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Speaker 1: Welcome to tonight's classic episode Fellow Conspiracy Realists. The hard

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Speaker 1: truth of ufology is this, not all sightings are created equal.

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Speaker 1: Some appear to be a one off happenstance with maybe

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Speaker 1: a single stranger, no recording, it's just an experience they

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, and today we're talking about one specific sighting,

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Speaker 2: a mass sighting. It was experienced by a bunch of

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Speaker 2: and interviewed with the person we're speaking with today. So

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Speaker 2: this is like as close to first hand accounts as

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Speaker 3: So let's hop on the space train with Randall Nickerson

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Speaker 3: where we talk about his investigations into these kinds of

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Speaker 3: sightings and a documentary that he participated in on the

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Speaker 3: Aerial School UFO Encounter.

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Speaker 1: From to Psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled

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Speaker 1: with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn

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Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt nol

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Speaker 2: Is on Adventures.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined with our super

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Speaker 1: producer Paul Decant. Most importantly, you are you and you

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Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want

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Speaker 1: you to know. Matt. At the top of the show, Okay,

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Speaker 1: here we are, I have to say thank you for

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Speaker 1: bringing this episode to Fruition because you and I have

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Speaker 1: talked in previous previous shows about UFO sightings.

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Speaker 2: Yeah right, oh yeah, one of the most fascinating things

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Speaker 1: And over the years we've covered various aspects of it,

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Speaker 1: and we've often found We've often found people who will

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Speaker 1: attempt to explain a genre of sighting, like a type

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Speaker 1: But what's fascinating and startling to both of us, I believe,

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Speaker 1: many huge sightings that have been sort of lost to history.

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Speaker 1: You may have you may be listening now, and you

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Speaker 1: may think I vaguely recall hearing something about something like

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Speaker 1: the actual nuts and bolts, the specifics that timelines. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. And the most fascinating genre within the UFO

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Speaker 2: something like what we're going to discuss today. And we

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Speaker 2: currently directing and producing an entire film, a documentary about

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Speaker 2: one particular UFO siding and encounter. His name is Randall Nickerson.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, sir.

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Speaker 4: Thanks guys, I appreciate being here.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for being on the show with us.

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Speaker 2: Come on currently.

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Speaker 1: Currently, as as we speak, there are questions that remain

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Speaker 1: about a specific mass sighting of an unidentified flying object

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Speaker 1: the Aerial School. Could you tell us and the listeners

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Speaker 4: It was an event that took place in nineteen ninety

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Speaker 4: four at the Aerial School in a rural area of

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Speaker 2: So these are students that were outside and they experienced something.

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Speaker 2: How old are these kids that saw this thing? And

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Speaker 1: So that's a fascinating point then, because it sounds like

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Speaker 2: What did with that initial reporting? You know a lot

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Speaker 2: Even in nineteen ninety four, perhaps especially in nineteen ninety four.

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Speaker 4: It was treated similarly that it wasn't taken seriously in

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Speaker 4: He was trying to you know, when he was interviewing

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And one thing that's fascinating about the timeline here

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Speaker 1: In fact, Harvard psychiatrist doctor John Mack became involved.

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Speaker 4: Correct, that's true, Yes, he came. He was called by

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Speaker 4: seeing seeing what it's legitimacy was, if it was legitimate,

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Speaker 4: But there's a lot that we we don't know. There's

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Speaker 2: the more derisive comments I've seen about this particular event

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Speaker 2: are well spoken kids. You got your hands on the documentary,

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Speaker 2: sitting here watching a trailer for the aerial phenomena, But

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Speaker 2: as long as you have been. What are these kids like?

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Speaker 4: They're highly intelligent, all of them in the school itself

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Speaker 4: as adults, it's been Yeah, it's been a really beautiful

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Speaker 4: have a story that I'm interested in and seeing I

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Speaker 4: guess part of it. Uh, you know, people say, well,

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Speaker 2: What it brought to my mind is a clip from

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Speaker 4: I think what really stood out well. Number one was

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Speaker 1: this will seem unusual to many people, this was during

438
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: the day, during a school day, I believe was their

439
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 1: mid morning break at ten am or something.

440
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you for reminding me that. That's what also

441
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 4: makes it unique.

442
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, very good.

443
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, it happened at the ten thirty break in the

444
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 4: morning on a Friday. And yeah, that that also is unique.

445
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: So I want to bring something up here, and it's

446
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: a it's a point of contention that I've seen online.

447
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: I just want to talk about it. Let's let's let's

448
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: just go there, Okay. I have heard some people suggest

449
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: that perhaps this was an elaborate prank by some of

450
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: the teachers because of a few things. Most of the

451
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: teachers were in a meeting at the time, or at

452
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: least they I think they were having a teachers meeting

453
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 2: of some sort. There was one teacher perhaps outside that

454
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: was manning basically a snack stand kind of thing.

455
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 4: That's correct.

456
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it's been positive before that perhaps the

457
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: teachers were having fun with the kids and trying to

458
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 2: do something in that way, and it's been done before,

459
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: It's been done afterwards where teachers have faked an invasion

460
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: for the kids and then they reveal it later. Really,

461
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: this is just in your mind. Is there any possibility

462
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 2: that something to that effect occurred that day.

463
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 4: Of Well, I've seen those reports of teachers at doing

464
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 4: this sort of fake UFO thing that's that started happening

465
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 4: I think into in the two thousand and eight, two

466
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 4: thousand and nine sort of, But the kids were aware

467
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 4: of it. I mean, it wasn't something they you know,

468
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 4: the children, the teachers pranked them on. But I don't

469
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 4: find any I mean I've interview I've talked to all

470
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 4: the teachers and they were shocked themselves. They didn't know

471
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 4: how to deal with it. So there's no validity to

472
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 4: that that. This is none. I mean, I've interviewed all

473
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 4: the teachers. I have all the teachers interviewed in at

474
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 4: the time. There's just no way I can even see

475
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,640
Speaker 4: that as a possibility. It's just not there because it

476
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 4: because mainly because the teachers were shocked. I mean they

477
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 4: were they didn't believe the kids. They you know, not

478
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 4: all of them, but many of the teachers initially did

479
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,240
Speaker 4: not believe that the kids until the kid's parents started

480
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 4: showing up and saying, look, something happened to my kids.

481
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 4: What happened? You know? And then then it got uh

482
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 4: you know, taken more seriously by the staff, and they

483
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 4: head master and and they they were they became really

484
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 4: convinced that something had occurred. You know, It's it's tough subject.

485
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 4: I mean, they were all of a sudden, they're all

486
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 4: the teachers were were put in a position of, Okay,

487
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 4: these children are reporting this, but we don't believe this,

488
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 4: and you know, it goes to so I don't I

489
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 4: don't find any validity to that argument at all. I've

490
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,919
Speaker 4: found nothing there. And I've looked at that, I've looked

491
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 4: at hoaxes, you know, and you have to I got

492
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,160
Speaker 4: to say, I don't think enough people do this us

493
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:05,720
Speaker 4: in the UFO field or the unidentified aero phenomena field. Uh,

494
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 4: you know, you got to look at everything. You know,

495
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 4: you can't take a report as just the way it is,

496
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 4: you know, like I looked at everything, like what was

497
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 4: going on with the teachers, what was going on in

498
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 4: the country with their military, with you know, what was

499
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 4: going on in space at the time you got and

500
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 4: what were what where was the sun rising that day?

501
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 4: What was the you know at night, what was the

502
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 4: where was venus? I mean, you all these questions you

503
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 4: need to ask to do a thorough to get a

504
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 4: thorough take on something too, And I think it's really important.

505
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 4: I don't think enough people do that. And the other thing,

506
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 4: you know, like with the teachers, this these children coming

507
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 4: to the teachers. Uh, the teachers had a certain worldview

508
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 4: and this is a lot of things John mac talked

509
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 4: about and others like that. And this is what really

510
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 4: this whole phenomena is about, really is that, you know,

511
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 4: is our worldview. You know that these things aren't supposed

512
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 4: to exist, so we just they're not they they're not real,

513
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 4: they're not they don't exist. So the most of the

514
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 4: teachers were in that worldview, and they were approached by

515
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 4: the children and being challenged in a in a big

516
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 4: way from them by saying, no, this is what we saw.

517
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 4: But the worldview, like for all of us is you know,

518
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 4: we most of us have this worldview that that you know,

519
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 4: there's nothing more than intelligent than us, and we like

520
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 4: to keep that worldview because it makes us feel good,

521
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 4: makes us continue to want to do things. Uh, But

522
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 4: there's different world views, like in Africa, people in the

523
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 4: native populations, that's that's not they don't have the same

524
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 4: world view. They are open to understanding that yeah, we're

525
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 4: we're the you know, dominant species here, or we think

526
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 4: we are, and but there are other other species out

527
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 4: in this vast ocean that we look at at night

528
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 4: love stars. So I just think that the world, our

529
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 4: world views is what's being challenged with this whole phenomena,

530
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 4: Like it's something we really don't want to look at

531
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 4: because it challenges our our ego really well.

532
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 2: You know you This just brings up so much that

533
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: I've been reading recently because of this interview about doctor

534
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: John E.

535
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 3: Mack.

536
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 2: And honestly, I didn't know a whole lot about this gentleman.

537
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,840
Speaker 2: And we've discussed before that he he as a PhD

538
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 2: from the Harvard School of Medicine and he's a psychologist psychoanalyst.

539
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 2: He is also a self described parapsychologist and has done

540
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: some fascinating work in that field. And for someone with

541
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: such accolades and such an education and just a brilliant

542
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 2: person to immerse himself in that field that is so

543
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: socially I would say, maligned, maybe socially unaccepted, controversial, controversial

544
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 2: at least yes, correct. For to have someone like this

545
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 2: look into this whole phenomena, this one event, and then

546
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: to have that group seek you out to produce a

547
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: documentary on this subject, it's just it lends such credibility

548
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 2: to it. I don't know. I think that's one of

549
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 2: the main reasons why I personally am so excited about

550
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 2: this documentary, not just the resources, but because there is

551
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 2: this this man who then kind of became an institution.

552
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: Can you tell us a little bit about how like

553
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: you you mentioned something about repercussions with John eMac for

554
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 2: his beliefs and kind of what we've been talking about here,

555
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 2: What happened? What were those repercussions?

556
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 4: I mean, John Mack was he was brilliant and I

557
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:25,919
Speaker 4: think you know you had won the Pulitzer Prize and

558
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 4: I believe it was nineteen seventy seven. He was brilliant

559
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 4: as a psychiatrist, psychoanalyst, and I think what happened, this

560
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 4: is my take that he got bored with, you know,

561
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 4: the standard model of looking at a person in a

562
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 4: therapeutic environment and got very interested in anomalous experiences that

563
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 4: people didn't, you know, extraordinary experiences that were difficult to believe.

564
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 4: And I think he was looking at different models of

565
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 4: psychotherapy to explore the unconscious, the unconscious and he then

566
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 4: he had dealt with people who had near death experiences

567
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:28,000
Speaker 4: and witnesses to UFOs or aliens, and and being such

568
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 4: a high level person and he started the Cambridge Hospital.

569
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 4: He was, you know, uh a psychiatrist on at the

570
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 4: Harvard Medical School, a professor, and he started to get

571
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 4: flack from the university for his looking into these these

572
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 4: cases and the repercussions. They really went after him. They

573
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 4: were threatening to take away his tenure and basically fire him,

574
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,880
Speaker 4: which is never in the history of Harvard University been done.

575
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 4: There's never been a person threatened like that the whole

576
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 4: entire history of Harvard, and that goes back to the

577
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 4: late sixteen hundreds. So it was really that was very unique.

578
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 4: And they you know, it was a whole not a trial,

579
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 4: but essentially one behind closed doors, and you know, their

580
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 4: concern was that he was you know, that these patients

581
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 4: actually had psychological illnesses yet they displayed none of them.

582
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 4: But that was their angle, that the concern for patients,

583
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 4: and which is understandably I could totally understand their angle.

584
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 4: But honestly, my take on it now as I felt

585
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 4: like they were really trying to tarnish his reputation.

586
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: And intimidate him. Yeah.

587
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, I he he had lot, you

588
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 4: know through this whole Harvard inquisition, which was had many

589
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 4: people involved, including Alan Dershowitz, and you know it's just

590
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 4: it's a cast of of some famous people, and you

591
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 4: know that he had lost his circle of friends at Harvard.

592
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:22,320
Speaker 4: Nobody wanted to be around him, you know, during this time.

593
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 4: And so I think the Harvard it really achieved a

594
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 4: goal in sort of just you know, hurting his credibility.

595
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 4: So it's quite a hero's journey in a way. I

596
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 4: mean it was the man, a man who was had

597
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 4: a conviction that these people are are telling the truth.

598
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 4: You know, different people that are reported, including these children

599
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:55,439
Speaker 4: in Africa, they're telling the truth, and what does that mean?

600
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 4: Asking the question of what does that mean? If this

601
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 4: is the truth and this is not something psychological, what

602
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 4: does that mean for us as a species?

603
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 2: And we're gonna take a quick break. We're just gonna pause.

604
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.

605
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: Regardless of how someone encounters this story or what they

606
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: personally believe, right, the crux of the issue is the following.

607
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: There are things that have yet to be explained about

608
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 1: this event, which was not that long ago. I mean,

609
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: maybe we're dating ourselves a little bit here, but nineteen

610
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: ninety four is that you know, it's it's the past,

611
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 1: but it's relatively recent, and there are still things that

612
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 1: we can find out through rigorous investigation, through on the

613
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: ground interviews, through the work that you are doing. But

614
00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: all of it leads us to again the question you

615
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: just positive, which is what does this mean? What does

616
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:11,000
Speaker 1: this mean for the future? What will humanity overall discover

617
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: from this event? And you know, we haven't even we

618
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: haven't touched on the the other events across the world

619
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: that you have mentioned that you alluded to that have

620
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 1: some of the same threads running through them, right, So

621
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: this is a question that we at least I don't

622
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: know if you've got something up your sleeve, mat but

623
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: This is a question that we don't have the answer to, Yetta,

624
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:38,839
Speaker 1: at least us.

625
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:41,359
Speaker 2: There's some stuff in here, but I don't think it's

626
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 2: answers to that question though.

627
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: Ah Well, what we would like to do is, I

628
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: guess our next question for the show here then, is

629
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: to ask if you could tell us a little more

630
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: about the state of the documentary as it stands now,

631
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: but what our listeners can do to help and where

632
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: they can learn more about the piece.

633
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 4: Sure, can I say one thing first?

634
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely?

635
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:09,760
Speaker 1: Yes.

636
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 4: So during this filming and interviewing, I mean, I've traveled

637
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 4: to Africa three times and all over Europe finding all

638
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,800
Speaker 4: these witnesses in the United States, Canada, you know, I've

639
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 4: been approached by several people, you know, dozens and dozens

640
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 4: of people that have heard I'm doing a movie about

641
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 4: UFOs and they come and they share their experience with me,

642
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 4: and you know not and and these are people this

643
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,319
Speaker 4: is what always strikes me. There are people that have

644
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 4: I mean, they come to me and they say, don't

645
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 4: tell anybody, because I haven't told anybody, or they've only

646
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 4: told their immediate family, and they share these stories that

647
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:56,280
Speaker 4: nobody knows about. They're just they keep it to themselves.

648
00:45:56,320 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 4: They're afraid of ridicule, They're afraid of you know, Uh,

649
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 4: they're afraid of a lot of things to uh to

650
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 4: be to for it somehow to go public, afraid of

651
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 4: losing their friends, all kinds of fears. Yet their stories

652
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 4: are you know, they sound and their feelings express something

653
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 4: really happened. I just find that heartbreaking in a way

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Speaker 4: that we there's this whole culture out there that is

655
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Speaker 4: not being heard, that you don't see at UFO conferences,

656
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Speaker 4: that you don't see anywhere. They've just had these experiences

657
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Speaker 4: and they're keeping it to themselves and that and if

658
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Speaker 4: if it's just considering the number that I've run into

659
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Speaker 4: and just doing the math of how many people there

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Speaker 4: has to be like that, uh, is just it's a

661
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Speaker 4: lot of It's a lot of people that could be

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Speaker 4: helping us solve this mystery, and there just doesn't seem

663
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 4: to be enough of a drive from us or our

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00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 4: media or our culture to really want to find out

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Speaker 4: what's going on here. Because I think it's pretty important

666
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Speaker 4: that we that we do try to understand it and

667
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Speaker 4: try to find out more Because as far as I

668
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 4: want to personally, I want to know what's going on.

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00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 4: I want to know what situation humanity's in, like, I

670
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 4: want to know that if there's something out there, I

671
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 4: really want to know about it. I want to know

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Speaker 4: how it can impact me. I want to know what

673
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Speaker 4: I should be afraid of or a need to be

674
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Speaker 4: afraid of. I don't know, I just I or not,

675
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 4: but I would like as much information as possible. I

676
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,360
Speaker 4: know about all the wildlife that live in the forest

677
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Speaker 4: that I'm in, and I'm very curious, you know, to

678
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 4: find out a lot about them. If there's something else

679
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 4: out there, it's it's another form of wildlife just happens

680
00:47:58,320 --> 00:47:59,839
Speaker 4: to be smarter than us. I want to know it's

681
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 4: my much as possible, particularly because it's smarter than me.

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Speaker 4: So I don't know, I just it just strikes me

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Speaker 4: that I, you know, I'll be glad when the day comes,

684
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Speaker 4: and it will come when universities have programs that are

685
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Speaker 4: really doing intense research about this, you know, and eliminating

686
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Speaker 4: the Charlatans and whatever the BS stories that are out

687
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 4: there and getting to the real stories and piecing this

688
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 4: puzzle together because we need to know.

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Speaker 2: Agreed, Okay, Randall, So tell us tell us how we

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00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 2: can learn more about the Aerial Phenomenon documentary. Where can

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Speaker 2: we learn about it? Where can we watch a trailer

692
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Speaker 2: for it? When do you think it's coming out? Just

693
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Speaker 2: tell us everything.

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Speaker 4: Okay, So the film we're at a rough cut right now,

695
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 4: working toward a final. It's it's fantastic. I mean, I

696
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 4: can't say enough, and it's my I wouldn't usually be that.

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00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 4: I'm just really excited because it took It's taken a

698
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 4: long time, but I've done it right. I've gotten some

699
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 4: of the best people to work on it, and I've got

700
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Speaker 4: an editor that worked with Michael Moore, did Fahrenheit nine

701
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 4: to eleven, did Siico, and has done other brilliant films.

702
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Speaker 4: So I've gotten really great people to work on it,

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Speaker 4: and we're working toward a final. You can check it

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Speaker 4: out at Aerial Phenomenon dot com. We have a trailer there,

705
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Speaker 4: and we have a trailer where Dan Aykroyd plugs the

706
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,920
Speaker 4: film and he's very aware of this case and he

707
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,239
Speaker 4: was just wonderful supporting the just trying to get this

708
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 4: the word about this film out there. But you can

709
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,800
Speaker 4: see quite quite a bit of information on the site.

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Speaker 4: We're still taking donations because it's been you know, it's

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00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 4: been a project from the heart kind of thing, and

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00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 4: it's been up and down. You know. We get funding

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Speaker 4: and then the funding stops, and then I go back

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Speaker 4: to work to pay for more filmmaking, more editing. It's

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00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,839
Speaker 4: it's been hard to uh, you know, when you don't

716
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Speaker 4: have the funding right there and you have to play

717
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 4: all these roles to uh to keep it moving, and

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Speaker 4: sometimes the production stops and then get we move ahead again,

719
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Speaker 4: and then it stops again. Because anyway, it's been a

720
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Speaker 4: challenge for sure. But so yeah, we're looking at for

721
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Speaker 4: being at a final within three months. So it's coming.

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Speaker 4: It's coming soon. And I think the reaction because the

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Speaker 4: other thing, this is not really a film about UFOs

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Speaker 4: in a sense. I mean, it is a film about

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Speaker 4: this incident, but it's it's a lot also about what

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Speaker 4: happens to people, you know, what people go through when

727
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Speaker 4: they have reported something like this and and how it

728
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 4: sticks with them, and that's it's kind of a lot

729
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Speaker 4: of different things. But it's not your traditional by any

730
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Speaker 4: sense UFO film at all. It's very mainstream as far

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Speaker 4: as a story, and there's really a lot about the people,

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Speaker 4: you know, not so much about the aliens or the

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Speaker 4: wu woo stuff about UFOs, and I kind of think

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Speaker 4: that's where the conversation needs to go, is in us

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Speaker 4: getting out out sort of out of the wu Woo

736
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Speaker 4: flash like aliens, aliens, alien stage two? Okay, well, you

737
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,600
Speaker 4: know what are we looking at?

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Speaker 1: Here?

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Speaker 4: Is it? What is it? You know, if it's an

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00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 4: alien or some other creature from another planet, it's another

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00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 4: animal basically, you know what I mean. So I think

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Speaker 4: it would be I really would like to work toward

743
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 4: changing the conversation to so we can get to it,

744
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 4: so he can really get to the heart of heart

745
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:01,200
Speaker 4: of this matter issue and learn from it, find out

746
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 4: what it is. And you know, the recent things that

747
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 4: have happened that came out in the New York Times

748
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:11,839
Speaker 4: with the military was absolutely fascinating. I don't know if

749
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Speaker 4: you guys aware of that.

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00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we just did a couple of interviews about that.

751
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:22,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Pentagon Advanced Aviation Threat Identification Program, I believe

752
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 1: with Lewis Selesando. Yeah, that was a that was a

753
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: massive surprise to I think everybody who even who even

754
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 1: casually follows this sort of news.

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00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: What an about face, you know, there's a dude named

756
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Speaker 2: Jeremy Corbell that we talked to you recently about that.

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Speaker 4: Oh I just met him.

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00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, fascinating, great, fascinating guy. Uh well, okay, look, Randall, I,

759
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 2: like many people listening right now, am very excited to

760
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 2: watch the Aerial Phenomenon. I know Ben is too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll go ahead and also post the trailer that

762
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: you can find when you're done with this podcast. You

763
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,800
Speaker 1: can check it out on our Instagram or Facebook and

764
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: our Twitter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll put that out there now. By the way,

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Speaker 2: we are conspiracy stuff at Twitter and Facebook and conspiracy

767
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 2: stuff show on Instagram. If you're out there and you

768
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,959
Speaker 2: want to, you know, discuss this project further and again,

769
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 2: go to aeriel that's a r i e. L phenomenon

770
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Speaker 2: dot com.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and there you can find more information about the documentary.

772
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: You can watch the trailer, you can see some of

773
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:36,600
Speaker 1: the news. You can also contact the project directly with questions.

774
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: And you know, one thing that one thing that I

775
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: think everyone listening should absolutely take away from this episode

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Speaker 1: is a point that you brought up, Randle, that there

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Speaker 1: are so many people that you have met who feel

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00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 1: that they have experienced something that would that they are

779
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: unable to communicate with the world because of fear of

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00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: social repercussions, right or social stigma. With that, and the

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Speaker 1: most one of the most important things to remember here

782
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,439
Speaker 1: is that if you were listening and you feel that

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00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 1: some sort of event has happened to you, if you

784
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:23,319
Speaker 1: feel that you do not have a voice regarding this,

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00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 1: or that you do not have the ability to share it,

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Speaker 1: the good news is we exist. Well, the good news

787
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Speaker 1: is that you are. You know that you are not

788
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Speaker 1: existing in isolation. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions,

789
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 1: of people around the globe who have experienced something that

790
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: they feel they may not be able to explain, and

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00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: it is very important to remember that no person exists

792
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: in isolation. And depending on depending on what people may

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00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,799
Speaker 1: ultimately find out about the aerial finace coming on and

794
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: other sightings of this kind, perhaps our species also is

795
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Speaker 1: not an island and does not exist in isolation. I'm

796
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: waxing a little poetic. I apologize, I apologize.

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Speaker 4: I'm glad you said that though. I think that's that's

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Speaker 4: really important that people don't feel alone, you know, m

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Speaker 4: because it's what the people I've met, it's it's it's

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Speaker 4: hard that's what makes it hard, you know. They it

801
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 4: just sits in themselves alone, and it's yeah, all kinds

802
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 4: of things can happen from that place.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So thank you so much Randall for joining

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Speaker 2: us today for this and thank you for all the

805
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Speaker 2: work you're doing on you know, this project. We're again,

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Speaker 2: we're very excited to see it and we can't wait

807
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Speaker 2: to see how it turns out. And you know, if

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00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 2: you want to descend us, maybe a screener or something,

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Speaker 2: I'm saying, Ben, Ben and I are here and you know.

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Speaker 1: You're doing the heart well in all in all seriousness, yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for your time, both on our

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00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,200
Speaker 1: behalf and on behalf of our fellow listeners out there

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Speaker 1: in the audience. And if you are listening and thinking

814
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: I have a story to communicate, I would like to

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00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,360
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