1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:04,040 Speaker 1: Hey, it's Nikki. We left on a pretty dramatic moment 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: last time. We'll pick up where we left off, but 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: first I wanted to let you know that while you'll 4 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: hear from a group of women who found community and 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: purpose in the process of rallying together, this episode will 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: include stories about violence, murder, suicide, and sexual assault. Some 7 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: of the victims are miners, and you'll hear quite a 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 1: lot of strong language. If you or someone you love 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:35,240 Speaker 1: has been affected by any of the themes in the show. 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 1: We've left some links in the description that offer resources 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 1: and support. Take care of yourself. Kadij and I remember 12 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: exactly where we were on September fifteenth, twenty twenty two. 13 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: I think everyone in our community does. 14 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 2: I think I was sitting in the living room and 15 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 2: I got a phone call. 16 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 1: I was in my bedroom. I got the text, and 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: think got paced on my balcony, just back and forth. 18 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 2: Wait. 19 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, I just couldn't sit I just couldn't sit down 20 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: because I just couldn't believe. I couldn't believe it was actually. 21 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was surreal. I definitely had a 22 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 2: feeling that God was on duty. No, I always say 23 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 2: God to be patient. God is on duty that morning. 24 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: It really felt like he was because after years of campaigning, 25 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: Roger Gallupski was finally in handcuffs. So George read him 26 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 1: each of his charges, and in response, he seemed pretty animated, 27 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: appearing shocked and surprise, raising his head and his eyebrows. 28 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: Remember Ophelia Williams, the mother of twins who said Gallupski 29 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: assaulted her after arresting her sons. She and an anonymous 30 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: woman who also claimed Gallupski had assaulted her had quietly 31 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: spent years working with the FBI to share information about 32 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: what had happened to them. That helped build a case 33 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: that led to Gazupski being arrested on the charges of 34 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:10,359 Speaker 1: kidnap and sexual assault on September fifteenth, twenty twenty two. 35 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: The documents filed for the case were damning. Ophilia and 36 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 1: the anonymous woman who goes by s K described Glupski's 37 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: abuse in depth. I won't go into the details, but 38 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: it was violent, not consensual, and left both women traumatized. 39 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 1: Gallupski is taken to his first court appearance on the 40 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: day of his arrest. He pleads not guilty, but that 41 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: September arrest is just the start when it hits the news. 42 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 1: Kadija and I spend hours on the phone talking to 43 00:02:57,240 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: people who want to share their Glupski stories. We redirect 44 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: them to lawyers and watch on in awe as we 45 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 1: realize the work we've dedicated years of our lives too 46 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: is finally moving things in the right direction. It isn't 47 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: all plane selling, though. Gallupski has a range of health issues, 48 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: including kidney failure, which requires regular dialysis, so he's put 49 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,080 Speaker 1: on house arrests as he awaits trial. There is a 50 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 1: lot of controversy surrounding that house arrest. Some of the 51 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: victims are outraged that he's allowed to stay living at home, 52 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: and in January twenty twenty four, someone takes a photo 53 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: that shows Gallupski out at a fast food place. Trips 54 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: out to a burger joint were not included in the 55 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: terms of a house arrest for a man accused of 56 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: serious violent crimes, but we push all of that to 57 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: the side and stay focused on our goal. Justice of 58 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: philia in the anonymous victim's case meant a lot to us. 59 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: It only involved two victims, but we knew that if 60 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: Gulubski was found guilty, it could open the floodgates for 61 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: even more women to get their day in court. So 62 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: we were hopeful, but that anticipation came with nerves. 63 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: I think for about a week straight. I went to 64 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 2: bad crying, and I woke up crying. It's just like 65 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 2: you could feel something in the air. 66 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,479 Speaker 1: Emotions were running high. We were anxious and felt a 67 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: little off balance, but we were determined to see it 68 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: through because after years of investigating and fighting for justice, 69 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: the first day of Roger Glubski's trial was finally here. 70 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 1: On the morning of December second, twenty twenty four, a sharp, 71 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: icy chill descends over Kansas City, Kansas. It's the first 72 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 1: truly cold day of the winter, and if I didn't 73 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: need to be out of the house by nine am, 74 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: I would stay inside. But this is the day we've 75 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: all been waiting for, and no amount of ice, wind 76 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: or snow can stop me from driving over to the 77 00:05:28,120 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: Topeka courthouse. I get into my car, but the GPS 78 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: is playing up. It keeps sending me to the wrong place. 79 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: So I call Kadija and we agree to meet up 80 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 1: just before the trial begins. 81 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: And in a car we talked about how luting of 82 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 2: a day it was it was probably the worst day 83 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 2: of the year, right now, Oh you know if that 84 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 2: day was cold. 85 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: Kadizu arrives a little earlier than me. It's around nine 86 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: to twenty five am when our taxi pulls up outside 87 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: the courthouse. She steps into the courthouse to warm up, 88 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: stands in the reception to shelter from the cold. But 89 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: when she walks in, she's greeted by a staff member 90 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 1: who tells her that things aren't going according to plan. 91 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: The trial isn't going to start on time. Why go? 92 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: Lucie is missing, and I'm like, he's missing? 93 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 3: You know? 94 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 2: At this point my jaw is like what. 95 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: I'm Nikki Richardson from The Teams A novel and iHeart podcast. 96 00:06:46,600 --> 00:07:09,559 Speaker 1: This is the Girlfriend's Untouchable, You big guy, Episode seven, 97 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: The Reckoning. When I park outside the courthouse that morning, 98 00:07:25,040 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 1: Kadija heads straight towards my car. 99 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 2: They can't find his ass. 100 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 3: What do you mean? 101 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:30,880 Speaker 1: They can't find him? 102 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 2: Work? They can't find him. Stay about to issue a 103 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: warrant and go look for this motherfucker? Are you safe? 104 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: I'm serious? Have my whole mouth drop who. 105 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: Was supposed to be keeping hands on him? I don't 106 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 1: fucking know Glupski was on house arrests with the understanding 107 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: that he would make his own way to court. But 108 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: his car isn't parked outside the courthouse and he's not 109 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: picking up his phone, so the judge presiding over the 110 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: trial puts out a warrant for his arrest. Kadiza tries 111 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: to explain it to me, but it just doesn't make 112 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: any sense. 113 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 2: NICKI all the shit I was not expected. 114 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: Keeping track of him he is. I'm so dumbfounded. This 115 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: was just not what I expected. Kadija and I are 116 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: at a complete standstill for a moment, trying to figure 117 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:22,679 Speaker 1: out what to do while we wait for Glupski to arrive. 118 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: You hungry, No, damn, Nikki, I don't even I mean, 119 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 1: my my brain was already prepared to go sit in court. 120 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: They said if they could find him about one o'clock. 121 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: Then they would they would try to continue on with 122 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: the trial. Well, he's gonna have some explaining to do. 123 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 1: I mean that already starts him off real bad. Even 124 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 1: if they do find him. 125 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 3: I think this motherfucker's dog. 126 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 2: He had probably left the fucking guns me though she 127 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 2: ain't coming. You know, Niko has a crazy ass sixth sense. 128 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 2: But she kept saying it's gonna be shit. She kept 129 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 2: saying it to me, And here where we are. 130 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: While Kadija and I sit in the car waiting for 131 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: Gulupski to be found and brought to court, Nico is 132 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: at home. She had been anxiously tossing and turning her 133 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: way through the early morning. 134 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 3: The day before his trail that Sunday. I could not sleep, 135 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 3: I couldn't I couldn't rest. 136 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: Nico desperately wanted justice for her younger self, her older 137 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: sister Stacy, and all the women she loved and lost 138 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: whose lives had crossed paths with Roger Gallupski. Gallupski going 139 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: on trial felt like the first step towards that. 140 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 3: I had a feeling of like butterflies, all kind of 141 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:50,920 Speaker 3: emotions was going through me. I just was able to 142 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 3: go to sleep. At about seven or eight that morning. 143 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: She can't fall into a deep sleep, so she glances 144 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:58,439 Speaker 1: over at her phone. 145 00:09:58,559 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 3: I had about twenty misco. 146 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: Kadija and I are still sitting in the car trying 147 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:08,000 Speaker 1: to figure out what's gone wrong. But then we get 148 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: a call. 149 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 2: Nico called me cry and she said her, lay, You're 150 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 2: told her he's dead. 151 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: It's nine to fifty five am. We're supposed to be 152 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,320 Speaker 1: sitting in court in five minutes, but according to Nico 153 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: and her lawyer, Roger Gulupski is dead. Kadiji and I 154 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: don't know what to do, so we just sit in 155 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: the car, shell shocked as we try to wrap our 156 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 1: minds around it. That must have been in shields I 157 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: felt this morning. We sit on our phones desperately refreshing 158 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,439 Speaker 1: the news for an official statement, details or an explanation, 159 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: and then I get a text. He was found dead 160 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: in his home where you found out? 161 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 2: Guys might just message to me. 162 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: Details slowly begin to filter through. At six am that morning, 163 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: Roger Gulubski wakes up to get ready for the first 164 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: day of his trial. At seven oh three am, he 165 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: calls up his son Matthew and tells him he is 166 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: not strong enough to do this. Still, he gets dressed 167 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: and prepares to head over to the courthouse. At around 168 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 1: eight twenty am, he takes a call from his lawyer's office. 169 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: It lasts one minute and eleven seconds. At eight thirty 170 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: he leaves the house and gets into his twenty eleven 171 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: red fod Taurusts. He makes his way down Ninth Street 172 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: to Edwardsville Drive, but doesn't reach the interstate. Instead, he 173 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: hits around about and heads back home. At nine oh one, 174 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: he calls his attorney again. They talk for a few minutes, 175 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 1: the call ends. Glupski's lawyer's office tries to call him 176 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: four more times, but he doesn't pick up. A few 177 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: minutes later, a nine to one one call comes from 178 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: the woman who's been living with Gallupski during his house arrest. 179 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: She tells the operator that she was inside when she 180 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 1: heard a loud bang. She says she ran out of 181 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: the house and onto the back porch. According to her, 182 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: Roger Glubski is sitting on the floor, still holding a pistol. 183 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: He was pronounced dead at nine to eighteen am, just 184 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 1: forty two minutes before we thought we would be in 185 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:09,680 Speaker 1: court for jury selection. The cause of death suicide. Kadija 186 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: and I sitting shock as we read the news. 187 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 2: Wow make you said, like you drop a motherfucker to 188 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 2: kill yourself just a little bit, don't it Just it's 189 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 2: it's not the best feeling in the world. It's a 190 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,000 Speaker 2: fucked up, fast feeling right now. 191 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's not the way I expected it to. 192 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 2: End on the day of motherfucker, are you fucking kidding me? 193 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: I mean, at least let them have their day in court, 194 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: but he wasn't gonna let anybody have that satisfaction. 195 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 2: We didn't know what to do really from there. We 196 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 2: kind of just sat with it on the side of 197 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: the road for probably about five minutes. For we we 198 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 2: did anything, just sitting there, like in Ah. It felt 199 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 2: like life was sucked out of Topeka. It's probably on 200 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 2: the news. 201 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: It's gotta be. 202 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 2: It's kind of work. What we doom? 203 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 3: Wow? 204 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 2: What the fuck we do? I don't know? Mm hm. 205 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: As soon as the news breaks that Roger Glupski is 206 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 1: the conspiracy theories start coming out. 207 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 2: Is he really dead? 208 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 4: That's like one of the biggest questions to me, because 209 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:10,359 Speaker 4: he felt as though he was very untouchable. 210 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: That's Trina Cooper who we heard from last time. Her mother, Dorothy, 211 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: was murdered in the eighties and Glupski was the officer 212 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: she met while trying to reopen the investigation. 213 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,760 Speaker 2: I have questions, That's why I ask, like, is. 214 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: He really dead? Trina isn't the only one who doubts 215 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: the official statement about what happened that morning. We hear 216 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: theories all day. Some people think Gallupski's hiding out in 217 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: rural Kansas, living with distant relatives in Missouri. Others say 218 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: he's taken a flight and fled to a country that 219 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: doesn't have an extradition treaty with America. But there's another 220 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: theory that starts to gain a lot of traction amongst 221 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: the community. 222 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 4: If he is dead, someone took his life. Well, Gulupski 223 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 4: taking his own life. No, you can't give me believe that. 224 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,720 Speaker 4: And I really feel as though it happened because everyone 225 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 4: else was going to be exposed. 226 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: I'll be honest. It's a theory. I consider that morning, 227 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: Glupski's trial had the potential to implicate and expose other people, 228 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 1: potentially dangerous, powerful people. In the moment, Kadija and I 229 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: can't help but wonder whether there was a person or 230 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 1: group of people desperate enough to protect themselves that they 231 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: would want Gallupski dead. But we never get evidence to 232 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: give weight to any of those theories, so we sit 233 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 1: with the official statement that Glupski's death was a suicide. 234 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: The rest of that morning is a whirlwind. We spend 235 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 1: hours on the phone talking to the Department of Justice, 236 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: who reached out to see how they could support us, 237 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: and we spoke to lists looking for more information. 238 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 2: Hey, I don't know if you heard the news, but 239 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 2: Roger Glusi didn't show off of court this morning and 240 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 2: they found him dead in his home. 241 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: To clarify, Kadijia and I are not lawyers or public officials. Still, 242 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: that morning, we find ourselves being called upon like unofficial spokeswomen, 243 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: and I'll be honest, it's kind of stressful. By eleven am, 244 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 1: the adrenaline rush is beginning to wear off, so we 245 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: make an executive decision to drive across Topeka and get 246 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: some lunch. 247 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go with the burger with cheese. 248 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think how big my stomach is about 249 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: to be. Let's just do a fullord of biscuits and gravy. 250 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,640 Speaker 1: It's one of the most disappointing days of our lives. 251 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,879 Speaker 1: But for most people in that diner, it's just a 252 00:17:54,920 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: regular Monday. They're grabbing lunch, seeing friends and having casual conversations. 253 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: Their indifference underscores how fucking surreal our day has been. 254 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: After a frantic morning outside the courthouse, things are finally 255 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 1: beginning to slow down, and for the first time since 256 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: hearing the news, we just sit down and eat and 257 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: open up about how we're really feeling. 258 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,760 Speaker 2: I couldn't find all this, and I think it's because 259 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 2: my spirit kind of met could feel the intensity of it. 260 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: It's such a tragic ending, I mean, because if he 261 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: wanted to end it, he could have ended in it. 262 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 2: It didn't have to be the day of the pluck 263 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 2: and drown. 264 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: You just have so many questions, but that has been 265 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: this entire process. Is just having so many questions, and 266 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:52,119 Speaker 1: it just feels so unresolved, you know, because there's no 267 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: justice at this point, because at least they're able to 268 00:18:54,560 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: at least it's suicide and the mission of guilt. No, no, 269 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: unless he left the known with the confession. 270 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: I'm really worried about Nitho. 271 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 1: He too, worried about all of them. 272 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 2: Really, Niko, Yeah, Nico, Vones, matter of fact, Len he called. 273 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 3: Them n. 274 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 2: Hey, Nico, how are you feeling bad? 275 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 5: Hurt? 276 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,480 Speaker 2: And I'm angry? 277 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: He said, your hurt and you're angry. 278 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 279 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: Gulupski's trial was supposed to last weeks and end on 280 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: January fifteenth, twenty twenty five. One day before the twenty 281 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:48,320 Speaker 1: fifth anniversary of Nico's older sister Stacy's murder. Nico had 282 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: thought the trial ending with Gulupski behind bars would give 283 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: her a sense of closure, but him killing himself before 284 00:19:55,720 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: he could face up to what he'd done devastated her. 285 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 3: I wanted to be able to face him and ask 286 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 3: him why and why is he lying? Asking him, plead 287 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 3: with him to tell the truth on up to what 288 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 3: you've done. You have lived your life. I wanted an 289 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 3: apology for everything that he's done. 290 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: The reality of the situation is beginning to sink in 291 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: for Niko. There isn't going to be a trial. Glupski 292 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: is never going to see his day in court, and 293 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: after a lifetime of heurt, his victims still aren't going 294 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:49,120 Speaker 1: to get the justice they deserved. She isn't the only 295 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: one feeling that way. LaMotte McIntyre spent twenty three years 296 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: in prison after being arrested by Roger Glupski, who had 297 00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: sexually assaulted his mother Rose. It was getting ready to 298 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 1: drive over to Topeka in anticipation of the first day 299 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: of the trial when he heard the news. 300 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 6: I just wanted to see him face his accusers. And 301 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 6: face the people who he had wrong. That's what the 302 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,479 Speaker 6: just system is designed to do, to help the victims 303 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 6: of society get justice by way of the people who 304 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 6: wronged them. And I was expecting my mother to experience that. Yeah, 305 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 6: I felt like I was robbed. I lost something. For 306 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 6: a moment, I feel like share lots of opportunity to 307 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 6: face my accuser or face this man who did this 308 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 6: shit to my mom. 309 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: As Kadejah and I sit in the diner eating lunch, 310 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: we get calls from victims, survivors, witnesses, and loved ones 311 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 1: reaching out to us for answers, but we don't have them. 312 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: For a while, we'd allowed ourselves to believe that if 313 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 1: we worked hard enough, pushed the right people, and kept fighting, 314 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: we could change things, prove that nobody, even a powerful 315 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: police officer, was untouchable. But it doesn't feel true now. 316 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,280 Speaker 2: I just wish I could go somewhere and just scream, 317 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 2: Like if we could just go somewhere and just scream, 318 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 2: just like over and over, just scream. 319 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: It's a tough morning, but as we work through our emotions, 320 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: we come to some conclusions. It isn't our fault that 321 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: Gelupski is dead or that the authority supervising his house 322 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,920 Speaker 1: arrest failed to find and confiscate his gun. The women 323 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,440 Speaker 1: of Kansas City, Kansas have been failed time and time 324 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: again by the authorities meant to protect them. But we 325 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: can't lose hope, even in the midst of what feels 326 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: like an impossible situation. Because ksey K is our home. 327 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: We love it too much to give up. We have 328 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: no tree choice but to channel our despair into determination. 329 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 1: So we dry our tears, leave the diner, and get 330 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: to work. 331 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:28,399 Speaker 5: I got you, I Got You. 332 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: The months that followed Glupski's death were unsettling. The authorities 333 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:41,720 Speaker 1: didn't come forward with a solid explanation for how Glupski 334 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: had been able to get and keep a gun on 335 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 1: house arrest. Kadija and I kept rewinding the tape, playing 336 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: the years leading up to his death back in our 337 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: minds and trying to figure out what could have been 338 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,119 Speaker 1: done to get justice sooner. We hope that if we 339 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,960 Speaker 1: could trace things back to the start, we might be 340 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: able to figure out what to do next. So as 341 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: we tried to make sense of Glupski's death and the 342 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: questions that left us with, we turned to the only 343 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: concrete thing. We had the dozens of interviews, folders worth 344 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: of evidence, and numerous affidavits that had been collected over 345 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:22,400 Speaker 1: the years. We were looking for answers, or at least clues, 346 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: anything we might have missed the first time around. We 347 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: wanted to find something that might give the dozens of 348 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: women whose stories we've heard some form of closure or 349 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: better yet, justice, whatever that might look like. Digging through 350 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: the files, we came across the formal statement made by 351 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: one of the police officers who worked with Glupski, Max Seifert. 352 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: When we spoke to him, he confirmed that many people 353 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: turned a blind eye to what Glupski was doing during 354 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: his time working for the KCKPD. In his statement, Max 355 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 1: go's so far as to say all of the detectives, 356 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: along with older officers and the commanders, all knew. No 357 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: one in the department questioned Gulupski's conduct, No one raised 358 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,120 Speaker 1: any questions about whether it was proper or could cause 359 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: a problem of any kind. This was not news to us, 360 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: but still it was shocking to see it on paper, 361 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,359 Speaker 1: see a legal document that outlined how people and positions 362 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: of power had seemingly allowed this to happen. There was 363 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: something else in Max's declaration that jumped out to us. 364 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 1: He draws attention to the fact that these women were 365 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: often poor and vulnerable, and that Gallupski would be seen 366 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: in places like housing projects or while leaving cheap hotels 367 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: where prostitutes were known to serve their customers housing projects. 368 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: We knew he targeted vulnerable women, but how far did 369 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: he take it? As we dug a little deeper, we 370 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 1: came across the statement of someone we'd never heard of before. Yeah, 371 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: have you seen this before? I think this is the 372 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 1: first time I've seen this. 373 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 2: This is the first time I've seen it. 374 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 1: It was a six page affidavid signed by a woman 375 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: named Tina Peterson. It formed part of the case Lamont's 376 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: team brought a few years ago to sue the Unified 377 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: government for their role in his false conviction. You reading 378 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: it now, Yeah, I'm starting to make some connections that 379 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: are made me very right. Tina's affidavid jumped out at 380 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: us because her story takes us back to the mid 381 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties, right around the time that Gelupski was becoming 382 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:52,280 Speaker 1: a detective. Back then, Tina was working as a victim 383 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: advocate at an emergency refuge in Kansas City. It's now 384 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: called the Dela Gill Joyce H. William Shelter for Survivors 385 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 1: of domestic violence. Hundreds of women came through its doors 386 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 1: looking for an empathetic ear and a safe place to sleep. 387 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: Tina's words are read by an actor. 388 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,119 Speaker 5: I generally worked the overnight shift. That shift tended to 389 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 5: be pretty busy, as women seeking shelter often arrived late 390 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 5: at night. 391 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: Tina saw women walking through the shelter in varying states 392 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 1: of distress. 393 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 5: Then not only showed signs of physical abuse, they also 394 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 5: showed signs of emotional or mental abuse. I listened for 395 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 5: hours to these women, providing counseling and support. One name 396 00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:40,640 Speaker 5: came up repeatedly, Roger Glubski. They would often be crying, shaking, 397 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:45,719 Speaker 5: or showing other intense emotions. During these emotional discussions, they 398 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 5: would describe being sexually harassed, threatened, and coerced by Glubski. 399 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 5: Some described being humiliated when Gallupski dumped them back on 400 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 5: the street, still undressed when he was done with them. 401 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,920 Speaker 2: Heart Wren right on point with the way I've seen 402 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 2: some of these victims display. Their insecurity is about this guy. 403 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 2: Their fears about it. I mean the shaking, the quiverness 404 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:20,000 Speaker 2: in their voice, and how traumatized these women are because 405 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 2: a lot of people can't I don't know if they 406 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 2: don't want to deal with it in her head about 407 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 2: the trauma that these women are faced. But it's horrific. 408 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: It really is a real life horror story. We knew 409 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: about the abuse, we'd heard the stories from the cemeteries, 410 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: So it wasn't what Tina saw at those shelters that 411 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: jumped out of us. It was what she did. Next. 412 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,480 Speaker 5: I called the police department so I could make a 413 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 5: complain about Roger Glubski and told the person who answered 414 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 5: that I worked at the battered women's shelter. The person 415 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 5: on the phone said that someone at the department would 416 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 5: get back with me, and as requested, I left my 417 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 5: name and phone number. I waited a week and called 418 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 5: the police department the second time. No one from the 419 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 5: department ever called me back. 420 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 2: This is horrific. This is horrible. 421 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I feel for Tina because I know you 422 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: don't work at a batter women's shelter for no reason. 423 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: That's not just a job that you just pick up 424 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 1: on the side. You take on that job because you 425 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: have a heart for people, or either you've been down 426 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: that bread down that road. She was connected to these women, 427 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: so I could only imagine Tina's frustration. They're coming to 428 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: this shelter for help. This woman is there to help, 429 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: and she's trying to help by going to the entity 430 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: that is they're doing the harm. But if so many 431 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 1: people are given this same name over and over, over 432 00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: and over again, this person had no other choice but 433 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: to go to the police department because that is where 434 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: you go when there's a crime. But where do you 435 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: go when the police is the person committing the crime? 436 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: Where do you go? We tried to reach out to 437 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: Tina directly. We haven't been able to track her down. 438 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: But if the events in Tina's affidavit are accurate and 439 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: the other people's accounts we've read are true, the KSEYKPD 440 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: either overlooked or ignored several complaints. Had they acted sooner, 441 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: pulled Glupski from his duties and conducted a formal investigation, 442 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,000 Speaker 1: it's possible that they could have protected the women of 443 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 1: Kansas City from decades worth of abuse. If Gulupski had 444 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 1: been stopped in the mid eighties, he would have never 445 00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: been able to lure Nico's sister Stacy into his police 446 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 1: car and assault her. He wouldn't have been able to 447 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: arrest LaMotte McIntyre or intimidate Nico into giving false testimony. 448 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: And Ronda and Monique, Nico's friends who were murdered shortly 449 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: after she saw them get into Glupski's car. Both of 450 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: their lives ended in nineteen ninety eight. It was a 451 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,840 Speaker 1: devastating realization. So many people's lives would have turned out 452 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: differently if Gallupski had been stopped sooner. But there's something else. 453 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 1: We were about to read the next part of Tina 454 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:40,800 Speaker 1: Zaffa David and discover even more about Glupski, that he 455 00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: may have been involved with something even darker than we 456 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: could have possibly imagined. 457 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,560 Speaker 2: It just wouldn't have never cross my mind in that manner. 458 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,280 Speaker 1: I can't believe that. 459 00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 2: That magnitude that is wow, that much explosive. They cover 460 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 2: up everything, They won't tell you nothing. It angered me 461 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 2: once I realized that I could have been one of them. 462 00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 1: That's coming up on the final episode of The Girlfriends Untouchable. 463 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: The Girlfriend's Untouchable is produced by novel for iHeart podcasts. 464 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: For more from Novel, visit novel dot Audio. The show 465 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 1: is narrated by me Nicki Richardson. It was written and 466 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: produced by Rufaro Masarua. The editor is Joe Wheeler. Our 467 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: assistant producer is Mohammed Ahmed. The researcher is Zaiyana Yusef. 468 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:54,680 Speaker 1: Production management from Shuri Houston and Joe Savage. 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