So yeah, but it's
Speaker 3: one of those things where it was like, usually, if
Speaker 3: you want to be a reality show guy, you've got
Speaker 3: this big, bubbly kind of personality.
Speaker 2: And there's times.
Speaker 3: Where there and they maybe they again, it's a reality show,
Speaker 3: which means none of it's real, so maybe they just
Speaker 3: took a couple awkward moments where they weren't having a
Speaker 3: conversation then cut it in to make it look like
Speaker 3: they couldn't.
Speaker 2: Have a conversation. But he doesn't seem to be very engaging.
Speaker 2: She's definitely wanted a little more entertainment, yes, and she
Speaker 2: wants fun and she's like push me in the pool, yeah,
Speaker 2: throw a pie. I saw. It's still optimistic. I'm you know,
Speaker 2: because I am.
Speaker 1: I think he's just uncomfortable, Like I think he's little too,
Speaker 1: maybe you know, coming into this show in particular, he's
Speaker 1: thinks he has to be a sort of leading man energy,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Because he talks later
Speaker 1: about how the fact that he was like a he's
Speaker 1: a scientist, right, or he's somebody.
Speaker 2: Went tot Yeah, he was the one he went to mit.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he talks about how he had like more of
Speaker 1: an entertainer sort of Jim Carrey vibe among his friends,
Speaker 1: and that's not.
Speaker 2: What's coming through, right. So but I think maybe it's there,
Speaker 2: you know, he just hasn't.
Speaker 1: He's not comfortable for whatever reason, which maybe is because
Speaker 1: of the couple, not the cameras.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: But that's the thing is, you would think he would
Speaker 3: be the most comfortable. The reality show is second hat.
Speaker 3: It's like, I don't I don't even need to deal
Speaker 3: with the reality show. I just need to deal with
Speaker 3: this because I'm so used to reality show that it's
Speaker 3: just about the relationship, and.
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like that at all. And she's still
Speaker 2: arguably my favorite of all of them, Like I really
Speaker 2: like Courtney, and so it seems like she wants She's like,
Speaker 2: just let's have some fun, let's do something, and it
Speaker 2: doesn't seem to be there. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well, Felipe and Tori are eating outside, kissing deeply and.
Speaker 2: Love this interesting scene.
Speaker 1: He brings up religion, which it seemed like something that
Speaker 1: they would all talked about her should we talk about
Speaker 1: and it's interesting that hasn't come up on this entire
Speaker 1: season so far. And she says that she is Christian
Speaker 1: and that she prays and has a relationship with God.
Speaker 1: And he says he grew up Catholic and then kind
Speaker 1: of drops the bombshell, which I was not expecting. I
Speaker 1: wasn't this is an atheist. I didn't see this coming.
Speaker 1: This is so interesting because I would have just assumed,
Speaker 1: you know, he has this like sort of traditional Brazilian
Speaker 1: family and he was raised Catholic, that that's part of
Speaker 1: the community, and with the sense of like, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't gathering, I don't know, I just would have assumed.
Speaker 2: That he is the religious guy. So this is super.
Speaker 1: Interesting and it's fascinating that the wedding or the matchmakers
Speaker 1: didn't kind of account for this or plan for this.
Speaker 1: So she asked him how does he feel about kids
Speaker 1: being baptized and he says, this great life, that's just
Speaker 1: a baby going into water.
Speaker 2: Would say, just a baby going into water.
Speaker 1: But okay, you know, but he also seems like he's
Speaker 1: open to it for her, well, yeah, he's not going
Speaker 1: to be like, you know, and so I was impressed
Speaker 1: also with how the rest of this two next two
Speaker 1: episodes played out.
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like this this is going to be
Speaker 2: a stumbling block.
Speaker 3: But it also seems I think it bodes well that
Speaker 3: they're having these conversations. It seems like they're having the
Speaker 3: real conversations you need to have early in a relationship.
Speaker 3: It's like if you're if you find out eight months
Speaker 3: from now that one of you wants four kids and
Speaker 3: one of you wants none, that's a problem.
Speaker 2: So having these kind of what's your religion? How do
Speaker 2: you want to raise?
Speaker 1: These two episodes kept like slamming into my face. It's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god. Right, they don't know if what it's
Speaker 1: like to live with each other. No, like that's so intense.
Speaker 2: No, oh my god, you have three cats. I'm horribly
Speaker 2: allergic to cats. I mean, like, you never know the
Speaker 2: stuff that it's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: They talk about their dogs later, Yes, wait right, they
Speaker 1: have to like get along with each other's dogs.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's so crazy.
Speaker 3: But I feel like they're the ones that are like,
Speaker 3: let's let's talk about these things now, right.
Speaker 1: And they move right into the fact that she was
Speaker 1: cheated on and he admits to cheating before when he
Speaker 1: made out with a girl and forgot about it.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: She asks if it will be difficult to be and
Speaker 1: he says, I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Weird answer. No.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing about Felipe that I'm learning. He's very precise.
Speaker 1: I think he's actually smarter than he comes across.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean, Like he's a smart guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't like he There was something about
Speaker 1: him in the first couple episodes he was kind of like.
Speaker 2: The goofy, you know, funny funny. But I think he's.
Speaker 1: Actually he's like he he won't say I'm definitely gonna,
Speaker 1: you know, be able to be like it's because she
Speaker 1: didn't ask him, are you going to be monogamous? She
Speaker 1: asked him, do you think it's going to be difficult?
Speaker 1: And he's being honest, like he's being you know, nuanced
Speaker 1: about it. I guess he's saying.
Speaker 2: Like, weird question, is hard to be nuanced about though,
Speaker 2: when you're with your new wife. Yeah, but is it
Speaker 2: gonna be hard to be monogamous? No? Do size matter? No,
Speaker 2: it's just he answers things right away.
Speaker 1: No, I would be honest about this because I think
Speaker 1: the point of marriage is that monogamy is difficult.
Speaker 2: I think there's truth in that. I don't think it's.
Speaker 1: Yes, it's not easy to be monogamous. If it's easy
Speaker 1: to be monogamous, it's not an accomplishment.
Speaker 2: Find it incredibly easy. It is not.
Speaker 1: Come on the whole point, the whole point of getting
Speaker 1: married is that it's not easy to be monogamal.
Speaker 2: Oh see, I disagree entirely.
Speaker 3: I think the point of being married is you found
Speaker 3: the person you want to be monogamous with forever, and
Speaker 3: all that other ridiculous dating, having to sleep with other people,
Speaker 3: taking your clothes off for the first time in front
Speaker 3: of them, which makes you nervous, all.
Speaker 1: That that's gone, that's sleepy, that's actually activating it. But
Speaker 1: the idea that you might like somebody else or be
Speaker 1: attracted to somebody else, and that you're not going to
Speaker 1: feel attraction or feel interesting.
Speaker 3: Finding an attraction to somebody else doesn't mean you're not
Speaker 3: being monogamous.
Speaker 2: It's the idea that But it's a difficulty. Oh see, Yeah,
Speaker 2: there's nothing difficult in that for me.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, there just is I've never had, never, once
Speaker 3: had a moment when I've been with another girl, when
Speaker 3: I'm in a committed relationship where I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: what am I going to do?
Speaker 2: Am I maybe going to cheat? My maye? Never once
Speaker 2: has that ever happened.
Speaker 1: No, that's interesting because to me, the whole point is
Speaker 1: that monogamy is slightly like a challenge because that's why
Speaker 1: it's an accomplishment. Yeah, because you stay together, because that's
Speaker 1: like great.
Speaker 2: In spite of wanting to be with other people.
Speaker 1: Well, just yes, because naturally monogamy is not like natural,
Speaker 1: I don't think like I think naturally you want to
Speaker 1: sleep with a.
Speaker 2: Bunch of different people in your life.
Speaker 3: You know, it's you know what's interesting is it might
Speaker 3: have something to do with my anxiety where it's literally
Speaker 3: like the idea that all that's gone is hugely relaxing
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 2: So to me, monogamy is I.
Speaker 1: Actually agree like the idea of dating and like, ugh,
Speaker 1: it seems exhausting and miserable. Also, the idea of cheating
Speaker 1: seems well, the idea of like having to manage more
Speaker 1: than one person's schedule and keep it a secret is
Speaker 1: a not so no, like in reality, like I'm not
Speaker 1: tempted whatsoever in that sense, but in the sense of, like,
Speaker 1: am I.
Speaker 2: Attracted to other people? Sure?
Speaker 1: Is the idea of sleeping with a like a bunch
Speaker 1: of different people interesting?
Speaker 2: Yes, of course. Yeah. See that's never been my way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've never I can It's it's I get anxious
Speaker 3: with that shit. So it's like, oh my god, thank
Speaker 3: god I found my person. I don't have to deal
Speaker 3: with any of that shit anymore. So attracted to my wife,
Speaker 3: all this stuff I want to do with quote unquote
Speaker 3: with other people, I just get to do with you,
Speaker 3: and I don't have to worry about that anymore.
Speaker 2: I love that. Yeah, I absolutely love that.
Speaker 1: All right, we get Marissa and Adam on the beach. Yes,
Speaker 1: she's ever modeled, but you know, it is just a
Speaker 1: way for him to get come on, you, come on.
Speaker 2: That, and she just goes.
Speaker 1: You give Apercrombie vibes. They get their iced coffee, and
Speaker 1: then I'm glad, she says. The drinking thing, the not
Speaker 1: drinking thing, isn't bothering her, which is so great.
Speaker 2: He talks about being able to toss her around.
Speaker 3: Take a sip of this, sirr alcohol and this the
Speaker 3: super chuckles.
Speaker 2: They're perfect for each other.
Speaker 1: They should just get off the show at this point, Yes,
Speaker 1: like we're done. Show them walking off into the sunset.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, sponsored by jet Ski.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe maybe it's the honeymoon period, thought.
Speaker 2: He they instantly he went for being Are you kidding
Speaker 2: me with this? Douche too? I can't wait till Adams
Speaker 2: comes back on screen again. I love him. So all right,
Speaker 2: Michelle and Cameron are on the couch. He wants to
Speaker 2: be able to talk about struggles, and so she gets
Speaker 2: emotional and talks about her fibroids issue and she had
Speaker 2: her surgery at twenty six.
Speaker 1: She's gonna need surgery again. It's gonna mean that they
Speaker 1: have to plan and ahead for the kids because she
Speaker 1: has to wait like time after Yeah, she has a surgery.
Speaker 1: She's accepted that it would be okay to adopt, and
Speaker 1: luckily his sister is adopted.
Speaker 2: So it seems like a good call man, great call, matchmakers.
Speaker 3: Right when you said that again, and I think we
Speaker 3: knew that before, but when right when when it happened again,
Speaker 3: it was like, oh, that's right.
Speaker 2: All the people to you know that adoption might be
Speaker 2: a chap. No, yeah, he seems open to it.
Speaker 1: Great, Mecca and bel Jolie having drinks at the bar.
Speaker 1: She checks in to see how they're doing, both feeling well.
Speaker 2: I'm worried he's too young.
Speaker 3: I know, emotionally it just seems like he might be
Speaker 3: a little young for marriage, Like are they gonna I
Speaker 3: could see them literally, I know this sounds crazy.
Speaker 2: I could see them being like.
Speaker 3: We've decided not to stay married, but we're gonna keep dating,
Speaker 3: Like I could see that happening.
Speaker 2: I just he seems a little young for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they I just felt like in this scene
Speaker 1: they over talked how great they're doing, like you know.
Speaker 2: How to like meeting people. Just he was so such
Speaker 2: a good time. Yeah, such a good time.
Speaker 1: We're so we're having something, and then they're so excited
Speaker 1: to get to meet other people, which also I was like,
Speaker 1: are you guys already a little like there's one of
Speaker 1: you already?
Speaker 2: I wonder for it, Yeah, I wonder. Caitlin and Devin
Speaker 2: have dinner.
Speaker 1: He brings up her dad, says your dad seems like
Speaker 1: a funny guy, which I thought is the understatement of
Speaker 1: the Jeff and she says her parents repaired well after
Speaker 1: Andy fighting, which I I liked, and I thought it
Speaker 1: was a good sentiment, but doesn't seem to play out
Speaker 1: in their story. Later on, Nicki and Sean in a
Speaker 1: little bungalow, he is complimenting her body, she is not
Speaker 1: saying the same. He says he's happy with his dad bod,
Speaker 1: strips off his shirt, and she says to the camera
Speaker 1: and a confessional that she never saw herself with the
Speaker 1: guy with the dad bod, especially without the dad she did.
Speaker 3: She did say, though, which is which is nice that
Speaker 3: she did start by saying she loves his confidence. Yes,
Speaker 3: because it's somebody like me who's always been super uh
Speaker 3: kind of not disgusted, it's not the right word, but
Speaker 3: turned off by my own body. I never feel like
Speaker 3: I'm in shape, and I never want to take my
Speaker 3: shirt off.
Speaker 2: I envy men like that that are like, what.
Speaker 3: Do I care I'm taking my shirt off and feeling
Speaker 3: the sun on my chest.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And this is the thing I like Sean
Speaker 2: a lot. Me too, Me too. I'm always like, dude,
Speaker 2: you're great.
Speaker 1: But yeah, he just doesn't have those like that's and
Speaker 1: that's why the part of me is still optimistic, because
Speaker 1: he really just doesn't seem to.
Speaker 2: It's it's a little like spectromy do.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: The way he is, and I think it's one of
Speaker 1: those things maybe he could just learn, like maybe he
Speaker 1: maybe learn the skills.
Speaker 3: I think you said it right though. I think once
Speaker 3: especially a woman has the ick. I think getting over
Speaker 3: that is a very very very tough thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He compliments her looks and she says she saw this
Speaker 1: gorgeous audience. When she highlights, he is like, the way
Speaker 1: you said gorgeous, I think she's not there yet.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: He asks her about her growth, and this is one
Speaker 1: of his first like sort of therapy psychobabble questions. When
Speaker 1: she tries to answer, he like kind of says, but
Speaker 1: that I asked you about your growth and it's very
Speaker 1: precise and like yes, she says, she feels like she's
Speaker 1: being interviewed and that the way an academic thing.
Speaker 2: Says things to her like yeah, you you didn't actually
Speaker 2: answer the question. What I said was, I'm like, wait,
Speaker 2: are you? Is she on trial?
Speaker 1: At this point?
Speaker 2: Is to just chill, yeah, chill. Yeah, it's weird, and
Speaker 2: he does. He keeps trying to hit the buzzwords that
Speaker 2: you hear on Instagram all the time. Of like, you know,
Speaker 2: this is what I'm supposed to be talking about. I
Speaker 2: hear you. I've processed, but it's like, oh, god, just
Speaker 2: have a conversation. I've taken the time to process. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's too much. It's too much.
Speaker 1: Then we get some phone footage of all the couples
Speaker 1: hanging out. I guess they're just constantly filming themselves in
Speaker 1: case something comes.
Speaker 4: Out of it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think it's kind of like, hey, when we're not here,
Speaker 2: you have to do a I'm guessing contractual, you have
Speaker 2: to do a fifteen minute blah.
Speaker 1: Blah blah, every kind of And then we get Courtney
Speaker 1: and Nick on the beach, awkwardly not sure what to
Speaker 1: do with themselves.
Speaker 2: God, Nick, we could play basketball. Do you want to
Speaker 2: swim out there? To the fact I'm not swimming?
Speaker 3: Okay, how about just sitting here talking, throw sand at
Speaker 3: each other, make a castle, just have a conversation.
Speaker 2: It's so awkward.
Speaker 1: Then we get a fake out of Felipe and Tory.
Speaker 2: Are they having sex? Nope, they're just moaning because they're
Speaker 2: eating a lot. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Then they pick up on their sort of cheating conversation
Speaker 1: because she wants someone who was loyal, and she tells
Speaker 1: this pretty entertaining story of being cheated on, how she
Speaker 1: got a message from the side chick o moved.
Speaker 2: Out while her boyfriend was away, and.
Speaker 3: Then she and the side girl like, man, yeah, but
Speaker 3: that's gotta hurt.
Speaker 1: Man Like, that's that's gotta make you so so And
Speaker 1: that's so different than what I mean. I would say
Speaker 1: that's different than what Felipe is talking about when he cheated,
Speaker 1: Like it sounds like he had one night thing, you know,
Speaker 1: like he's he made out with somebody, probably under the
Speaker 1: influence of alcohol or whatever. But in her story, it
Speaker 1: was like an ongoing thing with him. That's horrible.
Speaker 3: How do you I mean, it can ruin devastate you
Speaker 3: on so many levels, just like, Okay, you've destroyed my trust.
Speaker 3: I can't believe anything and you can't says to me anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's that's really dangerous.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I hope Felipe is sensitive to that. I think
Speaker 2: he will be. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Beljiuli and Mecca are on a boat talking about outfits,
Speaker 1: which are matching greens. She brings up.
Speaker 2: Their friendship and she says this thing she wants.
Speaker 1: She's wondering if their friendship is outweighing their romance, but
Speaker 1: he thinks it's natural. She likes a man to lead
Speaker 1: and not keep checking.
Speaker 2: It's such a it's such a dance dude, I know.
Speaker 2: And he's not making the moves. Basically, it seems like.
Speaker 1: He has not you know, and she's ready. She's ready
Speaker 1: for some kissing and some touching and something physical super interesting.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: At this point, I was also just like, is it
Speaker 1: the cameras? Like is he nervous about the cameras being there?
Speaker 1: Because that would kind of be weird too, sure, Like
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would be super ready to like.
Speaker 2: How many times you kissed on camera?
Speaker 1: But with my wife, Like if I if a camera
Speaker 1: my wife around, I probably i'd hold her hand, right,
Speaker 1: But I don't think I'd be macking on my wife
Speaker 1: on camera. Like I don't like doing PDAs, Like we
Speaker 1: do it when we're alone, like you have a private
Speaker 1: moment like on the way, you know, we pass each
Speaker 1: other or something, or at a party. We don't do
Speaker 1: it at like a table at a party, you know.
Speaker 1: I feel like if a Gramera crew were following us
Speaker 1: around capturing our normal life, even if we were like
Speaker 1: on a boat.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be making up with my wife
Speaker 2: on Hey, I kind of agree with you.
Speaker 3: I also think he's right, though, and and or she's right,
Speaker 3: if especially right at the beginning. If you're not careful,
Speaker 3: you get you can friend each other so fast.
Speaker 1: It seems like it's happening. I mean, because what he
Speaker 1: when he says later, I know, yeah, uh, Cordy and
Speaker 1: Nick at poolside and chairs awkward talk.
Speaker 2: Nick, come on, buddy, then something, pull out trivial pursuit
Speaker 2: cards and something. Do you want to go to the pool?
Speaker 2: So get a drink?
Speaker 1: And then she says to her camera or confessional, I
Speaker 1: am bored. I'm bold, says that she wants to get
Speaker 1: pushed in the pool anything playing at this point. Just
Speaker 1: have some drinks, which they do. It's just maybe gonna help.
Speaker 1: And this is where he talks about how his artistic,
Speaker 1: artsy side came out via reality shows, which I'm like, really,
Speaker 1: you're an entertaining guy and not right reality shows. Yeah,
Speaker 1: something's really missing for her.
Speaker 3: Yeah you forget the guy went to MI I t
Speaker 3: so he probably has an engineering analytical kind of mind
Speaker 3: which might not lend it, which is why you think
Speaker 3: the balance of being on a reality show would open
Speaker 3: him up to being far more goofy and get.
Speaker 2: But he's it's really I mean, this was this was
Speaker 2: kind of rough.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's fallen asleep during his interview.
Speaker 2: Are you okay? But he thinks everything is gonna going great.
Speaker 3: It's like he was bitten by a mosquito and got
Speaker 3: something where he's just like.
Speaker 2: Dozing in the chair and everything, and it's like, come on,
Speaker 2: all right. Then we get Caitlin and Devon jumping into
Speaker 2: a swimming hole. This place looked awesome, amazing. They have
Speaker 2: fruit and champagne.
Speaker 1: I'd still have match about their past relationships. He's she's
Speaker 1: been in two four year relationships. He's been only in
Speaker 1: year year and a half relationship. He travels a lot,
Speaker 1: he's not good with long distance. And then she introduces
Speaker 1: a recurring theme, which is this black cat golden retree.
Speaker 2: I hadn't really heard this, but I hadn't either. I
Speaker 2: kind of know what she's talking.
Speaker 1: About, This idea that there's the person who, like a cat,
Speaker 1: is more reserved, wants like, wants to come to you
Speaker 1: on their own terms. You got to earn it a
Speaker 1: little bit, Yeah, you got to earn it a little bit,
Speaker 1: and then the Golden Retriever which just loves you, Golden
Speaker 1: Retriever of Boy Meets World, which we discovered, yea, Eric,
Speaker 1: the character of Eric was very much the Golden Retriever.
Speaker 2: Asce is this always giving love, always supportive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I am definitely more of a Golden Retriever.
Speaker 2: Oh me too, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: I am one hundred percent the Golden Retriever in my relationship.
Speaker 2: I am a thousand percent the same way to my detriment.
Speaker 3: Sometimes yes, with other people, because I'm one of those
Speaker 3: people you could you could extrapolate it out even farther
Speaker 3: where it's There are some people where when you meet
Speaker 3: somebody new, they have to earn your trust. And then
Speaker 3: there's people like me where I trust you right from
Speaker 3: the start until you do something to where I can't
Speaker 3: trust you anymore. And so I don't know which one's
Speaker 3: more healthy, But that's just how I am. I'm definitely
Speaker 3: the Golden Retriever.
Speaker 1: Well, she she says that she's dated a lot of assholes,
Speaker 1: and knowing where this storyline starts to go, I would say,
Speaker 1: looking back on this scene now she is, I would
Speaker 1: say she's kind of she's used to assholes who treats
Speaker 1: her poorly. Yes, And I think it's a pattern probably
Speaker 1: started by her dad, right, which is like I love you, honey, baby,
Speaker 1: but then probably treated her horribly or didn't talk to
Speaker 1: her for whatever. So she's used to that treatment. For men,
Speaker 1: she thinks that that is what the way she should
Speaker 1: be treated, like yeah, that they have like intense moments
Speaker 1: of like fun and awesomeness and then she is like
Speaker 1: dismissed and not you know, shown affection.
Speaker 2: Why do you think that is? It seems like people
Speaker 2: just have patterns, you know, right, But it seems to
Speaker 2: be more with women than men.
Speaker 3: And I'm obviously not trying to generalize, but you seem
Speaker 3: to find a lot of women that they they you know,
Speaker 3: they always talk about the nice guy finishes last, like
Speaker 3: they kind of want the asshole and then they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: the asshole that I'm with is such an asshole, and
Speaker 3: it's like, well, yeah, you wanted an asshole, and you
Speaker 3: seem to find a lot which is strange.
Speaker 1: I mean, I definitely like I have always been more
Speaker 1: attracted to like I think I would fall prey to
Speaker 1: negging very you know, the whole negging thing right where
Speaker 1: somebody says something negative and then like and that's like
Speaker 1: the whole pickup artist's way to.
Speaker 2: Like you're supposed to like do.
Speaker 1: But I do think that like for me, like if
Speaker 1: somebody is like sort of teasing me or making fun
Speaker 1: of me or like, I'm way more likely to be like,
Speaker 1: well that's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean if they're doing it in a fun way, but.
Speaker 1: Or just any I just know my pattern like I
Speaker 1: had never like when I dated, I had the word
Speaker 1: negging was not something in this. But when I heard that,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I definitely fell for that.
Speaker 2: So I mean, is it a challenge, Yes, it's the challenge.
Speaker 2: It's the challenge.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, yeah, you're you're too cool for me,
Speaker 1: like you're cool for me, or you're like, I'm not
Speaker 1: like in your league. Now I'm gonna have to make
Speaker 1: it into your league.
Speaker 2: Like I definitely.
Speaker 1: Fall prey to that. I'm older and smart enough now
Speaker 1: that I don't think I would. But when I was younger,
Speaker 1: I definitely When I looked back back on like when
Speaker 1: I heard that term and I looked back on past relationships,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh, yeah, I totally do you.
Speaker 3: Realize the vast majority of the girls that you were
Speaker 3: doing that with were probably going, I can't believe right
Speaker 3: or strong from boy me to old is interested in me.
Speaker 2: Like you were the get no. Yes.
Speaker 1: Well, that's why I was always going for older women
Speaker 1: who didn't know what Boy Meets World was.
Speaker 2: Because they would be like, who the hell are you?
Speaker 1: You think you're the you're you're hot shit? And I
Speaker 1: was like eighteen dating twenty five year old me too,
Speaker 1: because I was like.
Speaker 2: Yes, but I thought we were the prize in our heads.
Speaker 2: We were never I think I.
Speaker 1: Put myself in situations where I wasn't because I think
Speaker 1: it would have been too like.
Speaker 2: I think that was.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: That's my pattern back then is that I would go
Speaker 1: for women that didn't probably treat me very well or
Speaker 1: have much respect for me because I was so like
Speaker 1: I didn't want a fan. To be honest, I of
Speaker 1: course I was. I wanted to get away from somebody
Speaker 1: who just wanted me because I was on television. I
Speaker 1: would so I took it to an extreme, you know,
Speaker 1: so I would literally try and find people who had
Speaker 1: never heard of Boy.
Speaker 2: Meets World, and so that usually meant older women, you know,
Speaker 2: and that would be like the biggest bonus.
Speaker 1: In fact, my first girlfriend in college you may remember Sarah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we dated for a while and she lied to me
Speaker 1: for the first month of our relationship. She pretended that
Speaker 1: she had never heard of boy Meets World, and that
Speaker 1: is part of the reason that I fell into a
Speaker 1: relationship with her.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and then how did how did she finally
Speaker 2: tell you?
Speaker 1: Like, oh no, I she broke down crying, like, you know,
Speaker 1: three weeks or a month into our relationship and was like,
Speaker 1: I am so sorry. I feel so horrible because this
Speaker 1: is getting pretty serious. But I kind of knew that
Speaker 1: you would, you know, be turned off by the fact
Speaker 1: that I had seen Boybet's World or knew who you were.
Speaker 1: So I pretended to not know who you were when
Speaker 1: we first met.
Speaker 2: Wow, and I forgave her. I was like, yeah, then
Speaker 2: she showed you your a TGIF tattoo.
Speaker 1: I mean, in part, it's like I was, you know,
Speaker 1: I was part of the problem too, because like I
Speaker 1: was artificially putting up a bear where I was like,
Speaker 1: if you've seen boring Me's world, we're doing to recognize me,
Speaker 1: you couldn't possibly be a real relationship, which is bullshit, like,
Speaker 1: of course, obviously somebody, you know whatever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I always went for older women because it
Speaker 3: meant that I was more mature if they liked totally, like,
Speaker 3: that's what it means. I'm an adultate, I'm you know,
Speaker 3: I'm seventeen, she's twenty eight. That means I'm really like
Speaker 3: twenty eight. It's like, that's what it was. Like, Okay,
Speaker 3: that's really actually just creepy when you look back at it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: Nikki and Sean on the Beach talk about how their
Speaker 1: video diary went sideways the night before.
Speaker 2: That's all.
Speaker 3: So the pattern you keep seeing with them is they're like, yeah,
Speaker 3: we're going to the airport.
Speaker 2: So we had a serious problem at the airport. That's
Speaker 2: what they keep telling you. We're going for drinks. We
Speaker 2: ended up having a terrible night at drinks. It's like, uh, so,
Speaker 2: it seems that.
Speaker 1: She decided that they're gonna go through the entire on
Speaker 1: camera experiment before having sex, and she decided this without
Speaker 1: really him one hundred percent agreed, although it sounds like he.
Speaker 2: Kind of did. So it's one of these things.
Speaker 1: It seems like what Shawn's really upset about is that
Speaker 1: they're not gonna have sex, and he can't be upset
Speaker 1: about that, so.
Speaker 2: He's keeps being upset about I'm just upset about the
Speaker 2: way you say, you know. It's one of those things.
Speaker 2: It's like, no, no, I'm not mad that we're not having
Speaker 2: sex for five weeks.
Speaker 1: I'm mad about the way you did it without consult
Speaker 1: made that decision without me being on board.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, but it does sound a little
Speaker 3: bit like she was like, I've decided we're not having sex,
Speaker 3: and then turned to the cameras like we've decided to
Speaker 3: not have sex.
Speaker 2: And he's like, well, I didn't decide to not have sex.
Speaker 1: But they did have a conversation about it, right, and yeah,
Speaker 1: and I know, but yeah, I don't know. Man, he's
Speaker 1: making it about how they communicate, which I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if it's really about how they communicate.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: She wants to get Yeah, she absolutely wants to get
Speaker 3: through this entire experiment without ever being naked with this guy,
Speaker 3: and then and then they're not gonna be together at
Speaker 3: the end, and she can be like I never even
Speaker 3: slept with them.
Speaker 2: That's what that's I'm that's what she wants at least.
Speaker 1: Now, can they get out of it before the show
Speaker 1: is over?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they can. I think you can go.
Speaker 3: I think it's happened before. Dude, there's been some random
Speaker 3: shit that's happened on the show. I remember one of
Speaker 3: the seasons. Seriously, I forget which season it was. This
Speaker 3: is the truth. They got married and they go to
Speaker 3: the airport for the honeymoon, and the woman he just
Speaker 3: married was pulled aside by security and arrested. She had
Speaker 3: a warrant for her rest and couldn't leave the country,
Speaker 3: and so they put him in off Well, no, they
Speaker 3: put him in a hotel room and with the cameras.
Speaker 3: The producer came up and they're like, we vetted, we
Speaker 3: didn't know any of this happened. If you want to
Speaker 3: bail now, you can bail now. We completely understand what's
Speaker 3: going on. And then they interviewed her and she's like,
Speaker 3: it was a misunderstanding. My ex boyfriend said I was
Speaker 3: stalking him, So there was like some warrant I thought
Speaker 3: I took care of. And they ended up continue on
Speaker 3: the show, but they wouldn't let her leave the country
Speaker 3: at first, so that like the first night with his
Speaker 3: wife they're like, oh, she was arrested. So, I mean,
Speaker 3: there's crazy stuff that has happened on this show.
Speaker 1: Because it's a crazy show. This crazy dream I kept
Speaker 1: thinking about. This episode really hit me because I feel
Speaker 1: like in the first couple, first three episodes, I don't know,
Speaker 1: there's something about the marriage. It almost seems like a
Speaker 1: dated show, you know what I mean, Like it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe they're gonna work. But now where the rubber meets
Speaker 1: the road, you're like, these people are like, you're marriage.
Speaker 1: That's so weird, and like, let those expectations of what
Speaker 1: a marriage is when you've never been married before, yes's
Speaker 1: super interesting. That's what That's what we're seeing play out
Speaker 1: right now, is how their expectations of what it means
Speaker 1: to be married, yes, like what that actually means to them,
Speaker 1: Like in Shawn's case, to have sex. Yes, So he's
Speaker 1: sort of like I expected to get married to have
Speaker 1: a guaranteed right to have sex all the time. That's
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like I think he seriously
Speaker 1: thought that. It was like I'm getting a life partner.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be able.
Speaker 2: To sixty nine with me? Whenever I would sean, dude,
Speaker 2: you're still doing a reality show. Yeah, that you know.
Speaker 2: But he's like, but well that's the commitment. Oh god,
Speaker 2: oh my god.
Speaker 1: All right, Caitlen and Devin are going to bed and
Speaker 1: she says she's gonna set the alarm to wake up and.
Speaker 2: The am set up, set up, set up. He says,
Speaker 2: wake me up before you go go because I'm not
Speaker 2: planning on going. So he wakes up and I guess
Speaker 2: doesn't wake him up. Nope, leaves for the gym.
Speaker 1: So then he wakes up and she went without him,
Speaker 1: and he's upset that she didn't communicate him. That's fair,
Speaker 1: that's fair.
Speaker 2: Fair. It seems like like we literally have footage of
Speaker 2: her saying she would wake him up. Fair.
Speaker 1: It does seem like she kind of ran away from him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again, all you need to do is just
Speaker 3: be like I need him alone time, and my alone time.
Speaker 2: Is the gym.
Speaker 3: Yep son, I'm gonna wake up, I'm gonna go an
Speaker 3: hour before you.
Speaker 2: We'll high five on the way out.
Speaker 3: And I think he would have, like any other dude,
Speaker 3: would have been like, no worries, Like that's fine, right,
Speaker 3: I totally understand that I'm an athlete. There's times I
Speaker 3: need to put on my headphones, and I need to
Speaker 3: talk about how he was.
Speaker 1: In long distance relationships because he was always traveling, so
Speaker 1: he's clearly used to being separated or not he used
Speaker 1: to it.
Speaker 2: He says he didn't love it, but it.
Speaker 1: Seems like as long as you can communicate about the
Speaker 1: actual like.
Speaker 3: What are your needs, what are your wants and your needs?
Speaker 3: But telling me one thing and then just not doing
Speaker 3: it and then telling the camera I need to be
Speaker 3: by myself not okay, So yeah, weird, all right?
Speaker 1: And then we see people getting ready to go meet
Speaker 1: up each other as a as a big group.
Speaker 2: The whole group is going to gather at.
Speaker 1: The pool, So this is really weird to think about,
Speaker 1: like how these people already know each other that within
Speaker 1: genders they know each other right, but they haven't met
Speaker 1: each other's partner, so this must be a fun is
Speaker 1: a cool experience, and Felipe is super happy. He's just
Speaker 1: in his element with all these people around. And Adam
Speaker 1: immediately says the Tory and Felipe are a good match,
Speaker 1: which is I think accurate. Sean says that this is
Speaker 1: a that it's a good match for Felipe because this
Speaker 1: is the longest I've seen Felipe be quiet.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also though, the thing that's interesting, and you
Speaker 3: notice this and every season of the show, this is
Speaker 3: also the first opportunity for couples to equate themselves to
Speaker 3: where they are to where the other couples are. This
Speaker 3: is so it's like it's like, oh, okay, they're already
Speaker 3: having sex. Oh, look they're touching each other a lot.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, they're laughing really easily. I don't have that
Speaker 3: in my relationship.
Speaker 2: So you are you're judging it against all the other
Speaker 2: people that are around.
Speaker 1: Well, right here, Felippe and Courtney already have more banter
Speaker 1: in chemistry than she does with Nick, and it's painful
Speaker 1: to watch.
Speaker 2: She likes I think she likes Felipe.
Speaker 1: There's an immediate spark there, and it's just because he's
Speaker 1: socially engaging, he's entertaining.
Speaker 2: He's funny. She's like, he walks in and he owns
Speaker 2: the room. That's what I gotta say.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't blame Nick entirely, and to a certain extent,
Speaker 1: if you remember Courtney's Matchmaker conversations, she thought of it
Speaker 1: a little bit much like a resume I think because
Speaker 1: remember she was the one that was like politically they have.
Speaker 2: To be this, you know, she like she went the
Speaker 2: checklist and she was like, I want an athlete, but
Speaker 2: not a bodybuilder.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I feel like she and I think maybe she should
Speaker 1: have been a little more like, hey, personality is important,
Speaker 1: you know, because because what she got was like a
Speaker 1: good dude, like he's the resume, he's the package. Yeah,
Speaker 1: clearly smart and yeah, like based on what she said,
Speaker 1: I don't think Felipe would have been on her list,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Right, because he wouldn't
Speaker 1: have been an athlete, he wouldn't have maybe been attractive
Speaker 1: enough for her, he warns a restaurant. He cares more
Speaker 1: about socializing than he does his job or like you know,
Speaker 1: and and yet it seems like immediately she has more
Speaker 1: of a so you know, this is a little on her,
Speaker 1: like so she presented what she wanted. I can see
Speaker 1: that Felipe says he has the least faith in Nick
Speaker 1: and coordinate because it seems like it Nick is not
Speaker 1: here for love, which is exactly to your point about.
Speaker 2: You said that, Yeah, but he's also again that's what
Speaker 2: that's what kind of changed my mind is because he
Speaker 2: also doesn't seem to be here for the reality show
Speaker 2: because he's not speaking on camera at all. I mean
Speaker 2: it's like he's falling asleep during his interviews, so like,
Speaker 2: what is he doing? The girls chat, they go right
Speaker 2: to the sex.
Speaker 1: Uh, everyone sort of updates that, you know, nothing's happened yet.
Speaker 1: I'm cuddling, but Marissa says, okay, skip and everyone squeals
Speaker 1: and cheers.
Speaker 2: Is because Adam trained for this. He trained, Adam got
Speaker 2: the job done. He did.
Speaker 1: He's just as beautiful, emotional and heartfelt. That is as
Speaker 1: his rendition of fair lease. You know, can we play
Speaker 1: back the rendition of fair lease was let's let's just
Speaker 1: do it all, fourteen minutes of it, you know, because
Speaker 1: it was so memorable and authentic. You know, one more,
Speaker 1: it was heartfeld, right, you remember his fairlies.
Speaker 3: You know that he finished having sex with her and
Speaker 3: then he went, I'm gonna do one more.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do one more. I'm just give me a minute, bit,
Speaker 2: just give me a minute. And I could do that again,
Speaker 2: put my sogs on.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's how women want to sex, right with someone
Speaker 1: who's gritting his teeth and just performing his job.
Speaker 2: Hell. Yes, it's passionate because I says it. I say
Speaker 2: it is. That's why he's the guy. He's looking in
Speaker 2: the mirror while he does it. Yeah, sexy, what's that?
Speaker 2: That's a Christian bale from American psycho. He's like making
Speaker 2: the making, the flexing. Their seems like ursus. She loves it,
Speaker 2: she loves it. I mean, I'm in on this couple.
Speaker 2: I'm in on this couple.
Speaker 1: Adam says he won't kiss and tell with the guys,
Speaker 1: which is his humble brag way to say, I to
Speaker 1: my wife, I win, mother, I did I did it,
Speaker 1: did it, got the job done.
Speaker 2: Exactly sixteen minutes as per plan.
Speaker 3: Two minute break, two minute break, did a little uh
Speaker 3: round dration in round three, round three in the morning.
Speaker 2: We hit it every time, jet ski, jet ski, and
Speaker 2: we did it again. Got an h jam with jet ski.
Speaker 2: Mission accomplished. Felipe asks if there have been any points
Speaker 2: of friction.
Speaker 1: Devin says that Caitlin is very independent and he doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like he wants to be overbearing. Felipe says, it's
Speaker 1: a marathon, not a sprint, and I thought this was
Speaker 1: very good advice. Yep, I hope that trust, trust the process.
Speaker 4: Trust.
Speaker 2: You just said that this would be the thing, Trust
Speaker 2: the process.
Speaker 1: Meanwhile, Caitlyn talks about wanting more space, needs her own time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not going so well. These people are
Speaker 2: not meant to be. Really, these people are not meant
Speaker 2: to be. She's not, and I'm gonna very rarely ever
Speaker 2: do this. This is on her. She's a different person
Speaker 2: than they got married. I think she can break her pattern.
Speaker 1: I think she can break her like if her pattern
Speaker 1: is I've dated horrible men who have been unemotional and
Speaker 1: I you know, they treat me like crap, and I'm
Speaker 1: addicted to that to a certain extent. Maybe she can
Speaker 1: break that addiction and be like, actually, this is a
Speaker 1: stable guy.
Speaker 2: And if he can, if.
Speaker 1: He can learn to like cool off a little bit,
Speaker 1: and she can communicate when she needs her time. I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, I'm hoping. I'm hoping because I like
Speaker 1: them together. I like them, you know, I was kind
Speaker 1: of rooting for him.
Speaker 2: Well see all right.
Speaker 1: Sean recaps the diary cam fail. He says, like, we
Speaker 1: already had a real real argument. Nicki at her table
Speaker 1: talks about how they had this argument, but he did
Speaker 1: come back the next day, she says, having learned and
Speaker 1: he's taught her how to meditate, got her meditating, he
Speaker 1: brings her coffee.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: Man Like, if he really did do that, which we
Speaker 1: didn't see, you.
Speaker 2: Know, I think he might win her over. I think
Speaker 2: emotionally they could maybe make it work. I don't think
Speaker 2: she'll ever be attracted to him physically. I just don't
Speaker 2: think she will.
Speaker 1: Well, Courtney's really because they haven't slept together and haven't kissed.
Speaker 1: She says she's not into him, which I'm not sure
Speaker 1: anyone else is really saying directly. So yeah, Nick talks
Speaker 1: to the camera and says that Adam, Adam and Marissa
Speaker 1: physically all over each other, and he feels like he
Speaker 1: and Courtney are vibing emotionally.
Speaker 2: So this dude has no clue, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: He's not reading the room.
Speaker 3: No, they're on a different just different planets when it
Speaker 3: comes to this.
Speaker 1: I mean, Courtney and Caitlin connect, these two sort of
Speaker 1: you know, both one alone time. Yeah, and then Nick
Speaker 1: slithers in they immediately get awkward. So yeah, Earlier in
Speaker 1: this episode, he says, I'm gonna go slither away to
Speaker 1: my wife, I would never use the word slither. And
Speaker 1: this is just one of those weird questions. If you
Speaker 1: were describing your own physical movements, would you say slither?
Speaker 2: I slithered over to no. No.
Speaker 3: Also, though, I've got to say, Courtney, if you're listening
Speaker 3: less suicide references, please less I'm gonna shoot myself in
Speaker 3: the heads. She did it like three times and it's like,
Speaker 3: oh yes, and it's like, Okay, we get it. You're
Speaker 3: not enjoying yourself. You don't need to mimic the fact
Speaker 3: that you're going to kill yourself because you're with this dude.
Speaker 2: For Ai, It's like, come on, yeah, and let's move
Speaker 2: on to episode five.
Speaker 1: So Many Penguins again, Met a Penguins.
Speaker 2: Devin and Kalyn come back to the room.
Speaker 1: He brings up the gym issues.
Speaker 2: She wants space recharge time. He seems to perspect it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so seems like he needs to say that it's
Speaker 1: more about communicating, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not he's not he's not able to I mean,
Speaker 1: and hopefully this will come up when they go into
Speaker 1: their like next phase, which yeah, working with the matchmakers, right,
Speaker 1: So yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just being like, dude, I'm I'm okay with all that.
Speaker 2: You just gotta let me know. Yeah, like you're not
Speaker 2: gonna get shipped for me, go to your thing, but
Speaker 2: just please let me know that that's what you're gonna do.
Speaker 2: Nicki and Sean. She's trying on a dress. She's afraid
Speaker 2: of boob's gonna pop out.
Speaker 1: He wants a pooped up I watch your move to
Speaker 1: pop out, Sean.
Speaker 2: Sean, Buddy cool budie Sean.
Speaker 1: Michelle and Cameron just got back from a Mayan ceremony
Speaker 1: where they kissed on the lips.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to do this just aesthetically you with the
Speaker 2: height thing, it's just too much. No, the two of
Speaker 2: them don't look as good together as the other couples.
Speaker 2: It just it looks off. I don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: It just looks off. They look wonky together. I don't know.
Speaker 2: They just when Adam and Marissa under a tree, Okay, yes,
Speaker 2: s I I should say J E T S K
Speaker 2: I N J. He runs, She runs his hand on
Speaker 2: his leg. Kiss. Yeah, yeah, no, Barb, I feel that
Speaker 2: that's an extra muscle most people don't have. That's an
Speaker 2: that's an atom muscle. I've got an extra one trained
Speaker 2: for this. That's my second Adam's Apple down. It's a
Speaker 2: jet ski apiece. So I'm so Adam. I got two
Speaker 2: Adams Apple. I got three, one on each leg. I
Speaker 2: have an extra caf because of the jet skis.
Speaker 1: Nicki and Sean sit down for dinner and he begins
Speaker 1: to interview her about friendship bro So, she was with
Speaker 1: her seventeen year old boyfriend for ten years. She says
Speaker 1: she outgrew him at year five. She had bigger dreams
Speaker 1: and her boyfriend wanted a simple woman. And I thought
Speaker 1: this explained a lot, you know, like oh, and then
Speaker 1: Sean says that when things get difficult, women avoid him.
Speaker 1: He has never experienced a love where someone is caring
Speaker 1: or providing for him.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure he's found it.
Speaker 3: Did you find any of what Nicky said about outgrowing
Speaker 3: her boyfriend at year five? And did you find any
Speaker 3: of that a little bit red flaggy? I just wonder
Speaker 3: if ever a relationship gets comfortable with her where it's like, hey,
Speaker 3: I'm good at my job. I enjoy my job, but
Speaker 3: I also like the comfortability of our relationship. If it's
Speaker 3: going to to her be like, well, now you're not
Speaker 3: trying like you always need to be going forward.
Speaker 1: No, Actually, I think the red flag was that she
Speaker 1: stayed with him for so long. Well, because she says
Speaker 1: a year five she had already outgrown.
Speaker 2: Him of a ten year relationship.
Speaker 1: Because like you know, my wife has a very similar
Speaker 1: past story where she was like, very happily in a
Speaker 1: long term relationship pretty early on in her life and
Speaker 1: just reached the point where she was like, I this
Speaker 1: is this person wants a life that is very simple,
Speaker 1: and I want to be an actor. I'm to be ambitious.
Speaker 1: I have big art dreams, and I want to take
Speaker 1: on the world. And so she took the brave step
Speaker 1: of walking, you know, moving out of a long term
Speaker 1: relationship at the age of twenty two, and like, that
Speaker 1: is to me, the what what nick? You should have
Speaker 1: done that too, Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: I get that, you know, I don't think it's a
Speaker 1: red flag that you found yourself, you know, realizing that
Speaker 1: you outgrew the person you're with. I think that's actually way, like,
Speaker 1: that's pretty healthy. I think it's good.
Speaker 3: I think if it happens once, it's really healthy. If
Speaker 3: it's happens over the part and then you've got it,
Speaker 3: then it's part.
Speaker 2: But I'm not saying that's happened to her. I'm just
Speaker 2: I was wondering.
Speaker 3: It struck me a little, like, Okay, I wonder if
Speaker 3: that's the only time it happened, or.
Speaker 2: It's just no one will ever be good enough for you.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's interesting.
Speaker 1: Michelle and Cameron are sitting down for lunch discussing Cavia,
Speaker 1: and then they bring up and this is one of
Speaker 1: those moments where was like, where there he doesn't live
Speaker 1: in Seattle. It's like, yeah, God, so we have the
Speaker 1: logistics factor of getting married. Yeah, so he's in Portland
Speaker 1: until March. He's coaching basketball. He asks her if she's
Speaker 1: open to living in different places.
Speaker 2: She likes Seattle. She doesn't seem to be up.
Speaker 3: Also, a coaching job, you go where the job is,
Speaker 3: and you're in Seattle this week, and then next month
Speaker 3: you're in Indiana and that's where you live now for
Speaker 3: three years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she says, raising a family, she wants to be
Speaker 1: near her parents. But I mean this is where I
Speaker 1: was like, Portland's actually only three hours from Seattle.
Speaker 2: They're really close.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, man, Like, for me, this is
Speaker 1: like kind of a crazy conversation because like in La,
Speaker 1: everyone I know had to move away from their parents
Speaker 1: to you know, to La, and they all have kids
Speaker 1: without grandparents nearby, right, So I don't know, but maybe
Speaker 1: that's just an La things Like I felt like she
Speaker 1: they were making kind of a big deal out of
Speaker 1: like you three hours from your parents, Like that's yeah,
Speaker 1: still having that's still pretty damn close to your parents.
Speaker 2: I guess it also depends on how you're raised. I mean,
Speaker 2: she's Vietnamese, and I don't know much about the Vietnam much.
Speaker 2: I don't know anything about the Vietnamese community, but I
Speaker 2: imagine if it's anything like other Asian communities, then you're
Speaker 2: very close to multi generational families totally that are with
Speaker 2: each other and helping to raise children.
Speaker 1: And no, I think if you can do it, definitely,
Speaker 1: But three hours is not that fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah you can pull that off.
Speaker 3: I'm more worried about just his job because again, it's
Speaker 3: like it's usually oh, hey Portland just fired you. Hey
Speaker 3: I just got a job in Syracuse. It's like that's
Speaker 3: you're all over the place when you're doing something like this.
Speaker 1: Well, then they move into this you know, fribrory fibroid
Speaker 1: surgery conversation again and she says, this is where she says,
Speaker 1: we have to plan a year out, like I have
Speaker 1: to have surgery and then has to be another year
Speaker 1: before we could even have kids.
Speaker 2: And then this.
Speaker 1: Interesting thing happens where he says, so you have to
Speaker 1: you have to plan ahead, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's a you not we interesting Oh I didn't notice
Speaker 1: that he's still thinking in terms of like I and
Speaker 1: you will have to plan it. He's not like, Okay,
Speaker 1: so we will have to plan ahead and we want
Speaker 1: to have kids.
Speaker 2: I was like, dude, that sucks.
Speaker 1: Yeah he said it, like yeah, and it's not it's
Speaker 1: his fault. I mean, this is obviously it's an unconscious thing.
Speaker 1: But it was definitely a moment that I noticed. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you are not You're not one hundred percent on board yet,
Speaker 1: because if you were one hundred percent on board, you'd
Speaker 1: say we we will have to plan a year out,
Speaker 1: Like that's what you say when you've married somebody, and yeah, you.
Speaker 3: Got twenty bucks on you right now and you have
Speaker 3: to yay or nay. Cameron and Michelle nay.
Speaker 2: I think so too, just knowing that. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: so too. Yeah, everyone meets at the pool. Uh Felipe
Speaker 2: talks about being ugly.
Speaker 1: Nick says he was nerdy growing up, and then we
Speaker 1: get Adam swim sucks man.
Speaker 2: His confidence is remarkable. Did he give the reason that
Speaker 2: I think he gave? Did I rewind it twice?
Speaker 3: And hear that you never know when somebody's gonna throw
Speaker 3: you a football or something, so you want to have traction.
Speaker 2: Not slit. Yeah, he wants traction for what for? Just
Speaker 2: in case a flag football game brings.
Speaker 1: You never know what a random jet ski might be
Speaker 1: going down, and you got to you gotta get that
Speaker 1: that leap to jump onto the jete.
Speaker 2: It's so strange.
Speaker 1: Why cotton socks Like there are socks smart wool socks
Speaker 1: are made for water, like that's the idea behind them.
Speaker 1: So yeah, because if they get wet, they don't get cold.
Speaker 1: So there's like literally a whole branch a type of
Speaker 1: sock that is like basically an aqua sock, like that's
Speaker 1: what it's made for. Or booties dude like everywhere like yeah,
Speaker 1: that's but why just regular.
Speaker 2: It's so dorky, so strange. But his confidence is admirable.
Speaker 2: I love it, Caitlin, Courtney's still craving alone time. They
Speaker 2: talk about that. Courtney especially just dying to not have
Speaker 2: one on one time.
Speaker 1: If she wants to be around everybody else.
Speaker 2: God, she'll kill herself if she has to do that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then in the pool, Nick says to Mecca, I
Speaker 1: wish she'd just come over and talk to me at
Speaker 1: any point.
Speaker 2: No, I don't. Nick needs the course correct to not
Speaker 2: get friend zoned.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mecca says his biggest problem with him right now
Speaker 1: is that he doesn't want to look like I'm thirsty.
Speaker 1: He's scared he's going to mess things up, but he
Speaker 1: hasn't done anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a dance man. It's a delicate balance. I
Speaker 2: get that. Am I pushing too far? Is it not enough?
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Contribution to the conversation thosand dollars cash if anyone beats
Speaker 1: me at pickle ball. Yes, Courtney tells everyone she just wishes.
Speaker 1: She wants to say to Nick, you're boring, And she
Speaker 1: points to Felipe as someone who can work her rooms.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's got a thing for think she does. I
Speaker 2: think she's got a thing for Felipe.
Speaker 1: And then we get some very on the nose lyrics
Speaker 1: why don't you put your lips on mine? I don't
Speaker 1: want to kiss, I just want a piece of your mind.
Speaker 2: This was this episode?
Speaker 1: Really the lyrics? This, I mean, this is the dumbing
Speaker 1: down of America. Right, Editors on shows, listen, please stop
Speaker 1: googling song lyrics to fit the.
Speaker 2: Theme of the scene, which they do. You can do better,
Speaker 2: find like.
Speaker 1: A counterpoint, find it like a subtle chorus, or a
Speaker 1: song that relates to the theme in some sort of
Speaker 1: like intersection, not like a perfect reflection.
Speaker 2: I just think this is just sitting by the pool
Speaker 2: with the sock song. Exactly if you made the ratchels
Speaker 2: did you want to get married? Your friend?
Speaker 3: Zoned and sprucer of reality.
Speaker 2: I believe you could do better, do better, do better,
Speaker 2: do better?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 1: Then we get Nick Courtney on a boat trying to
Speaker 1: have fun conversation would you rather? He says, he choose
Speaker 1: bad breath forever over it's not always coming out of
Speaker 1: his I mean, both of these choices are awful.
Speaker 2: But that's why it's such an important question.
Speaker 1: I know, but she just doesn't like his answer, so
Speaker 1: I had it taken snot really.
Speaker 2: Over over bad breath all the time. Such a tough question.
Speaker 1: But bad breath you can deal with. You could just
Speaker 1: like always have a mint.
Speaker 3: But no, I think that's the point is you're saying,
Speaker 3: even the mints don't work, like you always have bad
Speaker 3: breath or you always have a running nose.
Speaker 2: That's it. I don't want to think about either one exactly.
Speaker 2: These are why these are questions based for marriage.
Speaker 1: Rider all right, Well, they do have a good conversation
Speaker 1: here about wanting to be goofy and she talk a
Speaker 1: little more playfully, and I think this is a good conversation.
Speaker 1: She starts to tear up. He puts his hand on
Speaker 1: her leg, but then she immediately like pulls back, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's like sorry, sorry, which I found interesting because
Speaker 1: she's talking about wanting to be more emotional and playful
Speaker 1: and like.
Speaker 2: And she's like there it is ten seconds. I'm good,
Speaker 2: I'm good. She's like very proud for control.
Speaker 1: And this is the thing, this is her contradictory thing
Speaker 1: is like I think she presents she wants to be
Speaker 1: the person who who doesn't need emotional regulate or emotional
Speaker 1: like supporter, but she actually does.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like h and he.
Speaker 1: To his credit, he says, hold on, let's go back
Speaker 1: to what you were saying, which about being playful and
Speaker 1: like that was cool.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, but it's not looking great. I
Speaker 2: don't think so. Michelle and Nick opening champagne. She's a
Speaker 2: speech offian about how close they've been getting. He says
Speaker 2: change is hard for him. This whole thing is very
Speaker 2: uncomfortable for me. He's afraid he's going to be trapped,
Speaker 2: and she asks, if you're so scared a commitment, then
Speaker 2: why did you do a show called marriage First Sight.
Speaker 2: That's a very good question, fair question.
Speaker 1: Yes, and then he describes their situation accurately, but I
Speaker 1: would say pretty robotically, you know, hot tub um and
Speaker 1: she says.
Speaker 2: He is a spiritual leader for them, which Sean immediately
Speaker 2: pivots to sex. Yes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He asked what you need or what you want from me?
Speaker 1: But she has nothing, So then she asks him, are
Speaker 1: there is there anything you want from me? And he
Speaker 1: proceeds to list.
Speaker 2: Physical things he wants touch and her.
Speaker 1: She kisses scratchy, scratchy, touchy, touchy, winky winky fundle balls,
Speaker 1: no big deal.
Speaker 2: Sixty nine, just rub my head and maybe rim.
Speaker 1: Me, these are things every man wants from his wife,
Speaker 1: but she very recently says no, she wants all that
Speaker 1: to happen naturally.
Speaker 2: She met him six days.
Speaker 1: Ago and yes, and he responds, oh my gosh, he's
Speaker 1: suddenly realizing she's not sexually attracted to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I.
Speaker 3: Oh it just he's not another one not reading the
Speaker 3: room at all? How many times do you need to
Speaker 3: throw out sexual things that are not landing before you
Speaker 3: re this is not you're the knock knock jokes aren't working,
Speaker 3: bro pivot and so it's yeah, somebody does not know
Speaker 3: how to read an audience at all.
Speaker 1: She says, you know, she respects and likes him, and
Speaker 1: he like says, I don't want you to kiss me
Speaker 1: because you like me and respect me fair, which is fair,
Speaker 1: but also like you what so then what a pity kiss?
Speaker 2: Like what are you saying? You like, I don't want this?
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, but you know that's what she got
Speaker 2: if you get anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, all right quick.
Speaker 1: Felipe and Torri going horseback ride and looks like they're
Speaker 1: having a good time.
Speaker 2: These two.
Speaker 1: Adam and mursay, are you going to work on your
Speaker 1: lower back?
Speaker 2: Working? My traps, and my psis Devin and Kayla having
Speaker 2: dance lessons and this dance thing. You know, this this
Speaker 2: was how that's a good time, right, he says he
Speaker 2: feels flirty, scrunchy nose vibes and like, you know, this.
Speaker 1: Is where I realized that the whole show is like
Speaker 1: they didn't get a chance to court one another, right,
Speaker 1: And I do think Devin and Caitlin would have had
Speaker 1: a better shot if they had courted one another, because
Speaker 1: you would have been able to like spend time together
Speaker 1: and then not spend time together, like gotten those breaks
Speaker 1: and she's kind of craving, and I think they would
Speaker 1: have built their sort of affection schedule over time mutually,
Speaker 1: do you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Because that's something you build mutually.
Speaker 1: You realize like, oh, this person needs a little space,
Speaker 1: this person needs a little kiss or whatever. So they
Speaker 1: had to like skip ahead, and that's really hard, you know,
Speaker 1: because what does marriage mean? For Devin, it means constant
Speaker 1: love and attention, always in it with together, And for
Speaker 1: Courty it means some awesome, flirty good times that are
Speaker 1: intense and then some space apart. And they're like they
Speaker 1: both got married with their expectation, like before the courting.
Speaker 2: Bar Ah such a weird show.
Speaker 3: See it's such a weak show because the way I
Speaker 3: and I could be wrong, but it sounds a little
Speaker 3: bit like you're saying Caitlyn is like I want this too,
Speaker 3: but I also want some time apart. Where it read
Speaker 3: to me like Caitlyn came off one way and then
Speaker 3: she'll be happy, go lucky, and then you turn around
Speaker 3: and look back and then she's out of the room
Speaker 3: or she's got she's it's like, whoa, what what the
Speaker 3: hell just happened? Like that's how it reads to me
Speaker 3: with her, and it could just be editing. It could
Speaker 3: be not like that at all. But the way you
Speaker 3: said it sounds way more reasonable than I think she's
Speaker 3: coming off on the show where it seems it doesn't
Speaker 3: seem to me like it's coming off as a reasonable thing.
Speaker 3: It comes off like it's like, wow, you seem instantly
Speaker 3: closed off and now you want It's like, I.
Speaker 1: Think that that's her emotional pattern, do you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Like I feel sorry for her too. I've
Speaker 1: seen her dad. You feel like she's she's learned a
Speaker 1: really bad pattern about male affection. And I think you know,
Speaker 1: she said it. She's been in horrible relationships. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think we're seeing that pattern. Like what happens when you
Speaker 1: live in that pattern is that you protect yourself by
Speaker 1: pulling away from the person who's showing you a lot
Speaker 1: of affection because you're terrified that any minute he's going
Speaker 1: to turn around a start being an asshole, start yelling
Speaker 1: at you, maybe being abusive, you know what might one
Speaker 1: might say, like which I think potentially her ex boyfriends
Speaker 1: and maybe her dad were.
Speaker 3: And I think if he becomes more of an asshole,
Speaker 3: she'll be more attracted.
Speaker 2: To him, exactly.
Speaker 1: And that sucks, and it sucks to his credit, he's
Speaker 1: trying to just keep you know. But and so I'm
Speaker 1: really I'm hoping that the matchmakers can maybe sort of
Speaker 1: point some of this out. Yeah, they can try and
Speaker 1: break each of their patterns, you know, emotionally, or just
Speaker 1: fit their pattern together. Like this is where I was like, Man,
Speaker 1: if they had just gone on fifty dates, they probably
Speaker 1: would have figured out this stuff about each other and
Speaker 1: just yeah, yeah, all right, Felipe and Torri. He got
Speaker 1: her flowers and they start talking about who's messy. He
Speaker 1: says he's a five out of ten. This is, you know,
Speaker 1: the reality of moving in together. He talks about how
Speaker 1: he plays video games like a fifteen year old boy,
Speaker 1: and she seems fine.
Speaker 2: She says she's gonna be an online shopper.
Speaker 1: But this scene was interesting to me because I did
Speaker 1: start to think that she's kind of taking a role,
Speaker 1: like she's pulling back her a little bit. Oh you think, yeah,
Speaker 1: not to run away from him, but kind of protecting herself.
Speaker 1: I feel like she's lessening herself to match his energy.
Speaker 2: Does that make sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's maybe a surely thing to do, like if
Speaker 1: you want to stay in a marriage. But I'm a
Speaker 1: little concerned because, like you know, she was like, I'm
Speaker 1: very religious.
Speaker 2: And he's like I'm an atheist.
Speaker 1: It's like okay, and so how many other ways is
Speaker 1: she just sort of saying, Okay, I'm gonna be a
Speaker 1: little less who I am, Yeah, to match you know.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, like because he's a big personality he is.
Speaker 3: But I think one of the most the healthiest things
Speaker 3: I heard in all the episodes was him saying, I'm
Speaker 3: making sure I'm not love bombing her. Yeah, Like I
Speaker 3: don't want to be that guy. Who's like I love you,
Speaker 3: I love you, love you right away, like I'm doing
Speaker 3: my damn this not to make that happen, which I
Speaker 3: think is you know, it's that's that's love bombing is
Speaker 3: a relatively new term, but it's obviously been around forever,
Speaker 3: and so the idea that somebody's cognizant of that where
Speaker 3: it's like I don't want to do this is again
Speaker 3: a delicate balance.
Speaker 2: And you're right.
Speaker 3: You don't get to grow over over time and over
Speaker 3: with dates. It's instantly married and jumping right into it.
Speaker 3: And then it's the honeymoon, and then you're judging your
Speaker 3: honeymoon by what other.
Speaker 2: People do on their honeymoons.
Speaker 3: But it's like you've known her a day, so that's
Speaker 3: not the same as a regular honeymoon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's there's so much shit that goes on.
Speaker 1: Well, then we get a very painful scene with Belgiulia
Speaker 1: and Mecca in robes in bed, they talk about their
Speaker 1: attraction levels.
Speaker 2: This came out of nowhere, and I thought at first
Speaker 2: he was joking, but then I don't think he was.
Speaker 1: They say that he says she's attracted to him at
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty percent and he's at eighty percent,
Speaker 1: which then he readjusts to a sixty eighty ratio.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little brutal and kind of out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: I felt really sorry for her me too, Like there
Speaker 1: are a really great couple, and.
Speaker 2: They're both beautiful people. That's what I'm saying. They're stunning.
Speaker 2: They're stunning people.
Speaker 1: I'm kind of like, what what, But you know, attractions, attraction,
Speaker 1: Like that's it's one of those things like he might
Speaker 1: have he probably would have looked at a headshot of her,
Speaker 1: and she's undeniably beautiful. I mean, all are on the show.
Speaker 1: And then the reality of attraction is when you're in
Speaker 1: that you know that chemistry, like who knows what you
Speaker 1: end up loving?
Speaker 2: I don't know. But there's also something to it.
Speaker 3: It was it's not just a conversation about how attracted
Speaker 3: I am to you. It's a conversation more about you're
Speaker 3: more attracted to me than I'm attracted to you. So
Speaker 3: it's not even like it's it's a double whammy on
Speaker 3: you because I'm not as attracted to you are, but
Speaker 3: you're I can also tell you're really attracted to me,
Speaker 3: So it's that double kind of like, ooh, you kind
Speaker 3: of in a way insulted me twice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a weird thing that he's saying, Yes, it is.
Speaker 1: It's like he's really kind of sabotaging.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it came out of nowhere.
Speaker 1: You don't want to under like just say like it's
Speaker 1: so cool that you're really into me, because it's like yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like you're right, because he's faulting her for being
Speaker 1: too into him, yes, which is like that's not something
Speaker 1: she should be at fault for. No, like, of course,
Speaker 1: she's just she's into and like obviously he likes himself.
Speaker 1: He thinks he's attractive. He's trying to be attractive the
Speaker 1: way he dresses and cares about his hair and looks,
Speaker 1: so like the fact that she's attractive should totally be Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, that should be wholly positive. Yes, And if
Speaker 1: he has anything to say, it should be I'm just
Speaker 1: a little slower on my attraction level right now and
Speaker 1: I need like a little more space.
Speaker 3: You're obviously gorgeous and this is growing, but not Yeah,
Speaker 3: you like me a lot more than I like you.
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, that's that's weird.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: We get Adam going down the slide and socks and
Speaker 1: Devin going down the slide, and he says he's craving
Speaker 1: with Adam and Marissa have which the jet skis Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, probably love. Oh that's what you mean? Okay? Marissa
Speaker 2: and Adam at dinner cheers jet skin, love cheers to
Speaker 2: jet skiing, then love. She checks his his drink for alcohol.
Speaker 2: They eat some steak bab with his hands, he picks
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 4: Ye.
Speaker 3: This, it's so comically ridiculous that he is becoming my favorite.
Speaker 1: And then Adam says that if he were to send
Speaker 1: a couple home, it'd be Devin, which I thought was
Speaker 1: a little sad, but I don't know, he's not miss
Speaker 1: completely misreading the situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he thinks they're cooked. Actually, is that what you
Speaker 2: would do? Is that what you do if you had
Speaker 2: send home? If you had to send one couplee with you?
Speaker 1: I think they're just not going to NICKI and Sean,
Speaker 1: and then I would actually Nick, I'm still hoping for Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Nick and Courtney or yeah probably next.
Speaker 2: And Sean couldn't agree more. And then let's talk about
Speaker 2: what what what? What would be hot for me to
Speaker 2: wear in the kitchen. It's so great.
Speaker 1: I love that he is if we had to fight,
Speaker 1: what would it be about? And she says that you
Speaker 1: might like your jet ski more than me and he says, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like fair someone having a kid. And
Speaker 1: it's like, no, dude, You're ki is not a child,
Speaker 1: it's a jet ski. And then I love that he
Speaker 1: says one of my ex I said, bro too much?
Speaker 2: Oh, yes you do. And he's like no, It's like,
Speaker 2: did you stop. She's like, no, good's part of my vocabulary.
Speaker 2: Bro dumped it. I dumped that. I dumped her, pushed
Speaker 2: her right off to jet Ski.
Speaker 1: Bro all right, Courtney and Nick, she wants to find
Speaker 1: a sushi spot. She asks him about the Paramount Theater
Speaker 1: and he gives a what does he say? Rb F face.
Speaker 2: Which I had to google. Oh you didn't even I
Speaker 2: knew this one, resting us face yep.
Speaker 1: Wow, you're yeah, And you know he explains that he's
Speaker 1: always does that.
Speaker 2: Is this what he talks about the fact that he's
Speaker 2: going to see Avril Levine and she was amazing. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: it's a whole nother conversation we'll have later. Really you
Speaker 2: don't like al fine, I think ave Levine's fine.
Speaker 3: I have no problem with av Levine, but the idea
Speaker 3: of this thirty one year old man, like dude.
Speaker 2: And then I was at the Avolagem. She was incredible.
Speaker 2: Like that a little weird to me. I like avel Levine.
Speaker 2: She's fine.
Speaker 1: All right, we go out on lyrics. I feel it happening?
Speaker 1: Do you feel it happening? Then we get to a
Speaker 1: commercial break and come back with the lyrics. I would
Speaker 1: take so many leaps of faith, like run away to
Speaker 1: an exotic place to you, while run away to an
Speaker 1: exotic place with you, while we see shots of an
Speaker 1: exotic place where characters have taken a leap of faith.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Michelle and Cameron bring out some laundry and they start
Speaker 1: talking about little things that might annoy each other, and
Speaker 1: she says shaving, clean up your hair, take out the trash,
Speaker 1: fair fair and then they talk about this dog thing.
Speaker 1: I actually liked that. He was like, what's your dog voice?
Speaker 1: This is a cool question, yeah, because it's very true,
Speaker 1: like everyone has the dog boys and he really drive
Speaker 1: you crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like if you hear some people's dog voice, like,
Speaker 2: oh I give.
Speaker 1: You the ck.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I thought this was funny and gave me a little
Speaker 1: more hope for these two.
Speaker 2: I hope so too, maybe maybe maybe get over the difference.
Speaker 1: And then Devin and Kaylyn and she talks to the camera,
Speaker 1: talks about being afraid that she's not gonna be able
Speaker 1: to give him what he wants. He feels rejected, and
Speaker 1: we get the lyrics. Maybe one day I'll get what
Speaker 1: I want instead of what I'm.
Speaker 2: Needing because Caitlin doesn't touch me enough enough. And that's
Speaker 2: I've ever done this show my Well, we've of course
Speaker 2: reached what an arrangement? What an arrangement? Mona mona angela angela?
Speaker 2: What an arrangement?
Speaker 3: Where of course we talk about some of the most
Speaker 3: famous arranged marriages throughout history, and today we were talking
Speaker 3: about it, and I apologize for all the pronunciation that
Speaker 3: I'm going to be butchering today, but we're talking about
Speaker 3: the Shah Jahan and Mumtaz Mahal, the arrange within the
Speaker 3: moough Hall Royal family. Shah Jahan's devotion and love for
Speaker 3: Mutaz became a legendary love story. They were married in
Speaker 3: sixteen twelve and became absolutely inseparable companions. Her death in
Speaker 3: sixteen thirty one inspired the construction of the taj mahal
Speaker 3: Oh Yeah, which she made for her because she was
Speaker 3: the love of his life.
Speaker 2: So I thought that it was an arranged marriage. It
Speaker 2: was an arranged marriage. There you go. It can work.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe the end of this season. There's a jet scheme,
Speaker 2: Hall j y, it's for you. Be built it with
Speaker 2: my muscles.
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